Jay once again the top quality review anywhere on the planet. I believe that your data driven analysis as baseline for review could be easily adopted by manufacturers to actually fine tune their future designs. Well done.
@ sometimes it 20 years fore the world to see the light!!! I was an engineering student intern when I thought about using MIM technology to manufacture golf clubs heads. 20 years later Cobra showed up to market with that technology. ☺️
I absolutely love Mizuno, I love there take on clubs, I love the way they approach marketing there clubs, I love how low key they are about there launches, I love how they feel, look, shelf appeal, love to see reviews like yours because I can tell how much you enjoy the brand, keep up the great work, love my 243s but these look fantastic
I agree that thing would look better in chrome, that's why I just got some used MP-37s as a second set to my 243s. I think it's fair to say Mizuno has swayed me.
It's healing, torn meniscus can take months to heal and that's as long as it doesn't get hurt again by pushing too hard too soon. It's just sods law for it to happen at this time of year 😐👍👍
Thanks Jay. Great in depth review as always. I love how Mizuno continue to make irons like this when most other manufacturers don’t update their MB/CB for years. They’re not going to fly off the shelves but ……
That graphic seems to explain how how i have been fit into a blade a number of times even as a 7 hcp. I have a decent swing swing speed (92-94mph 7 iron), launch the ball very high but with relatively low spin. My miss and general strike pattern is heel side as well. Iv currently got P790's but looking to change as the distances i get are rediculas (7 iron carry 185-190) and i am prone to getting the odd 200 yarder and flying greens far more than coming up short. Recently got fit for the pro 241 which i was amazed at. I absolutely love them but just never thought id actually be fit for them.
Remind me of my MP18sc, I loved them and sometimes wished had never changed to the 223s. Maybe the S3 is my calling!! Great video, thanks Jay, get well soon bud.
My New Year’s resolution is to get Jay to embrace satin finish in all these irons. Reason #1: satin finish prevents sun glare from messing you up #2: satin finish represents a more relaxed take on the game of golf #3: satin finish is more like a nice French Polynesian fusion dish vs chrome and traditional lasagna Just a start…. But there are so many reasons why satin should absolutely be in and chrome should forever be out!!!
Great review Jay. Might be testing your memory here but how do you rate these against previous JPX Tour models... in particular the 919 Tours? My guess is better feel and looks but likely similar in terms of distance and forgiveness. Tempted to go for these 7i-PW, and a couple of 245s in the 5 and 6i bent 2° weak. Leaves a 5° gap between the 6 and 7i but feel like the higher launch of the 245s might mean this isn't too much of an issue. 9HCP, 7i SS ~88mph for reference if you think something like this could work 😊
I wish I had the ball striking to play something like this, I recently picked up a used MP-69 6 iron just to practice with in my backyard simulator. Wow is it much less forgiving than the 245, it makes a great training aid just by practicing to hit the center more consistently. To be honest if I could hit the S3 I much prefer the looks of the 241, which is why I love my 245 so much, looks almost identical to the 241 but much more forgiving.
That is a beautiful iron, well presented and well done with your dodgy knee. Does tomorrow bring something I can refresh my T7 wedges with? I hope so, can't believe they binned the T7. Been in my bag for donkeys ❤
thanks for all the top down views of the club face... guys do all these iron reviews and rarely ever let you look down on the iron like you would at the ball.... drives me crazy searching a vid for a quick look.... thanks.
Its not the best at the moment, had a knee injury that has stopped me from swinging for quite a while and only now getting back to swinging whilst trying to protect the knee 😬
@@AskGolfNut eat real clean and sleep well...really the only way to truly heal once you get to our age.... everything else is just band aids.... your build suggests your diet is pretty good, but as I have found, cheating on a clean diet when healing doesn;t help the healing.....an injury is a great chance to low carbs and just eliminate all simple sugars, even fruit.... watch the heal...... I'm constantly, or yearly it seems, ripping shat up.....what ever, it's life......who wants to swing at a golf ball with vigor? Chop wood like a sissy? Ski scared of the edge? imho, If you are making incorrect anatomical actions in your swing, your body will tell you...some injury will show up, guaranteed..... from my experience here, one of the most important things a person can do as a fundamental in their golf swing as they age (or any age) is this..... make sure their right hip is dropping as your left hip posts through impact..... not getting that right hip dropping correctly is the absolute worst thing for the lower back and sacrum.. and age will show any golfer this golf swing truth...... the right knee cannot move out toward the ball through impact, but must more so collapse toward the left knee.... Scotty Sheff being an extreme example of this action......anyhow......
A bit demanding on my sum setup having GS Pro and Foresight FSX 2020 running together side by side but agree for the visuals it's the most impressive platform 👍
Hope your knee feels better soon. Thanks for the timely video release. The sound was nice for those strikes. I use the 241, but looking of a combo set. These lofts look like a perfect fit, but is it worth that or should I just get the whole set? Also using the heat maps on your bronze site the 241's have a bigger sweet spot than the 245's. Is that correct? Thanks
In a manner of speaking yes, it's due very much like a lot of other players irons, to the fact that the CG of the head is more in line with the strike point allowing a better transfer of energy. Now the hotter clubs get around this by having hollow bodies with thinner faster faces, but their CG location is lower so sometimes suffers in the Forgiveness front. However if you look at the Advanced Data section with all the Launch dynamics differences this is where some clubs differ again. Due to the CG location, Launch Factor, Face, Spin Rates and Distance Potential numbers are different also so Forgiveness is only 1 part of a much larger fitting puzzle 👍
I love the fact that Mizuno has maintained traditional lofts with the S3. Seven iron is at 34 degrees. What’s new is old again. These new club series will have four-year cycles as opposed to the one-year cycles that the big boys have.
It's a brave direction to go with a 4 year life cycle, it absolutely means that having a stable players platform is really good for continuity however the marketing machine needs to work hard to ensure these don't basically get forgotten about in year 3 and 4.....👍
Excellent video, these new Mizuno Pro S-3 irons do like fantastic but since you have previously hit and reviewed the Cobra King CB (which I currently play) how do both these irons compare in size, performance and forgiveness?
I'm curious...if you slap some lead tape out on the toe, will it stretch the green part of the heat map out? I'm not a bad ball striker, but for some reason, I intuitively like to stay away from the hotel, and for some reason feel as if the sweet spot on clubs would be further from the hosel. Any advice? I have a set I think I want to play with, but I thought I would seek your input first.
It wouldn't stretch the green area but it would shift it so it would have the desired effect. Although face closure rate might also be affected by moving weight towards the toe.... Just a thought 👍
@AskGolfNut Thanks! I'm going to give it a go. I think my more solid contact will outweigh the compensation I may need to make for my potential slower closure rate. We'll see.
I'd put it out therer that the MP18 SC actually had more tech in there than these 👍 although raw tech doesn't necessarily make something automatically better 👍
@@AskGolfNut appreciate the comment mate you said you’re looking at the T wedges tomorrow. I actually still have the 18s and still play the S-18s wedges of old so would be intrigued to see if the new T’s work with them!
I have some concerns about getting enough flight out of the 5 & 6 and have similar speeds to your own. Would you combo those at the top of the set or do you feel comfortable up to the 5?
Personally (if my knee would allow) I feel comfortable all the way to the 5 iron. The Pro S3 irons do surprisingly well at launching the golf ball from a blades (basically) perspective and as it spins also very well it allows for good long iron use 👍
Hmm....I currently play off 7 and have been gaming the JPX923 Tour for a year........would you swap for the S3.......is there enough difference, in your opinion, between the two to change? thanks - great review as always and hope the knee gets better..........
Honestly if you love your 923 Tours then I'd stick with them for at least another season. These Pro S3 irons are a 4 year life cycle product so they'll be about next year when you may consider again a change 😁
Very odd…it seems to slot between the 241 and 245 where the 243 is…if you look at the comparison chart on Mizuno’s site, it’s pretty close to the 243s in all the measurements (blade length and offset almost identical), but a noticeably thinner sole…I’m glad they made it because I loved the 221s, but needed more help, but for some reason, I can’t get on with the 223/243…it just feels too big…with this thinner sole, I’m looking forward to comparing it to the JPX Forged…
In reality I see this very very close to the 241s. I think Mizuno is going through a rebranding of its iron ranges starting with the Signature range with the S3. The full on blade will most likely come next..... Guessing S1 and then the other end of the MP line with all the tech in them will sit possibly called something else but I like it how Mizuno are wanting to go back to its roots for an iron design of this type 👍
Not allowed to say, however if we look at previous patterns it would suggest that the earliest we'll see something is late August at the very very earliest... Latest in January 2026 👍
@AskGolfNut Well played sir. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't going to get surprised in a month. I know the refresh to the 241 usually comes in January next year, but wasn't sure if they would push it forward, and bring it out this year to pair with this S3.
Whenever they do I hope they are chrome.... I think I'm hoping there.... But I can see the next set of irons if the potentially named S1 irons come along and are slightly even more sleeker than these lovely specimen 😊😊👍
Yep it has been irritating. I believe I've suffered a torn meniscus so has been pretty difficult to swing and twist on the left knee. I think it's getting better but I'm at the stage where I don't want to risk hurting it as it's possibly nearly there in its recovery 🤞🤞🤞
I don't think so, I believe Mizuno want to full on Players irons in the Signature line and thus leaving the 2 other more tech inspired heads within the Pro line currently to be placed in another named line up... What it will be called unfortunately I'm bound by NDA to not disclose 👍
im not a fan of that JPX-style satin with white paintfill that Mizuno is stuck on. I miss the days of MP60, MP64 chrome. This beaded pearl satin finish rubs to some odd shiny-but not-chrome around the hosel and face when it lives next to other clubs in your bag.
I wouldn't know as mine stay under cover for the entire time and only see daylight just as they are about to be used and then straight away housed into darkness again 🤣🤣👍👍
Agree. Mp64 would also be quite a bit more forgiving. This is a blade disguised with a cavity back. Mizuno has now created 2 competing blades. I don't get it. Give me a forgiving players CB without jacked lofts. I guess there's plenty of older Mizuno CB's to choose from.
What a gorgeous iron. Even if you are a mid to high handicap player with 70 mph swing speed, if you are content with carry from traditional weak lofts, and you like to work at golf, then you can spend many pleasant hours working to improve your contact, your strike, with the help of a can of Dr Scholl’s spray foot powder. You are the type who doesn’t want it to be easy but to be rewarding when you hit it correctly.
I agree anyone wanting to get the most consistency from themselves would do well using these irons and learning the art of consistency of strike. Many Game Improvement Irons with large areas of forgiveness does nothing to train the golfer to keep towards the middle of the face and rely on the club to do the work. 🤞
@ And as a 70 mph swing speed, you’re going to use the PW, 9,8,7 and maybe 6. You accept 127 carry with the 7. All the other gaps fall neatly in place. Then you will use hybrids or high lofted woods to complete your set: for example 11w, 9w, 7w and 5W, plus driver. Plus maybe three wedges and putter.
Really love these and on my wish list for 2025. Hope 2025 will also bring a real contender in the driver market for Mizuno to seriously rival the QI35 line. Thanks Jay as always.
Unfortunately in a review there is no actual way to compare the effects of the bounce differences between the sets. The camera may pick up the sole thickness differences but in no way what the angle differences are between them. The difference between the two are so small in this particular area that no reviewer could objectively measure how one does over the other 👍
Handicap is and always has been a terrible way to select equipment to test or buy and I put this purely on the shoulders of the manufacturers being responsible for pedalling this common misconception. Handicap is a measure of score only and in no way an indicator of what golfer should use what equipment. Base your equipment choices on the needs of your personal swing. Do you need forgiveness more than say optimising Launch Factor, Face Speed or Face Spin Rates...there are always generalisations to make that higher handicap golfers need more forgiving irons but through the years of coaching and Custom Fitting I have lost count of the amount of golfers that not only buck the trend but are in total opposition to it 👍👍👍
I'm using a relatively low spinning ball so if anyone was to use say a Pro Vx the spin would move to around 6500 say... Again it's all to do with dynamic loft delivery also, I'm delivering 6 iron static lofts dynamically so anyone that delivers with more or less will see a deviation in spin from my averages, and that's before we talk about attack angles and face to path differences 😊👍
How could best can get any better. I have 2 sets of 221s. I play the chrome/satin set regularly and have the limited blues under my bed. Let’s see what the S1s are gonna look like but, I am in agreement with you that I prefer the chrome or chrome/satin finish versus the white satin. 😊 I am willing to be curious as to what the T1s have over my T-24s. Thanks for the intro!
T1 and T3 Wedges coming tomorrow. It's a much more of a video explaining the differences between all the wedges and what golfers would suit which Grind and Bounce 👍
@ Gotcha! Thank you! I work at a Mizuno Authorized Dealer as a fitter and builder so they should be in by the release date. I won’t hit any other wedges but the Ts.
In the UK the fitting accounts have had their update kits to the DNA carts which includes 8 or so different wedge heads for golfers to finally be able to test the wedges alongside the irons within the fitting 👍
Just remember handicap is a measure of score rather than equipment needs... Depending on what you need from an iron these are well worth a test but agree Forgiveness wise the HMP is really really hard to argue against 👍
In Mizunos own words they are trying to go back to their Timeless roots of club design for the Signature models and then leave the Timely heavily tech inspired irons in a different range.... Name to be disclosed at a later date 😉😉👍👍
Is it not the case that this is the JPX 925 Tour, satin, boxy, more bounce than the MP range, but the tour pro’s who want those modern details over the MP don’t want it stamped JPX? So Mizuno stamp it Mizuno Pro even though it is not in the style of an MP. Which then leaves Mizuno in a tricky spot when it comes to the next round of Mizuno Pro.
@@AskGolfNut just one point on the looks. For us Antipodeans, the intensity and regularity of the sunshine makes the chrome a distraction, even though I agree shiny looks better.
No I've been very fortunate, as soon as I felt something go I stopped straight away... It's been building over time so I've been super careful with it over the last month or so, fingers crossed it's well on the way to healing.... Wrong time of year for it to happen unfortunately 👍
I am guessing you want sympathy from YT for your knee because there is a lack of sympathy at home! As I have had a grumbling knee for decades (school rugby will do that), you have my sympathy. I loved the JPX Tour irons. First tried the 918 Tour and could not believe how easy it was to hit, although the size of the 5i was definitely scarily small. As I got better the 5i in the Tour looked less scary but each generation was still so easy to hit, I just felt the looks gradually got less attractive From the video those irons sounded so soft. I am not changing my i210s any time soon but the S3s are very tempting
They are absolutely back to full on 1025E Grain Flow Forged with Copper Underlay, no tech apart from Sole relief so are back to its roots of being a proper honest forging 👍
Given how many times you used the word "lovely," how about a Ping i230 comparison? 😄
Two very lovely irons 🙂 if the suggestion gets enough LIKES then I'll definately add it to the list 👍
I think the proper comparison would be Blueprint S. JPX 925 Forged is in the i230 category.
Jay once again the top quality review anywhere on the planet.
I believe that your data driven analysis as baseline for review could be easily adopted by manufacturers to actually fine tune their future designs. Well done.
Haven't had any phone calls as yet 😊👍👍
@ sometimes it 20 years fore the world to see the light!!! I was an engineering student intern when I thought about using MIM technology to manufacture golf clubs heads.
20 years later Cobra showed up to market with that technology. ☺️
Wowsers 😮👍👍👍
@ so now you know why I love love love your channel. I’m a geek!!
@@AskGolfNut so now you know why I love love love your channel. I’m a geek!!
I absolutely love Mizuno, I love there take on clubs, I love the way they approach marketing there clubs, I love how low key they are about there launches, I love how they feel, look, shelf appeal, love to see reviews like yours because I can tell how much you enjoy the brand, keep up the great work, love my 243s but these look fantastic
I agree that thing would look better in chrome, that's why I just got some used MP-37s as a second set to my 243s. I think it's fair to say Mizuno has swayed me.
And the fact that it is a 4 year life cycle product is great for players wanting product line stability 👍
ive always been attracted to the futuristic satin of the Tours. maybe because growing up there was only chrome.
Gotta get that knee better! Thank you for putting yourself through the paces for us!
It's healing, torn meniscus can take months to heal and that's as long as it doesn't get hurt again by pushing too hard too soon. It's just sods law for it to happen at this time of year 😐👍👍
Thanks Jay. Great in depth review as always. I love how Mizuno continue to make irons like this when most other manufacturers don’t update their MB/CB for years. They’re not going to fly off the shelves but ……
Yep and from what I'm hearing they are a 4 year life cycle product .... 👍
This video is amazing! Great breakdown and love the heat maps!!! Great job
Glad you enjoyed it! Much appreciated 👍👍
That graphic seems to explain how how i have been fit into a blade a number of times even as a 7 hcp. I have a decent swing swing speed (92-94mph 7 iron), launch the ball very high but with relatively low spin. My miss and general strike pattern is heel side as well. Iv currently got P790's but looking to change as the distances i get are rediculas (7 iron carry 185-190) and i am prone to getting the odd 200 yarder and flying greens far more than coming up short. Recently got fit for the pro 241 which i was amazed at. I absolutely love them but just never thought id actually be fit for them.
Remind me of my MP18sc, I loved them and sometimes wished had never changed to the 223s. Maybe the S3 is my calling!! Great video, thanks Jay, get well soon bud.
Thanks very much Ian, glad you enjoyed the video 👍👍
These or the new srixon zxi7s will be my new irons. Do you know which ones are more forgiving out the toe? Thats my miss.
Haven't as yet reviewed the new Srixon irons, they'll be soon so make sure you are subscribed and have the notification bell on so you don't miss it 👍
S3 vs Blueprint S comparison .... yes please
If the request gets enough LIKES I'll absolutely be putting it on the video list 👍
There is no way I could ever hit those irons, but I still like to watch your reviews.
Well worth a test as testing irons is a fun activity and you never know how you might get on 😉😉😊👍👍👍
Sad that the tour is gone. I think they need a tour that's slightly more forgiving, but much less chunky than the forged
this is the tour now. looks great!
My New Year’s resolution is to get Jay to embrace satin finish in all these irons.
Reason #1: satin finish prevents sun glare from messing you up
#2: satin finish represents a more relaxed take on the game of golf
#3: satin finish is more like a nice French Polynesian fusion dish vs chrome and traditional lasagna
Just a start…. But there are so many reasons why satin should absolutely be in and chrome should forever be out!!!
Great review Jay. Might be testing your memory here but how do you rate these against previous JPX Tour models... in particular the 919 Tours? My guess is better feel and looks but likely similar in terms of distance and forgiveness.
Tempted to go for these 7i-PW, and a couple of 245s in the 5 and 6i bent 2° weak. Leaves a 5° gap between the 6 and 7i but feel like the higher launch of the 245s might mean this isn't too much of an issue. 9HCP, 7i SS ~88mph for reference if you think something like this could work 😊
I wish I had the ball striking to play something like this, I recently picked up a used MP-69 6 iron just to practice with in my backyard simulator. Wow is it much less forgiving than the 245, it makes a great training aid just by practicing to hit the center more consistently. To be honest if I could hit the S3 I much prefer the looks of the 241, which is why I love my 245 so much, looks almost identical to the 241 but much more forgiving.
Looks like the love affair with the 245s will continue and for good reason 👍
I have the 245 as well. The amount of tech in those clubs really makes you feel like you could hit anything. LOL.
Still Mp20 still takes a beating & will still game them absolutely love them
The chrome on the MP20 was lovely, I played them myself 👍
@AskGolfNut yep simplicity squat looking little Mizuno emblem perfect
And the feel , shot precision
Great looking club! And that approach looks very similar (minus the creek) to Pasatiempo number 16!
That is a beautiful iron, well presented and well done with your dodgy knee. Does tomorrow bring something I can refresh my T7 wedges with? I hope so, can't believe they binned the T7. Been in my bag for donkeys ❤
Check out the video I just released at 2pm UK Time 👍👍
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thanks for all the top down views of the club face... guys do all these iron reviews and rarely ever let you look down on the iron like you would at the ball.... drives me crazy searching a vid for a quick look.... thanks.
You're very welcome, I'll ensure I add enough footage of down by the ball in all reviews going forward as well 👍👍
@@AskGolfNut thanks man
new sub, I was lookin' at your swing too
Its not the best at the moment, had a knee injury that has stopped me from swinging for quite a while and only now getting back to swinging whilst trying to protect the knee 😬
@@AskGolfNut eat real clean and sleep well...really the only way to truly heal once you get to our age.... everything else is just band aids.... your build suggests your diet is pretty good, but as I have found, cheating on a clean diet when healing doesn;t help the healing.....an injury is a great chance to low carbs and just eliminate all simple sugars, even fruit.... watch the heal...... I'm constantly, or yearly it seems, ripping shat up.....what ever, it's life......who wants to swing at a golf ball with vigor? Chop wood like a sissy? Ski scared of the edge?
imho, If you are making incorrect anatomical actions in your swing, your body will tell you...some injury will show up, guaranteed..... from my experience here, one of the most important things a person can do as a fundamental in their golf swing as they age (or any age) is this..... make sure their right hip is dropping as your left hip posts through impact..... not getting that right hip dropping correctly is the absolute worst thing for the lower back and sacrum.. and age will show any golfer this golf swing truth...... the right knee cannot move out toward the ball through impact, but must more so collapse toward the left knee.... Scotty Sheff being an extreme example of this action......anyhow......
love the move to GSPro!
A bit demanding on my sum setup having GS Pro and Foresight FSX 2020 running together side by side but agree for the visuals it's the most impressive platform 👍
My jaw dropped at the sneak peak of the T1 wedges. S3 irons and T1 wedges might be making a debut in my bag this season.
Make sure you go to a good Swing DNA Custom Fitting facility.... Let me know how you get on 👍👍
Great review as always. These look not unlike my old mp60s and mp18sc.
Yes if the MP60 and MP18 had relations.... The Pro S3 would be the result 😊👍
Hope your knee feels better soon. Thanks for the timely video release. The sound was nice for those strikes. I use the 241, but looking of a combo set. These lofts look like a perfect fit, but is it worth that or should I just get the whole set? Also using the heat maps on your bronze site the 241's have a bigger sweet spot than the 245's. Is that correct? Thanks
In a manner of speaking yes, it's due very much like a lot of other players irons, to the fact that the CG of the head is more in line with the strike point allowing a better transfer of energy. Now the hotter clubs get around this by having hollow bodies with thinner faster faces, but their CG location is lower so sometimes suffers in the Forgiveness front. However if you look at the Advanced Data section with all the Launch dynamics differences this is where some clubs differ again. Due to the CG location, Launch Factor, Face, Spin Rates and Distance Potential numbers are different also so Forgiveness is only 1 part of a much larger fitting puzzle 👍
I love the fact that Mizuno has maintained traditional lofts with the S3. Seven iron is at 34 degrees. What’s new is old again. These new club series will have four-year cycles as opposed to the one-year cycles that the big boys have.
It's a brave direction to go with a 4 year life cycle, it absolutely means that having a stable players platform is really good for continuity however the marketing machine needs to work hard to ensure these don't basically get forgotten about in year 3 and 4.....👍
Excellent video, these new Mizuno Pro S-3 irons do like fantastic but since you have previously hit and reviewed the Cobra King CB (which I currently play) how do both these irons compare in size, performance and forgiveness?
If this suggestion gets enough LIKES then I'll happily add it to the video list 👍👍
@@AskGolfNut That would be good but I was just wondering what your own thoughts are between these 2 clubs.
That is what you call a very nice top line❤
Shame they can't make the JPX Forged look that small😂
Get the file out 😊 I was, kidding before anyone actually goes to the garage and grabs their tools 😊
@AskGolfNut Have a bench grinder 😃
How do these compare to the 919 tour
Happy New Year!
Happy New Year 😊
@ I’m looking forward to more of your great content for 2025. Thanks for all the work you put into your reviews.
@pauls2182 appreciate it, it's a lot of work but makes it all the better when I receive kind feedback 😊👍
@ Take care of that knee!
I'm curious...if you slap some lead tape out on the toe, will it stretch the green part of the heat map out? I'm not a bad ball striker, but for some reason, I intuitively like to stay away from the hotel, and for some reason feel as if the sweet spot on clubs would be further from the hosel. Any advice? I have a set I think I want to play with, but I thought I would seek your input first.
It wouldn't stretch the green area but it would shift it so it would have the desired effect. Although face closure rate might also be affected by moving weight towards the toe.... Just a thought 👍
@AskGolfNut
Thanks! I'm going to give it a go. I think my more solid contact will outweigh the compensation I may need to make for my potential slower closure rate. We'll see.
How do you sign up for your website. I went there but could not find a sign up link? Love the content.
Theres a register button at the bottom left, make an account and then use the "my account" button to choose a subscription level.
These look so close to the MP18 SC I used to game! I’d love to know what difference there is in tech?
I'd put it out therer that the MP18 SC actually had more tech in there than these 👍 although raw tech doesn't necessarily make something automatically better 👍
@@AskGolfNut appreciate the comment mate you said you’re looking at the T wedges tomorrow. I actually still have the 18s and still play the S-18s wedges of old so would be intrigued to see if the new T’s work with them!
I have some concerns about getting enough flight out of the 5 & 6 and have similar speeds to your own. Would you combo those at the top of the set or do you feel comfortable up to the 5?
Personally (if my knee would allow) I feel comfortable all the way to the 5 iron. The Pro S3 irons do surprisingly well at launching the golf ball from a blades (basically) perspective and as it spins also very well it allows for good long iron use 👍
Hmm....I currently play off 7 and have been gaming the JPX923 Tour for a year........would you swap for the S3.......is there enough difference, in your opinion, between the two to change? thanks - great review as always and hope the knee gets better..........
Honestly if you love your 923 Tours then I'd stick with them for at least another season. These Pro S3 irons are a 4 year life cycle product so they'll be about next year when you may consider again a change 😁
Very odd…it seems to slot between the 241 and 245 where the 243 is…if you look at the comparison chart on Mizuno’s site, it’s pretty close to the 243s in all the measurements (blade length and offset almost identical), but a noticeably thinner sole…I’m glad they made it because I loved the 221s, but needed more help, but for some reason, I can’t get on with the 223/243…it just feels too big…with this thinner sole, I’m looking forward to comparing it to the JPX Forged…
In reality I see this very very close to the 241s. I think Mizuno is going through a rebranding of its iron ranges starting with the Signature range with the S3. The full on blade will most likely come next..... Guessing S1 and then the other end of the MP line with all the tech in them will sit possibly called something else but I like it how Mizuno are wanting to go back to its roots for an iron design of this type 👍
@@AskGolfNut Will they drop the S1 this year?
Not allowed to say, however if we look at previous patterns it would suggest that the earliest we'll see something is late August at the very very earliest... Latest in January 2026 👍
@AskGolfNut Well played sir. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't going to get surprised in a month. I know the refresh to the 241 usually comes in January next year, but wasn't sure if they would push it forward, and bring it out this year to pair with this S3.
Whenever they do I hope they are chrome.... I think I'm hoping there.... But I can see the next set of irons if the potentially named S1 irons come along and are slightly even more sleeker than these lovely specimen 😊😊👍
Get well soon. I know how frustrating a wonky knee can be.
Yep it has been irritating. I believe I've suffered a torn meniscus so has been pretty difficult to swing and twist on the left knee. I think it's getting better but I'm at the stage where I don't want to risk hurting it as it's possibly nearly there in its recovery 🤞🤞🤞
Are we looking at 4 S series irons in this collection?
I don't think so, I believe Mizuno want to full on Players irons in the Signature line and thus leaving the 2 other more tech inspired heads within the Pro line currently to be placed in another named line up... What it will be called unfortunately I'm bound by NDA to not disclose 👍
This lineup is getting a little confusing, but I'm sure when everything is out it will make more sense.
im not a fan of that JPX-style satin with white paintfill that Mizuno is stuck on. I miss the days of MP60, MP64 chrome. This beaded pearl satin finish rubs to some odd shiny-but not-chrome around the hosel and face when it lives next to other clubs in your bag.
I wouldn't know as mine stay under cover for the entire time and only see daylight just as they are about to be used and then straight away housed into darkness again 🤣🤣👍👍
Agree. Mp64 would also be quite a bit more forgiving. This is a blade disguised with a cavity back. Mizuno has now created 2 competing blades. I don't get it. Give me a forgiving players CB without jacked lofts. I guess there's plenty of older Mizuno CB's to choose from.
@@AskGolfNut Ha,, yeah, I was mostly referring to them jostling in a car of walking with a carry bag :)
Nothing but lovely cushioned touches in my bag as I walk along 🤣🤣👍👍
What a gorgeous iron. Even if you are a mid to high handicap player with 70 mph swing speed, if you are content with carry from traditional weak lofts, and you like to work at golf, then you can spend many pleasant hours working to improve your contact, your strike, with the help of a can of Dr Scholl’s spray foot powder. You are the type who doesn’t want it to be easy but to be rewarding when you hit it correctly.
I agree anyone wanting to get the most consistency from themselves would do well using these irons and learning the art of consistency of strike. Many Game Improvement Irons with large areas of forgiveness does nothing to train the golfer to keep towards the middle of the face and rely on the club to do the work. 🤞
@ And as a 70 mph swing speed, you’re going to use the PW, 9,8,7 and maybe 6. You accept 127 carry with the 7. All the other gaps fall neatly in place. Then you will use hybrids or high lofted woods to complete your set: for example 11w, 9w, 7w and 5W, plus driver. Plus maybe three wedges and putter.
How do we think these will compare to 919 JPX Tour? +2 handicap trying to talk myself out of upgrading to these.. haha
I'd say go give them a test but I'm trying to talk you out of it 😊😊👍
Where does this fit / how does this perform versus the 241 & 243?
It sits much closer to the 241s than anything 243.... The 243s have far more tech in them and the Pro S3 line is a much simpler design. 👍
is the Wilson Staff CB more forgiving than the S3?
+1
what is that software used?
On the main projector screen it's GS Pro, for the Club Head delivery screen it's FSX 2020 👍
Really love these and on my wish list for 2025. Hope 2025 will also bring a real contender in the driver market for Mizuno to seriously rival the QI35 line.
Thanks Jay as always.
I've got their 2025 Driver video coming on Thursday 2pm UK Time 😊
@ Amazing! Cannot wait.
I am playing mp53 currently. Would these be similar ?
Kind of but the Pro S3 may well have slightly smaller dimensions, but will still feel every bit as good 👍
Wish I was good enough to play a set of these 😂
Why not give them a test 😊 it's alwasy nice to test new clubs even if you feel you aren't good enough to play them 👍
@ currently don’t have a club to play at. Ours went bust last year. But if I was to buy a new set I’m very interested in Wilson DP forged
Compare those to JPX923 tours I would like to see the bounce compared to these
Unfortunately in a review there is no actual way to compare the effects of the bounce differences between the sets. The camera may pick up the sole thickness differences but in no way what the angle differences are between them. The difference between the two are so small in this particular area that no reviewer could objectively measure how one does over the other 👍
T100 23 comparison softer?
I'd love to be able to tell you but since Titliest still don't reply to my attempts to contact them..... Your guess is as good as mine 🤷🤦👍
@ well I am split these look amazing grew up playing hogan apex blades but want little more forgiveness now
Can a10 hndcp use em
Handicap is and always has been a terrible way to select equipment to test or buy and I put this purely on the shoulders of the manufacturers being responsible for pedalling this common misconception. Handicap is a measure of score only and in no way an indicator of what golfer should use what equipment. Base your equipment choices on the needs of your personal swing. Do you need forgiveness more than say optimising Launch Factor, Face Speed or Face Spin Rates...there are always generalisations to make that higher handicap golfers need more forgiving irons but through the years of coaching and Custom Fitting I have lost count of the amount of golfers that not only buck the trend but are in total opposition to it 👍👍👍
Isn’t it low spinning for 34°? Maybe not. Seems pretty good at 70mph
I'm using a relatively low spinning ball so if anyone was to use say a Pro Vx the spin would move to around 6500 say... Again it's all to do with dynamic loft delivery also, I'm delivering 6 iron static lofts dynamically so anyone that delivers with more or less will see a deviation in spin from my averages, and that's before we talk about attack angles and face to path differences 😊👍
How could best can get any better. I have 2 sets of 221s. I play the chrome/satin set regularly and have the limited blues under my bed. Let’s see what the S1s are gonna look like but, I am in agreement with you that I prefer the chrome or chrome/satin finish versus the white satin. 😊 I am willing to be curious as to what the T1s have over my T-24s. Thanks for the intro!
T1 and T3 Wedges coming tomorrow. It's a much more of a video explaining the differences between all the wedges and what golfers would suit which Grind and Bounce 👍
@ Gotcha! Thank you! I work at a Mizuno Authorized Dealer as a fitter and builder so they should be in by the release date. I won’t hit any other wedges but the Ts.
In the UK the fitting accounts have had their update kits to the DNA carts which includes 8 or so different wedge heads for golfers to finally be able to test the wedges alongside the irons within the fitting 👍
@ We have a new fitting cart that came in several months ago but it does not have the new wedges or the S3.
The face length seems a bit too long for me…I prefer the Blueprint T’s…but this is one awesome iron in both performance and aesthetics.
It must be the camera as one thing these blade lengths are is long or even close to it 🙂👍
Those look lovely, but a HMP is more in my handicap range
Just remember handicap is a measure of score rather than equipment needs... Depending on what you need from an iron these are well worth a test but agree Forgiveness wise the HMP is really really hard to argue against 👍
Knee sympathy! Get better soon Jay.
Thanks very much Paul 👍
First shot. The Mizuno sound of old…. Right there!!
Feels lovely at impact, old school Mizuno vibes 😊👍
They look like my mp-18 sc irons 👀
They do, and really it's best to see them as softer, less tech inspired and smaller dimension versions of the SC. Mizuno going back to their roots 👍
I really like this look that's more like classic cb irons. Too much going on with hollow heads, graphics etc. on current irons.
In Mizunos own words they are trying to go back to their Timeless roots of club design for the Signature models and then leave the Timely heavily tech inspired irons in a different range.... Name to be disclosed at a later date 😉😉👍👍
Is it not the case that this is the JPX 925 Tour, satin, boxy, more bounce than the MP range, but the tour pro’s who want those modern details over the MP don’t want it stamped JPX? So Mizuno stamp it Mizuno Pro even though it is not in the style of an MP. Which then leaves Mizuno in a tricky spot when it comes to the next round of Mizuno Pro.
I think the Signature line is here to stay for a while at least 😊👍
Lovely
245 could be a S5?
Couldn't say, not allowed 😊 but I don't think the naming convention will work quite like that 🤷👍
Look nice
I agree..... But can someone Chrome them and release a limited edition 😊
Mp 18 vibes.
mp18 sc
Much smaller top line and blade length than the MP18 SC ... they were quite thick and long for a 'tour' cavity
oh my.. they look the money.. not certain i strike it well enough to justify though
They are more forgiving than I initially gave them credit for. The heat map is decent for the type of iron 👍
@@AskGolfNut just one point on the looks. For us Antipodeans, the intensity and regularity of the sunshine makes the chrome a distraction, even though I agree shiny looks better.
Look the same as mp18 sc
Very similar design 👍
Shame about the Satin finish. Mizuno Satin clubs unfortunately look a bit basic and unfinished to me.
I have a tendency to agree but that's only as I have an unhealthy obsession with chrome 😂
Laid up last 3 months with torn meniscus no fun at all
No I've been very fortunate, as soon as I felt something go I stopped straight away... It's been building over time so I've been super careful with it over the last month or so, fingers crossed it's well on the way to healing.... Wrong time of year for it to happen unfortunately 👍
Very ping i230
Some sympathy.
I joke, injuries suck. Hope you're fixed up ready for the season
Thanks for the kind thoughts.
You are right, you can definitely see a bit of MP18 SC in there but definitely without the Tech of the SC 👍
I am guessing you want sympathy from YT for your knee because there is a lack of sympathy at home! As I have had a grumbling knee for decades (school rugby will do that), you have my sympathy.
I loved the JPX Tour irons. First tried the 918 Tour and could not believe how easy it was to hit, although the size of the 5i was definitely scarily small. As I got better the 5i in the Tour looked less scary but each generation was still so easy to hit, I just felt the looks gradually got less attractive
From the video those irons sounded so soft. I am not changing my i210s any time soon but the S3s are very tempting
They are absolutely back to full on 1025E Grain Flow Forged with Copper Underlay, no tech apart from Sole relief so are back to its roots of being a proper honest forging 👍
Sympathy
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Thanks 😉👍👍👍