Why Did We Fight Illidan In The Burning Crusade? - World of Warcraft
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- Why Did We "Kill" Illidan In The Burning Crusade? - World of Warcraft
Why did we fight Illidank back in BC? What did he do that made it to where we had no choice but to siege the Black Temple? In this vid, we are going to go over just that.
► Love WoW and want to represent your passion with some merch? This is the place to go: gamersdelivery.com?aff=19
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
My links:
►Support me on Patreon! www.patreon.co...
►Follow Me On Twitch!
/ profile
►Follow Me On Twitter!
/ bosshellscream
►Follow Me On Facebook!
/ 293951260798200
►WoW Armory:
us.battle.net/w...
►Want to See All of My Machinimas? Click Here!
• World of Warcraft Mach...
► Like Top 10s? Watch them all!
• Top 30, 10 and 5 Series
►Bored? Watch A Compilation of My Favorite Videos!
• Bored? Watch A Compila...
►Gold On Your Mind? Watch This!
• So You Want To Be Rich?
Music provided by Epidemic Sounds
(I do not own the music in this video.) No copyright infringement intended.
We fought illidan because we wanted those warglaives
The same reason Drizzt had to die.
Grumpy # drizzt do urden dude urden
Haha, nice comment. I always killed Drizzt. Give me to scimitars!
Yep pretty much
We also killed killed Thrall, the most diplomatic Warchief, because achievements.
You missed a major major point. Kil'jaeden contacted Illidan, Kael'thas, and Vashj at some point. Illidan closed his mind and feigned allegiance, but Kael'thas actually turned. KJ knew that Illidan was plotting against him, so he ordered Kael'thas (who Illidan thought was still his ally) to attack Shattrath in Illidan's name. Illidan was so busy with his own plans that he didn't realize this happened. But this is what turned the Naaru of Shattrath against him: a false flag operation.
In fact it was Illidan who was betrayed!
+Константин Королев They call me the betrayer, but it was I who was betrayed.
Kiljaeden is not known as Deciever for nothing u know
pretty sure that was during warcraft:The Frozen Throne.Kaelthas only succumbed to KJ's promises later on.
Weren't the Blood Elves that Kael'Thas the ones who laid down their arms in front of the gates and later became the Scyers? Unless there was more than one attack.
Crazy how we were actually the bad guys in BC and didn't even know it.
Forrest Perry hah that won't stop me from going on my DH and one shoting Illidan
Ye especially when we fought him up in the black temple, instead of calling us fools and telling us which of his plans we ruined by our reckless actions, he instead taunts us and even when we bring him down he just stuns us all and again taunts us...
Illidian being good guy is nothing more than new lore being contradiction of old lore because blizz wants old character back by telling us that illidian just wanted to be edgy.
Da Voodoo I'd honestly love to see if blizzard can hide this recon. Like being defeated was part of his plan as well that he refused to tell even his subordinates. That he was slowly draining magical essence from the crystals or something but I doubt it they even remember that far enough. Seeing the people love the character, which until legion, I thought I was the only one(maybe solely because of the "You are not prepared" line which again I did not know was a popular meme) since back then I didn't know much about the lore of the guy, I just knew he existed and I didn't kill him until Cara, still knowing nothing about him and him for some reason having a pleasure chamber in his raid. Guess even demon hunters need to enjoy from time to time.
Alejandro De Rienosa Not hard, theyll just have to pull menethil on him and say tiri... maiev brought strongest fighting force in existence to him.
Da Voodoo Eh i wouldn't call him a "good guy" so much as a dark hero. And besides he saved our asses at the dark portal which is what allowed us to enter outland and then we went and fucked all his shit up and wrecked his base and we were trying to kill him. the dude was fuckin pissed and besides even if his soldiers failed to stop us none of them were is strong as him so he was probably supremely confident in his ability to win and well past being willing to negotiate.
I fought Illidan because he had a red bar over his head. And phat loots.
@momo xmomox We Killed Kratos because we're stupid......
really phat lewt
We fight Illidan because a Naaru said we should kill him.
Now we're protecting him because a Naaru said he's the key to stopping the Legion.
Maybe we should fight the Naru
@@oussemamenthole2586we fought Muru in Sunwell.
Illidian did nothing wrong
uhm he raped maeiv
He is my favorite char back in WarCraft and still now in WoW. I said when I cried a bit on my first boss fight with him
"Illidan? Why? Isn't he like, supposed to be a protagonist fighting The Burning Legion? Blizzard better make up for this!"
"The Dank Justify The Memes..."
No indication of raping Maiev, torture does not equal rape. Also, she imprisoned him as well, she might've did him. Regardless, Illidan is that anti-hero that's always played the tragic hero well. Unfortunate that Tyrande did not see through enough to give him a chance.
im sorry but there are actually CLEAR indications of rape in the books. its not told explicitly, but thats only bc bliz has to keep their stuff at least KIND of appropriate for younger audiences. im really not saying that torture = rape (thats a weird comparison tbh), the fact just IS that while he held her captive, illidan raped maeiv. I really think its annoying how ppl try to deny this fact in order to just call maeiv a crazy "cunt" and shit like that while praising illidan as our fking saviour (although bliz is hinting that he'll b apprently:/). Honeslty though, i think its really weird that they had illidan rape maeiv if they were to make him a hero later on? like rape is just such and horrible act and, personally, i 100% WILL NOT forgive illdan for that, even if the naarus apparently dont care. I have a feeling that bliz hadnt planned to make illdan a hero when theu released that book where we learn about maeiv's rape:/ really wish that whole part of the story just wasnt there at all:(
Shantanu Zubayer agree, it just show how stupid they are and show how people stupid. Because people in real world make way worst mistakes that cause our world to death
In hindsight, maybe screaming "you do not understand!" Would've been better than "you are not prepared!"
Meant to say "the ends justify the means" smh. I wanna say I was drunk or something when I recorded this but I have no excuse ; /
I was going to comment something like "You should have gone all Machiavelli and said "The ends Justify the Means"". I had a pretty good Global 9 teacher.
lol.
so basically legion is our fault?
Josiah Northey ye
Hellscream sasuke vs illidan
I think Blizzard did a poor job of explaining why people were in the Outlands to
take down Illidan, especially if they never played Warcraft III.
crankysmurf back then it made sense cause WC3 wasn't too far off
Let's say not Canon but wow3 is canon
If people read quest texts instead of mindlessly rushing the game they'd known.
I knew it all along. I knew that Illidan was the good guy. I started playing WoW in TBC because I heard my friends talking about killing Illidan in a raid. I had played Warcraft 3 but didn't know anything about WoW at that time, so I asked them "Why the hell would you kill Illidan? He's the good guy." My friends laughed it off and told me Illidan was the bad guy. "Play the game and you'll see," they said. Now who was right all along huh?
Yeah,retcon was planned all along!Genius!
And because we did Legion is now happening. If we had just left Illidain be who knows? Maybe he really could have stopped the legion or at the very least hurt it enouph that it wouldn't be able to invade us.
There was no retcon, idiot, look at the story, there were plotholes, and now I am starting to believe they were left there intentionally to fill in, in Legion to put us nameless heroes down a peg.
Yeah no, that's bullshit. The only REAL reason why we killed Illidan was because they wanted to entertain the players with killing a big plot related character. There's no way that "the ignorance of the players" and Illidans redemption as a good guy was actually planned. They just made up stuff that was convenient to them back then, and now they made up stuff that's convenient to them today
Fecono Are you that stupid? Look at it all! Looking at it now, all the plotholes in BC can be explained away neatly as: We simply didn't know the full story because we never cared to know.
The true reason we attacked Illidan, the same reason we do anything in Wow, a chance for delicious loot
and then keep killing him every time he respawns till he drops both of the warglaives for a transmog that you thought would look good but it didnt really look good
Illidan's methods are not the most reasonable... but his cause is such an important and desperate battle, that I'd be personally willing to ignore everything that's wrong in his ways ...after all his methods are the only ones giving real results so far.
The combined forces of azeroth managed to get their leaders killed while defending against a legion invasion force ...while illidan's small elite team destroyed a homeworld of the legion, while having their own home base under the assault of the combined forces of azeroth
so true
Everyone else's peace and love plan has literally done nothing to prep for Legion.
Many of the class halls are doing very desperate stuff too, like DK raiding Tirion's resting place, everything is justified if it's against the legion, to say otherwise is naive.
Razor ツ
The DKs raiding Hope was a mistake. The pallies not giving up Tirions body was a bigger mistake.
That was a desperate and poor choice on the Death Knights part. But then again, they make the choices the living can't. And they accept the monsters they are, that they don't belong.
DreadPages I agree, and that's why I think that the atrocities caused by Illidan are somewhat justifiable. He's the one who saw the vision of the armies of the Legion, that's why he's the most afraid.
Agreed.
These explained videos are actually really fun to make so if you guys want any other topics in wow to be covered in more detail, please comment them below so I can get started on them!
explain why 'we' sieged Icecrown citadel its not like The Lich king was a bad guy and something he was just like Ilidian miss understood....poor Lichy
Hellscream
Why do death knights control the power of frost?
I understand the unholy and blood parts.. like DKs are pretty much plate wearing necromancers with swords. So why frost?
he did allready do that andre ware
I'm just going to point to the Lich King and Frostmourne, Sami.
explain the story with onyxia and why she disguise herself in SW !
Because the game needed a cool villain and Blizzard wasn't quite ready yet to give us Arthas.
Illidan has always been my favourite wow character, so to find out he was truly fighting for good, is pretty awesome
"Means justified the end" lol
meant it the other way lol
What if the means justified the means?
"The end justifies the means."
"The memes justifies the dank."
Nikolai Ilchev
so basicly, we attacked Illidan because we were idiots.
No. We attacked because Illidan was an idiot.
I'd say both are somewhat applicable.
John Håvard Valebrokk we attacked illidan because writers are bad, and now they just wanted him to be the good guy, so they made up bulls. like they always do. like deathwing flying around waiting for us to get dragonsoul, while he could destroy planet in 1 hour
Go through the story again, the plot in BC was shit, so many plotholes, all Legion is doing is filling them and actually putting some perspective on what happened.
Honestly, if Illidan had just sent SOMEONE to find us personally and explain the situation, things would've gone differently. So... Illidan's own fault we beat him up. As Gourengoo said: Illidan was an idiot.
Because Blizzard has no fucking clue what they were doing with anything that expansion. All the lore was a huge clusterfuck of retcons, questionable leaps in character, and made little sense.
YES! The video is nice, but I will agree with you more than with the video! You can't just keep saying "the end justifies the means" and keep doing horrible things, some even worse than what the Legion would do. Also, it didn't seem like that in the burning crusade. It said that Illidan has become insane after his defeat at the hands of Arthas and that he's doing horrible things and he should be stopped. I can't remember was Nagrand touched by his terrible plans, but they say that he made more fel orcs, even though there were already some fel orcs there.
They really changed Illidan's voice and personality, he talks differently than before. If he's good, why didn't he try to make an excuse that he was planning to attack the legion? No, he just tried to kill the attackers, that were in front of his face. Although he did that before, but he explained them only AFTER they got destroyed, back when he used the eye of Sargeras to destroy the frozen throne. Also, what was the point of that? Why would he accept to serve the 2nd in command of the burning legion? People could say stuff like "oh, he's a double agent, he planned that all along!", but guys, really? Illidan is power-hungry, he always was. There might have been a way to kill Tichondrius without becoming a demon, if it is actually necessary to become one when you take the skull's powers. Or maybe he just wanted to become a demon? And if Illidan did destroy the Lich King, the Scourge would be without any control, but I guess Blizzard didn't really bother with that thing before Wrath.
There's so many questions that you can ask and things that make no sense!
I guess Illidan is good now, because of time-travel? You know, Broxigar, Rhonin and 3rd guy, forgot his name, sorry. Rhonin was Illidan's master, I think, so he taught him to be "more good"?
Randjan while I see your points, let's agree to disagree, I like this turn of events since Illidans my favorite wow character. I personally like to think, there was no guarantee of a victor if he didn't take the skulls power. That resulted in him seeing what sargeras was truely plotting and plan accordingly. He did not have any knowledge about killing LK would release the scourge etc, but heck neither did we until we killed him. He just wanted to show kaeljaedan his supposed loyalty so he can work on his betrayal of the legion in private. However it was bogus he didn't open up his mouth and outright tell us he was going against legion and Adal didn't stop us either. I'd like to see if they address these situations or just go with their current pace. Still loving legion so far
I wrote this to someone else, but i'll just copy/paste it here. Since I think it explain the scourge part pretty well.
If i'm not mistaken, some of the lore in game say otherwise about the scourge going rampant. The reason why Sylvannas and the rest of the Forsaken was able to break free, and regain their mind was because the Lich King lost control of them; Due to Illidan first attempt to kill the Lich King. If the Lich King was to die, and lose control of the rest of the scourge. The majority of the scourge should actually regain their mind like the forsaken.
(SPOILER!)
I could be wrong about this, but if i'm not mistaken, somewhere in the Death Knight quest line during Legion; You see Arthas, the old Lich King, talking to you. Saying something about you are not free, and is unknowingly under Bolvar control. Something about getting trick into accepting the new Lich King. I mean, why would Bolvar would have needed to trick Darion into dying again, and be resurrected with the new Lich King power. It's obviously to make him the last horseman, but why not just tell Darion he is the last horseman. Because, he wanted to put the spell of domination and regain control of Darion again.
(SPOILER ENDED!)
What i'm basically saying, is that we were trick into believing that bull crap of there must always be a Lich King. We basically, unknowingly allowed the Lich King we were so eager to kill during wrath, to live; By allowing him to obtain a new body.
illidan was always positive character in the core, but no one is completely good or completely evil. he did some bad things to save his people and he was hungry for power, but he didnt want those powers to rule the world, but to save it. u are obviously an idiot who never player and doesnt now warcraft lore before wow, otherwise u would understand this
trump seems to be the solution, but its not that simple im afraid. its highly probable that both trump and clinton are working for the same boss
Next expansion we find out Arthas did nothing wrong and was seeking to empower the Scourge by outfitting us as its commanders for the purpose of fighting back against the Legion. Now that's a fourth horseman we could use!!
Nah, we will find out that malygos wanted to use eoe to kill deathwing and then we will find out that deathwing wanted old gods to kill sargeras, before sargeras tells us that he just wanted to stop titans from destroying azeroth using ultimate enemy of all that is living, the algalon...
the thing is... people who know about warcraft lore always knew illidan was "good" in a way, meaning his intentions, he always wanted to destroy the legion and this is why he is introduced again as a "good guy" now that the legion is invading, but he always wanted to destroy the legion and nothing else, i dont understand why everyone keeps saying it like it was some kind of mayor "plottwist" ...
Leo Merigliano What lore?? last time i checked in w3 he pretty much escaped prison, turned into demon with skull of guldan after which point tyrande and malfurion pretty much banished him and even in frozen throne he was still escapee with maiev hunting him.
Well shit, good guy doesnt just run to another world/country make his private army there, made of blood elves which stole draenei ship, naga who got monopoly on water and broken which are (ex)slaves while having his forces attack last standing city full of refugees and not saying a word about it.
Bc seems more like last stand for escaped crimelord than salvation army for incoming threat...
Nope . Illidan always wanted the true power.
He didn't want to destroy a legion because he is a good guy. He has to, cause he failed his task ( to destroy the lich king) which he got from Kil'jaeden. So, it's a personal thing...
lol what? Illidan has always been trying to acquire MORE power in order to destroy the legion. he hates the legion for War of the Ancients, for sargeras blinding him, for Tyrande always being at Risk cus of legion threat... He was imprisoned cus he stole 2 vials from the well of eternity and that was strictly forbidden. No1 cared to thank him for saving the night elves, cus those 2 vials actually created the new WoE on Mount Hyjal. Instead they put him into prison for 10k years, and when they Free him he destroys Skull of Guldan, kills Tichondrius and saves Felwood, at the cost of becoming an actual Demon. the ultimate sacrifice, and for that he is banished. Then he saves Tyrande's life again after Maiev lies to Malfurion about her death. and again they let him go to outland. (its funny how malfurion tells him that he should kill him but cus he saved tyrande he will let him go, while Illidan if wanted to, could kill Malfurion in 2 secs).
He doesnt want to destroy Legion cus he failed to kill the Lich King. he actually flees into outland to hide from Kil'jaeden while he rallies his troops to face him. and then comes shitty maiev with her vengeance to chase him down and lure the players into killing him.
Maiev Shadowsong might have actually cause more damage then Illidan did. A lot things Illidan did only happened because of Maiev's obession with him. After all if she had listened when told to stop or just think of something else for moment then a lot things would have never happened
She thought he had slaughtered an innocent fishing village and then he crushed some of her closest friends for 10000 years under rocks in the tomb of sargeras, no shit she hates him.
Gourengoo Illidan had far greater reasons to hate everyone and everything then Maiev. However he did not let that consume him in the way she did( also one of his main reason was not an assumption but a fact)
She gave up 10000 years to keep him imprisoned only to have her sisters murdered by her supposed leader to free him, he then teams up with demons and naga, seemingly murders a fishing village, steals an incredibly powerful demonic artifact and casts a spell that seems to be destroying the world. Why should she trust him or listen to anything he has to say?
Gourengoo With everything currently known about both Ilidan and Maiev as 2016. It very hard for me personally to feel sorry for Maiev who cause most of her suffering and pain because she refused to listen and/or think for a moment
Well then, Maiev has a reason to be pissed? Let us go down the list for Illidan:
-He was imprisoned for 10000 years for fighting back the Legion like anyone else.
-He was taken out and used by the woman he loved most to fight the Legion again, used like nothing more then a blade.
-He was then banished by his own brother.
-He was hunted down by Maiev, always stopping his attempts to help Azeroth (let us be honest, the whole world would have been better off without Northrend.)
-He was banished again for trying to save Azeroth to the Outlands.
-Again he tried to safe Azeroth, but was betrayed by Kael'thas and Akama.
-Attacked by the entirety of the Horde and Alliance because they are all a bunch of mindless sheep.
And STILL Illidan only cares to destroy the Legion, he has more reasons to be angry at us then Maiev has reasons to be angry at Illidan, heck I would understand if Illidan finally decided to truly go 'Betrayer' he has every reason too.
I already knew Illidan was innocent since the start
I know this is a late response but I don’t know if innocent is the right word. He did enslave beings.
I only "hoped" my favorite character in Dota with flame footsteps, was innocent
Actually he has always been evil, blizz just got lazy and retconned it sorry
And you killed him anyways, didn't you..
I know I'm late but innocent? LOL dude is literally a slave mongering warlord, hes not and has never been innocent.
Next what if video... "What if Illidan told us his plans"
XDDDDDD I couldn't help but laugh at this. Not the video itself, but the impression of Burning Crusade as a whole because of the video. After watching this, all I can say is that 'World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade' should change its name now. XD That section of the game really should be called "World of Warcraft: The Case of Mistaken Identity" at this point.
Kyle DeCamp World of Warcraft: A cataclysmic case of missunderstanding
World of Warcraft: We Are Idiots
World of SMOrcs: Kill everything that moves
And Collect loots.
So what would we call this? Stereotyping or Generalization? XD
Illidan: "I just want to be left alone!"
us: " Azeroth, f*%& ya! Here to save the mfk'n day, ya!"
"Are we the baddies?"
Hands down my favourite character in the lore
so what I'm getting is that illidan has poor communication skills and that led to everyone wanting to kill him...
It seems as though we were the bad guys all along in burning crusade...
that's why i have akama inactive in my classhall... you broken son of a bitch
I use his Soul fragment as my little bitch and I enjoy it!
We wanted to kill Illidan becouse we needed those cool warglaves! :D
And now everyone has a couple of those...Although not shiny green ones, but still nice warglaives.
Randjan mine is shining bright green :>
still rerolled a warlock and priest xD
Maybe you players should have asked Illidiot those war glaves first...?
Illidiot would have given you all a discount or maybe for free...?
Because even though he was against the Burning Legion, his personal demons also were destroying huge groups of people, he had taken over a holy temple, and he is STILL the most badass character in all of Warcraft.
Illidan was a bad guy in BC. “Submit to me and my plan that I won’t tell anyone else about or I’ll kill or enslave you” isn’t something most people will agree to willingly. I thought bringing him back to help fight the legion in Legion in was a good idea but saying he was “a good guy all along” just isn’t true. He was willing to do anything to stop the legion, which is great, it’s great that he was willing to give up everything to fight them. Self sacrifice is noble. Sacrificing others is evil.
We call that an "Anti-Hero".
@@xvoltztv2331 An anti hero is a good guy that doesnt follow traditional good guy tropes, but theyre still good
Illidan is not good, point blank, so he isnt an anti hero
Yeah i doubt anyone here can name a "Good" faction, the alliance, horde, legion, scourge all did warcrimes :)
Judging by how easily we destroyed Illidan's forces, he didn't stand a chance against the legion lol.
Kripperino Temporino but we didnt face demon hunters in BC tho
Illidan didn't give a shit about us. He wasn't even trying to fight us, he was just focused on the Legion. We weren't a concern for him until it was too late.
+SSJ5Gogetenks Yeah cause while he tried his best against Arthas he was soooo succesful....
Grumpy # he failed at killing arts yes, but he grew more powerful since then, and according to the lore, if illidan hadn't sent his DMs to Mardum when we were invading the temple, he would have easily dealt with us, who we faced was a drained Illidan
Arthas* not arts
i don't like how in burning crusade nothing hinted anything of this bulshit they invented for Legion, all the lore in burning crusade said that illidan lost his mind and even Vashj and Kael betrayed him for this reason. i don't know why blizzard likes to fuck with the past lore everytime, why can't they go on without fucking up the past? they did this just to revive Illidan because he died in Burning crusade, again, in order to justify the new Class demon hunters, it is just sad, i don't enjoy this type of storytelling, it is really cheap. Illidan fought vs Arthas before he was the Lich King and still lost, then Arthas as the Lich king died to 1 fucking paladin after he had consume countless souls making frostmourne even stronger, fucking blizzard logic. Now they want us to believe that the new Lich king is stronger even when he has done nothing and frostmourne is gone. and also how is blizzard coming back to a medieval/fantasy world after the spaceships and time traveling we have been exposed? i mean it doesn't feel like WoW anymore, they should just introduce terrans, zergs and protoss soon since swords, bows and arrows are quite stupid now when you need to fight on spaceships.
Samir Gómez Novelo I totally agree. It now looks like a season 10ish of some TV show: no more new ideas, so they revive and bring back old characters. I don't understand how people swallow it, really.
i dont know in my opinion the legion version of how illidan was back in bc is waaay more convincing. I always thought it be plain stupid to just say "yeah he lost his mind now kill him" while he was such an important character. And so im actually happy how they changed it.
Pushet illidan was dead and they revived him for the first time in burning crusade, they said that you never saw him dying even when it was super implicit he did since arthas almost cut him in half. in burning crusade they also killed him and he even says ti maieve that without him she is nothing since a hunter isnothing without a prey. and now they revive illidan a second time? i mean according to blizzard he has never died but lets be real, they are just bullshitting their way out just to justify the demon hunter class.
Samir Gómez Novelo
im not saying that the whole thing is good, im saying that their change in explanation is better than the previous one.
Simply because Illidan's story didn't really make sense in BC anyway, he wasn't that bad in the first place compared to some of the greater evils, and somehow, his hatred for demons completely subsided after WC3 and he just decides to chill on outland for the rest of his live? The burning crusade lore was just so vague that they had the chance to add this to it. If you do it believable and not too many retcons that destroy everything else that came prior, it's alright, but Illidan really hasn't had much importance in World of Warcraft lore anyway.
As someone who raided BT back then, this feels like a history lesson on a war you actually took part in.
I agree with you, my brother in arms
The real answer is: "He had loot and legendary warglaives! and some guy gave us a quest to do it as well"
I like this video, because throughout the WV history, I've always viewed Illidan as an hero willing to go the distance to stop the demon armies.
when my friends ask me why did we fight illidan in the burning crusade I tell them Everytime " bro the warglaives of azzinoth"
The end justifies the means?
No!
Maiev was blind through her hate, but Illidan was blind through his pride.
Like lot of times, he could easily made his position better, if he would have talked to us, but he thought, that he is the only one, who would be able to do, what he was doing and didn't cared about anything besides his plans.
Just to be clear: His Felorcs were hostile against Horde and Alliance. As so were his Naga.
The Broken he enslaved were still Draenei, whith which we were alliade.
The Dragonmaw under his rule attacked Aldor ans Seer. He sacrificed souls and had no regard for sacred places like Auchindoun.
Not to mention, that even Adal saw Illidan as a threat at the end
If he had just stoped for a moment, to think, if there might be another way, especialy, after he learned, that the legion knew about his plan, to attack Argus. He made a lot of mistakes and we had reason to dethrone him.
Would it have changed, if we knew about his plans?
Maybe. most likely, to be fair, but it wouldn't went without complaints about his methods.
There is a difference between "to make every sacrifice neccessary" and "to sacrificing everything".
Your argument on Auchindoun. The reason he attacked it was to gather souls for a font of power to lift demons of their legion magic addiction. Besides Illidan got results. Alliance and Horde only managed to get their leaders killed with their attempt. Illidan's small force managed to take over a planet and secure a key to the Legion homeworld.
Um what?! Horde and alliance beat back Kil Jaden. Jesus guys it's like you don't play this game
Also Archimonde. Several times. Oh and ragnaros a fire god. Oh and Yogg...ooh and C'thun. Oh and a Dragon God. Yea illidian and his raid did so much better by ambushing a single dread lord.
I meant in the Legion starting area. We lost so badly in the Broken Isles. I.E. The full force the Legion threw at us. Also, the video with the dreadlord is only a tiny part. In the demon hunter starting zone, you invade and take over a legion world which Illidan has done many times before, and steal the key to every legion homeworld, where demons can be fully killed. If we hadn't come and attacked the Black Temple, Illidan probably would have killed Kil'Jaeden on Argus, which would kill him permanetly.
shadowhunter0815 sorry, but in reality he was exactly only one person in entire Lor who could do it
I've always viewed Illidan as a hero of the night elves,if not the greatest hero
Who would sacrifice everything to destroy those who empowered him
No one but Illidan / what he did in the end :)
Hero, who kill(stfu, "sacrifice") people and destroying stuff he want to protect?
I hope youre kidnapped and enslaved then since you think thats heroic
if A'dal supported illadan, then why did it convince the scyers to defect
also the mag'har were pissed at illadan because many were abducted then forcibly transformed into slave warriors
finally illadan's murkblood warriors murdered orc and dreanei civilians just cause
Because the Scyers were with Kael who was defecting to the legion anyway the other two is most likey just Kargath doing whatever he wants since Illidan doesnt give a shit
Because every time Blizzard retcons something, they always forget to include the big picture and only focus on specific events.
Scott Robbins I think they covered what they needed to in the Illidan novel what they didn't cover you can just assume it was one of the racial generals doing whatever they feel like and Illidan not caring.
Cuz Blizz was and is shit with storyteling in mmo game, just making excuses for content(fo players) butchering the universe and story in many places. That's why wow is n atleast 80% not cannon to me
So its the word of all the Naaru against Xe'ra's ....
I'm sure it's a nice video, but:
the real reason was that the devs thought having Illidan as a raidboss (and designing this fight) would be "cool".
Just like a million other things in game that make no sense :P
blizzard literally turned illidan into itachi horrible story
weeed
Nagito Komaeda i don't even play wow the originals are the masterrace also you don't even know what a weeed is i am a weeb but he is a weeed
Nagito Komaeda weeed stands for weak evil english entrepreneur dawg and weeb stands for wobbly e-bay entertainer builder
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=weeb
Nagito Komaeda
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=weeed
I have not read all comments, so I would like to apologize in advance if this is mentioned.
Warcraft 3 is the main reason why I felt I had to attack him. In the Reign of Chaos Campaign he is contacted by Kil Jaeden to destroy the Lich King since their offensive for Azeroth is foiled and the Lich King has played them once again. Illidan starts off as an agent for the Burning Legion. What we see then is him coming back in The Frozen Throne. He attemps to melt the glaciers surrounding Icecrown with no heed to the cost to Azeroth. It is the sole reason Tyrande and Malfurion go after him. Maiev might have gone a bit overboard, but she was right to ask for their help in this case.
He goes to Outland to flee from Kil Jaeden's wrath. After taking the Black Temple he is again contacted by Kil Jaeden and guess what - he bolsters his forces for another attack on the Frozen Throne again serving Kil Jaeden.
Not that Arthas is not a villain, but up until that point (bear in mind I was no lore junkie at the time of WC3) he never made an attempt to destroy Azeroth. The last we see of Illidan before TBC is him being defeated in front of the Frozen Throne only to flee to Outland yet again to do god knows what. That was following two attempts to serve Kil Jaeden, the second in command of the Burning Legion. With one of those attempts almost leading to the dismemberment of Northrend.
I.E. the writers really, REALLY messed up back in BC and are finally fixing the myriad of mistakes made.
I imagine Illidan will want to have some words with us when he resurfaces in Legion
2000's Illidan: a lesson on blind passion and wasted potential
2010's Illidan: He dun do nutting wrong!
The reason for the Burning Crusade story: bad story writing.
Atleast Legion is doing quiet the good job on fixing the mistakes of The Burning Crusade.
No , BC was only great in gameplay . In storytelling , a lot of things did not make sense . There were a lot of plot holes .
Roshani Paudel I never knew what was going on when I played it tbh
+Roshani Paudel If someone deaerves a redemption story that was poor Kael'thas not Illidan. Such a wasted opportunity, I would take him as king of Silvermoon over that pathetic excuse of a leader Loth'Remar anyday...
exactly. I loved BC to bits, but the story was crap,and they butchered every single wc3 character I liked :(
I pointed out in the story forums, where a gazillion of butthurt kids is whining about the new story, that Legion is merely correcting the former mistakes.
That just made them whiny little kids even more salty , they downvoted me into oblivion :D
there is only one character that deserves a redemption story and thats illidan . kael thas doesnt need a redemption story , he was always a good guy who later got corrupt . he is still respected in quel thalas .
Watching this with captions makes it three times more interesting xD Akama = "a comma" Illidan = 11 xDD
Maiev = "my F" lol
Retcons. Retcons. Retcons.
What I enjoyed most about tbc is that we were the bad guys but we just did not know it at the time
Always knew that Illidan is cool guy.like that he returned
he had to return, he was terribly misused as a character in tbc. not even the final boss of the expansion!
Bolek Lolek Arthas was misused as well then. Let's revive him! I'm sure the Lich King was actually the good guy, we simply did not understand him.
Геннадий Харитонов Nah,I dont think that murdering thousands of people and elves,destroying kingdoms and rising army of dead can be good for anyone
Геннадий Харитонов Well Lich King is still alive, in the form of Bolvar, but Arthas is dead. And yeah, they actually could come up with some sort of redemption story for him. But my point was, Illidan was reduced to a minor villain, and he deserved so much more. Luckily, they are doing him justice in Legion.
I cannot believe the number of people who feel bad that Illidan was stopped. Since when does supporting a despot ever end well? I know that Blizzard is trying to make out that he is now some antihero, but really he is not. What he is, is a hot-headed, horrible strategist with massive, MASSIVE communication problems. Did I emphasize the ~massive~ enough? Look at the cutscene we saw in Legion where he sacrifices his people so he can survive. If he had only asked them, if it were a willing sacrifice? Okay, great! Sad, but great. Yet no. Nope, they all died at his decision, and Then he whined that no one understood the sacrifice ~he~ had made. What dude, you survived! Then later in Outland, he could have very well asked "hey people, I really need your help!" But no, he once again forced a group to have no control of their lives, this time as slaves. This video is claiming he would have "saved" worlds, but if you look at his track record and the amount of people he was sacrificing, how soon until he was taking over worlds as a despot, until one day he proclaimed "Look Tyrande, I sacrificed all these worlds to the Legion! Billions of lives snuffed out so I could save you - I mean Azeroth!" I'll follow this questline to its end, but I will never fall for this fallacy that he is some sort of hero.
the book version of this sacrifice is much more convincing. Illidan was always an antihero, its just that the WoW lore wanted him to be a bad guy endboss for burning crusade nothing more. Later on they kinda regret that they now killed of the most interesting characters of the original Warcraft series.
Ah, that is a point, I have not read that book. I will have to go find that somewhere. However, his portrayal so far, with the whole 'ends justify the means, is pretty damning. But based solely on the in-game explanation I feel there is a big plot point missing from between the time he got his eyes burned out and his fall in Outland.
Firestormlover
y it was pretty clear in the books that everything he does was partly to safe his people but also to gain more power. He felt the power of those demons ( especially lords like kiljaeden and archimonde ) and realized that no power on azeroth is enough to defend against them
He was an anti-hero in WC3, and despite not being known, he still was one in BC. He was always against the Legion and is one of the few who has actually dealt a real blow against them. He was just days away from destroying the Legion for good when he was 'killed' on top of the Black Temple.
Everything he did made sense, but the heroes from Azeroth had no idea why he was doing what he was doing. From the outside his antics seemed sinister as hell. Blood Orcs and demons on his side etc. Kael'Thas aiding the legion.
Illidan is the kind of anti-hero who would do everything it takes. Even use the most evil darkest magic to fight the Legion.
I keep trying to make a comment that makes sense of this, but I can't. Because the fact that we went after Illidan makes no sense.
The only thing I can justify here is Maiev's reasoning - she did the wrong thing even if it was for the right reasons... even if those reasons were simply falsehoods that she herself believed in.
Illidan on the other hand, wasn't doing anything wrong, yet Blizzard simply wrote everything that way...
I think BC has a really fucking weird story.
WE DID IT TO GET THE EPIX!!!
and the Warglavex
8:53 oh damn, Tyrande was actually pretty once.
"What is this, what have you done? You'll ruin everything!"
You did not explain why did Illidan's forces attacked Shatrah city which in turn caused a reprisal against him.
Illidan had at least two chances to directly speak to the player. He used both of those chances to show complete hostility instead of even trying to say that we should not be fighting each other.
Is he a Tsudere or what?
A.) The attack was never specifically said to be from Illidan, the Scryers were under orders of Kael'thas who framed Illidan while defecting to the Legion.
B.) Illidan was never the one to trust others except for those he put into his circle, which is understandable seeing how betrayal is something he knows personally, first his own brother, then Tyrande, then Akama, then Kael'thas. The dude was betrayed by everybody, so of course he didn't care to explain it to us anymore.
Sky Chaser
Or we can just say that the story of TBC was badly written and rushed, turning one of the most interesting characters in warcraft into an one dimensional villain.
octapusxft No, there were plotholes and seeing how they are filling every single one in Legion, I am starting to believe that was deliberate, because those plotholes can be excused with: We only ever saw it from our point of view: Illidan being a one-dimensional villain.
Then why were all them demons "Red agressive" and not "Yellow neutral" on my screen lol
Bullshit like this is the reason why i'm not gonna buy or play the new expansion.
Well i'll feel bad about killing him next week now i guess, maybe i should intentionally keep wipeing the raid! (playing on a tbc server)
Please do XD
10/10 video bruh, I've always hated Maiev for how blind she was.
Illidan has always used "the ends justify the means" as an excuse to fuck shit up and gain more power for himself. He is a deeply flawed character and Xe'ra is a moron (if not a traitor, I really hope the Sargeras=Xe'ra theory holds up because guilting the players for putting an end to a genocidal slavemaster is shitty writing otherwise.) There's a reason he's called the Betrayer. Look at Illidan's history and you will see that he's not a good person, no matter what he claims his end goals may be...
+Ragen Crimson I don't want to break your fantasy bubble but so far Azeroth had survived and beat all the vilains but doing exactly the opposite than Illidan. Instead of the end justify the means pathetic excuse, we followed the in unity there is strenght policy.
I think Maiev had a yandere(crazed sometimes delusional girlfriend) thing going on with Illidan when he supposedly was caught holding some other girls hand or something( in reality he was just buying groceries and the storekeepers hands touched for a second when she gave him a plastic bag or some eco-friendly bag in night elf cases) and from then on she has been on his case ever since
If Illidan ended up with tyrande, Maiev would have probably been the burning crusades final boss where we have to save Illidan from ending up in bdsm scene like that girl from 50 shades of grey
yeah i always got a huge yandere vibe from maiev xD
Soooooo..... We werent prepared?:)
Looking back at WOW Legion and WOW The Burning Crusade! 🤔
I kinda feel like we were being assholes for attacking Illidan, all he was trying to do is stop the Burning Legion from rampaging on other worlds...now I just feel bad. 😔
To me, most of the lore regarding Illidan in TBC is a write-off, because quite literally the only reason he's a raid boss was "We ran out of cool bosses, and we need this expansion to have something the players would want... Oh hey, there's Illidan and his allies just chilling in Outland, let's use those and cash in on Warcraft 3 fans too!".
Something's been bothering me with how Blizzard is handling their redemption stories. Save for the Legion, Void Lords, and the Old Gods, there seem to be no true malignant forces.
Illidan is suddenly written to be this messiah type. Suddenly, all of his actions that teetered the grey moral line were for some higher purpose.
I do understand that everything he did was to bolster his forces against the Legion. In fact, since Warcraft 3, his role as some kind of messiah was built up pretty well.
But do understand that at the time all we knew was that Illidan was a mad dog that had to be put down.
I don't just have a problem with Illidan. Suddenly even Sargeras has some higher calling against some form of evil.
I have this itching feeling that these "Void Lords" were written in just to be a crutch for Sargeras' motivation. What I mean is, at first he was supposed to be this Satan-type character. Someone truly malignant; someone to root against.
Now he's suddenly fighting back against some greater evil.
Why do I get this feeling that, if we do end up fighting Sargeras in some massive raid, we end up sparing him because "Ooh, I see the light now. I will help you fight back against the Void Lords."
What's next, the Void Lords were trying to snuff out the light only to prevent Super Demon Hitler from waking up?
I got the Illidan story but if what your saying about Sargeras is true, this is beyond fucked up....
Sargeras is some sort of Lucifer....
funny you say that.
You aware that Lucifer means "Lightbringer" and was originally identified with the planet (and love goddess) Venus?
That all of the different names for "the devil" were different pagan deities, none of them evil?
Real life lore is totally fcked up, I tell you.
Faewaterspirit I know all of that but I also know from occult sources that such a being indeed exists, wheter his name is that or another I do not know....
Faewaterspirit and before you jump to conclusions. NO, AM I NOT A FUCKING CHRISTiAN!!!
Just interested in misunderstood&fringe topics...
Haven't played wow since pandafaggier
Always viewed Illidan as a hero
Nah, man.
You see, Outland needed some freedom and democracy.
Cenarius : Illidan my son, you have great future ahead of you ; what will you choose:
1. Fight with the light uniting all heroes of azeroth against the demon armies and tell them of your vision and plan or
2. Bask yourself in demon power, help the demons with most of their invading plan and be responsible for bringing the demons back, then realize you fucked up and start to enslave new worlds to dictate how they will fight because you think that only YOU are smart enough to be in full dictatorship.
Illidan : .... :/... >:)
Also Adal logic:
Maiev: plis help, need kill Illidan because he helped demons invade azeroth and betrayed and slaughtered my people?
Adal : Nope. Illidan is cool and the good guy.
Heroes of Azeroth: plis help, need kill Illidan for phat lewt ?
Adal : Sure, you will find allies already sieging the temple now go kill that fucker and get his glaives, lmao !
Okay but WHY were we in Outland? What reason did the Alliance and the Horde have to venture there? It still makes no sense.
Don't try to make sense out of TBC lore
Or WoW lore as a whole
thanks a lot man, so it was all a big mistake :/
World of Warcraft: The Burning- Whoops
good guy players... goes to another world to kill its natives
This is such crap. So many retcons it's pathetic. We fought Illidan because he went insane after Arthas wrecked him at Icecrown. Legion lore is so shit. This "everyone except Illidan was wrong" crap needs to stop.
Nah, he just wanted to be edgy and instead of telling anyone what he wants to do he made a harem in his temple so he can stop legion like a rebellious teenager he is.
Da Voodoo Our Chosen One. /vomit
thanks a lot man, so it was all a big mistake :/
Woa woa woa woa woa, Hellscream channel? I'm pretty sure i heard this exact voice on someone elses channel and i'm sure his youtube channel wasn't Hellscream. Can someone clear the air?
more illidan quests will come out in 7.1 right?
btw GEAR IS NOT REPAIRD!!
i hope so
Yeah, there will. Blizzard announced it on the 'World Of Warcraft' channel in the 7.1 'Survival' Guide.
@Yahel Cohen It wont be for awhile till mid expansion, like WoD
Or he was bad guy in BC but they tweaked his story in legion...
Filip Bošanský "tweaked" being very very subjective.
By that logic he was a anti hero that they tweaked into a bad guy in BC
Nope.Even in wc3 they hinted this.But we didn't give a damn.Blizzard sometimes plans ahead and sometimes they forget about the lore.
I mean... did we even listen to Illidan's side of the story? we just stormed in and killed everyone.
The other day, i did that questline where you get the illidari tabards. Illidan talks to you a bit during that. His monologue is textbook mustache-twirling villain.
Yep, definitely retconned and tweaked. And now we're the assholes...
Thx Blizzard.
And thus, we, the "heroes", struck down one of the greatest threats the Burning Legion had ever faced.
It was possible Kil'Jaeden played the Azerothians against Illidan, knowing it would be easier than taking them both on, and potentially ridding himself of the threat Illidan posed
We fought illidan because HE WAS BAD and an endboss to start with.
Then blizzard messed up their game with WoD and were clueless What they were gonna do, so they ended up listening to the community, who were crying for illidan and demon hunter classes.
The better question would be: Why Did they make illidan a good guy. And the answer to that is that it was blizzard's plan B if their game would eventually Suck and lose 50% of their subscribers.
There was only one thing that Illidan could have said for Azeroth to understand him. Only one thing that he could've done for Maeiv to spare him. Only one name.
"Martha."
Rizerr96 WHY DIS YOU SAID THAT NAME.
I only respekt illidan.
Do a video on Garrosh next. I think he wasnt as bad as people think.
hirumaredx you have done one yourself, u rly like garrosh dont you?after watching your video i agreed in a lot of decisions he made
He was a very terrible person. Just unfortunately the writers kept back tracking on what they wanted to do with him, whether it be making him noble or total d-bag. which is why 1 minute he is defending the night elves sanctuary and the next he is trying to commit genocide. Was just poor writing.
You're right, he was even worse
+Scott Sutton I can't understand how people thinks that a leader who commits genocides DURING the period of war is bad. USA dropped 2 atomic bombs on a already dead Japan (Germany was defeated, so as Italy). Nobody questioned this decision since it was justified by the elimination of Nazis. BUT, we still blame Garrosh for bombing Theramore. This is stupid. He is no different that Jaina trying to destroy Orgrimmar. Why she was not sent to trial after that. I dont think that his crimes are "THAT" bad. They were all justified by the means of war and throughout the entire history, leaders we loved and worshiped did exactly what he did for traitors and enemies.
Mohammed Ayoub NEGGAZ
Where to start let's start with the World War II reference United States dropped bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki because of that point Japan had not surrendered thus the only alternative would have been a ground war that would have been even more costly in lives and resources.
The United States also flew several missions dropping warnings written in Japanese of the Cities warning them of the attack to come.
Also Japan attacked United States first a sneak attack on Pearl Harbor.
Garrosh attacked a city unprovoked and without warning annihilating it with a bomb the same leader who is always talking about having honor showed none.
Your comparison is very flawed
So we were the bad guys in BC, stopping a good guy without knowing?! NANI???!!! Well I guess in Legion we all said: Oops... But now Illidan has his glory now :p At the Seat of the Pantheon tormenting Sargeras lol.
Illidan is an annoying edgelord... but him enslaving a demonhunter to create fel orcs wasnt bad. I mean.. Its a demon and part of the burning crusade, he deserved much worse, and the orcs were down with it. Him ripping Akama's soul apart and enslaving him and his tribe... He made a promise to them and was willing to keep it and they backstabbed him. Instead of wasting the resource by killing them (as what makes sense for betrayers, when at war), he tried to think up a way to get what he wants while still giving them a way out at the end.
The only messed up think he did was trying to strong arm all the races of outland into joining him, through threat of death via dehydration.
The dumbest thing he did (while still being understandable) was depriving everyone of information, when many of them (us) would have been on his side, if he just gave us some info. You cant gain allies, while being so shady. Expecting us to do what he wants, with no knowledge of what he wants lol.
And anyone who knows Maiev should know her tunnel vision and selfishness makes her more of a problem than anything, unless your goals completely align with hers.
But one thing I admire about Illidan is that he has a chin, nobody in WoW has a weak chin, even the gnomes.
Shame leafy doesn't
Oscar Cool yes, you are totally right, he should leaf the other races of Azeroth alone with that chin
You'd love James Ellsworth
weird chin not exactly weak
Curse of Leafy: Increases damage taken from the Shouryuuken or Stone Cold Stunner by 1000%. Lasts until death.
#illidandidnothingwrong
Short version: For his glaives
There are quests in WoW (all over it) that hint us that not everything is what it looks like. In Darkshire we help the old man just to know we brought the demise over the town. In (yeah i know it's another expansion) wotlk we kill one of cultist agents just to reveal she was plotting against cult all the time. We are the baddies of WoW almost in every story but it's not as clear as it would seem, for the plot purpose. Plus the fucking Alliance is just producing it's archenemies like morons....
Illidan being the bad guy has always just been bad lore on Blizz part during BC development. They just needed a baddie for us to kill and made him a raid boss. Because admittedly, he's a badass raid boss. Those that played Warcraft 3 would of realized it made little sense how he's now bad. Now Kael's loyalists have always been sketchy and helps paint him as bad by association.
Illidan for president #2020
His ways were just as cruel as any other villain. Enslaving races, murdering the natives (Draenei/Mag'har) kidnapping to bolster his army and blackmailing. He was indeed a tyrant, doing evil for the greater good. Sure he was making progress but at the end of the day, nobody, even if they were working with him, they could not simply tolerate that. We've dealt with 2 Legion invasions (3rd one now), none of them required what Illidan did, nor does this one requires bad things(those that I mentioned above) to happen in order to succeed. In fact, I'm in favor of the army of the Light more than the Illidari. And also, this an exemple of inappropriate communication between factions/guilds/orders. That was indeed Illidan's downfall.
P.S: I prefer Illidan as a chaotic neutral anti-hero, not a white knight trying to save the world and that everything he does is right. In fact the reason why he's doing it in the first place is because of Tyrande, not because of Azeroth. Blizzard is doing a terrible job at trying to make him be the next "Green Jesus".
The reason is that we have only defended azeroth from legion and always waited for their next invasion . Talking about illidan , he wanted to destroy the legion by attacking their homeland .
We've dealt with 'two' with the help of the Illidari, Demon Hunters.
Illidan's plan was hinder their resources and armied, if he succeeded then there may have not even been ANY invasions so far.
Wtf are you on about 'doing it for Tyrande' sure it initially was until he GOT A VISION OF THE FUTURE, countless Legion armies marching towards Azeroth.
Don't pull facts out of your ass just because you don't know the lore, it's pathetic friend.
Also don't pull this pussy shit where you think we can win against the Legion with love and peace, and cooperation. Doesn't work that way. See: Ebon Blade pissing off everyone, (Raiding tirion's resting place) to make horsemen against the burning legion.
Razor ツ He wouldn't succeeded regardless. His army got decimated from facing Arthas broken Scourge alone. Attacking Argus with Kil'Jaeden and Archimonde and potentially Sargeras pretty much suicide.
If you are tft , illidan did not have any demon hunters and neither he had some fel orcs . The main reason illidan lost to arthas was he was overconfident .
Sargares is not in argus , it has never been stated that he is in argus . Illidan planned to attack argus . If he did , it would have given a terrible blow to the legion but it would not have destroyed argus neither kill a lot of demons . I am 100% sure that illidan and all his army would have died .
This is the reason why you call it bad writing . Pathetic . And also kil jaden is no fool .
***** Yep I totally pulled the Tyrande fact out of my ass. Please get the hell out of here if you think that Illidan is a white knight of Azeroth in disguise lmao (As Blizzard is trying to depict him by horrible "plot holes fill")
And no, DH didn't contribute that much to the defeat of the Legion. What Illidan did in the 3rd war was defeating Tichondrius and doing other shenanigans while the Alliance, Horde and Night Elves actually took the Legion force full head on. He absorbed the skull of gul'dan, which i give him props for that, but he was in no way completely connected with the victory of the 3rd war. As for the war of the Ancients, Compar the deeds of jarod, Malfurion and hell, even Borxigar if we're speaking of alternate timelines to Illidan. A double agent, thirsty with power, obviously misunderstood, which only contributed to his 10,000 years punishment (I know he did something in both of these wars, but it's overshadowed by its 'true heroes' if you wanna call it)
Also I never said we could defeat with unicorns and rainbows. I said we should do it as we always did. And what's your point with the Ebon Blade? Sure they are pissing off everyone but at the end of the day they actually justify it and hell, even help out the Paladin players in their hidden artifact quest and also they are not stealing resources from the world to enslave races or any shit like that
Also Roshani Paudel, completely agreed, but I don't really think he would be able to ever even match Sargeras, but he would put quite a fight tho.
like I said 5 years ago "Malfurion is the biggest problem/threat to defeat Legion". Malfurion made so many mistakes and the biggest hero of Warcraft Lor is Illidan
Only 14 year olds who only started playing Legion think Illidan is a hero.
if you actually played the game from the beginning, or even Warcraft, you'd realize how dumb that statement is
Speaking as a lore friendly player: when looking at the true threat that is the legion, Illidan's way is understandable. However, I believe that Maiev is a liability. Her anger causes more bad than good. I think it's amazing she hasn't been corrupted yet.
This is interesting but sadly all ret-con bullshit. Illidan would have attacked and taken over Azeroth once the legion were defeated/pushed back. He'd have let the alliance/Horse waste it resources fighting the Legion then struck. They re-made the story so it fits with the new demon hunter class origins. Illidan was a seriously bad geezer in Burning Legion.
Reason number 1: Warglaive of Azzinoth
well, we are douchebags, shame on us!
Let's be honest with ourselves. This was before WoW really had anything close to a coherent story line, and Illidan was in Outland, unfriendly to either faction, and had loot we wanted. All this stuff afterwards is hasty retconning to cover the lack of actual in-game justification.
Exactly. And it's shoved in our face now as if we're the bad guys.
I clearly recall Illidan saying he'd "Slaughter Akama and his malformed brethren". That doesn't sound like he was a decent guy in any way.
Also Blizzard can't write for shit anymore.
Well... Yes... In part... The stuff with Akama's revolt, the shade, the naarus helping in the end... It was already present in BC in the attunement questline leading to the temple, so it wasn't completely out of nothing. That being said they still retconed quite a few things, starting with the fact that Illidan wasn't killed.
Illidan is probably the most tragical character in all Azeroth universe. All he did was always for the good of his people and the good of Azeroth, and for that he was cast away and hated. Did that stop him? No he kept on fighting and in the end he died for it. How Ironic that in the end Tyrande told him that "To walk this path requires sacrifice". Illidan sacrified everything, even him self.
With the virtuous we would have lost. He was the best because he made the hard decisions the virtuous never could. The strongest man held the heaviest burden. Much love for Illidan! 🤌