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- Longtime chief sportswriter with BBC Scotland, Tom English, joins Murray and Gav to discuss the curious dynamic between Ireland and Scotland.
The lads look ahead to what essentially amounts to a last-16 game between the two countries on Saturday night.
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I remember when England turned up and Scotland and Wales didn't, mostly a Scottish led decision
They did you a favour
Well they caused the whole mess in the 1st place. Least they could have done
@@jamesm9995 Not really. We beat England and France away. They knew they were going to lose and give us the grand slam. France played another match in Lansdowne Road and we beat them again
If Ireland won the world Cup bid ...where would all the fans stay...in crazy over priced hotels...overpriced air b and b's around the country..or refugee tents.
Ah we love the Scots, which doesn't mean we're not going to smash them in rugby as usual.
Not chance Ireland will lose and take the early plane ✈️ back to Dublin😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
When I was a lad, we never seemed to beat Scotland. Top defence, Hastings kicking every penalty... was dour and depressing, as is the Scittish temperament, but we just got on with it, and had the craic with the miseries.
Tom’s spot on.
The squad/mgmt aren’t gonna say anything other than “we believe in ourselves and if we get a complete performance we can win”. No matter who we playing. The problem for us is we rarely ever get that complete performance 😂
Also right in that we are a bit, for want of a better word, soft. We struggle most against SA and Ireland and those 2 teams are more physical and streetwise around the breakdown than others.
Said it for last couple years that we play some nice stuff but up front we lack that bit of dog and mental toughness.
Massive respect for the Irish team but this false narrative of Scottish arrogance winds us up because we know it’s not true, and in turn makes us snap back (on social media). I wish we believed in ourselves more and showed some real grit when it matters - we’ve done so against most other teams and laid to rest a few hoodoo’s and I think we’ll lay the Irish one to rest eventually, but not this Saturday.
It's funny because the narrative around ireland for years was that we were too soft especially the forwards and you know what? It was bang on accurate. Scotland are soft these days in the forwards, they don't have that dog edge. Gray, Gilchrist, Watson, Fagerson and Richie are fine rugby players but they are a bit naive. The softness in rugby, isn't cowardice or fear, its lack of guile, edge and cynicism.
@@TH-camStandardLicense 100%
Irish rugby will be in for shock. Scotland to win by 8 or more come on Scotland 🏴
@@TH-camStandardLicense what absolute garbage
@@garyoak-q7m 😂 let's see
Hang on a second. O’Mahony would not do *anything* to win a game. He’s not a dirty player; he’s not going out there to deliberately injure other players. Yes, he has street smarts, as all the best players do. But that’s a very big difference from what Tom English is insinuating here.
I get where he's coming from but I do see what your saying and noticed it a bit myself. Big fan of POM!
Yeah that comment makes no sense. I’ve never heard anyone else describe POM in that manner. He’s a hard player, yes, but you’d swear he is a red card magnet like Scott Barrett. Media making up a narrative again, utter nonsense.
He's led with his shoulder into guys heads who are lying on the ground. And been red carded for it. So what's your definition of going out and trying to injure people? The guy is an utter grub
@@atapene The guy’s been playing professional rugby for 14 years and the best you can do is point to one isolated incident and use that to judge his entire career?
I mean, please. 😂
@@conorfurlongI’ve watched all the glasgow Munster games since 2011 and I definitely understand what Tom English is going on about, there were fights every game. He’s a guy you’d love on ur team but hate to play. He did take stuart Hogg out late one year and injure him.
Tom always on talking about this crap. Scotland did us a dis service by voting against us having the world cup bid, thats it for me
I remember in the 80s, 90s and early 2000s when Scotland would beat Ireland nearly everytime they played.
to be honest you’re wrong about the early 2000s i hate to say in the year 2000 Ireland beat Scotland it was the start of Ireland getting better. after that we beat the Irish in 2001, 2010, 2013, 2017 but the other Six Nations Ireland beat Scotland. this is why Scotland has to beat Ireland what better way to do it at the World Cup.
@@pepeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 2000 was Ireland first win against Scotland for a long time i think someone told me 1988. The point is Scotland kept beating Ireland year round so in the year 2000 Ireland put a stop to it. So why can’t Scotland do it too. i feel this weekend will be Scotland day🏴
@user-fw3le4xf3j My god. You can have a normal conversation when you want to. Keep it up. It's much better this way, Will scotland win at the weekend? Who knows, it should be a great game regardless.
Are we the baddies?
Would love to put up 20 points on Scotland and send them home for the way they shafted us in the voting for the World Cup.
6 years ago. Let it go 😂
@@Gavlar040378 Why would we?,if you guys were shafted by Ireland would ye? It was a spiteful act against your supposedly Celtic brothers, England even voted for us?
Why?, because all the 4 countries would have benefited from it financially, the games would hve been shared in Murray field and The Principality, and you guys and Wales could really do with the cash, no. So not only did you fuck us over you fucked yourself, good luck with that future planning. 🤭
@@Gavlar040378 NEVER
I'm not sure we actually deserved to be hosting the tournament in the first place.
The French stadia and infrastructure looks superior.
Boo hoo. Who would not prefer to go to France?
Every time there's a match between Ireland and Scotland, BEFORE the match, EVERY Irish Pundit (including those based in Scotland) will spend the week warning about how "Scotland are a dangerous team" and how "Ireland will be lucky to come away with a win".
After the match, when Ireland hand the Scots their usual drubbing, the SAME "Talking heads" who were preaching doom and gloom days previously, will come out talking about how "Poor" Scotland ALWAYS are and be critical that Ireland didn't beat them by a larger margin....
I repeat - this is NOT the fans, these are those like Kinsella, English, Hook, O'Sullivan, Quinlan and Thornley (and I could name many, many more PAID PROFESSIONAL Rugby "analysts").
It's NOT the Irish fans disrespecting Scotland (or for that matter Wales and Italy), it's the PUNDITS...
I think voting against Ireland hosting was a dig. Welsh too. However SA fans have made their team the rivalry of everyone. England now in 2nd in that category.
Never minded English rugby people, good people some toffs at twickenham but no worse than our own D4 numptys. Nz will always be the crown jewel
Wasn't just Scotland. Wales shafted us too
what have you done for Wales ?
@@williamwallace6508 You pissed because the best parts in the film Braveheart were filmed in Ireland?
@@williamwallace6508 Took Saint Patrick off their hands, put him to work on the old snake problem. Good worker, that lad.
@benitolonard4441
Ireland are the arse end of the UK and Irish Isles
Ireland has by a large margin nothing to compare in terms of literally anything
1. Mountains
2. Beaches
3. History
4. Warfare
5. Science
6. Economics
Literally nothing we aspire to . Zero
@@dashingeduardosuarez
Ireland have a history of delivery zero
That's your problem..
We are world class leading . Big difference
There is also the flip side to all this. I remember the 1990's when we couldn't catch a break against the Scots. Just when we were making a recovery and were on the up and Scotland mightn't have been so strong, our hopes would rise only to be dashed by Scotland. I think we got one 6 v 6 draw and no end of beatings against them all through that decade. These things are cyclical!
Scotland always feel entitled to beat Ireland.
I do believe scotland like most other tier 1 teams still see is as the ireland of the 90s and 00s who will give it a go but ultimately not up to much
Scotland will beat Ireland and get into next stage i 💯 sure come on Scotland 🏴
@user-fw3le4xf3j nah, scotland are going to get humbled, and will be going home after ireland smash them.
Such nonsense. Cooked up by the media and Irish pundits. Scotland hope to beat Ireland but know that it is unlikely. A bit like Ireland Hope to reach the WC semis ( sometime/anytime) but know it’s unlikely. Or Leinster hope to win the knock out stages but know it’s unlikely. You have to manage expectation with good grace.
Tom is talking mostly crap as usual, sick of this guy been regarded as a "voice of Scottish Rugby." A lot of Scottish Rugby fans have Irish ancestry. I want Scotland to win but nothing but respect for the Irish team. If Scotland do go out, I'll be backing the Irish rest of the tournament.
World Cup 1991 and Finlay Calder taking out Jim Staples still lingers in the memory!
Remember that well.
The whole of the 90's still linger in the memory of supporters of a particular generation. The Finlay Calder incident being the stand out grudge-forming incident in a decade of misery for the Irish.
I remember the Jim Staples incident well.what we could have done with a POM then
Didn't we do something worse to Kieran Bracken? Playing for England wasn't received well. Don't think the poor guy recovered fully!
campeze destroying Ireland is my abiding memor y :-(
I have total respect for this Scottish and because of that I’ve read through quite a few comments here. I just want to say that Ireland did not become No. 1 overnight. They have earned this title probably because of the last 3/4 years of hard work, lots of good coaching, gaining belief in themselves, and gradually improving and holding on to the winning mindset.
I think they thoroughly deserve to be where they are, I’m proud that they are winners ☘💚🇮🇪 Erin-Go-Bragh
The thing I love most about the Andy Farrell setup is that the majority of the talk from the players and coaches is that focus is on the next game, it’s not about doing this this and this to be grand slam champions with a perfect score etc when the competition hasn’t even started it’s, ok here’s our goal but the focus is on beating wales etc. Its the fans job to get carried away and go on about how they’re going to win everything blah blah blah.
Agreed. From my perspective in England the rise of Ireland has coincided - among other things - with getting rid of viewing England as the bete noire, where beating them made a successful season even if other matches were lost. Now each game is prepared for with the utmost focus and respect it deserves, and then they move onto the next one and so on.
The Scots do talk themselves up
I remember two incidents under the Schmidt reign, he felt aggrieved with hotel selection (by SRU) for a 6N game at Murrayfield which was “too far away” and Ireland were late on game day. He was spitting feathers about it and accused the SRU, of what I can’t remember, maybe “poor sportsmanship”. And then there was an incident with Heaslip at RWC 2019 DRAW, where when asked about the pool he quaffed about playing the Scots. There’s probably more, but it’s enough to fuel Scotland for this game. It’s going to be a cracker!
Heaslip is a quaff and quaffs at everything. Just who he his!
=:nms-farmers-journal-03 nnbb b
I think some of it stems from a few post match interviews that Stuart Hogg gave both after games against Ireland and others over a couple of years when they had been well beaten in games that sounded a bit on the delusional side. Of course Scotland have to believe they can win. No point in turning up otherwise.
Hell the Scots were going on about beating Ireland by 8 points and denying Ireland a losing bonus point. I mean there was some very creative mathematics going on in the Scottish Rugby pages, It was laughable really. But we heard the same in the run up to their meet in Murrayfield in the last Six Nations. I mean there's supporting your team but some of the shit they were talking was crazy.
Cmon Scotland . You can do it .
Surly you can't compare Scottish players from any era to Peter O'Mahony
Finlay Calder…
@@Tellemore has this Lad won a series in New Zealand and 2 Grand Slams?
Scotland don't have a 'tamed' berserker like we do in O'Mahony.. Liable for a card.. cost us a grand slam probably by going off against Wales a few years ago too... but still.. mad bastard!
Looking forward to.the game. Should be a belter. I'm an Ireland fan, and have great admiration for how Scotland plays, it's attractive to watch. Hopefully no player is injured and we have no cards.
Scotland aren't lacking a Peter O'Mahony they're lacking out and out class across the pitch if Porter Sheehan Furlong Ryan and Bernie were in blue this weekend they would take it over O'Mahony
arrogant ???? remember once remarking to scottish climbers the beauty of hymalayan peak to be told (but its nae scotland ) a boot in the bagpipes
Scotland will do what Scotland do. They'll have a few good moments but Ireland will win comfortably. Great to see the competition between the home nations which has and always will be razor sharp. Ireland are on a roll at the moment but they'll have their downturn.
As an irish man obviously i want Ireland to win, but if we were not to win the world cup, i would want Scotland to stand up and go all the way.
Tam is the bbc Scotland sports correspondence but never has a good word to say about any Scottish sports!…he should be sacked and sent back to hovel in irland.
Ireland will probably be out in the quarter finals either way
glad we've got tom to stick up for us against the likes of matt williams etc
But ye have no chance 😅😅
I wish a journo would ask Scotland at the presser..'What is your plan for New Zealand?'
Why when Scotland touring new zealand
i have to say lads this is a great little video. it makes such a difference when all the panelists have a proper mic. Fancy graphics arent needed the most important thing is the sound quality is consistent.
so many shows are on these days and the quality is in the dumps. people just dont listen to long form content when the sound quality is poor.
youve got radio shows with regular rugby guests puttin shhiiiite out on live air so well done
❤100% agree
Especially RTE
Grow up eh
Ah Tom give us a break its you lot in the media that have pumped this narrative its the mind set its Scotland about themselves did you not listen to them before SA match they were saying the szme that they could beat them they talk the talk. Realistically do you think Scotland can beat Ireland by 21 points 😂😂
They don't have to beat us by 21 points.
Well done on using that one full stop!
@@Camcolitohow about 9-0, 3 kicks will do it?
@@patrickfarrell5092 That'd do it! Fat chance though!
@@ciarancosgrave😆😆😆👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
One Irish pundit (Matt Williams) on Virgin sports last week said 'not one Scottish player would make the Irish team'. Another said ' neutralise' Russell and the game's won but
that's not the opinion of most of my Irish work colleagues that I know though no one doubts they're a better team than Scotland.
Williams always pissing off Scotland as the sru sacked him
who from scotland would even get in the matchday 23, Finn russell thats it. They are no where near ireland.
Sorry if you think we scots have a problem with the Irish , that is news to me. Your narrative is all over the place . Are we arrogant, or are we humble .
You're both! Damn arrogant-humble Scots, always talking themselves up and not taking themselves up!!
Some of my most memorable rugby days took place in Edinburgh, either playing local Scottish teams like Corstorfine or staggering to the stadium to watch the Scotland v Ireland game. Win or lose, it was brilliant craic, camaraderie and respect. I am an old man now, and to paraphrase a little, those memories must remain. I wish some of the comments made by some contributors, Irish and Scottish were not undermining the genuine respect we rugby people have had for each other and can have again.
C’mon Scotland! You can’t do it! 😄
Comen’t Scotland!
😅😅😅😅 fire them up with deep fried Mars bars 😅😅
The tide will turn, it's always in big events.
Tide only turns if there is a reason for it. Have Scotland been investing in their player base, the U21 results don't point to it?
@@timseytiger9280mind you being strong at under 21 rugby doesn't always mean a lot NZ dominated under 21 rugby for ages yet still didn't win the world cup for 24 years
@Trajan2401 That's not quiet the same thing. Having a lottery ticket doesn't mean you win, but not having one guarantees you won't.
TommyDikHead
Sorry. Stuart Hogg and Laidlaw both talked up winning pre-matches. Laidlaw was also a poor loser when well beaten.
Otherwise, sure maybe we over elaborated on what they said.
Of course they are going to? What else would you expect - they're both proud Scots - the point succinctly by Tom. Turn it into what ever you want to, but I would love to see both go through. Failing impossible outcome that Ireland to win the WC.
The Dour Scots are not to be disrespected.