One thing to add: If you assigned some units to a group, and later wanted to unassign these units from this group - let's say group 2 - don't select any unit (just click anywhere on the map), then click Ctrl+2, so now 2 is not assigned to any group of units.
I just use exclusive control groups. Inclusive control groups the way Beasty is doing is too hard for my brain to process, it just confuses me all the time.
Sadly, I can't do that because I have all the letters on the left side of assigned to some secondary role with Ctrl modifier, like Ctrl S = Select all Stables and so forth. I need to be able to press Ctrl Y, X, C. Impossible to do with palm resting on Ctrl.
What hot keys do you use when, for example, you have 5 sheep at your TC and you select 10 vills, then you only command 1 or 2 of the vills to kill sheep from the 10 selected? Even if multiple are selected, you only command some of them to do a task. Thanks!
I am curious what everyone thinks about the hotkey stealing option in comparison to what Beasty showed in the video? The key difference being that with hotkey stealing you cannot have a unit on multiple hotkeys. I think the advantage is that you don't have to play the hotkey gymnastics to move units from group 1 to 2, etc. The downside seems to be that the results are much more precise, meaning each unit is only available on a single hotkey (this option is more susceptible to accidentally hitting the wrong hotkey). It seems to me that both would be viable, just depends on personal preference.
i also do the palm of hand on CTRL key, i was a longtime WoW player. most of people that play wow we all use the palm for ctrl because in WoW u have something like 100+ keybinds varying on the class u play, and oftentimes u have to do things like CTRL+SHIFt+ALT like for example for some keybinds like that, u would press palm of hand on ctrl, thumb on alt, pinky on shift, your pinky and thumb kinda almost touching, and middle finger reaching for 123 or E R , and ring finger for Q. alternatively, lot of MMO players we keybind to mouse, but me i just rest the palm on ctrl. i also thought everybody does that too lol
I was looking for this exact video! I literally watched the micro and macro guides not even 6 hours ago and you said you would do a hotkey video but it seems it didn't end up getting made. I was about to come into the chat and ask about how to remove control groups quickly lmao I ended up effectively trying to recreate the Core+ hotkey setup from SC2. Took me quite a while to rebind everything lol Also man I really wish this game had control group stealing like SC2.
@DarkOracle363 It actually does have control group stealing! In the settings under the "controls" section there is an option called "Exclusive Control Group". If you turn that on it will disallow units being added to multiple control groups. I used that in SC2 and have adopted it here in AOE4. It's really nice!
@@orisitsteven I did actually find that recently, but it unfortunately creates a problem for me. For example I would use spearmen on hotkey 1, and then archers on hotkey 2, and then both blobs of army on hotkey 3. If I use exclusive mode I can't have them both on hotkey 3 AND their own group on 1 and 2. I did end up leaving it on in the end and just trying to learn to have the higher APM it requires of sometimes performing commands 2-3 times, it just really feels like a compromise though. The best scenario would be if it just had a steal to hotkey group option in the bindings like there is for create hotkey group and add to hotkey group rather than just a toggle for all of them to become exclusive... Thanks for the info anyway though, I'm sure there's a lot of people out there who do want that setting enabled and aren't aware of it!
I'm glad this is here, you mentioned the palm on stream the other day and I'm like... I know nothing. Also play on laptop so we keeping the thumb on this one boys 😂
not kidding, actually very interesting video, i always wondered how you could do the ctrl grps so effortlessly if the movement requiered feels so ackward to me. well now i know; but my keyboard is less then ideal, cannot reach 8 without moving my hand big time
I actually only use 1-6 and reassigned F1-F4 as Ctrl Groups 7-10. I don't need to move my hand, works better for me, but I think you need really long fingers for that. Another solution would be to change settings so you can assign hotkeys 7-9 by doubling tapping. That way, you don't need to click Ctrl at the same time. This only works however if you aren't a maniac who clicks every key 100 times like me. Beastys hotkey seems rather small, doesn't it. Mine looks huge in comparison, so much longer. Maybe that's the first mistake, lol.
I agree I can’t use my pinky on control. Too much. I turned ALT into my control button and reach it with my thumb constantly easily. My Alt feels very close to my thumb from spacebar on my keyboard. Crazy idea that you use your palm though! I never would have thought of that.
This is so wierd I always change the mouse button 4 and 5 to control and shift instead of using my keyboard for my keys. This essentially unlocks 3 different keys for every key that my hand can reach.
Here is a question. I see often that you put a group of villagers into a control group, I'm assuming only temporarily. What do you use that for, and doesn't it mess up your army control groups when you do that? So, since you use 1 2 and 3 for units, does that mean that you don't use these temporary villager groups when all three groups are assigned to army? How does that work?
Ive seen him put damaged vills in a control group, I assume to make it faster or easier to move them to a different resource or pull them away faster on the next raid. But of course none of his control groups last for more than a couple seconds anyway so it's probably not that deep. Maybe it's in case he needs to do something else while deciding what to do with the vills, he can come back to them once he decides or changes his mind.
The double-clicking thing for selecting same unit type is really annoying in this game, because the units are small. A "Select all by current type on screen/map" hotkey like in CnC games would be really useful.
There are gamer mouses which have a lot of buttons on the side which you can use for your hotkeys. You click them with your thumb. So if you aren't self-satisfying yourself with your right while drinking beer with your left, you should be good.
i think a lot of great pro players don't play the way you play, so is all something more personal, not a rule of: way of being good against who don't play the way you play so they will be losers at the game
Dude use 3 fingers in 123, we use 3 fingers in WASD. RTS player vs normal gamer, palm in ctrl vs sticky in ctrl. i personally use wasd camera Q for force attack E stop zxcvb all type of units (mele ranged cavalry etc)
Call me absolutely bonkers pepega. But how do people handle panning the camera with mouse? Im a arrow user solely because i need to feel that i have a 100% controll over thr camera which i cant have with panning with mouse.
I have no clue what control groups are and I probably won't use them ever, but this is a fun video. Just know that in gold/plat, you don't need this at all :D
@@DrJeffreyTran yeah, yesterday I lost game because I forgot to make units in castle and I was floating like 6k resources. Was busy microing my 6 units XD
New level of respect for Beasty for sharing this with the community.
Making the house using the ring finger feels very thematic
This Game is 3 years old, and we still have no "Select all Traders" hotkey.
One thing to add: If you assigned some units to a group, and later wanted to unassign these units from this group - let's say group 2 - don't select any unit (just click anywhere on the map), then click Ctrl+2, so now 2 is not assigned to any group of units.
I just use exclusive control groups. Inclusive control groups the way Beasty is doing is too hard for my brain to process, it just confuses me all the time.
😮
i actually didnt know that thankyiu
I'm intrigued. Placing your hand like that and using your palm is smart! Thanks beasty.
Sadly, I can't do that because I have all the letters on the left side of assigned to some secondary role with Ctrl modifier, like Ctrl S = Select all Stables and so forth. I need to be able to press Ctrl Y, X, C. Impossible to do with palm resting on Ctrl.
Nice Ive literally been looking for hand placement guides
Whenever someone send beasty “You know this game has a good tutorial “ beasty can say “ I am the tutorial “
What hot keys do you use when, for example, you have 5 sheep at your TC and you select 10 vills, then you only command 1 or 2 of the vills to kill sheep from the 10 selected? Even if multiple are selected, you only command some of them to do a task. Thanks!
I am curious what everyone thinks about the hotkey stealing option in comparison to what Beasty showed in the video? The key difference being that with hotkey stealing you cannot have a unit on multiple hotkeys. I think the advantage is that you don't have to play the hotkey gymnastics to move units from group 1 to 2, etc. The downside seems to be that the results are much more precise, meaning each unit is only available on a single hotkey (this option is more susceptible to accidentally hitting the wrong hotkey).
It seems to me that both would be viable, just depends on personal preference.
This shit what I needed
OMG as a controller player I've waited for this all my life
I also use controller, but no way you can do this fast xD
Holy hell I really needed this.
omg thats actually so goated damn now i gotta practice
I’ve been waiting for this
The video we've been waiting for
fr tho
I have totally noticed the Sheep being added to control groups, always wondered why.
i also do the palm of hand on CTRL key, i was a longtime WoW player. most of people that play wow we all use the palm for ctrl because in WoW u have something like 100+ keybinds varying on the class u play, and oftentimes u have to do things like CTRL+SHIFt+ALT
like for example for some keybinds like that, u would press palm of hand on ctrl, thumb on alt, pinky on shift, your pinky and thumb kinda almost touching, and middle finger reaching for 123 or E R , and ring finger for Q. alternatively, lot of MMO players we keybind to mouse, but me i just rest the palm on ctrl. i also thought everybody does that too lol
I was looking for this exact video! I literally watched the micro and macro guides not even 6 hours ago and you said you would do a hotkey video but it seems it didn't end up getting made. I was about to come into the chat and ask about how to remove control groups quickly lmao
I ended up effectively trying to recreate the Core+ hotkey setup from SC2. Took me quite a while to rebind everything lol
Also man I really wish this game had control group stealing like SC2.
@DarkOracle363 It actually does have control group stealing! In the settings under the "controls" section there is an option called "Exclusive Control Group". If you turn that on it will disallow units being added to multiple control groups. I used that in SC2 and have adopted it here in AOE4. It's really nice!
@@orisitsteven I did actually find that recently, but it unfortunately creates a problem for me. For example I would use spearmen on hotkey 1, and then archers on hotkey 2, and then both blobs of army on hotkey 3. If I use exclusive mode I can't have them both on hotkey 3 AND their own group on 1 and 2.
I did end up leaving it on in the end and just trying to learn to have the higher APM it requires of sometimes performing commands 2-3 times, it just really feels like a compromise though.
The best scenario would be if it just had a steal to hotkey group option in the bindings like there is for create hotkey group and add to hotkey group rather than just a toggle for all of them to become exclusive...
Thanks for the info anyway though, I'm sure there's a lot of people out there who do want that setting enabled and aren't aware of it!
@DarkOracle363 Ah, good call. I hadn't considered that use case, but it makes a lot of sense.
I had always rested fingers on wasd. Now I see the fault of my ways.
For real
I played a lot of shooters before playing AOE4, so I do the same. WASD just feels more natural for me. Maybe I'm not conqueror yet because of if.
same for me because of FPS
I'm glad this is here, you mentioned the palm on stream the other day and I'm like... I know nothing. Also play on laptop so we keeping the thumb on this one boys 😂
Yes! Finally! ❤
این ویدیو بهترین ویدیوی آموزشی بیستیه 👌🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Almost everyone is used to pinky on Shift and Control bc fps or mmo games, but the palm one its not bad feels prety comfortable gonna try it
i use "wsad" to move the screen around the map XDD
This comment needs to be at the top.
I'm using Alt press or pressing mouse scroll button to move the screen. Perhaps i am the only one
You can reset control groups assigning it to nothing when you have deselected everything
not kidding, actually very interesting video, i always wondered how you could do the ctrl grps so effortlessly if the movement requiered feels so ackward to me. well now i know; but my keyboard is less then ideal, cannot reach 8 without moving my hand big time
I actually only use 1-6 and reassigned F1-F4 as Ctrl Groups 7-10. I don't need to move my hand, works better for me, but I think you need really long fingers for that. Another solution would be to change settings so you can assign hotkeys 7-9 by doubling tapping. That way, you don't need to click Ctrl at the same time. This only works however if you aren't a maniac who clicks every key 100 times like me. Beastys hotkey seems rather small, doesn't it. Mine looks huge in comparison, so much longer. Maybe that's the first mistake, lol.
I agree I can’t use my pinky on control. Too much. I turned ALT into my control button and reach it with my thumb constantly easily. My Alt feels very close to my thumb from spacebar on my keyboard. Crazy idea that you use your palm though! I never would have thought of that.
thats your ring figner boi 😂
Can you do a full settings video?
Okay so we learnt that we remove, delete or cancel control groups while Beasty literally kills them
This is so wierd I always change the mouse button 4 and 5 to control and shift instead of using my keyboard for my keys. This essentially unlocks 3 different keys for every key that my hand can reach.
thats actually insane lol
great video
Nice beast🅱️
You use the PALM?!?! Never thought of that, might give it a try
so what do you use spacebar for?
Was wondering how you did it coming from controller I found it pretty hard to not loose myself on the keys . Great content
Hi. How can we find an APM meter or calculator just like in your camera?
I press control with my thumb caused I have such a huge palm that it almost does not touch cntrl
Soooo this is why I’m gold😂
Palm gang stand up!
Here is a question. I see often that you put a group of villagers into a control group, I'm assuming only temporarily. What do you use that for, and doesn't it mess up your army control groups when you do that?
So, since you use 1 2 and 3 for units, does that mean that you don't use these temporary villager groups when all three groups are assigned to army? How does that work?
Ive seen him put damaged vills in a control group, I assume to make it faster or easier to move them to a different resource or pull them away faster on the next raid. But of course none of his control groups last for more than a couple seconds anyway so it's probably not that deep. Maybe it's in case he needs to do something else while deciding what to do with the vills, he can come back to them once he decides or changes his mind.
The double-clicking thing for selecting same unit type is really annoying in this game, because the units are small. A "Select all by current type on screen/map" hotkey like in CnC games would be really useful.
How to undo one unit from control group?
I wonder if other pros use their palm or if it's just a Beasty thing.
We making conq3+ with this one👍
You sir have taught all the tricks, I now can’t dominate the gold league any more😢
I've learned a lot ! now i can beat you bro !
KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! lets close the gap between gold and conq 3
My left hand is always occupied by a beer. Any tips for a mouse only player?
There are gamer mouses which have a lot of buttons on the side which you can use for your hotkeys. You click them with your thumb. So if you aren't self-satisfying yourself with your right while drinking beer with your left, you should be good.
Let’s go
I will jump from silver to conq with my palm
I used it and I went from conq to bronze 😂
@@stes5429 this sounds more accurate 😂
Yeah I'm never gonna change my muscle memory away from WASD. I'd rather stay Gold lmao
I Didn't do this. I'll try thanks
i think a lot of great pro players don't play the way you play, so is all something more personal, not a rule of: way of being good against who don't play the way you play so they will be losers at the game
revelation.
😵💫
Dude use 3 fingers in 123, we use 3 fingers in WASD. RTS player vs normal gamer, palm in ctrl vs sticky in ctrl. i personally use wasd camera Q for force attack E stop zxcvb all type of units (mele ranged cavalry etc)
And where are you one the ladder?
@just-dude sure
Step one: mash every input 5x times more than it's needed to 'warm up'
Step 2. Profit
How to use keyboard = press key. You're welcome
Call me absolutely bonkers pepega.
But how do people handle panning the camera with mouse?
Im a arrow user solely because i need to feel that i have a 100% controll over thr camera which i cant have with panning with mouse.
Usually I'm jumping around to units and buildings using hotkeys, but I do use the mouse too.
There's a camera setting which makes the camera movement with mouse much more responsive. Not sure what it's called though, but it's great.
Am I the only one who uses his pinky all game for Ctrl and Shit Modifier?
No
@@williamwolfe9335 Thank goodness.
you are super weird
I have no clue what control groups are and I probably won't use them ever, but this is a fun video. Just know that in gold/plat, you don't need this at all :D
Agreed. Im losing my matches because of bad scouting and poor macro/poor micro, lack of trade, lack of aggression etc etc LOL.
That is some plastic league level comment
@@CnePMa_HerPA no it's gold/plat :)
@@DrJeffreyTran yeah, yesterday I lost game because I forgot to make units in castle and I was floating like 6k resources. Was busy microing my 6 units XD
It's true, "Select all Cav, inf, archers" and "Select all military production" is all you need for Platinum.
beasty is so out of shape