HOA in Gilbert under fire for how its spending homeowners' money
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 พ.ค. 2024
- An HOA in Gilbert is spending a lot of money on legal fees, and lawyers and residents aren't happy about it.
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HOAs are a joke
Truly
All of those homeowners featured in the segment should seriously consider running for a seat on the HOA board. That is what you do when you’re not happy with your HOA is you don’t throw your hands up and say the HOA’s are bad. This is a people problem if you don’t have the right people who know how to run things then you get them out of there and replace them with people who do. And that’s what elections are for. That’s the opportunity to do this. These people can very easily go walk to their neighbors and introduce themselves and announce their candidacy and give their reasons and concerns that are not being meant and why those homeowners are to vote for them. They’ll most likely get elected that way.
Saying the HOA’s are bad because you have a people problem is the same as saying that government is evil because you have a people problem. You deal with people problems by getting better people not throwing the system out.
You hate black people
Which is why I refuse to live in one
Amen
HOA's need less power, and more accountability.
Free market 😊
@@ajax7ox729 No it's not the free market as they hide behind the law. In a free market we'd have checks and balances that apply justice.
Members also need to attend board meetings, read the minutes, and attend annual budget meetings.
Need to be outlawed. No entity should have more power than the government, with none of the safeguards of checks and balances.
Everything that HOAs purport to regulate is already governed by city code.
Everything that HOAs are supposedly needed to fund are already fundable with a Public Improvement District.
Zero reason for HOAs to continue to exist.
@@jamesalderman5387 I don't think you've thought that through. No community management means no community assets like pools, playgrounds or common areas. How exactly will condo communities operate?
The lawyers are loving this nonsense.
The HOA lawyer knows his claims are BS, but if he can get the HOA Board to believe it, then it’s a lot of billable hours
We're going through this now. The previous HOA association president used our bank account as her own personal entertainment fund. She opened a debit card and racked up thousands on food and other non related expenses. The management company was and is also helping cover the theft. The HOA lawyer made thousands by handling all member letters such as violation letters that were once the responsibility of the management company. The lawyer sent out hundreds at $350 each. Your grass is too long...$350. We took back the board, fired the management company and replaced the lawyer. Getting assistance from the government (Florida, DBPR) is fruitless as they refuse to assist with anything even though its their job to oversee HOA's and management companies. We're also near bankruptcy so paying for help isn't an option. They all need to be in jail.
@@bubbajones4522 more of the same stuff like the big fani mattress problem.
It's not in the Power Ranch HOA CC&Rs? The HOA is going to lose and all that money will be wasted paying attorneys. Poor homeowners! They need to get rid of their HOA board members ASAP
I think someone should look into if there’s a relationship between the HOA board and the law firm. They don’t have a case yet they keep working over money. Something smells maggoty.
The lawyer representing the HOA is a friend of the program & milking the residents…..
Evidence?
You don't like the rules. You can move change my mind
@@ajax7ox729 found the HOA board member
It’s true. Others are saying the same thing on social media. I bet there is some financial benefit to the HOA President that incentivizes him to select this particular HOA Atty.
Our HOA lawyer made a deal with the management company to off load all violation letters to the lawyer at $350 each. The management company in the past charged us a flat fee which equated to about $15 each letter. This went on for a few years before all reserves were depleted and the residents found out. We're now facing bankruptcy and will need thousands in assessments to pull out.
Disband HOAs!
Band of thieves.
Move.
@@domfer2540you’re probably one of those HOA losers that does stuff for them for free
The homeowners can bring suit aginst the HOA for not doing their job to keep the common grounds in acceptable conditions.
They should also look into whatever relationships the HOA board has with that law firm.
THe HOA will use their own money to counter sue them, HOA are corrupt evil entities.
not really AZ law shields them and they would just use HOA funds to defend themselves.
Yup
I don’t know AZ law, but board members can’t be “shielded” from malfeasance or conflicts of interest.
If they cannot maintain things at the same level that they expect owners to maintain, then every fine they issue is hypocritical. Most HOA's need to be disbanded, and audited, with criminal charges for any misdeed
It's called free enterprise
The winner of the 2 will be determined by whoever can provide the most “donations” to the elected officials that have the most power in that area.
At my last HOA, when I questioned how they were spending our money, the HOA board threatened to have me shunned my the community.
So. Expelled? Goofy comment at best.
HOA are required to put that information to the public.
Did you show up drunk? If you do something like that at the HOA meeting and make a fool of yourself and refuse to wait in your turn then the they can ask you to leave. It’s not a free-for-all. There is a specific way in which you can air your grievances otherwise if you do it properly, they have no right to do what you allege.
So many HOA shills in the replies lmao
They probably were right to do so because their is an annoyance in your text
If I were a landlord or HOA president, there would be an itemized list of true expenses going out. Also, the tenants would get a copy of it each month after they pay their monthly dues. This would include seasonal tasks, such as dates when people shoveled snow, plowed snow, and cut the grass during the spring and summer.
*Conclusion: It’s easier to spend money when it’s not yours.* Lawyers on both sides don’t mind this case dragging out longer and are probably the best of friends behind the scenes by now. 😂
they know how to keep their G's under the mattress.
Always corruption when it’s “other people’s money “
Asian lady is really pretty. I would be happy to be her handy man
They broke rule #1 : Never live somewhere with an HOA
I hate HOA.
It sounds like the HOA filed the lawsuit for their company, not as a matter of representing the home owners.
Hence using HOA money instead of the company money to pay for a losing lawsuit.
HOA Should be outlawed
Lol lawyers be like keep suing each other $$$
Lawsuits should be paid by the hoa developer and not by the homeowners. Sounds highly illegal to me, funneling money for the owners business.
I don’t understand how the HOA would be “negatively impacted financially”. Do they think they’ll lose residents/income if the condominiums across the street have renters instead of owners?
Yes my guess is because they were anticipating getting their *future* HOA dues. Which they wouldn’t get if they were renters. The whole thing is just ironic as hell. And stupid. Very stupid.
90% of HOA residents hate their HOA. they do nothing. and what are they worried that they are using, the parks? I'll go to other parks in other neighborhoods and kids don't stay in their neighborhood to play. have you noticed that the places that try harder to keep "others" out get the most trashed. the more relaxed HOAs get less property damage.
@@living2day617 was your HOA not a gated community?
If they’re legally condos, then the condo developer is on the hook for the HOA fees. If the condo developer refused to pay the HOA fees, then that really would be a lawsuit.
@@jsch9173 Yeah this is what I was thinking. They're still condos but since they're being rented out, the developer would just be the one on the hook for HOA fees instead of the renters. Is there something written down that says the developer is exempted from paying HOA fees or something?
Which ambulance chaser is sleeping with the HOA board.
Had a friend move to Scottsdale Arizona from a small New England town.
Came home the first Saturday to a yellow tag on the front door that said, “mow lawn”
Came home Sunday to a red tag on the front door that said, “mow lawn penalty pending”
Came home Monday to his new Remax sign that said “for sale”
😅
And this is just another reason why you Never buy a house in an HOA!
Imagine being forced to spend your money in a fight to ban families from having a home. That HOA is irresponsible.
Ever heard the term NIMBY. Normally the public zoning board does the blockage.
Bwaaaahhaaa, I was in Maryvale man! Dad had a 100 foot antenna and we had extra cars all over. HOA? No way!
lol that developer got over on the hoa
Good!! More awareness needs to be brought to this. Thank you AZ family for doing this coverage! We just sold our home in tramonto (north phoenix) and we needed permission for everything in our backyard. Basketball court? Shade for my kids? Yes I was facing a road but still that's ridiculous! I'm glad I'm out
Thank goodness I’m renting in Power Ranch!! Leaving this fall for sure!
First of all why they are using this people money to build to me is a big violation.
The HOA is correct. These were intended as condos but are now apartments.
Apartment: residential building made up of individual units that are owned by and managed on behalf of one owner.
Condominium: Residential building of individual units owned by distinctly separate owners. There may be a management company for the building overall and the common use areas, but a renter of a unit reports to the owner of the unit, not to the management company.
Why does a rental vs owner have anything to do with the HOA fees. Wouldn't the owner of the rental property still have to pay the HOA fee and pass that on to the renter?
My thoughts exactly. Whoever the true owner is, whether it's the condo owner or the landlord renting it out, wouldn't one of those people have to pay the HOA fee and thus pass it on to whoever the actual tenant is?
I have never heard anything good about a HOA, ever!
I would not live in a HOA.
Members of the Power Ranch HOA board are likely getting kickbacks from the legal firm for throwing them a 6-digit bone.
What's the point of a Home Owner's association if the Home Owners aren't kept in the loop, BEFORE the association enters into litigation
ALSO who on the HOA decided it would be a good idea to sell to a corporate INVESTOR?!! -also WITHOUT including the homeowners' in on the decision??!!
Never buy in an HOA. It only holds you hostage for what ever they want to spring on you next.
Never buy a home with a HOA its a living nightmare
As a former President of my coop board in NYC, boards are required to keep minutes of their meetings, which are available for inspection. They are also required to have an annual shareholders meeting and elections. The homeowners need to get busy going through the HOA rules and hiring their own attorney if the board doesn’t respond. They also need to put together a slate of candidates and vote the current board out.
Gilbert is sure showing out to be RATCHET!
You mean 'racket', right? That's what I remember as being similar to a scam or scheme
You mean 'racket', right? That's what I remember as being similar to a scam or scheme
Outlaw all HOA !!
It’s a money grab
HOA's need to be outlawed nationwide.
Vote them out, run for the HOA yourselves. Then vote to disband the HOA.
Happened in our HOA. New builds had county approval and our HOA leadership sued the ppl for 3 years and LOST. We also found shady hiring of managers and sub contractors
The homeowners of Power Ranch can force a Special Meeting and remove all of the current Board members in one action. Then they will have to vote for a new Board. That new Board can immediately negotiate with the developer and reach a rapid settlement. So what about the huge legal fees that the current Board have authorized? They are all bonded and insured in case they make stupid decisions, like this one.
The HOA system is one of the most evil things that has ever happened, in the United States of America.
HOA’S suck they treat has if we’re children! I need to ask permission for everything!!
If someone buys land, & builds home on it, they can do whatever tf they want with them.
Ridiculous. Its snobs looking down on renters
The fact he says that the litigation money could have been used to make the condos more luxurious is complete BS.
So an HOA is suing a developer over a community outside their jurisdiction? Did I understand that right? And they were not responsible and did not ask the homeowners if they wanted this suit brought?
My HOA in Las Vegas has a yearly line by line item list as to where the money goes. I think that we have a good board and management company. No real complaints myself.
That’s how it’s supposed to work. HOAs are required by law to publish financial statements and distribute them to homeowners. By living in the community you’re responsible for keeping them accountable. If they’re not doing a good job, vote them out. If you don’t like HOAs don’t live in a community with one. Not sure I get all the weird frothy comments in videos like these.
I would never buy a home in a HOA. Build your own fence put up your own cameras. simply put.
It's a "planned community". They always have a HOA. People don't seem to realise the staggering overreach of these fascist mini states.
Ban HOAs
Well, whoever on the HOA board approved this gross mismanagement of funds needs to be removed AND their contribution to the fund needs to be increased significantly.
My parents lost a lot of money on their home because of the hoa. The HOA in their community was suing so many people over fences and grass length and the color of their curtains etcetera. Lawyers and lawsuits there was never money to keep up the lawns and the pool and the community building and it started looking like a slum area. Then the HOA raised their rates to cover all the lawsuits and eventually my parents moved out and lost money on a house in Florida???
I am confused on why renters pay less in HOA fees. I am not sure about there, but here, the owners pay the HOA fees. This can be reflected in rent, but not directly paid by the renter. As the owner, the developer should be responsible for the HOA fees for each condo int he HOA. What am I missing?
Someone on the council owns the law firm probably
They show pictures of 7 of the most despicable, corrupt in their area.
Not mentioned - what is the LOSS of $125K per year to the HOA (homeowners)? Is the HOA (homeowners) responsible for the maintenance / landscaping of these new condos? When the new condos are rented will the renters be eligible to use the HOA's amenities? Amenities include pool, parks, playgrounds, tennis courts etc., etc.. If the HOA is LOSING $125K per year to the new condos that cost will be passed onto the homeowners in increased HOA dues. Why does this news segment not include the reason behind the $125K LOSS?
Why are the HOA fees for the rented condos different from the other HOA fees in the project?
they gonna spend more then 10 times fighting it and still lose the money. What a joke. Spending millions to gain an extra 100k a year.
Ridiculous !!!!!!!!!
How the money is spent is information available to all HOA members, or at least it should be. That's why it is called an "association" and why there are "members". Were the homeowners who are complaining "we should know" blocked from getting the info? The info was hidden from them? Or are they just complaining because they didn't wipe the Dorito dust off their fingers, get up out of the recliner, and go get it and got surprised?
Arizona Is Need To Help The Home Owners , Renting Or Owned
Were the residents not attending board meetings and reading the minutes?
Exactly how would having rental units near an HOA property affect the value of units in the HOA? It doesn’t and can’t. This is a giveaway for the attorneys. A scam. Especially since the HOA property is not being well-maintained.
HOAs should be 100% transparent and open. All spending and accounts. Many many have scammed all the money, and bills are coming due... Homeowners will pay for everything...
Someone on the HOA board has some lawyer friends and is getting some kind of kickback for using their services over nad over. Id investigate the lawyers too.
HOA and CCD money belongs to the developer. What they spend all or a portion of the money is up to you. It may be different according to the state. This is the reason why a developer builds home, make money.
Collects residuals from service fees from HOA.
They act just like politicians
I tell you all HOA does harass people they need to be kicked out of all communities period I remember I missed couple a payment’s and I couldn’t use the stupid pool cause of it it’s ridiculous
Our board embezzle the money hasn't done anything
I don't understand why you would invest in a house that comes with another layer of government
I don’t understand what the lawsuit is claiming. This HOA seems to be burning through money for no reason.
Who are the lawyers of the hoa connected to? Why would the hoa be fighting the developer? It seems like a way to launder. Or someone is benefitting.. backgrounds of the board? Relatives connected? Doesn't pass the smell test.. 🧐
Worried about your HOA? Are they not performing their duties required of them in the HOA contract? Vote to join your HOA into HOAA, The Home Owners Association Association, if they're not holding up their duties, we'll fine them and lein out their properties and repossess their Association!
Same had happened to us, Lorraine hernandez did same thing in Chicago to us
The Summerlin HOA here in Las Vegas brings in MILLIONS every year and I find that crazy.
How the Ordinary , hard working Americans get the shaft from so many sources that claim to be there to " protect" them .
Greedy HOA - it's going to build condos for rich people then realized it could make more money renting. They want to make all of us renters.
Usually 15 to 20 years later you can really start to see the fall of HOA’s. HOAs are businesses.
All these people always complain but are never at the meetings
Hoa buyers should have known better than to deal and purchase any property with these criminals.
If they are condos that can be rented out then there is technically zero difference between the two. This makes no sense.
Condos are owned by individual and distinct owners. Apartments are owned by one owner. There is a difference, but I can see why it would be thought of as very little difference to this builder. The builder is wrong to continue to call these condos.
the state needs to have max & min standards set so this can not happen.
How many HOAs are owned and operated by foreign companies or developers? They're buying up all the apartment buildings and properties.
These folks can run for the board.
Everybody is missing the point. The HOA states that renters dont pay as much HOA fees as Owners. This is a problem for the HOA of course. The question that the reporters completely failed to research is why the Developer isn’t the Owner as far as any HOA fees for each rental unit. Go ahead and rent away, but the HOA must get equal payment for these units. There must be some language somewhere protecting the Developer from the HOA fees if they rent. That may be what the lawsuit is about.
I blame the Judge for milking the tax payers for all he can. He can pick up the phone and ask the county tax office, if they classify a rented condo as a condo or apartment. We have to start paying judges for what they accomplish, not for how long they can drag a dispute out.
So they are going to spend $240,000 to save $125K. How’s that safe space looking now? 😂😂😂
Whats wrong? The HOA is having a hissy.
Is there an HOA that is not evil?
I despise HOAs, but what the developer described sure sounded like apartments.
Only way to live in HOA community is to be a board member! Those on the board…the rules DONT apply to them🤫
Lawyers taking advantage. All they have to do is change the declaration to not allow rentals. If they can't get the votes to do that because the developer now has a say, the lawyers who completed the sale screwed up.
simple the builder should give the OPTION to BUY or RENT
I have absolutely no sympathy for anyone that lives in an HOA
The HOA is wasting the homeowners' money on this frivolous lawsuit that the HOA is going to lose.
A good HOA, which this clearly is not, would communicate with the homeowners on a regular basis about the lawsuit and why the board is pursuing it.