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@@asole100 I should make a video on it. But it's more investing into the company similar to if you went to the bank and got a 20k loan to start a business. Instead I just bought it all out right. Nice tax write as well.
@Dj Rick Webb I completely agree. Heard the same thing from some friends with their own business. Would be a great video btw! Some people trying to start their own business should know.
I totally agree with you that most column arrays suck! Matter of fact they all suck they either fall flat when it comes to bass or they have drop offs or the processing isn't crispy enough. I love the EV's high end hate the flatness of the bose ( but the bose was not made for DJs, it was made for musicians) but they all suck when I comes to bass including DB technologies (specifically the double 12 1203 and 1002 models) However, I am a fan of the very imperfect IP300. I think you do not need 2 subs and 2 ip300s at the front of the room. That is the point of a column's arrays wide dispersion right? You should only need one. I would run one sub and one ip300 next to my rig and another ip300 (no sub) at the sound drop off point 50 feet away for longer rooms. I unlike most djs do not feel the need to have a symmetrical looking setup as long as it sounds good (clients also do not care) but for those that do care, just run some powerful 10s over your 15 inch subs. 1 Ip300 over 1 Yamaha dxs 15, with one IP300 on a stand (using your wireless system) for side fill is more than enough for most rooms (100-175 guests) because the bass will travel during dinner and cocktail and the wide dispersion of the the Ip 300.
I don't think they suck. I think what DJ's and bands don't understand about column arrays is that they are not designed to throw sound. They are designed for wider sound dispersion. These aren't meant for throwing sound, it's designed to more evenly distribute sound over a wider area. I like using them for smaller wedding because you create a hot spot of sound on the dance floor and the back of the room isn't too loud for casual conversation. You just have to understand the different applications.
finally someone who understands and has noticed what's going on. i only ever hear a lot of bass, pressure, etc. not suitable for weddings and birthday parties anyway, but to supply the people with a wide range of efficiency. what a dj always does will is completely uninteresting, people say so, but most of them don't understand it anyway
It's all about application people. You need to know the specs. on the speaker(s) and use them to that specific situation. Also you get what you pat for- don't pay for cheap equipment and wonder why you can't get better sound. Do your homework and pay a little more. You will not regret it afterwards!
Just a quick scan of the comments section, I didn't notice anyone addressing the "Science" of why these types of speakers don't cut it. A couple things . . . No horns. Horns are designed to throw sound at distance. While some of these units have some pretty awesome tweeters, they are not really designed to Throw Sound. Lack of Height. You touched on this a little. Mid-Highs and Highs should ALWAYS be at 6', (1.8 m) Minimum. Low frequencies should be "Felt". High frequencies should be "Heard". When the Highs are hitting the crowd, bodies quickly absorb those frequencies leaving nothing for the back. My 2¢
Depends on use I suppose. I have The RCF EVOX J8's and I have no complaints. They look a 100 times better than the ol tripods and sound just as good. Now would I do large venues with them...probably not. But do they beat the old school PA speakers for smaller gigs...absolutely. They spread better and dont have the hot spots. This video goes along with the "facades suck" video. That is just YOUR opinion.
100% agree I have the evox 8. Perfect for weddings. Would I use em for sweet 16s no. Hip hop wedding? Maybe depends on size. Most weddings you want to use back fills cause the people sitting don’t need loud music. Agree with the facade too whoever is gonna use whatever and all that matters is the music
The IP300s are not horn loaded tweeters. There's only so much you can do with these size speakers without horn loading. They are intended to have super even coverage 180 degrees around them, and they do that extremely well. I use them for events that need background sound or speech where radial coverage is important. They just aren't built for distance projection. They sound phenomenal in their coverage range, and are very very even 180 degrees across the front of the speakers, they just aren't set up for typical dance floor stuff. The ip300s are much better for fills around a room (or outdoors) for ambient music or speech, particularly when people are moving around the area rather than seated or standing in fixed areas. Other concern using ip300s near each other is comb filtering due to the broad coverage, but again, they're really better suited to setting up around a room or event for audience fill.
I've used a pair of Evolve50 column arrays for about 2 years, since they came out. Never had problems with them, even outdoors having to cover an area of about 60 wide by 100 long. Where they do drop off in higher volumes is in the low end. I just set them up on top of 2 18"subs and problem solved, good height and perfect bass to go with them. Side note. I've been working in Broadcast for about 7 years. From camera op to engineering assistant and even audio. I went to school for it and learned audio from an audio engineer with multiple Emmy awards. Trust me, I know what I'm doing and the Evolve50's are great.
Yeah that's basically what I pointed out that you need to add subs to get them higher and add base. But now your like 5k into a DJ system. When you could buy traditional tops and only spend 3k. Wiser investment possibly
@@donatfairs204 I only ad subs when it's outdoor or a bigger crowd than the Evolve50's are meant for. Low frequencies drop about 3db every 10 feet. Specially outdoors where there's no walls for it to bounce off of.
A true column array is defined in part by the vertical spacing of the drivers. Just because a cabinet looks like a column array, does not mean it will exhibit column array characteristics including tight vertical pattern control (for more consistent SPL front to back), wide horizontal coverage and a much higher immunity to feedback. Just like any SOS, there are both good and bad. The RCF EVOX line is where column arrays start to sound good, now include the FBT CS1000, RCF NXL-24a, dB Technologies ES1002 and 1203 and you have plenty of good choices. Want better then check out Renkus Heinz IC Live and RCF NXL 44-a and you will forget about your PRX’s pretty quickly. Keep in mind some of the column arrays that don’t fit your needs are the perfect solution for acoustic live performances, more so than POS speakers.
Say hey Scott! I’m an acoustic guitarist one man band. Been staring (on TH-cam video) at the Db Technologies es1203. Could you recommend this or something even better? I’ll be playing in NYC for packed crowds both indoors and on rooftop lounges. To keep up with the pressure of playing for totally hip and cool New Yorkers I HAVE to have something totally amazing. Can you help me? Thanks for your thread!!!
@@ironman1290 Hi Ed - if you want to stay with the column array form factor, the DB1203 and LD Systems MAUI 44 G2 are both very formidable, and standouts among a crowded field of units in the under $ 2,500 range. I don't know your budget, but a step above that would be the LD Systems P900 ($4k per unit). Both of these LD Systems would fit the description of "have to have something totally amazing". And if that Isn't enough, you can always go with the L'Acoustics Syva and Syva Low system. This is not a self powered system and would REQUIRE one of their processed amps (e.g. LA4X). One Syva, one Syva Low and LA4X amp would set you back close to $ 18k - $20k (maybe more). Hope this helps.
Thanks Rick! I've been using a pair of Evolve 50's for almost a year. Mostly 150 person weddings. Love them overall. Brides, planners, venue reps all love the aesthetic, and many tell me (placebo or not) that they sound better than boxes on sticks. Sure, I have my ETX 15sp subs for when I need more than the Evolve's can give me on low end--but that's going to be true with any column array setup that isn't crazy expensive. One thing you didn't mention is that column arrays are much less susceptible to feedback--and since every FOB or MOH giving a speech/toast likes to stand right in front of the speaker with the mic 18" from their mouth, I've had WAY less feedback issues. I also can hear my Evolve's from behind the speakers way better than I could with a traditional point-source, which is helpful for beat matching for me. All in all they're the best for me--but you're not wrong about the height. I wish I could get them higher. Never crossed my mind to put the ELX200-12's under them--that could be a future investment. I was already thinking about getting one or two of those to put beside one of the Evolve's, turning off the sub on the other Evolve to get rid of the power-alley/nulls you get with stereo subs. Anyway--keep the videos coming.
I always watch you and other TH-cam DJ's talking about what speakers to use and always reviewing new setups, but there one brand I've probably never seen any of you use and I'm curious as to why. QSC. Aside from the pair of Evolve50's I use, QSC is my go to brand. The k12.2 tops are great, loud, clear and even at higher volumes and projecting far, they don't destroy the people up close. If you wanted to make a compact system, I'd go for a pair of k10.2 or k8.2 tops with either a ks112 or a ks212 sub. Even with a ks212 sub and a k8.2 top, you'd barely be just over the price of a single evolve 50 while getting more output and more reach with the QSC setup.
Here is mine and a lot of other DJs problems with qsc. It sounds auto tuned. Qsc messes with the sound in there processing and makes it sound a lot different then the raw track. Other then that its clean and loud it just fs with the audio
I have been using the EVOX J8 (pair) for a few months now, very happy with them. Great sound quality and more than enough bass output. I have had no problem hitting the back of the room at 120'. Much more bass output than the evolve 50s. Very quick and easy setup as well. Wide coverage pattern for the tops, 120 degrees. Had been using an ELX200 powered set (10" tops and 12" subs powered) much prefer the J8's. Easier setup, less weight. My only complaint is the tops do not go as high frequency wise as traditional horn loaded tops. But still very clear.
Scott Gleisner I use the same setup with 2 J8 for most of my wedding gigs less than 250 ppl. Walk in and setup is a breeze, don’t need to lug around 15-18” subs. Never had an issue with drop off since coverage of the venue is awesome on these. If I want to add bump, I bring an extra 12-15” sub, but the my type of gigs aren’t “club” playlists. I’ve had the privilege of doing a 400+ wedding in a museum, but I was fortunate enough to be able to borrow 5 Meyer sound upm and upj speakers and only need 2 15” subs. Everyone needs to try the column array and see if it fits the type of music and events. I have had a great .5 year on my 2 j8 and my back as well as my minivan thanks me for investing in the RCFs.
I love the RCF Evox J8s for weddings. The white version looks great and if you put a PAR in front of the J8 it lights up with the color of the PAR. I did a wedding with about 250 people and they worked quit well. Weddings are not like EDM for high school kids who want the room to rattle. At a wedding you want the dance floor to sound great and the people visiting off of the dance floor to be able to have conversation. Just EQ the J8 properly and you will be VERY happy with them. Also, transporting the RCF Evox J8 is soooo easy to transport and set up.
I have EV Evolve 50s and I have rocked 200+ weddings for over four hours. So to say they don’t work is ridiculous. Y’all can keep your subs and tops. I would love to have some for school dances which I occasionally still do. However, I use the EVs because they are easy to set up and don’t overtake the room from a wedding aesthetic aspect. That’s my niche and selling point to brides who are looking for fun without the DJ overpowering their decor. Thank you for your videos, Rick. I always appreciate your insights because you seem to do much research. Cheers!
That's funny I counter sell brides on that saying they may look nice but they dont sound as good as mine. But were both in the right mind of it's all about the sell really.
I have a bunch of speaker systems and the EV Evolve 50 are fantastic for most smaller to medium sized events. They sound warm, cover well, and are not harsh to listen to if they are EQed properly. I see these DJs bring in all the speakers on a stick configurations, and most of the time they are too harsh for the room, they don’t dial back the high end and just want gut busting bass which is good for some applications but not all. Transport for the Evolves is fantastic, they get plenty loud for my events, just know you will not fill a gym or large a hall with them. DJs need to stop worrying about what others have and use what works for them. I’m not going to buy all new heavy speakers and subs when the room doesn’t need that, or the client doesn’t really care about the newest tech in the speaker. Aesthetics matter to most people that’s why I really enjoy the Evolves, and they work very well for me. Research the physics of speakers and you will be amazed that 18s are sometimes not the best solution, when a band pass 12 can handle the same situation. Coupling subs add 3db of gain, most DJs don’t do that, which I don’t know why. To each there own.
I use (2) J8’s for my 6-piece band. He’s right in that for normal weddings and club gigs of 150 or less, it works very well. But for some of the bigger clubs we do up in Boston (200-300) they cants handle the crowd and we end up adding (2) 15” subs, a couple smaller LD arrays and some 15” tops. I honestly wish the Evox 12’s were much cheaper as those would likely work better. Overall, when the crowd is the right size, the J8’s sound amazing and are very well balanced. You just might want to consider something else for larger crowds.
Bruh... Thank you for this video!!! I was looking into and considering possibly purchasing a column array setup... or two. I'll stick with my four(4) EV EKX 15P mains. You nailed this topic. Well done.
I love my RCF EVOX J8s, and I've used them from small to medium sized venues, but I also have the 18 subs with 15 tops for larger venues. What works for some, may not work for all....just saying, if opinions were that important, I think the Adj event table sucks.....but, that's just me...Rock On Rick, you're still alright in my book....lol
I bought the RCF Evox 12's. Better base, solid sound, adjustable poles, and can use them for small or larger crowds. A little larger, and more $, but still easy to move around and don't need large inventory of speakers for different kinds of events.
I'm 55 years old and old-school. Just converted back to vinyl. I always wanted a speaker system like those array design speaker because they are easy to carry around. I just picked up a pair of 18 inch subwoofers to go with my 4 conventional 12 inch and 15 inch horn speakers. For me the bigger the better. I'm a rack mount guy and digital keyboard player. Going for the pro sound 🔊 Great information!
I sold live pro audio gear for 12+ years and worked as a musician, sound tech, and DJ. I would never recommend the compact line array speakers for DJs but they do work extremely well in certain applications. The compact line arrays work great for the following criteria: Small 1 to 4 piece bands playing in smaller venues. As you stated, they don’t throw sound as well in a large room with people standing/dancing but they work phenomenal for even coverage in a room where people are sitting and listening to a small band or acoustic performance. If you notice a lot of ads and pictures of the compact array speakers usually show a solo musician performing. This is an optimal system for the solo artist or small band to load and setup for the proper gig. I also agree with your opinion on the EV arrays. I’ve seen several groups and a solo artist take 1 in a small building to perform inside a church and it worked and sound great. The height of the top array on the EV is lower but if you think about it that is usually a non issue when in the proper venue. Most people are sitting so coverage is still optimal.
I couldnt agree less. Now I would agree the ones you tested are not the greatest. But there are a few now that do actually sound great. I am currently rocking the JBL PRX ONE and this thing is a room shaker and great for small to mid sized rooms and can easily handle up to a room of 80 people, (With just one Speaker) and if you pair them up you can handle couple of hundred. I DJ every week with these and I have no complaints. Plus entire setup and breakdown is under 15 minutes. Plus I can carry everything in one trip in and out.
I own the Evox 8 and J8. I can tell you that the bass is not slamming. It's there but keep in mind that all you have pushing bass is two 12 inch woofers. They are really woofers and not subwoofers. A K12 would give you the same bass if it was on the floor. So there are many gigs where a sub will be needed with a small array system. I use a 15 inch RCF sub but an 18 would be even better. I went with a portable array for several reasons. #1 right out front is portability. I love how easy they are to transport, setup and breakdown. The 2nd reason is that you do get good sound. A well designed array tends to throw further and has slightly wider coverage 120 vs 90 degree). I measured mine with a sound meter and got a whopping 6 to 9 db more at 50 feet over a regular top and sub. I stood at the back of the ballroom during the wedding toast. For the first time we could all hear the toast and bridal party speeches very clearly.
Great wisdom Rick! I just cannot justify moving to columns after investing in QSC 12s and KSC112 sub. But I do envy the space saving and convenience that columns offer. That’s something some part time DJs without dedicated wagons to transport and big garages to store may consider as important.
I enjoy nerding out about speakers! I heard the Evolve 50s at a wedding, and my take as a sound engineer is that overall, they sound great! However, there's only so much thump you can get out of a 12" woofer, and in the large room they were playing in, there just wasn't the visceral impact felt in the floor. The Evolve 50s are meant to be light and portable (per EV reps on the EV roadshow a few years back). For a smaller room, or applications where you don't need impactful bass, they'll be just great! For larger rooms, I'd probably supplement them with some 18s. I use all EV ETX speakers, and the ETX-18SP subs deliver that visceral impact. If you really want the best in column speakers, L'Acoustics SYVA is probably the best one... And it comes with a price tag to match (about $30,000)!
A pair of the RCF EVOX 12, coupled with one RCF 18" 708 sub is the magic combination. Process it with the DBX Driverack PA2 and my clients are happy and so impressed!!! I also use HK Audio Nano 300 speakers as a monitor for large events and that system also serves as a separate system or even a backup if necessary.
I’ve just been helping on an install and we used some of the RCF ones as front side fills and they throw very well for the size of the cabinets. I don’t think they will replace a normal point source just yet so we used some Meyers for mains but for delays or fills these are an amazing buy.
Thanks Rick. I spoke with Mojoe this week as well. Took the plunge and bought a pair of RCF J8. I rarely do larger than 200, and when I do, I have a much larger rig to do so. Personal preference is important, and heavy lifting is out for me, back surgery. I also returned my alto stealth haha. They’ll be delivered Tuesday I gig with them on Friday. I’ll let you know.
I have the Evox8 and 12s and I can attest that the Evox 12s are worth the money. I was very hesitant to buy em because of the price. But I got a good deal $3500 for the pair with bags and they were worth every cent.
My problem, after 2 gigs with the Evox 8 is, no mids and power alley, no bass on the dancefloor but sideways. I put them side to side with my 710a mk4 and 702as clustered in the centre, and yes, the evox looks better, but in sound quality and pressure the classic setup wins big time. A better option might be the DB ES 1203 in stereo setup. Bigger drivers, 4 inch, and 1 double 12 sub.
I’m right there with you! Bass!!!! You need bass for dance music period. We have been needing a video like this for a while thanks Ricky keep those record spin bra
@@stevenswall The Evolve bass cabs actually sound dam impressive for a 12"...but it's no 18 and the tops are what really ruins it. If people like pointing their tops directly into other's ears, have fun with that.
I've been DJing since 1998 so I guess 25 years, and I just don't understand why anyone would expect a few 3 or 4 inch speakers on top a 12" sub to be as loud or powerful as a traditional 15" mid with a horn and subs. I think these are nice for cocktail hour or a ceremony or what I like to do is put one of them on the other end of the room. No matter what speakers you have the sound is always louder 15 or 20 feet out than 40 or 50 so by putting an array on the other end of the room you can better balance the sound throughout the room, which is definitely helpful during dinner when ppl can't move away from the dance floor but you need the sound loud enough to fill the room
I own Turbosound IP3000 system and absolutely love them.. 7ft tall in height, the throw is amazing and they have more bass than the competition out there.. I would highly recommend checking in to the IP3000 system over everything that you have named
I run two Evolve 50s and an EKX 18 sub, I have no issues with volume or body to my sound. The height of the poles on the Evolves is not an issue, they are menat to throw sound and that they do well.
Ip300s are phenomenal fam. The throw and the spread of sound is so loud and clear. Make sure u turn them up on the speaker themself and not just with your mixer. I love them! Not for u Rick lol but anyone else in the comments lurking .
Yeah I am aware. But when you start getting into that money discussion.... you really got to consider what your getting versus what your spending. We are all here to make money so investments are crucial
DJ Rick Web maybe selling your prx speakers can get you one of these things. Problem is you need more money for amps. But note this A rental company owner (loves Jbl and hates l acoustics) admitted that the syva was impressive. Note he normally uses jbl vtx so i would def take advice from him
I bought 2 Chinese vertical array Master-G Pro 210. They cost me $170 each, they are clearly targeted as a home use sound system, and the build quality is not the best. But doing some modifications to the enclosure they turned being better than the Jbl eon one. I use them as cocktail speakers and they do their job, i got my investment back in 2 gigs
It seems to me that the EV Evolve 50 can be used in conjunction with 18 '' subs. Put Evolve 50 on the subwoofer. This is for those times when there are a lot of people on the dance floor and you don't feel like lugging larger speakers for subwoofers. Firstly, the height of the array changes, secondly, you get a high-quality poke from the 12 '' Evolve speaker (the 18 '' speaker does not poke), thirdly, you get a sub-bass from 18 '', in the fourth, you do not need to drag additional speakers, and Evolve 50 to be used at the ceremony, and then transferred to the main hall. The connection is elementary.
I saw the EV evolve 50 and was excited about getting them, however I ended up with the RCF evox J8's and love them. I supplement them with a single 18" JBL sub, and end up with the extra bass reflex for the songs that demand it at gigs.
Hi Rick Web. I have the Ev Evolve 50 and I use them on smaller event around 100 people. 100+ people I use my Bose L1 Model 2 with B2 base module (I own two of those ) with the Bose T4 Tonemach I love the speakers and I use them on most of my events. When I got bigger party 250, 300 people I'm adding two of my Bose F1 woofers to the L1 or I make some changes to the Bose F1 base bracket and I can install my QscK 12.2 on the top of the Bose F1 woofers and that sounds really good. Love your videos . Thank you.
The volume drop that you say you've experienced is a bit strange for an array system. Are you sure you didn't had any phase cancellation problem instead?
We didnt I ran multiple trials in open parking lots with my buddies prior to using. We noticed it but since we were blasting at full volume I didnt consider how drastic that would effect lower volume usage cases like cocktail/dinner
The volume drop is idd caused by the angled speakers. I use the bose L1’s, love them, but you have to work differently with them. I spread them out, so they fill the room, don’t need to “throw” the sound. It’s an other way of working, doesn’t sound as bassy though. But unfortunatly, here in Belgium, we have really have “a lot of complaining neighbours” 😂
@@DJRickWeb they aren't designed for outside as sound engineer in the biz for over 35 years you're wrong on this one Rick. The big black box speakers at every wedding isn't necessary these days or pleasing to the eye. Check the photographer pics and look how they shoot around your system when they can. As a young DJ I think you post things just to get a reaction. The EV50's EQ'ed correctly are great wedding speakers.
Rick, go for the RCF Evox 12. I have them and I love the sound and portability. if you're going to go the route of the Evox 8 or the J8, might as well go for the 12's.
I do not have any experience with these but it looked like to me they both have a similar amplifier with only a 2 db difference. Without hearing them in person I would be inclined to steer towards the DB Technologies es1203 at that price point. What do you think?
@@thebuildcave8967 the evox-12 would still be a better bet. db tech isnt bad but its not necessarily worth the price not to mention have fun repairing them.
1 you should try DB Technologies models, there are double 12" bass unit so it pretty loud 2 columns never get the result of a speaker with compression driver horn loaded 3 why you experiment with column arrays? Just take a pair of RCF 745 or HDM 45 and forget about everything, this are the most versatile and universal and powerful and light enough to carry one man.
@@DJRickWeb Because not everybody has larger events, large disco and highschoolevents as their main events. There 're a lot of mobile dj's that do parties in small to medium sized rooms (50-120 guests) and do so very happily with one or two Maui LD 28 G or Evox 50 column arrays. Also, many dj's seem to get tired of or are getting back troubles from carrying heavy subs, lifting tops and scrimming tripods every (smaller) gig. I follow British and German dj groups and see that there are a lot of dj's succesfully and happily doing parties with column array systems. If all of these systems would 'suck', how can that be...?
I personally use the Carvin TRX3903 columns for my pro audio company. Running bands from bars and shows all the way up to outside distances of 750' the volume stays very constant. Carvin recently started making their columns again and I highly recommend them! It'll give you 18 full range drivers per side. They are the best and most affordable columns out there!!
Hi Rick. I got the same feeling as you about evolve50. I love mine! But when the dancefloor is packed with +100 guests, evolve50 doesn't deliver in the back of the crowd. I just bought 2 x EKX-15SP to put under my evolve50. It did a massive change! Ofc to the bass itself, but also the evolve50 top plays so much loader than before because the array center is higher up. I'm really happy for this setup now! :)
RCF Evox 12’s are in their own class and sound better than many 2 way speakers with subs. I’ve had my Evox12’s against a Yamaha DXR12/DXS15 combo and a QSC K12.2/KC112 combo and no lie, the evox 12’s were just as powerful and held a better hi/low balance. For me, the ease of portability and equal sound output for weddings up to 250 (I’d even go to 300 in most ballrooms) I’d rather the EVOX12 over many traditional combos. Just my 2c
I totally agree! But Rick Webb Tested Evox 8 only. Is like attempring to do a wedding Using Bose L1 Compact. Will fall short. The good one's are Evox 12
Isn’t it misleading though evo 12 has a tasty 15 inch woofer, like my Yamaha dsr 15s which blows many speakers in this class to bits. You get what you pay for, 2 plastic columns or 2 proper speakers, give me wood anyway.
Get a 15 inch chassis in a wood box, Add a couple of horns a few mid range units, it should sound better than a 12 with single horn but look at most columns, they are a cheap ten with a few drivers out of a plasma tv, absolute junk. Great and honest review thanks.
Thanks for this comment. I recently played a solo acoustic gig with a Bose L1 system and even with the sub it sounded shit. The vocals were very clear but no punch from my kick pedal or guitar. I was turned off column speakers. was gonna go with Yamaha DXR12's as they have a great bass response and I have played many gigs with them. But now I have just discovered the Evox12 and thinking i may get them instead as I have a pair of RCF 310s and they are fantastic speakers. The best sound I have gotten for an acoustic set up. Just lacking a little in the bass department. Is the sub more bass heavy than a 12" speaker like say the DXR?
Everything is dependent on your needs. What size room? How many people? What kind of music? How loud of volume is appropriate? How much weight do you want to carry or put up on stands? This isn’t a one size fits all sort of situation, so any advice only applies to certain situations.
These types of speakers are made for small parties. I totally agree I recently was in the mark for something like these I went with the RCF 945 you don’t need a sub for the small gigs and when I have a bigger gig I just add my RCF subs.
I have heard both the Evolve 50 and the RCF, and the RCF is the best sounding column array speakers I have heard! Especially if you go to the RCF Evox 12! Awesome sound and power! I am not going to spend a bunch of money on column arrays though. I do not believe they will yield more money. I am also simply a classic when it comes to sound. I like my point source 2 way DJ loud speakers! They are tried and true, and the best option for a DJ imo.
Thank you Rick for a good honest review of line array speakers. I was almost going to get a line array system but after this video I will hold off and use my qsc system.
Depends on your needs, I own over 8 systems and EV50's is a awesome tool to have for weddings under 200 people but to say they suck is silly. I do over 120 weddings a year and my 4 white EV50's carry 80% of my weddings while looking and sounding great.
I heard 2 Ev 50 m a few weeks ago I was floored. I myself have anger issues with numerous array speakers but theseEv 50 M are finally the cream of the crop 😮
That depends on the application though, I have two JBL eon ones more likely dedicated to amplify wedding ceremonies/receptions with piano, strings and voice format, also sometimes I amplify a cuban quartet with piano/bass, voice, flute and percussion (with two chorus), most of those events guesting from 30 to 150 people, overall have always had the clients complimenting how beautiful the sound was, clean, sharp, but one day had a friend that desperately needed a sound system to amplify a rock group with voice, keyboard, bass, guitar and a drumkit (which I though wouldn't be something the eon ones would handle), to make it worse I didn't know it was a 400 people event and I were already thinking it was going to be a disaster, but to my surprise they filled the room enough to get heard clearly, even with bass and guitar going straight to the console and coming through the speakers, the sound projection was really good (have to mention I set in ear monitoring that day with an exact mix of the main output so the guys would be able to hear themselves clearly). I understand your point at Dj music though, more likely because you need to have people feeling the music and bass dropping with presence, and that's something that line array systems aren't designed for, they are more likely designed to fill a small-medium place with sound, but they do sacrifice focal SPL for it. Greetings from Colombia!
I am so glad that you stuck your neck out and spoke truth to the realities of column arrays. My application is different, solo acoustic performance versus DJ, but I think your findings are spot on. 1) Tiny speakers don't throw sound. 2) Speakers designed for 180 Degree coverage in effect cover a smaller listening area. 3) Traditional tops are made from better parts (a quality compression driver and a quality woofer). I could geek out more, but I won't. Well done, and I totally agree with your findings.
You might want to add "For DJ's" to your video title. I found your video because I use these speakers too... I'm a performing singer songwriter and wedding singer. I've owned a bunch of column array's including the EV Evolve 50, JBL Eon One, 2 LD Systems Maui 28's, 2 Evox J8s, 2 LD System Curv 500's, Turbo Sound iP300, and the HK Audio Lucas Nano 608i. I've been on a search for the perfect system and keep upgrading or trying the latest and greatest. Your statement that "column arrays suck," may be try for the applications that you need them for, but for a singer songwriter who plays restaurants, coffeehouses, wedding ceremonies and cocktail hours, there's absolutely nothing better. Each one is a tool for a purpose. The iP300 like you mentioned is perfect for a smaller room that has great horizontal coverage. It's light and has full range .. and is cheap. It's not for an outdoor - 200 person coverage that will throw. I use mine all the time for small room coverage, and it works great. My evolve 50 is my powerhorse that I bring with me to bigger venues. It does have that fuller mid sound that the others lack (except for my HK Nano 608i, which is pretty killer, but lacks the wide horizontal dispersion I mostly need). When it comes down to it, the purpose of the column line arrays are to provide Clean, even sound that throws sound decently far, and has decent low end, usually with a huge horizontal dispersion and a narrow vertical dispersion that is very portable and easy to set up, doing away with having to lift 40lb mains on speaker stands/poles. These systems usually don't get sold as pairs, because one system is perfect to supply the sound in the room, pretty evenly. Most of these systems boast a 110 to 180 degree horizontal dispersion, which gives the room a very unified sound, no matter where you are. There are certainly fewer choices for DJs who need to bump things like you mentioned, due to the usual lack of mids. Evolve 50s like you said sound the best in that category. EV said that they waited so long to get into the market, so they would "do it right." Having the 3.5 inch drivers fix the mid problem, as other makes and models are usually 1 - 2.5 inch drivers. I'm sure they'll come out with an extender pole at some point. They already have a mini pole, for when you have to have the unit on a stage, and the regular poles are too high. In conclusion, I don't believe that most of these units are intended for the type of sound you're looking to reproduce. It's almost like using a hammer when you need a phillips head screwdriver, and then saying that hammers suck because they don't fit your need. Just my two cents. Thanks for taking the time to make the review video and giving your feedback. It's great to hear other peoples experiences. All the best!!
Mate. The FBT's are absolute BANGERS! Not even kidding! I've heard the FBT VN2000 system (2x Ventis 206a & 2x Subline 112sa) and they actually blew me away! Yes they are abit pricey BUT it's all worth it in the end! They retail here in the uk for £3,296. Not too sure what your budget is? There are some other alternatives which FBT also sell and iv'e heard them all being demoed. Honestly can't fault any of their products! The team are also super friendly too soo if you have any queries, don't be afraid to send them a message dude! I really cannot recommend FBT enough. I have also heard the RCF evox 8 and to be completely honest with you, the bass actually sounds pretty terrible. I'm not just saying that because I can, but iv'e heard multiple others say the same thing about them. They do go pretty loud but the bass is just too quiet and sounds really mucky at high volume. I don't know. I also really like QSC but that's obviously even more money than the FBT's. Now, 2x NEXO P12 and 2x NEXO L15 just demolishes FBT, QSC, RCF, EV and all the other big brands. No idea how they do it in such a small package but that probably sums up why they cost £14,899!! If you want BASS and POWER then the NEXO systems are definitely the way to go without a doubt hands down but at that price point? You may have some saving up to do 😉 Have fun bro!
I just sold my evox j8's. The j8's sound muddy with the bass because of plastic cabinets. They do work pretty well for people upto 100. I took a chance and gave them a try. It was easy to setup with just one xlr to left and one xlr to right but Iam moving back to traditional top and sub setup now. I know it takes more time to setup than evox j8's and people actually dont care but as a DJ its my job to give them full range sound.
Nice video, thanks. I have compared most of all the systems you mentioned and tend to agree. That being said the only column array systems that approach replacing the capacity of a traditional/typical point source set for 200-300 people are the RCF EVOX 12, and the DB Technologies ES1203. Also and not normally mentioned is the LD Systems Curve 500 TS system, great bang for the buck with 15inch sub. Overall you get what you pay for, buy once cry once I’d say. Thanks again.
Rick it's cool that you did a review on the speakers but that's your choice of speakers. Every speaker has a place for every event, Now, I did the same thing you did when it came to looking for array speakers. For me I picked up the Bose L1-1S and I used them for up to 300 and people love the sound. And I play pretty much the same music you play in your set and I didn't have any drop off of sound. At the time that I was looking EV's wasn't out. So I pick the Bose and I love the sound. 30 days latter the EV evolve 50 came out. The EV's are good just ask the Bose. Now I do like that EV's do EV's 50 in white and I will be getting a pair in the New Year. Once again every speaker has a place some just might better in small rooms than big rooms. Like always Rick you did a good break down in your log...
I'm a musician, not a DJ, but I have a pair of J8s and I run a full electric rock band against a drummer who hits hard and it's not problem and sounds amazing. Maybe we're asking too much of line arrays. If you want that kind of coverage, perhaps you should consider the dB technologies es1203, which is the greatest of the line arrays. Big band, big venue, full sound. I found out about them in DJ forums. They're heavier than any of these but easier to move than typical subs/top caps. Thanks for the reviews!
I just did a 300 person wedding last night with my evolve 50s and 2 things... 1st I agree about not being able to raise them up higher...evolve should make longer sticks for them...i mean its not that hard they already mass produce the ones they are currently making just make them 6 - 12 inches longer. And 2nd my evolves handled the 300 person guest count no problem with sound. I was in one corner of the venue with the dance floor completely packed I went to the opposite corner just to see about the sound and the through the crowd...the sound and bass sounded great...but as I said if the tops were a bit higher it could have sounded a little better
I just purchased the Bose L1, the bass sucks, but I use me Qsc ksub with the Bose L1, and it sounds great. I use this for a small party, 150 and less. Large party I have my QSC 12.2 & 1801 sub
Totally agree. I work with the Bose L1 Model ll a lot and I think the same. For medium events I think it work great, but not if you're looking for a lot of sound pressure level, they can't. Also, for 85dbspl you get a pretty good quality, not the best, but good. For big events, big equipment.
Thanks for confirming that EV Evolve 50 is The Best, in the array series. Wish they handle that height issue. That being said, I like my two 15 inch speakers just fine, teamed with my 15 inch sub.
We have been rockin a pair of Bose L1 model2s with 4 B2 subs for 6 years. True portable line arrays. They deliver a nearly 180 degree, 7 foot high sound wave. They are clean & clear from the front all the way to the back of house. Never had them above 25%. Drawbacks...very expensive & they eliminate conversation areas during prime-time.
Hey Rick, I’ve got the turbo sound ip3000, ip 300s and a pair of evolve ev 50s and they all play a role in my arsenal as needed. On the sub end I use my jbl prx 818 or qsc ks212c as a supplement when needed. If using regular tops I use my turbo sound iq12s. Yes like you i reinvest a bit into my equipment. I like having the right setup for each event I do. Don’t believe in lugging a tank when just a canon will do. Array wise, you should check out the LD systems 500 curve ts that comes with the 15inch dub and variable height sats. I think that will change your mind on portable line arrays. Keep up the great videos and stay safe😷
Evole 50 is more like a line source for the middle and high, the wide coverage is provided by the narrow exit of the phase plug, that's why it has more output when the distence get up
This. This is the most relevant (to me) video I have seen. I am building and condensing (my setup time) and the 50s are an easy, initial choice. After hearing this, makes me reconsider. The hack not mentioned is just set the subs on a lift box....but a better option I am thinking is get some towers and better speakers. Maybe more setup time, and that's sad, bc the evolve 50 loooed to be perfect. After this vid, their mistake totally makes sense. Sucks, cause I was absolutely ready to pull the trigger on the 50s. Now I am thinking of a different plan.
I use Bose L1 arrays for short throw and remote only, and the occasional small venue. You look like you are playing Castle McCulloch, and the room acoustics seem to phase out from the close, hard surfaces at depth, but the SRX 815 and the PRX 815 are my work horses.
Yeah no horn is a no go for me. I'm surprised they used dome tweeters and angled them off axis. That's a double loss in throw for far distances in front of the speakers. The best I've used is Yorkville PS12P pole mounted on the PS15S sub. 2 of each of those and its awesome spl and sound quality that fits in the car for travel. The tops go in my trunk and both subs on the back seats!
Hey Rick, thanks for the video. I love your channel. Have you considered the Turbosound ip 3000? They are aTurbosound’s largest offering in their linear array line. They run about $1,500 apiece, but a first time buyer at Pro Sound & Stage Lighting can get a 15% discount. Each one has two 12” subs built in the base and they are 7’ tall. The problem is they are heavy. If you get a chance to check them out, please do a review on them as I would value your opinion.
They do have supposedly better bass but they are like the ev evolves the array is at and mostly below people's heads and therefore gets absorbed with a packed dance floor
Only column speakers worth a damn are the L Acoustic Syva , K-Array have some nice offerings and d&b audiotechnik got some really nice stuff too. proboably not dj budget though
Most of the systems mentioned in the video are the smaller range models with low to medium RMS (300-500 watts) meant for soloists and duos in seated rooms- their larger more expensive higher powered versions (1000-2000 watts)are more suited to venues where people are standing and absorbing sound. So in other words what he was using was not fit-for-purpose. Speaker placement and height is also important to reach the back of the room.
Thank you for another review. Every speaker has its place. I am a EV lover. The Evolve is not meant for every event. I also have the ETX 15p and 4 18" Subs. I use the Evolves for smaller events, ceremonies, gameshows and trivia. Just my 2 cents..
Ironic their column arrays drop off so sharply since that's the benefit of line array that the sound from the "line" drops off shallower over distance. A reason why they're used in large concerts to project sound over long distances without too much drop is SPL
Rick I own the Turbosound IP1000's and I love them! Very versatile and very portable with a great sound. I find myself taking them to gigs where space or quick set up and breakdown is a concern. Usually events of 100 people or less. That being said, They have never failed to impress. I always get comments on the great sound and clean professional appearance. My 2c. P.S. love your channel
RCF is the (BEST) end of i was looking into others but when it comes columns rcf is the best I have just ordered the nx24-a’s columns with the rcf 8004 subs amazing sound pumps out the bass all day long 😃👍 worth the money
My god. I cant image your bill. I am at the point where shelling out that much doe is just not a smart investment. Although it definitely is one hell of a badass system
I have the turbosound ip2000. they have different modes. when it is time to dance I set it to club mode and I crank up the bass, the treble and lower the mid. sounds great. these are great for live performances using the live mode. I've gotten so many compliments compared to when i had my qscs and qsc sub.
@@branislavxxx7249 how much better depends on your application. The hdm45 has much more power and hits lower because it has a 15 in woofer compared to a 12.
Portability is the key here. But let's forget about it at the moment, would you choose vertical arrays or point source 10s with some 15s basses? For example FBT X Pro 110 and 115?
I'm suspect. I use to work with RCF since 90's. 2 voices, 1 keyboard and all backtracks playing in format MIDI Files, not audio files 16bits 44100 KHz but sequenced in separated module. Now only with Korg PA3x. I've always needed strong kick & Bass and RCF is a Beast. Fidelity is his secret. Any RCF is excellense
Thanks for all your help this year for my gigs. Merry Christmas., I would like to own one for small rooms and background music. those things are light and really cool.
Just picked up a pair of IP300's for small rooms (mixers and public speakers) and for fills where volume can be managed separately from my main system. Loud, clear. Still sorting out the EQ, but appreciate that it can be managed on-board, separate from my main mix out. I very much appreciate your info on Columns, though I too would not rely on them for more of a gig than your Farm. Thank you for your informative Vlogs. Reach out if you have other gear to move. From the Engineering Deck....
I have had my RCF J8's now for a few years. I still like them and I can't imagine an easier system to transport and setup. But I will admit that they struggle for certain types of events. I generally see them about to clip when I do loud hip hop events. It's the heavy bass that causes them to run out of juice. So I found myself bringing along a subwoofer to help with the bottom. Not just for hip hop but also old school funk and house music. So who do I recommend for this system? Wedding DJs! The transport and setup so good that it's worth losing out on a little bass. Besides at those types of events the music will normally not be cranked hard until the last 2 or 3 hours. For a busy wedding DJ, this type of system is ideal considering the fact that you might be doing 4 or more weddings per week. With the J8 you don't need a roadie at all. My stuff fits on 1 cart! Sadly, I am mostly done with weddings. I am doing a gradual retirement where I just do a gig here and there. I am now playing stuff that I want to hear and not playlist anymore. No more line dance stuff for me. So I have two older heavy 15 inch speakers and a sub that I will use. That should be good enough for 3 or 4 "fun" gigs per year.
Old video I know, but I got 2 of the LD Systems P900's designed by Porsche, they are the real deal. Their sound & power is insane for a column. They make my other point source speakers unnecessary except in very large venue and live sound/band applications.
Have you heard the K-Array? Line arrays can do nifty things by manipulating the phase of each speaker but that isn't easy. With one K-Array that saw the brochure, you can project the sound however you want. Line array is a good idea - even those famous Infinity loudspeakers used line arrays. K-Array however costs 16,000 a pair.
Hi Rick, enjoyed your analysis ...nothing like real world users giving it straight. Wonder if you agree with this observation with respect to small line arrays like the LD Maui 5, Bose L1, etc... I feel the scooped mids which these small systems display is almost like a built in "loudness curve" to accommodate the trend of "less obtrusive volume" at live events. I'm 58 and can attest to the gradual decline of live music volume that musicians are allowed, and here is where small line arrays do well...they create an "illusion" of being loud by exaggerated bass and treble. What do you think of my theory?
You should try Db Es1203 amazing sound and bass. Ant B-twig 12 pro also belongs to RCF group. I also try Bose L1 but with 2 bose b2 bass module for each L1 and it was good, intense and hear with same volume and quality in end of room. If you use Bose L1 with only one bass B2 model is good for live musician but not for Dj. But my favorite of all is Db Es 1203 with double 12"sub inside is for sure much more intense than Ev evolve 50.
Evox 8 is very small we sold those, if money is not an issue try RCF Evox 12, I have these and the only other better speakers was NEXO M6. higher, nice bass, also Audio center L65s work really good.
I've heard the FBT version and there good, but I have always said to my collogues that if someone turned up at my wedding with sticks that look like a home HiFi I would be hugely disappointed. I like the idea of the classic looking speaker system with huge output if needed or in other words standard. Personally I would go with the FBT Mitus system that I've heard and if you love bass you wouldn't be disappointed. Ps. Love watching your vid's. If ever I come to America I would really like to hang as a roadie on a couple of your gigs. Huge fan :) :)
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@@asole100 I should make a video on it. But it's more investing into the company similar to if you went to the bank and got a 20k loan to start a business. Instead I just bought it all out right. Nice tax write as well.
How about Bose f1 812 array?
@Dj Rick Webb I completely agree. Heard the same thing from some friends with their own business. Would be a great video btw! Some people trying to start their own business should know.
I totally agree with you that most column arrays suck! Matter of fact they all suck they either fall flat when it comes to bass or they have drop offs or the processing isn't crispy enough. I love the EV's high end hate the flatness of the bose ( but the bose was not made for DJs, it was made for musicians) but they all suck when I comes to bass including DB technologies (specifically the double 12 1203 and 1002 models)
However, I am a fan of the very imperfect IP300. I think you do not need 2 subs and 2 ip300s at the front of the room. That is the point of a column's arrays wide dispersion right? You should only need one.
I would run one sub and one ip300 next to my rig and another ip300 (no sub) at the sound drop off point 50 feet away for longer rooms.
I unlike most djs do not feel the need to have a symmetrical looking setup as long as it sounds good (clients also do not care) but for those that do care, just run some powerful 10s over your 15 inch subs.
1 Ip300 over 1 Yamaha dxs 15, with one IP300 on a stand (using your wireless system) for side fill is more than enough for most rooms (100-175 guests) because the bass will travel during dinner and cocktail and the wide dispersion of the the Ip 300.
I don't think they suck. I think what DJ's and bands don't understand about column arrays is that they are not designed to throw sound. They are designed for wider sound dispersion. These aren't meant for throwing sound, it's designed to more evenly distribute sound over a wider area. I like using them for smaller wedding because you create a hot spot of sound on the dance floor and the back of the room isn't too loud for casual conversation. You just have to understand the different applications.
That's not how dispersion works.
Lame!!!
Tell them. they are beauties. awesome
finally someone who understands and has noticed what's going on. i only ever hear a lot of bass, pressure, etc. not suitable for weddings and birthday parties anyway, but to supply the people with a wide range of efficiency. what a dj always does will is completely uninteresting, people say so, but most of them don't understand it anyway
It's all about application people. You need to know the specs. on the speaker(s) and use them to that specific situation. Also you get what you pat for- don't pay for cheap equipment and wonder why you can't get better sound. Do your homework and pay a little more. You will not regret it afterwards!
Just a quick scan of the comments section, I didn't notice anyone addressing the "Science" of why these types of speakers don't cut it.
A couple things . . .
No horns. Horns are designed to throw sound at distance. While some of these units have some pretty awesome tweeters, they are not really designed to Throw Sound.
Lack of Height. You touched on this a little. Mid-Highs and Highs should ALWAYS be at 6', (1.8 m) Minimum. Low frequencies should be "Felt". High frequencies should be "Heard". When the Highs are hitting the crowd, bodies quickly absorb those frequencies leaving nothing for the back.
My 2¢
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This is accurate.
Depends on use I suppose. I have The RCF EVOX J8's and I have no complaints. They look a 100 times better than the ol tripods and sound just as good. Now would I do large venues with them...probably not. But do they beat the old school PA speakers for smaller gigs...absolutely. They spread better and dont have the hot spots. This video goes along with the "facades suck" video. That is just YOUR opinion.
100% agree I have the evox 8. Perfect for weddings. Would I use em for sweet 16s no. Hip hop wedding? Maybe depends on size. Most weddings you want to use back fills cause the people sitting don’t need loud music. Agree with the facade too whoever is gonna use whatever and all that matters is the music
The IP300s are not horn loaded tweeters. There's only so much you can do with these size speakers without horn loading. They are intended to have super even coverage 180 degrees around them, and they do that extremely well. I use them for events that need background sound or speech where radial coverage is important. They just aren't built for distance projection. They sound phenomenal in their coverage range, and are very very even 180 degrees across the front of the speakers, they just aren't set up for typical dance floor stuff. The ip300s are much better for fills around a room (or outdoors) for ambient music or speech, particularly when people are moving around the area rather than seated or standing in fixed areas. Other concern using ip300s near each other is comb filtering due to the broad coverage, but again, they're really better suited to setting up around a room or event for audience fill.
I've used a pair of Evolve50 column arrays for about 2 years, since they came out. Never had problems with them, even outdoors having to cover an area of about 60 wide by 100 long. Where they do drop off in higher volumes is in the low end. I just set them up on top of 2 18"subs and problem solved, good height and perfect bass to go with them. Side note. I've been working in Broadcast for about 7 years. From camera op to engineering assistant and even audio. I went to school for it and learned audio from an audio engineer with multiple Emmy awards. Trust me, I know what I'm doing and the Evolve50's are great.
Nice review. But the whole idea of array systems is to be compact set up. So now you need to add more subs. Kinda defeats the whole idea.
Yeah that's basically what I pointed out that you need to add subs to get them higher and add base. But now your like 5k into a DJ system. When you could buy traditional tops and only spend 3k. Wiser investment possibly
@@donatfairs204 I only ad subs when it's outdoor or a bigger crowd than the Evolve50's are meant for. Low frequencies drop about 3db every 10 feet. Specially outdoors where there's no walls for it to bounce off of.
A true column array is defined in part by the vertical spacing of the drivers. Just because a cabinet looks like a column array, does not mean it will exhibit column array characteristics including tight vertical pattern control (for more consistent SPL front to back), wide horizontal coverage and a much higher immunity to feedback. Just like any SOS, there are both good and bad. The RCF EVOX line is where column arrays start to sound good, now include the FBT CS1000, RCF NXL-24a, dB Technologies ES1002 and 1203 and you have plenty of good choices. Want better then check out Renkus Heinz IC Live and RCF NXL 44-a and you will forget about your PRX’s pretty quickly. Keep in mind some of the column arrays that don’t fit your needs are the perfect solution for acoustic live performances, more so than POS speakers.
How much are those RCF NXL 44-a? As much or more than the PRX's?
Say hey Scott! I’m an acoustic guitarist one man band. Been staring (on TH-cam video) at the Db Technologies es1203. Could you recommend this or something even better? I’ll be playing in NYC for packed crowds both indoors and on rooftop lounges. To keep up with the pressure of playing for totally hip and cool New Yorkers I HAVE to have something totally amazing. Can you help me? Thanks for your thread!!!
@@ironman1290 Hi Ed - if you want to stay with the column array form factor, the DB1203 and LD Systems MAUI 44 G2 are both very formidable, and standouts among a crowded field of units in the under $ 2,500 range. I don't know your budget, but a step above that would be the LD Systems P900 ($4k per unit). Both of these LD Systems would fit the description of "have to have something totally amazing". And if that Isn't enough, you can always go with the L'Acoustics Syva and Syva Low system. This is not a self powered system and would REQUIRE one of their processed amps (e.g. LA4X). One Syva, one Syva Low and LA4X amp would set you back close to $ 18k - $20k (maybe more). Hope this helps.
@@hibbasc1 This totally helps. Thanks a million, Scott!! Cheers…!!!
@@ironman1290 Glad to hear it!!!
Thanks Rick! I've been using a pair of Evolve 50's for almost a year. Mostly 150 person weddings. Love them overall. Brides, planners, venue reps all love the aesthetic, and many tell me (placebo or not) that they sound better than boxes on sticks. Sure, I have my ETX 15sp subs for when I need more than the Evolve's can give me on low end--but that's going to be true with any column array setup that isn't crazy expensive. One thing you didn't mention is that column arrays are much less susceptible to feedback--and since every FOB or MOH giving a speech/toast likes to stand right in front of the speaker with the mic 18" from their mouth, I've had WAY less feedback issues. I also can hear my Evolve's from behind the speakers way better than I could with a traditional point-source, which is helpful for beat matching for me. All in all they're the best for me--but you're not wrong about the height. I wish I could get them higher. Never crossed my mind to put the ELX200-12's under them--that could be a future investment. I was already thinking about getting one or two of those to put beside one of the Evolve's, turning off the sub on the other Evolve to get rid of the power-alley/nulls you get with stereo subs. Anyway--keep the videos coming.
I always watch you and other TH-cam DJ's talking about what speakers to use and always reviewing new setups, but there one brand I've probably never seen any of you use and I'm curious as to why. QSC. Aside from the pair of Evolve50's I use, QSC is my go to brand. The k12.2 tops are great, loud, clear and even at higher volumes and projecting far, they don't destroy the people up close. If you wanted to make a compact system, I'd go for a pair of k10.2 or k8.2 tops with either a ks112 or a ks212 sub. Even with a ks212 sub and a k8.2 top, you'd barely be just over the price of a single evolve 50 while getting more output and more reach with the QSC setup.
Here is mine and a lot of other DJs problems with qsc. It sounds auto tuned. Qsc messes with the sound in there processing and makes it sound a lot different then the raw track. Other then that its clean and loud it just fs with the audio
Just heard the RCF's at a wedding and they sound tinny, you need bass at ear level, sub woofers just can't produce mid lows at distance.
I have been using the EVOX J8 (pair) for a few months now, very happy with them. Great sound quality and more than enough bass output. I have had no problem hitting the back of the room at 120'. Much more bass output than the evolve 50s. Very quick and easy setup as well. Wide coverage pattern for the tops, 120 degrees. Had been using an ELX200 powered set (10" tops and 12" subs powered) much prefer the J8's. Easier setup, less weight. My only complaint is the tops do not go as high frequency wise as traditional horn loaded tops. But still very clear.
Scott Gleisner I use the same setup with 2 J8 for most of my wedding gigs less than 250 ppl. Walk in and setup is a breeze, don’t need to lug around 15-18” subs. Never had an issue with drop off since coverage of the venue is awesome on these. If I want to add bump, I bring an extra 12-15” sub, but the my type of gigs aren’t “club” playlists. I’ve had the privilege of doing a 400+ wedding in a museum, but I was fortunate enough to be able to borrow 5 Meyer sound upm and upj speakers and only need 2 15” subs. Everyone needs to try the column array and see if it fits the type of music and events. I have had a great .5 year on my 2 j8 and my back as well as my minivan thanks me for investing in the RCFs.
I love the RCF Evox J8s for weddings. The white version looks great and if you put a PAR in front of the J8 it lights up with the color of the PAR. I did a wedding with about 250 people and they worked quit well. Weddings are not like EDM for high school kids who want the room to rattle. At a wedding you want the dance floor to sound great and the people visiting off of the dance floor to be able to have conversation. Just EQ the J8 properly and you will be VERY happy with them. Also, transporting the RCF Evox J8 is soooo easy to transport and set up.
I have EV Evolve 50s and I have rocked 200+ weddings for over four hours. So to say they don’t work is ridiculous.
Y’all can keep your subs and tops. I would love to have some for school dances which I occasionally still do. However, I use the EVs because they are easy to set up and don’t overtake the room from a wedding aesthetic aspect. That’s my niche and selling point to brides who are looking for fun without the DJ overpowering their decor.
Thank you for your videos, Rick. I always appreciate your insights because you seem to do much research.
Cheers!
That's funny I counter sell brides on that saying they may look nice but they dont sound as good as mine. But were both in the right mind of it's all about the sell really.
I have a bunch of speaker systems and the EV Evolve 50 are fantastic for most smaller to medium sized events. They sound warm, cover well, and are not harsh to listen to if they are EQed properly. I see these DJs bring in all the speakers on a stick configurations, and most of the time they are too harsh for the room, they don’t dial back the high end and just want gut busting bass which is good for some applications but not all. Transport for the Evolves is fantastic, they get plenty loud for my events, just know you will not fill a gym or large a hall with them. DJs need to stop worrying about what others have and use what works for them. I’m not going to buy all new heavy speakers and subs when the room doesn’t need that, or the client doesn’t really care about the newest tech in the speaker. Aesthetics matter to most people that’s why I really enjoy the Evolves, and they work very well for me. Research the physics of speakers and you will be amazed that 18s are sometimes not the best solution, when a band pass 12 can handle the same situation. Coupling subs add 3db of gain, most DJs don’t do that, which I don’t know why. To each there own.
I use (2) J8’s for my 6-piece band. He’s right in that for normal weddings and club gigs of 150 or less, it works very well. But for some of the bigger clubs we do up in Boston (200-300) they cants handle the crowd and we end up adding (2) 15” subs, a couple smaller LD arrays and some 15” tops. I honestly wish the Evox 12’s were much cheaper as those would likely work better.
Overall, when the crowd is the right size, the J8’s sound amazing and are very well balanced. You just might want to consider something else for larger crowds.
Bruh... Thank you for this video!!! I was looking into and considering possibly purchasing a column array setup... or two. I'll stick with my four(4) EV EKX 15P mains. You nailed this topic. Well done.
I love my RCF EVOX J8s, and I've used them from small to medium sized venues, but I also have the 18 subs with 15 tops for larger venues. What works for some, may not work for all....just saying, if opinions were that important, I think the Adj event table sucks.....but, that's just me...Rock On Rick, you're still alright in my book....lol
I bought the RCF Evox 12's. Better base, solid sound, adjustable poles, and can use them for small or larger crowds. A little larger, and more $, but still easy to move around and don't need large inventory of speakers for different kinds of events.
I'm 55 years old and old-school. Just converted back to vinyl. I always wanted a speaker system like those array design speaker because they are easy to carry around. I just picked up a pair of 18 inch subwoofers to go with my 4 conventional 12 inch and 15 inch horn speakers. For me the bigger the better. I'm a rack mount guy and digital keyboard player. Going for the pro sound 🔊
Great information!
@@eagleray4675 Electro-Voice would be the only self powered speakers l would consider.
I sold live pro audio gear for 12+ years and worked as a musician, sound tech, and DJ.
I would never recommend the compact line array speakers for DJs but they do work extremely well in certain applications.
The compact line arrays work great for the following criteria:
Small 1 to 4 piece bands playing in smaller venues.
As you stated, they don’t throw sound as well in a large room with people standing/dancing but they work phenomenal for even coverage in a room where people are sitting and listening to a small band or acoustic performance.
If you notice a lot of ads and pictures of the compact array speakers usually show a solo musician performing.
This is an optimal system for the solo artist or small band to load and setup for the proper gig.
I also agree with your opinion on the EV arrays. I’ve seen several groups and a solo artist take 1 in a small building to perform inside a church and it worked and sound great.
The height of the top array on the EV is lower but if you think about it that is usually a non issue when in the proper venue. Most people are sitting so coverage is still optimal.
Steve Kelly RICK your boy JoeBunn is all about the EV’s, I’m confident your opinion has changed.
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I couldnt agree less. Now I would agree the ones you tested are not the greatest. But there are a few now that do actually sound great. I am currently rocking the JBL PRX ONE and this thing is a room shaker and great for small to mid sized rooms and can easily handle up to a room of 80 people, (With just one Speaker) and if you pair them up you can handle couple of hundred. I DJ every week with these and I have no complaints. Plus entire setup and breakdown is under 15 minutes. Plus I can carry everything in one trip in and out.
I own a pair and yes, they sound awesome
Agreed. Glorified home-theater speaker setup. My 15" Yamahas can bang a room even without a subwoofer.
I own the Evox 8 and J8. I can tell you that the bass is not slamming. It's there but keep in mind that all you have pushing bass is two 12 inch woofers. They are really woofers and not subwoofers. A K12 would give you the same bass if it was on the floor. So there are many gigs where a sub will be needed with a small array system. I use a 15 inch RCF sub but an 18 would be even better.
I went with a portable array for several reasons. #1 right out front is portability. I love how easy they are to transport, setup and breakdown. The 2nd reason is that you do get good sound. A well designed array tends to throw further and has slightly wider coverage 120 vs 90 degree).
I measured mine with a sound meter and got a whopping 6 to 9 db more at 50 feet over a regular top and sub. I stood at the back of the ballroom during the wedding toast. For the first time we could all hear the toast and bridal party speeches very clearly.
Great wisdom Rick! I just cannot justify moving to columns after investing in QSC 12s and KSC112 sub. But I do envy the space saving and convenience that columns offer. That’s something some part time DJs without dedicated wagons to transport and big garages to store may consider as important.
I enjoy nerding out about speakers! I heard the Evolve 50s at a wedding, and my take as a sound engineer is that overall, they sound great! However, there's only so much thump you can get out of a 12" woofer, and in the large room they were playing in, there just wasn't the visceral impact felt in the floor. The Evolve 50s are meant to be light and portable (per EV reps on the EV roadshow a few years back). For a smaller room, or applications where you don't need impactful bass, they'll be just great! For larger rooms, I'd probably supplement them with some 18s. I use all EV ETX speakers, and the ETX-18SP subs deliver that visceral impact.
If you really want the best in column speakers, L'Acoustics SYVA is probably the best one... And it comes with a price tag to match (about $30,000)!
A pair of the RCF EVOX 12, coupled with one RCF 18" 708 sub is the magic combination. Process it with the DBX Driverack PA2 and my clients are happy and so impressed!!! I also use HK Audio Nano 300 speakers as a monitor for large events and that system also serves as a separate system or even a backup if necessary.
I’ve just been helping on an install and we used some of the RCF ones as front side fills and they throw very well for the size of the cabinets. I don’t think they will replace a normal point source just yet so we used some Meyers for mains but for delays or fills these are an amazing buy.
Thanks Rick. I spoke with Mojoe this week as well. Took the plunge and bought a pair of RCF J8. I rarely do larger than 200, and when I do, I have a much larger rig to do so. Personal preference is important, and heavy lifting is out for me, back surgery. I also returned my alto stealth haha. They’ll be delivered Tuesday I gig with them on Friday. I’ll let you know.
I have the Evox8 and 12s and I can attest that the Evox 12s are worth the money. I was very hesitant to buy em because of the price. But I got a good deal $3500 for the pair with bags and they were worth every cent.
My problem, after 2 gigs with the Evox 8 is, no mids and power alley, no bass on the dancefloor but sideways.
I put them side to side with my 710a mk4 and 702as clustered in the centre, and yes, the evox looks better, but in sound quality and pressure the classic setup wins big time.
A better option might be the DB ES 1203 in stereo setup. Bigger drivers, 4 inch, and 1 double 12 sub.
I’m right there with you! Bass!!!! You need bass for dance music period. We have been needing a video like this for a while thanks Ricky keep those record spin bra
Don't they have woofers in the base of these things? (Not that it's necessarily well engineered... Most companies don't care about bass extension.)
@@stevenswall The Evolve bass cabs actually sound dam impressive for a 12"...but it's no 18 and the tops are what really ruins it. If people like pointing their tops directly into other's ears, have fun with that.
Dont raise the cones, just use more boxes? Get a delay line going and time align them
I've been DJing since 1998 so I guess 25 years, and I just don't understand why anyone would expect a few 3 or 4 inch speakers on top a 12" sub to be as loud or powerful as a traditional 15" mid with a horn and subs. I think these are nice for cocktail hour or a ceremony or what I like to do is put one of them on the other end of the room.
No matter what speakers you have the sound is always louder 15 or 20 feet out than 40 or 50 so by putting an array on the other end of the room you can better balance the sound throughout the room, which is definitely helpful during dinner when ppl can't move away from the dance floor but you need the sound loud enough to fill the room
I own Turbosound IP3000 system and absolutely love them.. 7ft tall in height, the throw is amazing and they have more bass than the competition out there.. I would highly recommend checking in to the IP3000 system over everything that you have named
If the bottom of the array was 7ft tall we be talking but the bottom of the array is at like 5ft.
I run two Evolve 50s and an EKX 18 sub, I have no issues with volume or body to my sound. The height of the poles on the Evolves is not an issue, they are menat to throw sound and that they do well.
Ip300s are phenomenal fam. The throw and the spread of sound is so loud and clear. Make sure u turn them up on the speaker themself and not just with your mixer. I love them! Not for u Rick lol but anyone else in the comments lurking .
Try the L-Acoustics Syva. Quite a bit more expensive, but I have always been impressed with their products
Yeah I am aware. But when you start getting into that money discussion.... you really got to consider what your getting versus what your spending. We are all here to make money so investments are crucial
DJ Rick Web maybe selling your prx speakers can get you one of these things. Problem is you need more money for amps. But note this
A rental company owner (loves Jbl and hates l acoustics) admitted that the syva was impressive. Note he normally uses jbl vtx so i would def take advice from him
I bought 2 Chinese vertical array Master-G Pro 210. They cost me $170 each, they are clearly targeted as a home use sound system, and the build quality is not the best. But doing some modifications to the enclosure they turned being better than the Jbl eon one. I use them as cocktail speakers and they do their job, i got my investment back in 2 gigs
Donde los. compraste?.. En Chile?.. Que tipo de modificación les hiciste?..
@@Amatteus si en Chile, los compre el 2019. Les puse sellante en todas las juntas internas de la caja, porque se escapaba aire. Finalmente las vendi.
It seems to me that the EV Evolve 50 can be used in conjunction with 18 '' subs. Put Evolve 50 on the subwoofer. This is for those times when there are a lot of people on the dance floor and you don't feel like lugging larger speakers for subwoofers. Firstly, the height of the array changes, secondly, you get a high-quality poke from the 12 '' Evolve speaker (the 18 '' speaker does not poke), thirdly, you get a sub-bass from 18 '', in the fourth, you do not need to drag additional speakers, and Evolve 50 to be used at the ceremony, and then transferred to the main hall. The connection is elementary.
I saw the EV evolve 50 and was excited about getting them, however I ended up with the RCF evox J8's and love them. I supplement them with a single 18" JBL sub, and end up with the extra bass reflex for the songs that demand it at gigs.
Hi Rick Web. I have the Ev Evolve 50 and I use them on smaller event around 100 people. 100+ people I use my Bose L1 Model 2 with B2 base module (I own two of those ) with the Bose T4 Tonemach I love the speakers and I use them on most of my events. When I got bigger party 250, 300 people I'm adding two of my Bose F1 woofers to the L1 or I make some changes to the Bose F1 base bracket and I can install my QscK 12.2 on the top of the Bose F1 woofers and that sounds really good. Love your videos . Thank you.
Rcf their trow are great. If you pair this with a sub they sound great.
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The volume drop that you say you've experienced is a bit strange for an array system. Are you sure you didn't had any phase cancellation problem instead?
We didnt I ran multiple trials in open parking lots with my buddies prior to using. We noticed it but since we were blasting at full volume I didnt consider how drastic that would effect lower volume usage cases like cocktail/dinner
The volume drop is idd caused by the angled speakers.
I use the bose L1’s, love them, but you have to work differently with them. I spread them out, so they fill the room, don’t need to “throw” the sound.
It’s an other way of working, doesn’t sound as bassy though. But unfortunatly, here in Belgium, we have really have “a lot of complaining neighbours” 😂
@@DJRickWeb they aren't designed for outside as sound engineer in the biz for over 35 years you're wrong on this one Rick. The big black box speakers at every wedding isn't necessary these days or pleasing to the eye. Check the photographer pics and look how they shoot around your system when they can. As a young DJ I think you post things just to get a reaction. The EV50's EQ'ed correctly are great wedding speakers.
Rick, go for the RCF Evox 12. I have them and I love the sound and portability. if you're going to go the route of the Evox 8 or the J8, might as well go for the 12's.
I do not have any experience with these but it looked like to me they both have a similar amplifier with only a 2 db difference. Without hearing them in person I would be inclined to steer towards the DB Technologies es1203 at that price point. What do you think?
@@thebuildcave8967 the evox-12 would still be a better bet. db tech isnt bad but its not necessarily worth the price not to mention have fun repairing them.
1 you should try DB Technologies models, there are double 12" bass unit so it pretty loud
2 columns never get the result of a speaker with compression driver horn loaded
3 why you experiment with column arrays? Just take a pair of RCF 745 or HDM 45 and forget about everything, this are the most versatile and universal and powerful and light enough to carry one man.
Just exploring the realm. Seeing why so many people are so miserable informed into thinking they are actually any good
@@DJRickWeb
Because not everybody has larger events, large disco and highschoolevents as their main events. There 're a lot of mobile dj's that do parties in small to medium sized rooms (50-120 guests) and do so very happily with one or two Maui LD 28 G or Evox 50 column arrays.
Also, many dj's seem to get tired of or are getting back troubles from carrying heavy subs, lifting tops and scrimming tripods every (smaller) gig.
I follow British and German dj groups and see that there are a lot of dj's succesfully and happily doing parties with column array systems. If all of these systems would 'suck', how can that be...?
I personally use the Carvin TRX3903 columns for my pro audio company. Running bands from bars and shows all the way up to outside distances of 750' the volume stays very constant. Carvin recently started making their columns again and I highly recommend them! It'll give you 18 full range drivers per side. They are the best and most affordable columns out there!!
Hi Rick. I got the same feeling as you about evolve50. I love mine! But when the dancefloor is packed with +100 guests, evolve50 doesn't deliver in the back of the crowd. I just bought 2 x EKX-15SP to put under my evolve50. It did a massive change! Ofc to the bass itself, but also the evolve50 top plays so much loader than before because the array center is higher up. I'm really happy for this setup now! :)
Nice. That's the way to go. Mind sending me a pic on instagram or facebook? I have never seen a setup with subs under the evolves only heard of it.
RCF Evox 12’s are in their own class and sound better than many 2 way speakers with subs. I’ve had my Evox12’s against a Yamaha DXR12/DXS15 combo and a QSC K12.2/KC112 combo and no lie, the evox 12’s were just as powerful and held a better hi/low balance. For me, the ease of portability and equal sound output for weddings up to 250 (I’d even go to 300 in most ballrooms) I’d rather the EVOX12 over many traditional combos. Just my 2c
I totally agree! But Rick Webb Tested Evox 8 only. Is like attempring to do a wedding Using Bose L1 Compact. Will fall short. The good one's are Evox 12
Isn’t it misleading though evo 12 has a tasty 15 inch woofer, like my Yamaha dsr 15s which blows many speakers in this class to bits. You get what you pay for, 2 plastic columns or 2 proper speakers, give me wood anyway.
Get a 15 inch chassis in a wood box, Add a couple of horns a few mid range units, it should sound better than a 12 with single horn but look at most columns, they are a cheap ten with a few drivers out of a plasma tv, absolute junk. Great and honest review thanks.
Thanks for this comment. I recently played a solo acoustic gig with a Bose L1 system and even with the sub it sounded shit. The vocals were very clear but no punch from my kick pedal or guitar. I was turned off column speakers. was gonna go with Yamaha DXR12's as they have a great bass response and I have played many gigs with them. But now I have just discovered the Evox12 and thinking i may get them instead as I have a pair of RCF 310s and they are fantastic speakers. The best sound I have gotten for an acoustic set up. Just lacking a little in the bass department. Is the sub more bass heavy than a 12" speaker like say the DXR?
Everything is dependent on your needs. What size room? How many people? What kind of music? How loud of volume is appropriate? How much weight do you want to carry or put up on stands? This isn’t a one size fits all sort of situation, so any advice only applies to certain situations.
These types of speakers are made for small parties. I totally agree I recently was in the mark for something like these I went with the RCF 945 you don’t need a sub for the small gigs and when I have a bigger gig I just add my RCF subs.
I have heard both the Evolve 50 and the RCF, and the RCF is the best sounding column array speakers I have heard! Especially if you go to the RCF Evox 12! Awesome sound and power! I am not going to spend a bunch of money on column arrays though. I do not believe they will yield more money. I am also simply a classic when it comes to sound. I like my point source 2 way DJ loud speakers! They are tried and true, and the best option for a DJ imo.
Agree
Thank you Rick for a good honest review of line array speakers. I was almost going to get a line array system but after this video I will hold off and use my qsc system.
stick with what works
these arent line arrays. these are column arrays. big difference.
Thanks for the video my man. I'm in the process of buying new speakers. Keep the videos coming
Just buy EKK's. 12's and 18's
Depends on your needs, I own over 8 systems and EV50's is a awesome tool to have for weddings under 200 people but to say they suck is silly. I do over 120 weddings a year and my 4 white EV50's carry 80% of my weddings while looking and sounding great.
Have you ever used the Bose L1 with B2 subs? They were the best speakers I have ever used. Great for up to 175 people. I now have the RCF evox J8's.
I heard 2 Ev 50 m a few weeks ago I was floored. I myself have anger issues with numerous array speakers but theseEv 50 M are finally the cream of the crop 😮
That depends on the application though, I have two JBL eon ones more likely dedicated to amplify wedding ceremonies/receptions with piano, strings and voice format, also sometimes I amplify a cuban quartet with piano/bass, voice, flute and percussion (with two chorus), most of those events guesting from 30 to 150 people, overall have always had the clients complimenting how beautiful the sound was, clean, sharp, but one day had a friend that desperately needed a sound system to amplify a rock group with voice, keyboard, bass, guitar and a drumkit (which I though wouldn't be something the eon ones would handle), to make it worse I didn't know it was a 400 people event and I were already thinking it was going to be a disaster, but to my surprise they filled the room enough to get heard clearly, even with bass and guitar going straight to the console and coming through the speakers, the sound projection was really good (have to mention I set in ear monitoring that day with an exact mix of the main output so the guys would be able to hear themselves clearly). I understand your point at Dj music though, more likely because you need to have people feeling the music and bass dropping with presence, and that's something that line array systems aren't designed for, they are more likely designed to fill a small-medium place with sound, but they do sacrifice focal SPL for it.
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I personally believe that column array speakers are more suited for a home theater system.
The speaker arrays used in home theater systems are different, they are called LINE arrays, they are suited for closer more accurate directioning
I am so glad that you stuck your neck out and spoke truth to the realities of column arrays. My application is different, solo acoustic performance versus DJ, but I think your findings are spot on. 1) Tiny speakers don't throw sound. 2) Speakers designed for 180 Degree coverage in effect cover a smaller listening area. 3) Traditional tops are made from better parts (a quality compression driver and a quality woofer). I could geek out more, but I won't. Well done, and I totally agree with your findings.
I got the EVOX 12s. They are pricey but amazing with a driverack eq amazing. Even without EQ amazing
You might want to add "For DJ's" to your video title. I found your video because I use these speakers too... I'm a performing singer songwriter and wedding singer. I've owned a bunch of column array's including the EV Evolve 50, JBL Eon One, 2 LD Systems Maui 28's, 2 Evox J8s, 2 LD System Curv 500's, Turbo Sound iP300, and the HK Audio Lucas Nano 608i. I've been on a search for the perfect system and keep upgrading or trying the latest and greatest.
Your statement that "column arrays suck," may be try for the applications that you need them for, but for a singer songwriter who plays restaurants, coffeehouses, wedding ceremonies and cocktail hours, there's absolutely nothing better. Each one is a tool for a purpose. The iP300 like you mentioned is perfect for a smaller room that has great horizontal coverage. It's light and has full range .. and is cheap. It's not for an outdoor - 200 person coverage that will throw. I use mine all the time for small room coverage, and it works great. My evolve 50 is my powerhorse that I bring with me to bigger venues. It does have that fuller mid sound that the others lack (except for my HK Nano 608i, which is pretty killer, but lacks the wide horizontal dispersion I mostly need).
When it comes down to it, the purpose of the column line arrays are to provide Clean, even sound that throws sound decently far, and has decent low end, usually with a huge horizontal dispersion and a narrow vertical dispersion that is very portable and easy to set up, doing away with having to lift 40lb mains on speaker stands/poles. These systems usually don't get sold as pairs, because one system is perfect to supply the sound in the room, pretty evenly. Most of these systems boast a 110 to 180 degree horizontal dispersion, which gives the room a very unified sound, no matter where you are.
There are certainly fewer choices for DJs who need to bump things like you mentioned, due to the usual lack of mids. Evolve 50s like you said sound the best in that category. EV said that they waited so long to get into the market, so they would "do it right." Having the 3.5 inch drivers fix the mid problem, as other makes and models are usually 1 - 2.5 inch drivers. I'm sure they'll come out with an extender pole at some point. They already have a mini pole, for when you have to have the unit on a stage, and the regular poles are too high.
In conclusion, I don't believe that most of these units are intended for the type of sound you're looking to reproduce. It's almost like using a hammer when you need a phillips head screwdriver, and then saying that hammers suck because they don't fit your need.
Just my two cents. Thanks for taking the time to make the review video and giving your feedback. It's great to hear other peoples experiences.
All the best!!
Very true. Thanks for the input. my following is like all DJs so nice to see another type of person finding my videos.
@@DJRickWeb I totally get it!! I really appreciate your review =)
Mate. The FBT's are absolute BANGERS! Not even kidding! I've heard the FBT VN2000 system (2x Ventis 206a & 2x Subline 112sa) and they actually blew me away! Yes they are abit pricey BUT it's all worth it in the end! They retail here in the uk for £3,296. Not too sure what your budget is? There are some other alternatives which FBT also sell and iv'e heard them all being demoed. Honestly can't fault any of their products! The team are also super friendly too soo if you have any queries, don't be afraid to send them a message dude! I really cannot recommend FBT enough. I have also heard the RCF evox 8 and to be completely honest with you, the bass actually sounds pretty terrible. I'm not just saying that because I can, but iv'e heard multiple others say the same thing about them. They do go pretty loud but the bass is just too quiet and sounds really mucky at high volume. I don't know. I also really like QSC but that's obviously even more money than the FBT's. Now, 2x NEXO P12 and 2x NEXO L15 just demolishes FBT, QSC, RCF, EV and all the other big brands. No idea how they do it in such a small package but that probably sums up why they cost £14,899!! If you want BASS and POWER then the NEXO systems are definitely the way to go without a doubt hands down but at that price point? You may have some saving up to do 😉 Have fun bro!
Thus while I'll stick to traditional speakers cause in business I am trying to actually make money not spend it lol
I got the RCF and im so happy with them!!! The RCF is the way to go!!! It blew my mind, how the sound!!!
8 or 12
@@DJRickWeb i got the j8!!!
We have the RCF TTL6, NXL24, and the Evox 8. They all rock for their purposes. Especially the TTL6’s!
I just sold my evox j8's. The j8's sound muddy with the bass because of plastic cabinets. They do work pretty well for people upto 100. I took a chance and gave them a try. It was easy to setup with just one xlr to left and one xlr to right but Iam moving back to traditional top and sub setup now. I know it takes more time to setup than evox j8's and people actually dont care but as a DJ its my job to give them full range sound.
Nice video, thanks.
I have compared most of all the systems you mentioned and tend to agree.
That being said the only column array systems that approach replacing the capacity of a traditional/typical point source set for 200-300 people are the RCF EVOX 12, and the DB Technologies ES1203.
Also and not normally mentioned is the LD Systems Curve 500 TS system, great bang for the buck with 15inch sub.
Overall you get what you pay for, buy once cry once I’d say. Thanks again.
Rick it's cool that you did a review on the speakers but that's your choice of speakers. Every speaker has a place for every event, Now, I did the same thing you did when it came to looking for array speakers. For me I picked up the Bose L1-1S and I used them for up to 300 and people love the sound. And I play pretty much the same music you play in your set and I didn't have any drop off of sound. At the time that I was looking EV's wasn't out. So I pick the Bose and I love the sound. 30 days latter the EV evolve 50 came out. The EV's are good just ask the Bose. Now I do like that EV's do EV's 50 in white and I will be getting a pair in the New Year. Once again every speaker has a place some just might better in small rooms than big rooms. Like always Rick you did a good break down in your log...
Nah, they just don't have it. They just don't be have it. Nah. Ah ah. 🤣
I'm a musician, not a DJ, but I have a pair of J8s and I run a full electric rock band against a drummer who hits hard and it's not problem and sounds amazing. Maybe we're asking too much of line arrays. If you want that kind of coverage, perhaps you should consider the dB technologies es1203, which is the greatest of the line arrays. Big band, big venue, full sound. I found out about them in DJ forums. They're heavier than any of these but easier to move than typical subs/top caps.
Thanks for the reviews!
I just did a 300 person wedding last night with my evolve 50s and 2 things...
1st I agree about not being able to raise them up higher...evolve should make longer sticks for them...i mean its not that hard they already mass produce the ones they are currently making just make them 6 - 12 inches longer. And 2nd my evolves handled the 300 person guest count no problem with sound. I was in one corner of the venue with the dance floor completely packed I went to the opposite corner just to see about the sound and the through the crowd...the sound and bass sounded great...but as I said if the tops were a bit higher it could have sounded a little better
why not build a 12in step for them?
I just purchased the Bose L1, the bass sucks, but I use me Qsc ksub with the Bose L1, and it sounds great. I use this for a small party, 150 and less. Large party I have my QSC 12.2 & 1801 sub
Hello Rick...
Have you now heard the Turbosound iNSPIRE iP3000's...???
If so, what is your opinion...???
Haven't heard
Totally agree. I work with the Bose L1 Model ll a lot and I think the same. For medium events I think it work great, but not if you're looking for a lot of sound pressure level, they can't. Also, for 85dbspl you get a pretty good quality, not the best, but good. For big events, big equipment.
I would never use any Bose equipment for an event. I actually disagree with this guy…the ev evolve 50 rocks!
Thanks for confirming that EV Evolve 50 is The Best, in the array series. Wish they handle that height issue. That being said, I like my two 15 inch speakers just fine, teamed with my 15 inch sub.
That could be something that easily be dealt with by EV. & could make revenue selling replacement piles as upgrades or accessories.
We have been rockin a pair of Bose L1 model2s with 4 B2 subs for 6 years. True portable line arrays. They deliver a nearly 180 degree, 7 foot high sound wave. They are clean & clear from the front all the way to the back of house. Never had them above 25%. Drawbacks...very expensive & they eliminate conversation areas during prime-time.
Hey Rick, I’ve got the turbo sound ip3000, ip 300s and a pair of evolve ev 50s and they all play a role in my arsenal as needed. On the sub end I use my jbl prx 818 or qsc ks212c as a supplement when needed. If using regular tops I use my turbo sound iq12s. Yes like you i reinvest a bit into my equipment. I like having the right setup for each event I do. Don’t believe in lugging a tank when just a canon will do. Array wise, you should check out the LD systems 500 curve ts that comes with the 15inch dub and variable height sats. I think that will change your mind on portable line arrays. Keep up the great videos and stay safe😷
Evole 50 is more like a line source for the middle and high, the wide coverage is provided by the narrow exit of the phase plug, that's why it has more output when the distence get up
This. This is the most relevant (to me) video I have seen. I am building and condensing (my setup time) and the 50s are an easy, initial choice. After hearing this, makes me reconsider. The hack not mentioned is just set the subs on a lift box....but a better option I am thinking is get some towers and better speakers. Maybe more setup time, and that's sad, bc the evolve 50 loooed to be perfect. After this vid, their mistake totally makes sense. Sucks, cause I was absolutely ready to pull the trigger on the 50s. Now I am thinking of a different plan.
Don't be fooled the EV50's are great speakers for rooms under 200 people and they sound good and look great. Every wedding isn't a night club
I use Bose L1 arrays for short throw and remote only, and the occasional small venue. You look like you are playing Castle McCulloch, and the room acoustics seem to phase out from the close, hard surfaces at depth, but the SRX 815 and the PRX 815 are my work horses.
Yeah no horn is a no go for me. I'm surprised they used dome tweeters and angled them off axis. That's a double loss in throw for far distances in front of the speakers. The best I've used is Yorkville PS12P pole mounted on the PS15S sub. 2 of each of those and its awesome spl and sound quality that fits in the car for travel. The tops go in my trunk and both subs on the back seats!
Hey Rick, thanks for the video. I love your channel. Have you considered the Turbosound ip 3000? They are aTurbosound’s largest offering in their linear array line. They run about $1,500 apiece, but a first time buyer at Pro Sound & Stage Lighting can get a 15% discount. Each one has two 12” subs built in the base and they are 7’ tall. The problem is they are heavy. If you get a chance to check them out, please do a review on them as I would value your opinion.
They do have supposedly better bass but they are like the ev evolves the array is at and mostly below people's heads and therefore gets absorbed with a packed dance floor
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Look at and try the DB Technologies ES1002 or ES1203.
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Only column speakers worth a damn are the L Acoustic Syva , K-Array have some nice offerings and d&b audiotechnik got some really nice stuff too. proboably not dj budget though
The RCF has more bass. EV was always known for Clarity.
JIT SHUT UP
Most of the systems mentioned in the video are the smaller range models with low to medium RMS (300-500 watts) meant for soloists and duos in seated rooms- their larger more expensive higher powered versions (1000-2000 watts)are more suited to venues where people are standing and absorbing sound.
So in other words what he was using was not fit-for-purpose. Speaker placement and height is also important to reach the back of the room.
Hey Rick...if you are going to look at RCF the way to go is the Evox12. They are amazing!!! Worth the money in my opinion
Thank you for another review. Every speaker has its place. I am a EV lover. The Evolve is not meant for every event. I also have the ETX 15p and 4 18" Subs. I use the Evolves for smaller events, ceremonies, gameshows and trivia. Just my 2 cents..
Ironic their column arrays drop off so sharply since that's the benefit of line array that the sound from the "line" drops off shallower over distance. A reason why they're used in large concerts to project sound over long distances without too much drop is SPL
Some people in the crowd may like the sanctuary of the drop off zone, so it's good to have it.
Rick I own the Turbosound IP1000's and I love them! Very versatile and very portable with a great sound. I find myself taking them to gigs where space or quick set up and breakdown is a concern. Usually events of 100 people or less. That being said, They have never failed to impress. I always get comments on the great sound and clean professional appearance. My 2c. P.S. love your channel
RCF is the (BEST) end of i was looking into others but when it comes columns rcf is the best I have just ordered the nx24-a’s columns with the rcf 8004 subs amazing sound pumps out the bass all day long 😃👍 worth the money
My god. I cant image your bill. I am at the point where shelling out that much doe is just not a smart investment. Although it definitely is one hell of a badass system
I have the turbosound ip2000. they have different modes. when it is time to dance I set it to club mode and I crank up the bass, the treble and lower the mid. sounds great. these are great for live performances using the live mode. I've gotten so many compliments compared to when i had my qscs and qsc sub.
Man shut up. My skills get me compliments. Fucken lame
Excellent review!.........I got two nano lucas 300 and recently a nano lucas 608 and though I’m not a DJ, I find your review very informative!
I have the RCF J8’s and for a small 100 person event in a not so big room they’re great. I also have the RCF HDM45-A which are hands down a better buy
Agreed the hdm45 is a beast
hdm45a without sub is better than j8 system ?
Yes because they have a 15 in woofer
@@devpatel248 how much better ? Did u try nx45a or art745 ?
@@branislavxxx7249 how much better depends on your application. The hdm45 has much more power and hits lower because it has a 15 in woofer compared to a 12.
Portability is the key here. But let's forget about it at the moment, would you choose vertical arrays or point source 10s with some 15s basses? For example FBT X Pro 110 and 115?
Do you still hate them after the release of JBL Eon One MkII and PRX Ones?
I'm suspect. I use to work with RCF since 90's. 2 voices, 1 keyboard and all backtracks playing in format MIDI Files, not audio files 16bits 44100 KHz but sequenced in separated module. Now only with Korg PA3x. I've always needed strong kick & Bass and RCF is a Beast. Fidelity is his secret. Any RCF is excellense
Thanks for all your help this year for my gigs. Merry Christmas., I would like to own one for small rooms and background music. those things are light and really cool.
Just picked up a pair of IP300's for small rooms (mixers and public speakers) and for fills where volume can be managed separately from my main system. Loud, clear. Still sorting out the EQ, but appreciate that it can be managed on-board, separate from my main mix out. I very much appreciate your info on Columns, though I too would not rely on them for more of a gig than your Farm. Thank you for your informative Vlogs. Reach out if you have other gear to move. From the Engineering Deck....
I have had my RCF J8's now for a few years. I still like them and I can't imagine an easier system to transport and setup. But I will admit that they struggle for certain types of events. I generally see them about to clip when I do loud hip hop events. It's the heavy bass that causes them to run out of juice. So I found myself bringing along a subwoofer to help with the bottom.
Not just for hip hop but also old school funk and house music.
So who do I recommend for this system? Wedding DJs! The transport and setup so good that it's worth losing out on a little bass. Besides at those types of events the music will normally not be cranked hard until the last 2 or 3 hours.
For a busy wedding DJ, this type of system is ideal considering the fact that you might be doing 4 or more weddings per week. With the J8 you don't need a roadie at all. My stuff fits on 1 cart!
Sadly, I am mostly done with weddings. I am doing a gradual retirement where I just do a gig here and there. I am now playing stuff that I want to hear and not playlist anymore. No more line dance stuff for me.
So I have two older heavy 15 inch speakers and a sub that I will use. That should be good enough for 3 or 4 "fun" gigs per year.
Old video I know, but I got 2 of the LD Systems P900's designed by Porsche, they are the real deal. Their sound & power is insane for a column. They make my other point source speakers unnecessary except in very large venue and live sound/band applications.
Have you heard the K-Array? Line arrays can do nifty things by manipulating the phase of each speaker but that isn't easy. With one K-Array that saw the brochure, you can project the sound however you want. Line array is a good idea - even those famous Infinity loudspeakers used line arrays. K-Array however costs 16,000 a pair.
At $16k a pair it's pretty much impossible to justify purchasing them. Spend 1/3 that amount on a pair of Maui 44 G2 and you'll be much better off.
Hi Rick, enjoyed your analysis ...nothing like real world users giving it straight.
Wonder if you agree with this observation with respect to small line arrays like the LD Maui 5, Bose L1, etc...
I feel the scooped mids which these small systems display is almost like a built in "loudness curve" to accommodate the trend of "less obtrusive volume" at live events. I'm 58 and can attest to the gradual decline of live music volume that musicians are allowed, and here is where small line arrays do well...they create an "illusion" of being loud by exaggerated bass and treble.
What do you think of my theory?
You should try Db Es1203 amazing sound and bass. Ant B-twig 12 pro also belongs to RCF group. I also try Bose L1 but with 2 bose b2 bass module for each L1 and it was good, intense and hear with same volume and quality in end of room. If you use Bose L1 with only one bass B2 model is good for live musician but not for Dj. But my favorite of all is Db Es 1203 with double 12"sub inside is for sure much more intense than Ev evolve 50.
Evox 8 is very small we sold those, if money is not an issue try RCF Evox 12, I have these and the only other better speakers
was NEXO M6. higher, nice bass, also Audio center L65s work really good.
I've heard the FBT version and there good, but I have always said to my collogues that if someone turned up at my wedding with sticks that look like a home HiFi I would be hugely disappointed. I like the idea of the classic looking speaker system with huge output if needed or in other words standard. Personally I would go with the FBT Mitus system that I've heard and if you love bass you wouldn't be disappointed.
Ps. Love watching your vid's. If ever I come to America I would really like to hang as a roadie on a couple of your gigs. Huge fan :) :)