I like to imagine that Osiris has been bored as hell since mummification stopped, then thousands of years later a chicken shows up with all the spells to pass his test
On top of that, it shows up with all the spells… AND NO STORIES OF THIS CHICKEN’S LIFE. Everything else with that much effort put into its mummification came along with extensive description of who it is and why they’re important. This chicken just shows up with maximum protection and zero explanation.
@@tbestig4164 And since the chicken was dead before it was chosen to be mummified, it likely doesn't even know why it ended up in the Egyptian afterlife. It probably led a dreary life on a factory farm, then awakened at the first test as an Apex Chicken Pharaoh. Sounds like an isekai plot.
Imagine, it’s the year 3023, you find a house over 1000 years old, and inside is a preserved mummified chicken, nearly identical to ancient egypts methods, only issue is it’s been even longer since ancient Egypt, and also you’re in Canada
@@anapple6912 it has been longer since egypt than when this new chicken mummy has been found. not that the new chicken mummy was around longer than ancient egypt.
When I was in 7th grade, only about 12 years old, I did a school project on mummies and ancient Egypt. By having my Mom and I "mummify" a ken doll. We dyed guaze with tea, mixed cinnamon and cloves with tacky glue, painted, and then wrapped the body. The best part of it all was my Dad as well made a sarcophagus out of styrofoam. We called him Kenhotep, and I got the best grade out of my class. I still have him. I'm nearly thirty.
Not only that, there are definitely pharaohs and officials who went to the afterlife and then disappeared one day in a giant ball of fire. Because Victorians didn’t always use coal for trains (:
man, those Egyptians who are chilling in the afterlife are going to be really confused when a random, singular chicken appears for the first time in thousands of years
not just a chicken, a modern chicken. the birds they would have known 2-4000 years ago would have been radically different. smaller, more gristle less fat and muscle. this thing would look like some sort of super chicken. they would probably think it was incredibly important given it got full pharaonic mummification, like it was the pharaoh of all chickens.
It's worth pointing out, for the purposes of "is it safe to eat a mummy", that making demiglace, which is a sauce and uses bone and flesh in its creation, apparently has a point where it smells like death. There is also a medieval cookbook that has a recipe for salted beef tongue that advises salting for "eight days or ten" and reckons they keep at least four years. With an absolutely fresh corpse (or, as you suggested, a side of beef), it's plausible that the result of your procedure could be safely edible hundreds or even thouands of years later, although it might need rehydration first. You really did go the whole hog in the process, though - the sarcophagus was a nice touch.
My dudes probably could've gotten a whole ass PhD from this research, and they did it to taste the mummy. Mad respect for the lengths bored humans will go for their curiosities. I also love the thought of this video, made and formatted specifically for TH-cam consumption, is one of, if not THE best and most accurate display of the Ancient Egyptian mummification procedure.
The footage of the brand new archaeological finds of the labeled embalming pots almost brought me to tears. I mean, how often when studying history do we find actual primary sources that are *labeled*?? My area is dress history but the same goes. Completely unrelated, by the shot at 21:34 of you applying the holy red face-embalming lotion to the chickens beak is just… priceless.
I think the 3D printed amulets will be enough evidence that it's from our era. Either that or there will be papers written about the advanced manufacturing capabilities of ancient Egyptians gifted to them by the half animal/half human looking ancient aliens.
Because they made a mummy successfully, used proper translations (if they could), made everything themselves, and did everything as authentically as possible, I am pretty sure that these three are, by all accounts, some of the foremost experts on Egyptian mummification. If they wrote a paper on it, it would be taken very seriously
@@thethoughtemporiumlovly, if theres anything this channel is good for, its the scientific papers that yall do as a product of the hyper fouces on the dumb ideas that so happen to basicly spearhead some REALLY lovly science so humanity can continue to be albe to understand shit better on the whole and maybe advance tech in the process.
See now this is the kind of nerd I am. I''m supposed to use anointing oil? Ok, which one? Ah, so it's the Hebrew holy anointing oil? What's that? Calamus is in dispute as a translation? One month of in depth research later... I'm making the most accurate dang oil I have the capacity to make!
Can you imagine Anubis, bored as hell in the afterlife because barely any mummies are being prepared anymore and then suddenly a chicken appears at your doorstep with full burial rites.
I can't help but feel happy for the chicken. I can definitely see why this would be a nice way to honor your loved ones after they die, regardless of the religious associations
Thats what i was thinking lol. I had a realization at some point that this poor chicken might have had more care taken in its death than anyone gave it during life. Sad and also not sad because it really got the queen treatment in the end lol
Yeah considering the most notable acknowledgement for most chickens is whether or not one of them crossed a road, I'd say this chicken did pretty damned good for itself.
this chicken could have never expected such a dignified preparation, burial, and consumption. Truly the only chicken to have been so respectfully put to rest in thousands of years
Regarding the tasting in the end: keep in mind that all the most intense, volatile compounds from the resins, spices and essential oils would have evaporated during the thousands of years the actual mummies would have been around before being ground up and used as “medicine”. So the “mumia” probably wouldn’t have been all that aromatic anymore, but most likely very bitter, as resins tend to taste wry bitter.
Ancient Egyptians: *_*mummifies their dead bodies and pets so when they return from the afterlife, they still have a body to inhabit*_* Random aristocrats from the victorian era: _"Finally some good fucking food..."_
@@eldritchcupcakes3195 you do need the spices for the flavor, but the process is practically identical to salted meat making they just made the big mistake of not using enough salt and not changing it in butcher shops they have a cooled room with a big vat with salt 80 kg or more, and you put all the pieces in and every day you move it around you can even use the same salt over and over again
Of course you didn't get haunted by any ancient curses, this mummy chicken is contemporary so you'd be haunted by a modern curse, maybe even a postmodern one.
mans dedication is insane. planning to go to Egypt to translate the language himself so he can be sure that the method to create one ingredient of this procedure is correct.
I call it being autistic (Am one myself, hold your horses 😂) but this is one of those things where I'm like 'been there, done that'.. Went to Thailand just to taste Krating Daeng and to Naples to harvest local wild yeast for pizza dough
@@SpencerTony-n6xprobably not, perhaps speaking from early work experience or some sort as again the (two) documentation papers used in this video only go as early as 1997 (if i recall correctly).
@@mihngu_ I wouldn't think it'd be any deadlier than the actual embalming fluids they tasted. Besides, it'd serve em right for creating such a clickbaity thumbnail.
@@LinkMcStink they mentioned it on the video that they were planning on eating it but they messed up in not changing the nitran and it didn't smell safe to eat.
3 grown adult scientists at the very forefront of making not only crazy genetic experiments, growing hard to cultivate cells, and now making and ingesting millenia old recipes, but the most exciting thing for me is still the artificial chicken stock one, absolute god tier project
Hi there! Embalmer here! I found this video extremely entertaining and satisfying. The Egyptians were the inventors of the embalming process (as far as we know) and we learn about this ancient process in Mortuary School. It was so satisfying to see someone actually take the time, money, and effort to recreate this process. Thank you for doing so! I'm also sending this to all of my mortuary pals so they can all nerd out with me.
@@K.ArashiQuite possibly! I'm going to send it to my pals at my mortuary school too, but the industry is very conservative so they may edit it. I think this video was super fun!!
Hey, archaeologists here! Egyptians did not invent mummification! It was the chinchorro communities in the Atacama Dessert of South America, they had two types of mummification and are up to a thousand years older than than their Egyptian counterparts, and are remarkable as all of their population specially babies are the ones mummified instead of the only pharaohs that the Egyptians started with.
now you need to assemble a tomb for the chicken, and fill it with corn, grain, and a painting of the night sky (as they likely never got to see one in their lifetime)
The idea that in order to get the proper recipe for your incense you'll have to actually physically go to Egypt and read the hieroglyphs yourself is amazing. What a fulfilling project.
yep, but i rather give this channel millions then elon or the other shit wags. as it allows really fun stupid ideas to be done that also on the side get some lovly science done.
This video being demonetized is a slap in the face not just to the amazing people who clearly worked so hard on this, but to all creators who aspire to educate audiences. I'm going to get nebula just for that! 💯
Good that you didn't end up eating Hen-Nefer. I mean if you did everything right and then desecrated a proper mummy full of authentic spells that would definitely unleash some curse.
Just imagine, the true Egyptian afterlife hasn't had any new residents for millennia, and then, 2000 years later, completely out of nowhere, a single chicken just walks in because it's the first creature since before jesus to be properly mummified.
The amount of care and effort that went into answering this “stupid” question is fucking awe inspiring. I clicked on this video, not having heard of your channel, expecting a good laugh, like oh haha they’re going to bury a chicken and eat a piece 30 days later. Did not REMOTELY anticipate the level of research you’ve done. The attention to accurate replication, all of the historical context…Instant sub. Absolutely love this.
I love learning about different cultures ways of putting the dead to rest. Your dads also super wholesome, I can feel his excitement radiating off the screen. He did such a magnificent job on it too. Edit: Not me watching this a week after the sales end…
Everyone's talking about how the Egyptian gods would react to the chicken, but I imagine the chicken just enjoying its time in bird heaven then suddenly appearing in the Egyptian underworld before Anubis.
Its no less accurate than early mummification was (they were busy inventing it so they get grandfathered in, accuracy-wise for the process and spells) so I believe this bird has actually been sent, correctly, to meet the Maat.
There actually is an at least 2-3 decades old documentary of the British Museum attempting mummification on a terminal patient who agreed to do it for the cause...Imagine my rage in middle school that someone had gotten it done before me! 😂 My whole plan was I going to get mummified, and be displayed in a glass coffin, totally not fair.
I believe you are referencing Bob Brier and Ronald Wade’s National Geographic special on it, they (weirdly) cite Bob Brier in this video but both misspelt his name and seem to have misinterpreted some of his papers on the subject regarding the use of some mummification tools (especially the obsidian blade, which has been known to not be a ceremonial item for quite some time now, given bronze doesn’t cut as well) Edit: grammar, shortened sentence for efficacy.
Minor point but I am SO STOKED you decided to go with actual papyrus and somehow got it from one of the only remaining papyrus makers. I’d seen a video about them (from BusinessInsider?) and was wondering if it was possible to buy their papyrus online for art & support them directly.
„-Before being dumped out and emptied, then once again carefully dried. As you might imagine, this is not a dignified part of this process, and one where it’s a little hard to keep one‘s composure. (10:26)“ The lads in the background: **LITERALLY HOWLING**
Isn’t it fantastic that we have achieved an ability in current civilization that ideas like this can be pitched, planned and filmed without having to deal with conglomerate movie/tv companies. To think of younger generations not appreciating that content like this is available kind of blows my mind. Just wanted to say thank you for coming up with great ideas and following through to filming editing and releasing wacky content like this. It is awesome!
As a gen-Z(er?), I got halfway through this before feeling grateful that this high of quality video is free for me to watch on TH-cam. Definitely one of the most interesting and impressive I’ve seen in a while.
I'm a zoomer and not to get defensive, but I can't tell you the number of times I've thought "I can't believe I'm getting this for free!" when watching an amazing video like this. You'll also find similar comments all over TH-cam.
I do stuff with Mesoamerican (Aztec, Maya, etc) history and archeology online, consulting for channels, etc. This isn't that area, but the dedication to using the actual historical practices here and not cutting corners is so impressive! If you ever wanna do anything like this with Mesoamerica, I'd love to help out.
Saw this video get posted on tik tok and I came because I wanted to support your page directly and yall seem like great people and creators. Definitely staying on this channel
The mummy resin that was used in those tinctures would've been thousands of years old, so it probably would've lost a lot of the scent and taste over those years. What you tried probably tasted a whole lot worse than the real thing just because of how overpowering the fresh stuff is. So probably not an entirely accurate taste test, but definitely an entertaining one.
Probably after a few hundred or thousand years, the volatile chemicals that make the treatments taste so offensive would dissipate, leaving a much milder herbal/spice flavor perhaps reminiscent of a mild ricola cough drop. That’s my hypothesis, in part due to volatile chemicals in spirits making them taste offensive, and cooling them down calms the volatile chemicals and makes them go down easier. Also why you should let wine breath after opening it, for very strong volatile compounds it just probably takes centuries instead
I thought this was a new video and I was gunna buy one of those mummy instruction screen prints but then I realized it came out 4 months ago. :( This video is awesome. Thanks for your hard work!
Can you imagine the face of poor Dr. Ikram when the boys asked her about her work? "Why do you want to know about animal mummies again?" "We wanna make and eat one." "...What?"
If smells were evil, and the drying agent absorbs all the moisture and smell from the body, I wonder if they saw rotting as evil persisting in the body after death, and this as a method to remove evil.
ive always known the embalming process was long and complicated, so even just seeing the whole thing on a miniature scale is incredible. it really makes you recognize how it was a lifelong and revered profession in ancient egypt.
You really went above and beyond with aesthetics! Also, thank you for having your Egyptian artwork coloured, so often do recreations not have them (due to the color eroding/washing away)
Imagine showing this to the ancient Egyptian embalmers. I can picture ancient uncle Ramesses going "oh he fucked up, you were supposed to presoak bandages. Juniper oil? Who use juniper oil? This poor chicken soul going to be eaten by Ammit."
This is mindblowing, the fact that this is free and anyone can access this. I truly believe this video is one of the best examples of " the world in the palm of your hands ".
I've had my eye out for this video since we talked about it over the summer. Really quite an amazing research and implementation journey! Do you know why the curing mixture is mostly carbonate? Seems like plain salt would do very well to remove water like making jerky?
Natron just naturally is those salts in that ratio, I don't think it was purposeful beyond that. BUT a trick from cooking is that if you want to dry skin out you use baking soda. Carbonates work better to pull water out without turning into sludge. They tend to just cake. Pure salt tends to turn to mush so you don't actually dry things properly you just pickle them. But I'm sure if you used enough pure salt would work fine.
The water content of the Sodium carbonate is obviously of paramount importance here. It would seem most likely that the monohydrate was used, which is neither very good at taking up water nor at releasing it into dry air. In order to make this work with minimized death stink from basic protein hydrolysis, the anhydrous form would have to be used in a suitably dry environment.
@@thethoughtemporiumI think it's a happy coincidence that Natron is mostly basic NaCO3, and bases promote the Maillard reaction. Formaldehyde chemical fixation works in large part by turning amines into Schiff bases. Most essential oils are high in reactive phenols and catechols, just like wood smoke. Low molecular weight amines like trimethylamine and putrescine make up the bulk of death stank, and the treatment sequesters these side chains before they volatilize. The darkening strongly suggests that the treatment is chemically cooking the proteins, browning them forming complex high MW chemicals (that also smell amazing). it's literally analogous to smoking. Tl;dr - mummy actually is chemically very close to jerky
@@thethoughtemporiumcan confirm, when i worked with sheep-skins, we'd have to buy a specific salt, and reapply every once in a while to avoid the salt becoming too wet/mushy and spoiling the skins 😅😬
i imagine, since it's been millenia, they've repurposed it to something else. like, say, a hospital. and then suddenly comes this chicken with max level defense spells. creating chaos. a chicken loose in the hospital. and no one can catch it
Your dedication goes far past "above and beyond". I perked up about the incense you made - then my jaw dropped when you said you're gonna up and fly to Egypt just to get the actual recipe from the actual ancient heiroglyphs. Dude..... You don't just get a sub from me. You get my deepest respect, awe and appreciation. ❤
As a neopagan interested in kemetic belief, the effort and respect involved in this project was stunning to see. Most people don't really care about respecting ancient traditions.
Me clicking thinking you guys made chemicly correct mummy from those super expensive base components that are avalable for nutritional science and recreated the chemical made up of a human mummy. This is even cooler.
I absolutely ADORE the IKEAesque papyrus instructions. That's really clever! This was a great video. It was also my first viewing of your channel. I look forward to tonight's binge. Really impressed and entertained. +1 fellas, +1.
Imagine the ancient Egyptians got it right and the gods were like "darn no one has done it right in a really long time." Then a chicken just shows up done right.
I will finally be able to make Kyphi incense correctly, since I was a child when I became interested in Egyptian mythology I was curious what this 'divine' fragrance would be like.
This is possibly the highest quality video I have ever seen. Outstanding work with all the research that went into this. I wish you could know just how amazed I am of you all!
As an Archaeology student I'm so happy to see the ammount of hard work and attention to accuracy and details that went into this project. The jokes about stealing a real mummy and the eating part at first scared me but I'm really amazed with the dedication. Also reverse engineering is a great part of experimental archaeology and it's really fun and cool. I love this video.
this is kinda wholesome tho isnt it ?imagine youre just a chicken and you die undignified deaths like most other chickens in a factory but then some dude comes along and gives you this whole proper burial that they used for people thousands of years ago :((
Tbh I wish people had this kind of reverence for the meat they ate. We would take it way less for granted and imo we should really care for and about the things that give their lives to sustain us. I say that as someone who raises sheep chickens and ducks for meat and it really makes you think differently about your food.
the baking soda will absorb odours ... and resets when sun or air dried ... so yes it can be reused infinitely and it just needs drying to reset it back to fresh ... also one can add cinnamon to the salts to impart a better smell ... afterall a Mummy is just a large hunk of jerky nothing more
No, it doesn't. It neutralizes acids but in turn hydrolyzes proteins, releasing stanky stuff like Putrescin, which is the smell they complained about in the video.
You said you couldn't find ox tallow and used beef instead. Good news! An ox is just a working steer. Basically, any bull that is castrated and trained to work can be considered an ox. They likely had a different breed back then, but you can confidently say you followed instructions and used ox tallow!
Fun fact, there is an entire field dedicated to research like this! Art technological source research is the study of historic sources in order to better understand historic objects and recreate them in the most accurate way. I’ve done similar research with iron gall ink!
Imaging doing this for a living and then finding out that 3 thousand years later people are doing mummification as a bit. That’s incredible I love humans.
the professionals would probably think its amazing that people thousands of years in the future would be partaking in their craft and culture even if its for a bit
temple of horus, edfu, perfume room. No idea where in the room it is. apparently it's higher up on the wall. If they go and can get pics, please email them to me!
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Seems like you have a pretty awesome dad
My golly, POSTERS TOO 😭😂 oh sheesh!
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I like to imagine that Osiris has been bored as hell since mummification stopped, then thousands of years later a chicken shows up with all the spells to pass his test
"I... What?"
On top of that, it shows up with all the spells… AND NO STORIES OF THIS CHICKEN’S LIFE. Everything else with that much effort put into its mummification came along with extensive description of who it is and why they’re important.
This chicken just shows up with maximum protection and zero explanation.
@@tbestig4164 And since the chicken was dead before it was chosen to be mummified, it likely doesn't even know why it ended up in the Egyptian afterlife. It probably led a dreary life on a factory farm, then awakened at the first test as an Apex Chicken Pharaoh. Sounds like an isekai plot.
@@tbestig4164 so basically.
> Chicken shows up to the Egyptian afterlife
> Armed to the beak with spells
> Refuses to elaborate
Big bird
Imagine, it’s the year 3023, you find a house over 1000 years old, and inside is a preserved mummified chicken, nearly identical to ancient egypts methods, only issue is it’s been even longer since ancient Egypt, and also you’re in Canada
Make sure to leave a copy of this video somewhere too
longer than ancient egypt?
@@anapple6912
it has been longer since egypt than when this new chicken mummy has been found. not that the new chicken mummy was around longer than ancient egypt.
@@NexusGideonwhat?
Plz simplify
@@alisalman3539 - 3023 is 1001 years from now. The great pyramid Khufu's pyramid was built abouuuuuuut ... 4624 years ago.
When I was in 7th grade, only about 12 years old, I did a school project on mummies and ancient Egypt. By having my Mom and I "mummify" a ken doll. We dyed guaze with tea, mixed cinnamon and cloves with tacky glue, painted, and then wrapped the body. The best part of it all was my Dad as well made a sarcophagus out of styrofoam. We called him Kenhotep, and I got the best grade out of my class.
I still have him. I'm nearly thirty.
What a great dad.
One of the best school science projects I've heard tell of. Kudos 12 year old you.
“Kenhotep” is funny asl. Sounds like a wonderful memory
Is Ken well preserved still?
quacktastic
Imagine being a pharoah, spending your afterlife chilling in Duat, nobody has been sent here for thousands of years... then a chicken shows up.
New pet
That's what crossed my mind!
There was a guy from 1990-s, so it is not as lonely.
Plus chances are some asshole in the 19th century ate you.
Not only that, there are definitely pharaohs and officials who went to the afterlife and then disappeared one day in a giant ball of fire. Because Victorians didn’t always use coal for trains (:
man, those Egyptians who are chilling in the afterlife are going to be really confused when a random, singular chicken appears for the first time in thousands of years
Don’t forget the one dude who they mummified for that 1980’s experiment
@@TheIbney00this guy who popped up would probably be a celebrity lol, telling everyone about how things changed so much since then.
Big bird
not just a chicken, a modern chicken. the birds they would have known 2-4000 years ago would have been radically different. smaller, more gristle less fat and muscle. this thing would look like some sort of super chicken. they would probably think it was incredibly important given it got full pharaonic mummification, like it was the pharaoh of all chickens.
@@amellishand then the emporium ate it
It's worth pointing out, for the purposes of "is it safe to eat a mummy", that making demiglace, which is a sauce and uses bone and flesh in its creation, apparently has a point where it smells like death. There is also a medieval cookbook that has a recipe for salted beef tongue that advises salting for "eight days or ten" and reckons they keep at least four years. With an absolutely fresh corpse (or, as you suggested, a side of beef), it's plausible that the result of your procedure could be safely edible hundreds or even thouands of years later, although it might need rehydration first.
You really did go the whole hog in the process, though - the sarcophagus was a nice touch.
I would like to take a moment to announce that whoever made the mock-Ikea instructions for assembling a mummy is my favorite person today.
Was coming down here to say the same thing
it was not a person but machine, eg. ChatGPT!
@@dm3onno
@@dm3oni doubt it
terrible example, ChatGPT can't even do that. @@dm3on
My dudes probably could've gotten a whole ass PhD from this research, and they did it to taste the mummy. Mad respect for the lengths bored humans will go for their curiosities. I also love the thought of this video, made and formatted specifically for TH-cam consumption, is one of, if not THE best and most accurate display of the Ancient Egyptian mummification procedure.
Kinda weird how this comment has 500+ likes but no sub-comments.
@@abyssstrider2547 because there’s nothing to add- they said it perfectly
@@Witchy-Wonderland True.
Many years ago I watched a documentary on TV, where they mummified an actual person.
I mean as kids, we dreamt of doing some wacky things when we become scientist. If anything, they're just fulfilling their childhood dreams.
The footage of the brand new archaeological finds of the labeled embalming pots almost brought me to tears. I mean, how often when studying history do we find actual primary sources that are *labeled*?? My area is dress history but the same goes.
Completely unrelated, by the shot at 21:34 of you applying the holy red face-embalming lotion to the chickens beak is just… priceless.
the thought of thousands of years in the future, an archeologist finding this chicken mummy and studying it and not having any clue gives me joy
It needs a label of non-authenticity so that this doesn't happen, but it would be absolutely hilarious to watch if you could live that long.
He'll carbon date it, realize it's from the 21st century, and knows that's a good enough explanation for any weird shit he finds.
I love the idea of making things purely to confuse future archeologist.
I think the 3D printed amulets will be enough evidence that it's from our era. Either that or there will be papers written about the advanced manufacturing capabilities of ancient Egyptians gifted to them by the half animal/half human looking ancient aliens.
@@beskamir5977seeing how people think and work. The later is more likely
Because they made a mummy successfully, used proper translations (if they could), made everything themselves, and did everything as authentically as possible, I am pretty sure that these three are, by all accounts, some of the foremost experts on Egyptian mummification. If they wrote a paper on it, it would be taken very seriously
We ARE writing a paper on it actually
@@thethoughtemporium awesome
@@thethoughtemporiumlovly, if theres anything this channel is good for, its the scientific papers that yall do as a product of the hyper fouces on the dumb ideas that so happen to basicly spearhead some REALLY lovly science so humanity can continue to be albe to understand shit better on the whole and maybe advance tech in the process.
@@thethoughtemporium Oh, cool, I was just going to ask about documentation, as there are some parts that weren't in the video
See now this is the kind of nerd I am. I''m supposed to use anointing oil? Ok, which one? Ah, so it's the Hebrew holy anointing oil? What's that? Calamus is in dispute as a translation? One month of in depth research later... I'm making the most accurate dang oil I have the capacity to make!
"i can't believe they did this for 700 years before they realized it was bad"
they DIDNT! they RAN OUT
Well that and also Egypt banned the export of mummies
Not exactly
The absolute waste on display physically hurts me
Can you imagine Anubis, bored as hell in the afterlife because barely any mummies are being prepared anymore and then suddenly a chicken appears at your doorstep with full burial rites.
O noble chicken, may your journey to the afterlife and resurection be sucessful!
What if the chickens heart wiegths more than one of its feathers
@@otoz-9775well... It's already seasoned so... Barbecue time
@@otoz-9775 ive never met a chicken that was capable of regret or remorse, so i think its got a good shot at making it past that test
@@otoz-9775 A chicken's heart is pretty small, honestly.
I can't help but feel happy for the chicken. I can definitely see why this would be a nice way to honor your loved ones after they die, regardless of the religious associations
Hoping little guy went to the field of reeds
@@diegoolivares1081Took a left turn at Albaquerque, wound up in the field of seeds
@@RJiiFinEh, I'm sure that's just as nice for the lovely hen.
Thats what i was thinking lol. I had a realization at some point that this poor chicken might have had more care taken in its death than anyone gave it during life. Sad and also not sad because it really got the queen treatment in the end lol
Yeah considering the most notable acknowledgement for most chickens is whether or not one of them crossed a road, I'd say this chicken did pretty damned good for itself.
this chicken could have never expected such a dignified preparation, burial, and consumption. Truly the only chicken to have been so respectfully put to rest in thousands of years
"To our health!" _drinks mummy embalming juice_
Hopefully went down easier than modern embalming fluid
@@notabirdboyisn't modern embalming fluid like 90/99% formaldehyde??? 💀💀💀
@@thelordofthelostbraincells extremely spicy yes
Real
Regarding the tasting in the end: keep in mind that all the most intense, volatile compounds from the resins, spices and essential oils would have evaporated during the thousands of years the actual mummies would have been around before being ground up and used as “medicine”. So the “mumia” probably wouldn’t have been all that aromatic anymore, but most likely very bitter, as resins tend to taste wry bitter.
Do you think a stint in a vacuum chamber would hasten the evaporation of the volatiles?
Accelerated Aging Tests would be neat!
Incorrect
@@dongvermine Care to elaborate?
@@nathangamble125 No, they don't.
By the sound of it what you tasted were various mixtures of tree oils, spices, incense, beeswax, and animal fat. So basically you ate scented candles.
Dear gosh-
omg that is genius
Iam infertile from eating scented candles
YIPPEE
@@daveson1014free birth control!
Ancient Egyptians: *_*mummifies their dead bodies and pets so when they return from the afterlife, they still have a body to inhabit*_*
Random aristocrats from the victorian era:
_"Finally some good fucking food..."_
ikr, its so disrespectful tbh
They didn't consider it food but a medicine, have you been paying attention son?
@@GaiusCaligula234it's a meme bruh 😂
@@mikel2976 what meme
@@GaiusCaligula234Gordon Ramsay says "finally, some good fucking food" after nothing but failed dishes from people on one of his shows.
THIS IS SICK, I was expecting half-assed “we salted it and let it sit” but GODDAMN this was amazing!
By that logic some steak TH-camrs have eaten mummies.
@@eldritchcupcakes3195 you do need the spices for the flavor, but the process is practically identical to salted meat making
they just made the big mistake of not using enough salt and not changing it
in butcher shops they have a cooled room with a big vat with salt 80 kg or more, and you put all the pieces in and every day you move it around
you can even use the same salt over and over again
@eldritchcupcakes3195 Yeah by that logic I would have eaten mummies
as an egyptian, i learned so much from this video and i highly appreciate how you followed the most accurate techniques out there
Of course you didn't get haunted by any ancient curses, this mummy chicken is contemporary so you'd be haunted by a modern curse, maybe even a postmodern one.
Chicken ghost :))
LOL 😂
@@phagnutpn1531 Poultrygeist
They will be send to the chicken realm! 😂
The chicken's spirit will dig up that really cringe thing they posted 15 years ago on the internet as part of its curse.
mans dedication is insane. planning to go to Egypt to translate the language himself so he can be sure that the method to create one ingredient of this procedure is correct.
That is how one respects an ancient history and their religious practices
I call it being autistic
(Am one myself, hold your horses 😂) but this is one of those things where I'm like 'been there, done that'.. Went to Thailand just to taste Krating Daeng and to Naples to harvest local wild yeast for pizza dough
never knew that Red Bull was Thai
"How long do you want to dry age this chicken?"
"Two thousand years!"
Glad to see traditional Victorian recipes are being shared on TH-cam.
I remember back in my day we had to go all the way to Egypt to source our organic mummies. One trip I caught malaria and had to go back home early.
I, being a around 300-400 years old i can tell you for certain that i used some mummy in my food every now and then and still do today.
@@DJl3iohazordI can’t tell, is this satirical lol?
Just be happy it’s not a life hack channel
@@SpencerTony-n6xprobably not, perhaps speaking from early work experience or some sort as again the (two) documentation papers used in this video only go as early as 1997 (if i recall correctly).
Egyptian dude : "Damn i'm bored"
Other egyptian dude : "Yeah, the afterlife is empty"
Osiris : "same here"
Anubis : "Well, imma quit"
A singular chicken : Bonjour
The chicken speaking French makes this 100% better
Was I the only person expecting them to actually eat the chicken & not just the preservatives?
@@LinkMcStinkpreeeetty sure that they would have joined that chicken if they actually ate it
@@mihngu_ I wouldn't think it'd be any deadlier than the actual embalming fluids they tasted. Besides, it'd serve em right for creating such a clickbaity thumbnail.
@@LinkMcStink they mentioned it on the video that they were planning on eating it but they messed up in not changing the nitran and it didn't smell safe to eat.
3 grown adult scientists at the very forefront of making not only crazy genetic experiments, growing hard to cultivate cells, and now making and ingesting millenia old recipes, but the most exciting thing for me is still the artificial chicken stock one, absolute god tier project
I uh, I wouldn't call mummification a RECIPE, though people decided that later
@doublepinger formula, recipe, blueprint, same pee different sink
Hi there! Embalmer here! I found this video extremely entertaining and satisfying. The Egyptians were the inventors of the embalming process (as far as we know) and we learn about this ancient process in Mortuary School. It was so satisfying to see someone actually take the time, money, and effort to recreate this process. Thank you for doing so! I'm also sending this to all of my mortuary pals so they can all nerd out with me.
i wonder if this video is going to be shown in mortuary schools from now on
@@K.ArashiQuite possibly! I'm going to send it to my pals at my mortuary school too, but the industry is very conservative so they may edit it. I think this video was super fun!!
@@tragedtylertoo many jokes about the dead chicken?
@diegoolivares1081 too much laughter and being happy. No one can have fun in funeral service! ~ this is sarcasm
Hey, archaeologists here! Egyptians did not invent mummification! It was the chinchorro communities in the Atacama Dessert of South America, they had two types of mummification and are up to a thousand years older than than their Egyptian counterparts, and are remarkable as all of their population specially babies are the ones mummified instead of the only pharaohs that the Egyptians started with.
Ridiculous to me that I just watched accomplished scientists make and eat glue, among other things. I love this channel.
I know! I want to be their friend so bad.
Calm down
@@AutismusPrime69autism
@@BobUikder-ig4uqautism :)
A very confused chicken has arrived in the Egyptian afterlife.
a very confused chicken has arrived before an even more confused anubis
now you need to assemble a tomb for the chicken, and fill it with corn, grain, and a painting of the night sky (as they likely never got to see one in their lifetime)
Remember to allow holes pointing to the north star so the soul of the chicken and leave and return to the body.
Are you vegan, by any chance?
@@Juliprog Chicken's soul will be judged by the scale of Osiris, and your soul will be too.
@@lolasdm6959 umm no thanks. also, i meant that pablo guy but maybe you got that, idk
@@Juliprog nope, i was just joking about lying them to rest like a real pharaoh
The idea that in order to get the proper recipe for your incense you'll have to actually physically go to Egypt and read the hieroglyphs yourself is amazing. What a fulfilling project.
It's insane to me that this video is 6 months old n barely has a million views. How is this not one of the coolest things on youtube!?!?!
Osiris: "Finally, after decades! I welcome thee, mortal, to the afterlife-"
Hen-Nefer: "Cluck?"
Osiris: *Confused noises*
I was about to say "decades? Don't you mean millennia?" But then I remembered, yeah, late 90s human mummification experiment
@@kadebrockhausen technically It didn’t have the book of the dead spells so it wouldn’t have passed the trials, but the chicken…
This channel is purely uncontrollable hyperfocus. And I am all for it!
yep, but i rather give this channel millions then elon or the other shit wags. as it allows really fun stupid ideas to be done that also on the side get some lovly science done.
This video being demonetized is a slap in the face not just to the amazing people who clearly worked so hard on this, but to all creators who aspire to educate audiences. I'm going to get nebula just for that! 💯
Good that you didn't end up eating Hen-Nefer. I mean if you did everything right and then desecrated a proper mummy full of authentic spells that would definitely unleash some curse.
I wonder what curses a chicken pharoh would unleash on you.
@@shinybugg9156 Probably make you act like chicken, like, clucking, growing little feathers, having a taste for corn and bugs, etc.
@@shinybugg9156 The curse known as Salmonella Enterica by the modern civilization
Just imagine, the true Egyptian afterlife hasn't had any new residents for millennia, and then, 2000 years later, completely out of nowhere, a single chicken just walks in because it's the first creature since before jesus to be properly mummified.
Wasn't there a guy in 1997 mentioned IN the video?
PROPERLY mummified@@michaelfixedsys7463
@@michaelfixedsys7463 So... a single chicken, and Dave from Saskatoon.
@@stitchfinger7678 and a sheep + maybe more from the other scientist
The amount of care and effort that went into answering this “stupid” question is fucking awe inspiring. I clicked on this video, not having heard of your channel, expecting a good laugh, like oh haha they’re going to bury a chicken and eat a piece 30 days later. Did not REMOTELY anticipate the level of research you’ve done. The attention to accurate replication, all of the historical context…Instant sub. Absolutely love this.
Youd get much more accurate info by just reading the old physician books
You ought to ship some off to max miller, I'm sure there's some Victorian recipe he's been dying to try but couldn't source genuine mummy lol
This time, on tasting history... Now that would be a great crossover 😂
Now that's an interesting video. An episode on Victorian quack medicine and cure-alls
Agreed 🎉😊
I love learning about different cultures ways of putting the dead to rest.
Your dads also super wholesome, I can feel his excitement radiating off the screen. He did such a magnificent job on it too.
Edit: Not me watching this a week after the sales end…
The sale is still open, see the pinned comment!
Everyone's talking about how the Egyptian gods would react to the chicken, but I imagine the chicken just enjoying its time in bird heaven then suddenly appearing in the Egyptian underworld before Anubis.
Its no less accurate than early mummification was (they were busy inventing it so they get grandfathered in, accuracy-wise for the process and spells) so I believe this bird has actually been sent, correctly, to meet the Maat.
They don’t get a pass. Anubis won’t like it
@@Someone-sq8im Anubis may not like it, but that doesn't change the fact that Hen-Nefr is, indeed, there before Maat.
There actually is an at least 2-3 decades old documentary of the British Museum attempting mummification on a terminal patient who agreed to do it for the cause...Imagine my rage in middle school that someone had gotten it done before me! 😂 My whole plan was I going to get mummified, and be displayed in a glass coffin, totally not fair.
Even worse, a lot of people had already done it thousands of years before you! You really got beaten to the jump there.
I believe you are referencing Bob Brier and Ronald Wade’s National Geographic special on it, they (weirdly) cite Bob Brier in this video but both misspelt his name and seem to have misinterpreted some of his papers on the subject regarding the use of some mummification tools (especially the obsidian blade, which has been known to not be a ceremonial item for quite some time now, given bronze doesn’t cut as well)
Edit: grammar, shortened sentence for efficacy.
I am at the beginning of the video, but I came here wondering why they didn’t mention this work. I love Bob Brier!
I absolutely love how happy your dad seems to be able to be a part of things. You guys have a great relationship!!
Minor point but I am SO STOKED you decided to go with actual papyrus and somehow got it from one of the only remaining papyrus makers. I’d seen a video about them (from BusinessInsider?) and was wondering if it was possible to buy their papyrus online for art & support them directly.
Try sending them an email?
Man I would love to buy them in bulk and make some calligraphies in them. It's sad that this ancient art is so close to extinction
Is there anywhere who can teach us how to make it? That's an art that needs preserving
@@SombreroPharoah Yeah check out the Papyrus Institute near Giza they have workshops
@@SombreroPharoah Well do you happen to have papyrus growing around?
Osiris is going to be confused after thousands of years of not seeing another mortal who passed away, a single chicken shows up.
Nah, that chicken has a heart of lead.
@@ctusiard9755
_What did he do‽_
The chicken got murdered tho@@ctusiard9755
„-Before being dumped out and emptied, then once again carefully dried. As you might imagine, this is not a dignified part of this process, and one where it’s a little hard to keep one‘s composure. (10:26)“
The lads in the background: **LITERALLY HOWLING**
Isn’t it fantastic that we have achieved an ability in current civilization that ideas like this can be pitched, planned and filmed without having to deal with conglomerate movie/tv companies. To think of younger generations not appreciating that content like this is available kind of blows my mind. Just wanted to say thank you for coming up with great ideas and following through to filming editing and releasing wacky content like this. It is awesome!
As a gen-Z(er?), I got halfway through this before feeling grateful that this high of quality video is free for me to watch on TH-cam. Definitely one of the most interesting and impressive I’ve seen in a while.
I can promise the younger generations are enjoying it
I'm a zoomer and not to get defensive, but I can't tell you the number of times I've thought "I can't believe I'm getting this for free!" when watching an amazing video like this. You'll also find similar comments all over TH-cam.
You know who's not appreciative of this quality content? TH-cam and those old git advertisers with their inferior taste to educational videos.
@@gurugurumawaru7869I feel like I’m having a stroke trying to read that last sentence lmao
I do stuff with Mesoamerican (Aztec, Maya, etc) history and archeology online, consulting for channels, etc. This isn't that area, but the dedication to using the actual historical practices here and not cutting corners is so impressive! If you ever wanna do anything like this with Mesoamerica, I'd love to help out.
Is there mummification similar or very different?
Saw this video get posted on tik tok and I came because I wanted to support your page directly and yall seem like great people and creators. Definitely staying on this channel
The mummy resin that was used in those tinctures would've been thousands of years old, so it probably would've lost a lot of the scent and taste over those years. What you tried probably tasted a whole lot worse than the real thing just because of how overpowering the fresh stuff is. So probably not an entirely accurate taste test, but definitely an entertaining one.
Exactly what I was thinking. It probably mellowed out a lot after thousands of years.
What about the mass spectrometer? I dont assume they tasted or smelled the mummy, intentionally. The radicals mightve broken down over time, though.
I wonder if you can cook them or even vacuum them first to get something closer to the real deal.
Probably after a few hundred or thousand years, the volatile chemicals that make the treatments taste so offensive would dissipate, leaving a much milder herbal/spice flavor perhaps reminiscent of a mild ricola cough drop. That’s my hypothesis, in part due to volatile chemicals in spirits making them taste offensive, and cooling them down calms the volatile chemicals and makes them go down easier. Also why you should let wine breath after opening it, for very strong volatile compounds it just probably takes centuries instead
Only one solution to this really
Leave a box with "Open in 4023" written in it with instructions on how to consume the chicken...
@@SonicluNerdGamerlmfao bingo!
I thought this was a new video and I was gunna buy one of those mummy instruction screen prints but then I realized it came out 4 months ago. :( This video is awesome. Thanks for your hard work!
More will be available soon! Check back in a bit
Can you imagine the face of poor Dr. Ikram when the boys asked her about her work?
"Why do you want to know about animal mummies again?"
"We wanna make and eat one."
"...What?"
Knowing many researchers, she'd probably be stoked.
@@erinasnow"Now how did that make you feel? This is for science, so try to be thorough."
I just loooooove the idea of a random chicken popping up in Osiris' throne room many thousands of years after the last new arrival.
Osiris: *taking a nap*
*Chicken clucks*
Osiris: ???
I honestly love how you did a year of research and dropped thousands of dollars to do a ‘taste react’ video. Hats off to all of you this is AMAZING
If smells were evil, and the drying agent absorbs all the moisture and smell from the body, I wonder if they saw rotting as evil persisting in the body after death, and this as a method to remove evil.
ive always known the embalming process was long and complicated, so even just seeing the whole thing on a miniature scale is incredible. it really makes you recognize how it was a lifelong and revered profession in ancient egypt.
You really went above and beyond with aesthetics! Also, thank you for having your Egyptian artwork coloured, so often do recreations not have them (due to the color eroding/washing away)
Imagine showing this to the ancient Egyptian embalmers. I can picture ancient uncle Ramesses going "oh he fucked up, you were supposed to presoak bandages. Juniper oil? Who use juniper oil? This poor chicken soul going to be eaten by Ammit."
This was the most well done, well researched, and engrossing video I have watched in a long time! Just incredible.
Now I want NielRed to taste them because he is known for being able to resist stinky and shit tasting stuff
Maybe a further atemt
This is mindblowing, the fact that this is free and anyone can access this. I truly believe this video is one of the best examples of " the world in the palm of your hands ".
The mummification process was very impressive, but I love seeing the father-son duo looking so happy about the sarcophagus!
I've had my eye out for this video since we talked about it over the summer. Really quite an amazing research and implementation journey! Do you know why the curing mixture is mostly carbonate? Seems like plain salt would do very well to remove water like making jerky?
Natron just naturally is those salts in that ratio, I don't think it was purposeful beyond that. BUT a trick from cooking is that if you want to dry skin out you use baking soda. Carbonates work better to pull water out without turning into sludge. They tend to just cake. Pure salt tends to turn to mush so you don't actually dry things properly you just pickle them. But I'm sure if you used enough pure salt would work fine.
The water content of the Sodium carbonate is obviously of paramount importance here. It would seem most likely that the monohydrate was used, which is neither very good at taking up water nor at releasing it into dry air. In order to make this work with minimized death stink from basic protein hydrolysis, the anhydrous form would have to be used in a suitably dry environment.
@@thethoughtemporiumI think it's a happy coincidence that Natron is mostly basic NaCO3, and bases promote the Maillard reaction. Formaldehyde chemical fixation works in large part by turning amines into Schiff bases. Most essential oils are high in reactive phenols and catechols, just like wood smoke. Low molecular weight amines like trimethylamine and putrescine make up the bulk of death stank, and the treatment sequesters these side chains before they volatilize. The darkening strongly suggests that the treatment is chemically cooking the proteins, browning them forming complex high MW chemicals (that also smell amazing). it's literally analogous to smoking.
Tl;dr - mummy actually is chemically very close to jerky
@@thethoughtemporiumcan confirm, when i worked with sheep-skins, we'd have to buy a specific salt, and reapply every once in a while to avoid the salt becoming too wet/mushy and spoiling the skins 😅😬
Imagine being the Egyptian gods, nobody comes through the Hall of Maat in millenia, and then suddenly a random chicken shows up
i imagine, since it's been millenia, they've repurposed it to something else. like, say, a hospital. and then suddenly comes this chicken with max level defense spells. creating chaos. a chicken loose in the hospital. and no one can catch it
@@K.ArashiKane sibling reference?
@@VinhNguyen-wh8js more of a john mulaney reference
@@K.Arashi ah. I get it now
Y’alls dedication is INSANE, like the sheer amount of detail and going the extra mile
haha your dad's sarcophagus is epic, and he looked overjoyed to be able to contribute 😂. epic video and excellent work as always
Your dedication goes far past "above and beyond". I perked up about the incense you made - then my jaw dropped when you said you're gonna up and fly to Egypt just to get the actual recipe from the actual ancient heiroglyphs. Dude.....
You don't just get a sub from me. You get my deepest respect, awe and appreciation. ❤
As a neopagan interested in kemetic belief, the effort and respect involved in this project was stunning to see. Most people don't really care about respecting ancient traditions.
this was a fantastic plethora of information on mummification and mumia that i have been looking for quite a while.
3000 years later when someone actually finds it and actually thinks ' a chicken was actually made a pharaoh '😂
A chicken became a pharaoh??? In Canada??????
Me clicking thinking you guys made chemicly correct mummy from those super expensive base components that are avalable for nutritional science and recreated the chemical made up of a human mummy. This is even cooler.
I wouldn't put that past NileRed though...
How are you referencing this "nutritional chemical mummification" as if it's common knowledge? Umm, details, wtf?
@@dancoroian1They're referencing the process that TE used to make chicken flavoring
@@hawkerm8419 oh. Duh, that makes a lot more sense 😆
@@quadrilaturalSamurainile red: I made a mummy using iron nails
What incredible attention to detail. I love all the jars and accessories you guys made. And the hieroglyphs look beautiful
I absolutely ADORE the IKEAesque papyrus instructions. That's really clever! This was a great video.
It was also my first viewing of your channel. I look forward to tonight's binge. Really impressed and entertained. +1 fellas, +1.
Imagine the ancient Egyptians got it right and the gods were like "darn no one has done it right in a really long time." Then a chicken just shows up done right.
Massive respect for creating a mummy yourself instead of eating one of the ancient ones of history like a goblin.
I take offense to that
I will finally be able to make Kyphi incense correctly, since I was a child when I became interested in Egyptian mythology I was curious what this 'divine' fragrance would be like.
Somewhere in the afterlife is an Egyptian god staring perplexed at a chicken that suddenly appeared after like 1500 years of nobody else showing up.
This is possibly the highest quality video I have ever seen. Outstanding work with all the research that went into this. I wish you could know just how amazed I am of you all!
Resin linen bird composite is a new meta-material with super conducting properties
No but imagine if mummies were superconductors - it’d be like the Victorian era all over again
It's the room temperature superconductor we've all been waiting for
@@colmryan9289 They'd be so mad at the victorians for eating them all
As an Archaeology student I'm so happy to see the ammount of hard work and attention to accuracy and details that went into this project. The jokes about stealing a real mummy and the eating part at first scared me but I'm really amazed with the dedication. Also reverse engineering is a great part of experimental archaeology and it's really fun and cool. I love this video.
I really hope all this research and project makes it into the museums its truly amazing work even if it was for a video hats off to you guys
this is kinda wholesome tho isnt it ?imagine youre just a chicken and you die undignified deaths like most other chickens in a factory but then some dude comes along and gives you this whole proper burial that they used for people thousands of years ago :((
*So he can taste your mummified flesh
Tbh I wish people had this kind of reverence for the meat they ate. We would take it way less for granted and imo we should really care for and about the things that give their lives to sustain us. I say that as someone who raises sheep chickens and ducks for meat and it really makes you think differently about your food.
The amount of work in this video is f-ing insane. I'm pretty certain i can call this my personal video of the year. You guys are crazy, love it
I have insane respect for how much effort you put into this. Super glad it hit my feed. Subbed for sure.
It's really nice of you guys to help this chicken pass in to the afterlife.
Props to them for mummifying a real person and then eating them
get the f**k out of my lecturing hall, Diogenes (:
yeah I didn't think the morgue would let them just take a corpse, but apparently I was wrong
Ikr?? I don't even know where they found such a small feathered human... Must have gone to somewhere exotic like Canada or something!
According to Diogenes, it is a human
@@sammyjones8279 you know what they say about featherless bipeds...
I saw this in my recs and immediately went "I have questions." You've answered them delightfully!
As an Egyptian am shocked and so freaking proud, can't thank you enough, great job keep it up ❤❤❤
the baking soda will absorb odours ... and resets when sun or air dried ... so yes it can be reused infinitely and it just needs drying to reset it back to fresh ... also one can add cinnamon to the salts to impart a better smell ... afterall a Mummy is just a large hunk of jerky nothing more
No, it doesn't. It neutralizes acids but in turn hydrolyzes proteins, releasing stanky stuff like Putrescin, which is the smell they complained about in the video.
You said you couldn't find ox tallow and used beef instead. Good news! An ox is just a working steer. Basically, any bull that is castrated and trained to work can be considered an ox.
They likely had a different breed back then, but you can confidently say you followed instructions and used ox tallow!
Thanks! This is a really cool thing, and I hope all y’all aren’t cursed forevermore
Fun fact, there is an entire field dedicated to research like this! Art technological source research is the study of historic sources in order to better understand historic objects and recreate them in the most accurate way.
I’ve done similar research with iron gall ink!
Thanks
Imaging doing this for a living and then finding out that 3 thousand years later people are doing mummification as a bit. That’s incredible I love humans.
the professionals would probably think its amazing that people thousands of years in the future would be partaking in their craft and culture even if its for a bit
This isn't *just* a bit. This is actual experimental archaeology and they are writing a paper on it.
Microdosing funerary rites is the only way I can afford a burial lol
If you’d like, I think can get you good pictures of the hyrogliphs in Egypt. My old research team would be keen and are local. Let me know.
temple of horus, edfu, perfume room. No idea where in the room it is. apparently it's higher up on the wall. If they go and can get pics, please email them to me!
this was a really fun video!! im honestly surprised by how much work you guys have put into this. well done!