If you fellas like this one enough, perhaps we do one on the Wild Rift/Riot Forge redesigns in the future? ALSO MERRY CHRIMBUS TO THOSE THAT CELEBRATE IT TODAY
I saw some of the earlier concept art and her clothes were a lot more modest, which I liked. She was literally vialed, like covering the majority of her face, in one of them. Which I think is really cool considering she's "The Veiled One." I still like what they settled on though, I think the other ideas fundamentally wound up looking too Eastern for the Targon/Demacia aesthetics.
i think bluedekaiser is fine in terms of colour, but the chest piece and especially the helmet make him so much less intimidating. it removes his massive presence that the og splash art has, and makes him look like an old cartoon villain.
I think in LoR they're leaning much more heavily into the undead overlord aspect of his character which I love but it does sacrifice the undying frontline warrior warlord of the League design
fr I like colour too but he seriously just went from Dark Souls boss to your average villain of the week. I might even say old old mord is more intimidating.
Jax is cocky and proud, but not arrogant. He's seen shit and been through shit, so his attitude comes from knowing he's the best, not just feeling like he is
I just love what they did to Nidalee, maybe 'cause I'm a abs fan, but her design looking really Vastaya and her looking like a real talented hunter instead of a Playboy costume just makes me love her
One miner point. Corsets are not what people think they are, and it would make sense for someone who does physical labor to wear one. Corsets offer a lot of spinal support and support the breasts much like bras do. They also protect your hips if they are carrying a heavyweight. The issue was never corsets themselves it was the practice of tight lacing. But if worn properly corsets are not only comfortable, but incredibly supportive.
My biggest issue with the Trundle redesign is his size. All of Trundle's stories make pretty explicit mention of his size, or rather lack of for a Troll and a lot of his stories are about overcoming his smaller stature with intellect in order to take over X or Y tribe in a test of strength. Trundle's quite a little guy by Troll standards but he's huge in LoR and a lot of his followers are really small which makes the 1 defining aspect of Trundle that seperates him from every other fantasy Troll completely lost in the transition. Frost Trolls aren't unique, a troll king with a magic weapon isn't unique, a troll working for someone related to eldritch abomination isn't unique but what seperates Trundle from these other fantasy Troll kings is his size.
The thing is trundle is small compared to alot of the trolls even in lor all the not beatsticks are short while all the big beefy Stat stick 1s are like 4× the size of a house the only real issue I saw was that trundle doesn't look to different from the other troll other than his club they could have given him true ice armor or something that makes him stand out from the other troll cards
One concept I would have been partial to for a Janna redesign is retaining her shuriman clothing, BUT instead having her wind staff be an offering gifted to her by her followers in Zaun. It'd basically be a fractured amalgam of scrap metal and stained glass, but she would love it all the same.
I don't like that, I prefer her staff to be an important element in the use of her powers. I liked what they did, they made the staff part of her. But I think it should have been made of crystal like the original design, as a reference to the rarefied air, and that also made it more unique, no other champion uses a crystal staff, now golden staff...there are thousands
@@Airwinsy9948 I understand her staff being an original part of her, but when referring to a God weakened by years of lacking the power of faith, I felt an imperfect design was in order. The Shurimans were forced to abandon Janna just like how the Zaunites continue to be abandoned by their Piltovan neighbors. She is a part of them, so I thought it fitting they be a part of her.
@@anthonymorales9869 Actually they changed it, her power no longer weakens based on the faith of her followers, is no longer mentioned in the lore but I like your idea, maybe something like a medallion that would clearly imply "I'm with Zaun"
I think a cool concept with Mordekaiser is that he can canonically have a different armour set and appearance for what he looks like in the death realm and what he looks like in Runeterra as they are different personifications of his armour based on when are where they were made. His armour in the death realm is likely his older armour that he envisaged compared to his new armour in Runeterra.
@@warcriminalyeswhat you said will be a good idea but I still think the blue one is kind of ugly because it looks like a brick but adding on the Regal attributes is good. Also I'll be fine if they changed his ghost energy into a somewhat dark greyish blue colour.
@madmank7881 I think blue makes sense. Green is the corrupted shit that Viego made. Blue? Is his death magic, that way you can differentiate his stuff from shadow isles weaklings.
I could see the robe for Kayn working better as a way to show maturity, if Riot were to ever further Kayn's character and take him from a cocky show-off to a Kayn who's a little wiser and has less need to prove himself (but they sadly won't since furthering his lore would mean having to choose between Kayn or Rhaast winning and there would be outrage if Riot killed off a champion that people have grown attached to)
kayn will never become mature, and thinking he will shows you really dont know what his character is about. kayn is so self absorbed hes able to resist the take-over of a darkin, something not a single other person has ever been able to do. him becoming shadow assassin takes it even further, his cockiness is proven right and he gets the power to prove it.
Yeah him being more clothed makes him look more important, with him being second to Zed and all that, shirtless is more carefree, which he is not so much. That said the robe is lame, they took out all the details from the belt and replaced him with pijamas.
@@jynxed66six54 I don't think "mature" is the right word here, he is cocky but you overestimate how much, Rhaast references a lot how he has doubts and he has a lot of respect for people like Zed and Shen. I'd argue his arrogance is more a facade than anything, both Kayle and Yi call him a scared child in the inside, to say that he can hold on Rhaast only because he is cocky is a disservice to his character, especially when his color story highlights it was his will to live that set him apart from others. Like every character he is not incapable of change, not when his themes revolve around transformation and clear indications he still suffers from a lot of trauma.
I don't fully believe that the thing around Riven's waist is a corset, but is more of a fitness belt type of thing that weightlifters use. This is because if Riven's lore it's explained that the runic weapon she has is an extremely heavy weapon. Even though she can wield the heavy blade, it would still take a toll on her body in how you'd swing a blade, whether it be overhead, side to side, etc. She wears that fitness belt (for lack of a better term) to reduce the stress on her lower back for carrying things in an upright position and prevents back hyperextension for overhead lifts (such as swinging her heavy sword). And later on, when she's in exile, she continues to wear it because she helps with heavy labor on farms for Ionian people, where she'd definitely would want to wear such a piece of equipment. Granted this is just me looking at it from a logical standpoint, some of the designs do look a bit off for it to be a fitness belt like I believe. For example, her base model in LoL does look extremely similar to that of a corset, buttons and all. However, in her LoR splash it looks more like a brace for her lower body. Additionally, in the Awaken cinematic it looks like a wrap placed around her lower body to keep her attached to the stand she was chained to. It doesn't help my case that most if not all of Rivem's skins in LoL have either completely gotten rid of the fitness belt, or replaced it with a small belt that would not even be considered as such. That's just my viewpoint on it and felt like sharing it. Keep up the awesome videos!
I think medieval corsets accomplished the things you have listed. The historical ones, not the weird, over the skin and super tight ones that the movies show. People wore stuff for reason, either practical or aesthetical.
@@Tiltigo Not completely. The Void parasite may have devoured Kaisa's body, but it absorbed her memories and her humanity to an extent. This new form, this Kai'Sa, wears her face as a reminder that life is worth protecting even at the expense of their own kind.
@@anthonymorales9869It's pretty much shown that despite how she looks fully cloaked, she's still human and cares about people, others seem to just ignore that part of her lore.
God I know the arcane team would do her so well, make her a proper activist and a strong personality instead of just a "la dee da peace is good we should be friends :)" pop star
It would be amazing! Arcane has proven throughout the whole first season how well they deal with female characters, how they are not there to be sexualized or to be a porn parody, but to be human, to be woman who you can see in the strength of your mother, in the love of your girlfriend, in the admiration from your sister. They are not just sex dolls (looking at you, old Caitlyn version) but ACTUAL workers, ACTUAL fighters, ACTUAL creators. Imagine what they would do to Seraphine character? The debate of “she’s only a girly girl champion with no content!” could finally be finished and LoL could definitely use her development from Arcane to the game
You pointed out 2 good things for Mordekaiser - the red and the leg armour, that show noxus. That's it, nothing else of the redesign was good, all the invincibility, that he practicaly oosed was lost, even his mace lost much of its threatheningness. Everything else from his armour was worsened, his new voicelines do not give the impression the ones in LOL do. Look at the other design options, that they looked at. While there were some worse designs, I have no clue how they got this when there were so many other better versions, that retained the things that made Many of the LOR redesign haters love Mordekaiser. (Sorry for the rant, but I needed to get this off my chest)
I agree with all of this except the voice part I think they ABSOLUTELY NAILED IT. Don't get me wrong I LOVE mordekaiser voice lines but in league he sounds more chill and monotone which has its perks but in LOR his voice is BOOMING WITH ANGER AND EMOTION like I love his level up voicelines "FIGHT FLEE IT WILL MAKE NOO DIFFERENCE" UGH chills, its not only angrier but also shows of other emotions like confusion in his reply to volibears "Take heed metal man, you speak to a true death maker" with "Death maker? You have nothing to threaten me with" id personally give his new voice a 13/10 while his old voice was a 10/10. his design on the other hand I agree with it just looks weak af, bro looks like xerath.
Thee voice lines definetly missed the mark hard. In League he sounds calm composed absolutely steadfast in his goals, like he knows his victory is inevitable no matter what. In LOR he sounds angry, impatient and short tempered which goes against his lore of literally faking his death and biding his time to comee back stronger. He has such an indominable spirit you couldnt phase him no matter what you did or say.
About Janna ascended looking like Kayle is a fair criticism, but the problem lies in Kayle not looking as Kayle so much. Ever since her redesign removed her Armor in order to get the more generic suite ever she has lacked identity. It makes sense for them to be somewhat similar deity figures but that is all Kayle's LoL rework is that is a problem of Kayle design itself because we've seen her, Morgana and their mother look very similar yet still have their own identity. I pray for a VU for Kayle in lol to make her look more like her mom when she was just an aspect.
The problem with this design of Janna's transformation is that she uses a lot of gold pieces, yellow colors and few blue details and this is already Kayle's color scheme. This form should have more crystal pieces (like the original Staff), predominant blue (after all, she is the blue bird) and less yellow
@@Airwinsy9948 Kayle used to have red too in her colo scheme. They removed that in her rework. It's an interesting point but I think both can coexist using gold.
@@miguelsanchez825 Yes, the problem is both coexisting using gold, yellow and blue 💀 And Janna in this form looks too "divine", she looks like one of Kayle's followers
Quinn, for me, was the reason I started LoR, while Nida and Morg are the reason I came back. I love their designs in LoR and Quinn's spanish voice in LoR, she sounds more gentle and calm, i would say even more confident.
I actually think the new lor trundle goes against his story. Hes kinda the runt of his tribe and was more reliant on his cunning than the brute strength of the average troll. Therefore the more scrawny look in league fits him better than his buff himbo lor look
i think that Kayn design may be less of a direct redesign and more of a story progression. While losing the eye does hinder this theory, the level of corruption and how it can be seen on even his more human arm and how he is clearly far more beastial in his mannerisms and those glowing eyes are 100% inhuman and Darkin inspired surely can make this easy to believe as a lore progression design
5:36 We think of a corset as a fashion accesory of oppresion nowadays but back in the day the normal working woman wore a corset kind of as a bra and backsupport in one, so I like the corset because it doesnt look like a fashionale corset like pilovians do it looks like a working corset
Couldn't have said it better myself for the Zilean, He has so much more grounding and definition in the story of runeterra than he used to with this design
For riven’s leather corset type thing. It’s more just like a cinch or even leather armor than anything like an actual corset. As someone who does costuming these waist binds are actually fairly comfortable and are good for keeping your back straight as long as you don’t wear them purposely super tight.
I have the same opinion about LoR Kayn. I like the robe because it adds Ionia feeling to him more. (Having only baggy pants doesn't sell much.) But man I hope they keep the corrupted left eye. Or better, make the eye corruption messy and unclean like his arm/chest portion. That will push it to S tier easily.
Thanks for putting the music used in the description, it's so rare nowadays, and I was losing my sanity while looking for which music was at 14:28 (so Linne's theme)
An opinion from someone who loves Janna and has been a main for 9 years: They didn't keep anything from the original Janna, it's like they were two different characters, even her VA isn't the same, that's what I really hated. I loved that they put shurima elements on her, but I hated that she is using so many gold pieces, this makes her design less light and ethereal, and this is necessary for a wind concept, the crystal staff helped with this, it gave a feeling of lightness, in addition to being the most characteristic blue element in her design... and well, in the redesign she has very few blue elements, which was necessary because in lore she is called "The Blue Bird" (and Riot didn't add it in her bird form either)
I absolutely love Morgana's redesign, it actually fits her lore and doesn't make her look goofy, its more detailed and targonian, and i personally like that theres a resemblance to Kayle when she's unleashing her divinity Janna on the other hand just kinda looks like a pig? Idk smth about the ears and the nose doesn't seem right, Coven Janna tho, peak
15:12 The Mordekaiser one looks like a deceptive good guy. Like, i can imagine him picking up a deer in the forest and help him get to the other side of the river and his helm deforms the eyes making a happy face like 😊 Edit: A noble giant type of man, maybe im just delulu
To add on to your point about blue mord is that I like how it separates him from the the ruination because lore wise he had no part of that yet he looked like a war general for veigo
Great tierlist! exept morde, his league desing is beliavable, an actual suit of armor you could see existing in a fantasy world, New morde has proportions SO EXAGARATED, its goofy - his horns? HUGE, legs? - HUGE KNEE CAPS, etc etc, and its so open, morde is supossed to be a imprisoned soul in a suit of armor, but its so open in this new desing, looks like he is gonna move and his soul is gonna leak out, and altough i like his color changing to dissociate with the shadow isles, i think this is just not the blue that works for him, its close, but its still not quite it. the league version, is almost perfect, and i prefer it 10000x times more then this new lor one. (also the mace looks like CRAAAAAAP)
My biggest thing with the Annie we have in League is that she's wearing eye-shadow... like... dude, she's NINE YEARS OLD. What 9-year-old needs eye-shadow? The redesign is amazing and I wish we had it in League proper instead of the jumbled mess we currently have. Also fantastic that her eye colour is now Orange, to hint at the demon inside her, instead of Green which clashes with everything else. The redesign is way more cohesive, I love it.
Honestly, I kinda just like how the LoR redesigns are less sexual. Like, they feel more practical and organic and ironically at least to me that’s sexier
They took Kaisa's skinsuit and realized that because she has normal human proportions, they could take things away to make her look monstrous but making this separate from her body, she looks more scary
Bluedakaiser looks really nice, it separates him from the shadow isles, but I don't like how they made it look like blue fire. makes him kinda look like a ghost rider variant tbh
I am not a fan of Janna's redesign unless it comes with a hefty caveat that Janna is capable of shape-shifting by function of her (it?) not being human. I'll buy that she maybe changes shape based on the people and beliefs around her to be less foreign and frightening to the people she's trying to help. This could explain how she looked a certain way in Piltover and Zaun while now looking differently in a different place. But I don't think there's much sense in rewriting her to be Shuriman and changing her design to be Shuriman, period, if she's not even a human. You could keep both designs canon and validate everyone's impression and experience of her character that way.
i think mord design wise their trying to give the idea that hes not in his original armor but something made in the shadow isle by his cultists for him to posses which explains the more shadow isle color scheme and the different look. i also think on the morgana one the level 2 the whole idea is that she is using more of her power as an aspect so her form starts to look more like kayles because of that, their the twin aspect of justice the idea that their aspect form is mirrored just plays into that.
@@quentin7670 lor seems to be infuring that he does since hes split shadow isles noxus, plus deathgrasp cultist which is a cultist of his is specifically in shadow isles.
I main Kayn and I agree with pretty much all you said. I was a bit disappointed when I bought him in LoR when he came out. I could also take or leave the robe, I think the exposed chest works well, but add the more distortion from the LoR version. Also, KEEP THE RED GLOWING EYE! Morgana I'm also with you pretty much 100%, but honestly I do think she's one of the champs that benefits from a larger chest. I've kind of associated that with her and her caring nature since the redesign and it just feels a little off. Her face and clothing are sooo much better though in her lvl 1 As far as Nidalee goes, literally no words. It's beyond perfect.
Great video and I agree with a lot of your tier list. As someone with more animator/gameplay design background though I have concerns with some of the redesign "concept art" and how much it would have to be changed for the character to both be animated and visually clear in an Esport game. I noticed you briefly brought up these thoughts with asol but in a future list like this I'd like to hear more about your thoughts on which designs would translate easily and which ones would need big concessions/adaptations. For example I had alarm bells going off with how I'd implement that Zilean concept although I may be overcomplicating it.
I actually like that they moved Malphite over to Targon. Like yeah, he started as part of Ixtal, but then naturally went towards the mountainous region of Targon and just kind of chills with the earth elementals there and Chip.
I feel like Mordi still looks scary just in a different way, instead of an immovable object he looks more like an unstoppable force, leaning more into the immortal emporer you can't hope to best because he's a spirit and will just kill you and drain your soul, as opposed to a big brick wall you can't beat because you can't even scratch, both look awesome and both are TERRIFYING it's just one take a bit more context to be imposing
Tbh is like the idea of Janna using her staff like a broom/thing to float on, like visually it’d look better to see her gracefully floating around with fabric trailing behind her in the wind, her in game model doesn’t really do her justice
I knew it would be a bad idea to watch this before going to bed because Yi is on the list and that affects me more than caffeine... Well, here I am, more awake than before👏🏻 (but grateful you kept it brief with him or I would explode)
I think bluedekaiser is similar to Xerath. There's a lot that's done really well, I think the choice of the ethereal blue is good to separate him from Shadow Isles, LoR really leans into the overlord aspect of his character (god the voicelines and animation is so good) but I do miss the more front line warlord aspect, it is key to his character that he personally fights, the closed off armour does that better I think with the brutal pragmatism of Noxus. Also while I understand the storytelling of the throne it states in his story that he has no need of thrones as he is untiring and eternal having no need of a seat to rule from
I love what they did with A Sol's hands in lor. In league they look like regular muscular dragonoid hands, while in lor they are old and wrinkled with increadibly long nails n shit. It just looks so cool and creepy, but in a way that feels right for A Sol
I always liked the theory that the reason why mordekaiser looks so different is that runeterra mordekaiser is what he looks like in the gray realm/death realm and the armor we see in league is his living world armor or his amor that he wears when he is on planet
I still love Morgana’s designs. I like seeing her level one “down to earth/ humble” design but I also love that in her level 2 she has to unleash and let the divinity and power show, even if she doesn’t want to. I do wish we could’ve explored her concept art a bit more, because her design started off with a sword which shocked me that she would wield one again!
If you fellas like this one enough, perhaps we do one on the Wild Rift/Riot Forge redesigns in the future?
ALSO MERRY CHRIMBUS TO THOSE THAT CELEBRATE IT TODAY
Merry Christmas this was a fun one to watch
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Merry Christmas and I look forward to watching you roast smooth-skined Brand and shiny-plastic-arm Kayn
merry crimus and yeah maybe that would be a good idea
I actually really love morganas redesign, it makes her look like a compassionate judge who justly punish people instead of an edgelord
Same
My only gripe with Morgana’s redesign is that the LoR team messed up her wings hard (she has 6, not 2-4), but she looks good otherwise.
Counter point: I prefer Mommy Dommy Morgana more
@@schaakakon9473 oh she still is don’t worry
I saw some of the earlier concept art and her clothes were a lot more modest, which I liked. She was literally vialed, like covering the majority of her face, in one of them. Which I think is really cool considering she's "The Veiled One." I still like what they settled on though, I think the other ideas fundamentally wound up looking too Eastern for the Targon/Demacia aesthetics.
Seraphine and Master Yi are probably my all time favorites of LOR redesigns because it’s such a simple yet amazing glow up.
Same, except also add Zilean for me
@@imperatacylindrica8993 same Zilean is probably my third favorite I just didn’t add him. My bad
Cait's a contender as well. She couldn't have done her job in her old suit. The redux made her look like part of Runeterra.
Lor made me love Yi, when League made me hate. Him
@@worminaround Master Yi is what got me interested in League and to try it out. So he’s had a special place for me
i think bluedekaiser is fine in terms of colour, but the chest piece and especially the helmet make him so much less intimidating. it removes his massive presence that the og splash art has, and makes him look like an old cartoon villain.
They changed him away from undead because China censors anything death related. Undead censorship is extremely weak minded.
I think in LoR they're leaning much more heavily into the undead overlord aspect of his character which I love but it does sacrifice the undying frontline warrior warlord of the League design
Honestly, I was relieved that they turned him blue, since a lot of people keep mistaking him for a shadow isles champ bc of that color scheme
The colour isnt the issue. It's the ugly-ass helmet@@ArukiTsukaru
fr I like colour too but he seriously just went from Dark Souls boss to your average villain of the week. I might even say old old mord is more intimidating.
"Jax is very humble."
Jax: "You wanna line up for your beatings or go all at once?"
Yeah, no, I adore his League of Legends redesign than his LOR one, it gives off this gym bro vibes I always found endearing in him.
Jax is cocky and proud, but not arrogant. He's seen shit and been through shit, so his attitude comes from knowing he's the best, not just feeling like he is
@@joshualin5476while I agree he isn’t arrogant the whole concept of knowing your the best is flawed, there’s always someone better
@@chainsawboy2388 not if he has a real weapon
@@joshualin5476yeah, you know how Darkin are basically gods in humanoid form built for war? Jax fought one to a standstill
I just love what they did to Nidalee, maybe 'cause I'm a abs fan, but her design looking really Vastaya and her looking like a real talented hunter instead of a Playboy costume just makes me love her
I didn't know she was supposed to be a vastayan until that rework came out. That's how big this redesign is for me.
@@dimondbladewhat she a veistyan i never knew thar
@@dimondbladein the lore she isnt 100% vastayan, but she is descended from one. like one of her grandparents was vastayan type thing
Agreed, also coming from an abs fan
I had no idea she was vastayan
One miner point. Corsets are not what people think they are, and it would make sense for someone who does physical labor to wear one.
Corsets offer a lot of spinal support and support the breasts much like bras do. They also protect your hips if they are carrying a heavyweight.
The issue was never corsets themselves it was the practice of tight lacing. But if worn properly corsets are not only comfortable, but incredibly supportive.
Wow, never knew corsets were actually used for working in. You learn something new every day.
My biggest issue with the Trundle redesign is his size. All of Trundle's stories make pretty explicit mention of his size, or rather lack of for a Troll and a lot of his stories are about overcoming his smaller stature with intellect in order to take over X or Y tribe in a test of strength. Trundle's quite a little guy by Troll standards but he's huge in LoR and a lot of his followers are really small which makes the 1 defining aspect of Trundle that seperates him from every other fantasy Troll completely lost in the transition. Frost Trolls aren't unique, a troll king with a magic weapon isn't unique, a troll working for someone related to eldritch abomination isn't unique but what seperates Trundle from these other fantasy Troll kings is his size.
The thing is trundle is small compared to alot of the trolls even in lor all the not beatsticks are short while all the big beefy Stat stick 1s are like 4× the size of a house the only real issue I saw was that trundle doesn't look to different from the other troll other than his club they could have given him true ice armor or something that makes him stand out from the other troll cards
Well tbh his braindead play style doesn't stay true to lore either
One concept I would have been partial to for a Janna redesign is retaining her shuriman clothing, BUT instead having her wind staff be an offering gifted to her by her followers in Zaun. It'd basically be a fractured amalgam of scrap metal and stained glass, but she would love it all the same.
I don't like that, I prefer her staff to be an important element in the use of her powers. I liked what they did, they made the staff part of her. But I think it should have been made of crystal like the original design, as a reference to the rarefied air, and that also made it more unique, no other champion uses a crystal staff, now golden staff...there are thousands
@@Airwinsy9948 I understand her staff being an original part of her, but when referring to a God weakened by years of lacking the power of faith, I felt an imperfect design was in order. The Shurimans were forced to abandon Janna just like how the Zaunites continue to be abandoned by their Piltovan neighbors. She is a part of them, so I thought it fitting they be a part of her.
@@anthonymorales9869 Actually they changed it, her power no longer weakens based on the faith of her followers, is no longer mentioned in the lore
but I like your idea, maybe something like a medallion that would clearly imply "I'm with Zaun"
Big big idea
@@Airwinsy9948 where did they confirm this?
When I saw Nidalee's redesigned human form my jaw dropped. When I saw her beast form, my jaw detached and hit the floor. 10/10
Agreed
The amount of discourse we would've been spared from if Seraphine released with her Level 2 LoR design, one can only imagine.
Her visual design was far from her only problem on release, I don’t think it would’ve changed anything.
I think a cool concept with Mordekaiser is that he can canonically have a different armour set and appearance for what he looks like in the death realm and what he looks like in Runeterra as they are different personifications of his armour based on when are where they were made. His armour in the death realm is likely his older armour that he envisaged compared to his new armour in Runeterra.
You can differentiate by Blue Kaiser being his ornamental armor, and Mordekaiser Green armor being the war one, the one he fights with.
@@warcriminalyeswhat you said will be a good idea but I still think the blue one is kind of ugly because it looks like a brick but adding on the Regal attributes is good.
Also I'll be fine if they changed his ghost energy into a somewhat dark greyish blue colour.
@madmank7881 I think blue makes sense.
Green is the corrupted shit that Viego made.
Blue? Is his death magic, that way you can differentiate his stuff from shadow isles weaklings.
What they did with Xerath is what we call "verschlimmbessern" in germany, which essentially means, you make something worse, by making it better.
Another day, another great German expression learned
I could see the robe for Kayn working better as a way to show maturity, if Riot were to ever further Kayn's character and take him from a cocky show-off to a Kayn who's a little wiser and has less need to prove himself (but they sadly won't since furthering his lore would mean having to choose between Kayn or Rhaast winning and there would be outrage if Riot killed off a champion that people have grown attached to)
kayn will never become mature, and thinking he will shows you really dont know what his character is about. kayn is so self absorbed hes able to resist the take-over of a darkin, something not a single other person has ever been able to do. him becoming shadow assassin takes it even further, his cockiness is proven right and he gets the power to prove it.
Yeah him being more clothed makes him look more important, with him being second to Zed and all that, shirtless is more carefree, which he is not so much. That said the robe is lame, they took out all the details from the belt and replaced him with pijamas.
@@jynxed66six54 I don't think "mature" is the right word here, he is cocky but you overestimate how much, Rhaast references a lot how he has doubts and he has a lot of respect for people like Zed and Shen. I'd argue his arrogance is more a facade than anything, both Kayle and Yi call him a scared child in the inside, to say that he can hold on Rhaast only because he is cocky is a disservice to his character, especially when his color story highlights it was his will to live that set him apart from others.
Like every character he is not incapable of change, not when his themes revolve around transformation and clear indications he still suffers from a lot of trauma.
"There would be outrage if Riot killed off a champion"
Gangplank mains: *war flashbacks*
I don't fully believe that the thing around Riven's waist is a corset, but is more of a fitness belt type of thing that weightlifters use. This is because if Riven's lore it's explained that the runic weapon she has is an extremely heavy weapon. Even though she can wield the heavy blade, it would still take a toll on her body in how you'd swing a blade, whether it be overhead, side to side, etc. She wears that fitness belt (for lack of a better term) to reduce the stress on her lower back for carrying things in an upright position and prevents back hyperextension for overhead lifts (such as swinging her heavy sword). And later on, when she's in exile, she continues to wear it because she helps with heavy labor on farms for Ionian people, where she'd definitely would want to wear such a piece of equipment.
Granted this is just me looking at it from a logical standpoint, some of the designs do look a bit off for it to be a fitness belt like I believe. For example, her base model in LoL does look extremely similar to that of a corset, buttons and all. However, in her LoR splash it looks more like a brace for her lower body. Additionally, in the Awaken cinematic it looks like a wrap placed around her lower body to keep her attached to the stand she was chained to. It doesn't help my case that most if not all of Rivem's skins in LoL have either completely gotten rid of the fitness belt, or replaced it with a small belt that would not even be considered as such.
That's just my viewpoint on it and felt like sharing it. Keep up the awesome videos!
Wait I actually really like that take!
I think medieval corsets accomplished the things you have listed. The historical ones, not the weird, over the skin and super tight ones that the movies show. People wore stuff for reason, either practical or aesthetical.
The new mordekaiser just doesn't look as tanky i think theres just to many holes in his armor
Yeah he's no longer a juggernaut but just some blue spirit possessing an armor. I don't like how many gaps he has as well as the floating head.
He looks like Xerath hit the gym
I still hold onto my headcannnon that Kai'sa's human face IS the mask since the Void has erased so much of her natural humanity by this point.
Honestly, this is a much better headcanon.
Would be a nice headcannon, though it would retroactively make the scene in the belveth cinematic look pretty stupid.
@@Tiltigo Not completely. The Void parasite may have devoured Kaisa's body, but it absorbed her memories and her humanity to an extent. This new form, this Kai'Sa, wears her face as a reminder that life is worth protecting even at the expense of their own kind.
Could also add a parallel with Belveth because they both try to look human for completely different reasons.
@@anthonymorales9869It's pretty much shown that despite how she looks fully cloaked, she's still human and cares about people, others seem to just ignore that part of her lore.
Seraphine turned from a character I don't wanna see to a one that am begging to see in arcane ✨
God I know the arcane team would do her so well, make her a proper activist and a strong personality instead of just a "la dee da peace is good we should be friends :)" pop star
@@somedragonbastard facts hope she get the rework design in lol two
It would be amazing! Arcane has proven throughout the whole first season how well they deal with female characters, how they are not there to be sexualized or to be a porn parody, but to be human, to be woman who you can see in the strength of your mother, in the love of your girlfriend, in the admiration from your sister. They are not just sex dolls (looking at you, old Caitlyn version) but ACTUAL workers, ACTUAL fighters, ACTUAL creators. Imagine what they would do to Seraphine character? The debate of “she’s only a girly girl champion with no content!” could finally be finished and LoL could definitely use her development from Arcane to the game
@@nana-cr1vcit's great that it's mostly liked as well. Cause I had some people genuinely argue with me that the old Cait design was better
Christ, seraphine in arcane. The idea of that made me sick.
Janna actually took my breath away (haha) when I saw her god form.
Janna
@@Airwinsy9948 thank you
You pointed out 2 good things for Mordekaiser - the red and the leg armour, that show noxus. That's it, nothing else of the redesign was good, all the invincibility, that he practicaly oosed was lost, even his mace lost much of its threatheningness. Everything else from his armour was worsened, his new voicelines do not give the impression the ones in LOL do. Look at the other design options, that they looked at. While there were some worse designs, I have no clue how they got this when there were so many other better versions, that retained the things that made Many of the LOR redesign haters love Mordekaiser.
(Sorry for the rant, but I needed to get this off my chest)
What's weird is he was like "This sucks. This sucks. This part sucks. But his armor looks like it's from Noxus. A Tier." Like what?
I agree with all of this except the voice part I think they ABSOLUTELY NAILED IT. Don't get me wrong I LOVE mordekaiser voice lines but in league he sounds more chill and monotone which has its perks but in LOR his voice is BOOMING WITH ANGER AND EMOTION like I love his level up voicelines "FIGHT FLEE IT WILL MAKE NOO DIFFERENCE" UGH chills, its not only angrier but also shows of other emotions like confusion in his reply to volibears "Take heed metal man, you speak to a true death maker" with "Death maker? You have nothing to threaten me with" id personally give his new voice a 13/10 while his old voice was a 10/10. his design on the other hand I agree with it just looks weak af, bro looks like xerath.
Thee voice lines definetly missed the mark hard. In League he sounds calm composed absolutely steadfast in his goals, like he knows his victory is inevitable no matter what. In LOR he sounds angry, impatient and short tempered which goes against his lore of literally faking his death and biding his time to comee back stronger. He has such an indominable spirit you couldnt phase him no matter what you did or say.
About Janna ascended looking like Kayle is a fair criticism, but the problem lies in Kayle not looking as Kayle so much. Ever since her redesign removed her Armor in order to get the more generic suite ever she has lacked identity. It makes sense for them to be somewhat similar deity figures but that is all Kayle's LoL rework is that is a problem of Kayle design itself because we've seen her, Morgana and their mother look very similar yet still have their own identity. I pray for a VU for Kayle in lol to make her look more like her mom when she was just an aspect.
The problem with this design of Janna's transformation is that she uses a lot of gold pieces, yellow colors and few blue details and this is already Kayle's color scheme. This form should have more crystal pieces (like the original Staff), predominant blue (after all, she is the blue bird) and less yellow
@@Airwinsy9948 Kayle used to have red too in her colo scheme. They removed that in her rework. It's an interesting point but I think both can coexist using gold.
@@miguelsanchez825 Yes, the problem is both coexisting using gold, yellow and blue 💀
And Janna in this form looks too "divine", she looks like one of Kayle's followers
Mordekaiser in anything above C is an insane take
Quinn, for me, was the reason I started LoR, while Nida and Morg are the reason I came back. I love their designs in LoR and Quinn's spanish voice in LoR, she sounds more gentle and calm, i would say even more confident.
It's a shame they blurred out Quinn in her own level 2 art tho. Always bothered me.
I actually think the new lor trundle goes against his story. Hes kinda the runt of his tribe and was more reliant on his cunning than the brute strength of the average troll. Therefore the more scrawny look in league fits him better than his buff himbo lor look
This made my holidays better, thank you nicky man
i think that Kayn design may be less of a direct redesign and more of a story progression. While losing the eye does hinder this theory, the level of corruption and how it can be seen on even his more human arm and how he is clearly far more beastial in his mannerisms and those glowing eyes are 100% inhuman and Darkin inspired surely can make this easy to believe as a lore progression design
5:36 We think of a corset as a fashion accesory of oppresion nowadays but back in the day the normal working woman wore a corset kind of as a bra and backsupport in one, so I like the corset because it doesnt look like a fashionale corset like pilovians do it looks like a working corset
When the Sister looks like the sister
NickyBoi: Suprised Pikachu
I just love that people still use Skooch's "NOXIAN MIGHT"
Couldn't have said it better myself for the Zilean, He has so much more grounding and definition in the story of runeterra than he used to with this design
For me, I love the Annie redesign but wish they would have gone with the version from Origins - it’s just so good
New Mordekaiser looks like the villain of a kids cartoon.
Like the lego version of Mordekaiser.
For riven’s leather corset type thing. It’s more just like a cinch or even leather armor than anything like an actual corset. As someone who does costuming these waist binds are actually fairly comfortable and are good for keeping your back straight as long as you don’t wear them purposely super tight.
I have the same opinion about LoR Kayn. I like the robe because it adds Ionia feeling to him more. (Having only baggy pants doesn't sell much.) But man I hope they keep the corrupted left eye. Or better, make the eye corruption messy and unclean like his arm/chest portion. That will push it to S tier easily.
Nicky's idea for Rumble is really cool!
MAKE THE LIGHTNING RAT LISTENABLE AGAIN ⚡️⚡️🐹🐹
So true
He will avenge his students!
But first he must avenge his students
Thanks for putting the music used in the description, it's so rare nowadays, and I was losing my sanity while looking for which music was at 14:28 (so Linne's theme)
I wish they would use Ahri’s ruined king or LOR design for her design in league. Love the look and personality they went for.
“it makes her look more like kayle” they made her look like her twin 😮? naaaah no way how dare they
I'm never super into drawn characters but Sentinel Vayne just does something to me, man. I think it's the hair and glasses.
The Riven "corset" I think is meant to be like a weighlifter's belt to brace her back.
An opinion from someone who loves Janna and has been a main for 9 years: They didn't keep anything from the original Janna, it's like they were two different characters, even her VA isn't the same, that's what I really hated.
I loved that they put shurima elements on her, but I hated that she is using so many gold pieces, this makes her design less light and ethereal, and this is necessary for a wind concept, the crystal staff helped with this, it gave a feeling of lightness, in addition to being the most characteristic blue element in her design... and well, in the redesign she has very few blue elements, which was necessary because in lore she is called "The Blue Bird" (and Riot didn't add it in her bird form either)
U got no idea how many times I double tapped on the left of my screen for that "Fellas"
I absolutely love Morgana's redesign, it actually fits her lore and doesn't make her look goofy, its more detailed and targonian, and i personally like that theres a resemblance to Kayle when she's unleashing her divinity
Janna on the other hand just kinda looks like a pig? Idk smth about the ears and the nose doesn't seem right, Coven Janna tho, peak
Oh, I just noticed how LeBlanc's crown in LoR is more Mordekaiser lookin
Dude I *love* the Jet Set Radio music. I know it was only there for a little bit but I just had to give it a shout out.
liking blue Mord is fukcdin crazy talk.
15:12 The Mordekaiser one looks like a deceptive good guy. Like, i can imagine him picking up a deer in the forest and help him get to the other side of the river and his helm deforms the eyes making a happy face like 😊
Edit: A noble giant type of man, maybe im just delulu
I can’t unsee that, if you put him as a noble king in a storybook it actually so scary how well he fits.
To add on to your point about blue mord is that I like how it separates him from the the ruination because lore wise he had no part of that yet he looked like a war general for veigo
Great tierlist! exept morde, his league desing is beliavable, an actual suit of armor you could see existing in a fantasy world, New morde has proportions SO EXAGARATED, its goofy - his horns? HUGE, legs? - HUGE KNEE CAPS, etc etc, and its so open, morde is supossed to be a imprisoned soul in a suit of armor, but its so open in this new desing, looks like he is gonna move and his soul is gonna leak out, and altough i like his color changing to dissociate with the shadow isles, i think this is just not the blue that works for him, its close, but its still not quite it. the league version, is almost perfect, and i prefer it 10000x times more then this new lor one. (also the mace looks like CRAAAAAAP)
I always thought of that band around Riven's waist was more akin to like a lifter belt since her sword is so massive it just kinda tracked for me.
My biggest thing with the Annie we have in League is that she's wearing eye-shadow... like... dude, she's NINE YEARS OLD. What 9-year-old needs eye-shadow? The redesign is amazing and I wish we had it in League proper instead of the jumbled mess we currently have. Also fantastic that her eye colour is now Orange, to hint at the demon inside her, instead of Green which clashes with everything else. The redesign is way more cohesive, I love it.
I just love the fact that you try to explain Warhammer Ork lore in a LOR video. You got to love Ork lore
Honestly, I kinda just like how the LoR redesigns are less sexual. Like, they feel more practical and organic and ironically at least to me that’s sexier
I had to do a double take at 8:06 when Nicky had his cursor hovering over Kai'sa's eye and it made her look perfectly unhinged 😂
Mordekaiser's new look is literally just a rip-off of Xerath.
Very big brain move comparing in game models and arts
They took Kaisa's skinsuit and realized that because she has normal human proportions, they could take things away to make her look monstrous but making this separate from her body, she looks more scary
LoR Quinn is great, she actually looks like a stealthy scout. Give it to me!!!!!
Bluedakaiser looks really nice, it separates him from the shadow isles, but I don't like how they made it look like blue fire. makes him kinda look like a ghost rider variant tbh
Dude the Jet Set Radio Future playlist is top tier background music
Nicky liked bluedekaiser, his opinion on other redesigns is now invalid
8:20 He said "skin suit" and I immediately thought of Revenant 😅😂
Why are you comparing models instead of splash arts?
It makes little sense.
Love hearing the Sonic DJ mix music in a video lol
I am not a fan of Janna's redesign unless it comes with a hefty caveat that Janna is capable of shape-shifting by function of her (it?) not being human. I'll buy that she maybe changes shape based on the people and beliefs around her to be less foreign and frightening to the people she's trying to help. This could explain how she looked a certain way in Piltover and Zaun while now looking differently in a different place. But I don't think there's much sense in rewriting her to be Shuriman and changing her design to be Shuriman, period, if she's not even a human. You could keep both designs canon and validate everyone's impression and experience of her character that way.
What have you done. I need "All my fellas" NyckyBoi version NOW
I picture LoR Jax being how someone who fought him or saw him fight would describe him after the fact, with all the embellishment that entails.
Subscribed just for the Tetsuya Nomura reference lol
i think mord design wise their trying to give the idea that hes not in his original armor but something made in the shadow isle by his cultists for him to posses which explains the more shadow isle color scheme and the different look. i also think on the morgana one the level 2 the whole idea is that she is using more of her power as an aspect so her form starts to look more like kayles because of that, their the twin aspect of justice the idea that their aspect form is mirrored just plays into that.
He doesn’t have cultists on the shadow isles tho? Maybe you’re referring to his old lore
@@quentin7670 lor seems to be infuring that he does since hes split shadow isles noxus, plus deathgrasp cultist which is a cultist of his is specifically in shadow isles.
16:30 Click here to see NickyBoi praising Mordekaiser's nipple ornaments
I main Kayn and I agree with pretty much all you said. I was a bit disappointed when I bought him in LoR when he came out. I could also take or leave the robe, I think the exposed chest works well, but add the more distortion from the LoR version. Also, KEEP THE RED GLOWING EYE!
Morgana I'm also with you pretty much 100%, but honestly I do think she's one of the champs that benefits from a larger chest. I've kind of associated that with her and her caring nature since the redesign and it just feels a little off. Her face and clothing are sooo much better though in her lvl 1
As far as Nidalee goes, literally no words. It's beyond perfect.
The Animorphs transformation caught me by fcking surprise! 🤣
just as an fyi we've seen yi's face all the way back in 2019 in the short story "homecoming" while the redesign is live in 2022 for LoR
Morgana's concept arts as The Veiled Lady is peak Morgana, should've been also applied to her level 2 tbh
Lmao the one second clip of Sven Larian Studios
There's something poetic aboutt nicky putting a seraphine in S+.
the new morde helmet design do remind me of the shape of the immortal bastien with those long parts which i do like
Great video and I agree with a lot of your tier list.
As someone with more animator/gameplay design background though I have concerns with some of the redesign "concept art" and how much it would have to be changed for the character to both be animated and visually clear in an Esport game. I noticed you briefly brought up these thoughts with asol but in a future list like this I'd like to hear more about your thoughts on which designs would translate easily and which ones would need big concessions/adaptations. For example I had alarm bells going off with how I'd implement that Zilean concept although I may be overcomplicating it.
Neeko didn't get an update because she's perfect
Aurelion should get a tier of his own just because how much of a badass he looks in lor
I CANNOT CONCENT WITH JET SET RADIO FUTURE MUSICICCCCC.
Omg I like it I like it
I actually like that they moved Malphite over to Targon. Like yeah, he started as part of Ixtal, but then naturally went towards the mountainous region of Targon and just kind of chills with the earth elementals there and Chip.
I feel like Mordi still looks scary just in a different way, instead of an immovable object he looks more like an unstoppable force, leaning more into the immortal emporer you can't hope to best because he's a spirit and will just kill you and drain your soul, as opposed to a big brick wall you can't beat because you can't even scratch, both look awesome and both are TERRIFYING it's just one take a bit more context to be imposing
THE A MIMIR MEME took me by surprise, greeting from brasil
Tbh is like the idea of Janna using her staff like a broom/thing to float on, like visually it’d look better to see her gracefully floating around with fabric trailing behind her in the wind, her in game model doesn’t really do her justice
I knew it would be a bad idea to watch this before going to bed because Yi is on the list and that affects me more than caffeine... Well, here I am, more awake than before👏🏻 (but grateful you kept it brief with him or I would explode)
25:34 You my friend just described the average engineering degree experience
6:29 I never get tired of the brazillian memes
I really like the art of soraka's level 2, she looks so grand, powerful and out of this world
Damn, he really did forgot my homie Veigar
Morde better be right down in the "get this shit out of my face tier"
Edit: ...Oof.
I think bluedekaiser is similar to Xerath. There's a lot that's done really well, I think the choice of the ethereal blue is good to separate him from Shadow Isles, LoR really leans into the overlord aspect of his character (god the voicelines and animation is so good) but I do miss the more front line warlord aspect, it is key to his character that he personally fights, the closed off armour does that better I think with the brutal pragmatism of Noxus.
Also while I understand the storytelling of the throne it states in his story that he has no need of thrones as he is untiring and eternal having no need of a seat to rule from
mordekaiser just feels empty, like, not a IRON revenant, but some blue light in hollow armor, no personality, dosent fell alive
I enjoy the editing in this one.
Seraphine, Master Yi and Zilean in LoR : 💜💚🤍
Seraphine in LoL: ✨
Master Yi in LoL: Q
Zilean in LoL: 💀
I love what they did with A Sol's hands in lor. In league they look like regular muscular dragonoid hands, while in lor they are old and wrinkled with increadibly long nails n shit. It just looks so cool and creepy, but in a way that feels right for A Sol
I always liked the theory that the reason why mordekaiser looks so different is that runeterra mordekaiser is what he looks like in the gray realm/death realm and the armor we see in league is his living world armor or his amor that he wears when he is on planet
Bluekaiser looks terrible.
He looks like a generic mob monster you kill in an MMO, not the final boss
I still love Morgana’s designs. I like seeing her level one “down to earth/ humble” design but I also love that in her level 2 she has to unleash and let the divinity and power show, even if she doesn’t want to. I do wish we could’ve explored her concept art a bit more, because her design started off with a sword which shocked me that she would wield one again!