I miss fixed biminy with PV bifacial panels.The bow cuts deep into the water? Overloaded in the bow? Nice boat. What is the price range of common variants?
The R4 shown here has our short 'spoiler' with a removable bimini. A great option when sailing in colder and warmer area's. You can choose how much sun you want/need. We also offer a long spoiler, all the way to the helm position and an even longer XL spoiler all the wat to the stern. The owner can decide. The larger spoilers also offer more solar of course.
Thanks for the tour. Aluminum is VASTLY more eco-friendly than plastic composites. And it's also more durable and safer, especially in collisions. Displacement 10.9 tons is somewhat light for this size of boat.
Very interesting boat. As a cruising cat sailor, it looks like there is something not quite right with that disturbed water at the bows - way too much?
The bows seem to be wave piercing. There are many different ways to design boat hulls. Agree it seems to throw some spray from the vertical bows. The actual bow and stern wakes look ok. The spray needs to go somewhere. Throwing it outwards is different from up and back, and arguably maybe better?
@@LoanwordEggcornI wonder how she’d go in heavy weather. Would she deep dive or hobby horse? Would the spray go over the bows and could the captain get drenched on the exposed helms? Still, it’s an interesting boat. I’d like to see more
Nice interiors 👍👍 at first glance I see open decks and gangways and I wonder if there are enough places where you can hold onto something. Secondly she seems to pitch quite strongly. A mast of 20 meters on a boat of 13 meters ?? Third I see both the jibsheet and the mainsheet connect to the coach roof while the mast steps to the deck.
you mean they could be built like that . its a big storage issue with those designs if you're a live aboard though. all about how far you want to move the scale towards purist performance than comfort?
@@_PatSails Agree, different designs balance the performance vs practicality in different ways. And that's a good thing since it gives us more choices. There is no single perfect answer for everyone.
fwiw, I'm waiting for an elegant affordable electric cat, much like this one, but one that that gets me to beautiful destinations without the cost/complexity/lethargy of sail power. imagine how much more utility this yacht could offer if all the time and money dedicated to an antiquated, underused propulsion system, were instead dedicated to features that add to comfort, convenience and safety and getting where you want to go.
I'd always choose sailing/wind power over electric personally. Safer. Cheaper. More fun. The electric powered sailing yacht designs ( hybrid) are progressing fast.
The R4 shown here has our short 'spoiler' with a removable bimini. A great option when sailing in colder and warmer area's. You can choose how much sun you want/need. We also offer a long spoiler, all the way to the helm position and an even longer XL spoiler all the wat to the stern. The owner can decide. The larger spoilers offer more solar for sure.
Theres much to commend it in terms of aims ..and the styling is quite Dutch minimalist. I see as others the bow disturbance and the higher Stern waterline ... There is also not much clearance under the tunnel. The biggest switch off however is the extreemly aft outboard helms and the final killer the open transom and scoops. Theres little or no chance of selling this to to familly cruisers... and many Cat owners know what its like to sail with massive waves pushing from the aft quarters and having to deploy drogues or ropes to stop the boat surfing down slope stuffing into the trough and then getting swamped or hitting your stern. You dare not open the saloon door in those conditions even with the drains.
Interesting cat but three things 1. Exposed helms - wet and not good for anyone concerned about skin cancer. As an Australian I would avoid yachts like this and the Excess. 2. She tracks strangely at the bow, it looks too deep in the water. This makes me wonder how she go in heavy weather, would she plow through the waves or hobby horse? Would the helmsman get drenched more? 3. As mentioned by others, it looks underweight in solar. I love that there are more fully electric boats becoming available and I hope you will take my comments and those of others as constructive criticism. As a business owner who designs their own products, I openly tell my testers “I want to know what you like, but I’m REALLY interested in what you don’t like” because that’s what stops them from buying a product, repeat sales or recommending it to their friends. Listen to what people don’t like and change it rapidly. This will be difficult if it’s something like hull design but worth it. Quick responsiveness will result in more sales and the difference between business survival and failure.
The R4 shown here has our short 'spoiler' with a removable bimini. A great option when sailing in colder and warmer area's. You can choose how much sun you want/need. We also offer a long spoiler, all the way to the helm position and an even longer XL spoiler all the wat to the stern. The owner can decide. The larger roofs/spoiler of course allows for more solar. Please note that the boat is designed 'electric' from the ground up and is therefor much more efficient than 'electric added after design'. On the current solar it runs all household including AC all day on the solar (in sunny areas). More solar is always good of course, but it is allready very powerful.
I don’t mind the white look, a lot of older boats are floating caves. It also encourages people to be cleaner. There’s a reason for the saying “grotty yachtie” 😂
The R4 shown here has our short 'spoiler' with a removable bimini. A great option when sailing in colder and warmer area's. You can choose how much sun you want/need. We also offer a long spoiler, all the way to the helm position and an even longer XL spoiler all the wat to the stern. The owner can decide.
yes. The panels that are there are completely inadequate. That barely covers the consumption of the lights and navigation accessories. I doubt it'll power the fridge and the cooker for any sustained period of time. The generator will have to run for at least an hour a day.
Current solar will cover all household energy daily, including the AC in the hulls. This is not an after the fact electric motor implementation, but a truly electric designed yacht, which makes everything more efficient. Larger solar is certainly possible: The R4 shown here has our short 'spoiler' with a removable bimini. A great option when sailing in colder and warmer area's. You can choose how much sun you want/need. We also offer a long spoiler, all the way to the helm position and an even longer XL spoiler all the wat to the stern. The owner can decide and the larger roofs allow for even more solar.
An aluminum electric on salt water I know it’s true but to say it is awkward Anything electrical on my sailboat that comes in contact with any salt water and it’s not long it’s a terrible mess. I’ve met a few with electric boats and they have no issues so that’s super good ! I’m older and just think it’s toys snd forklifts that are electric 😂
I think we'll see more and more of this hybrid technology once the first movers have done more ocean crossings and people get more comfortable with the technology
Love the idea but the bimini not being a massive solar array is a huge loss. Doesn't make any sense to prioritize "wind in the hair" on a boat that's rather slow for its size. You're clearly not aiming at the racers, so why didn't you load up the coachroof with solar and bring it all the way over the davits? Sun protection and necessary power generation.
The R4 shown here has our short 'spoiler' with a removable bimini. A great option when sailing in colder and warmer area's. You can choose how much sun you want/need. We also offer a long spoiler, all the way to the helm position and an even longer XL spoiler all the wat to the stern. The owner can decide.
The show installation will cover household consumption including the AC on in the hulls. The R4 shown here has our short 'spoiler' with a removable bimini. A great option when sailing in colder and warmer area's. You can choose how much sun you want/need. We also offer a long spoiler, all the way to the helm position and an even longer XL spoiler all the wat to the stern. The owner can decide. And the larger roofs/spoilers of course offer more solar.
Tiny solar panels for an electric cat. Why not design them to cover the whole roof? The flat area of the roof is about 25m2. Thats 5-6kW of solar(cost ≈2500€) or about 30kWh per day! Catamarans are perfect for a lot of solar but nobody does that. Such a lost opportunity.
The R4 shown here has our short 'spoiler' with a removable bimini. A great option when sailing in colder and warmer area's. You can choose how much sun you want/need. We also offer a long spoiler, all the way to the helm position and an even longer XL spoiler all the wat to the stern. The owner can decide. The larger roofs also offer more solar of course.
love it. lose the dutch minimalist designs. bet the welding is top notch too ....just wonder how pricey it would be and if they have any innovative options for big solar and quiet wind regen ...cause an all electric boat youre going to want it and would love to see the clever dutch interpretation of this ! BUT don't like the choice of motors ...would much prefer something more basic that isnt such a complicated design ....oceanvolt have too much gearbox and prop 'innovation' that get in the way imo
@@katamaranscomI think combi are the best. good history of production. simple and from all accounts I've had with owners very reliable simple (in a good way) construction and controls
Its a cat, what you want is a single helm with all lines led to that station, 99.9% of the time you are on auto pilot, you want a helm position that offers shelter, not sun wind and rain, self tacking jib sucks, overlapping genoa is much easier to barber haul downwind using the lazy sheet and doesnt break things if you are furling and the sail flogs, the cleats are tiny. Electric cats are in reality diesel cats with one BIG motor instead of 2 reliable diesels offering redundancy. I like the aluminium though 😊
I'm guessing you are not a fan 😅, all good stuff but there are pros and cons to all of those points of course. The helm position debate is always a passionate one, I find it interesting how it doesn't fire up so much in the monohull market with deck saloons vs the sportier helm positions. As you say, most of the time you are tucked inside on autpilot if the weather is filthy, you might need to wear a jacket every now and then coming into the marina. You are probably best off "tacking" downwind in a cat for the best VMG in my opinion, or invest in a parasailor. You make a good point about redunancy, I'd think about a back up generator if I was doing long passages. A portable one stowed away for instance.
@@katamaranscomI do like the concept, once you have sailed extensively in the tropics you will understand, the weather can be fine, but you are being incinerated, a covered helm with shade is important. In really strong downwind conditions I will certainly not be running with main, or a parasailor, code zero or any light air head sail. Reefed genoa, barber hauled, running as square as possible is my preferred gale set up.
For a nearly 13 m cat she looks so big and bulky, not like a long lean catamaran should, it looks like the designers focused more on maximizing living space rather than sailing ability. What is the tonnage?
![Windelo 50 - The ULTIMATE ELECTRIC Bluewater Catamaran? [4K Tour] Learning the Lines](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Yf4u0IVp99g/mqdefault.jpg)
![[MV] A leap of faith...ความเชื่อใจครั้งสุดท้าย (From "Petrichor the series")](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/U1piZH2CNXA/mqdefault.jpg)
That is a nice looking electric catamaran.
@@VonBluesman 🙏🏼🙏🏼
The best that I have seen the video of ❤
Salut , foarte frumos Catamaran thumbs up :)
Thank you:)
Thank god for this coming out!
😂 don't be absurd
Pretty amazing.
@@davidfinney6855 🙏🏼
It’s one of the biggest yots that I have not seen before
I miss fixed biminy with PV bifacial panels.The bow cuts deep into the water? Overloaded in the bow? Nice boat. What is the price range of common variants?
The R4 shown here has our short 'spoiler' with a removable bimini. A great option when sailing in colder and warmer area's. You can choose how much sun you want/need. We also offer a long spoiler, all the way to the helm position and an even longer XL spoiler all the wat to the stern. The owner can decide. The larger spoilers also offer more solar of course.
Thanks for the tour. Aluminum is VASTLY more eco-friendly than plastic composites. And it's also more durable and safer, especially in collisions.
Displacement 10.9 tons is somewhat light for this size of boat.
Light? Catamarans are supposed to be even lighter.
Nice to look at, clean lines; looks like a lot of love and attention to detail in this cat. Is shaft drive an option?
I don't believe so, powered by 2x SD15 Oceanvolt saildrives
Very interesting boat. As a cruising cat sailor, it looks like there is something not quite right with that disturbed water at the bows - way too much?
The bows seem to be wave piercing. There are many different ways to design boat hulls. Agree it seems to throw some spray from the vertical bows. The actual bow and stern wakes look ok.
The spray needs to go somewhere. Throwing it outwards is different from up and back, and arguably maybe better?
@@LoanwordEggcornI wonder how she’d go in heavy weather. Would she deep dive or hobby horse? Would the spray go over the bows and could the captain get drenched on the exposed helms?
Still, it’s an interesting boat. I’d like to see more
@@Angie-in8wc It looks like the spray goes outward.
Nice interiors 👍👍 at first glance I see open decks and gangways and I wonder if there are enough places where you can hold onto something. Secondly she seems to pitch quite strongly. A mast of 20 meters on a boat of 13 meters ?? Third I see both the jibsheet and the mainsheet connect to the coach roof while the mast steps to the deck.
The handrail is designed in the coach roof. So walking to the front you have handrails all around.
@ ok that’s very good 👍
Great boat! And how much is it cost?
The owner`s hull is portside)
Yes, you are correct, there is a mistake on that caption in the video, thank you
The berths need to be built deep into the central bulkhead, seawind style, to minimize hull width. Otherwise great aluminium cat.
you mean they could be built like that . its a big storage issue with those designs if you're a live aboard though. all about how far you want to move the scale towards purist performance than comfort?
@@_PatSails Agree, different designs balance the performance vs practicality in different ways. And that's a good thing since it gives us more choices. There is no single perfect answer for everyone.
Centre of buoyancy to far forward, different layout options ?
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What is the advantage of going aluminum over a composite hull?
@@grantwes lifespan, more resistant to impact, recyclable, solar and fire resistant.
fwiw, I'm waiting for an elegant affordable electric cat, much like this one, but one that that gets me to beautiful destinations without the cost/complexity/lethargy of sail power. imagine how much more utility this yacht could offer if all the time and money dedicated to an antiquated, underused propulsion system, were instead dedicated to features that add to comfort, convenience and safety and getting where you want to go.
I'd always choose sailing/wind power over electric personally. Safer. Cheaper. More fun. The electric powered sailing yacht designs ( hybrid) are progressing fast.
I was surprised there wasn't a hardtop going all the way back covered with bifacial solar panels.
@@timtravelnomad they have gone for the full hardtop on the larger boats (R5, R6)
The R4 shown here has our short 'spoiler' with a removable bimini. A great option when sailing in colder and warmer area's. You can choose how much sun you want/need. We also offer a long spoiler, all the way to the helm position and an even longer XL spoiler all the wat to the stern. The owner can decide. The larger spoilers offer more solar for sure.
Se clava mucho la proa o está bien 🤔
Theres much to commend it in terms of aims ..and the styling is quite Dutch minimalist. I see as others the bow disturbance and the higher
Stern waterline ... There is also not much clearance under the tunnel.
The biggest switch off however is the extreemly aft outboard helms and the final killer the open transom and scoops. Theres little or no chance of selling this to to familly cruisers... and many Cat owners know what its like to sail with massive waves pushing from the aft quarters and having to deploy drogues or ropes to stop the boat surfing down slope stuffing into the trough and then getting swamped or hitting your stern. You dare not open the saloon door in those conditions even with the drains.
It's a whole boat length too short!
Eh ... The video states "The Owner's Hull is starboard" and "The Guest Hull to Port...", but the video seems to show the opposite.
@@TerjeDahlT yes, that is a mistake. I think I must have put my green shoe on my left foot and my red shoe on my right foot that day
@@katamaranscom We put red and green bands in my daughter's pigtails. ;-)
@@TerjeDahlT 😅👏
Sailing "bow heavy" from the video,anyway..
Nice cinematography but captions ran so fast , maybe a bit slower. Nice Cat though
@@vicariouswitness ok, thanks for the feedback, hard to get the best balance between info and speed, but you are probably right
Graphics too fast. Agreed
Starboard on the left?
Only when you are facing aft, but yes, you're right, there is a mistake in the captions, will add a note
price?
Is the cat nose heavy ? Looks such.
The bows seem to be wave piercing. There are many different ways to design boat hulls.
Interesting cat but three things 1. Exposed helms - wet and not good for anyone concerned about skin cancer. As an Australian I would avoid yachts like this and the Excess.
2. She tracks strangely at the bow, it looks too deep in the water. This makes me wonder how she go in heavy weather, would she plow through the waves or hobby horse? Would the helmsman get drenched more?
3. As mentioned by others, it looks underweight in solar.
I love that there are more fully electric boats becoming available and I hope you will take my comments and those of others as constructive criticism.
As a business owner who designs their own products, I openly tell my testers “I want to know what you like, but I’m REALLY interested in what you don’t like” because that’s what stops them from buying a product, repeat sales or recommending it to their friends.
Listen to what people don’t like and change it rapidly. This will be difficult if it’s something like hull design but worth it. Quick responsiveness will result in more sales and the difference between business survival and failure.
The R4 shown here has our short 'spoiler' with a removable bimini. A great option when sailing in colder and warmer area's. You can choose how much sun you want/need. We also offer a long spoiler, all the way to the helm position and an even longer XL spoiler all the wat to the stern. The owner can decide. The larger roofs/spoiler of course allows for more solar. Please note that the boat is designed 'electric' from the ground up and is therefor much more efficient than 'electric added after design'. On the current solar it runs all household including AC all day on the solar (in sunny areas). More solar is always good of course, but it is allready very powerful.
Why is there no roof over the cockpit? Everything is white like in a hospital...
I don’t mind the white look, a lot of older boats are floating caves.
It also encourages people to be cleaner. There’s a reason for the saying “grotty yachtie” 😂
The R4 shown here has our short 'spoiler' with a removable bimini. A great option when sailing in colder and warmer area's. You can choose how much sun you want/need. We also offer a long spoiler, all the way to the helm position and an even longer XL spoiler all the wat to the stern. The owner can decide.
I see a lot of sharp corners up on the deck and inside, someone's toes are not going to have a good experience 😅
⛵ I like it but the helm seems completely exposed to weather, not comfortable/safe at night or in adverse conditions.
Definitely not enough solar on a boat that is all electric!
yes. The panels that are there are completely inadequate. That barely covers the consumption of the lights and navigation accessories. I doubt it'll power the fridge and the cooker for any sustained period of time. The generator will have to run for at least an hour a day.
Current solar will cover all household energy daily, including the AC in the hulls. This is not an after the fact electric motor implementation, but a truly electric designed yacht, which makes everything more efficient. Larger solar is certainly possible: The R4 shown here has our short 'spoiler' with a removable bimini. A great option when sailing in colder and warmer area's. You can choose how much sun you want/need. We also offer a long spoiler, all the way to the helm position and an even longer XL spoiler all the wat to the stern. The owner can decide and the larger roofs allow for even more solar.
An aluminum electric on salt water
I know it’s true but to say it is awkward
Anything electrical on my sailboat that comes in contact with any salt water and it’s not long it’s a terrible mess.
I’ve met a few with electric boats and they have no issues so that’s super good !
I’m older and just think it’s toys snd forklifts that are electric 😂
I think we'll see more and more of this hybrid technology once the first movers have done more ocean crossings and people get more comfortable with the technology
Love the idea but the bimini not being a massive solar array is a huge loss. Doesn't make any sense to prioritize "wind in the hair" on a boat that's rather slow for its size. You're clearly not aiming at the racers, so why didn't you load up the coachroof with solar and bring it all the way over the davits? Sun protection and necessary power generation.
The R4 shown here has our short 'spoiler' with a removable bimini. A great option when sailing in colder and warmer area's. You can choose how much sun you want/need. We also offer a long spoiler, all the way to the helm position and an even longer XL spoiler all the wat to the stern. The owner can decide.
I don't see much solar for a all electric cat.
@@douglasmontgomery6315 you can option up to 2050W of peak solar
@@katamaranscom , Do you have a diagram of it distributed on the vessel. I just don't see the room. Thanks
The show installation will cover household consumption including the AC on in the hulls. The R4 shown here has our short 'spoiler' with a removable bimini. A great option when sailing in colder and warmer area's. You can choose how much sun you want/need. We also offer a long spoiler, all the way to the helm position and an even longer XL spoiler all the wat to the stern. The owner can decide. And the larger roofs/spoilers of course offer more solar.
The exterior looks amazing. However, I don't like the interior - it looks tooooo minimalistic and cheap, even below IKEA style..
Tiny solar panels for an electric cat. Why not design them to cover the whole roof? The flat area of the roof is about 25m2. Thats 5-6kW of solar(cost ≈2500€) or about 30kWh per day! Catamarans are perfect for a lot of solar but nobody does that. Such a lost opportunity.
The R4 shown here has our short 'spoiler' with a removable bimini. A great option when sailing in colder and warmer area's. You can choose how much sun you want/need. We also offer a long spoiler, all the way to the helm position and an even longer XL spoiler all the wat to the stern. The owner can decide. The larger roofs also offer more solar of course.
love it. lose the dutch minimalist designs. bet the welding is top notch too ....just wonder how pricey it would be and if they have any innovative options for big solar and quiet wind regen ...cause an all electric boat youre going to want it and would love to see the clever dutch interpretation of this ! BUT don't like the choice of motors ...would much prefer something more basic that isnt such a complicated design ....oceanvolt have too much gearbox and prop 'innovation' that get in the way imo
@@_PatSails interesting thoughts, what brand(s) of electric motor would you go for?
@@katamaranscomI think combi are the best. good history of production. simple and from all accounts I've had with owners very reliable simple (in a good way) construction and controls
Its a cat, what you want is a single helm with all lines led to that station, 99.9% of the time you are on auto pilot, you want a helm position that offers shelter, not sun wind and rain, self tacking jib sucks, overlapping genoa is much easier to barber haul downwind using the lazy sheet and doesnt break things if you are furling and the sail flogs, the cleats are tiny. Electric cats are in reality diesel cats with one BIG motor instead of 2 reliable diesels offering redundancy. I like the aluminium though 😊
I'm guessing you are not a fan 😅, all good stuff but there are pros and cons to all of those points of course. The helm position debate is always a passionate one, I find it interesting how it doesn't fire up so much in the monohull market with deck saloons vs the sportier helm positions. As you say, most of the time you are tucked inside on autpilot if the weather is filthy, you might need to wear a jacket every now and then coming into the marina. You are probably best off "tacking" downwind in a cat for the best VMG in my opinion, or invest in a parasailor. You make a good point about redunancy, I'd think about a back up generator if I was doing long passages. A portable one stowed away for instance.
@@katamaranscomI do like the concept, once you have sailed extensively in the tropics you will understand, the weather can be fine, but you are being incinerated, a covered helm with shade is important. In really strong downwind conditions I will certainly not be running with main, or a parasailor, code zero or any light air head sail. Reefed genoa, barber hauled, running as square as possible is my preferred gale set up.
For a nearly 13 m cat she looks so big and bulky, not like a long lean catamaran should, it looks like the designers focused more on maximizing living space rather than sailing ability. What is the tonnage?
Quoted light displacement is 10.9 tonnnes (specs at 6:30 and 6:55). The beam is 7.08m on a length of 12.8m (55%).
Too many sharp furniture and wall corners in the interior of the boat. That’s a dealbreaker for me.
You didn't watch the video m8
@@Tjalie-j6i What gave you that impression?
So…..what catamaran are you going to buy now instead?
My boat is even better than electric, it’s wind powered
@@DanielRichards-yj7jz you might be onto something there 😉
If I tried really hard I might just be able to make it more ugly.
Lithium batteries on bord is not good...and very... dangerous
Lithium batteries are safe if they are LFP and have a separate compartment. Ideally one that can be safely flooded.
keep up at the back ,! Li is here to stay , lead is more dangerous it wants to go the the seabed lol !