FUD motors Booze cruise drives like a Drunken sailor and cannot operate ANYWHERE, any Time of Day or Night, in ANY Weather. * is ONLY hand free on PRE Mapped Highway . NOT 99% of Roads. Booze cruise EGO does NOT have much CONFIDENCE in anything it does. it Cannot handle Chuck Cook style UNPROTECTED left turns.
As a pilot, the interaction between the assistant systems in the driver is not just horrific. It’s actually scary. In an aircraft, there is no question whether auto pilot is in control, or if the pilot is in command. Audio feedback of system state is critical !!
It's the lack of audible warnings that was the worst imo. If someone used it enough they'd get used to it, but it should all be insanely obvious, especially to a nerd like me that cares about all these details.
No doubt, you need a master warning light and sound. In the Model 3 the screen displays a large red steering wheel along with an audible. As a side note, I don't think the little autopilot "On" symbol is effective in the Model 3. In an aircraft you have a clear indication that the autopilot is "On", but in my Model 3 I have to look for the tiny symbol at the top left of the screen to verify if it's On. We need better Driving Mode Annunciations in these cars. In either case, great video pointing out the differences between Tesla and Ford's Blue Cruise.
This is mostly fixed today, but it’s still very easy for pilots to think the autopilot is engaged, or other features like the auto throttle, when they’re not actually engaged. There are hyper specific scenarios where commercial airplanes won’t tell you those systems are either overridden or disengaged that have caused dozens of accidents. So no, it’s not always true that there’s no question whether the pilot is in command.
While FSD Beta is better, when I was using the official release before signing up for the Beta program I was frightened by how easy it was to unintentionally deactivate self driving while trying to satisfy the nag. It wasn't always obvious and on a curve it was especially dangerous.
@@shableep There are actually several chimes and visual indicators on the gauge cluster. When it goes into hands on mode (still steering itself, hands on wheel required) there is just a visual indicator. When it cancels, it makes a simple "bing!" sound. When it wants you to resume control immediately, the system repeatedly plays "bing bing bing" sounds until you take over control. The version of BlueCruise he was using did not have the new 1.2 features such as automatic lane changes, in lane repositioning, and predictive speed assist for handling curves. So when he engages the turn signal, BlueCruise turns off momentarily so he can complete the lane change manually. It automatically reengages once the vehicle is in the new lane for a few seconds. I believe that BlueCruise is actually ahead of Tesla just because it is hands free. Got a Mach-E over a Tesla mostly for this reason alone.
You should do a series where you compare and rank/score the self-driving of many different manufacturers. it would be very interesting, especially if you can repeat the tests every few months to see how they've changed or improved.
An excellent point. When "Does it want to kill people?" and "Is it perfect?" are commonly the only criteria, a thorough apples-to-apples comparison would be helpful and revealing.
I agree! This is something I've been searching for and there are only a few videos of people testing Tesla autopilot vs BMW and BlueCruise but would be great to have a complete comparison.
Even just autopilot/enhance bautopilot is much safer!! Holy shit. But the press keep’s criticizing Tesla. Maybe they should buy ads, just to shut them up with money.
Actually anyone driving with this would realize the problem (no chime when autosteering is off) within the first 5 minutes, and it should be a simple software fix. And they cant get that straight. Doesnt look good for Ford's future.
This video makes it easier for me to understand why people are scared of Tesla drivers using AP/FSD. As a Tesla driver, I'm scared of people using this Blue Cruise system because I don't understand it.
I knew this would happen. You get a guy with no experience with blue cruise and all his followers are Tesla fans and will bash blue cruise. Watch a real blue cruise driver Patrick from Mach e vlog to make a descion. Not a new blue cruise person
I had Tesla autopilot, then FSD no beta and then FSD beta all since April. The thing about beta that is so nice is that I don't have to wonder what the car will try to do and what I need to do.
Just because it goes out of hands-free mode doesn't mean it quit steering, It just goes to hands-on mode. If it quits steering there's a pop-up on the screen and a noise. If it goes from hands-free to hands-on you get 5 or 10 seconds before you get a nag
I’m glad to see you were very honest about how the system performed. I am enthusiastic about fsd like many of us but this system you showed today has a long way to go.
Great video, as always. My wife has a MY and I have a Lightning so I get to drive both regularly. There are quirks to Bluecruise and a learning curve that is tougher than autopilot.... and I think the comparison is more appropriate with autopilot and not FSD. After the initial learning curve though, BC is nice to have on the highway. There are places autopilot struggles and there are places BC struggles. The difference, as you pointed out, is that when Tesla struggles, YOU KNOW ABOUT IT. BC isn't as in-your-face as it should be when it gives up. There are indicators, but you have to look for them. The one thing I was surprised you didn't notice (or maybe just didn't mention) is that BC ping-pongs a bit in the lane and it also hugs the right side of the lane more than I would like. All that being said, not having the nag is awesome. Not really autonomous driving-related comment: The Lightning is super comfy and roomy. This is my holdover until my number for the Cybertruck comes up which will likely be 3-4 years. If you are ever in Vegas and what to give BC again, just say the word. ;-)
Blue cruise allowed to select certain mph over speed limit and NHTSA forced Tesla to change for percentage. 😅 Shouldn't the rules be forced to everyone?
I took delivery of my Model Y LR about 3 weeks ago and it is my first EV. I have put about 2400 miles on the usual summer trips on it and I have the basic Autopilot and I have the V. 4 hardware. I will say that this is easiest car that I have ever owned (I am over 50 years old) so far to live with, but I have a few gripes with the basic AP. If I have the AP engaged and it is doing lane centering then when I do a lane change why do I have to apply force to the steering wheel for it to disengage. In my opinion if I activate the turn signal with the lane centering active then it should disengage lane centering and allow me to do the lane change and once the car is centered then put it back to lane centering mode. I think that it is too slow to respond to traffic that is moving slower in my lane, such as a car or truck the moves into my lane and has the car has to slow down. Also it is to slow to speed up once cars or trucks that are in front of me get out of my way.
I think the Comma 3 with openpilot would be a great addition to the Lightning. I love it in my wife's rav4 hybrid. I even prefer it to Tesla autopilot. Zero phantom braking and I can dodge potholes or debris on the road without disengaging plus it drives more like a human.
So Blue Cruise uses the Mobile Eye system which is promising level 4 within 3 years? Isn't it time we had a deep dive into the feasibility of that? How big is their fleet? What do we know about their system, sensors, data, AI Team etc.? I'm waiting for a Tesla TH-camr to take this on, it's really important for an investment thesis given that so much seems to ride on autonomy - where's dr know it all? Anybody?
Mobileye has several hour long deep dives on all of that on their TH-cam channel. They actually have a huge “fleet” and will likely be the main competitor to Tesla in this space. They have multiple products, with “Supervision” being their camera based tech while they also have robotaxi cars with extra sensors like LiDAR and high res radar. Intel bought them out and they’ve been doing driver assist for like 20+ years.
I'm a Tesla investor but I feel Tesla Uber Bulls are too cocky about FSD and Overlook many of the competitors... starting first with waymo they're actually launching in Los Angeles level 4 robo-taxi Service it's extremely safe and awesome the car drives fast and decisive.... at this point hasn't Google HD map the whole world at least the United States they are using AI llm Mobility
Glad I have autopilot, I use it on surface streets 90% of the time, and blue cruise doesn't work on any non-highway roads. Living out in the country there are a lot of long stretches of road without lights to worry about that autopilot is perfect for.
With autopilot only on, when you signal, there is no resistance on your manual lane change as well. Just wanted to point that out. You get bumped to normal adaptive cruise as soon as you initiate the lane change and have to turn autopilot back on afterwards.
There’s also a quick chime right after you turn on the turn signal and just before your turn the wheel for the lane change letting you know that the system is ready for you to complete the lane change.
I mean, I'll start out with 🤮in regards to their software interface, aka GUI. The 3D aspects of some of the controls and buttons needs to go, there is zero need to have shadows around them as it just creates unnecessary distance between interface items. That might help overall GUI response but, I think that is more to do with the actual hardware they are using.
A couple of things. One, the version of BlueCruise that you were testing doesn't do assisted lane changes. The new version (1.2) should be rolling out soon. We did a video testing it on a 2023 Mach-E and it also has a couple of other new features. Two, the no audible warning is because it is still steering for you. If you don't respond to the visual prompt to put your hands on for those sections, then it will sound a repeated warning. P.S. Happy birthday! (Your Twitter profile said it was your birthday.)
Must have been some confusion, I was told the Lightning had the lane change ability. It was also shown in Ford's BC TH-cam video (on a gas F-150). I did see the Mach-E was changing lanes with with BC as well. Maybe I'll have to give it another go.
@@DirtyTesla It is pretty annoying that it can be hard to tell what version of BlueCruise (or other software) is on the Mach-E or Lightning. But as far as I know, the only Ford vehicles with BlueCruise 1.2 are the 2023 Mach-Es. It is supposed to be an OTA for the Lightning and other Mach-Es later this year. If you do try it again, one way to tell if it has lane change assist is looking at the truck icon in the display. If it can do a lane change, it will have a left and right arrow icon surrounding the truck. On the Mach-E, it looks like a < and > sign. If you have the time, you should see if Ford can loan you a 23 Mach-E with BlueCruise 1.2.
Finally! A comment from a person who KNOWS what they’re talking about. I love BC on my 23’ Lariat ER, and it took a day or two to get used to but it’s great! Definitely no FSD but a giant step in the right direction. I’m looking forward to lane changes. I demo’d a Mach E that had BC with lane changes and it was pretty nice.
@@DirtyTesla A few more questions about BlueCruise; Can you use the adaptive cruise control (not BlueCruise) outside of highways? If the BlueCruise system disengages and tells you to take control, if you don't take over, will it just come to a stop like Tesla Autopilot would? What if you press the accelerator?
You can use ACC outside of highways. If you don't listen to the warnings, it will eventually pulse the brakes to get your attention and then I believe it either slows to a stop or 5mph without hazard lights :S
@@DirtyTesla Also, with the lane centering + ACC (without Hands-Free Blue Cruise) does it steer around curves or does it just help you be more centered in your lane?
Maybe if you pick two individuals who are legally allowed to drive but has no idea about Blue Cruise and FSD to test it out and switch between the system it would be a fair assessment. Both can be guided by an expert of the system as precaution. I recommend people who can drive but don't want to drive at all as main candidates.
I think I see why you were having such trouble with the system You were clicking the blue cruise button twice, You only click it once to activate it. You were turning it on and back off by clicking it twice. You click it once to turn on Blue Cruise and that activates Lane centering You don't have to click it twice to activate hands-free It activates hands-free automatically when it's available.
Great video Chris. I though tit was fairly balanced review. I drove my new MS with FSD to my son's place in Verona (500 miles) few days ago. FSD on highway was superb. Lane changes were automatic and smooth. Any idea as to why the car would move to the speeding lane most of the time?
Because it likes to pass traffic lol. It won't usually exit passing lane unless you have someone behind you. Also if using Nav on AP (and not beta) it has a setting for exiting passing lane
I miss the menu option that could be enabled to require user confirmation before car makes lane change . The car is so often in the wrong or inappropriate lanes on surface streets around. Examples: * Getting into and out of far right lanes which are for parking only till 3PM at which time they are not allowed for parling but only as extra drive lanes during drive time hours. * Getting into bus lanes, not to complete a turn, but thinking it's a normal drive lane * Getting into turn only lanes thinking they are straight lanes. * Getting into inappropriate roundabout lanes that don't align with directions or visualation.
FSD Beta 11.4.4 does NOT drift to the center of a lane anymore when the lane widens such as when a freeway onramp happens. It hugs the left lane in that situation.
If it does not turn off on a slight road turn. Which is the issue, the fact it can just turn off without clearly conveying it did. Even with a need to have a hand on the wheel, Tesla's AP has been a massive help in reducing fatigue on long trips and I was able to keep the system running for basically the entire way with zero incidents what so ever, even once avoiding me an accident from a truck that had cut in my lane with no turn signal from a blind spot. Blue cruise could be a great strain reducer but the need to constantly monitor the system for surprise disengagements makes it not worth it IMO. Hopefully they realize this bad design decision and come back to it because its honestly criminal no regulation agency has come on their ass for this already, when they have been doing so for AP (and as they should, any ADAS should be made robust and safe)
I just bought a Tesla and it took me a couple of long drives to get familiar with tthe autopilot to the point where im happy to use it. Most of the issues with blue cruise should be easy to fix with otas. Autopilot has been around a long time and has had plenty of customer feedback. Blue cruise hasn't had that yer. Mr Odowd wants all driver assistance systems to be perfect out of the box,and thats just not practical. All systems will need to iterate to a degree.
There is a loading circle for the whole driver assistance menu and after that you can still see it loading the individual lines of the sub menu. I don't get it.
No audible indicator with BlueCruise is where SuperCruise shines with it's clear visible indicators in the top of the steering wheel within your eyesite. And I do believe SuperCruise also has audile as wheel but can't confirm latest version has it.
When you said there was no resistance on the steering wheel i was thinking what if your reaching in your pocket or grabbing something off to the side and bump the steering wheel would you think it would disable "blue cruise"
Nice to have your comments from back home afterwards. Try with light in front of your face at home, instead of only from the ceiling. Sound is great and clean from home, compared to driving noises. Maybe this noises can be cancelled out.
@Dirty Tesla: Does FSD Beta hug to the left side of the lane? I testdrove a Tesla Model Y (new Berlin without radar). The salesperson did not recognize this when I told him....😢
😂 He looks uncomfortable driving then as soon as Auto driving takes over you can see him visibly relax. So much Tesla FSD has changed him to be used to being drove vs driving. He might be one of the first humans to reach this point, soon most people hate driving.
It would appear that very few designers of Blue Cruise actually put it to the test. This is the opposite of stress free driving. Who is in control??? You guess all the time.
that is scary. to trust the system i really need a chime of some sort for when the system needs my assistance or wants my attention. Have to say thats really good in Tesla. Before my Model3 i had a Mercedes CLS with distronic + and steering assist. It was able to keep the lane with very light curves. The biggest complaint i had was that the system was not giving any chime when its not in autosteer anymore. There was just a little green steeringwheel symbol in the dash which turned from green to gray :( Besides that there were countless complaints with this car and the many before it from that Brand. Glad i drive Tesla now.
I owned a Tesla and I also played with Nissan and Toyota's lane keeping. They just don't make any chime when the lane keeping is active - just like the blue cruise, it will give up at random time, and magically snap you back at the lane using minimal force. I can feel a tiny tweeny force on the steering wheel when it's on (definitely not as snap as Tesla). It's so confusing who is controlling the car - the car or me. I guess they do it deliberately to encourage driver to keep hands on wheel and actively driving. But if Ford is advertising hands free yet doesn't give chime while leaving autopilot mode, that's very alarming
The hyundia ioniq 5 has a similar system (not handsfree) for lane keeping that will disengage occasionally without any chimes or warning. Maybe be the same underlying system.
Hello Dirty Tesla! Big Fan. Is there any way you could get your hands on a 2015-ish Tesla Model S with the HW1 Mobileye and compare that Autopilot with the current systems? I know HW1 relied heavily on radar and one forward facing camera, and wanted to see how much better (or worse) it performs in stop and go traffic, etc.
I’ve got at least 50,000 highway AP1 miles on my 2014 Model S (now at 180,000 miles total). Trying to be unbiased here-but other than the fact that the AP1 system requires periodic “tugging” on the wheel, I think it’s superior to current BlueCruise. I drove from Virginia to Chicago, the overwhelming majority of which (>97% of the miles?) were with AP1 engaged.
Tesla’s in cabin camera is easily as good. If you are not paying attention, it catches you almost instantly. Tesla also monitors if you have a hands free device by measuring the consistency of resistance on the steering wheel.
as of the last 3 months id say it's as good now. Even in the dark pitch black at night it catches you noding off or looking away instantly. I'm of the opinion that I'd much rather have the nags as admittedly its getting so good that I'm nearing complacency, I regularly do 150km drives without disengagement and id like to make sure im still watching.. it's too easy to get comfortable now
It actually was because the road was curved/bend. Had same thing happened when i drove a Mustang. As well the other issues you had. They have to fix that issue.
How can anyone possibly compare 130,000 Blue Tooth-capable miles with these disadvantages to over 4 MILLION lined roads that Autopilot handles...better. Thanks to Munro and Thanks for doing this....but the incomparable scale comparison also deserves to be in this video.
Turning off autosteering without a clear audible and visual warning is a no go. This can easily lead to a crash (as you almost did with the lane change).
Please do another test what happens if you don't take over. I mean, it feels pretty unsafe just from what you've shown so far. Turning the indicator on will make the car just wander off the road to the right? Wtf?
It's definitely Level 2, that "+" from Ford is marketing as it doesn't exist. Level 3 would mean you could actually divert your attention away from the road, which Audi has with Traffic Jam Pilot, but iirc it isn't available here in the states.
Probably strictly limited to map regions and which are chosen may not always make sense. I think it was like that in previous versions too. On and off all the time over a highway
It seems to be available in Europe but only UK, I still think auto pilot is better, at least it can drive quite well on the highway even when it curves, I know its not hand free but an arm in the window and the hand on the wheel and it doesn't complain
Tesla had hands free until NTSA told them to change it. I can see a recall coming Fords way and not being clear it's in Blue Cruise will cause accidents, NTSA will also demand changes to that too.
A big difference is that one is referred to as a "driver assist" and doesn't over promise, the other is irresponsibly named "Full Self Driving" and totally over promises. Those comments calling Blue Cruise dangerous and calling it to be banned are thinking blue cruise is something that it is not. The reason there is no resistance on the steering wheel when Blue Cruise is on and changing lane is almost certainly because the indicator is on, so it is expecting the driver to be changing lane. Try changing lanes without the indicator and I would guess the steering wheel would have resistance, that is the correct behaviour. To properly evaluate Blue Cruise it has to be reviewed it as a "driver assist" and not "full self driving".
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FUD motors Booze cruise drives like a Drunken sailor and cannot operate ANYWHERE, any Time of Day or Night, in ANY Weather. * is ONLY hand free on PRE Mapped Highway . NOT 99% of Roads.
Booze cruise EGO does NOT have much CONFIDENCE in anything it does.
it Cannot handle Chuck Cook style UNPROTECTED left turns.
fun FACT , Jim Farley is a COMEDIAN in the AUTO Industry.
As a pilot, the interaction between the assistant systems in the driver is not just horrific. It’s actually scary.
In an aircraft, there is no question whether auto pilot is in control, or if the pilot is in command.
Audio feedback of system state is critical !!
It's the lack of audible warnings that was the worst imo. If someone used it enough they'd get used to it, but it should all be insanely obvious, especially to a nerd like me that cares about all these details.
No doubt, you need a master warning light and sound. In the Model 3 the screen displays a large red steering wheel along with an audible. As a side note, I don't think the little autopilot "On" symbol is effective in the Model 3. In an aircraft you have a clear indication that the autopilot is "On", but in my Model 3 I have to look for the tiny symbol at the top left of the screen to verify if it's On. We need better Driving Mode Annunciations in these cars.
In either case, great video pointing out the differences between Tesla and Ford's Blue Cruise.
This is mostly fixed today, but it’s still very easy for pilots to think the autopilot is engaged, or other features like the auto throttle, when they’re not actually engaged. There are hyper specific scenarios where commercial airplanes won’t tell you those systems are either overridden or disengaged that have caused dozens of accidents. So no, it’s not always true that there’s no question whether the pilot is in command.
While FSD Beta is better, when I was using the official release before signing up for the Beta program I was frightened by how easy it was to unintentionally deactivate self driving while trying to satisfy the nag. It wasn't always obvious and on a curve it was especially dangerous.
@@DirtyTesla Toyota LFA had similar issues
This is an actual dangerous system and O'Dowd should actually try to get this one off the road
Accept his company sells components to Ford...which is why he bashes on Tesla of course.
Absolutely. Pretty mind blowing that there is no chime or visual indicator that BlueCruise disabled. How did they overlook this?
Too bad ODowd provides Ford with software for micro controllers....
Exactly it has no safety features but Teslas FSD has safety features
@@shableep There are actually several chimes and visual indicators on the gauge cluster.
When it goes into hands on mode (still steering itself, hands on wheel required) there is just a visual indicator. When it cancels, it makes a simple "bing!" sound. When it wants you to resume control immediately, the system repeatedly plays "bing bing bing" sounds until you take over control.
The version of BlueCruise he was using did not have the new 1.2 features such as automatic lane changes, in lane repositioning, and predictive speed assist for handling curves. So when he engages the turn signal, BlueCruise turns off momentarily so he can complete the lane change manually. It automatically reengages once the vehicle is in the new lane for a few seconds.
I believe that BlueCruise is actually ahead of Tesla just because it is hands free. Got a Mach-E over a Tesla mostly for this reason alone.
“THE COMPETITION IS COMING!!” the competition:
They transitioned to: "mErCeDeS hAs LeVeL tHrEe!!!!!11"
You should do a series where you compare and rank/score the self-driving of many different manufacturers. it would be very interesting, especially if you can repeat the tests every few months to see how they've changed or improved.
An excellent point. When "Does it want to kill people?" and "Is it perfect?" are commonly the only criteria, a thorough apples-to-apples comparison would be helpful and revealing.
@@MegaWildernessWhat is that?? How about SuperCruise since I can actually buy a car with that?
I agree! This is something I've been searching for and there are only a few videos of people testing Tesla autopilot vs BMW and BlueCruise but would be great to have a complete comparison.
This just shows how far ahead Tesla's FSD is, I'm not sure you can even compared them. Great video as always Chris!
Even just autopilot/enhance bautopilot is much safer!! Holy shit. But the press keep’s criticizing Tesla. Maybe they should buy ads, just to shut them up with money.
Actually anyone driving with this would realize the problem (no chime when autosteering is off) within the first 5 minutes, and it should be a simple software fix. And they cant get that straight. Doesnt look good for Ford's future.
With the amount of money they spend on Advertisement, they can BUILD A FACTORY per year for the amount of money they spend on it......
Perfect timing.... this content is exactly what we need to see.
Very informative. Thanks for the video.
This video makes it easier for me to understand why people are scared of Tesla drivers using AP/FSD. As a Tesla driver, I'm scared of people using this Blue Cruise system because I don't understand it.
Why is NHTSA OK with FORD advertising *"HANDS FREE"* _blue cruise_ ??? If Tesla did that, they'd be shut down!
Yep, same thought... all this drama with Ross, while Ford AP is actually way more scary!
let them do it, so they can't say it to tesla later, because "ford already does it"
I remember early test of it didn't even alert you when the sytem disabled itself if road conditions where not met such as a curve on a highway....
I knew this would happen. You get a guy with no experience with blue cruise and all his followers are Tesla fans and will bash blue cruise. Watch a real blue cruise driver Patrick from Mach e vlog to make a descion. Not a new blue cruise person
@markfitzpatrick6692 why is ford marketing as hands free if apparently you need to be a real blue cruis driver to use it properly?
I had Tesla autopilot, then FSD no beta and then FSD beta all since April. The thing about beta that is so nice is that I don't have to wonder what the car will try to do and what I need to do.
Zac and Jesse from Now you Know drove the Mach E and the thing j keep noticing is it needs to notify you when it disengaged
Just because it goes out of hands-free mode doesn't mean it quit steering, It just goes to hands-on mode. If it quits steering there's a pop-up on the screen and a noise. If it goes from hands-free to hands-on you get 5 or 10 seconds before you get a nag
I’m glad to see you were very honest about how the system performed. I am enthusiastic about fsd like many of us but this system you showed today has a long way to go.
Blue Cruise does. FSD doesn't have too far to go.
Great review!
Great video, as always. My wife has a MY and I have a Lightning so I get to drive both regularly. There are quirks to Bluecruise and a learning curve that is tougher than autopilot.... and I think the comparison is more appropriate with autopilot and not FSD. After the initial learning curve though, BC is nice to have on the highway. There are places autopilot struggles and there are places BC struggles. The difference, as you pointed out, is that when Tesla struggles, YOU KNOW ABOUT IT. BC isn't as in-your-face as it should be when it gives up. There are indicators, but you have to look for them. The one thing I was surprised you didn't notice (or maybe just didn't mention) is that BC ping-pongs a bit in the lane and it also hugs the right side of the lane more than I would like. All that being said, not having the nag is awesome.
Not really autonomous driving-related comment: The Lightning is super comfy and roomy. This is my holdover until my number for the Cybertruck comes up which will likely be 3-4 years.
If you are ever in Vegas and what to give BC again, just say the word. ;-)
I did find it very comfortable and quiet!
Blue cruise allowed to select certain mph over speed limit and NHTSA forced Tesla to change for percentage. 😅
Shouldn't the rules be forced to everyone?
I took delivery of my Model Y LR about 3 weeks ago and it is my first EV. I have put about 2400 miles on the usual summer trips on it and I have the basic Autopilot and I have the V. 4 hardware. I will say that this is easiest car that I have ever owned (I am over 50 years old) so far to live with, but I have a few gripes with the basic AP. If I have the AP engaged and it is doing lane centering then when I do a lane change why do I have to apply force to the steering wheel for it to disengage. In my opinion if I activate the turn signal with the lane centering active then it should disengage lane centering and allow me to do the lane change and once the car is centered then put it back to lane centering mode. I think that it is too slow to respond to traffic that is moving slower in my lane, such as a car or truck the moves into my lane and has the car has to slow down. Also it is to slow to speed up once cars or trucks that are in front of me get out of my way.
I think the Comma 3 with openpilot would be a great addition to the Lightning. I love it in my wife's rav4 hybrid. I even prefer it to Tesla autopilot. Zero phantom braking and I can dodge potholes or debris on the road without disengaging plus it drives more like a human.
Id love to see Chris try it out. @dirtytesla
IT can't be used on all roads though.
@@1flash3571 I can use the comma 3 on any road. Not sure about dirt road though.
You can do alot of speeding. That's great!
I am amazed you had such an open mind in assuming that Blue was going to work well. Hats off to you. Unfortunately, I never shared your optimism.
I've heard good things 🤷♂️
@@DirtyTesla Yea me too. I think I'd do the same thing if I got to try it out.
So Blue Cruise uses the Mobile Eye system which is promising level 4 within 3 years? Isn't it time we had a deep dive into the feasibility of that? How big is their fleet? What do we know about their system, sensors, data, AI Team etc.? I'm waiting for a Tesla TH-camr to take this on, it's really important for an investment thesis given that so much seems to ride on autonomy - where's dr know it all? Anybody?
Mobileye has several hour long deep dives on all of that on their TH-cam channel. They actually have a huge “fleet” and will likely be the main competitor to Tesla in this space. They have multiple products, with “Supervision” being their camera based tech while they also have robotaxi cars with extra sensors like LiDAR and high res radar. Intel bought them out and they’ve been doing driver assist for like 20+ years.
I'm a Tesla investor but I feel Tesla Uber Bulls are too cocky about FSD and Overlook many of the competitors... starting first with waymo they're actually launching in Los Angeles level 4 robo-taxi Service it's extremely safe and awesome the car drives fast and decisive.... at this point hasn't Google HD map the whole world at least the United States they are using AI llm Mobility
Glad I have autopilot, I use it on surface streets 90% of the time, and blue cruise doesn't work on any non-highway roads. Living out in the country there are a lot of long stretches of road without lights to worry about that autopilot is perfect for.
@@daddyelon5424 so you control steering and lanes and BC controls speed?
I think, this is outdated info. There is Blue Cruise 2 that was showcased by Munro with a new Mach E a couple of days ago.
With autopilot only on, when you signal, there is no resistance on your manual lane change as well. Just wanted to point that out. You get bumped to normal adaptive cruise as soon as you initiate the lane change and have to turn autopilot back on afterwards.
I mean there is still a tiny resistance, but you are right, it's drastically reduced with a turn signal.
There’s also a quick chime right after you turn on the turn signal and just before your turn the wheel for the lane change letting you know that the system is ready for you to complete the lane change.
I mean, I'll start out with 🤮in regards to their software interface, aka GUI. The 3D aspects of some of the controls and buttons needs to go, there is zero need to have shadows around them as it just creates unnecessary distance between interface items. That might help overall GUI response but, I think that is more to do with the actual hardware they are using.
I'll add a question Chris. How do you like that physical button 🤮? I definitely don't miss all of that crap in my Model Y. 😏
Wearing a Cybertruck shirt while testing a F150 Lightning is a nice touch. 😁
A couple of things. One, the version of BlueCruise that you were testing doesn't do assisted lane changes. The new version (1.2) should be rolling out soon. We did a video testing it on a 2023 Mach-E and it also has a couple of other new features. Two, the no audible warning is because it is still steering for you. If you don't respond to the visual prompt to put your hands on for those sections, then it will sound a repeated warning.
P.S. Happy birthday! (Your Twitter profile said it was your birthday.)
Must have been some confusion, I was told the Lightning had the lane change ability. It was also shown in Ford's BC TH-cam video (on a gas F-150). I did see the Mach-E was changing lanes with with BC as well. Maybe I'll have to give it another go.
@@DirtyTesla It is pretty annoying that it can be hard to tell what version of BlueCruise (or other software) is on the Mach-E or Lightning. But as far as I know, the only Ford vehicles with BlueCruise 1.2 are the 2023 Mach-Es. It is supposed to be an OTA for the Lightning and other Mach-Es later this year. If you do try it again, one way to tell if it has lane change assist is looking at the truck icon in the display. If it can do a lane change, it will have a left and right arrow icon surrounding the truck. On the Mach-E, it looks like a < and > sign. If you have the time, you should see if Ford can loan you a 23 Mach-E with BlueCruise 1.2.
Finally! A comment from a person who KNOWS what they’re talking about. I love BC on my 23’ Lariat ER, and it took a day or two to get used to but it’s great! Definitely no FSD but a giant step in the right direction. I’m looking forward to lane changes. I demo’d a Mach E that had BC with lane changes and it was pretty nice.
Can you test GM Super Cruise as well?
Sure it someone gives me their car! I hear it's very good.
@@DirtyTesla A few more questions about BlueCruise; Can you use the adaptive cruise control (not BlueCruise) outside of highways? If the BlueCruise system disengages and tells you to take control, if you don't take over, will it just come to a stop like Tesla Autopilot would? What if you press the accelerator?
@@mychanel2726it just stops steering lmao
You can use ACC outside of highways. If you don't listen to the warnings, it will eventually pulse the brakes to get your attention and then I believe it either slows to a stop or 5mph without hazard lights :S
@@DirtyTesla Also, with the lane centering + ACC (without Hands-Free Blue Cruise) does it steer around curves or does it just help you be more centered in your lane?
Maybe if you pick two individuals who are legally allowed to drive but has no idea about Blue Cruise and FSD to test it out and switch between the system it would be a fair assessment. Both can be guided by an expert of the system as precaution. I recommend people who can drive but don't want to drive at all as main candidates.
I think I see why you were having such trouble with the system You were clicking the blue cruise button twice, You only click it once to activate it. You were turning it on and back off by clicking it twice. You click it once to turn on Blue Cruise and that activates Lane centering You don't have to click it twice to activate hands-free It activates hands-free automatically when it's available.
Are self-driving vehicles the only ones requiring that you watch the road?
Great video Chris. I though tit was fairly balanced review.
I drove my new MS with FSD to my son's place in Verona (500 miles) few days ago. FSD on highway was superb. Lane changes were automatic and smooth. Any idea as to why the car would move to the speeding lane most of the time?
Because it likes to pass traffic lol. It won't usually exit passing lane unless you have someone behind you. Also if using Nav on AP (and not beta) it has a setting for exiting passing lane
@@DirtyTesla Nav on Autopilot is Enhanced Autopilot, right? Not FSD?
I miss the menu option that could be enabled to require user confirmation before car makes lane change . The car is so often in the wrong or inappropriate lanes on surface streets around.
Examples:
* Getting into and out of far right lanes which are for parking only till 3PM at which time they are not allowed for parling but only as extra drive lanes during drive time hours.
* Getting into bus lanes, not to complete a turn, but thinking it's a normal drive lane
* Getting into turn only lanes thinking they are straight lanes.
* Getting into inappropriate roundabout lanes that don't align with directions or visualation.
18:50 it seems like the highway has too sharp a turn for bluecruise lol
Thanks for taking the time to review the ford👍🏻
FSD Beta 11.4.4 does NOT drift to the center of a lane anymore when the lane widens such as when a freeway onramp happens. It hugs the left lane in that situation.
I noticed yesterday that it now hugs the correct side of the lane. Nice improvement. 👍
Chris, Do you think a system like this would make long trips less fatiguing?
If it does not turn off on a slight road turn.
Which is the issue, the fact it can just turn off without clearly conveying it did. Even with a need to have a hand on the wheel, Tesla's AP has been a massive help in reducing fatigue on long trips and I was able to keep the system running for basically the entire way with zero incidents what so ever, even once avoiding me an accident from a truck that had cut in my lane with no turn signal from a blind spot.
Blue cruise could be a great strain reducer but the need to constantly monitor the system for surprise disengagements makes it not worth it IMO. Hopefully they realize this bad design decision and come back to it because its honestly criminal no regulation agency has come on their ass for this already, when they have been doing so for AP (and as they should, any ADAS should be made robust and safe)
We need to talk about these sunglasses
what version of bluecruise did you use? Was it 1.2 like in the mach e.
I would love, love, love! For you to try as many of these systems as possible! Because I have honestly zero clue what's up and down.
I'd love to :)
@@DirtyTesla Even if you don't get to try them all, do you have any feel for what is good?
Some of them are gated in a pay-per-use robotaxi. Like Waymo. Not sure if it's worth it to spend $40 for each test.
Great comparison! As a Tesla-fan it is nice to see how the competitors are performing. Keep up the good work.
Could you add cost please? And link to where Blue Cruise will work.
Map is near the beginning and cost is in the table when we get on the highway
I just bought a Tesla and it took me a couple of long drives to get familiar with tthe autopilot to the point where im happy to use it. Most of the issues with blue cruise should be easy to fix with otas. Autopilot has been around a long time and has had plenty of customer feedback. Blue cruise hasn't had that yer. Mr Odowd wants all driver assistance systems to be perfect out of the box,and thats just not practical. All systems will need to iterate to a degree.
13:08 Wow, it can’t do interchanges on highway
There is a loading circle for the whole driver assistance menu and after that you can still see it loading the individual lines of the sub menu.
I don't get it.
No audible indicator with BlueCruise is where SuperCruise shines with it's clear visible indicators in the top of the steering wheel within your eyesite. And I do believe SuperCruise also has audile as wheel but can't confirm latest version has it.
Loved this. More please
It seems like it should make a more audible alert when it disengages.
When you said there was no resistance on the steering wheel i was thinking what if your reaching in your pocket or grabbing something off to the side and bump the steering wheel would you think it would disable "blue cruise"
Nice to have your comments from back home afterwards. Try with light in front of your face at home, instead of only from the ceiling. Sound is great and clean from home, compared to driving noises. Maybe this noises can be cancelled out.
Very Nice Bro! Get Good People!
That is a bad sunglasses! I had to go out of my way to comment on yt. That's rare!😂
Looking forward to seeing these videos on Twitter
And how do the costs of Bluecruise and FSD compare?
13:04 even AP1 can do this😅
Blue cruise 1.2 will auto lane change. But it’s not available yet.
Are all the other cars shown in the menu settings model 3s?
Isn’t this just a lane assist + adaptive cruise control type of system that they got the approval for the be hands-free in simple situations?
@Dirty Tesla: Does FSD Beta hug to the left side of the lane? I testdrove a Tesla Model Y (new Berlin without radar). The salesperson did not recognize this when I told him....😢
Sounds like calibration error, my Y from Berlin stay dead center
It can if it thinks cars (especially large trucks) to the right are close
@@DirtyTesla thanks for your response, but in the Netherlands we drive on the right side of the road.
😂 He looks uncomfortable driving then as soon as Auto driving takes over you can see him visibly relax. So much Tesla FSD has changed him to be used to being drove vs driving. He might be one of the first humans to reach this point, soon most people hate driving.
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It would appear that very few designers of Blue Cruise actually put it to the test. This is the opposite of stress free driving. Who is in control??? You guess all the time.
That's their secret trick to keep you alert. Stress at all times. 😂
Maybe I missed it in the video, but when BC says to put your hands on the wheel… is it haptic Or torque like Tesla?
I think Tesla only has forward brake assist. Does it have reverse braking?
that is scary. to trust the system i really need a chime of some sort for when the system needs my assistance or wants my attention. Have to say thats really good in Tesla. Before my Model3 i had a Mercedes CLS with distronic + and steering assist. It was able to keep the lane with very light curves. The biggest complaint i had was that the system was not giving any chime when its not in autosteer anymore. There was just a little green steeringwheel symbol in the dash which turned from green to gray :( Besides that there were countless complaints with this car and the many before it from that Brand. Glad i drive Tesla now.
The UI seems kind of slow to respond. They really need to optimize that part, important for the user experience.
And still we see massive advantage of tesla because it works on any road that has markings and only free flow interchanges.
I owned a Tesla and I also played with Nissan and Toyota's lane keeping. They just don't make any chime when the lane keeping is active - just like the blue cruise, it will give up at random time, and magically snap you back at the lane using minimal force.
I can feel a tiny tweeny force on the steering wheel when it's on (definitely not as snap as Tesla).
It's so confusing who is controlling the car - the car or me. I guess they do it deliberately to encourage driver to keep hands on wheel and actively driving.
But if Ford is advertising hands free yet doesn't give chime while leaving autopilot mode, that's very alarming
I will take FSD every time. I am used to resting my elbow on the console and resting my hand on the wheel and keep the torque on the wheel.
that truck would be great on trips from around cola sc up to rockingham or charlotte nc!
The hyundia ioniq 5 has a similar system (not handsfree) for lane keeping that will disengage occasionally without any chimes or warning. Maybe be the same underlying system.
I want to know what kind of sunglasses your wearing...???
Oakley tpain edition lol
@@DirtyTeslapain has a Oakley deal TIL
They are super old
You 100k guys get all the perks 😉
Those sunglasses.
You can easily see that blue cruise is 100% hands free 😂.
Except when it's not 🤣
Hello Dirty Tesla! Big Fan. Is there any way you could get your hands on a 2015-ish Tesla Model S with the HW1 Mobileye and compare that Autopilot with the current systems? I know HW1 relied heavily on radar and one forward facing camera, and wanted to see how much better (or worse) it performs in stop and go traffic, etc.
I have this one :) th-cam.com/video/9W9vJnL_6cc/w-d-xo.html
@@DirtyTesla oh, perfect!! I’ll give it a watch! Thank you !!
I’ve got at least 50,000 highway AP1 miles on my 2014 Model S (now at 180,000 miles total). Trying to be unbiased here-but other than the fact that the AP1 system requires periodic “tugging” on the wheel, I think it’s superior to current BlueCruise. I drove from Virginia to Chicago, the overwhelming majority of which (>97% of the miles?) were with AP1 engaged.
That was terrifying! It’s a very distracting system. It’s on it’s off. You have to be super vigilant and aware with that glitchy system.
Tesla’s in cabin camera is easily as good. If you are not paying attention, it catches you almost instantly. Tesla also monitors if you have a hands free device by measuring the consistency of resistance on the steering wheel.
finally someone noticed! There really is no need for dedicated hardware. Once again, vision wins.
as of the last 3 months id say it's as good now. Even in the dark pitch black at night it catches you noding off or looking away instantly. I'm of the opinion that I'd much rather have the nags as admittedly its getting so good that I'm nearing complacency, I regularly do 150km drives without disengagement and id like to make sure im still watching.. it's too easy to get comfortable now
@@DarkNemesis25Well it should have been good enough for us to not have to pay attention 7 yrs ago according to Elon. ☹️ Still not there.
It actually was because the road was curved/bend. Had same thing happened when i drove a Mustang. As well the other issues you had. They have to fix that issue.
What's good to be hands free if we still need to look straight? We still need to pay attention to the road.
It's more comfortable
Does BlueCruise operate at 15mph? If not, that may be why did not work in slow traffic
How can anyone possibly compare 130,000 Blue Tooth-capable miles with these disadvantages to over 4 MILLION lined roads that Autopilot handles...better. Thanks to Munro and Thanks for doing this....but the incomparable scale comparison also deserves to be in this video.
maybe didn't have the update to allow lane change
Turning off autosteering without a clear audible and visual warning is a no go. This can easily lead to a crash (as you almost did with the lane change).
who knows if Ford could even add a chime. the modules that need to be interconnected to allow an update like that may not be interconnected.
Lol that ad read
Seems like it doesn't like it when some of the lanes on the highway have a different color ( asphalt next to concrete)
Please do another test what happens if you don't take over. I mean, it feels pretty unsafe just from what you've shown so far.
Turning the indicator on will make the car just wander off the road to the right? Wtf?
How does it watch your eyes with these sunglasses?
It's definitely Level 2, that "+" from Ford is marketing as it doesn't exist. Level 3 would mean you could actually divert your attention away from the road, which Audi has with Traffic Jam Pilot, but iirc it isn't available here in the states.
Looks like you might crash looking at the display trying to figure out if you can turn it on or not
Those sunglasses got to go :)
Openpilot is also nag-free, and is not geofenced. Open source, too. Will be great when Tesla can really get rid of the nagging.
As with most other EV related developments, Ford is making progress but still years behind Tesla
Probably strictly limited to map regions and which are chosen may not always make sense. I think it was like that in previous versions too. On and off all the time over a highway
It seems to be available in Europe but only UK, I still think auto pilot is better, at least it can drive quite well on the highway even when it curves, I know its not hand free but an arm in the window and the hand on the wheel and it doesn't complain
Tesla had hands free until NTSA told them to change it. I can see a recall coming Fords way and not being clear it's in Blue Cruise will cause accidents, NTSA will also demand changes to that too.
A big difference is that one is referred to as a "driver assist" and doesn't over promise, the other is irresponsibly named "Full Self Driving" and totally over promises. Those comments calling Blue Cruise dangerous and calling it to be banned are thinking blue cruise is something that it is not.
The reason there is no resistance on the steering wheel when Blue Cruise is on and changing lane is almost certainly because the indicator is on, so it is expecting the driver to be changing lane. Try changing lanes without the indicator and I would guess the steering wheel would have resistance, that is the correct behaviour.
To properly evaluate Blue Cruise it has to be reviewed it as a "driver assist" and not "full self driving".
Maybe if you waited until it wanted to change lane instead of keep messing with the indicators