I would love to see a test of 48degree clubs from the iron ranges and the wedge ranges to really see the difference. I’m sure there will be a difference between a 245 gw and a T1 wedge, but how much
I love the breakdown of how to use the bounce and different grinds. I think normal golfers would benefit a lot from thinking about how they like to chip and matching their wedges to what they buy.
Golfers with a lesser skill level would benefit massively from a few short game lessons and keeping things as simple as possible. Staying away from fancy flop techniques and using simple methods to reduce the short game waste that affects so many golfers scorecards 👍
Love your detailed explanations and you are one of the few that does the multiple swing speed tests. Keep up the great work and you'll have a million followers!
Thanks Jay. I so love the blue finish - I just wish the it were more durable. I am so jazzed about the lineup so far. Can’t wait to see if the woods will rival the TM Qi offerings. Would love to go back to a full Mizuno arsenal. 😊
I play T24 in the Raw finish. Talk me through how to pick between the new satin and the black. I picked the raw as the previous silver was v shiny. How is this Satin? Safer just to go black?
Hi Jay, great review and a fair point made about the around green testing, yet a lot of people enjoy the visual aspect of testing reviews. Mizuno have nailed the colour choices, although a lot of people still don't understand that it's only a coating and does scratch up and wear off pretty quickly (depending on use). Great work as always and I hope your knee continues to heal up.? Kind regards Olly.
Wedges and Putter reviews can be very similar in the fact that the performance you see on screen has absolutely got everything to do with the reviewers skill level rather than anything to do with the wedges themselves. Also it's very difficult to get through all the information to do with the grinds etc and who they are for when the reviewers are spending most of their time showing off to camera 😊😊
You are absolutely right @@AskGolfNut there's an American club reviewer (that likes to play through) and unfortunately his short game skills are that of a blind epileptic octopus, as where the likes of yourself and say Peter Finch have very tidy short game skills. The T3's look to be more my choice being a mid to high handicapper, but I wonder if the set wedges that are available with say the jpx Forged or pro would be just as good because they match the irons. 💭💭 I'm assuming that would be revealed in the fitting 💭💭 Thanks as always, kind regards. Olly.
Nice one Jay, been thinking of updating my MP R series 52/58. They have to be 15 years old now. I think either these or the Ping S159’s. The S159’s would flow into my blueprint S quite well but that would mean not having anything Mizuno in the bag for the 1st in forever!!!😮
Hey Jay great video. I think the T1 P grind is going to be more comparable to the Vokey D grind, much like the M grinds are similar (minus 2° bounce difference on the Ms)
I'm not hugely au fait with the recent Vokey series since not using since the red gears were made illegal so I'll absolutely bow to your more current knowledge 👍
I have a set of the copper s23 wedges which were the best feeling in the store. I love the finish. I’m glad wedge fitting is now a possibility as well. I just had to guess a little bit.
As do a lot of golfers so the addition of having them in the Swing DNA is a, game changer for many. I hear massive updates coming from Mizuno next year with regards to the Swing DNA Analyser also 😉👍
Unfortunately yes, the Copper finish was absolutely, although mainly for the purpose of presentation rather than playing as, no one wanted to damage the finish 🤣
The original MP20 HMB were the longest of the recent hollow body blade lengths but not too massive at all. Similar to the modern day JPX925 Forged iron so in reality you are quite fortunate as you could easily look to blend with either depending on your likes and needs between both the T1 and T3 Wedges 👍
So Mizuno is now getting away from alternating the releases of their two lines of wedges and releasing both at the same time? Is the T3 and update/extension of the S23? I replaced my T20’s with the S23’s when they came out and really like them. How do the T3’s and the S23’s compare/contrast?
No it's a graphic mistake, I used the graphics from the technical presentation to media partners and it seems it was lacking a little mistake and typo checking before they released it 😁 that's why I adjusted the graphic myself to show in larger letters the correct Grind Letter 👍👍
These look amazing. I want all of the wedges. All of them. Oh, and I LOVE the toe -down chip. We're all Bermuda grass here in the southern US and I use it 90% of the time - 100% in the winter. It's so easy. I don't know why everyone isn't doing it on every shot around the green. I actually play the face fairly straight unless I need to get over something. Ball pops up out of literally ANY lie at the same angle every time, rolls out the same every time. It feels like cheating.
It's all about technique and when you know and and can use it, it does sometimes feel like cheating when the handicap golfer looks at you like he can't work out why he hasn't done that before now 😊😊😊👍
How forgiving are the T ones for toe side miss? That’s my usual miss. I’ve been playing the game improvement wedges for some years and each year I like them little less. Thank you great video as always!
The T3 Wedges are the most forgiving from full shot toe misses 👍 The T1 is a T24 replacement where the CG is slightly closer to the heel, the T3 replaces the S23 👍
Also just so you know I'll be turning off TH-cam Memberships soon and moving over to the new website so you can still access all the heatmap data from all the current and new equipment reviews. Have you got your log in details for the website? 👍
Currently using the S23 wedges and MP245 irons. My weakness (technique) is around the greens, would you recommend a T1 or T3 or will there be an S25 coming? Also thanks for the grind explanation, I can’t get enough of those.
The S23 would translate better into the T3 it's slightly larger than the T1 also the CG will be further away from the hozel given the slightly longer blade length 👍
T3 will take over the S23, the T3 is a larger longer blade length that will pull the CG away from the heel or at least it will pull it more towards the toe when compared to the T1 👍 where the CG actually is precisely, no technical information I have at least shows that 👍
Pity. Love my S23's. Disappointing to see Mizuno cut down on grinds for the successor. Guess I'll buy me a groove sharpener for my favorite low bounce X grind 58 S23 then to make it last till the S27 comes out (...)
So, the pros with more aggressive grinds is that you can play a variety of shots. The con would be more aggressive grinds might dig more with less skilled golfers?
Absolutely, they are now covering all the ability levels with all the grinds. Unless someone has a very good short game I'd generally steer clear away from grinds with large amounts of toe and heel relief 👍
The Mizuno wedges seem to want to blend their previous fairly low bounce/grind option towards the Vokey to try and capture every golfers needs from either high bounce or low bounce and with the grinds it will allow the face to be manipulated whilst not compromising the leading edge 👍
Did you not assess the degree of bounce on each wedge when you went through the ordering process?? It's an incredibly important part of the ordering process as much so as the sole profile.!
@@Golfing-AddiCt one, I went to a fitter and tested them indoors, which was a mistake. Two, Vokeys didn't offer anything similar to what I had, 56.12 and 60.07, so I went with the fitters suggestion, which was supposed to be similar. My next wedge fitting will be done outdoors on a short game practice area at Standard club in Atlanta where they shoot the Mizuno launch videos.
Question - Are these all centre weighed, as S23? My understanding was that was an explicit differentiator on the S23 vs T22. I never played the T24, so haven't got a comparison there. Sad they haven't reflected "copper underlay" with a denim copper model. Still my favourite finish. And the bit no-one is mentioning in current reviews - The have both moved the number to the toe, and it looks like there is a marginal change to the font, so "50" looks a little less like "60". But why has the Chrome one not got the white paint on the loft part of the number? I play 50/55/60 and I've pulled the wrong one 50/60 several times, and really wanted the numbers to stand out in the new model. The back stamp was what I liked least about the S23, so that is some improvement, but it's still not as clear as it should be on the standard one.
The T3 has a more centred CG as did the S23. The S23 did it a slightly different way by having a similar blade size to that of the T but moving mass out of the heel and into the toe. The T3 does it via a longer blade length and more aggressive perimeter weighting 👍
@@AskGolfNut Thank you. So does that mean the T1 is effectively more heel, or is that just an attribute of the smaller head - ie nearer heel, but still central on face?
The 925 Forged isn't actually that big and could easily blend into the T1 for sure. The T1s have a few more Grind options if that's your thing.... Also available for Lefties which is a welcome inclusion....
Ooh…these are very sexy indeed….I prefer smaller headed clubs so the T1 would be a good option for me. I used Clevelands forever and love them, but not as enamored by the RTX line as I was with the 588s…tried this last go around to go with the Vokey and don’t like them at all…My only hitch is I’ll likely try to fit into the JPX Forged when they come out. Seem to be a good blend of not too big, but some nice help…I’m 55 now and had both hips replaced, shoulder surgery, back issues (lifetime of ice hockey), so I need a little help in the speed/height department, but don’t have issues with strike…I’ve tried some of the bigger irons and can’t hit them. (JPX 923 HMP and HL)…
The JPX925 Forged irons aren't massive especially compared to something like the Hot Metal or Hot Metal HL so the Forged can easily be blended with the slightly larger T3 or slightly smaller T1. The Forged Irons are a perfect piggy in the middle size wise to have every option 👍
T24 copper was lovely but not sure when Mizuno will create a full face groove option... It receives a lot of polarising opinion so if the masses demand a full face I'm sure as all companies would, they will bow to the masses wants and requirements 👍
@AskGolfNut it just makes sense on a 58 or 60. If you fully open the face, the back of the club is now a smooth slab. Just one, some of us play in the mornings.
That very much depends on how you use the sole of the Wedges with your individual swing. This question during your fitting absolutely is the type that the fitter will want to be hearing the answer to to allow for the right choice to be made 👍👍
The X has such an aggressive grind that you really wouldn't want it in say a SW loft so having it the most lofted option is the sensible. One could argue that having it in the 58 also would be good, that absolutely I would concede 👍👍
Due to the cost in producing them. Honestly I'm amazed they made all of the Wedges T1 and T3 and also all the Bounces and Grinds available in Left Handed. It makes absolutely no financial sense to do this due to amount of left handed sales. But kudos to them for doing so, on balance not having all the finishes may well be a small negative of a much bigger positive 👍
Nope I'm not sponsored at all. I personally disagree with reviewers being paid by any particular brand as a part of any contract is always going to be brand specific. I have my personal preferences like all people do, no different to what brand of car people like to drive, and so I doesn't effect my reviews. Plus I use GCQuad that doesn't allow me to lie even if I wanted to. Because I give full club head data, if I was to swing faster or produce less loft etc to make one go longer then it would show straight away in the data. Honesty and Transparency is key to golf reviews especially on ones where I choose to wear the same brand as the feature of the video 👍
This is the best description of how bounce and wedges in general operate. Brilliant!
Well done Jay.
Thanks pal for the kind feedback 👍
I have been looking for a video with proper explanation of wedge grinds. This was it!!
Really glad you got something from the video 👍
I would love to see a test of 48degree clubs from the iron ranges and the wedge ranges to really see the difference. I’m sure there will be a difference between a 245 gw and a T1 wedge, but how much
I love the breakdown of how to use the bounce and different grinds. I think normal golfers would benefit a lot from thinking about how they like to chip and matching their wedges to what they buy.
Golfers with a lesser skill level would benefit massively from a few short game lessons and keeping things as simple as possible. Staying away from fancy flop techniques and using simple methods to reduce the short game waste that affects so many golfers scorecards 👍
Best wedge video I’ve found! Thanks for talking the time to explain the grinds!
You're very welcome, thanks for the kind comment 👍
Love your detailed explanations and you are one of the few that does the multiple swing speed tests. Keep up the great work and you'll have a million followers!
Would love to think so 😊 I'll keep waiting for them to arrive 😊
15 HCP here. Got fitted for 925 HM HL thanks to you. Currently have T24 50S, 54D and 58C....I love them, but looking at T3 now!!!
Is Mizuno still only making certain lofts and then bending to get other lofts changing the offset when they are bent?
Great explanation Jay. Well done. I have a Mizuno 56 and 60 in the T7's with 10* Bounce. I need to replace them.
Thanks Jay. I so love the blue finish - I just wish the it were more durable. I am so jazzed about the lineup so far. Can’t wait to see if the woods will rival the TM Qi offerings. Would love to go back to a full Mizuno arsenal. 😊
The t3 would be nice as a gap, gap wedge considering Mizuno has jacked the gap loft down to a traditional pw on the 923 forged. 😂
We just call that modern day progression 🤣🤣👍👍👍
As if that's just Mizuno thing! They're aren't nearly as bad as some manufacturers
I game mizuno mp221 feel is incredible. But wedge wise I’ve still got my SM5 I sharpen the grooves, but I may have a look at these
I play T24 in the Raw finish. Talk me through how to pick between the new satin and the black. I picked the raw as the previous silver was v shiny. How is this Satin? Safer just to go black?
Hi Jay, great review and a fair point made about the around green testing, yet a lot of people enjoy the visual aspect of testing reviews.
Mizuno have nailed the colour choices, although a lot of people still don't understand that it's only a coating and does scratch up and wear off pretty quickly (depending on use). Great work as always and I hope your knee continues to heal up.?
Kind regards
Olly.
Wedges and Putter reviews can be very similar in the fact that the performance you see on screen has absolutely got everything to do with the reviewers skill level rather than anything to do with the wedges themselves. Also it's very difficult to get through all the information to do with the grinds etc and who they are for when the reviewers are spending most of their time showing off to camera 😊😊
You are absolutely right @@AskGolfNut there's an American club reviewer (that likes to play through) and unfortunately his short game skills are that of a blind epileptic octopus, as where the likes of yourself and say Peter Finch have very tidy short game skills.
The T3's look to be more my choice being a mid to high handicapper, but I wonder if the set wedges that are available with say the jpx Forged or pro would be just as good because they match the irons. 💭💭 I'm assuming that would be revealed in the fitting 💭💭
Thanks as always, kind regards.
Olly.
Got to say, that New Mizzy pro ball with the Blue wedge sitting at address on Mizuno's youtube vid about these irons has sold it to me lol
Hopefully should be receiving my media sample balls soon 👍
Nice one Jay, been thinking of updating my MP R series 52/58. They have to be 15 years old now. I think either these or the Ping S159’s. The S159’s would flow into my blueprint S quite well but that would mean not having anything Mizuno in the bag for the 1st in forever!!!😮
Give them both a try, honestly both wedges are really good 👍
Hey Jay great video. I think the T1 P grind is going to be more comparable to the Vokey D grind, much like the M grinds are similar (minus 2° bounce difference on the Ms)
I'm not hugely au fait with the recent Vokey series since not using since the red gears were made illegal so I'll absolutely bow to your more current knowledge 👍
I have a set of the copper s23 wedges which were the best feeling in the store. I love the finish.
I’m glad wedge fitting is now a possibility as well. I just had to guess a little bit.
As do a lot of golfers so the addition of having them in the Swing DNA is a, game changer for many. I hear massive updates coming from Mizuno next year with regards to the Swing DNA Analyser also 😉👍
Copper and raw are out?
Unfortunately yes, the Copper finish was absolutely, although mainly for the purpose of presentation rather than playing as, no one wanted to damage the finish 🤣
Which wedge style would fit best with the original HMB’s Jay? T3? Thanks
The original MP20 HMB were the longest of the recent hollow body blade lengths but not too massive at all. Similar to the modern day JPX925 Forged iron so in reality you are quite fortunate as you could easily look to blend with either depending on your likes and needs between both the T1 and T3 Wedges 👍
Thanks for this Jay. Do you know if mizuno are releasing a new driver soon / this year?
I have a video coming tomorrow at 2pm that may well answer your question 😉😉👍👍👍
So Mizuno is now getting away from alternating the releases of their two lines of wedges and releasing both at the same time? Is the T3 and update/extension of the S23? I replaced my T20’s with the S23’s when they came out and really like them. How do the T3’s and the S23’s compare/contrast?
How come the T1 60X wedge has a 60L loft/grind notation on the toe? Is Mizuno adopting the Vokey L grind notation?
No it's a graphic mistake, I used the graphics from the technical presentation to media partners and it seems it was lacking a little mistake and typo checking before they released it 😁 that's why I adjusted the graphic myself to show in larger letters the correct Grind Letter 👍👍
These look amazing. I want all of the wedges. All of them.
Oh, and I LOVE the toe -down chip. We're all Bermuda grass here in the southern US and I use it 90% of the time - 100% in the winter. It's so easy. I don't know why everyone isn't doing it on every shot around the green. I actually play the face fairly straight unless I need to get over something. Ball pops up out of literally ANY lie at the same angle every time, rolls out the same every time. It feels like cheating.
It's all about technique and when you know and and can use it, it does sometimes feel like cheating when the handicap golfer looks at you like he can't work out why he hasn't done that before now 😊😊😊👍
I game the Pro 245’s which wedge would you say would best fit between the 2? I typically game a 54 and 58
T1 would suit best, the 245s are quite sleek in their blade lengths so would blend best with T1 👍
So is the T1 a T24 replacement and the T3 is an S23 replacement? T3 seems to have less bounce/grind options compared with S23
Basically yes 👍👍
Where are these for sale?
You can preorder now and get fitted now for them but retail outlets won't start to receive product until late January early February 👍
My cleveland cbx wedges are very nice
Cleveland also make amazingly good wedges and should be considered by all 👍👍
How forgiving are the T ones for toe side miss? That’s my usual miss. I’ve been playing the game improvement wedges for some years and each year I like them little less.
Thank you great video as always!
The T3 Wedges are the most forgiving from full shot toe misses 👍
The T1 is a T24 replacement where the CG is slightly closer to the heel, the T3 replaces the S23 👍
Also just so you know I'll be turning off TH-cam Memberships soon and moving over to the new website so you can still access all the heatmap data from all the current and new equipment reviews.
Have you got your log in details for the website? 👍
Currently using the S23 wedges and MP245 irons. My weakness (technique) is around the greens, would you recommend a T1 or T3 or will there be an S25 coming? Also thanks for the grind explanation, I can’t get enough of those.
The S23 would translate better into the T3 it's slightly larger than the T1 also the CG will be further away from the hozel given the slightly longer blade length 👍
Is the T3 going to be a replacement for the S23 or will there be a S25 in the works?
And, if T3 is replacement, does it have a true COG like S23 does?
T3 will take over the S23, the T3 is a larger longer blade length that will pull the CG away from the heel or at least it will pull it more towards the toe when compared to the T1 👍 where the CG actually is precisely, no technical information I have at least shows that 👍
Pity. Love my S23's. Disappointing to see Mizuno cut down on grinds for the successor. Guess I'll buy me a groove sharpener for my favorite low bounce X grind 58 S23 then to make it last till the S27 comes out (...)
@@pbode1 yes!! The S23’s have been a game changer for me. Night and day improvement!
So, the pros with more aggressive grinds is that you can play a variety of shots. The con would be more aggressive grinds might dig more with less skilled golfers?
Absolutely, they are now covering all the ability levels with all the grinds. Unless someone has a very good short game I'd generally steer clear away from grinds with large amounts of toe and heel relief 👍
My vokey wedges are the worst I've ever used. The overly aggressive bounce forces you to play the wedge square or play a wedge with very low bounce
The Mizuno wedges seem to want to blend their previous fairly low bounce/grind option towards the Vokey to try and capture every golfers needs from either high bounce or low bounce and with the grinds it will allow the face to be manipulated whilst not compromising the leading edge 👍
Did you not assess the degree of bounce on each wedge when you went through the ordering process??
It's an incredibly important part of the ordering process as much so as the sole profile.!
@@Golfing-AddiCt one, I went to a fitter and tested them indoors, which was a mistake. Two, Vokeys didn't offer anything similar to what I had, 56.12 and 60.07, so I went with the fitters suggestion, which was supposed to be similar. My next wedge fitting will be done outdoors on a short game practice area at Standard club in Atlanta where they shoot the Mizuno launch videos.
No copper sucks, are they 1025E or 1025 Boron? 1025E would be pretty sweet
Website pics show on hosel : GF Forged HD 1025E
Website hosel pic says 1025E
1025E with Copper Underlay 👍
Question - Are these all centre weighed, as S23? My understanding was that was an explicit differentiator on the S23 vs T22. I never played the T24, so haven't got a comparison there.
Sad they haven't reflected "copper underlay" with a denim copper model. Still my favourite finish.
And the bit no-one is mentioning in current reviews - The have both moved the number to the toe, and it looks like there is a marginal change to the font, so "50" looks a little less like "60". But why has the Chrome one not got the white paint on the loft part of the number? I play 50/55/60 and I've pulled the wrong one 50/60 several times, and really wanted the numbers to stand out in the new model. The back stamp was what I liked least about the S23, so that is some improvement, but it's still not as clear as it should be on the standard one.
The T3 has a more centred CG as did the S23. The S23 did it a slightly different way by having a similar blade size to that of the T but moving mass out of the heel and into the toe. The T3 does it via a longer blade length and more aggressive perimeter weighting 👍
@@AskGolfNut Thank you. So does that mean the T1 is effectively more heel, or is that just an attribute of the smaller head - ie nearer heel, but still central on face?
Shame they don't do the T3 in the black, would blend lovely with the 925 forged in black.
The 925 Forged isn't actually that big and could easily blend into the T1 for sure. The T1s have a few more Grind options if that's your thing.... Also available for Lefties which is a welcome inclusion....
Ooh…these are very sexy indeed….I prefer smaller headed clubs so the T1 would be a good option for me. I used Clevelands forever and love them, but not as enamored by the RTX line as I was with the 588s…tried this last go around to go with the Vokey and don’t like them at all…My only hitch is I’ll likely try to fit into the JPX Forged when they come out. Seem to be a good blend of not too big, but some nice help…I’m 55 now and had both hips replaced, shoulder surgery, back issues (lifetime of ice hockey), so I need a little help in the speed/height department, but don’t have issues with strike…I’ve tried some of the bigger irons and can’t hit them. (JPX 923 HMP and HL)…
The JPX925 Forged irons aren't massive especially compared to something like the Hot Metal or Hot Metal HL so the Forged can easily be blended with the slightly larger T3 or slightly smaller T1. The Forged Irons are a perfect piggy in the middle size wise to have every option 👍
@ that’s my hope.
Not having denim copper or offering a full face option is a big no for me. I'll keep my t24s and a cobra snakebite 60°.
T24 copper was lovely but not sure when Mizuno will create a full face groove option... It receives a lot of polarising opinion so if the masses demand a full face I'm sure as all companies would, they will bow to the masses wants and requirements 👍
@AskGolfNut it just makes sense on a 58 or 60. If you fully open the face, the back of the club is now a smooth slab. Just one, some of us play in the mornings.
My S18 wedges could do with replacement, they have been really good. T1 could be the ideal replacement. What would the best grind for bunker play - C?
That very much depends on how you use the sole of the Wedges with your individual swing. This question during your fitting absolutely is the type that the fitter will want to be hearing the answer to to allow for the right choice to be made 👍👍
The X is only available in 60
The X has such an aggressive grind that you really wouldn't want it in say a SW loft so having it the most lofted option is the sensible. One could argue that having it in the 58 also would be good, that absolutely I would concede 👍👍
my favorite X grind has an identity crisis and started calling itself L?
Yep those images came direct from Mizuno prior to someone fact checking them 🤣😁 I made sure I adjusted the label underneath to show it properly 👍
Why do they only make the black and blue wedges in RH? Why do they hate us lefties?
Due to the cost in producing them. Honestly I'm amazed they made all of the Wedges T1 and T3 and also all the Bounces and Grinds available in Left Handed. It makes absolutely no financial sense to do this due to amount of left handed sales. But kudos to them for doing so, on balance not having all the finishes may well be a small negative of a much bigger positive 👍
Are you sponsored by Mizuno. As that in itself is marketing. By the way though I play Mizuno irons an wedges. Not a hater
Nope I'm not sponsored at all. I personally disagree with reviewers being paid by any particular brand as a part of any contract is always going to be brand specific. I have my personal preferences like all people do, no different to what brand of car people like to drive, and so I doesn't effect my reviews. Plus I use GCQuad that doesn't allow me to lie even if I wanted to. Because I give full club head data, if I was to swing faster or produce less loft etc to make one go longer then it would show straight away in the data. Honesty and Transparency is key to golf reviews especially on ones where I choose to wear the same brand as the feature of the video 👍
Sorry left-handers, we don't get any love from Mizuno.
How do you mean? Apart from finish colour, Mizuno have made every loft, bounce and grind option available as a left handed option 🤷🤷
@@AskGolfNut I mean finish color. I want blue clubs too...