Pense pas ..... Même les vieilles civique sont encore vivante .... Là où les veille Mégane sont mortes donc.... Le jour où Renault arrivera la cheville de Honda .... Je revend ma Jap direct...par contre dommage que Honda ce soit séparé du vtec
Et bien il faudrait peut-être commencer par faire un chrono validé et en prenant les repères de la Megane Rs Trophy… sans point de comparaison impossible de savoir. Sur papier la Civic est avantagée mais le châssis de la Megane est redoutable
Ca a l'air très performant mais il y a des soucis de surchauffe de l'huile alors qu'il faisait 7°C et les suspensions semblent trop dur pour le nurburgring. L'ensemble est tout de même très attractif, moteur boite au top, bonne motricité et le design me plait.
This is not lift off oversteer. This is the result of incorrect alignment. Way too much toe-out in the front (or not enough toe in) is causing the front of the car to turn in too much and throwing the rear into a slide. This is not a desirable thing. Any good driver experiencing this would immediately want to abandon the lap and change alignment.
@@Bryce10011 The engineers made it like that stock. For whatever its worth, I drove a faithful rendition of the FL5 CTR in Assetto Corsa and it drives exactly like this. I was absolutely stunned by what a pleasure it was to enjoy such smooth, predictable, confidence inspiring, lift off oversteer (especially for corner entry) in such a balanced handling platform that is possible with a well tuned FWD. Truly blissful.
@@Bryce10011 Try editing again 😅 Any good keyboard warrior would know he INTENTIONALLY flicked and slid the car to get it to rotate. Even not knowing french I can read that the car is in stock configuration. I guess all the honda engineers don't know performance alignment. 🙄
@@nismo300zr2 My edit was correcting a misspelled word. I know that the description stated that the setup was factory - that doesn't mean that the alignment was good or correct for the track that he's on. If he "INTENTIONNALLY flicked" the car in that aggressively, then that is simply not good driving and that also does not constitute it to be lift-off oversteer. The rear end of the car is over-rotating on every single corner, on throttle or off. It's even doing it on highspeed sections with the throttle flat to the floor. It's plain to see that the toe is just not right for this road and his driving. Why are you even replying to my comment? You said nothing.
BROTHER! The way this car oversteers on limit made me respect both you as a driver and the work Honda’s engineers have been putting into their Type Rs lately! What a ride!
It's just his alignment. It's wrong for this track. Too much toe out (or not enough toe in) in the front is causing the front of the car to turn in too hard, throwing the rear out into a slide. It's not good driving. A good driver would immediately notice these bad things happening and want to change alignment.
@@Bryce10011 That's what i though too not a professional driving there just playing around with it but i wanna see the time on how fast it goes with proper driving, that Honda engine is a beast!
@@Bryce10011 are you a paid actor of a different car brand? How often do you want to repeat the same thing in the comment section over and over again?
@@viniciusledesma The people complaining don't seem to have checked the ambient temperature in the gauge cluster. It's between 6 to 10 degrees Celcius (40-50 degrees in Farhenheit) -- no wonder there is no rear tyre temp! Those are borderline temperatures for summer tyres. I'm sure in normal conditions, 25 degrees Celcius, the rear tyres would come in and it wouldn't be oversteering so much. Or the driver could pit and swap the nice warm front tyres to the rear for the next lap. 🙂
It's astonishing to see just how many people in the comments section don't know what clean go fast driving is. Show me one timed race format you see this kind of overdriven driving? None. Because it's slow and terrible driving ya bunch of clowns.
@@Vermonstered Exactly this how you literally don't drive and I have being watching motorsport racing all my life just carrying way to much speed in every corner causing the car to do that.
Tu sais qu une traction, en travers, tu peux laisser le volant au neutre, elle reviendra d elle même avec un peu de gaz. Fans la dernière vidéo Rasso ouest avec l essai de la Megane RS, Yann le démontre à un moment dans la vidéo. Pour perdre le contrôle d une traction, faut vraiment y mettre du sien.
Still the problems with high oil temps. You can see it is serious because the oil pressure goes down as well. Imagine you are driving in hot conditions in summer ...On the other hand nice driving, nice oem setup on the car.
Ça marche super fort je ne m'attendais pas à autant!! le comportement chassis à l'air très équilibré, stable et rassurant, mais elle se place superbement bien et enroule à merveille ! magique mais beaucoup trop cher élas.....
Very nice drive, I would say the fk8 record , 7:43 is possible with this fl5 car. I use my fl5 in invidual mode ,every Setting is R+ ,just the Suspension is comfort. I see ,here on the Nürburgring bumping in some Corners. Very nice driven 👌
PS4s on the rears really struggle with the traction, I guess you can't fire them up in those conditions on Nurbugring. Car looks so nicely balanced tho, controllable oversteer when lifting of and turning.
Enfin un vrai pilote sur le nurb !! Tenue de route superbe qui engage au lever de pied et n'ai pas traite au contre braquage, ça me rappelle la tenue de route de ma ZX et son train arrière autodirectionnel. Par contre, une Honda dont le moteur s'arrête à 7000 trs/min, ben c'est pas une Honda !!
Oui dans l'article lié à cet essai sur piste, le journaliste avait dit que les suspensions étaient beaucoup trop fermes pour un tracé aussi bosselé que le Nurb'.
You don't need RWD to induce oversteering. You can achieve it from the suspension setup. With a stiffer anti-roll bar in the back. I think this is the solution Honda employs on the FL5 CTR. It gives better/sharper turn-in.Yes it looks spectacular, fun but snapping like this on the public road is a crash waiting to happen. Even with my FK8 type R on twisty roads, driven a bit spirited and asphalt slightly moist(like in the video) I had some snap oversteering when going a bit downhill. I don't want to imagine what would have been in a FL5 CTR, it's really dangerous.
Bro pushed to next level limit. Though it was shaky (suspension not thay stiff), it was fully controlled. I think u can do below 8 seconds if track is not free. How crazy is ctr.
Quand certains disent que la Civic Type R n'est pas assez mobile de l'arrière... C'est qu'ils doivent juste hausser le rythme ! Personnellement je préfère une traction avec un train arrière costaud, car cela permet justement d'y aller franco en entrée de courbe.
dans les courbes elle ne bouge pas ya que dans le sinueux qu'elle est joueuse surtout à la décélération..mais des entre courbe à 180 ça ce fais le coude à la portière
A top tier driver showing the world how to drive, being both fast and entertaining, and people still think they have to teach him how to drive. What a world. Please show us in your next video how to do it better. I cannot wait.
Largus may not be the fastest way to drive but he alway shows the most fun way to drive . I love his nuts in the throat liftoff oversteering . 👍🇦🇺❤️ my favourite driver .👍🇦🇺
oil temperature close to 128 c but only 6 c outside temperature and only one lap. how will this look like in summer conditions with 30 c outside temperature and some more laps in a row? nice driving on the other side :-)
Probably the same, as every other stock car? Way too hot? I can't think of a stock car, out of supercar territory, that doesnt reach 120 degrees Oil on the climb from factory.
@@speedexperience1011 i agree, but probably less than 1% of BMW Ms, Audi RS' or AMGs are seeing actual use of their performance. Most are just shown off, with the occasional launch control in a crowded city Every Car i've used had a oil (and some even power steering-)cooler installed as first or second mod. Even the R8 V10 wasnt up for a full Nordschleife run without reaching 123 degrees 🥵
C'est pour ca qu'il faut toujours une huile adaptée au circuit type 10w60 ou autre mais qui tient les hautes températures sinon c'est casse moteur assurée
@@baptiste53240ablethis engine uses 3 synthetic oil types and all can withstand these temperatures. Example the 5W-20 is tested to perform from -35°C to over 150°C.
À votre avis, cette Civic Type R est elle une tueuse de Megane RS ? 🤔
Eh oui ! Comme tu es secoué, j'étais mort de rire. Mais t'as pas l'air d'avoir eu des pertes de grip...
Pense pas ..... Même les vieilles civique sont encore vivante .... Là où les veille Mégane sont mortes donc....
Le jour où Renault arrivera la cheville de Honda .... Je revend ma Jap direct...par contre dommage que Honda ce soit séparé du vtec
Et bien il faudrait peut-être commencer par faire un chrono validé et en prenant les repères de la Megane Rs Trophy… sans point de comparaison impossible de savoir. Sur papier la Civic est avantagée mais le châssis de la Megane est redoutable
Oui, c'en est une.
Ca a l'air très performant mais il y a des soucis de surchauffe de l'huile alors qu'il faisait 7°C et les suspensions semblent trop dur pour le nurburgring.
L'ensemble est tout de même très attractif, moteur boite au top, bonne motricité et le design me plait.
Lift-off oversteer in a front wheel drive. It's a beautiful sight to behold. Outstanding driving my good man. A joy to watch.
This is not lift off oversteer. This is the result of incorrect alignment. Way too much toe-out in the front (or not enough toe in) is causing the front of the car to turn in too much and throwing the rear into a slide. This is not a desirable thing. Any good driver experiencing this would immediately want to abandon the lap and change alignment.
@@Bryce10011 The engineers made it like that stock. For whatever its worth, I drove a faithful rendition of the FL5 CTR in Assetto Corsa and it drives exactly like this. I was absolutely stunned by what a pleasure it was to enjoy such smooth, predictable, confidence inspiring, lift off oversteer (especially for corner entry) in such a balanced handling platform that is possible with a well tuned FWD. Truly blissful.
@@Bryce10011 give it up mate. You sound like you have never tried to have fun in a front wheel drive car. Just stop.
@@Bryce10011 Try editing again 😅 Any good keyboard warrior would know he INTENTIONALLY flicked and slid the car to get it to rotate. Even not knowing french I can read that the car is in stock configuration. I guess all the honda engineers don't know performance alignment. 🙄
@@nismo300zr2 My edit was correcting a misspelled word. I know that the description stated that the setup was factory - that doesn't mean that the alignment was good or correct for the track that he's on. If he "INTENTIONNALLY flicked" the car in that aggressively, then that is simply not good driving and that also does not constitute it to be lift-off oversteer. The rear end of the car is over-rotating on every single corner, on throttle or off. It's even doing it on highspeed sections with the throttle flat to the floor. It's plain to see that the toe is just not right for this road and his driving. Why are you even replying to my comment? You said nothing.
We filmed the Wehrseifen slide from the outside: th-cam.com/users/shortsa0c3moe07ks
Thanks for that I saw that TH-cam short and read the comments to find this channel 😂
Thanks Misha for this nice outside view 😍
For a long time, i havent seen like this driving
Very smooth, very gentleman, know what he does.
Congratulations man...
BROTHER! The way this car oversteers on limit made me respect both you as a driver and the work Honda’s engineers have been putting into their Type Rs lately! What a ride!
It's just his alignment. It's wrong for this track. Too much toe out (or not enough toe in) in the front is causing the front of the car to turn in too hard, throwing the rear out into a slide. It's not good driving. A good driver would immediately notice these bad things happening and want to change alignment.
@@Bryce10011 That's what i though too not a professional driving there just playing around with it but i wanna see the time on how fast it goes with proper driving, that Honda engine is a beast!
@@Bryce10011 are you a paid actor of a different car brand? How often do you want to repeat the same thing in the comment section over and over again?
@@viniciusledesma The people complaining don't seem to have checked the ambient temperature in the gauge cluster. It's between 6 to 10 degrees Celcius (40-50 degrees in Farhenheit) -- no wonder there is no rear tyre temp! Those are borderline temperatures for summer tyres. I'm sure in normal conditions, 25 degrees Celcius, the rear tyres would come in and it wouldn't be oversteering so much. Or the driver could pit and swap the nice warm front tyres to the rear for the next lap. 🙂
Eine der absolut besten Runden, die ich je gesehen habe. Chapeau, ultra sauber und unfassbar gutes Gefühl für das Auto. Mega
Quel pilotage ! Bravo ! Le passage où ça contre-braque sévère, chapeau !
That third gear drift at 3:50 requires balls man.
Toujours aussi agréable à suivre tes essais. Encore bravo , à bientôt pour de nouvelles aventures.
This guy knows how to drive a FWD. I'm impressed. Such a smooth and clean driving style. Chapeau! 👌👌👌
Crazy how some of those corners it looked RWD drifting
@@wanglee21 CTR is very neutral so with lifting off you can get the back end to go out and oversteer
It's astonishing to see just how many people in the comments section don't know what clean go fast driving is. Show me one timed race format you see this kind of overdriven driving? None. Because it's slow and terrible driving ya bunch of clowns.
@@Vermonstered Exactly this how you literally don't drive and I have being watching motorsport racing all my life just carrying way to much speed in every corner causing the car to do that.
@@raikkonen804 My god do you people not know what fun is? The driver is clearly having fun sliding the car around. Not every lap has to be max attack!
Le talent du pilote qui exploite tout le potentiel de cette voiture 👍
Tu sais qu une traction, en travers, tu peux laisser le volant au neutre, elle reviendra d elle même avec un peu de gaz. Fans la dernière vidéo Rasso ouest avec l essai de la Megane RS, Yann le démontre à un moment dans la vidéo. Pour perdre le contrôle d une traction, faut vraiment y mettre du sien.
Le Mozart du Nürburgring a encore frappé 👀
Still the problems with high oil temps. You can see it is serious because the oil pressure goes down as well. Imagine you are driving in hot conditions in summer ...On the other hand nice driving, nice oem setup on the car.
Great driving!! Loved how you were purposely provoking the rear end to come around. You are very in tune with that car.👌🏽🔥🔥
Absolument magnifique
Comme d’hab à bloc
Quel coup de volant
Chapeau ❤
You really like to lift off oversteer 😅 That 3:48 min. save was top notch
You really dont race a fwd huh? THeres no 'save' when the oversteer is intentional and clearly controlled.
He flicked it to the right first then left to throw the weight to the right rise and make it kick out like that
@@nismo300zr2 intentional or not, you have to save it
I can't believe it, they somehow made a fwd hatch that can oversteer and drift
@@shivamarya5225 yeah no kidding. This thing almost doesn’t drive like an FWD.
Great video, awesome drive, what a car! The carousel looked bumpy in R mode 😬
Indeed. Everywhere is bumpy in R mode. 🙂
Honda "quality" product. Keep buying econo boxes with some coilovers and a suped up 4 cylinder and call it track ready lol
@@Pahang.bend17 tell me what’s better? I love these internet experts who don’t have a clue
He drove in +R, dampers are stiffer then.
@@gt-r9035 yep, I know that. I’ve got an FL5, my first track day tomorrow.
My great respect for this fast lap 👍👍
Love his drifting skill !! 😮🙌
Sacré pilote 😮👍👌
El mejor Max Verstappen 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Finally, a properly driven FL5.
wow the chassis balance looks amazing
Ça marche super fort je ne m'attendais pas à autant!! le comportement chassis à l'air très équilibré, stable et rassurant, mais elle se place superbement bien et enroule à merveille ! magique mais beaucoup trop cher élas.....
Very nice drive, I would say the fk8 record , 7:43 is possible with this fl5 car. I use my fl5 in invidual mode ,every Setting is R+ ,just the Suspension is comfort. I see ,here on the Nürburgring bumping in some Corners. Very nice driven 👌
Le mec derrière le volant gère vraiment, ça c'est du pilotage
PS4s on the rears really struggle with the traction, I guess you can't fire them up in those conditions on Nurbugring. Car looks so nicely balanced tho, controllable oversteer when lifting of and turning.
Ce talent ! 🥵 Félicitations une fois encore !
At the intro scene, Are he use the drifting to slow down the car to make that left turn ?
you are crazy. what an intense drive
Super coup de volant magnifique et merci , par moment on dirais des double corps (carburateur) vers 5700 tmn super auto
Nice! Good to see the car on the ring. Crazy how a FWD car can oversteer like that. Why do the flashers come on during that run?
The car´s sensors detect a risky situation and activate the flashers to warn the other drivers. For example, hard braking.
its just from hard breaking, every car has it sold in the EU market, dunno about North American safety standards tho
masterful rotation initiation 💪 i have to put shet tires on the back of my pulsar to get it that loose.
Enfin un vrai pilote sur le nurb !! Tenue de route superbe qui engage au lever de pied et n'ai pas traite au contre braquage, ça me rappelle la tenue de route de ma ZX et son train arrière autodirectionnel.
Par contre, une Honda dont le moteur s'arrête à 7000 trs/min, ben c'est pas une Honda !!
Quel pilote !!! ❤️
Je me lasserai jamais de ce coup de volant 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Bon Dieu, par contre qu’est-ce que ça sautille ?
Oui dans l'article lié à cet essai sur piste, le journaliste avait dit que les suspensions étaient beaucoup trop fermes pour un tracé aussi bosselé que le Nurb'.
Il aurait été judicieux de laisser l’amortisseur en confort pour le nurb 😁
R comme... "RHAAAA mais qu'est ce que ça fait mal au cuuuuuuuuuuuul ! lol
Max verstappen en el volante ✔️🔥🔥🔥
y'a du marsouinage 😆
You don't need RWD to induce oversteering. You can achieve it from the suspension setup. With a stiffer anti-roll bar in the back. I think this is the solution Honda employs on the FL5 CTR. It gives better/sharper turn-in.Yes it looks spectacular, fun but snapping like this on the public road is a crash waiting to happen. Even with my FK8 type R on twisty roads, driven a bit spirited and asphalt slightly moist(like in the video) I had some snap oversteering when going a bit downhill. I don't want to imagine what would have been in a FL5 CTR, it's really dangerous.
mom Honda has created another masterpiece. But I still prefer the naturally aspirated K20. congratulations to the driver who did a great lap
You have the life, a dream job!
Bro pushed to next level limit. Though it was shaky (suspension not thay stiff), it was fully controlled. I think u can do below 8 seconds if track is not free. How crazy is ctr.
merci .Mathieu
You made it look like easy. Insane
If at 7ºC Air temp it reached 127ºC oil temp, I think this Honda might have an issue with hot track days no?
2:46 u legend! instant like
Moi passager faut changer le siège...La vache, ça c'est du pilotage !
Awesome driving, look like fun!! 👍
Quel pilote 👌
What a car!, What a driver!
🥰🥰🥰👍👍un kiffe votre pilotage 😊
Thank you
What type did you use? Why the car keep sliding?
7:49 BTG, amazing drive with an amazing car.
Quand certains disent que la Civic Type R n'est pas assez mobile de l'arrière... C'est qu'ils doivent juste hausser le rythme !
Personnellement je préfère une traction avec un train arrière costaud, car cela permet justement d'y aller franco en entrée de courbe.
Sauf que sur le chrono, un mec qui maîtrise le train arrière baladeur, il ira plus vite que vous
Je confirme faut la brusquer
dans les courbes elle ne bouge pas ya que dans le sinueux qu'elle est joueuse surtout à la décélération..mais des entre courbe à 180 ça ce fais le coude à la portière
@@kayzenl7911
Pas encore croisé ce genre de mec... 😉
well done, sir! 👏🏻
Bravo!
Journaliste et au même temps pilote affûté! Chapeau...
Insane skills behind the wheel
Is this car really that oversteer-ish or was it because of the wet track?
"Little old lady owned car for sale. Single owner. Well maintained."
The car:
(fun lap - and I'm very glad the car is being used as intended)
One of few Civic Type R with rear wheel steering!
Uffff nice driving!!!
Terriblement efficace cette Honda Civic Type R 2023, le pilotage on sait tous déjà👍🏼, à voir en tour chronométré avec une Magane RS😋
Hi. Is this HUD with gear change indicator an OEM thing ? Thx
Yes it is 😉
How is the camber ?
Tnk you , nice nice , race driver❤
standard damping? looks pretty stiff/choppy at times !!
I saw the intro drift on Micha Charoudins channel haha
How fast was the lap???
PS4S ! Wow! You are amazing fast!
Awesome driving. Do you prefer this or the RS trophy?
Hard like a bone !
Elle me plait cette Honda Civic!
Good Work man👍
Awesome driving my guy! I hope I can get that good one day.
Foot cam any chance? Nice lap btw.
Didn´t know those seats could accommodate such huge balls
How long did FL5 take to complete a full lap?
Are they spec tires ?
So the new FL5 still have a bit of overheat problems
Un plaisir infini
Looking the turbo pressure let meg think it may have quite a big turbo. Golf R charges around 3 bar. This one around 1,20.😎 Really nice car😎
A better lap time would have resulted with less sliding. Smooth driving may look slower but always gets a better lap time!
Feels a little excessive here like it's for show or overdriving. Would def like to see a smooth lap for comparison
A top tier driver showing the world how to drive, being both fast and entertaining, and people still think they have to teach him how to drive. What a world. Please show us in your next video how to do it better. I cannot wait.
@@biznatch1791 relax
I didnt see him recording the laptime.
Superbe vidéo !!!
Avec la megane RS, 2 merveilles ❤
VS Seat Leon Cupra R 310cv Manual, edicion limitada/ numerada. me gustaria ver que tiempos hace cada uno!!!😃😉🙏🏽
Largus may not be the fastest way to drive but he alway shows the most fun way to drive . I love his nuts in the throat liftoff oversteering . 👍🇦🇺❤️ my favourite driver .👍🇦🇺
❤❤❤ Ça semble ferme en châssis !
oil temperature close to 128 c but only 6 c outside temperature and only one lap. how will this look like in summer conditions with 30 c outside temperature and some more laps in a row? nice driving on the other side :-)
Probably the same, as every other stock car? Way too hot?
I can't think of a stock car, out of supercar territory, that doesnt reach 120 degrees Oil on the climb from factory.
@@Malar1898 agree. But why? an Type R, or M or AMG or RS …. Should be fine for some rounds without having Oil temp issues…
@@speedexperience1011 i agree, but probably less than 1% of BMW Ms, Audi RS' or AMGs are seeing actual use of their performance.
Most are just shown off, with the occasional launch control in a crowded city
Every Car i've used had a oil (and some even power steering-)cooler installed as first or second mod.
Even the R8 V10 wasnt up for a full Nordschleife run without reaching 123 degrees 🥵
What’s BTG time? Excellent driving…
127 degrees oil temperature at 9 degrees outside? WTF.
Turbo engine kept near the red line what are you expecting?
C'est pour ca qu'il faut toujours une huile adaptée au circuit type 10w60 ou autre mais qui tient les hautes températures sinon c'est casse moteur assurée
@@baptiste53240able
Ou plutôt la 5W60 pour un meilleure rendement
@@fasthracing: the temperature is simply too high. What about summer and 30 degrees outside? Does the car switch to emergency mode then?
@@baptiste53240ablethis engine uses 3 synthetic oil types and all can withstand these temperatures. Example the 5W-20 is tested to perform from -35°C to over 150°C.
Linglong tires?
1 lap = 1 set of tyres?
How you make it drift?
Proper driving.
Awesome lap!!
104 to 126° C oil temp. It's OK better were 118 max. It's 0w20 I think. Or?
Sport auto should hire you for their lap times...
Well done, you feel great car world driving more videos like this write how the new Typer R is doing on the track greetings fan of the brand.🙂
Original suspensions or coilovers? If so, what spring rates?
Very nice driving by the way, car likes to slide and rotate, fun on an FF car 😊😊
Looks like 2 stage shocks and better tires will make huge impact. I see some trust issue when you lift at foxhole.
magnifique