@@rayenamarir5764 no, that's your logic, lumping all people of an ethnic group in together. by my logic dutch people are not responsible for the actions of the nazis, because even though they are ethnically much the same as germans, they had nothing to do with those actions. likewise by my logic, ngai tahu or other iwi maori had nothing to do with the actions of ngati mutunga/ngati tama warriors are therefore not responsible for those actions. so who do you think should apologise for events of nearly 200 years ago? who should apologise for the actions of the nazis? do you understand?
The irony of saying dont blame all Maori, yet globally white people are blamed for slavery in general when everyone did it. People like objects could be traded. Everyone alive today needs to appreciate the long life and opportunity we all have compared to our ancestors and stop claiming we are owed something because of what one dead group did to another dead group. We are a new group, new souls, not them.
Because yall were at fault please tell me when any indigenous nation was a superpower and started voyaging to others lands and bringing diseases to them along with invasive pest ill wait.
As long as we repel the repetition of such practices and help amend the consequences of this past, decreasing inequality, I'm good with what you propose. However, that's not what we see today. What we see it's the resurgence of racist discourse all over the world. Especially in rich and "developed" countries, which should be leading the banning of racism, inequality, famine, war and so on. Especially because for many years they declared themselves as civilized and advanced nations. Every advanced and civilized culture should understand that there should exist greater goals rather than tribal conflict and annihilation. Perhaps the Mariori were this advanced group of people, just too ahead of their time.
@@LeafarR1657 i'm not convinced that we say any resurgence in racism or racist discourse. what does that look like? in developed countries everyone knows race doesn't make people superior or inferior, and laws protect people against discrimination by ethnicity.
I think the difference between white people and Maori is that we didn't stay, also ngati mutunga and ngati tama were commissioned by the colonial govt - so it only came about bc of pakeha. Also there were two branches of moriori, the one brother went to te Urewera on the east coast of the north island. From there we branched out and intermingled W more recent waves of Maori. The other brother settled on rekohu the chatams and never left. The mainland moriori are still very much present and alive, and so are the rekohu moriori. So perhaps pakeha can get on a high horse about the moriori slaughter by nagti mutunga and ngati tama when they go back to where they come from. Then they can cast stones. Pakeha have stayed firm in the places they colonised, ngati mutunga and ngati tama were only commissioned by the govt of the time to explore if the chatams or rekohu were fit for European settlement. It wasn't. They decided to turn it into a prison for east coast Maori (at the time unbeknownst to pakeha, these people were actually moriori.) during the rebel wars, which really the intent of that was to take the interior (waikaremoana) so the east coast could be more open for European settlement.
The ability to look and listen to the information given is very heartfelt . Respect to all people who are hunting and trying to find the truth about the ancestors, historians have nothing much but bones and dust to wipe abrush , much Aroha (love)and respect to all Maori and Mori ori people ❤
Maori have NEVER disputed the claim that mori ori were here first infact its a ghosts argument that has been designed to further invoke a phony contridiction towards the Maori people hence giving the colonizer a justified stand point to being invaders here an continuing to portray there disguisting outlook on human beings as a whole...people have to remember Maori did not loose the battles in being colonized this disguisting act here is what the invaders have to resort to to combat the war theyre obviously still fighting...slander at the heart of a people
@@Mr_Riffman08You need to use more positive words and have optimism about your self. Nobody likes the hate in your talk. You can still part a message to people in a uplifting manner. ✨️
@@senseisaitama8684 yep agreed I made the mistake of assuming this here was another attempt at slandering my peoples History without even watching it,never in a million years would I actually think there was anybody out there trying to reverse the I'll informed education bred against my people in the world I totally jumped the gun and went wild with it.. I'm man enough to admit it tho and If anybody paid attention to how dispicable this colonization truely is I'm sure someone out there could see past the mistakes and understand the hateful manner..not pretty but does colonialism have a pretty side?
@@Mr_Riffman08 couldn't help yourself could ya? Blah blah blah colonization blah! What did Maori do before Europeans arrived here? The stronger factions "COLONIZED" the weaker factions. Just as all other factions of human beings from around the world do. Unfortunately it's in all humans nature. Colonize that.
NZ history was basically glossed over at NZ schools even in the 70s and 80s. And what was taught was totally inadequate and grossly inaccurate. But unfortunately even this revised history is politically charged
All history is politically charged. The version you correctly say was inadequate and inaccurate was the product of a much more politically driven process. Spend a bit of time looking into modern historical method development since 1900 to see how academia has tried to reduce bias of various forms.
@@user-uy6uc5ey5q My schooling was in the 1950s, 60s plus I had the "schooling" from family and relatives that went back a very long way, essentially to the 1820s for Pakeha, longer for Maori family. I was brought up knowing Te Reo and customs. I still see little wrong with it overall and if you are properly "schooled" you consider multiple points of view and make your own conclusions, after doing your own reading and questioning. I once argued with the Head of my High School's Science Department over a statement that didn't seem reasonable. I asked my dad, he said prove it in a 3 month experiment aided by his colleagues in NZ's best agricultural research establishment who gave me everything necessary to do so. I did. I proved her statement wrong and verified by NZ's best but realistically, I spent 3 months of effort to prove she was wrong but not by very much! I have learnt many things in life, the first is that you cannot change the past, only learn lessons. Second, I recall the "last Moriori" either by newspaper, radio, Newsreel or TV. I can't recall the name, just the speech and his image. A sad thing. Maybe his name was Solomon? As child, I remember his anguish, a last survivor, his people brutalised and dead, the culture gone. The sadness of a man. Third, the English were terrible as imperialistic power in the 1800s but the Maori were no better. Maori were probably worse to other Maori in tribal aggression that the English settlers were but yes, when the Crown went to war, well it was war of conquest, Might is Right and often the Crown armed Maori to subdue other Maori. Fourth, NZ Academia is quite sick, lacking perspective, heavily, heavily influenced and captured by a restricted narrative. Essentially biased and uncritical, an industry of self-serving nonsense crafted to perpetuate a mis-truth equally as bad as the English Crown did 100 years ago that was also mindless, wrongful propaganda. This is inevitable when there is no accountability and politics prevail. Personal note, I worked in NZ Tertiary Education funding and read or listened to advocacy statements of intent, queried some points that didn't seem right, had my very respected, authoritive Maori co-worker launch into a "highly critical analysis" that left no doubt that they were talking absolute nonsense. Not her actually dismissive words that she used! Personal note2, I was brought up to be analytical, scientific, consider everything, to question, frequently to swap sides to articulate the opposition's view. I simply reject anyone "telling" me what the truth is. I prefer facts. Lastly, WTF is it that Kiwis demand to use the same flag as Aussies! NZ is no longer a "Protectorate" administered by NSW. Kiwis rejected Australian Commonwealth Statehood in 1901 essentially because NZ was proudly bi-cultural while Australia denied "black" indigenous Aussies the Vote, was basically racist! NZ needs its own flag, the English Crown is nothing but a nod to the past. Everyone in the World knows NZ as the little country with a big voice and a black flag, Enough said!
The truth is the moaris treated the Moriori very badly and wiped them out. All we are getting now is excuses even to the extent we Whites are responsible for the genocide of the Moriori. There needs to be an apology and compensation from the Taranaki moaris tribes for the carnage they caused on the Chathams.
first, the word is "Māori". That's the correct spelling in English, let alone in Te Reo. Second everyone with Moriori descent also has either Ngāti Tama, Ngāti Mutunga or Ngāti Toa (who aren't technically a Taranaki iwi by the way) blood in them as well and the two communities like everyone on the Chathams are so intermingled at this stage essentially you'd have all chatham islanders basically paying and apologising to themselves. Obviously absurd. The reason why on other claims in NZ are settled with apology and compensation is because the Crown and Government are the same entities under whose authority and power the confiscation happened. As the invasion happened in 1835 the crown ( and therefore the legal system) has zero ability decide or enforce anything to do with the events. Lastly regarding European responsibility, suggest look into the full details of the voyages of the Sydney registered Rodney, the ship which transported the 3 iwi from Wellington to the Chathams. While its possible to believe the first trip across, the officers and crew of the Rodney were unaware of the purpose of the trip, there was a second trip they made which took reinforcements across and they certainly knew on this voyage what they were helping to do. There certainly a shared part moral responsibility by the crew of the Rodney then followed by the Colonial authorities in Sydney and London who failed to hold the Rodney crew to account for their support of the invasion.
@@user-uy6uc5ey5q And following the logic of your first paragraph - given the extreme inter-marriage of Māori with later settlers - at this stage essentially you have all New Zealanders basically paying and apologising to themselves. Obviously absurd.
@@user-uy6uc5ey5q thank you for bringing up the Rodney. Sometimes it feels as though no one else is willing to acknowledge this very real aspect of the occupation of rekohu, I'm pretty sure one of the reasons they went over there too was to see if it was fit for European settlement but the conditions were too harsh for them to survive also, so to me it kind of feels as though those two hapu were commissioned by the govt aswell.
From what I've read the Moriori man that documented the language also kept a record of all those eaten by the Maori which amounted to almost a quarter of the post enslavement population. I was also in school with a Moriori in the early 80s and he was away from school for several months for land claims which were unsuccessful handed to Maori claimants.
@tsa3b what you are claiming about maori attacking moriori on the nz mainland is nonsense that was debunked a hundred years ago. moriori were/are the people of the chatham islands, and were not attacked until 1835.
@tsa3b ok sorry you're right, i misread your post. i'm sure some earlier arrivals were displaced by later arrivals, but there are few stories if that happening. generally there was little conflict in the first few hundred years, as evidenced by the lack of pa-building until later. the people who attacked moriori were themselves displaced by waikato maori who had access to guns. when guns arrived inter-tribal warfare really took off.
Geeess!!! I thought they would have done that sounds different because in the Torres strait, Thursday Island this was a report in our history lesson at primary school and High school back in the 70s and 80s very interesting thank you ☺️👍.
If it is unacceptable to blame Maori for what happened to the Moriori then it is also unacceptable to blame current Pakeha for what happened 150 years ago.
You are correct. It's wrong to blame others for the actions commited by others. However, alot of pakeha refuse to acknowledge maori grievances and tell us we benefitted from colonialism without acknowledging that it was in fact done w the betterment of Europeans not maori. To improve their quality of life not ours and the systems still set in place to this day still benefits pakeha more than any other people (not just maori). When educated on matters if contention, it's often viewed from pakeha as blaming present day people. Were often told the British were better options than the Spanish or french, when in reality it was just as bad - no more or less. In the early 2000s i was sent to detention numerous times for simply correcting a teacher about maori history and also about the endeavours of cook (like how gisborne wasn't his first point of contact w maori, but Waikawa in mahia better known as Portland island. He was intimidated by what he perceived as warriors on Waikawa - they were tohunga and Waikawa was a school for tohunga. So he headed over to gisborne kidnapped young boys, got them drunk, molested them and tried to bargain their return to gisborne for food and goods. Contrary to popular belief this didn't happen by the port, but by the beach near the warehouse in gisborne. The Maori did not give him anything, hence the name 'poverty bay'. Apparently this didn't align w what was taught in school so I was punished.) The rape of children in the wairarapa and hawkes bay to help farmers 'landlock' maori assets. I can go on for awhile, but don't feel like it as most people don't want to hear it BC it doesn't fit their narrative. They say we would have roads, midwives, hospitals, teachers, schools etc. When we already had our own variant of all the stated examples above. It's quite sad really. I wouldn't say I blame present day pakeha, but often enlightenment is seen as confrontational to those that are happy w blind ignorance. I've had to tell maori family to chill out w how aggressive they get as it really won't help get the message across, and I've also had to do the same for pakeha family members. I have my own mother an earful for calling what she perceived as strangers in our town as tourists - I was disgusted as the girl she pointed out she used to take care of as a child and she was my friends little sister and is just a fair skinned maori BC her dad is white, her mum is actually my mother's aunty. And the boys family were farmers in the area for awhile and I was friends w his older brother. My mother hated it and tried to kick me out of my own car, BC I need to learnt i respect my mother😂 equally so I've had the displeasure of trying to correct my white partner's family on their ways and views but this is falling on deaf ears and they keep playing victim. They race bait and then throw snide comments and hideous stares or just refuse to talk after correction or enlightenment. I told them not to sweat it BC obviously their ancestors weren't the industrious folk that colonised NZ, but rather just British common folk. However his lastname does descend from a pretty well known colonial figure, but I can't judge when my ancestor was the ammunition dealer for the landwars, so he provided the bullets that were fired at both sides. His actions aren't my family's, but I always bring it up as acknowledgement to the raruraru caused for all people involved. I always make it known while in his day he was seen as good, I personally don't agree and will apologise to any descendants that knows their family tree or whakapapa BC it's just the right thing to do. It'd be abit different if I didn't know those facts about my lineage like most pakeha, but I won't feign ignorance just to make myself feel better. I think it's good to be able to acknowledge but distance yourself from the shackles of taking responsibility for someone else's actions. If I retained assets or land acquired through deception or squatting by my ancestor, I'd action the process to get it transferred but ask for perhaps a 10-20 year grace period to move off the said land or return the assets to the rightful owners so I could have an opportunity to get my affairs in order and so my family could all come and say their goodbyes to where we made memories and then id take the time to educate them on why the return is necessary. As it stands we've had to transfer a few maori land titles to the right owners anyways BC of admin errors when it was originally divvied up - I don't feel as though my family lost out on those land parcels as it'd be wrong to keep it from the rightful owners while we're still crying in our corner about unreturned land. This isn't blame, but rather doing what's right from wrong. I'd do it for pakeha too if we went over to Britain and colonised it and took what was rightfully the Britishs assets, Id give it all back without expecting payment if they allowed for the grace period.
if people of today: who i have met; behave as do with colonialistic attitudes of yesterdays; bringing it into today and tomorrows, there lies the stain.
What you are doing when you "buy" a parcel of land is you are paying for the right to use the land plus any "improvements" that are done t or placed on the land. The land always belongs to New Zealand. If you were to "buy" a parcel of leasehold land the price is usually split into two parts. The first part is the unimproved value the second part is for any development and or buildings. @@MTT-ic3ci
11:40 "The actions of 900 Māori in 1935 cannot be held against all Māori now." Agreed. Can we say the same about the actions of Europeans arriving in Aotearoa in the 1800s?
@@mateopribyl9218 who else is going to pay for it? if a group of new zealanders is disproportionately disadvantaged because of the government's actions, isn't it the responsibility of all new zealanders to address it? even if a group was not affected by the government's actions we would expect to use tax money to help them. for example if we had a group of ukranian refugees come to nz we would expect to support them to overcome their disadvantages, no?
@@mateopribyl9218 do you mean how does a government support ukranian refugees to overcome their disadvantages? i'd say they would provide welfare in the short term, targeted health, education and employment programs in the longer term. sound reasonable? or maybe you meant how does a government address inequalities caused by land thefts? to start with, by setting up a tribunal to manage reparations and the return of land that is not in private ownership. by fostering mana motuhake and pride in culture and language so the disenfranchised people can be proud of being maori rather than seeing it as a disability. by highlighting and promoting maori positivity and success. how would you do it?
Moriori are the indigenous people of Australia. Same race, described and also same descriptions as the Tasmanian aboriginals. Peaceful Dark race of people with reddish hair. The last of the moriori had been interbred with the modern day Maori. Hence why when put on the Chatham Islands they didn’t survive they thrived, with political and ceremonial connection to land. Art is also identical to aboriginal art in Australia.
DNA shows they are distant related, common living systems and probable arrival in New Zealand was via the 3 week sea voyage, or less in a storm with a tailwind.
Moriori are indigenous to the Chatham Islands. They are their own people with their own language and customs. The two tribes from Taranaki Ngati Tama and Ngati Mutunga invaded, slaughtered, cannibalised and enslaved these peace loving people. Maui Soloman is the grandson of the last full blooded Moriori Tommy Soloman, he talks about what happened to his people it's a must read for anyone that's interested just look up Maui Soloman. Kia Kaha to my brothers and sisters in the Chathams ❤️
Moriori WERE INDIGENOUS to the Islands know officially since the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi, as New Zealand. They WERE CHASED TO the Chatham Islands, where they eventually perished as a race. They CANNOT BE your "brothers and sisters" you send greetings of "Kia Kaha" to, and we must assume that you are a Maori and are sending greetings to Maoris that may be on the Chatham Islands now.
@@TuiPolitics The Moriori of today are not full blooded Moriori, they are part Moriori and part something else. The scientific definition of extinction is when there are no full blooded specimens of the race or species left alive. A simple Google would have let you know before you made the video. And another point that you may find interesting: I am part Moriori and know my history very well.
You sound like you're educated but spilling false information. I know their are no full blooded Moriori now but like I said the last full blooded Moriori was Tommy Soloman who passed in 1933 his bloodline still lives on through his children and many others that survived during that time, even if it's a drop of blood they're still Moriori and FYI their are still Moriori alive and kicking my sister in laws being some of them. You seriously need to chill. Kia kaha my brothers and sisters ❤
Moriori are Maori dna proved this Bro the closets migration path that I can agree with to date based on DNA and archeological finds th-cam.com/video/cdnibPOwLWs/w-d-xo.html&si=VNtKKq4RBlJ0kcw_
I am now retired, and have extensively investigated and studied the early history of tectonic plate movement and land/species/human development of both the Australian Plate, and Zelandia. Documented evidence ( not opinionated statements ) of geological and biological events show the original humans that inhabited the lands formed on these plates are inter-related with DNA and recorded carbon dating. ( notwithstanding that carbon dating is only indicative of time periods, not directly factual ) The last surviving full blooded Moriori underwent exhaustive and comprehensive biological tests prior to his death in 1967, and a resulting TVNZ Documentary showed the DNA comparisons with the Aborigines of Australia, and all the Polynesian Island peoples, including Hawaii and Taiwan. This included taking a Maori male from the Rotorua Iwi to Taiwan and introducing him to a woman who he immediately thought upon seeing her, was that she was his "twin sister". The DNA matching was 99%. Documented factual historical records in Taiwan show that a migration from the highlands ( where this woman lived ) of an entire village by waka rafts to the Solomon Islands, Papua New Guinea, Samoa, Fiji etc were met with severe battles and forced withdrawals by the Taiwanese natives, and eventually they landed at an uninhabited island they named "Aotea". This island is still called Aotea, as well as being called "Great Barrier Island" in english, and is in what is called the Hauraki Gulf. The Maori are directly linked via DNA and their own migration voyage/s to modern day Taiwan, and the Moriori are directly linked via DNA and tribal warfare disputes with the Aboriginal migration in the NSW coastal encampments area. ( seafood hunters ) When Te Rapuha led his people down the South Island to claim it for himself, he found the remanent of the Moriori who had escaped from an earlier mass attack on them near Hamilton/Ragland, and quietly surrounded them at Kaitorere Spit, south of Banks Peninsular. He attacked in the middle of the night, killed an estimated ( from Moriori records ) 90% mostly being women and children, and his warriors chased the last 10 % down to Timaru where they found that the Moriori survivors had put to sea in the large ocean going wind blown/paddled canoe outrigger craft. (Drawings found in Sydney and on the Chatham Islands where they went to, show identical type long distance fishing craft ) The Maori Kaumatua at the Kaitotere Spit modern day fishing village called Birdlings Flat, an old and wise Maori elder by the name of "George" gave me a good account of his knowledge, took me to the exact spot ( he pointed to the fenced off area due to his reluctance to get any closer ) where the massacre and cannibalistic battle feast took place. The Department of Conservation have fenced off the area, signs warn against entering and removing any artefacts now, and along with the collection of evidence that was in the Canterbury Museum, it is very easy to reject any notion that the Moriori were a "sub-tribe" of the Maoris. Attempts have been made to coverup the evidence, including the prevention of inspection of the North Island massacre site of the Moriori by the invading Maori, with that block of native bush being also put under DOC control. Part of covering up evidence is to place tresspass orders on anyone who tries to investigate this topic, of which DOC has done to me. I am not allowed on ANY DOC controlled land. The truth is found by examination of evidence, and the truth is that the Moriori were the original humans on "New Zealand", and NOT THE MAORIS. The Maoris WERE THE FIRST humans on "Aotea" and then they invaded the actual North Island of "New Zealand" where the Moriori WERE LIVING FIRST. ALL the evidence is DIRECTLY RELATED to these facts. Anyone can make a video and get paid by TH-cam for advertising revenue based on numbers of views, "likes" and "subscribers", but NOBODY can change history. And the last white person eaten by the Maoris was the young daughter of a missionary at Whakamarina, near Picton. I will let you find out when that was.............
How can you argue against the European linguists who discovered that the mori ori share between 70 and 80% of the same vocabulary further reinforcing the european theory that the mori ori and Maori are the same. Apart from the language, the carvings, the way they prepared hangi, customs etc. I'm not a professional in this field by any means but I do read and research a lot. I've also researched my own Irish heritage.
@@ustorm9 1. The words are English, which replicate the sound used do describe them. 2. Maori still do not have their own written communications, the Moriori did. 3. Moriori women held as sex slaves by the Maori taught Maori children the Moriori language. 4. even today the different Maori tribes argue over how to pronounce their own named places. 5. A theory is just someone's opinion, and the theory you refer to would require the DNA testings done on everyone in the entire world to be wrong. 6. There is no similar comparisons whatsoever that can be made between anything these 2 races do, or did. The entire existence of the Maori is that they are the greatest warriors in the world, and the Moriori was that they would welcome even the devil ( which they did ) with open arms. There is even a rugby league team called the "Warriors" and watch the movie to see how they live in New Zealand today. Do not believe anything anyone says, and that includes so-called university "experts" who read something, then write a book about it or make a TH-cam channel video. They think that it makes them "important".
@@stephenprice-o6j I definitely won't believe anything anyone says including you. They are 100% Polynesian people and that's a fact. There are multiple professors who have dedicated their whole lives to this and you're telling me that now you're retired and have read a few things you're a specialist in this field. You're a comedian mate 🤣🤣🤣
@@ustorm9 A typical reaction from someone who has been confronted over their claims and cannot handle the truth. Multiple professors also wasted their lives repeating another "professor" Charles Darwin"s theory on how an ape apparently became a man after deciding he was not going to remain an ape. ( despite those "professors" all agreeing that a crossover from one species to another is atomically impossible ) No, I am not telling you or anyone else that I am retired and "...have read a few things" or that I am "...a specialist in this field..." either. THAT is your incorrect opinion as a result of your incorrect TFAR processing ability, caused by your bad habit forming mentality obviously. Only when you change your thought assessment capacity and break the bad habit of negativity will your life actually change, and only then will you actually be able to listen to facts, not fiction.
@@stephenprice-o6j Absolute rubbish. Maybe if you were qualified to speak on this matter might actually care about your opinion. So sorry mate, you have no authority and expertise to be in the know. 🤦
This school history must be very recent. No one from ages 60+ were ever told about Maori or Moriori history. We got English history with King Alfred and Robert the Bruce!
Im 60+ and i think i got a reasonable education of maoridom it taught us to respect the culture and i think all cultures .Gotta say the soundtrack to this vid i found very irritating but then im irritated by most soundtracks cant see the need for them .
At 80 we learnt all about early Maori history... Hongi Hika's musket wars, land wars the lot, we learnt that the Moriori had originally settled in the north and beaten down until they took refuge in the Chatham... so sometime between your education and mine they dropped off Maori history.
@@user-uy6uc5ey5q NOPE BUDDY she is right we did get lots of maori history! I collect books & I STILL HAVE THEM >>They are much better than a lot of slanted drivel taught today! Why we have a prime minister who thinks you can change sex with paper!...... Not only did we learn we actually met some of the grandchildren of noted historical folks..but do not listen to me --I am just racist,homophobic ,misoginistic.rightwing conservative,closedminded,senile old coot.( but I got a hug rom Pixie Williams, slept with Te Puia, was friend with Honi Repohipi.shared fish & chips with Honi Tuwhari &oiled Major ROPATAS Sword!,)
@@user-uy6uc5ey5q I'm afraid it is you who is spouting activist propaganda... my family have been here since 1812, and lived and recorded our early history, they were amongst the first missionary linguist to give Maori their written language, they lived among many tribes and recorded their early tribal dialects and their histories... so to quote your badly worded prose "it is you who didn't learn nothing"! Don't rely on the newly created activists' sanitised version of your history - instead study every written document from our national archives - there is a wealth of material. The writings of Maori and the recordings of the crown alike. - then you can say you know history.
The tragic thing is that two Maori tribes sailed to the Chathams and slaughtered, cannabilised and enslaved a peace loving people, the Mori Ori. That is a historical fact, and no sugar coating by Maori can change that. Yes certainly not all Maori can be blamed for what occurred in the Chathams, it is solely the Maori tribes responsible for the massacre/enslavement. In 1842 New Zealand was a very newly formed colony of Great Britain. It is easy for some to point the finger at the government and say they should have intervened to protect the Mori Oris but the reality is that as with all new and fledging governments, they were just developing and it took time for them to tackle all the many big issues they were facing.
Not only were Moriori people in New Zealand long before Maori arrived but their is also evidence that a Celtic people were here long before Maori arrived. Maori were very cannibalistic, Mark Twain even commented on it and claimed to have partaken in a feast where the main course was a human being when he came to New Zealand in 1895.
1, the Celtic theory is based on one Celtic looking skeleton that no one has dated prior to 1250, its was probably a settler who died. 2. Did you watch the video? Read the Moriori settlement act, moriori were not on mainland nz. They may have been on the Chatham islands prior to Maori in nz but not on the mainland. This is historical fact that every politician party agreed on
@@TuiPolitics A number of stones unearthed when forming the Waipapa earth dam... and more found along the Waikato river had a language that appeared early Celt... they predated Maori... I myself saw them along with most of the village I lived in, they were photographed and many taken off to the Ak. Museum. My cousin a surveyor on the dam was fascinated with the fact that when climbing to inspect or construct trig stations he would find stone structures..predating Maori already established. Maori elders at the time said they belonged to the people who were here when they came.. the stones were unearthed in 1958. Possibly they link to the Raglan stones was the thought... others near Aratimuru were bulldozed into the Waikato but there are still surviving stones I am told. A lot of work was done researching the early navigational sites by a number of historians out of Ak University but as they were Govt. funded their funds were taken from them citing it was too sensitive to Maori...it is every kiwis right to know the origins of our first peoples.
@@TuiPolitics At 80 we were taught the Moriori first landed in the north and stone art found in the Kaipara is said to be theirs... held in Dargaville and some in Auckland museums... we were taught that they took refuge from Maori and settled in the Chathams. Some of the very early historians whose books that were studied dated 1880+ and I feel that they would have had an accurate picture of these people as it was only 45 years after the genocide of the Moriori... I take no value in the fact you say most politicians today agree that the Moriori only settled the Chatham Is as I doubt that any of them would have availed themselves of early history books (if they could find them) and historical crown records.
The moral of the story is there is no such thing as indigenous people only the history of migration, conflict of cultures and human progress whether for good or bad.
@@TuiPoliticsistorians’ opinions on the matter don’t matter lmao; only anthropologists’ do and their is no such thing as indigenous people anthropologically or biologically. It is a political term. We are all from Africa and have all settled new lands and colonized other people.
@@TuiPolitics They dont have to agree with it in order for it to be true, the fact is, nothing here is ours, you just live on it until you die like everything else. The land was here long before us and will be here long after we're gone
False! You need to look up what indigenous actually means. Yes we all came from somewhere else originally, but in terms of colonialism there are such a thing as indigenous and who was there 1st! So doesn’t matter. Nice try to justify colonialism!
The crown would not have been able to act in 1842, there were a max of 10 000 pakeha total in nz. In addition, Te Tiriti was signed between the crown and Māori, not moriori and guarantees Māori their possessions which would have included slaves.
When the crown had security concerns in mainland nz it just ordered soldiers. In 1842 the Chathams were British territory, so moriori were subjects and therefore had a right to be protected from slavery.
@@chieftama1825 the moriori genocide could be considered tribal warfare (although there was no war, on group just attacked and slaughtered the other). but europeans did not do anything like this, let alone "worse at the time".
@@chieftama1825 Nah bro, the Maori were a race of savages who killed and ate a very large percentage of their own population. Hongi Hika sat at the base of a cliff for example at Ruapuke while an entire tribe was thrown off the top to smash next to him and cover himself in their blood/brains. This countries history has been murdered by the murderers in order to protect their egos. The Europeans saved the Maori from their own. Admittedly the weapons were given to them in full knowledge that they would commit such bloodshed on their own kind so some blame can be given to the English for fanning the flames of cannabilism.
after i forwarded my great aunt's name (jane hough) through to michael king: he interviewed her, noting info shared in his book but after interview i showed aunty a pic in a book she identified as herself as a child in moriori reserve even telling me names of most of those around her. this info: changed some of earlier dialogue shared in interview; as aunty continued with quite a bit of excitement sharing childhood memories, she said she had not to day we shared that day. thank you aunty jane.
Since ww2 we should be one as if the war was lost this conversation would not be happening and both European and Maroie people fort side by side to keeping NZ free one
Then the government at the time took the land of Maori soldiers and gave it to european born ones. When your on a history vid, expect people who know history. That was the entire reason why NZ gangs exist after all
Trust me you are still misinformed. The 900 ?? Taranaki Iwi (who had been displaced by a Waikato Tribe led by Hone Hika - thats right they had their sacred lands stolen by another tribe) did not "sail the ship to the Chatham Islands". They hijacked it and forced the British crew to sail it there for them under the threat of death and being dinner. They absolutely 100% cannibalised some numbers of the enslaved Moriori this was well documented by eye witnesses, so I dont know why this guy is trying to cast doubt on that.
There’s a difficult balance to maintain between not subtracting agency from indigenous people and also avoiding the use of past injustices to justify present oppression or injustices. It seems obvious to me that this injustice was twisted by British colonizers in order to justify its own oppression. Divide and conquer, as they say.
@rickrubin8049 I think he's saying they mixed with each other and became an amalgamation. Just like the Berber or Amazigh of northern Africa some mixed or became Arabized when Arabs came to their land
moriori were eaten and had to run away to the chatham islands to get away from Maori. Fact: Maori were the only race in NZ history to commit genocide and slavery. None of the people who commited these acts are alive today so nobody is complicit. The only reason mainstream academia doesn't want to admit this is it takes away from the Maori's grievances with the english and therefore elite tribes claims against the state. Nobody should be held responsible for the sins of their forefathers. The treaty of waitangi should be settled ASAP forever and no futher claims given so that we can move on as a nation and stop with the idiocy of our situation being compared with Africans and American slavery, it's nothing even close to the same situation.
Well that isn't a fact... did you watch the video? Ask living Moriori like at the moriori trust. The moriori were the occupants of the Chatham islands, not mainland nz. That is the myth this video was made to counteract
@@TuiPolitics I don't believe stuff just because I read it on the internet. I'm willing to set the government made them sign something to explain away the unfortunate parts in exchange for a settlement. Lots of history has been rewritten to suit woke academics, we have been essentially conquered by Marxists from within.
@@TuiPolitics if you've been through the last couple years with media and academics straight up just lying or omitting facts and haven't caught on yet I'm afraid I can't help you. I'm not overly confident it won't continue when the next government comes in regardless of who it is.
There are written accounts of Taranaki Maori eating Moriori. Why is it so hard for modern people to accept accounts of cannibalism? All cultures are guilty of it at some stage.
The Māori arrived in New Zealand around the late 13th century, while the Moriori settled in the Chatham Islands approximately a century later, around the 14th century. Thus, the Māori established their presence in New Zealand before the Moriori arrived in their islands.
At the time of the invasion of the Chatham Islands in the 1830s, the British Crown had begun establishing its presence in New Zealand, but it was not yet fully established or in control of all regions. The British formally annexed New Zealand in 1840 with the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi. Prior to this, the British had some level of influence and presence, but their authority was not comprehensive or fully enforced throughout New Zealand or its surrounding territories like the Chatham Islands. The Chatham Islands were not formally part of New Zealand at the time of the invasion. The British government and its representatives were aware of the situation, but their control and influence over such distant regions were limited. The invasion and subsequent treatment of the Moriori people were largely driven by local Māori iwi rather than direct British intervention or control.
Thank you for this for some reason I suddenly belong here in NZ outcast from my mother's natural island home Samoa seen as a person from outside of Samoa and even deported from Samoa back to NZ In the unknown some things are best unsaid gives the mind peace to move forward and what do you do with this freedom is more important I reckon Thank you for my freedom my forefathers my ancestors my brother's and my mother's mother always thinking of you all ❤❤❤
The myth goes something like this: that once upon a time, Aotearoa was home to a race of people called the Moriori. That the Moriori were primitive, inferior folk. And that eventually, when Māori arrived on these shores, they massacred, ate, and completely wiped out the Moriori people. The myth was busted decades ago - yet it has persisted for generations. Why? Because it's convenient, according to Maui Solomon. Solomon is the chair of Hokotehi Moriori Trust. He, alongside many others with Moriori hokopapa, has been fighting for correction of the historical record - and for a treaty settlement - since 1988. And earlier this month, that settlement was finally signed, sealed and delivered. "The reason [the myth of Moriori extinction] became so powerfully ingrained in the psyche of New Zealanders is because, if Māori could push Moriori out of NZ, then later European migrants could push Māori off their land,” he says. "It suited the narrative, and it was a justification of European colonisation of Māori land."
In late 1842, a small party consisting of Ngāti Mutunga and their Mōriori mōkai chartered a brig to sail southwest to the Auckland Islands. They sailed there due to the purchase of Rēkohu by the New Zealand Company in 1840-which obviously prohibited slavery due to the newly acquired lands now being held under New Zealand law. Matioro, a chief of the iwi, was reluctant to give up his slaves and had a skirmish with a French crew, which led to the decision that his people had to move elsewhere due to those pressures. Upon reaching Auckland Island, Matioro began surveying the island. During this time, two of the chiefs who accompanied him on the journey to Auckland Island decided that the island was inhospitable for settlement and set sail before he returned. This left Matioro and his people stranded on the archipelago until March 1856.
The Moriori were actually known as the "peace civilisation of Waitaha" who have a 92 human generations connection to New Zealand, compared to the Maori claim to 38 human generations. Seen in "song of Waitaha" 1996, by Barry Brailsford, as their "secret oral transmission". The Invasion of the Chatham Islands in 1835 by Maori in 1835, began with the boning out of the flesh of a 12 year old girl and hanging her flesh on the village entry post, to indicate that a very well practised cannibalism ritual was underway. Her only fault was to help heal the invading Maori cannibals back to health after a near death sea voyage from Taranaki. Which is how these Maori cannibals got to hold the "fake news" "native title in New Zealand".
@amcreative3784 0 seconds ago My Aunty's name is Tui. She used to send me Tiwi often. I am not sure if she was MoriOri as I only met her once at a family gathering. A song we sing is called 'Listen'. After that I found voices many coming through from water, air, wind, and people which has been a bit overwhelming. I apologise if stories have been confused. I know her grand daughter resides in the North Island with my Uncle so perhaps she holds her stories in that place. As a part of a choir we sang a couple of Maori songs, Island, Taihitian, Takalou, Fijian songs to strengthen 'wahu' connection to stories. A>Marie
It doesnt help that for some unknown reason NZ govt are sucking up big time to Maori. So yeah lets go along with all this version - fine. But calling Maori indigenous still isnt right. "Early settlers" is closer, but then the govt cant hand over so many unique rights to them. For me the big question is why do they want to?
The UNs definition of indigenous "Considering the diversity of indigenous peoples, an official definition of “indigenous” has not been adopted by any UN-system body. Instead the system has developed a modern understanding of this term based on the following: • Self- identification as indigenous peoples at the individual level and accepted by the community as their member. • Historical continuity with pre-colonial and/or pre-settler societies • Strong link to territories and surrounding natural resources • Distinct social, economic or political systems • Distinct language, culture and beliefs • Form non-dominant groups of society • Resolve to maintain and reproduce their ancestral environments and systems as distinctive peoples and communitie
The UN is not a dictionary. The dictionary definition of indigenous is, " born or originating in a country ; native. " We are all indigenous or native as we were all born somewhere. But we all come from people groups who migrated, since the beginning of time. Everyone of us is indigenous with an immigrant heritage.
@@jaspervanp2346 Nothing says reasonable considered opinion more than far right propaganda insults. By the way by political science terms you can't be an elite Marxist.Thats the reason why communist countries said they 'pre-marxist' societies.
Maori have always known the truth from the stories of maui, when he came to nz there were already people here. Its that 1% that want to keep it hidden to stay in "power" but the stories are always passed down through our families. Why do you think they stopped the investigation of the Kaimanawa Wall?
The British are somehow responsible for Maori peoples actions pre-colonisation now are they. How are the British responsible for Taranaki Maori, who had been displaced off of their lands by an invasion from other Maori, who hijacked a ship named the Lord Rodney, sailed it to Chatham Islands, then underttook a genocidal take over of those Islands, where the Maori ritualistically killed and enslaved the Moriori. The Maori later stating "We took possession... in accordance with our customs and we caught all the people. Not one escaped....." The invaders ritually killed some 10% of the population, a ritual that included staking out women and children on the beach and leaving them to die in great pain over several days. The Moriori genocide is the deadliest in human history, when measured by percentage of the victim peoples killed, 95%. The Maori are the guilty party not the British. How again is it that the British were at fault for this? How are the British responsible for the violent and savage culture and actions of the Maori? This video is one of the most deceptive re writings of history I have come across. Maori loved to make war and kill each other, but it's the British who are at fault for being peace to New Zealand and allowing all future Maori to live without fear of being enslaved and eaten by other Maori, as had occurred since time immemorial. How dare the British supress such long standing Maori cultural tradition.
You have misunderstood. The British were not responsible for what those attackers did, they were responsible for their inaction after slavery was banned in nz, and for failing to protect their moriori subjects. The attackers were responsible for what the attackers did.
@@RadenYohanesGunawan don’t see your point. Do you mean why did the government apologise if the attackers did not? Again those people are long dead. The government remains as an entity.
Thankyou for providing this very important and factual expose' on the Moriori peoples. The Moriori Claims Settlement Act 2021 is very important to clarify historical accounts and redress grievances. I am pleased to see that the Act addresses land issues. I am also pleased to see the Moriori Iwi's, culture and language are returning. It would have been a terrible tragedy to have lost this peaceful peoples culture. I was also told by my mother the false story about Morioris having been all eaten by the Maori and that they were a smaller people. My wife and I are both Maori and we both appreciate when Crown can acknowledge wrongs and work towards redressing legitimate grievances.
Simple history for you. Some Maoris decided to ignore the Human Rights Act of New Zealand, plus the United Nations International Convention on Human Rights, that makes racist actions an offence, and they setup a Maoris only political party, of which led to several Maoris getting seats in the New Zealand Parliament. They have not even got their own written language, use the English alphabet letters in a hashed up manner, and don't even know the basic workings of a democratic society. But wait, there's more. They sided with the Labour Political Party, got handouts and promises of "co-governance" from them, and the Maori "language" being given to every single thing in New Zealand that is written in English. As well as that, they got to change New Zealand's name without a democratic vote, which is necessary under New Zealand, British, United Nations LAWS. HOWEVER, the Maori Party, the Labour Party, and the Green Party, are ALL HISTORY. THEY HAVE ALL BEEN FIRED. The new Political Parties that will govern NEW ZEALAND are going to CHANGE EVERYTHING BACK to what it was, should be, and WILL BE. A group of New Zealand Lawyers are preparing a Legal Claim against the racist "Te Pati Maori" Political Party, to be lodged in the Hague, with damages sought being in the multi-millions of NZD. A Court Order for the dissolvement of this racist organisation, and all the other racist Maori only Organisations, is also being sought. Not the type of publicity that they were hoping for, but any publicity is good publicity, isn't it ? And so far as their "signage" ? Maybe it's time they came up with their own written "signage" for the sounds that they make for things that they want to communicate to others, instead of stealing the English written language.
The Morioroi are a cautionary tale that pacifism is a bad idea. There is also a really stupid idea going around that all cultures are somehow of equal value.
Yeah no mention of those Māori ancestors who traveled here by (hau) Air,bringing with them special (Taunga) Extinguished air (heirlooms) No mention of Moriori ever having them. And if so where. Turangawaewae
@TuiPolitics Actually Moriori speak Maori just in a different dialect. They are the same people, obviously time on chattam changes the cultures a very small amount. Not enough to say they are a complete new culture. DNA does not lie, Maori and MoriOri are one in the same 😂. So sad to see lies being regurgitated, this is what perpetuates racism and hate.
Mis-information from the start I couldn't even continue pass 45 seconds. Moriori are indigenous to Wharekauri or Chatham Islands not Aotearoa New Zealand.
@@TuiPolitics according to the demograph today but back in those days Wharekauri or Rēkohu the Moriori name for it did not come under the colonised umbrella of NZ
@@eeeaten I read your comment so I watched it and yes, it's a great video. I was blinded by my tiresome anger of constant Māori bashing that I turned it off as soon as I heard the statement of Moriori being first peoples of Aotearoa. Well done @TuiPolitics your work is thorough and well presented. Mauri Ora
@@YIUDUUB Keep ignoring the factual data including the Maori Chiefs own words that were recorded when they spoke to the British Parliament, when they went there to see the "British Empire" that they had been invited to join, AS ONE RACE OF PEOPLE, not as a lot of warring tribes. Where do you think the "Treaty" idea originated from ? It was suggested as a way for ALL MAORIS to join with the British to run New Zealand, as ONE PEOPLE !!! WAKE UP !!!
White people do this towards the Amerindians saying that the Vikings were wiped out by the Indians, or that the southern Bantus were oppressing and killing the Khoisan, and here to 🤔
It is SO great that you made this video! So little of NZ history is known by most Kiwis, as you mentioned, school curricula is often hit and miss when it comes to accuracy and the persistence of lies can really scare people away from learning or even talking about the Moriori. Keep up the great work! I for one remember reading a Wikipedia page in like 2020 and seeing Moriori accompany Māori in this section about languages of New Zealand and being shocked that there even was another language spoken here pre-Tasman. The misrepresentations that circulate about the cannibalism and the slavery as well as the use of said misrepresentations to delegitimize Māori's attempts to attain equal status to Europeans is really gross and if it weren't for you making this video, bullshit like that would have a monopoly on content teaching the history of the Moriori so again, thank you very much for this and I look forward to seeing your future content.
The science is NEVER settled. That fact that you utter such nonsense tells anyone with a functioning brain that you have no understanding of what science is.
So I've watched the whole video. Even if there wasn't any cannibalism committed against the Moriori by those invading Taranaki Maori tribes, at the end of the day, it was still those Maori tribes who invaded, murdered and enslaved the Moriori, not white settlers or the colonial govt. (This all happened in the 1830s before the treaty of Waitangi when there was no colonial govt in NZ anyway.) So today, the colonial govt gets blamed for the plight of the Moriori???... even though they weren't the ones who committed this atrocity in the first place and in fact, that same colonial govt later on, DID ban the enslavement of Moriori by the Maoris. So why then, does the colonial govt get all the blame for what happened to the Moriori and not those Maori Iwi who actually committed the atrocity?? Why did the current NZ govt apologise for what happened to the Moriori (Even though the NZ govt had nothing to do with it.) While the descendents of those Taranaki Maori Iwi whose ancestors DID commit the atrocity, were NOT called upon to apologise for what happened?
The nz government didn’t apologise for what happened to moriori but for the part they played in it. After 1840 they had a responsibility to protect moriori from slavery, they didn’t. In the 1870s the government awarded moriori lands to Māori, so today the government apologises for that error.
Sure, the Crown didn't end the enslavement of Moriori and force the Maori to release them until 1863. But at least they did THAT, albeit rather late. So, if it hadn't been for the British colonial authorities, the Moriori would have never been released from slavery at all. And who invaded, murdered and enslaved the Moriori in the first place?? Seems to me, that it was those Taranaki Iwi who were most culpable for what happened, so why haven't their descendants been called upon to apologise for what their ancestors did?? I've studied the historical accounts of what happened in the Chathams in 1835 and it was horrific. I noticed in those parliamentary readings in your video, how the politicians tend to gloss over the sheer levels of savagery of the Maori invasion of the Chathams. Worse than anything the British ever did in NZ. Andrew Little even referring to it as "settlement" by the Maori. Please.
@@flakcannon722 moriori were occupying the chatham islands in the 1500s maoris were already in nz during the 1300s lol, considering the chatham islands are far away it would seem that would be the last place to be occupied.
@@flakcannon722 I know my shit bruh, i whakapa directly to ranghaeta who was te rauparahas nephew lol whom his dad was te kawa and his mother te wharepouri sister of te rauparaha. I know my shit bruh my bloods thicker than majority of maori. Ngahoata Te Ramapiupiu go look that shit up.
not exactly true. the two iwi who went to the chathams to attack moriori were ngati mutunga and ngati tama. they were displaced from their taranaki homelands by waikato maori, not by the british. the british did bring guns into the country, and that enabled waikato maori to attack taranaki iwi, so i guess you could say "because of the british", but it was not the british who displaced them.
@@eeeaten that is what i meant, i was gonna point waikato out but i didnt want to lol, hence why i dont respect kiingitanga lol, i can get down to the nitty gritty but yeah, Im a te ramapiupiu but most know me as a ngahoata, Ngahoata Te Ramapiupiu was brother to Ngati Te Ramapiupiu who was titokowarus wife, but ngahoata te ramapiupiu married hinerangi who was daughter of rangihaeta and hine kura, rangihaeta was te rauparahas nephew lol. rangiahaeta was the son of te kawa whom married te rauparahas sister.
What a load of absolute hogwash !!! They hijacked the ship off the coast during a coastal navigation and forced the Captain to sail out there SO THAT THEY COULD MURDER THE MORIORI WHO HAD ESCAPED THERE !!! YOU are a classic example of someone who believes absolute crap lies !!!
I think it is time for a dna study of each tribe to find their origins... the Ngai Hou have had their dna tested and as their own genealogy handed down 92 generations told them they came from Persia and they predated Kupe. They like Moriori were not signatory to the treaty as they were all but wiped out during the *musket wars* ...still some descendants survive today they have been badly treated and even had their land taken off them in a treaty settlement and given to Maori who had slaughtered and eaten so many of them... this needs to be put right and they need to get their land back... a small group brought land themselves. Another East Coast tribe found their origins were Taiwain. It would be very beneficial once and for all we were able to prove where each tribe came from originally and this can be done very easily done today.... including Moriori. Relying on handed down myths it no longer good enough.... one of the reasons why the musket wars raged is that they all had different languages and customs. *1820 Hongi Hika started the musket wars with 300 muskets .... he had traded 2 ship loads of gifts from King George IV. He had not been able to get the King to give him muskets so he did the next best thing... on returning home to NZ he traded these gifts with Andrew Snowden a first fleet felon who had gained his ticket of leave and had a trading post of sorts (Paramatta NSW)... Snowden gave Hika his guns! The Kings gifts were well sort in the colony of NSW... Hika returned home to start the musket wars which raged for 20 years and wiped out 1/3 of the Maori population.
Your ignorance here is just astonishing. You don't test DNA to work out ancient ethic background, but use maternal RNA dummy. Thats the testing they done from lots of different Māori iwi (and Polynesians in the pacific as wel) tracing back to ingenious Taiwanese groups. It would also be extremely difficult to isolate ancient Persian RNA as it was a very ethnically diverse empire and Persian culture itself was mostly a land based culture till the took over the eastern mediterranean societies of the Phoenicians, Greeks and Egyptians, who almost exclusively crewed Persian vessels, which we know would have been unable to reach Australia let alone the much more challenging sea conditions to make it to Aotearoa. Stop spouting unscientific nonsense.
Who is Ngai Hou and who are the other east coast tribe u speak of ???,descendents of Maui Tikitiki A Taranga arrived here some 2500 years ago most east coast tribes whakapapa back to him as for the muskets war they were given by pakeha for the purpose of divide and rule a great british military plan executed not only here but all over the world moriori settled chatham island not nz
Nice try but no Polynesian came from Persia/Middle East or Africa! Afrocentric, and Pakeha BS propaganda to lay claims to cultures that isn’t theirs. No Persian ships ever reached Polynesia let alone Aotearoa. DNA (humans, animals and crops/plants), linguistic, and archeological evidence doesn’t lie! The ancestors of all Polynesians can be traced back to one single Igorot woman in the Philippines, the ground zero of Austronesian expansion into the Pacific, on the maternal side X thousands of years ago. We have been in the Philippines as far back as 4000 years. At least that’s how far they have carbonated our tattoo tools!
I wonder where you got that idea from @@darrylwikohika9068 ? muskets were an expensive item...NOBODY GAVE THEM AWAY!! certainly not "the great british military"!.... anyhow the brits were interested in TRADE not simply fighting wars to get land....that came much later when improved hygiene allowed more kids to survive ..as it does in ALL places where health education is introduced. If you try to understand history you will find the first job of the evil colonists was to establish PEACE!! ..yes bad stuff happened also as tribal folks who did not "fit in" with the new establishment conflicted. Many ,in some cases all local maori took up new practices , even labouring enabled many to have a better life, but yes there was discrimination. Cast social layers are a usual thing in most societies its not just an english custom! A maori taken prisoner became a slave & was worked hard if they had skills they were valued but still a slave! The past was crap don't try to recreate it live well today!
A Celtic/Viking Named Ski Possible found this Country first with his wife Pa, they had Three kids Tama,Hine,and Pu, a.k.a Papatuanuku. Even Mori 'ori ori desend from Orin all father. So Mori 'ori ori are Celtic/Viking As well. So When the Mori 'ori ori Chief named Homie e Married a decent of Ski's named Hui e, they Had a Son Named Titi Tiki Tiki Te Kahu Mori 'ori ori Ski Maui Ri Nga Taranga Taiki ea a.k.a Maui. Then Maui's Kids and Mokos refur to themselves as Maori tell this Day.
Mainland NZ is maori and the chatham islands are moriori, Are we gonna leave out the fact that maori stole a british ship? maori were slaves at the same time?
News from the Rotorua Daily Post: "Child, 2, dies after Rotorua driveway accident, family member steals from doctor trying to save child's life." As hospital staff tried to save the life of a 2-year-old boy run over in a Rotorua driveway, a family member swiped a doctor's two phones and a bank card and went on a spending spree. The child died a short time later but Melissa Herewini (A MAORI) had already taken the bank card to four stores in Rotorua and bought alcohol, food, petrol, phone credit and cigarettes.
@@ourpeople-g7r So you paint a random criminal as normal, while ignoring the millions who aren't. That's certainly racist. Should I then paint the hundreds of thousands of pakeha criminals as example of the rest of the millions? No? Cause that would be racist. Like you
Can someone explain to me how on earth a group of Polynesians sail on such long routes past the warmer greener mainland that they must've encountered first on the way, only to pick a harsh low on resource small group of Islands 800kms off the coast of NZ, also in a time period which PREDATES the arrival of Maoris to mainland by 200-300 years??? I have looked extensively into the history of Mori-ori and I always run into this discrepancy. Even though the Mori-ori themselves tell that Chatham Islands have always been their home, I still feel that this story does not add-up at all and there could be an agreement to make this story official in the best interest of all parties, regardless of what the truth actual is. As i see in the previous comments here, someone mentioned, hundreds of artifacts found on Wakanui Beach, north of the Ashburton River that are believed to belong to Mori-ori, I feel like there's an attempt to push for the a narrative that pleases the Maoris and makes it easier to settle the Mori-ori in their own homeland, a the same time the govt avoids opening a can of worms in relation to claims to mainland NZ by a group other than Maori outside the treaty of Waitangi.
Firstly the nz mainland is not on the way from hawaiki, it’s actually further to the west from there. Secondly the evidence suggests moriori ancestry (maybe all of it) is from mainland New Zealand, from the same peoples as Maori. Around 1250AD the eastern Polynesian ancestors of Maori (and moriori) started arriving in nz. Around 1400-1500AD a group went from nz to the Chathams and became culturally distinct from Maori there. It’s possible other ancestors arrived direct from hawaiki.
What doesn't make sense to me is that the mori ori share between 70 - 80% of the same vocabulary as Kai Tahu. Notwhich reinforces that European linguists were right. Mori ori and Maori are from the same line. Although being separated some time ago
@@eeeaten I correct myself. I was confused but will confirm this makes me understand things a lot better. The mori ori and Maori are one in the same. Same customs, language etc.
@chieftama1825 Tena koe Chief. Maori is a fairly recent term of description in the histories of nz. Many varied tribes traveled here over many centuries from many varied embarkation spots. These tribes weren't all the same, they had unique ancestry. Some pacifist, some warlike. The islands known now as NZ was the melting pot of these tribes through interbreeding, conquest, and genocide pre europeans arrival. Some tribes disappeared completely, stories and whakapapa gone. The early term "maori" was created as a result to differentiate from europeans with their very different life and culture style. Unfortunately most history is written by the conquerors, "maori" or european. This is then entrenched through education, treaties, censorship and deception. Truthful intentions are also easily put on the wrong tangents through innocent use of wrong information. Truth is an individual pursuit as it involves putting ego to the side. Just my current thoughts on this fascinating topic.
Te rongomaiwhenua is the correct name of the Moriori sailed directly to Rekohu Chathams...and never set foot in Aotearoa ....iwi from the Taranaki area were purposely shipped to Rekohu and left there before they made their mind up to stay...the iwi from the Taranaki area were wanting to settle the south island..but were persuaded to have a look at the Chathams.. there was no invasion ...the Moriori had new arrivals from Aotearoa in the 1600s who married and battled against the locals ..and the Moriori became the same people as the iwi living in Aotearoa..different dialects but same whakapapa...
So on the 19 November 1835, no one hijacked the European ship Lord Rodney? The book on the Moriori I read that was written by Maoriori stated they were the same as mainland Maori.
Now one is saying pakeha should be blamed for the settlement of nz. The argument is we have to follow the agreement made in the treaty and as a society we should make up for past wrongs, such as racist laws that have allowed pakeha to succeed but allow Maori and other polynesians to fail in every measurement of success
Because the Government has taken actions and inactions that has lead to many groups being disadvantaged in this country. There is a reason why Maori and Pacific islanders are less educated, poorer and more likely to go to jail. It is decades of public policy that has made our society so uneven. It's more than just the treaty
It isn't about what laws are currently on the books, it is about the laws and the society we lived in a few decades ago. Changing laws to make everyone equal doesn't just fix everything. To badly quote MLK "Extraordinary discrimination cannot be solve without Extraordinary representations". Most wealth in this country is inherited, and legal discrimination made it so malri were less likely to go to university, less likely to own a home, more likely to go to prison, more likely to die before collecting super.
@barneyboy2008 yeah. in terms of the treaty, people from all sides of politics need to realise that the history of whether or not maori's were the first peoples of NZ is irrelevant (although it does seem to be the case that they were). The reality is, the British signed a treaty with the Maori's because neither side could win, and that contract between the crown and the Maori needs to be respected and upheld.
@@stewatparkpark2933 nope. moriori lived only on the chatham islands, which were annexed by the british government in 1842, therefore the treaty covered the chathams from that point onwards.
So you are saying the Māori are settlers so then that means they are colonizer’s? For years the Māori denied the morioir existed, how does anyone know the Māori were on the main islands first and not the Moriori and that the Māori chased the Moriori away or killed who were on the main land?
@@riknik05 science shows maori were the first people in nz, moriori were the first (and very similar) people of the chathams. they were not attacked there until 1835, after european arrival.
@ science also shows that is not true and depends on who you believe, how do you know they were never attacked where you there? Chances are they were attacked considering how aggressive Māori were. How do you know Moriori weren’t on the mainland first and chased away?
@@riknik05 To colonize, there needs to be a people for you to colonize. There have been no remains, pots, or any other man-made items found. They had no myths about Maori or any people's outside hawaiki. I believe THEM and the evidence, which hasn't had a single iota to support your idea.
i was in primary frm 2000 onwards. bro no cap no one talked about Moriori people at all in school? And if they did? they were wiped off the face of the earth and/or were just mythical beings like the taniwha & what not? thats so buzzy. first time ever hearing this.
Weird, I went to school at the same time and we got nearly this exact same explanation, but I was a south Island kid and there's a bit of traffic from the chathams.
@@GlassGenius No, you believe the dozens of scientists, historians and researchers who spent thousands of hours combing through records, examining bodies and adhering to the scientific method. People like that Moon guy who fake their results always get caught out
pakeha are the ones always covering their shit under the carpet everywhere they go. did you forget about the genicide pakeha men did to the Maori women and little 12 year old little girls at Parehaka that time? or do you wanna just blain Maori for everything? what a clown lol
So how did the Moriori become to be in the South Island of NZ? The story the Māori eat the Moriori is a Maori story. It was only a group of Maori warriors that were eating humans and they were eating other Maori as well this gave them strength .
Moriori came to the mainland after Europeans were here, after the invasion of the Chatham islands. I encourage you to read the moriori settlement act, it's in the description of the video
Maori had many reasons for consuming human flesh One main one was it destroyed the mana/spirit of the victim ,also making the bones into cooking utensils' was another way to destroy mana/sprit of the victim as well. Mana was everything to the Maori people it can be gained and destroyed . What little actual witnessed cannibal feasts that happened ,it was noted in one feast of a human body the heart was separated ,I think a chief would get to eat that .Hone Hiki on a Rotorua campaign ,heard from some of his warrior's an emery chief had being killed ,but the body was left behind ,he proclaimed he wanted to eat the brain of that chief and sent his warriors to collect it ,but the body had being removed by that chiefs people.
If the actions of 900 maori cannot be held against all maori then the actions of a couple of thousand white men 180+ years ago cannot be held against roughly 3.2 million white people now
@TuiPolitics what I was meaning was an inallagy by saying that we rightly shouldn't blame,guilt or demonize all maori for the actions of 900 when those 900 attacked the mori ori I was using the same example re the treaty & land stealing I was saying that 3.2 million white kiwis shouldn't be blamed, guilted or demonized for the actions of afew thousand over land stealing 180+ years ago sorry should have messaged it clearer
Again noone is saying that. Noone is calling for white people in general fo apologize. They are calling for the nz government to uphold the treaty that they signed and are bound to
Every race has bad buggers and there is stuff still happening to this very day by bad pakeha to maori. Crime right now. The smoke and mirrors hides it and portrays Maori as bludgers and wingers. Youll remember my words one day and think to yourself- OH this is what she meant, I never Knew I was never told. Until then , Maori dont hold any nz citizens accountable at all the treaty is with the crown. Not Indians , Chinese , only Maori and the Crown Corporation.
The part of this video I thought was good. The part where it explains the maoiri were subdevided into many tribes with different customs, practices and politics. The part of this video I don't like, where it pretends the two tribes or Iwi or the Maoiri were not still collectively politically responsible for the massacre, enslavement and cannabalism of Moriori. Ngati Matunga and Ngati Tama, were both known for their feirce fighting capabilities, viciousness and were known for practicing cannabalism in warfare. My understanding is that there are second hand sources, describing the cannabalism of slaves taken from the raids of these iwi against the maoiri with the help of europeans. By not saying who is responsible, the video fails to accomplish one of its main goals, of proving the maoiri people's collective innocents, a terrible crime was perpetrated, and one party is found innocent, you don't prove that innocence by imagining that all, including those who actually did perpetrate the crime were innocent. It is politically innocent not name the Iwi involved in the massacre, as many surviving Moriori today are of mixed ancestry with them. But just like we don't absolve white slave masters of their rape of black slaves in america, there is no reason for political convenience to not mention who perpetrated these crimes.
do you mean to say that modern people are responsible for the deeds of their ancestors? do you hold modern germans responsible for the actions of the nazis?
@@angerycamel2 ok my apologies, the part I misunderstood was “where it pretends the two iwi were not still responsible” - I thought you meant “are” still responsible. Yes more information about the people who did this and why would place the blame securely on them, and not on their descendants or on other iwi who had no involvement.
maori were the first people besides animals to set foot in nz early 1300 century, moriori arrived after maori and developed their own society in the chatham islands late 1400 early 1500, makes sense maori weren't aware of the moriori, theres a whole video explaning why we chose not to inhabit those areas as they were isolated etc. We are all aware of what happened in 1835, but its not like maori today are trying to occupy the chatham islands, aswell as its the maori communitys jobs to make ammends with the moriori people, but heres the thing we still fighting for land that we did occupy once upon time.
I think your introduction was incorrect. The settlers brought many wonderful things, such as trade, rail, telegraph, roads, medicine, warm blankets, houses etc etc and there was a TREATY which most tribes signed, in return for peace, when the Treaty was signed, thousands of Maori slaves were set free,
Also the treaty is not standing as of today it is supposed to be a legal binding agreement, which our government and the crown does not practice or stand by today. I love this country and hope for the best.
Explain then the Moriori artafacts on mainland NZ , such as the carving that appears at the start of the te mangi pahu ads . A figure 9 with fingers as a plume, nothing like maaori carving.
Morioris - peaceful people were cabbibalised, enslaved by the next lot of immigrants the Maoris. Next lot of immigrants were the British, there were wars and eventually a Treaty was signed. Maori ceded to be equal subjects under the Crown, which also meant no more warring between different tribes. Equal rights under the Crown and for all who would come to call NZ home. The Morioris were not protected in the Chattham Islands, for many years. Blame primarily goes to the Maoris who did not follow the new law/Crown, equal subjects. They are responsible for their actions, their own racial prejudice to the Morioris, in the coming years is what led to the demise of the Moriori people. Very tragic. Lucky for the Maoris that the English were not cannibals and enslaved them.
this is total nonsense sorry. moriori lived _only_ in the chatham islands. maori were the first people in new zealand. after europeans arrived they then "discovered" moriori in the chathams around 1790AD. a group of maori warriors, whose people had been displaced from their home in taranaki, took a british ship to the chathams in 1835, to take the land and people there. those warriors were the people who committed the slaughter and genocide. the treaty of waitangi was signed after that, and that gave protection to the moriori in the chatham islands as new zealand subjects. for decades, the government didn't protect them from slavery, and even awarded moriori lands to their invaders. back in mainland nz the british/maori wars didn't even start until after the treaty was signed. i recommend reading the te ara online encyclopedia entry for moriori, ref maui solomon and denise davis.
More fairyrtales just like moriori spining thier lies..... they are Maori if you think about it they didnt by devine intervention become peaceful non violent people the size of the land dictAted thAt.
@@eeeaten that they are not Maori..... yet they have 2 marae and a pou (Maori)thier waka and Tupuna named are Te reo as the language used only has a slite difference and the futher you go back it reverts back to te reo archeologist have concluded settlement of NZ by Maori at 1200 ad and chattems 1500ad
@@rewirapana941 i guess it depends what your definition of "maori" is? some iwi maori reject that label because they think it implies colonisation or acquiescence to the crown. genetically all eastern polynesians (including hawaiians, tahitians, cook islanders, maori, moriori) are the same. i don't know if moriori really reject their ancestral ties with maori?
As a Māori woman Ive known for years that Moriori still lived and were treated badly not from my own iwi but two Māori iwi - get your facts right. It is sad but true what happened to Moriori I hope one day the Moriori people will be able to reclaim what is theirs and rewrite their narratives themselves from their own not by Māori, Pākehā, New Zealanders - their own people, their own knowledge, reo. Moriori, are the indigenous peoples of Rēkohu and Rangihaute (Pitt Island), with their own unique language (70 percent of our surviving re Moriori differs from te reo Māori) history and traditions.
Maoris always consider themselvs as one entity when it is to their advantage. But as soon as there is something negative....no no. That was those other maoris. 😂😂😂
It was mostly a peaceful settlement until powerful southern chiefs backed the King movement... a rejection of the Queen's sovereignty [the treaty]. Europeans then had to establish law and order by force.
@@eeeaten The holocaust of the musket wars [inter-tribal warfare] was the two decades before the signing of the Treaty [the Treaty largely bought those wars to an end]. The King movement started a decade and a half after the Treaty [ a rejection of Brit sovereignty by central North Island tribes].
@@davethewave7248 yes, that's in line with what i said above. your first comment implied it was peaceful until after the king movement. most violence occurred before the king movement. i guess you mean british-maori relations were mostly peaceful until after the coronation of the maori king?
@@eeeaten Yes, roughly speaking there was a break in the violence between 1840 - and the mid 1850s. Before 1840, the most massive violence in the inter-tribal musket wars... and after the mid 1850s... violence increasinbly built between Maori and Europeans.... an opportunity lost, where the increasing tension culminated in the NZ wars. It's interesting that most of the focus on NZ history is with the Treaty and the subsequent wars between Europeans and Maori... whent the earlier two decades of musket wars between the Maori tribes is absolutely pivotal to understanding NZ history. It contextualizes, and provides a background for, the treaty and subsequent settlement.
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the Maori must pay reparations to the Moriori for enslaving and colonizing Moriori indigenous people
Missed the whole part where we're not a monolith, huh? Try actually going after the Iwi that did it instead of just attacking us as a race
by your logic all europeans are also responsible for the actions of the nazis
@@eeeatenby your logic, the maori must apologize for cannibalizing and genociding the mariori
@@rayenamarir5764 no, that's your logic, lumping all people of an ethnic group in together. by my logic dutch people are not responsible for the actions of the nazis, because even though they are ethnically much the same as germans, they had nothing to do with those actions. likewise by my logic, ngai tahu or other iwi maori had nothing to do with the actions of ngati mutunga/ngati tama warriors are therefore not responsible for those actions.
so who do you think should apologise for events of nearly 200 years ago? who should apologise for the actions of the nazis? do you understand?
@@eeeaten well I have a question, should the government of NZ apologize to the maori people
The irony of saying dont blame all Maori, yet globally white people are blamed for slavery in general when everyone did it. People like objects could be traded. Everyone alive today needs to appreciate the long life and opportunity we all have compared to our ancestors and stop claiming we are owed something because of what one dead group did to another dead group. We are a new group, new souls, not them.
Because yall were at fault please tell me when any indigenous nation was a superpower and started voyaging to others lands and bringing diseases to them along with invasive pest ill wait.
@@NUCLEARNIRVANA999 practically all of us have slaver (and slave) ancestors. not sure what you're saying here.
As long as we repel the repetition of such practices and help amend the consequences of this past, decreasing inequality, I'm good with what you propose.
However, that's not what we see today. What we see it's the resurgence of racist discourse all over the world. Especially in rich and "developed" countries, which should be leading the banning of racism, inequality, famine, war and so on. Especially because for many years they declared themselves as civilized and advanced nations.
Every advanced and civilized culture should understand that there should exist greater goals rather than tribal conflict and annihilation.
Perhaps the Mariori were this advanced group of people, just too ahead of their time.
@@LeafarR1657 i'm not convinced that we say any resurgence in racism or racist discourse. what does that look like? in developed countries everyone knows race doesn't make people superior or inferior, and laws protect people against discrimination by ethnicity.
I think the difference between white people and Maori is that we didn't stay, also ngati mutunga and ngati tama were commissioned by the colonial govt - so it only came about bc of pakeha.
Also there were two branches of moriori, the one brother went to te Urewera on the east coast of the north island. From there we branched out and intermingled W more recent waves of Maori. The other brother settled on rekohu the chatams and never left. The mainland moriori are still very much present and alive, and so are the rekohu moriori.
So perhaps pakeha can get on a high horse about the moriori slaughter by nagti mutunga and ngati tama when they go back to where they come from. Then they can cast stones. Pakeha have stayed firm in the places they colonised, ngati mutunga and ngati tama were only commissioned by the govt of the time to explore if the chatams or rekohu were fit for European settlement. It wasn't. They decided to turn it into a prison for east coast Maori (at the time unbeknownst to pakeha, these people were actually moriori.) during the rebel wars, which really the intent of that was to take the interior (waikaremoana) so the east coast could be more open for European settlement.
Saying that there was no cannibalism among the tribes of all of those islands is like denying there was slavery in Africa
does he say there was no cannibalism?
No one ever said that
Phew glad you cleared that up. I was about to say that's not what happened. Moriori and proud.
The ability to look and listen to the information given is very heartfelt . Respect to all people who are hunting and trying to find the truth about the ancestors, historians have nothing much but bones and dust to wipe abrush , much Aroha (love)and respect to all Maori and Mori ori people ❤
Maori have NEVER disputed the claim that mori ori were here first infact its a ghosts argument that has been designed to further invoke a phony contridiction towards the Maori people hence giving the colonizer a justified stand point to being invaders here an continuing to portray there disguisting outlook on human beings as a whole...people have to remember Maori did not loose the battles in being colonized this disguisting act here is what the invaders have to resort to to combat the war theyre obviously still fighting...slander at the heart of a people
@@Mr_Riffman08You need to use more positive words and have optimism about your self. Nobody likes the hate in your talk. You can still part a message to people in a uplifting manner. ✨️
@@senseisaitama8684 yep agreed I made the mistake of assuming this here was another attempt at slandering my peoples History without even watching it,never in a million years would I actually think there was anybody out there trying to reverse the I'll informed education bred against my people in the world I totally jumped the gun and went wild with it.. I'm man enough to admit it tho and If anybody paid attention to how dispicable this colonization truely is I'm sure someone out there could see past the mistakes and understand the hateful manner..not pretty but does colonialism have a pretty side?
@@Mr_Riffman08 couldn't help yourself could ya? Blah blah blah colonization blah! What did Maori do before Europeans arrived here? The stronger factions "COLONIZED" the weaker factions. Just as all other factions of human beings from around the world do. Unfortunately it's in all humans nature. Colonize that.
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NZ history was basically glossed over at NZ schools even in the 70s and 80s. And what was taught was totally inadequate and grossly inaccurate. But unfortunately even this revised history is politically charged
All history is politically charged. The version you correctly say was inadequate and inaccurate was the product of a much more politically driven process. Spend a bit of time looking into modern historical method development since 1900 to see how academia has tried to reduce bias of various forms.
I'm a new Zealander living in Ireland, I've got no interest in returning as my country has turned Asian, good luck new Zealand
@@user-uy6uc5ey5q bullshit
history is written by the victory
@@user-uy6uc5ey5q My schooling was in the 1950s, 60s plus I had the "schooling" from family and relatives that went back a very long way, essentially to the 1820s for Pakeha, longer for Maori family. I was brought up knowing Te Reo and customs. I still see little wrong with it overall and if you are properly "schooled" you consider multiple points of view and make your own conclusions, after doing your own reading and questioning.
I once argued with the Head of my High School's Science Department over a statement that didn't seem reasonable. I asked my dad, he said prove it in a 3 month experiment aided by his colleagues in NZ's best agricultural research establishment who gave me everything necessary to do so. I did. I proved her statement wrong and verified by NZ's best but realistically, I spent 3 months of effort to prove she was wrong but not by very much!
I have learnt many things in life, the first is that you cannot change the past, only learn lessons.
Second, I recall the "last Moriori" either by newspaper, radio, Newsreel or TV. I can't recall the name, just the speech and his image. A sad thing. Maybe his name was Solomon? As child, I remember his anguish, a last survivor, his people brutalised and dead, the culture gone. The sadness of a man.
Third, the English were terrible as imperialistic power in the 1800s but the Maori were no better. Maori were probably worse to other Maori in tribal aggression that the English settlers were but yes, when the Crown went to war, well it was war of conquest, Might is Right and often the Crown armed Maori to subdue other Maori.
Fourth, NZ Academia is quite sick, lacking perspective, heavily, heavily influenced and captured by a restricted narrative. Essentially biased and uncritical, an industry of self-serving nonsense crafted to perpetuate a mis-truth equally as bad as the English Crown did 100 years ago that was also mindless, wrongful propaganda. This is inevitable when there is no accountability and politics prevail.
Personal note, I worked in NZ Tertiary Education funding and read or listened to advocacy statements of intent, queried some points that didn't seem right, had my very respected, authoritive Maori co-worker launch into a "highly critical analysis" that left no doubt that they were talking absolute nonsense. Not her actually dismissive words that she used!
Personal note2, I was brought up to be analytical, scientific, consider everything, to question, frequently to swap sides to articulate the opposition's view. I simply reject anyone "telling" me what the truth is. I prefer facts.
Lastly, WTF is it that Kiwis demand to use the same flag as Aussies! NZ is no longer a "Protectorate" administered by NSW. Kiwis rejected Australian Commonwealth Statehood in 1901 essentially because NZ was proudly bi-cultural while Australia denied "black" indigenous Aussies the Vote, was basically racist!
NZ needs its own flag, the English Crown is nothing but a nod to the past. Everyone in the World knows NZ as the little country with a big voice and a black flag,
Enough said!
The truth is the moaris treated the Moriori very badly and wiped them out. All we are getting now is excuses even to the extent we Whites are responsible for the genocide of the Moriori. There needs to be an apology and compensation from the Taranaki moaris tribes for the carnage they caused on the Chathams.
first, the word is "Māori". That's the correct spelling in English, let alone in Te Reo.
Second everyone with Moriori descent also has either Ngāti Tama, Ngāti Mutunga or Ngāti Toa (who aren't technically a Taranaki iwi by the way) blood in them as well and the two communities like everyone on the Chathams are so intermingled at this stage essentially you'd have all chatham islanders basically paying and apologising to themselves. Obviously absurd.
The reason why on other claims in NZ are settled with apology and compensation is because the Crown and Government are the same entities under whose authority and power the confiscation happened.
As the invasion happened in 1835 the crown ( and therefore the legal system) has zero ability decide or enforce anything to do with the events.
Lastly regarding European responsibility, suggest look into the full details of the voyages of the Sydney registered Rodney, the ship which transported the 3 iwi from Wellington to the Chathams. While its possible to believe the first trip across, the officers and crew of the Rodney were unaware of the purpose of the trip, there was a second trip they made which took reinforcements across and they certainly knew on this voyage what they were helping to do. There certainly a shared part moral responsibility by the crew of the Rodney then followed by the Colonial authorities in Sydney and London who failed to hold the Rodney crew to account for their support of the invasion.
@@user-uy6uc5ey5q And following the logic of your first paragraph - given the extreme inter-marriage of Māori with later settlers - at this stage essentially you have all New Zealanders basically paying and apologising to themselves. Obviously absurd.
Māori should start a revolution its happening everywhere where the British empire invaded
Bit of an own goal there
@@user-uy6uc5ey5q thank you for bringing up the Rodney. Sometimes it feels as though no one else is willing to acknowledge this very real aspect of the occupation of rekohu, I'm pretty sure one of the reasons they went over there too was to see if it was fit for European settlement but the conditions were too harsh for them to survive also, so to me it kind of feels as though those two hapu were commissioned by the govt aswell.
The Chatham island genocide happened in 1835... hardly 200 years ago.
Same with the south island, aside from.the strongholds. got their guns and thought they were tough,
Come on dude it's been 190 years so you might as well say 200 years ago
I can't even watch this. You talk way too fast, slur, improperly pronounce words and the sound quality is horrendous
66 years after Europeans first arrived.
Apparently they were being pushed out of their lands… 🤷🏾♂️ pretty strange they use this as a smear campaign
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From what I've read the Moriori man that documented the language also kept a record of all those eaten by the Maori which amounted to almost a quarter of the post enslavement population. I was also in school with a Moriori in the early 80s and he was away from school for several months for land claims which were unsuccessful handed to Maori claimants.
@tsa3b who wer thy attacked by?
@tsa3bok whats the relation?
@tsa3b what you are claiming about maori attacking moriori on the nz mainland is nonsense that was debunked a hundred years ago. moriori were/are the people of the chatham islands, and were not attacked until 1835.
@tsa3b ok sorry you're right, i misread your post. i'm sure some earlier arrivals were displaced by later arrivals, but there are few stories if that happening. generally there was little conflict in the first few hundred years, as evidenced by the lack of pa-building until later. the people who attacked moriori were themselves displaced by waikato maori who had access to guns. when guns arrived inter-tribal warfare really took off.
@tsa3b what events and time frame are you talking about?
Wish they teach about the history of the Moriori's in schools here in NZ.
why, they need to strengthen the Māori culture first.
Geeess!!! I thought they would have done that sounds different because in the Torres strait, Thursday Island this was a report in our history lesson at primary school and High school back in the 70s and 80s very interesting thank you ☺️👍.
I was and it was all lies
i was taught in primary school in the 70s that Moriori were overcome from the two main islands of new zealand by maori and yes eaten by maori.
@@aischaparker9471 Yes, correct very sad.
If it is unacceptable to blame Maori for what happened to the Moriori then it is also unacceptable to blame current Pakeha for what happened 150 years ago.
Whilst what you say makes perfect common sense. Leftist politicians will find it very inconvenient and ignore it.
You are correct. It's wrong to blame others for the actions commited by others.
However, alot of pakeha refuse to acknowledge maori grievances and tell us we benefitted from colonialism without acknowledging that it was in fact done w the betterment of Europeans not maori. To improve their quality of life not ours and the systems still set in place to this day still benefits pakeha more than any other people (not just maori). When educated on matters if contention, it's often viewed from pakeha as blaming present day people. Were often told the British were better options than the Spanish or french, when in reality it was just as bad - no more or less. In the early 2000s i was sent to detention numerous times for simply correcting a teacher about maori history and also about the endeavours of cook (like how gisborne wasn't his first point of contact w maori, but Waikawa in mahia better known as Portland island. He was intimidated by what he perceived as warriors on Waikawa - they were tohunga and Waikawa was a school for tohunga. So he headed over to gisborne kidnapped young boys, got them drunk, molested them and tried to bargain their return to gisborne for food and goods. Contrary to popular belief this didn't happen by the port, but by the beach near the warehouse in gisborne. The Maori did not give him anything, hence the name 'poverty bay'. Apparently this didn't align w what was taught in school so I was punished.) The rape of children in the wairarapa and hawkes bay to help farmers 'landlock' maori assets. I can go on for awhile, but don't feel like it as most people don't want to hear it BC it doesn't fit their narrative. They say we would have roads, midwives, hospitals, teachers, schools etc. When we already had our own variant of all the stated examples above. It's quite sad really.
I wouldn't say I blame present day pakeha, but often enlightenment is seen as confrontational to those that are happy w blind ignorance. I've had to tell maori family to chill out w how aggressive they get as it really won't help get the message across, and I've also had to do the same for pakeha family members. I have my own mother an earful for calling what she perceived as strangers in our town as tourists - I was disgusted as the girl she pointed out she used to take care of as a child and she was my friends little sister and is just a fair skinned maori BC her dad is white, her mum is actually my mother's aunty. And the boys family were farmers in the area for awhile and I was friends w his older brother. My mother hated it and tried to kick me out of my own car, BC I need to learnt i respect my mother😂 equally so I've had the displeasure of trying to correct my white partner's family on their ways and views but this is falling on deaf ears and they keep playing victim. They race bait and then throw snide comments and hideous stares or just refuse to talk after correction or enlightenment. I told them not to sweat it BC obviously their ancestors weren't the industrious folk that colonised NZ, but rather just British common folk. However his lastname does descend from a pretty well known colonial figure, but I can't judge when my ancestor was the ammunition dealer for the landwars, so he provided the bullets that were fired at both sides. His actions aren't my family's, but I always bring it up as acknowledgement to the raruraru caused for all people involved. I always make it known while in his day he was seen as good, I personally don't agree and will apologise to any descendants that knows their family tree or whakapapa BC it's just the right thing to do. It'd be abit different if I didn't know those facts about my lineage like most pakeha, but I won't feign ignorance just to make myself feel better. I think it's good to be able to acknowledge but distance yourself from the shackles of taking responsibility for someone else's actions. If I retained assets or land acquired through deception or squatting by my ancestor, I'd action the process to get it transferred but ask for perhaps a 10-20 year grace period to move off the said land or return the assets to the rightful owners so I could have an opportunity to get my affairs in order and so my family could all come and say their goodbyes to where we made memories and then id take the time to educate them on why the return is necessary. As it stands we've had to transfer a few maori land titles to the right owners anyways BC of admin errors when it was originally divvied up - I don't feel as though my family lost out on those land parcels as it'd be wrong to keep it from the rightful owners while we're still crying in our corner about unreturned land. This isn't blame, but rather doing what's right from wrong. I'd do it for pakeha too if we went over to Britain and colonised it and took what was rightfully the Britishs assets, Id give it all back without expecting payment if they allowed for the grace period.
if people of today: who i have met; behave as do with colonialistic attitudes of yesterdays; bringing it into today and tomorrows, there lies the stain.
The concept that the land has a price and that we own it is far from anything maori tanga.
What you are doing when you "buy" a parcel of land is you are paying for the right to use the land plus any "improvements" that are done t or placed on the land. The land always belongs to New Zealand.
If you were to "buy" a parcel of leasehold land the price is usually split into two parts. The first part is the unimproved value the second part is for any development and or buildings.
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11:40 "The actions of 900 Māori in 1935 cannot be held against all Māori now." Agreed. Can we say the same about the actions of Europeans arriving in Aotearoa in the 1800s?
no of course not. can we expect the government to address the inequalities that resulted from generations of land theft and colonisation? absolutely.
you're missing the point bud
The Moris may have been better conservationists,too,but I guess well never know.
@@mateopribyl9218 who else is going to pay for it? if a group of new zealanders is disproportionately disadvantaged because of the government's actions, isn't it the responsibility of all new zealanders to address it? even if a group was not affected by the government's actions we would expect to use tax money to help them. for example if we had a group of ukranian refugees come to nz we would expect to support them to overcome their disadvantages, no?
@@mateopribyl9218 do you mean how does a government support ukranian refugees to overcome their disadvantages? i'd say they would provide welfare in the short term, targeted health, education and employment programs in the longer term. sound reasonable?
or maybe you meant how does a government address inequalities caused by land thefts? to start with, by setting up a tribunal to manage reparations and the return of land that is not in private ownership. by fostering mana motuhake and pride in culture and language so the disenfranchised people can be proud of being maori rather than seeing it as a disability. by highlighting and promoting maori positivity and success. how would you do it?
Moriori are the indigenous people of Australia. Same race, described and also same descriptions as the Tasmanian aboriginals. Peaceful Dark race of people with reddish hair.
The last of the moriori had been interbred with the modern day Maori. Hence why when put on the Chatham Islands they didn’t survive they thrived, with political and ceremonial connection to land. Art is also identical to aboriginal art in Australia.
DNA shows they are distant related, common living systems and probable arrival in New Zealand was via the 3 week sea voyage, or less in a storm with a tailwind.
lol, no
Moriori are indigenous to the Chatham Islands. They are their own people with their own language and customs. The two tribes from Taranaki Ngati Tama and Ngati Mutunga invaded, slaughtered, cannibalised and enslaved these peace loving people. Maui Soloman is the grandson of the last full blooded Moriori Tommy Soloman, he talks about what happened to his people it's a must read for anyone that's interested just look up Maui Soloman. Kia Kaha to my brothers and sisters in the Chathams ❤️
Moriori WERE INDIGENOUS to the Islands know officially since the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi, as New Zealand.
They WERE CHASED TO the Chatham Islands, where they eventually perished as a race.
They CANNOT BE your "brothers and sisters" you send greetings of "Kia Kaha" to, and we must assume that you are a Maori and are sending greetings to Maoris that may be on the Chatham Islands now.
Homie there are still Moriori to this day. A simple Google would help or you know you could just watch the video
@@TuiPolitics The Moriori of today are not full blooded Moriori, they are part Moriori and part something else.
The scientific definition of extinction is when there are no full blooded specimens of the race or species left alive.
A simple Google would have let you know before you made the video.
And another point that you may find interesting:
I am part Moriori and know my history very well.
You sound like you're educated but spilling false information. I know their are no full blooded Moriori now but like I said the last full blooded Moriori was Tommy Soloman who passed in 1933 his bloodline still lives on through his children and many others that survived during that time, even if it's a drop of blood they're still Moriori and FYI their are still Moriori alive and kicking my sister in laws being some of them. You seriously need to chill. Kia kaha my brothers and sisters ❤
Moriori are
Maori dna proved this
Bro the closets migration path that I can agree with to date based on DNA and archeological finds
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I am now retired, and have extensively investigated and studied the early history of tectonic plate movement and land/species/human development of both the Australian Plate, and Zelandia.
Documented evidence ( not opinionated statements ) of geological and biological events show the original humans that inhabited the lands formed on these plates are inter-related with DNA and recorded carbon dating. ( notwithstanding that carbon dating is only indicative of time periods, not directly factual )
The last surviving full blooded Moriori underwent exhaustive and comprehensive biological tests prior to his death in 1967, and a resulting TVNZ Documentary showed the DNA comparisons with the Aborigines of Australia, and all the Polynesian Island peoples, including Hawaii and Taiwan.
This included taking a Maori male from the Rotorua Iwi to Taiwan and introducing him to a woman who he immediately thought upon seeing her, was that she was his "twin sister".
The DNA matching was 99%.
Documented factual historical records in Taiwan show that a migration from the highlands ( where this woman lived ) of an entire village by waka rafts to the Solomon Islands, Papua New Guinea, Samoa, Fiji etc were met with severe battles and forced withdrawals by the Taiwanese natives, and eventually they landed at an uninhabited island they named "Aotea".
This island is still called Aotea, as well as being called "Great Barrier Island" in english, and is in what is called the Hauraki Gulf.
The Maori are directly linked via DNA and their own migration voyage/s to modern day Taiwan, and the Moriori are directly linked via DNA and tribal warfare disputes with the Aboriginal migration in the NSW coastal encampments area. ( seafood hunters )
When Te Rapuha led his people down the South Island to claim it for himself, he found the remanent of the Moriori who had escaped from an earlier mass attack on them near Hamilton/Ragland, and quietly surrounded them at Kaitorere Spit, south of Banks Peninsular.
He attacked in the middle of the night, killed an estimated ( from Moriori records ) 90% mostly being women and children, and his warriors chased the last 10 % down to Timaru where they found that the Moriori survivors had put to sea in the large ocean going wind blown/paddled canoe outrigger craft.
(Drawings found in Sydney and on the Chatham Islands where they went to, show identical type long distance fishing craft )
The Maori Kaumatua at the Kaitotere Spit modern day fishing village called Birdlings Flat, an old and wise Maori elder by the name of "George" gave me a good account of his knowledge, took me to the exact spot ( he pointed to the fenced off area due to his reluctance to get any closer ) where the massacre and cannibalistic battle feast took place.
The Department of Conservation have fenced off the area, signs warn against entering and removing any artefacts now, and along with the collection of evidence that was in the Canterbury Museum, it is very easy to reject any notion that the Moriori were a "sub-tribe" of the Maoris.
Attempts have been made to coverup the evidence, including the prevention of inspection of the North Island massacre site
of the Moriori by the invading Maori, with that block of native bush being also put under DOC control.
Part of covering up evidence is to place tresspass orders on anyone who tries to investigate this topic, of which DOC has done to me.
I am not allowed on ANY DOC controlled land.
The truth is found by examination of evidence, and the truth is that the Moriori were the original humans on
"New Zealand", and NOT THE MAORIS.
The Maoris WERE THE FIRST humans on "Aotea" and then they invaded the actual North Island of "New Zealand" where the Moriori WERE LIVING FIRST.
ALL the evidence is DIRECTLY RELATED to these facts.
Anyone can make a video and get paid by TH-cam for advertising revenue based on numbers of views, "likes" and "subscribers", but NOBODY can change history.
And the last white person eaten by the Maoris was the young daughter of a missionary at Whakamarina, near Picton.
I will let you find out when that was.............
How can you argue against the European linguists who discovered that the mori ori share between 70 and 80% of the same vocabulary further reinforcing the european theory that the mori ori and Maori are the same. Apart from the language, the carvings, the way they prepared hangi, customs etc. I'm not a professional in this field by any means but I do read and research a lot. I've also researched my own Irish heritage.
@@ustorm9 1. The words are English, which replicate the sound used do describe them.
2. Maori still do not have their own written communications, the Moriori did.
3. Moriori women held as sex slaves by the Maori taught Maori children the Moriori language.
4. even today the different Maori tribes argue over how to pronounce their own named places.
5. A theory is just someone's opinion, and the theory you refer to would require the DNA testings done on everyone in the entire world to be wrong.
6. There is no similar comparisons whatsoever that can be made between anything these 2 races do, or did.
The entire existence of the Maori is that they are the greatest warriors in the world, and the Moriori was that they would welcome even the devil ( which they did ) with open arms.
There is even a rugby league team called the "Warriors" and watch the movie to see how they live in New Zealand today.
Do not believe anything anyone says, and that includes so-called university "experts" who read something, then write a book about it or make a TH-cam channel video.
They think that it makes them "important".
@@stephenprice-o6j I definitely won't believe anything anyone says including you. They are 100% Polynesian people and that's a fact. There are multiple professors who have dedicated their whole lives to this and you're telling me that now you're retired and have read a few things you're a specialist in this field. You're a comedian mate 🤣🤣🤣
@@ustorm9 A typical reaction from someone who has been confronted over their claims and cannot handle the truth.
Multiple professors also wasted their lives repeating another "professor" Charles Darwin"s theory on how an ape apparently
became a man after deciding he was not going to remain an ape.
( despite those "professors" all agreeing that a crossover from one species to another is atomically impossible )
No, I am not telling you or anyone else that I am retired and "...have read a few things" or that I am "...a specialist in this field..." either.
THAT is your incorrect opinion as a result of your incorrect TFAR processing ability, caused by your bad habit forming mentality obviously.
Only when you change your thought assessment capacity and break the bad habit of negativity will your life actually change, and only then will you actually be able to listen to facts, not fiction.
@@stephenprice-o6j Absolute rubbish. Maybe if you were qualified to speak on this matter might actually care about your opinion. So sorry mate, you have no authority and expertise to be in the know. 🤦
This school history must be very recent. No one from ages 60+ were ever told about Maori or Moriori history. We got English history with King Alfred and Robert the Bruce!
Im 60+ and i think i got a reasonable education of maoridom it taught us to respect the culture and i think all cultures .Gotta say the soundtrack to this vid i found very irritating but then im irritated by most soundtracks cant see the need for them .
At 80 we learnt all about early Maori history... Hongi Hika's musket wars, land wars the lot, we learnt that the Moriori had originally settled in the north and beaten down until they took refuge in the Chatham... so sometime between your education and mine they dropped off Maori history.
@@valeriehughes1008 As you've writing complete dribble here in lots of posts you didn't learn nothing. You're spouting far right propaganda.
@@user-uy6uc5ey5q NOPE BUDDY she is right we did get lots of maori history! I collect books & I STILL HAVE THEM >>They are much better than a lot of slanted drivel taught today! Why we have a prime minister who thinks you can change sex with paper!...... Not only did we learn we actually met some of the grandchildren of noted historical folks..but do not listen to me --I am just racist,homophobic ,misoginistic.rightwing conservative,closedminded,senile old coot.( but I got a hug rom Pixie Williams, slept with Te Puia, was friend with Honi Repohipi.shared fish & chips with Honi Tuwhari &oiled Major ROPATAS Sword!,)
@@user-uy6uc5ey5q I'm afraid it is you who is spouting activist propaganda... my family have been here since 1812, and lived and recorded our early history, they were amongst the first missionary linguist to give Maori their written language, they lived among many tribes and recorded their early tribal dialects and their histories... so to quote your badly worded prose "it is you who didn't learn nothing"! Don't rely on the newly created activists' sanitised version of your history - instead study every written document from our national archives - there is a wealth of material. The writings of Maori and the recordings of the crown alike. - then you can say you know history.
The tragic thing is that two Maori tribes sailed to the Chathams and slaughtered, cannabilised and enslaved a peace loving people, the Mori Ori. That is a historical fact, and no sugar coating by Maori can change that. Yes certainly not all Maori can be blamed for what occurred in the Chathams, it is solely the Maori tribes responsible for the massacre/enslavement. In 1842 New Zealand was a very newly formed colony of Great Britain. It is easy for some to point the finger at the government and say they should have intervened to protect the Mori Oris but the reality is that as with all new and fledging governments, they were just developing and it took time for them to tackle all the many big issues they were facing.
Not only were Moriori people in New Zealand long before Maori arrived but their is also evidence that a Celtic people were here long before Maori arrived. Maori were very cannibalistic, Mark Twain even commented on it and claimed to have partaken in a feast where the main course was a human being when he came to New Zealand in 1895.
1, the Celtic theory is based on one Celtic looking skeleton that no one has dated prior to 1250, its was probably a settler who died.
2. Did you watch the video? Read the Moriori settlement act, moriori were not on mainland nz. They may have been on the Chatham islands prior to Maori in nz but not on the mainland. This is historical fact that every politician party agreed on
I don't think you watched more than 30 seconds of the video! Moriori were not here first. They are polynesians who happened to settle in the Chatams.
Bollocks
@@TuiPolitics A number of stones unearthed when forming the Waipapa earth dam... and more found along the Waikato river had a language that appeared early Celt... they predated Maori... I myself saw them along with most of the village I lived in, they were photographed and many taken off to the Ak. Museum. My cousin a surveyor on the dam was fascinated with the fact that when climbing to inspect or construct trig stations he would find stone structures..predating Maori already established. Maori elders at the time said they belonged to the people who were here when they came.. the stones were unearthed in 1958. Possibly they link to the Raglan stones was the thought... others near Aratimuru were bulldozed into the Waikato but there are still surviving stones I am told. A lot of work was done researching the early navigational sites by a number of historians out of Ak University but as they were Govt. funded their funds were taken from them citing it was too sensitive to Maori...it is every kiwis right to know the origins of our first peoples.
@@TuiPolitics At 80 we were taught the Moriori first landed in the north and stone art found in the Kaipara is said to be theirs... held in Dargaville and some in Auckland museums... we were taught that they took refuge from Maori and settled in the Chathams. Some of the very early historians whose books that were studied dated 1880+ and I feel that they would have had an accurate picture of these people as it was only 45 years after the genocide of the Moriori... I take no value in the fact you say most politicians today agree that the Moriori only settled the Chatham Is as I doubt that any of them would have availed themselves of early history books (if they could find them) and historical crown records.
I came here to learn about New Zealand's history. Comments told me that we are in the endgame.
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The moral of the story is there is no such thing as indigenous people only the history of migration, conflict of cultures and human progress whether for good or bad.
No real historian or anthropologist would agree with the statement "there is no such thing as indigenous people"
@@TuiPoliticsistorians’ opinions on the matter don’t matter lmao; only anthropologists’ do and their is no such thing as indigenous people anthropologically or biologically. It is a political term. We are all from Africa and have all settled new lands and colonized other people.
@@TuiPolitics They dont have to agree with it in order for it to be true, the fact is, nothing here is ours, you just live on it until you die like everything else. The land was here long before us and will be here long after we're gone
@@TuiPolitics lol thts a non argument
False! You need to look up what indigenous actually means. Yes we all came from somewhere else originally, but in terms of colonialism there are such a thing as indigenous and who was there 1st! So doesn’t matter. Nice try to justify colonialism!
The crown would not have been able to act in 1842, there were a max of 10 000 pakeha total in nz. In addition, Te Tiriti was signed between the crown and Māori, not moriori and guarantees Māori their possessions which would have included slaves.
When the crown had security concerns in mainland nz it just ordered soldiers. In 1842 the Chathams were British territory, so moriori were subjects and therefore had a right to be protected from slavery.
My local library sold the book about Moriori by King so they could get rid of the history...I picked it up thank goodness...
@@chieftama1825 the moriori genocide could be considered tribal warfare (although there was no war, on group just attacked and slaughtered the other). but europeans did not do anything like this, let alone "worse at the time".
@@chieftama1825 Nah bro, the Maori were a race of savages who killed and ate a very large percentage of their own population. Hongi Hika sat at the base of a cliff for example at Ruapuke while an entire tribe was thrown off the top to smash next to him and cover himself in their blood/brains. This countries history has been murdered by the murderers in order to protect their egos. The Europeans saved the Maori from their own. Admittedly the weapons were given to them in full knowledge that they would commit such bloodshed on their own kind so some blame can be given to the English for fanning the flames of cannabilism.
@@chieftama1825 maori and moriori are completely different
after i forwarded my great aunt's name (jane hough) through to michael king: he interviewed her, noting info shared in his book but after interview i showed aunty a pic in a book she identified as herself as a child in moriori reserve even telling me names of most of those around her. this info: changed some of earlier dialogue shared in interview; as aunty continued with quite a bit of excitement sharing childhood memories, she said she had not to day we shared that day. thank you aunty jane.
Since ww2 we should be one as if the war was lost this conversation would not be happening and both European and Maroie people fort side by side to keeping NZ free one
Then the government at the time took the land of Maori soldiers and gave it to european born ones. When your on a history vid, expect people who know history. That was the entire reason why NZ gangs exist after all
Thank you so much for this video. I was one of the mis-informed. No longer. 👌👌🙏🙏❤❤
Trust me you are still misinformed. The 900 ?? Taranaki Iwi (who had been displaced by a Waikato Tribe led by Hone Hika - thats right they had their sacred lands stolen by another tribe) did not "sail the ship to the Chatham Islands". They hijacked it and forced the British crew to sail it there for them under the threat of death and being dinner. They absolutely 100% cannibalised some numbers of the enslaved Moriori this was well documented by eye witnesses, so I dont know why this guy is trying to cast doubt on that.
There’s a difficult balance to maintain between not subtracting agency from indigenous people and also avoiding the use of past injustices to justify present oppression or injustices. It seems obvious to me that this injustice was twisted by British colonizers in order to justify its own oppression. Divide and conquer, as they say.
Oral history in Taranaki tells of people that were already well settled before the arrival of Maori. Also mentions haast eagles in the kaitake ranges
Māori did not all arrive at once or from one island, but over many years. Obviously the later arrivals found people (also Māori) already here.
@tsa3b explained in my comment above
@@eeeaten ummm nope, you are wrong. The people that were already here were not like Maori, apparently, unless there is an error in the oral history
@@Yeahright666- obviously oral histories are not 100% accurate. Most cultures have stories of mythical creatures- you think they’re all real?
Haast lived din the Alps. It's the only place their remains have been found
Not fact guys, Moriori are still here, We are still here. Disgusting and as narrator states, "not provable"
Stop lying ur name says ur maori
Okay... course i am, and im moriori, and im bloody english and german as well.. @@rickrubin8049
Fark up @@rickrubin8049
Bro did you watch the whole video? That’s what he said.
@rickrubin8049 I think he's saying they mixed with each other and became an amalgamation. Just like the Berber or Amazigh of northern Africa some mixed or became Arabized when Arabs came to their land
Subbed bro! Really interesting topic so thankyou for shareing & producing this video!
moriori were eaten and had to run away to the chatham islands to get away from Maori. Fact: Maori were the only race in NZ history to commit genocide and slavery. None of the people who commited these acts are alive today so nobody is complicit. The only reason mainstream academia doesn't want to admit this is it takes away from the Maori's grievances with the english and therefore elite tribes claims against the state. Nobody should be held responsible for the sins of their forefathers. The treaty of waitangi should be settled ASAP forever and no futher claims given so that we can move on as a nation and stop with the idiocy of our situation being compared with Africans and American slavery, it's nothing even close to the same situation.
Well that isn't a fact... did you watch the video? Ask living Moriori like at the moriori trust. The moriori were the occupants of the Chatham islands, not mainland nz. That is the myth this video was made to counteract
@@TuiPolitics I don't believe stuff just because I read it on the internet. I'm willing to set the government made them sign something to explain away the unfortunate parts in exchange for a settlement. Lots of history has been rewritten to suit woke academics, we have been essentially conquered by Marxists from within.
Take off the tinfoil hat bro
@@TuiPolitics if you've been through the last couple years with media and academics straight up just lying or omitting facts and haven't caught on yet I'm afraid I can't help you. I'm not overly confident it won't continue when the next government comes in regardless of who it is.
There are written accounts of Taranaki Maori eating Moriori.
Why is it so hard for modern people to accept accounts of cannibalism?
All cultures are guilty of it at some stage.
The Māori arrived in New Zealand around the late 13th century, while the Moriori settled in the Chatham Islands approximately a century later, around the 14th century. Thus, the Māori established their presence in New Zealand before the Moriori arrived in their islands.
At the time of the invasion of the Chatham Islands in the 1830s, the British Crown had begun establishing its presence in New Zealand, but it was not yet fully established or in control of all regions. The British formally annexed New Zealand in 1840 with the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi. Prior to this, the British had some level of influence and presence, but their authority was not comprehensive or fully enforced throughout New Zealand or its surrounding territories like the Chatham Islands.
The Chatham Islands were not formally part of New Zealand at the time of the invasion. The British government and its representatives were aware of the situation, but their control and influence over such distant regions were limited. The invasion and subsequent treatment of the Moriori people were largely driven by local Māori iwi rather than direct British intervention or control.
Thank you for this for some reason I suddenly belong here in NZ outcast from my mother's natural island home Samoa seen as a person from outside of Samoa and even deported from Samoa back to NZ
In the unknown some things are best unsaid gives the mind peace to move forward and what do you do with this freedom is more important I reckon
Thank you for my freedom my forefathers my ancestors my brother's and my mother's mother always thinking of you all ❤❤❤
The myth goes something like this: that once upon a time, Aotearoa was home to a race of people called the Moriori. That the Moriori were primitive, inferior folk. And that eventually, when Māori arrived on these shores, they massacred, ate, and completely wiped out the Moriori people.
The myth was busted decades ago - yet it has persisted for generations.
Why?
Because it's convenient, according to Maui Solomon.
Solomon is the chair of Hokotehi Moriori Trust. He, alongside many others with Moriori hokopapa, has been fighting for correction of the historical record - and for a treaty settlement - since 1988.
And earlier this month, that settlement was finally signed, sealed and delivered.
"The reason [the myth of Moriori extinction] became so powerfully ingrained in the psyche of New Zealanders is because, if Māori could push Moriori out of NZ, then later European migrants could push Māori off their land,” he says.
"It suited the narrative, and it was a justification of European colonisation of Māori land."
so you agree with the video?
In late 1842, a small party consisting of Ngāti Mutunga and their Mōriori mōkai chartered a brig to sail southwest to the Auckland Islands. They sailed there due to the purchase of Rēkohu by the New Zealand Company in 1840-which obviously prohibited slavery due to the newly acquired lands now being held under New Zealand law. Matioro, a chief of the iwi, was reluctant to give up his slaves and had a skirmish with a French crew, which led to the decision that his people had to move elsewhere due to those pressures.
Upon reaching Auckland Island, Matioro began surveying the island. During this time, two of the chiefs who accompanied him on the journey to Auckland Island decided that the island was inhospitable for settlement and set sail before he returned. This left Matioro and his people stranded on the archipelago until March 1856.
Chatham Islands Moriori slaughtered by Maori Taranaki tribe. Common knowledge
The Moriori were actually known as the "peace civilisation of Waitaha" who have a 92 human generations connection to New Zealand, compared to the Maori claim to 38 human generations. Seen in "song of Waitaha" 1996, by Barry Brailsford, as their "secret oral transmission".
The Invasion of the Chatham Islands in 1835 by Maori in 1835, began with the boning out of the flesh of a 12 year old girl and hanging her flesh on the village entry post, to indicate that a very well practised cannibalism ritual was underway. Her only fault was to help heal the invading Maori cannibals back to health after a near death sea voyage from Taranaki.
Which is how these Maori cannibals got to hold the "fake news" "native title in New Zealand".
Māori were the first people of nz. Brailsford is a notorious kook. Māori did not attack moriori until 1835.
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My Aunty's name is Tui. She used to send me Tiwi often. I am not sure if she was MoriOri as I only met her once at a family gathering. A song we sing is called 'Listen'. After that I found voices many coming through from water, air, wind, and people which has been a bit overwhelming. I apologise if stories have been confused. I know her grand daughter resides in the North Island with my Uncle so perhaps she holds her stories in that place. As a part of a choir we sang a couple of Maori songs, Island, Taihitian, Takalou, Fijian songs to strengthen 'wahu' connection to stories. A>Marie
It doesnt help that for some unknown reason NZ govt are sucking up big time to Maori. So yeah lets go along with all this version - fine. But calling Maori indigenous still isnt right. "Early settlers" is closer, but then the govt cant hand over so many unique rights to them. For me the big question is why do they want to?
The UNs definition of indigenous "Considering the diversity of indigenous peoples, an official definition of “indigenous” has not been adopted by
any UN-system body. Instead the system has developed a modern understanding of this term based on the
following:
• Self- identification as indigenous peoples at the individual level and accepted by the community as their
member.
• Historical continuity with pre-colonial and/or pre-settler societies
• Strong link to territories and surrounding natural resources
• Distinct social, economic or political systems
• Distinct language, culture and beliefs
• Form non-dominant groups of society
• Resolve to maintain and reproduce their ancestral environments and systems as distinctive peoples and
communitie
simple, GREED. Its only a minority of elite (Marxist) Maori who are making good money out of this coloniser guilt trip.
The UN is not a dictionary.
The dictionary definition of indigenous is, " born or originating in a country ; native. "
We are all indigenous or native as we were all born somewhere. But we all come from people groups who migrated, since the beginning of time.
Everyone of us is indigenous with an immigrant heritage.
@@jaspervanp2346an aristocratic society (britain) cuts a deal with an aristocratic society (moari) guess what the aristocrats win!
@@jaspervanp2346 Nothing says reasonable considered opinion more than far right propaganda insults.
By the way by political science terms you can't be an elite Marxist.Thats the reason why communist countries said they 'pre-marxist' societies.
Maori have always known the truth from the stories of maui, when he came to nz there were already people here. Its that 1% that want to keep it hidden to stay in "power" but the stories are always passed down through our families.
Why do you think they stopped the investigation of the Kaimanawa Wall?
That’s made up fantasy nonsense. The Kaimanawa wall is a natural formation. The first people of nz were the eastern Polynesian ancestors of Māori.
@@eeeaten you sound like another lost angry soul in the narrative.
@@jey369 it’s angry to state the facts now? This is just reality as per science and history. Your claims are mythology and conspiracy theories.
What facts where? Lol natural formation 🤣😂 eastern polynesian😂🤣
@@jey369 geologists have inspected the wall and concluded it’s a 300,000 year old ignimbrite. Is here any irrational nonsense you don’t believe?
The British are somehow responsible for Maori peoples actions pre-colonisation now are they. How are the British responsible for Taranaki Maori, who had been displaced off of their lands by an invasion from other Maori, who hijacked a ship named the Lord Rodney, sailed it to Chatham Islands, then underttook a genocidal take over of those Islands, where the Maori ritualistically killed and enslaved the Moriori. The Maori later stating "We took possession... in accordance with our customs and we caught all the people. Not one escaped....." The invaders ritually killed some 10% of the population, a ritual that included staking out women and children on the beach and leaving them to die in great pain over several days.
The Moriori genocide is the deadliest in human history, when measured by percentage of the victim peoples killed, 95%. The Maori are the guilty party not the British.
How again is it that the British were at fault for this? How are the British responsible for the violent and savage culture and actions of the Maori? This video is one of the most deceptive re writings of history I have come across. Maori loved to make war and kill each other, but it's the British who are at fault for being peace to New Zealand and allowing all future Maori to live without fear of being enslaved and eaten by other Maori, as had occurred since time immemorial. How dare the British supress such long standing Maori cultural tradition.
You have misunderstood. The British were not responsible for what those attackers did, they were responsible for their inaction after slavery was banned in nz, and for failing to protect their moriori subjects. The attackers were responsible for what the attackers did.
If it’s true, then the Māori should apologise to the peaceful Moriori people.
Which Māori people should apologise?
@@eeeaten the tribes who genocided them
@@RadenYohanesGunawan should modern germans apologise for the actions of the nazis? The people who did those things are long dead.
@@eeeaten by your logic… so are the Brits that currently occupying NZ? Come on.
@@RadenYohanesGunawan don’t see your point. Do you mean why did the government apologise if the attackers did not? Again those people are long dead. The government remains as an entity.
Thankyou for providing this very important and factual expose' on the Moriori peoples. The Moriori Claims Settlement Act 2021 is very important to clarify historical accounts and redress grievances. I am pleased to see that the Act addresses land issues. I am also pleased to see the Moriori Iwi's, culture and language are returning. It would have been a terrible tragedy to have lost this peaceful peoples culture. I was also told by my mother the false story about Morioris having been all eaten by the Maori and that they were a smaller people. My wife and I are both Maori and we both appreciate when Crown can acknowledge wrongs and work towards redressing legitimate grievances.
I hope you're still doing your video on the history of Te Pāti Māori .
Its in the works. Haven't worked on it in a while, hard to find motivation. Will hopefully be my next video
@@TuiPolitics Can't wait, Te Pāti Māori is the party in parliament I know the least about so it'll be cool to see how it came to be
Simple history for you.
Some Maoris decided to ignore the Human Rights Act of New Zealand, plus the United Nations International Convention on Human Rights, that makes racist actions an offence, and they setup a Maoris only political party, of which led to several Maoris getting seats in the New Zealand Parliament.
They have not even got their own written language, use the English alphabet letters in a hashed up manner, and don't even know the basic
workings of a democratic society.
But wait, there's more.
They sided with the Labour Political Party, got handouts and promises of "co-governance" from them, and the Maori "language" being given to every single thing in New Zealand that is written in English.
As well as that, they got to change New Zealand's name without a democratic vote, which is necessary under New Zealand, British, United Nations LAWS.
HOWEVER, the Maori Party, the Labour Party, and the Green Party, are ALL HISTORY.
THEY HAVE ALL BEEN FIRED.
The new Political Parties that will govern NEW ZEALAND are going to CHANGE EVERYTHING BACK to what it was, should be, and WILL BE.
A group of New Zealand Lawyers are preparing
a Legal Claim against the racist "Te Pati Maori" Political Party, to be lodged in the Hague, with damages sought being in the multi-millions of NZD.
A Court Order for the dissolvement of this racist organisation, and all the other racist Maori only Organisations, is also being sought.
Not the type of publicity that they were hoping for, but any publicity is good publicity, isn't it ?
And so far as their "signage" ?
Maybe it's time they came up with their own written "signage" for the sounds that they make for things that they want to communicate to others, instead of stealing the English written language.
@@stephenprice-o6j Take a shower, bro and touch grass
@@stephenprice-o6j Woah, pump the brakes on the ignorant racism, dude
The Morioroi are a cautionary tale that pacifism is a bad idea. There is also a really stupid idea going around that all cultures are somehow of equal value.
What is pacifism?
Yeah no mention of those Māori ancestors who traveled here by (hau)
Air,bringing with them special (Taunga)
Extinguished air (heirlooms)
No mention of Moriori ever having them. And if so where.
Turangawaewae
my grandfather, selwyn east, used to travel to the chathams and worked on tommy soloman's teeth. fortunately, he was a qualified dentist
what makes a person moriori or maori? wheres the difference
A complete different culture. This is as if you are saying what is the difference between a Tongan and Samoan
Like Nga Puhi to Te Arawa???😂😂😂
@TuiPolitics Actually Moriori speak Maori just in a different dialect. They are the same people, obviously time on chattam changes the cultures a very small amount. Not enough to say they are a complete new culture. DNA does not lie, Maori and MoriOri are one in the same 😂. So sad to see lies being regurgitated, this is what perpetuates racism and hate.
@@TuiPoliticsGood video. Thanks for the effort.
The difference is genetic.
Absolutely mum side of the family are decedents of the Moriori and is from the Chatham Islands
Mis-information from the start I couldn't even continue pass 45 seconds. Moriori are indigenous to Wharekauri or Chatham Islands not Aotearoa New Zealand.
The chatham Islands are in nz
@@TuiPolitics according to the demograph today but back in those days Wharekauri or Rēkohu the Moriori name for it did not come under the colonised umbrella of NZ
@@YIUDUUB you should watch the video. the misconception is stated then refuted.
@@eeeaten I read your comment so I watched it and yes, it's a great video. I was blinded by my tiresome anger of constant Māori bashing that I turned it off as soon as I heard the statement of Moriori being first peoples of Aotearoa. Well done @TuiPolitics your work is thorough and well presented. Mauri Ora
@@YIUDUUB Keep ignoring the factual data including the Maori Chiefs own words that were recorded when they spoke to the British Parliament, when they went there to see the "British Empire" that they had been invited to join, AS ONE RACE OF PEOPLE, not as a lot of warring tribes.
Where do you think the "Treaty" idea originated from ?
It was suggested as a way for ALL MAORIS to join with the British to run New Zealand, as ONE PEOPLE !!!
WAKE UP !!!
White people do this towards the Amerindians saying that the Vikings were wiped out by the Indians, or that the southern Bantus were oppressing and killing the Khoisan, and here to 🤔
It is SO great that you made this video!
So little of NZ history is known by most Kiwis, as you mentioned, school curricula is often hit and miss when it comes to accuracy and the persistence of lies can really scare people away from learning or even talking about the Moriori. Keep up the great work!
I for one remember reading a Wikipedia page in like 2020 and seeing Moriori accompany Māori in this section about languages of New Zealand and being shocked that there even was another language spoken here pre-Tasman.
The misrepresentations that circulate about the cannibalism and the slavery as well as the use of said misrepresentations to delegitimize Māori's attempts to attain equal status to Europeans is really gross and if it weren't for you making this video, bullshit like that would have a monopoly on content teaching the history of the Moriori so again, thank you very much for this and I look forward to seeing your future content.
The human genome study found that the Mauri were descended from the New Guinea male DNA and Japanese matriarchal DNA. The science is settled.
But the grammar is angry!
The science is NEVER settled.
That fact that you utter such nonsense tells anyone with a functioning brain that you have no understanding of what science is.
Science is never settled. That saying is total rubbish presented by the snake oil salesmen.
what a load pf crap🤣
Japanese matrilineal lineage all the way in the south Pacific?? Sounds very unlikely to me.
So I've watched the whole video. Even if there wasn't any cannibalism committed against the Moriori by those invading Taranaki Maori tribes, at the end of the day, it was still those Maori tribes who invaded, murdered and enslaved the Moriori, not white settlers or the colonial govt. (This all happened in the 1830s before the treaty of Waitangi when there was no colonial govt in NZ anyway.) So today, the colonial govt gets blamed for the plight of the Moriori???... even though they weren't the ones who committed this atrocity in the first place and in fact, that same colonial govt later on, DID ban the enslavement of Moriori by the Maoris. So why then, does the colonial govt get all the blame for what happened to the Moriori and not those Maori Iwi who actually committed the atrocity?? Why did the current NZ govt apologise for what happened to the Moriori (Even though the NZ govt had nothing to do with it.) While the descendents of those Taranaki Maori Iwi whose ancestors DID commit the atrocity, were NOT called upon to apologise for what happened?
The thing is the government allowed slavery to happen in their country because they didn't care. Then they gave away their land due to incompetence
The nz government didn’t apologise for what happened to moriori but for the part they played in it. After 1840 they had a responsibility to protect moriori from slavery, they didn’t. In the 1870s the government awarded moriori lands to Māori, so today the government apologises for that error.
Sure, the Crown didn't end the enslavement of Moriori and force the Maori to release them until 1863. But at least they did THAT, albeit rather late. So, if it hadn't been for the British colonial authorities, the Moriori would have never been released from slavery at all. And who invaded, murdered and enslaved the Moriori in the first place?? Seems to me, that it was those Taranaki Iwi who were most culpable for what happened, so why haven't their descendants been called upon to apologise for what their ancestors did?? I've studied the historical accounts of what happened in the Chathams in 1835 and it was horrific. I noticed in those parliamentary readings in your video, how the politicians tend to gloss over the sheer levels of savagery of the Maori invasion of the Chathams. Worse than anything the British ever did in NZ. Andrew Little even referring to it as "settlement" by the Maori. Please.
@@andy2550 do you hold modern Germans responsible for the acts of the nazis?
Heres a fact maori were here before moriori, we settled here in 1300, they settled in the chatham islands a century later.
No, fake fact
@@flakcannon722 moriori were occupying the chatham islands in the 1500s maoris were already in nz during the 1300s lol, considering the chatham islands are far away it would seem that would be the last place to be occupied.
@@flakcannon722 stop spreading misinformation and considering the chatham islands are apart of nz now lol.
@@flakcannon722 wheres your proof?
@@flakcannon722 I know my shit bruh, i whakapa directly to ranghaeta who was te rauparahas nephew lol whom his dad was te kawa and his mother te wharepouri sister of te rauparaha. I know my shit bruh my bloods thicker than majority of maori. Ngahoata Te Ramapiupiu go look that shit up.
So those pits found in the Tararua Ranges full of cooked human remains weren't found and covered by the national news at the time?
Got a source for that? Or is it just "trust me bro"
Maori were driven to the chatham islands because of british powers, hence they stole a british ship, tell the whole truth not just parts.
not exactly true. the two iwi who went to the chathams to attack moriori were ngati mutunga and ngati tama. they were displaced from their taranaki homelands by waikato maori, not by the british. the british did bring guns into the country, and that enabled waikato maori to attack taranaki iwi, so i guess you could say "because of the british", but it was not the british who displaced them.
@@eeeaten that is what i meant, i was gonna point waikato out but i didnt want to lol, hence why i dont respect kiingitanga lol, i can get down to the nitty gritty but yeah, Im a te ramapiupiu but most know me as a ngahoata, Ngahoata Te Ramapiupiu was brother to Ngati Te Ramapiupiu who was titokowarus wife, but ngahoata te ramapiupiu married hinerangi who was daughter of rangihaeta and hine kura, rangihaeta was te rauparahas nephew lol. rangiahaeta was the son of te kawa whom married te rauparahas sister.
@@Breezeyy kia ora, i grew up near patea, down the road from kuranui paa. it's been a long time since i heard these names.
What a load of absolute hogwash !!!
They hijacked the ship off the coast during a coastal navigation and forced the Captain to sail out there SO THAT THEY COULD MURDER THE MORIORI WHO HAD ESCAPED THERE !!!
YOU are a classic example of someone who believes absolute crap lies !!!
There is evidence, however contentious, that there was a culture that preceded the Moriori.
No there isn't
Prove it!
I think it is time for a dna study of each tribe to find their origins... the Ngai Hou have had their dna tested and as their own genealogy handed down 92 generations told them they came from Persia and they predated Kupe. They like Moriori were not signatory to the treaty as they were all but wiped out during the *musket wars* ...still some descendants survive today they have been badly treated and even had their land taken off them in a treaty settlement and given to Maori who had slaughtered and eaten so many of them... this needs to be put right and they need to get their land back... a small group brought land themselves. Another East Coast tribe found their origins were Taiwain. It would be very beneficial once and for all we were able to prove where each tribe came from originally and this can be done very easily done today.... including Moriori. Relying on handed down myths it no longer good enough.... one of the reasons why the musket wars raged is that they all had different languages and customs. *1820 Hongi Hika started the musket wars with 300 muskets .... he had traded 2 ship loads of gifts from King George IV. He had not been able to get the King to give him muskets so he did the next best thing... on returning home to NZ he traded these gifts with Andrew Snowden a first fleet felon who had gained his ticket of leave and had a trading post of sorts (Paramatta NSW)... Snowden gave Hika his guns! The Kings gifts were well sort in the colony of NSW... Hika returned home to start the musket wars which raged for 20 years and wiped out 1/3 of the Maori population.
Your ignorance here is just astonishing.
You don't test DNA to work out ancient ethic background, but use maternal RNA dummy. Thats the testing they done from lots of different Māori iwi (and Polynesians in the pacific as wel) tracing back to ingenious Taiwanese groups.
It would also be extremely difficult to isolate ancient Persian RNA as it was a very ethnically diverse empire and Persian culture itself was mostly a land based culture till the took over the eastern mediterranean societies of the Phoenicians, Greeks and Egyptians, who almost exclusively crewed Persian vessels, which we know would have been unable to reach Australia let alone the much more challenging sea conditions to make it to Aotearoa.
Stop spouting unscientific nonsense.
Who is Ngai Hou and who are the other east coast tribe u speak of ???,descendents of Maui Tikitiki A Taranga arrived here some 2500 years ago most east coast tribes whakapapa back to him as for the muskets war they were given by pakeha for the purpose of divide and rule a great british military plan executed not only here but all over the world moriori settled chatham island not nz
Nice try but no Polynesian came from Persia/Middle East or Africa! Afrocentric, and Pakeha BS propaganda to lay claims to cultures that isn’t theirs. No Persian ships ever reached Polynesia let alone Aotearoa. DNA (humans, animals and crops/plants), linguistic, and archeological evidence doesn’t lie! The ancestors of all Polynesians can be traced back to one single Igorot woman in the Philippines, the ground zero of Austronesian expansion into the Pacific, on the maternal side X thousands of years ago. We have been in the Philippines as far back as 4000 years. At least that’s how far they have carbonated our tattoo tools!
I wonder where you got that idea from @@darrylwikohika9068 ? muskets were an expensive item...NOBODY GAVE THEM AWAY!! certainly not "the great british military"!.... anyhow the brits were interested in TRADE not simply fighting wars to get land....that came much later when improved hygiene allowed more kids to survive ..as it does in ALL places where health education is introduced. If you try to understand history you will find the first job of the evil colonists was to establish PEACE!! ..yes bad stuff happened also as tribal folks who did not "fit in" with the new establishment conflicted. Many ,in some cases all local maori took up new practices , even labouring enabled many to have a better life, but yes there was discrimination. Cast social layers are a usual thing in most societies its not just an english custom! A maori taken prisoner became a slave & was worked hard if they had skills they were valued but still a slave! The past was crap don't try to recreate it live well today!
Also known as the potato wars because the more productive potato allowed for more time away from gardening, which gave more time for campaigning.
A Celtic/Viking Named Ski Possible found this Country first with his wife Pa, they had Three kids Tama,Hine,and Pu, a.k.a Papatuanuku. Even Mori 'ori ori desend from Orin all father. So Mori 'ori ori are Celtic/Viking As well. So When the Mori 'ori ori Chief named Homie e Married a decent of Ski's named Hui e, they Had a Son Named Titi Tiki Tiki Te Kahu Mori 'ori ori Ski Maui Ri Nga Taranga Taiki ea a.k.a Maui. Then Maui's Kids and Mokos refur to themselves as Maori tell this Day.
more like, no government party wants to deal with the huge mess that acknowledging moriori were first people on NZ
because that's not true. it was made up by percy smith. he has fooled you.
Or, ya know, they understand the archaeologists and historians have done the work.
@@AholeAtheistAre these the same historians that are black washing history elsewhere?
Mainland NZ is maori and the chatham islands are moriori, Are we gonna leave out the fact that maori stole a british ship? maori were slaves at the same time?
Don't forget who the bad guy is, it's not the Maori
News from the Rotorua Daily Post:
"Child, 2, dies after Rotorua driveway accident, family member steals from doctor trying to save child's life." As hospital staff tried to save the life of a 2-year-old boy run over in a Rotorua driveway, a family member swiped a doctor's two phones and a bank card and went on a spending spree. The child died a short time later but Melissa Herewini (A MAORI) had already taken the bank card to four stores in Rotorua and bought alcohol, food, petrol, phone credit and cigarettes.
@@ourpeople-g7r So you paint a random criminal as normal, while ignoring the millions who aren't. That's certainly racist. Should I then paint the hundreds of thousands of pakeha criminals as example of the rest of the millions? No? Cause that would be racist. Like you
maori where here before them tho?
Can someone explain to me how on earth a group of Polynesians sail on such long routes past the warmer greener mainland that they must've encountered first on the way, only to pick a harsh low on resource small group of Islands 800kms off the coast of NZ, also in a time period which PREDATES the arrival of Maoris to mainland by 200-300 years??? I have looked extensively into the history of Mori-ori and I always run into this discrepancy. Even though the Mori-ori themselves tell that Chatham Islands have always been their home, I still feel that this story does not add-up at all and there could be an agreement to make this story official in the best interest of all parties, regardless of what the truth actual is.
As i see in the previous comments here, someone mentioned, hundreds of artifacts found on Wakanui Beach, north of the Ashburton River that are believed to belong to Mori-ori, I feel like there's an attempt to push for the a narrative that pleases the Maoris and makes it easier to settle the Mori-ori in their own homeland, a the same time the govt avoids opening a can of worms in relation to claims to mainland NZ by a group other than Maori outside the treaty of Waitangi.
Firstly the nz mainland is not on the way from hawaiki, it’s actually further to the west from there. Secondly the evidence suggests moriori ancestry (maybe all of it) is from mainland New Zealand, from the same peoples as Maori. Around 1250AD the eastern Polynesian ancestors of Maori (and moriori) started arriving in nz. Around 1400-1500AD a group went from nz to the Chathams and became culturally distinct from Maori there. It’s possible other ancestors arrived direct from hawaiki.
What doesn't make sense to me is that the mori ori share between 70 - 80% of the same vocabulary as Kai Tahu. Notwhich reinforces that European linguists were right. Mori ori and Maori are from the same line. Although being separated some time ago
@@ustorm9 why is that confusing?
@@eeeaten I correct myself. I was confused but will confirm this makes me understand things a lot better. The mori ori and Maori are one in the same. Same customs, language etc.
@chieftama1825
Tena koe Chief.
Maori is a fairly recent term of description in the histories of nz.
Many varied tribes traveled here over many centuries from many varied embarkation spots.
These tribes weren't all the same, they had unique ancestry. Some pacifist, some warlike.
The islands known now as NZ was the melting pot of these tribes through interbreeding, conquest, and genocide pre europeans arrival. Some tribes disappeared completely, stories and whakapapa gone. The early term "maori" was created as a result to differentiate from europeans with their very different life and culture style.
Unfortunately most history is written by the conquerors, "maori" or european. This is then entrenched through education, treaties, censorship and deception. Truthful intentions are also easily put on the wrong tangents through innocent use of wrong information. Truth is an individual pursuit as it involves putting ego to the side.
Just my current thoughts on this fascinating topic.
only one side of the story when the other side have been wiped out or eaten
Did you watch the video? There are living moriori telling their tales
Te rongomaiwhenua is the correct name of the Moriori sailed directly to Rekohu Chathams...and never set foot in Aotearoa ....iwi from the Taranaki area were purposely shipped to Rekohu and left there before they made their mind up to stay...the iwi from the Taranaki area were wanting to settle the south island..but were persuaded to have a look at the Chathams.. there was no invasion ...the Moriori had new arrivals from Aotearoa in the 1600s who married and battled against the locals ..and the Moriori became the same people as the iwi living in Aotearoa..different dialects but same whakapapa...
When were iwi from taranaki shipped to rekohu?
@@boltang what? When?
the story is online@@eeeaten
Ngati mutunga .
So on the 19 November 1835, no one hijacked the European ship Lord Rodney?
The book on the Moriori I read that was written by Maoriori stated they were the same as mainland Maori.
To hold the modern Maori to account for the enslavement of the Moriori would be wrong... The same should then be said for EVERYONE who lives here now.
Now one is saying pakeha should be blamed for the settlement of nz. The argument is we have to follow the agreement made in the treaty and as a society we should make up for past wrongs, such as racist laws that have allowed pakeha to succeed but allow Maori and other polynesians to fail in every measurement of success
@@TuiPolitics why other polynesians ? they did not sign anything??
Because the Government has taken actions and inactions that has lead to many groups being disadvantaged in this country. There is a reason why Maori and Pacific islanders are less educated, poorer and more likely to go to jail. It is decades of public policy that has made our society so uneven. It's more than just the treaty
@@TuiPolitics genuine question, what are the racist laws we currently have that are not allowing Maori to have any measure of success?
It isn't about what laws are currently on the books, it is about the laws and the society we lived in a few decades ago. Changing laws to make everyone equal doesn't just fix everything. To badly quote MLK "Extraordinary discrimination cannot be solve without Extraordinary representations".
Most wealth in this country is inherited, and legal discrimination made it so malri were less likely to go to university, less likely to own a home, more likely to go to prison, more likely to die before collecting super.
Facts. Maori were the people here when Europeans arrived and signed a treaty with them. Thats all that matters.
the fact is they were the only people in new zealand until cook's arrival in 1769
@barneyboy2008 yeah. in terms of the treaty, people from all sides of politics need to realise that the history of whether or not maori's were the first peoples of NZ is irrelevant (although it does seem to be the case that they were). The reality is, the British signed a treaty with the Maori's because neither side could win, and that contract between the crown and the Maori needs to be respected and upheld.
Yeah but it turns out that Maori had no authority to sign a treaty as the land was actually owned by the Moriori people .
@@stewatparkpark2933 nope. moriori lived only on the chatham islands, which were annexed by the british government in 1842, therefore the treaty covered the chathams from that point onwards.
So you are saying the Māori are settlers so then that means they are colonizer’s? For years the Māori denied the morioir existed, how does anyone know the Māori were on the main islands first and not the Moriori and that the Māori chased the Moriori away or killed who were on the main land?
Didn't watch the video, huh? Maybe do that first
@ what give you the idea I didn’t watch the video?
@@riknik05 science shows maori were the first people in nz, moriori were the first (and very similar) people of the chathams. they were not attacked there until 1835, after european arrival.
@ science also shows that is not true and depends on who you believe, how do you know they were never attacked where you there? Chances are they were attacked considering how aggressive Māori were. How do you know Moriori weren’t on the mainland first and chased away?
@@riknik05 To colonize, there needs to be a people for you to colonize. There have been no remains, pots, or any other man-made items found. They had no myths about Maori or any people's outside hawaiki. I believe THEM and the evidence, which hasn't had a single iota to support your idea.
Awesome video very in-depth always curious about the moriori
Good video. Keep up the good work
i was in primary frm 2000 onwards. bro no cap no one talked about Moriori people at all in school? And if they did? they were wiped off the face of the earth and/or were just mythical beings like the taniwha & what not? thats so buzzy. first time ever hearing this.
Weird, I went to school at the same time and we got nearly this exact same explanation, but I was a south Island kid and there's a bit of traffic from the chathams.
Ite people trying to tell our stories and culture ,yet they don't even know there's 😂😂😂
they have no history, the only they got is stealing other peoples history.
I'll remember this vid next time I need to show someone what' up
Sounds like a rewrite of history to me.
Did you disagree with something in the video?
@eeeaten are we meant to believe the government when it was the government that told the first set of lies?
@@GlassGenius what lie? what are you talking about? science, evidence and history show what happened.
@@GlassGenius No, you believe the dozens of scientists, historians and researchers who spent thousands of hours combing through records, examining bodies and adhering to the scientific method. People like that Moon guy who fake their results always get caught out
how did so many people in the comments miss the point 😭 did they even watch the video????
Bias is a hard thing to break. Almost impossible when it's wrapped up in racism.
Maori dont want to know.....always tried to hush their genocide up...
pakeha are the ones always covering their shit under the carpet everywhere they go. did you forget about the genicide pakeha men did to the Maori women and little 12 year old little girls at Parehaka that time? or do you wanna just blain Maori for everything? what a clown lol
So how did the Moriori become to be in the South Island of NZ? The story the Māori eat the Moriori is a Maori story. It was only a group of Maori warriors that were eating humans and they were eating other Maori as well this gave them strength .
Moriori came to the mainland after Europeans were here, after the invasion of the Chatham islands. I encourage you to read the moriori settlement act, it's in the description of the video
Talk to me we still here
Could use please stop telling bullshit
@@TuiPolitics Europeans are johnny come lately
Maori had many reasons for consuming human flesh One main one was it destroyed the mana/spirit of the victim ,also making the bones into cooking utensils' was another way to destroy mana/sprit of the victim as well. Mana was everything to the Maori people it can be gained and destroyed . What little actual witnessed cannibal feasts that happened ,it was noted in one feast of a human body the heart was separated ,I think a chief would get to eat that .Hone Hiki on a Rotorua campaign ,heard from some of his warrior's an emery chief had being killed ,but the body was left behind ,he proclaimed he wanted to eat the brain of that chief and sent his warriors to collect it ,but the body had being removed by that chiefs people.
And this is why being peaceful is bed.
If the actions of 900 maori cannot be held against all maori then the actions of a couple of thousand white men 180+ years ago cannot be held against roughly 3.2 million white people now
Who's blaming white people now? The blame is with the Institution that is the NZ government/ crown
you sure seem confused there ian
@TuiPolitics what I was meaning was an inallagy by saying that we rightly shouldn't blame,guilt or demonize all maori for the actions of 900 when those 900 attacked the mori ori
I was using the same example re the treaty & land stealing I was saying that 3.2 million white kiwis shouldn't be blamed, guilted or demonized for the actions of afew thousand over land stealing 180+ years ago sorry should have messaged it clearer
Again noone is saying that. Noone is calling for white people in general fo apologize. They are calling for the nz government to uphold the treaty that they signed and are bound to
Every race has bad buggers and there is stuff still happening to this very day by bad pakeha to maori. Crime right now. The smoke and mirrors hides it and portrays Maori as bludgers and wingers. Youll remember my words one day and think to yourself- OH this is what she meant, I never Knew I was never told.
Until then , Maori dont hold any nz citizens accountable at all the treaty is with the crown. Not Indians , Chinese , only Maori and the Crown Corporation.
The part of this video I thought was good. The part where it explains the maoiri were subdevided into many tribes with different customs, practices and politics.
The part of this video I don't like, where it pretends the two tribes or Iwi or the Maoiri were not still collectively politically responsible for the massacre, enslavement and cannabalism of Moriori. Ngati Matunga and Ngati Tama, were both known for their feirce fighting capabilities, viciousness and were known for practicing cannabalism in warfare. My understanding is that there are second hand sources, describing the cannabalism of slaves taken from the raids of these iwi against the maoiri with the help of europeans. By not saying who is responsible, the video fails to accomplish one of its main goals, of proving the maoiri people's collective innocents, a terrible crime was perpetrated, and one party is found innocent, you don't prove that innocence by imagining that all, including those who actually did perpetrate the crime were innocent. It is politically innocent not name the Iwi involved in the massacre, as many surviving Moriori today are of mixed ancestry with them. But just like we don't absolve white slave masters of their rape of black slaves in america, there is no reason for political convenience to not mention who perpetrated these crimes.
do you mean to say that modern people are responsible for the deeds of their ancestors? do you hold modern germans responsible for the actions of the nazis?
no reread what I wrote.@@eeeaten
@@angerycamel2 ok my apologies, the part I misunderstood was “where it pretends the two iwi were not still responsible” - I thought you meant “are” still responsible. Yes more information about the people who did this and why would place the blame securely on them, and not on their descendants or on other iwi who had no involvement.
Moriori are from Chatham island, not New Zealand mainland, the Maori are the first Kiwis of mainland New Zealand.
Burial places in the Bay of Islands were mistakenly uncovered by a bulldozer to reveal giant bound up human skeletons that are pre Maori.
No, that is made up nonsense
Bullshit
maori were the first people besides animals to set foot in nz early 1300 century, moriori arrived after maori and developed their own society in the chatham islands late 1400 early 1500, makes sense maori weren't aware of the moriori, theres a whole video explaning why we chose not to inhabit those areas as they were isolated etc. We are all aware of what happened in 1835, but its not like maori today are trying to occupy the chatham islands, aswell as its the maori communitys jobs to make ammends with the moriori people, but heres the thing we still fighting for land that we did occupy once upon time.
Umm... Waitaha.
I think your introduction was incorrect. The settlers brought many wonderful things, such as trade, rail, telegraph, roads, medicine, warm blankets, houses etc etc and there was a TREATY which most tribes signed, in return for peace, when the Treaty was signed, thousands of Maori slaves were set free,
What was said that was incorrect?
Also the treaty is not standing as of today it is supposed to be a legal binding agreement, which our government and the crown does not practice or stand by today. I love this country and hope for the best.
Explain then the Moriori artafacts on mainland NZ , such as the carving that appears at the start of the te mangi pahu ads . A figure 9 with fingers as a plume, nothing like maaori carving.
And the celtic stone carvings and the Maori stories of pale red heads who were already on the islands when they arrived.
How come no one can produce them in the more than 20 years since that myth has been around?
Is there any proof offered? Anything tangable?
Of what?
Do you really claim a people were on an isolated island and not on the main islands...which they went through to get there?? .. please
what
Do you think boats can't go in different directions or something?
This is a hot potato subject ,should have turned off the comments ,going to get nasty and so many opinions on Moriori people .
Typical tankie comment
Dance monkey dance @@tedheath9018 Woke
@@tedheath9018 way to prove his point
@@tanepukenga1421 Proves nothing knobber.
@@tedheath9018 You literally proved his point by doing exactly what he said you would. You can cry all you want to, but it doesn't change reality
Morioris - peaceful people were cabbibalised, enslaved by the next lot of immigrants the Maoris.
Next lot of immigrants were the British, there were wars and eventually a Treaty was signed.
Maori ceded to be equal subjects under the Crown, which also meant no more warring between different tribes.
Equal rights under the Crown and for all who would come to call NZ home.
The Morioris were not protected in the Chattham Islands, for many years. Blame primarily goes to the Maoris who did not follow the new law/Crown, equal subjects. They are responsible for their actions, their own racial prejudice to the Morioris, in the coming years is what led to the demise of the Moriori people. Very tragic.
Lucky for the Maoris that the English were not cannibals and enslaved them.
this is total nonsense sorry. moriori lived _only_ in the chatham islands. maori were the first people in new zealand. after europeans arrived they then "discovered" moriori in the chathams around 1790AD. a group of maori warriors, whose people had been displaced from their home in taranaki, took a british ship to the chathams in 1835, to take the land and people there. those warriors were the people who committed the slaughter and genocide. the treaty of waitangi was signed after that, and that gave protection to the moriori in the chatham islands as new zealand subjects. for decades, the government didn't protect them from slavery, and even awarded moriori lands to their invaders. back in mainland nz the british/maori wars didn't even start until after the treaty was signed. i recommend reading the te ara online encyclopedia entry for moriori, ref maui solomon and denise davis.
More fairyrtales just like moriori spining thier lies..... they are Maori if you think about it they didnt by devine intervention become peaceful non violent people the size of the land dictAted thAt.
@@rewirapana941 sorry what point are you making? Moriori are liars? What lie?
@@eeeaten that they are not Maori..... yet they have 2 marae and a pou (Maori)thier waka and Tupuna named are Te reo as the language used only has a slite difference and the futher you go back it reverts back to te reo archeologist have concluded settlement of NZ by Maori at 1200 ad and chattems 1500ad
@@rewirapana941 i guess it depends what your definition of "maori" is? some iwi maori reject that label because they think it implies colonisation or acquiescence to the crown. genetically all eastern polynesians (including hawaiians, tahitians, cook islanders, maori, moriori) are the same. i don't know if moriori really reject their ancestral ties with maori?
There is nothing true in this video.
every race were cannibals at one time in History. Maori's weren't cannibals by nature, look at the europeans today, they're still eating people.
Bollocks where
@@malcolmhayward4431you have the Internet, so don't expect me to spoon feed you Information.
Doesnt happen, maori cope
so true, convenient memories when it suits
are you saying you disagreed with something in the video?
Are you going to do a clip on the children of the mist?
Do you mean tuhoe?
As a Māori woman Ive known for years that Moriori still lived and were treated badly not from my own iwi but two Māori iwi - get your facts right. It is sad but true what happened to Moriori I hope one day the Moriori people will be able to reclaim what is theirs and rewrite their narratives themselves from their own not by Māori, Pākehā, New Zealanders - their own people, their own knowledge, reo.
Moriori, are the indigenous peoples of Rēkohu and Rangihaute (Pitt Island), with their own unique language (70 percent of our surviving re Moriori differs from te reo Māori) history and traditions.
you are agreeing with the video
Maoris always consider themselvs as one entity when it is to their advantage. But as soon as there is something negative....no no. That was those other maoris. 😂😂😂
@@ourpeople-g7r vague racist nonsense. You have no clue.
It was mostly a peaceful settlement until powerful southern chiefs backed the King movement... a rejection of the Queen's sovereignty [the treaty]. Europeans then had to establish law and order by force.
?? The musket wars happened before the king movement
@@eeeaten The holocaust of the musket wars [inter-tribal warfare] was the two decades before the signing of the Treaty [the Treaty largely bought those wars to an end]. The King movement started a decade and a half after the Treaty [ a rejection of Brit sovereignty by central North Island tribes].
@@davethewave7248 yes, that's in line with what i said above. your first comment implied it was peaceful until after the king movement. most violence occurred before the king movement. i guess you mean british-maori relations were mostly peaceful until after the coronation of the maori king?
@@eeeaten Yes, roughly speaking there was a break in the violence between 1840 - and the mid 1850s. Before 1840, the most massive violence in the inter-tribal musket wars... and after the mid 1850s... violence increasinbly built between Maori and Europeans.... an opportunity lost, where the increasing tension culminated in the NZ wars. It's interesting that most of the focus on NZ history is with the Treaty and the subsequent wars between Europeans and Maori... whent the earlier two decades of musket wars between the Maori tribes is absolutely pivotal to understanding NZ history. It contextualizes, and provides a background for, the treaty and subsequent settlement.
"It's the Crown's fault", We keep hearing but actually it's a "taxpayer's money want".
obviously the crown is funded by taxes.
Did the crown give their land back?
Nope, only "parts" like with he rest of us.
Remember the Celts used to do human sacrifice and cannibalism too ...
Great little documentary.
It stirs interesting commentaries and dialogue.
Well done.