The best Peterson podcasts are the ones i repeatedly rewind to playback the lengthy concepts and thoughts…so much my brain always feels like it went to the gym and deadlifted for 3 hrs. 😅
Dear Jordan, I have been binge watching your content for quite some, mainly due to Mentalhealth struggles and to build strength in this harsh world. You have sincerely touched my heart and soul. Why? Because knowing there are people out there acknowledging, pursuing and living by truth, instead of this diluted facade of a world which is tearing my hope and heart apart, guides me in every aspect towards light and clarity. And helps me maintain that clarity on reality. My wife is expecting, and you inspire me to become a great father every day. I was not raised by truth, rather by standards that flaws are bad and the world is perfect. Which has been eating me alive for the past 5-10 years (I'm 30) You give us hope by truth. Don't forget yourself, and take care kind soul
@@danieltouma5975 It's heavy reading + listening, it's his seminal book and makes his two recent books a cake walk. PS congratulations on the upcoming baby. If I were to order his videos I would say watch his Maps of Meanings videos from 2017, followed by the 1-20 Biblical series as I like to call it (that sh*t changed my life), then 12 Rules for Life followed by Beyond Order (books), then the Maps of Meaning audible, and then all of these videos since they're current and up to date. I listen to these videos and if I'm anywhere near what JP is laying down, I am so far from earning my wisdom and I've done the aforementioned that we're at risk of just regurgitating him. Not saying you or I do this but we all know someone who can just regurgitate
His harvard lectures are fantastic too, jerry seinfeld looking motherflipper before internet just cooked the whole scenario. He was ahead of his time and one of the early one there's a pupper/doggo in his lecture hehe.
Im fan of Jordan too and have found many of his lectures to be invaluable in refining my own views on life ect. Still something about what you said here compels me to give you a word of caution. You have said here that you are struggling with mental health; I would advise keeping that in mind when you choose to binge anything. Make sure you're not falling into blind fandom because Jordan offers so many possible solutions with confidence. He is just one man and like all humans has flaws in his arguments and reasoning.
What a human being. Fighting for and guiding those through the perils of life and ones mind, all while enduring the constant criticism and judgements. You’ve touched my soul and saved my life when I didn’t want it anymore. I hope our paths cross one day but if they don’t know I owe you my life . Thank you
So much Love Love and peace for you and your family Dr. Peterson.. It's always a pleasure to listen to you and your guests. Thank you for your time and dedication, thank you for helping the world think a little deeper 😇🌹🌹💖💜💕🙏 Take care of yourself and your family.
First time ever commenting on any video of Jordan Peterson and that's after first watching him back in 2016. I honestly think this is one of the best dialogues he's ever had. The quality of this highly intellectual discussion and the breadth of the topic areas while being tightly anchored to the central theme is truly remarkable. Karl Friston is in a league of his own. Possibly on a similar level to Iain Mcgilchrist and John Vervaeke. It was such a great surprise to see this pop up on my feed. Keep up the amazing content Jordan and I really hope you have a meeting set up with Michael Levin. That's the one I'm waiting for🤞
We love all the same thinkers. Macgilchrist iis outstanding and such a polymath. Loved Vervaeke on Fridman - very lucid and clear. Levin is an absokute supersrar. How has he not already been awarded a Nobel prize. He's turning biology on its ears.
@@advocate1563 very true. This 'wee corner' of the internet is steadily building traction and is certainly providing one of the best environments for the best ideas to take shape and flourish. Mcgilchrists work is tantamount to a complete paradigm shift in many ways. His most recent book 'The Matter with Things' is truly extraordinary. Agreed, Vervaekes discussion on Lex was awesome. If you haven't already, I highly recommend his recent Oxford lecture and his 50 part series called 'Awakening from the Meaning Crisis'. As for Levin, the first time I was exposed to his work I literally was speechless. The implications are going to permeate the whole through not only science in general, but it opens up some really interesting questions which speak to the Platonic forms and also possibly Rupert Sheldrakes idea of morphic resonance etc. In any case, these conversations are at that edge and are highly stimulating.
@@danielfoliaco3873 thanks for this. His free energy principles is very interesting for sure. It would definitely be good to see if it could be applied to psychotherapy etc like you have said. What's notable is that John Vervake wasn't mentioned once in this discussion and as you have pointed out already, his idea of relevance realisation is central to this whole conversation. At least one thing is for sure, you know you're on the right path if some of the best minds on the planet are each arriving at very similar, if not identical positions independently of the others.
Call out The textbook Felon Trump.. The man with an 80 I.Q and a 4th grade reading level.. All the lonely people are looking for a cult to follow.. Like the idiot trump followers. Watch fox news. Believe Bartron Trump speaks 7 languages. Barron doesn't speak 1 language.He's a Catatonic Mute. A dummy like his Dad. Wake up idiots.
You could percieve the world a lot better by becoming familiar with Petersons work. A good place for anyone who is disillusioned with life to start from.
Disillusionment with life is a necessary but temporary condition/stage to get through…. though some people do get stuck there for most of their lives and never reintegrate their child-like wonder into their mature selves. That’s always a tragedy.
@@b23456 honestly, i think it's worth the time and effort to take the self-authoring courses on his website. idk how a disillusioned with life person would recognize it's value or even it's purpose but that would seem to be the first step. who are you? what do you know? what do you want? it's pretty nice actually having answers to those when asked past the introductory phase. or you know, when trying to find something worth doing.
Yeah it’s a shame he’s associated with all the alt right idiots. he seems to be a force for good and not just a talking head trying to rile everyone up.
Curt, you’ve got great videos too brother. Gotta say I was a bit turned off at how rude Dr.Greer was to you though. You handled it well man. Only thing I would have done differently is not apologize to him for not understanding your questions context. He need to be called out on that BS. He’s got an amazing depth of experiences and information but his EGO is 🤯🤯🤯
We're so lucky to have so much educational content available these days. I got two hours of HG Tudor in and now I get ninety minutes of Dr. Peterson to finish the day!
sometimes is not about brain that you cannot understand, but just because they are not grasping nothing clear in the dialogue, just storming speaking from two authorities, like that you "cannot" say ,or just hypothise that they are not grasping even a point : just mirroring each other through they're authority. and because they're "selling" through visions of other millions of people, nothing deep is keeped in the mind of the two spokesman. intellectual are not made by complicated speaking mixed with authority. intellectual are made by the contents, not the complicated cover, shell.
The obvious mutual respect these two experts display makes for wonderful stuff. It's very interesting to hear from a ' thinking ' expert and a ' scientific ' expert and I will need to listen to this several times to fully understand. I will also need to have a dictionary at hand, many new words ! Thank you to both men.
Jordan. Just wanted to say a big thank you for doing all you are. You're a genuine upstanding person and your humanity, empathy and compassion is a gift to all that listen. You're a inspiration and a true gentleman. Nothing but respect and luv from the UK. ✊👍💛👊
I’m at 9:52 and this is so interesting! To build on JP’s thoughts at this point - it would appear to me that the process flow is more something like this: 1) Desire creates motivation to take action 2) To inform the required action we go to an action-outcome model that predicts likely scenarios based on prior knowledge (ie expectation) and an action is selected based on the shortest distance between desire and predicted outcome 3) The action is passed through a values filter and a risk filter (why most men won’t just pounce on the lady in the example). If the action doesn’t pass the filters we go back to step 2. 4) An action is taken and an outcome is perceived. Now here is where a surprise might occur. However as alluded to by JP, that could be a result of a perception/interpretation issue, or an error in the outcome prediction model (expectation). 5) The model is adjusted as required. Note: Desire/motivation are not necessarily required to generate surprise. The models are also adjusted through passive observation of other cause and effect interactions and also probably through sheer imagination in some cases (although the latter may build models that are more likely to require adjustments). Just my thoughts… Edit: formatting
Most excellent tier of content. Remarkably high standard of academic discussion. Vilifying either of these gentlemen is an atrocity of unfathomable degree, but yet, ironically not completely beyond the comprehension of these men. Because only the ability to comprehend where the dissent comes from allows them to endure it throughout. Endless blessings to you both. Great Service
Thank you for sharing this content! One thing I think that is so common and induces masses of individuals into depressive states are the degrees to which their own experiences of the world were subverted by the antagonism and false narrative hierarchy that they are/were subjugated to underneath their parents, in tandem with all forms of emotional and mental imposition of imputed forms of self-hatred and self-contempt that are received in their formative years from any and all individuals who are consumed by an unfettered narcissism and hatred for them. It is these children who have had their own personality and selfhood subsumed by the need to create a personality/mask that replaces their identity as the archetypal scapegoat for their parents and/or society's machinations in order to deplete their adversaries psychic energy and enable a semi-transient state of 'peace' that should have otherwise been there. I am also convinced that this is where addictions to drugs, food, sex, and other manifold items really soars for these individuals, as these individuals as they mature and go through life continue to employ a depersonalized persona to seek out peace amongst others of a more marked self-interested disposition, and in doing so are then tasked with facing the void of existence without any genuine empathy or compassion from any other individual in their life as their marked awareness of genuine empathy and compassion is inherently more capable of sifting through expressions of compassion and empathy and seeing them as merely just expressions and not genuine forms of compassion that reach past the veil of their own projected identity that the outside world sees. This is then further compounded in a society that continues to celebrate the crucifixion of individuals upon their shortcomings in meeting varying forms of societal expectations and have these shortcomings further imputed to them due to the ways in which they have failed to be responsible for their own selves, when in reality this is something that they have clearly been deprived of in many instances due to the inherent nature of their brains structure as it was ingrained into them within their upbringing. This isn't to suggest that this is something that is inherently static nor am I suggesting that we should enable individuals in dysfunctional behavior, but I am saying that the most potent way that society will be enabled to rise from the dredges is through the manifestation of genuine forms of empathy and compassion that are void of pity for them, and that genuinely treats them as individuals - something that I think is the key to why so many have taken an interest to your videos Dr. Peterson. Too many machiavellians in society continue to use such individuals to their hearts content, often times in the guise of morality or of respectability, without any interest in which ways the hierarchies found within the strictures of societal expectations have contributed to these individuals being buried in these terrible mountains of complexes and states of dysregulation without the opportunity to regulate themselves and to rightly order their own emotions and well-being seeing as society commonly foists upon such individuals the narrative that peace is to be pursued at all costs, even to one's own sense of self. This is why identity crises are the primary underpinning of the masses in our day as they are literally the manifestations of the millions of masks that so many in their childhood were forced to forge in order to subsume their identity in a way which would enable them to maintain the peace in their own household. I am also convinced that this is why the complexes of victimhood status are the pre-eminent underpinnings of the ideological territory that continues to disrupt the Apollonian realms of society that continue to expect all persons in their purview to genuinely value and appreciate all 'normal' societal expectations.
So true. His work should be far better known outside the purview of the world of neuroscience. Just imagine a 4-way discussion between Karl Friston, Jordan Peterson, John Vervaeke, and Michael Levin 🤯
I thought you were going to comment something detailed about the guy lol I guess I'll have to watch the rest to figure out what a lengend he really is!
@@Editor_Catnap_Alt I don't think I'm up for the task of trying to convey the importance of Karl Fristons work and ideas in a condensed manner suitable for a TH-cam comment while still being intelligible in any manner. Definitely recommend watching his two extremely insightful discussions with Kurt on the TOE channel.
Thank you Dr. Peterson and Dr. Karl Friston for this informative talk. It was difficult for me to understand some of the higher resolution concepts but Dr. Friston’s explanation of the depressed brain was new . It’s a very painful place to be when I cannot update or change prediction errors. Attention to my behaviors and CBT makes a greater sense to me after hearing this talk. Wow! Thank you so much! God bless you both. ❤
A genius is someone who can get something complicated and make it simple to understand not the other way around. Jordan Peterson does this other speakers fall short. Ty Jordan
Not that you will read it. But you have changed my mindset completely. And i am more in peace with myself. Set of to find answers after i knew unexpectedly i would become a father. I was living of minimum wage in my 30m2 student appartment at 26 years old. Fast forward 4 years later, i tripled my salary, bought a house and i am still with the same woman and we just had our second child. I am watching as much as i can from you and i look up more content from your guest speakers that i like. Keep doing what you are doing. It makes a huge difference to many people.
I am of the opinion that Dr Peterson has very few equals, especially with their ability to verbally express their knowledge. The information shared by both doctors was extremely interesting. This is definitely one that I will watch multiple times.
I love the work that you do Prof Peterson. I'm such a big fan, it feels like I know you. And thanks. You changed my life, and I found new meaning in life. Lots of love, from South Africa 😁 👍🏻 ❤️
this has been absolutely amazing! This was not just an exchange of information but a cooperative development of a new model for intelligence and consciosness. It has been an absolute blast to see the interaction of the metaphorically and narratively inclined peterson with the analytical and mathmatical perspective of friston and i believe they both took a lot out of this conversation.
Dear Professor Peterson, I am not sure if you will read this but you have my respect and, as I’m sure you have gathered, the respect of thousands if not millions of people around the world. In a recent video I saw of you, you mentioned the phenomenon that a large percentage of men viewed your videos. I can’t speak for all of the men here but for me, that reason is two fold. 1. I agree with a large majority of the opinions I have seen you speak about and come to similar conclusions. Even if I hadn’t put it to words yet. Hearing you, seeing you and at time feelings the emotions and truth from your words is powerful. Powerful enough to capture the attention of people in trouble. People who don’t know how to ask for help and people who believe in the greater good. 2. I watch you because I think a major turning point in the culture of civilization and how both sex’s view each other AND treat one another will follow the dialogues you have started. Dialogue that most men feel and sympathize with but don’t have your credibility, publicity or even sometimes courage to say. Not only that, but you are well spoken and informed enough to fully realize arguments in defense of those ideals. You are heavily watched as a phenomenon most people don’t understand fully. You are in a position of power. REAL power. Not some arbitrary election or inherited form of position. But one that was earned through logic, study, uphill mental battles and physical ones at that with your illnesses. You are a very good representation of the people you wish to serve. One under pressure, one struggling, but one with purpose. That classical underdog story of effort, determination and in this case, hopefully, justice. It’s a work of art and one that has captured the attention of those affected by the very injustices you point out.
When we live our life based on the principle “Thy will be done on Earth as it is on Heaven” the concept of expectation is useless because we are absolutely convinced that every thing that happen is the best could happen for both our material and espiritual development. Thank you Dr Peterson your existence on this Planet is the best could happen for Humanity in these so difficult times.
Jordan your process of thinking and the way you dialogue with people has changed the way I communicate and I appreciate that change immensely. Thank you for your thoughtfulness.
We're so incredibly lucky. I could only imagine how economically privileged we'd have to be gain access to these rare human minds not even 30 years ago
Most of this went over my head, but what I deduced is that it's extremely important to have goals. And from my experience it's definitely true that closer you get to achieving them the better you feel. Every development is a huge confidence boost. Thanks for such an insightful video
You guys make the highest level of discussion digestible for the masses, thank you so much for the free growth 😂 keep it up Jordan been loving the recent talks
Jordan Peterson, we like what you do. Scholars need to teach people like you do as you are a perfect example of great teachers. There are so many false teachers and deceivers, who only keep pursuing destruction of other people.
Jordan if people hate you they are short sighted thanks for repairing my relationship with my father I actually can have a proper conversation and now we are on even ground not fighting
Absolutely brilliant. I had the pleasure of having Prof. Friston as a guest on my channel. He is such a character! My question is, are we as humans really optimizing until convergence? Because that is the formulation of minimizing free energy, where we minimize until convergence!
That last point by Jordan.... “You should conduct yourself in a manner that leaves you open to exposing yourself to information that will allow you to update your narratives.” Pure gold. Thank you, Dr Peterson, for your continued work. Respect to Dr Friston.
Jordan hello thank you for dedicating yourself to this cause, the cause of helping people like me change my perspective on so many things. I really appreciate you, sir. You're one like no other.
As an orthodox Jew, I find Jordan's informed approach as being a bulwark to the radical and ingracious elements within our society as well as creating a solid and meaningful bridge between the Abrahamic faiths
So, Jordan, I've be watching and commenting as you've been developing these ideas for a while now. It's really exciting to see a conversation like this where the ideas are developed to the point that two giants of academia can sit down with the material and find so little error within it.
Man, it must be tough for these people to keep up with Jordan as he espouses three books in 5 minutes in these spectacular rants. He has really been able to connect a lot of dots. He almost doesn't leave anything else for his guests to say 😅 What a mind.
I understood it when Jordan Peterson expressed how people are dying for that reassuring voice, support and someone to motivate them. I am caught up in a situation whereby I need advice and wise words. I registered for a chemical engineering course under the influence of my parents. I also blame myself because I didn't know better and I followed the trends, not really taking the time to discover what would work well for me and my interests, I never took a gap year after high school to think things through and do my research. As such, I failed my first semester but the school allowed me to continue, I don't know how but they did. But now I'm facing problems with my sponsors, mind you I progressed to my second semester, passed it and now I'm doing my second semester, but my government is giving me problems with the sponsorship because they do not understand how I was allowed to progress. And I tried talking to my parents and requested to return home, take a gap year and rethink my choices because I was under a lot of stress and duress and I do not think I'll make it in this degree, but they won't let me. I feel so lost because I'm at the risk of losing my scholarship, my parents won't understand my situation and instead are interested in keeping me in school despite my condition because they bragged about me to a lot of people and cannot afford to be mocked, and I want to change the course and do something I'm compatible with, but I've already wasted my opportunity of sponsorship. I feel stuck and I've lost all hope, and sadly enough I have no one to turn to and talk to about this. I've been searching for sponsorships with no success and so I don't really know what to do anymore. I do have the drive to work, I do have the motivation to do better and change my situation but I lack opportunities, or should I say I don't know where to look. What can I do?
this is like if qualitative research and quantitative research were personified and had a chat. I love this podcast! Ill be re watching this one for a week.
Helped me make some more connections to my own thought processes and ask myself what are my own motives and question how I arrived to that point. Definately empowering. Thank you Mr. Peterson and God Bless.
Great Podcast!!! A close friend just recently exposed me to your TH-cam presence, and the more videos I watch, the more videos I want to watch!!! Thank you for posting! Peace.
I am very interested in JP's investigation into this subject, maybe more than any other but it is a close call. f you haven't seen his conversation with Dr Huberman I would highly suggest it. I'd also like to say what a wonderful individual is Dr Karl Friston. These extremely bright people tend to be so joyful which leads me to think that they are doing something very right. Active Inference is Dr Friston's new book. It's on amazon and other places I imagine. Thanks Dr Friston and of course JP as always, thanks so much.
The topic of misaligned self-perception rings very true with what I've been working on revealing. That being placed in special education and labeled with Aspergers both delayed my ability to properly socialize myself which dreadfully tainted me sense of self. Then to give me a label as to associate a word with who I was which is a trap I find most people falling into when they're experiencing either a changing state of perception or one that's hyper-emotionally influenced. Breaking out of that shell isn't so easy given you're often surrounded by people who've grown comfortable around your flawed sense of self-perception. Breaking out of such a shell means making a few unintended enemies as a result. If it were in my power, I'd demand psychiatrists stop labeling of children completely as the reasons for my diagnosis itself was the result of my chaotic childhood and the treatments worsened something that might've fixed itself naturally. Jordan Peterson simply gives me more ideas in an already chaotic mess that is human psychology and how we come to develop a sense of self. But it's the repression I have to thank for my desire to break through it which was sadly destructive but it didn't kill me. But it kills many who haven't a sliver of the luck I have.
So many people I know can benefit from this discussion....if only they'd internalize it. If not ONLY for the manners displayed and the willingness to listen, ingest, and enjoy each other's opinions for their further elucidation. These two are the epitome of communication....if not also conveyors of pure content. We should teach PERSPECTIVE in school. For instance.....everyone in the world should know what WILL happen when our sun burns out....and it WILL BURN OUT. Few people ever think about this, yet the average person should know this to have any REAL perspective. Another example.... I'm standing on a patch of real estate and calling it a rock...I call it solid...I say I own it. But it's a spot on a tectonic plate moving 1" per year. It used to move 10" a year long ago. It's at a latitude on a globe that is spinning...so add about 610 miles per hour to that 1" a year. Now consider that the planet is going 41+K mph around the sun, and the sun is going about 500,000 mph around the center of the Milky Way....which is going 1,300,000 miles an hour...away from everything else. YOU are balanced in the thinnest of probabilities of life...and most of us never learn this. But the FACTS above ARE true...and if you aren't asking "why am I here?" you aren't curious enough.
Imagine having Jordan Peterson as a personal mentor. Life would never be the same. The things he has to say to all of us is only a fraction of what he could share one on one over time.
Love the conversations... Reminds me of the paper chase back in the 70s t.v. series. Lovely words. Descriptive skills in conversation that captures your immediate attention.
This is why we need to build a society that can help us prevent basic uncertainties we have not chosen to be born within, such as whether or not one will have enough food and care to minimize free energy wheb they're born. And that has to be a collective narrative shared by everyone.
I once read a book, "Microcosmology 101", that resonated with me. Every person you meet makes an impression of authoritativeness that remains at some level of strength and character within you're being. These are the characters that occupy our internal worlds. Parents are the primary actors we internalize as authorities. They live within us as our internalizations of them; they behave semi-autonomously. They are important memory complexes to which we refer relentlessly in the conduct of our lives. In all of our considerations "they" voice their characteristic opinions for our edification. "My pappy told me 'don't accept any wooden nickels'...so why am I thinking of that right now, as a certain stranger approaches?"...because awareness filters the possibilities with a peculiar alacrity in matching "known" to "unknown" with great accuracy...as if guided by the spirit of truth...
Boy, would I like to spend a few hours talking to Dr. Peterson! I am a clinical hypnotherapist, and have been, for over 21 years. During that time, I have employed parts therapy, or ego state therapy, in order to resolve internal conflicts with my clients. (For those not familiar with parts therapy, it is based on the assumption that if you are engaging in some sort of self-sabotaging behavior, then it is because two or more unconscious 'parts' of you are engaged in an internal conflict.) What I recently concluded is that the methodology of parts therapy can be radically enhanced by addressing each part's perception of the 'world' they reside in, rather than solely attempting to mediate between conflicting parts. Put another away, each part within a person operates with perfect logic (even if the part seems self-destructive) according to how it perceives the psychological world in which it lives. Thus, if a part's logic is fine, then it is that internal world that must change. The question then becomes, "How do we change those separate internal worlds so that the logical responses that naturally arise from them lead to healthy client outcomes?"
This is a beautiful episode I always enjoy the use of the wheat from chaff metaphor but I think the refining of gold through mercurial amalgamation is a deeper understanding of the distillation of constants...and not forget aqua regia
after reading three forms of meaning and the managment of complexity, this was surprinsingly easy to follow, especially the hierarchy of micro narratives section, all that is talked about in three forms of meaning and the management of complexity
Something that came to mind while viewing this is the idea that potential is a kind of narrative. Like, one of the core functions of the universe is to have the capacity to become something in the future.
Karl Friston is one of the brightest minds of our time - what a shame that he had so less chance to lay down his awesome and mind changing concepts in this podcast.
Putting youself into Hero's shoes part 43:00ish. . Lots of studies saying that children reading diverse books helps raise them to grow up to be a more mentaly stable adult. The theories say that reading books from multiple POV helps children experience empathy to lots of varying characters and situations, inturn helping them to apply this to the people and current events happening around them. As well as, in my opinion, hopefuly helps them to see the mathimatics of being human, to see the why and how that comes from acting out of love or fear.
Lovely. Neuroscience backing up the creation and acting out of one's own Myth or Heroes Journey. Viewing ones life as a Tale, loaded with information and pathways of possibility and story. This is a great crutch or lean-to for various multidisciplinary studies as to be used for personal enlightenment.
1:02:50 Hierarchal processing: top-down interpretation/prediction becomes more accurate when processing the bottom up perceptions IF the correction/revision occurs.
Congratulatios Dr. Peterson, you have touched my life in such a profound way that I can not even explain here. All of your intellectual videos are so fascinating to watch.....!! I would like to suggest you conversations with all these amazing professors : John Lennox ( Science and Mathematics, Oxford University ) Philip Kotler ( Marketing, Northwestern University ) Michael Porter ( Business Strategy, Harvard University )
Off the top of my head: by accepting the right amount of uncertainty and surprise to allow development, you minimize OVERALL uncertainty and surprise in the long term.
I would like to thank you Dr Peterson for all the work you do in helping to lift the lost of this world out of the mire and also for helping me realize the value of articulation and the journey of understanding the ideas and thoughts that seem to float. Your work has helped me anchor many of the most meaningful things in my life. May God bless your work and give you strength and understanding. I believe my path is directed towards clinical psychology. However knowing where I can go to study this has been a difficult task as the leftist lean and thoughts on this area seems to be very heavy handed Is there a place of learning that you trust to follow this path or some wisdom to negotiate the landscape? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Matthew
Peterson's work has allowed me to view the world as a concoction of Cause and Effect. I think by understanding this more, you can to a degree relatively understand anything. Seeing the world this way has allowed me to be more of a binary decision maker and be more probable with desired outcomes. 🧐
52:37 i wrote my bachelor's thesis about curiosity and you are coming to a really similar if not the same conclusion (about surprise mechanisms) as the information gap theory (which is about the mechanisms of curiosity). it postulates that curiosity is a feeling of deprivation which is caused by the perception of an information gap which one is confident in being equipped to handle and resolve (as opposed to anxiety which is when you don't feel like you could handle the information gap). George Loewenstein came up with the notion that curiosity only stirs up, when the expected reward (the dopamine reward) exceeds the expected effort for resolving the information gap. when i wrote my Thesis i often read that suprising stimuli are one cause for curiosity but when i listen to this here, i am unsure if surprise and curiosity don't refer to the same thing.
24:00 I feel like some people see the meaning before inferring an object, and some see object before inferring meaning. And that the former seems to align with creative problem solving or industriousness? Forgive me if i'm using the terms incorrectly. Hope I got the gist of my observation out there.
Dear Mr. Peterson, Yet another school shooting here in the US , 40 this year . This is heartbreaking and just insane that are kids, all of us have to experience this…. Do you have any thoughts- videos- on the subject? I’ve watched many of you YT talks and I really appreciate all your doing to help other.
The best Peterson podcasts are the ones i repeatedly rewind to playback the lengthy concepts and thoughts…so much my brain always feels like it went to the gym and deadlifted for 3 hrs. 😅
Dear Jordan,
I have been binge watching your content for quite some, mainly due to Mentalhealth struggles and to build strength in this harsh world. You have sincerely touched my heart and soul. Why? Because knowing there are people out there acknowledging, pursuing and living by truth, instead of this diluted facade of a world which is tearing my hope and heart apart, guides me in every aspect towards light and clarity. And helps me maintain that clarity on reality.
My wife is expecting,
and you inspire me to become a great father every day. I was not raised by truth, rather by standards that flaws are bad and the world is perfect. Which has been eating me alive for the past 5-10 years (I'm 30)
You give us hope by truth.
Don't forget yourself, and take care kind soul
I'd recommend his maps of meaning on audible.
@@jakemartens5311 thank you man. I will check that out :)
@@danieltouma5975 It's heavy reading + listening, it's his seminal book and makes his two recent books a cake walk. PS congratulations on the upcoming baby. If I were to order his videos I would say watch his Maps of Meanings videos from 2017, followed by the 1-20 Biblical series as I like to call it (that sh*t changed my life), then 12 Rules for Life followed by Beyond Order (books), then the Maps of Meaning audible, and then all of these videos since they're current and up to date. I listen to these videos and if I'm anywhere near what JP is laying down, I am so far from earning my wisdom and I've done the aforementioned that we're at risk of just regurgitating him. Not saying you or I do this but we all know someone who can just regurgitate
His harvard lectures are fantastic too, jerry seinfeld looking motherflipper before internet just cooked the whole scenario. He was ahead of his time and one of the early one there's a pupper/doggo in his lecture hehe.
Im fan of Jordan too and have found many of his lectures to be invaluable in refining my own views on life ect. Still something about what you said here compels me to give you a word of caution. You have said here that you are struggling with mental health; I would advise keeping that in mind when you choose to binge anything. Make sure you're not falling into blind fandom because Jordan offers so many possible solutions with confidence. He is just one man and like all humans has flaws in his arguments and reasoning.
What a human being. Fighting for and guiding those through the perils of life and ones mind, all while enduring the constant criticism and judgements. You’ve touched my soul and saved my life when I didn’t want it anymore. I hope our paths cross one day but if they don’t know I owe you my life . Thank you
So much Love Love and peace for you and your family Dr. Peterson.. It's always a pleasure to listen to you and your guests. Thank you for your time and dedication, thank you for helping the world think a little deeper 😇🌹🌹💖💜💕🙏 Take care of yourself and your family.
First time ever commenting on any video of Jordan Peterson and that's after first watching him back in 2016. I honestly think this is one of the best dialogues he's ever had. The quality of this highly intellectual discussion and the breadth of the topic areas while being tightly anchored to the central theme is truly remarkable.
Karl Friston is in a league of his own. Possibly on a similar level to Iain Mcgilchrist and John Vervaeke. It was such a great surprise to see this pop up on my feed.
Keep up the amazing content Jordan and I really hope you have a meeting set up with Michael Levin. That's the one I'm waiting for🤞
We love all the same thinkers. Macgilchrist iis outstanding and such a polymath. Loved Vervaeke on Fridman - very lucid and clear. Levin is an absokute supersrar. How has he not already been awarded a Nobel prize. He's turning biology on its ears.
@@advocate1563 very true. This 'wee corner' of the internet is steadily building traction and is certainly providing one of the best environments for the best ideas to take shape and flourish. Mcgilchrists work is tantamount to a complete paradigm shift in many ways. His most recent book 'The Matter with Things' is truly extraordinary.
Agreed, Vervaekes discussion on Lex was awesome. If you haven't already, I highly recommend his recent Oxford lecture and his 50 part series called 'Awakening from the Meaning Crisis'.
As for Levin, the first time I was exposed to his work I literally was speechless. The implications are going to permeate the whole through not only science in general, but it opens up some really interesting questions which speak to the Platonic forms and also possibly Rupert Sheldrakes idea of morphic resonance etc. In any case, these conversations are at that edge and are highly stimulating.
@@danielfoliaco3873 thanks for this. His free energy principles is very interesting for sure. It would definitely be good to see if it could be applied to psychotherapy etc like you have said. What's notable is that John Vervake wasn't mentioned once in this discussion and as you have pointed out already, his idea of relevance realisation is central to this whole conversation. At least one thing is for sure, you know you're on the right path if some of the best minds on the planet are each arriving at very similar, if not identical positions independently of the others.
Call out The textbook Felon Trump.. The man with an 80 I.Q and a 4th grade reading level.. All the lonely people are looking for a cult to follow.. Like the idiot trump followers. Watch fox news. Believe Bartron Trump speaks 7 languages. Barron doesn't speak 1 language.He's a Catatonic Mute. A dummy like his Dad. Wake up idiots.
In that same league... Bernardo Kastrup and Donald Hoffman. Really hope they speak with Peterson.
You could percieve the world a lot better by becoming familiar with Petersons work. A good place for anyone who is disillusioned with life to start from.
I mean, who's out there not disillusioned with life?
Disillusionment with life is a necessary but temporary condition/stage to get through…. though some people do get stuck there for most of their lives and never reintegrate their child-like wonder into their mature selves. That’s always a tragedy.
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@@b23456 honestly, i think it's worth the time and effort to take the self-authoring courses on his website. idk how a disillusioned with life person would recognize it's value or even it's purpose but that would seem to be the first step. who are you? what do you know? what do you want? it's pretty nice actually having answers to those when asked past the introductory phase. or you know, when trying to find something worth doing.
Yeah it’s a shame he’s associated with all the alt right idiots. he seems to be a force for good and not just a talking head trying to rile everyone up.
Always great to see more Karl Friston content. Thanks for this.
Hi Curt! Love your videos. You've got a great thing going there!
Curt, you’ve got great videos too brother. Gotta say I was a bit turned off at how rude Dr.Greer was to you though. You handled it well man. Only thing I would have done differently is not apologize to him for not understanding your questions context. He need to be called out on that BS. He’s got an amazing depth of experiences and information but his EGO is 🤯🤯🤯
@@massivepump3059 Greer is a fraud, I'm not sure what his goal is.
Does the ufo content keep coming huh? 😂
I admire your passion dedication and the education you're providing for the world thank you
Dude why do you have a picture of a lol character I mean shit dude that's so corny and cringe man you must be really awkward if you play that game
@Homelander God Shut your moth all I see a weird picture okay and who are you
@Homelander God Speak English and not Spanish okay why are you even watching this okay like no ones wants to losers here okay leave old man
Pure gold from 2 titans of thought...Thank you for making a world a smarter, less chaotic place!
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Jordan, you are one of the greatest minds in the West. It is an honor being born at this time to witness your mind at work. Thank you.
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This will be Fantastic.
Dr JP you Grace Us With Your Presence .
Thank you from Poland.
what a time to be living in front of these intellectuals thank you Doctors for your life time of service!🙏🏽👏🏿
We're so lucky to have so much educational content available these days. I got two hours of HG Tudor in and now I get ninety minutes of Dr. Peterson to finish the day!
@@jjw9641 He literally saved my life. He's a genius.
Two intellectuals...my brain can not keep up. What a joy just to listen to information that makes sense.
sometimes is not about brain that you cannot understand, but just because they are not grasping nothing clear in the dialogue, just storming speaking from two authorities, like that you "cannot" say ,or just hypothise that they are not grasping even a point : just mirroring each other through they're authority. and because they're "selling" through visions of other millions of people, nothing deep is keeped in the mind of the two spokesman. intellectual are not made by complicated speaking mixed with authority. intellectual are made by the contents, not the complicated cover, shell.
The obvious mutual respect these two experts display makes for wonderful stuff. It's very interesting to hear from a ' thinking ' expert and a ' scientific ' expert and I will need to listen to this several times to fully understand. I will also need to have a dictionary at hand, many new words ! Thank you to both men.
Jordan. Just wanted to say a big thank you for doing all you are. You're a genuine upstanding person and your humanity, empathy and compassion is a gift to all that listen. You're a inspiration and a true gentleman.
Nothing but respect and luv from the UK. ✊👍💛👊
I’m at 9:52 and this is so interesting!
To build on JP’s thoughts at this point - it would appear to me that the process flow is more something like this:
1) Desire creates motivation to take action
2) To inform the required action we go to an action-outcome model that predicts likely scenarios based on prior knowledge (ie expectation) and an action is selected based on the shortest distance between desire and predicted outcome
3) The action is passed through a values filter and a risk filter (why most men won’t just pounce on the lady in the example). If the action doesn’t pass the filters we go back to step 2.
4) An action is taken and an outcome is perceived. Now here is where a surprise might occur. However as alluded to by JP, that could be a result of a perception/interpretation issue, or an error in the outcome prediction model (expectation).
5) The model is adjusted as required.
Note: Desire/motivation are not necessarily required to generate surprise. The models are also adjusted through passive observation of other cause and effect interactions and also probably through sheer imagination in some cases (although the latter may build models that are more likely to require adjustments).
Just my thoughts…
Edit: formatting
Thanks
Most excellent tier of content.
Remarkably high standard of academic discussion. Vilifying either of these gentlemen is an atrocity of unfathomable degree, but yet, ironically not completely beyond the comprehension of these men.
Because only the ability to comprehend where the dissent comes from allows them to endure it throughout.
Endless blessings to you both. Great Service
Well said!
Wtf
Yep...... What he said
@@steven5054 How ugly. A disgusting hateful creature spreading its malice.
Wtf is this comment
Thank you for sharing this content! One thing I think that is so common and induces masses of individuals into depressive states are the degrees to which their own experiences of the world were subverted by the antagonism and false narrative hierarchy that they are/were subjugated to underneath their parents, in tandem with all forms of emotional and mental imposition of imputed forms of self-hatred and self-contempt that are received in their formative years from any and all individuals who are consumed by an unfettered narcissism and hatred for them. It is these children who have had their own personality and selfhood subsumed by the need to create a personality/mask that replaces their identity as the archetypal scapegoat for their parents and/or society's machinations in order to deplete their adversaries psychic energy and enable a semi-transient state of 'peace' that should have otherwise been there. I am also convinced that this is where addictions to drugs, food, sex, and other manifold items really soars for these individuals, as these individuals as they mature and go through life continue to employ a depersonalized persona to seek out peace amongst others of a more marked self-interested disposition, and in doing so are then tasked with facing the void of existence without any genuine empathy or compassion from any other individual in their life as their marked awareness of genuine empathy and compassion is inherently more capable of sifting through expressions of compassion and empathy and seeing them as merely just expressions and not genuine forms of compassion that reach past the veil of their own projected identity that the outside world sees. This is then further compounded in a society that continues to celebrate the crucifixion of individuals upon their shortcomings in meeting varying forms of societal expectations and have these shortcomings further imputed to them due to the ways in which they have failed to be responsible for their own selves, when in reality this is something that they have clearly been deprived of in many instances due to the inherent nature of their brains structure as it was ingrained into them within their upbringing. This isn't to suggest that this is something that is inherently static nor am I suggesting that we should enable individuals in dysfunctional behavior, but I am saying that the most potent way that society will be enabled to rise from the dredges is through the manifestation of genuine forms of empathy and compassion that are void of pity for them, and that genuinely treats them as individuals - something that I think is the key to why so many have taken an interest to your videos Dr. Peterson. Too many machiavellians in society continue to use such individuals to their hearts content, often times in the guise of morality or of respectability, without any interest in which ways the hierarchies found within the strictures of societal expectations have contributed to these individuals being buried in these terrible mountains of complexes and states of dysregulation without the opportunity to regulate themselves and to rightly order their own emotions and well-being seeing as society commonly foists upon such individuals the narrative that peace is to be pursued at all costs, even to one's own sense of self. This is why identity crises are the primary underpinning of the masses in our day as they are literally the manifestations of the millions of masks that so many in their childhood were forced to forge in order to subsume their identity in a way which would enable them to maintain the peace in their own household. I am also convinced that this is why the complexes of victimhood status are the pre-eminent underpinnings of the ideological territory that continues to disrupt the Apollonian realms of society that continue to expect all persons in their purview to genuinely value and appreciate all 'normal' societal expectations.
It’s great to see dr Friston on the show. Truly one of the worlds greatest minds. Well done mr Peterson, another great dialogue ❤
For those who don't know Karl Friston.... this man is a LENGEND. LOVE SEEING DOC PETERSON bringing in quality guests. PLEASE KEEP IT UP..!!! 🙏🙏🙏🙏
So true. His work should be far better known outside the purview of the world of neuroscience. Just imagine a 4-way discussion between Karl Friston, Jordan Peterson, John Vervaeke, and Michael Levin 🤯
I thought you were going to comment something detailed about the guy lol I guess I'll have to watch the rest to figure out what a lengend he really is!
@@Editor_Catnap_Alt I don't think I'm up for the task of trying to convey the importance of Karl Fristons work and ideas in a condensed manner suitable for a TH-cam comment while still being intelligible in any manner. Definitely recommend watching his two extremely insightful discussions with Kurt on the TOE channel.
Thank you Dr. Peterson and Dr. Karl Friston for this informative talk. It was difficult for me to understand some of the higher resolution concepts but Dr. Friston’s explanation of the depressed brain was new . It’s a very painful place to be when I cannot update or change prediction errors. Attention to my behaviors and CBT makes a greater sense to me after hearing this talk. Wow! Thank you so much! God bless you both. ❤
@@KountryWayne... Thank you for answering my comment. I am not sure what you mean about a referral to Charles Lewis ?
Blessings,
Kathy
A genius is someone who can get something complicated and make it simple to understand not the other way around. Jordan Peterson does this other speakers fall short. Ty Jordan
Not that you will read it. But you have changed my mindset completely. And i am more in peace with myself. Set of to find answers after i knew unexpectedly i would become a father. I was living of minimum wage in my 30m2 student appartment at 26 years old. Fast forward 4 years later, i tripled my salary, bought a house and i am still with the same woman and we just had our second child.
I am watching as much as i can from you and i look up more content from your guest speakers that i like. Keep doing what you are doing. It makes a huge difference to many people.
I am of the opinion that Dr Peterson has very few equals, especially with their ability to verbally express their knowledge. The information shared by both doctors was extremely interesting. This is definitely one that I will watch multiple times.
What a fantastically brilliant man Dr Friskton is! I learned so much from you good sir. So soft spoken and humble but otherworldly smart.
This is one of Jordan's most interesting interviews so far.
I love people sharing their knowledge!💚Thank You Jordan!🥰🥰🥰
I love the work that you do Prof Peterson. I'm such a big fan, it feels like I know you. And thanks. You changed my life, and I found new meaning in life. Lots of love, from South Africa 😁 👍🏻 ❤️
this has been absolutely amazing! This was not just an exchange of information but a cooperative development of a new model for intelligence and consciosness. It has been an absolute blast to see the interaction of the metaphorically and narratively inclined peterson with the analytical and mathmatical perspective of friston and i believe they both took a lot out of this conversation.
Dear Professor Peterson, I am not sure if you will read this but you have my respect and, as I’m sure you have gathered, the respect of thousands if not millions of people around the world. In a recent video I saw of you, you mentioned the phenomenon that a large percentage of men viewed your videos. I can’t speak for all of the men here but for me, that reason is two fold. 1. I agree with a large majority of the opinions I have seen you speak about and come to similar conclusions. Even if I hadn’t put it to words yet. Hearing you, seeing you and at time feelings the emotions and truth from your words is powerful. Powerful enough to capture the attention of people in trouble. People who don’t know how to ask for help and people who believe in the greater good.
2. I watch you because I think a major turning point in the culture of civilization and how both sex’s view each other AND treat one another will follow the dialogues you have started. Dialogue that most men feel and sympathize with but don’t have your credibility, publicity or even sometimes courage to say. Not only that, but you are well spoken and informed enough to fully realize arguments in defense of those ideals.
You are heavily watched as a phenomenon most people don’t understand fully. You are in a position of power. REAL power. Not some arbitrary election or inherited form of position. But one that was earned through logic, study, uphill mental battles and physical ones at that with your illnesses. You are a very good representation of the people you wish to serve. One under pressure, one struggling, but one with purpose. That classical underdog story of effort, determination and in this case, hopefully, justice. It’s a work of art and one that has captured the attention of those affected by the very injustices you point out.
I find Dr. Friston to be an embodiment of the benevolent father. Would love to see a series on this topic. Keep up the great work, both of you!
You are the second Canadian that I found that I respect, this makes me believe there could be more !! you are an asset to your country
Lol where are you from?
He's always my number one Canadian. Dr. Patrick Moore is my #2.
When we live our life based on the principle “Thy will be done on Earth as it is on Heaven” the concept of expectation is useless because we are absolutely convinced that every thing that happen is the best could happen for both our material and espiritual development. Thank you Dr Peterson your existence on this Planet is the best could happen for Humanity in these so difficult times.
This man needs some more thank you’s for being openly intelligent, and sharing that intellect with others. Thank you, sir.
Jordan your process of thinking and the way you dialogue with people has changed the way I communicate and I appreciate that change immensely. Thank you for your thoughtfulness.
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We're so incredibly lucky. I could only imagine how economically privileged we'd have to be gain access to these rare human minds not even 30 years ago
Most of this went over my head, but what I deduced is that it's extremely important to have goals. And from my experience it's definitely true that closer you get to achieving them the better you feel. Every development is a huge confidence boost. Thanks for such an insightful video
You guys make the highest level of discussion digestible for the masses, thank you so much for the free growth 😂 keep it up Jordan been loving the recent talks
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Jordan Peterson, we like what you do. Scholars need to teach people like you do as you are a perfect example of great teachers. There are so many false teachers and deceivers, who only keep pursuing destruction of other people.
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Jordan...saving the world...one talk at a time❤️
Jordan if people hate you they are short sighted thanks for repairing my relationship with my father I actually can have a proper conversation and now we are on even ground not fighting
Amazing. I return to this episode every few months as I'm studying Dr. Friston's work. Hopefully there will be a round 2!
Absolutely brilliant. I had the pleasure of having Prof. Friston as a guest on my channel. He is such a character! My question is, are we as humans really optimizing until convergence? Because that is the formulation of minimizing free energy, where we minimize until convergence!
That last point by Jordan....
“You should conduct yourself in a manner that leaves you open to exposing yourself to information that will allow you to update your narratives.”
Pure gold.
Thank you, Dr Peterson, for your continued work.
Respect to Dr Friston.
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Jordan Peterson is the father I never had😓. I hope he knows just how much we appreciate and love him. Thank you for guiding and sharing with us💕
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I have so enormous respect for the calmness Dr Friston represent.
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Jordan hello thank you for dedicating yourself to this cause, the cause of helping people like me change my perspective on so many things. I really appreciate you, sir. You're one like no other.
Peterson is awasome , we learn from him alot
As an orthodox Jew, I find Jordan's informed approach as being a bulwark to the radical and ingracious elements within our society as well as creating a solid and meaningful bridge between the Abrahamic faiths
So, Jordan, I've be watching and commenting as you've been developing these ideas for a while now. It's really exciting to see a conversation like this where the ideas are developed to the point that two giants of academia can sit down with the material and find so little error within it.
God speed! Thank you for all you do Jordan!
Man, it must be tough for these people to keep up with Jordan as he espouses three books in 5 minutes in these spectacular rants. He has really been able to connect a lot of dots. He almost doesn't leave anything else for his guests to say 😅
What a mind.
I understood it when Jordan Peterson expressed how people are dying for that reassuring voice, support and someone to motivate them. I am caught up in a situation whereby I need advice and wise words. I registered for a chemical engineering course under the influence of my parents. I also blame myself because I didn't know better and I followed the trends, not really taking the time to discover what would work well for me and my interests, I never took a gap year after high school to think things through and do my research. As such, I failed my first semester but the school allowed me to continue, I don't know how but they did. But now I'm facing problems with my sponsors, mind you I progressed to my second semester, passed it and now I'm doing my second semester, but my government is giving me problems with the sponsorship because they do not understand how I was allowed to progress. And I tried talking to my parents and requested to return home, take a gap year and rethink my choices because I was under a lot of stress and duress and I do not think I'll make it in this degree, but they won't let me. I feel so lost because I'm at the risk of losing my scholarship, my parents won't understand my situation and instead are interested in keeping me in school despite my condition because they bragged about me to a lot of people and cannot afford to be mocked, and I want to change the course and do something I'm compatible with, but I've already wasted my opportunity of sponsorship. I feel stuck and I've lost all hope, and sadly enough I have no one to turn to and talk to about this. I've been searching for sponsorships with no success and so I don't really know what to do anymore. I do have the drive to work, I do have the motivation to do better and change my situation but I lack opportunities, or should I say I don't know where to look. What can I do?
Thank you. Always inspiring and mind opening
Perception has held me back so much in life
this is like if qualitative research and quantitative research were personified and had a chat.
I love this podcast! Ill be re watching this one for a week.
Thank you for all your hard work Dr. Peterson.
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Helped me make some more connections to my own thought processes and ask myself what are my own motives and question how I arrived to that point. Definately empowering. Thank you Mr. Peterson and God Bless.
Great Podcast!!! A close friend just recently exposed me to your TH-cam presence, and the more videos I watch, the more videos I want to watch!!! Thank you for posting! Peace.
A very timely discussion considering my recent crisis of Faith. Thank you again Sir.
This is the definition of an intellectual discussion!
I am very interested in JP's investigation into this subject, maybe more than any other but it is a close call. f you haven't seen his conversation with Dr Huberman I would highly suggest it.
I'd also like to say what a wonderful individual is Dr Karl Friston. These extremely bright people tend to be so joyful which leads me to think that they are doing something very right.
Active Inference is Dr Friston's new book. It's on amazon and other places I imagine.
Thanks Dr Friston
and of course JP as always, thanks so much.
The topic of misaligned self-perception rings very true with what I've been working on revealing. That being placed in special education and labeled with Aspergers both delayed my ability to properly socialize myself which dreadfully tainted me sense of self. Then to give me a label as to associate a word with who I was which is a trap I find most people falling into when they're experiencing either a changing state of perception or one that's hyper-emotionally influenced. Breaking out of that shell isn't so easy given you're often surrounded by people who've grown comfortable around your flawed sense of self-perception. Breaking out of such a shell means making a few unintended enemies as a result.
If it were in my power, I'd demand psychiatrists stop labeling of children completely as the reasons for my diagnosis itself was the result of my chaotic childhood and the treatments worsened something that might've fixed itself naturally. Jordan Peterson simply gives me more ideas in an already chaotic mess that is human psychology and how we come to develop a sense of self. But it's the repression I have to thank for my desire to break through it which was sadly destructive but it didn't kill me. But it kills many who haven't a sliver of the luck I have.
So many people I know can benefit from this discussion....if only they'd internalize it. If not ONLY for the manners displayed and the willingness to listen, ingest, and enjoy each other's opinions for their further elucidation. These two are the epitome of communication....if not also conveyors of pure content.
We should teach PERSPECTIVE in school. For instance.....everyone in the world should know what WILL happen when our sun burns out....and it WILL BURN OUT. Few people ever think about this, yet the average person should know this to have any REAL perspective.
Another example....
I'm standing on a patch of real estate and calling it a rock...I call it solid...I say I own it. But it's a spot on a tectonic plate moving 1" per year. It used to move 10" a year long ago. It's at a latitude on a globe that is spinning...so add about 610 miles per hour to that 1" a year.
Now consider that the planet is going 41+K mph around the sun, and the sun is going about 500,000 mph around the center of the Milky Way....which is going 1,300,000 miles an hour...away from everything else.
YOU are balanced in the thinnest of probabilities of life...and most of us never learn this. But the FACTS above ARE true...and if you aren't asking "why am I here?" you aren't curious enough.
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Imagine having Jordan Peterson as a personal mentor. Life would never be the same. The things he has to say to all of us is only a fraction of what he could share one on one over time.
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Love the conversations... Reminds me of the paper chase back in the 70s t.v. series. Lovely words. Descriptive skills in conversation that captures your immediate attention.
This is why we need to build a society that can help us prevent basic uncertainties we have not chosen to be born within, such as whether or not one will have enough food and care to minimize free energy wheb they're born. And that has to be a collective narrative shared by everyone.
man, you're still educating the world. you are legend. thank you, I subbed
Ty for helping me on my road to recovery and succes Jordan Peterson! Much love 💜
Love your show! Topics! Have helped me see things much differently. Question they way I think on a lot of topics.
My brain has to work less when I attempt to grasp this topic. It all just makes so much sense I can almost understand it while asleep.
I once read a book, "Microcosmology 101", that resonated with me. Every person you meet makes an impression of authoritativeness that remains at some level of strength and character within you're being. These are the characters that occupy our internal worlds. Parents are the primary actors we internalize as authorities. They live within us as our internalizations of them; they behave semi-autonomously. They are important memory complexes to which we refer relentlessly in the conduct of our lives. In all of our considerations "they" voice their characteristic opinions for our edification. "My pappy told me 'don't accept any wooden nickels'...so why am I thinking of that right now, as a certain stranger approaches?"...because awareness filters the possibilities with a peculiar alacrity in matching "known" to "unknown" with great accuracy...as if guided by the spirit of truth...
I think you have successfully found the practical and usable aspect of the discussion.
Boy, would I like to spend a few hours talking to Dr. Peterson! I am a clinical hypnotherapist, and have been, for over 21 years. During that time, I have employed parts therapy, or ego state therapy, in order to resolve internal conflicts with my clients. (For those not familiar with parts therapy, it is based on the assumption that if you are engaging in some sort of self-sabotaging behavior, then it is because two or more unconscious 'parts' of you are engaged in an internal conflict.) What I recently concluded is that the methodology of parts therapy can be radically enhanced by addressing each part's perception of the 'world' they reside in, rather than solely attempting to mediate between conflicting parts. Put another away, each part within a person operates with perfect logic (even if the part seems self-destructive) according to how it perceives the psychological world in which it lives. Thus, if a part's logic is fine, then it is that internal world that must change. The question then becomes, "How do we change those separate internal worlds so that the logical responses that naturally arise from them lead to healthy client outcomes?"
This is a beautiful episode
I always enjoy the use of the wheat from chaff metaphor but I think the refining of gold through mercurial amalgamation is a deeper understanding of the distillation of constants...and not forget aqua regia
WISH all the best for you JBP..Enjoyed your Q&A in Amsterdam last month!
Thanks
Absolutely brilliant, will reward multiple viewings
after reading three forms of meaning and the managment of complexity, this was surprinsingly easy to follow, especially the hierarchy of micro narratives section, all that is talked about in three forms of meaning and the management of complexity
Something that came to mind while viewing this is the idea that potential is a kind of narrative. Like, one of the core functions of the universe is to have the capacity to become something in the future.
The future becomes the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen
@@annallen654 That is wonderful insight for me this morning. Thank you Ann!
Karl Friston is one of the brightest minds of our time - what a shame that he had so less chance to lay down his awesome and mind changing concepts in this podcast.
mind bending content, enjoyed every second of it.
Amazing long form discussion
Great point 57:52 - 59:00 could save families if considered every disagreement. Thank you for the analysis. 🇺🇸🌹
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Putting youself into Hero's shoes part 43:00ish. . Lots of studies saying that children reading diverse books helps raise them to grow up to be a more mentaly stable adult. The theories say that reading books from multiple POV helps children experience empathy to lots of varying characters and situations, inturn helping them to apply this to the people and current events happening around them. As well as, in my opinion, hopefuly helps them to see the mathimatics of being human, to see the why and how that comes from acting out of love or fear.
Lovely. Neuroscience backing up the creation and acting out of one's own Myth or Heroes Journey. Viewing ones life as a Tale, loaded with information and pathways of possibility and story.
This is a great crutch or lean-to for various multidisciplinary studies as to be used for personal enlightenment.
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31:00 This minute is perfect, the following minute is an exquisite elaboration on the first minute.
Best two minutes ever
33:00 is also very edifying
1:02:50
Hierarchal processing:
top-down interpretation/prediction becomes more accurate when processing the bottom up perceptions IF the correction/revision occurs.
Congratulatios Dr. Peterson, you have touched my life in such a profound way that I can not even explain here.
All of your intellectual videos are so fascinating to watch.....!!
I would like to suggest you conversations with all these amazing professors :
John Lennox ( Science and Mathematics, Oxford University )
Philip Kotler ( Marketing, Northwestern University )
Michael Porter ( Business Strategy, Harvard University )
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Off the top of my head: by accepting the right amount of uncertainty and surprise to allow development, you minimize OVERALL uncertainty and surprise in the long term.
I would like to thank you Dr Peterson for all the work you do in helping to lift the lost of this world out of the mire and also for helping me realize the value of articulation and the journey of understanding the ideas and thoughts that seem to float.
Your work has helped me anchor many of the most meaningful things in my life.
May God bless your work and give you strength and understanding.
I believe my path is directed towards clinical psychology.
However knowing where I can go to study this has been a difficult task as the leftist lean and thoughts on this area seems to be very heavy handed
Is there a place of learning that you trust to follow this path or some wisdom to negotiate the landscape?
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Matthew
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Peterson's work has allowed me to view the world as a concoction of Cause and Effect. I think by understanding this more, you can to a degree relatively understand anything. Seeing the world this way has allowed me to be more of a binary decision maker and be more probable with desired outcomes. 🧐
52:37 i wrote my bachelor's thesis about curiosity and you are coming to a really similar if not the same conclusion (about surprise mechanisms) as the information gap theory (which is about the mechanisms of curiosity). it postulates that curiosity is a feeling of deprivation which is caused by the perception of an information gap which one is confident in being equipped to handle and resolve (as opposed to anxiety which is when you don't feel like you could handle the information gap). George Loewenstein came up with the notion that curiosity only stirs up, when the expected reward (the dopamine reward) exceeds the expected effort for resolving the information gap. when i wrote my Thesis i often read that suprising stimuli are one cause for curiosity but when i listen to this here, i am unsure if surprise and curiosity don't refer to the same thing.
'A story is a description of a pathway littered with tools & obstacles.'
~ Jordan Peterson.
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Outstandingly profound, astute conversation.
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Always forward, never ever backward!!
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24:00 I feel like some people see the meaning before inferring an object, and some see object before inferring meaning. And that the former seems to align with creative problem solving or industriousness? Forgive me if i'm using the terms incorrectly. Hope I got the gist of my observation out there.
Being able to watch the news is seldom a dopamine hit for me, but I digress.
Rewind back to beginning, the portion of certainty, entropy , uncertainty ...just blows the mind ...
Dear Mr. Peterson, Yet another school shooting here in the US , 40 this year . This is heartbreaking and just insane that are kids, all of us have to experience this…. Do you have any thoughts- videos- on the subject? I’ve watched many of you YT talks and I really appreciate all your doing to help other.