All true, but for people starting out, decent cob lights can be way too expensive. Also most led panels can be run on cheap L type batteries that makes them easy to use on location away from plug sockets, and it's worth mentioning that led panels dont need noisy fans to cool them that can ruin your audio track, and they are much slimmer, so take up much less space in smaller rooms.
@Just another bod on the internet Price doesn't matter if it works. I've seen cheap small ones for rigging on cars and those "light saber" ones to light a running actor
Youtubing / Filmmaking is hard, and requires education in many, many areas. My tip to anyone wondering *how* to fix voice sound levels properly.. Adobe Audition -> "Normalize Loudness" to -16 LUFs" -> if you still need help, watch some videos by Curtis Judd. It's not just "normalize" but a process to normalize the sound of the loudness dynamically based on the ongoing levels of the audio clip being processed.
@@TommyCallaway Or you could just normalise/compress the speaking audio within the video editor. Compress if necessary (probably no) and then just add volume
I agree with you in general, but there are some advantages with soft led light, they are cheap, compact and light. So e.g. you what to film something in a car interieur or in a small space. It is certainly not a good idear to only invest in soft lighting, but one 100$ light may not be the worst start. With hard light there is allwais a compromise of buy vs rent. If you buy hard lights, you go with a 120D, but if you whant to light a big scene, then it is probably the best to just rent a view big HMI lights.
Different lights for different situations. A small panel be it rigid or flex can be the perfect light type for certain applications..once modified they can have a lot of flexibility
I totally get your point. On the contrary, you could argue that no one needs that much light for a simple interview. I guess I just thought that there was something bad with cobs or smds so I was curious. thanks for the video!
We Are Film My wife was asking me why I was smiling at my phone and it’s because I was reading your comment and was like, that’s one of my biggest problems too! Haha I’m still waiting for a portable LED that’s soft, yet powerful. Right now I just use windows but that angle can get boring or repetitive.
I'm in agreement with you! Years ago, I recall a book that discussed cinematic lighting. One of the DP's featured in the book said, " I prefer using lights that need to be diffused with 3/4-inch plywood." Of course, he felt--like you--that there were many more ways to model or diffuse a big (12K please) light source than the other way around. Great video!
Your information and presentation ist great. There is no need to play this (loud) background music. If I go to a coaching seminar and the coach would press play on a music player just before he starts talking the message would be: "Hey I got nothing to tell. I need some music to prevent the people from falling asleep." People trying to explain important content talk in silence ... slow ... with a lot of space so that the listener will concentrate and think. This is my "constructive hint". Don't get my wrong: Your message and information is great and there is alot of wortk going into your videos.
althoug will loose brightness by difusing, whereas with the pannels you don't need to defuse. This way a 60W pannel is just as bright as a difussed 200W chip.
Yes but the diffusion needed to flatten that out (frosted glass) will cut out less light than the (usually thick double layer canvas) difussion for a single chip. Besides, for run and gun the 300 shadows won't be that noticeable
Calling a panel that is barely larger than a piece of copy paper a "soft source" is rather misleading. Is it softer than a COB "point" light source? Yes. By a significant amount? Depends on how you use it, but mostly, not by much. So if you use a panel, you are generally getting a mostly hard light source. The real difference is that the COB point light is designed as part of a larger light modifying system, usually using a Bowen's mount. And thus this light is going to be easier to SOFTEN. Yes, even easier than the already somewhat softer panel light. (Which can also be softened as well, but not as easily or efficiently).
Thanks for your opinion and I think you are right about that... But, most people don't have the money and they aren't professionals who make a living from photography to buy Aputure... and that's why they buy led panels . You can't compare even the Godox models prices with led panels... You can buy 3 led panels in the price of godox sl60 .. So ... everyone knows that you get what you pay , but in this particular video I would like to see you support your opinion and prove it with results and items that have the same price.. Best regards
Didn't think of that of soft light can't become a hard light but a hard light can become a sof light... Fantastic tip!!! I am a newbie in cinematography so I really apreciate this kind of content. Good video!!!
Great video man. I do however have my finger on the buy button for a edge lit soft light as i want to keep the background dark and i'm working in a small space. Looking at a viltrox 300t or 500t as opposed to the elgato keylight. Can you think of a good setup for a desk mountable keylight that won't light up to much of the background? I'm guessing i need some kind of barn doors for that but i really like the circular style of the viltrox. Sorry for all the questions, Great Video man. Subbed :)
I need a very uniform panel light, where the individual LEDs can not be distinguished. The Yongnuo YN300 Air looked promising, until I noticed that I could easily distinguish the LEDs. (it's about the size I need, though). Any recommendations?
Is it true though that you can't get a hard light our of a soft source? What if, for example, you create a snoot and put it in front of the led panel? Then, keeping the same distance from the subject, you now have a much smaller area where the light is coming from, hence, a harder light.
very well done! great content glad that i found this channel! PLEASE ... no music next time! clean audio would be amazing with these great videos! thank you for sharing knowledge.
Hilarious, I’m trying to learn about the subject and just came here to find alternatives to DSLR Video Shooter equipment which is super expensive, but man, I rather stick to the expensive shit if I’m going to be this underexposed.
We Are Film again I’m a noob and I’m trying to learn, but unless you wanted to add some sort of mystery that I missed in this video, underexposing doesn’t seem to work for this type of content. Arrival is a masterpiece, this isn’t Arrival. Please tell me what I got wrong.
We Are Film like, you’re so underexposed it’s distracting, I’ve been watching videos about lighting for a couple of weeks now and I could tell there was something wrong with this shoot, like, it’s distracting how much you’re underexposed.
Totally dumb click bait title. The reasons for led panels are numerous. Space, weight, speed of set-up, often easier to run off batteries. Your next video should be "Don't by a hammer in 2021 - hammers vs screw drivers". They are different tools for different jobs
I think you missed the point of the video. Hard, brighter sources are MUCH more versatile on any set, and is what makes up a VAST majority of lighting. It can be shaped, modified (for much cheaper, as even a sheet, shower curtain, or piece of foam can work)
@@CameronGallagher Nope. Didn't miss the point at all. The title is click-bait. Sure you can use modifiers to soften the light, but this is unfeasible in tight spaces. It's a horse's for courses situation. Buy the light that works for you. But categorically titling a video "Don't buy this light" is click bait
@@CameronGallagher I'm talking about the title. The title is NOT representative of the video content. The video content is fine. The title however is bait
All true, but for people starting out, decent cob lights can be way too expensive. Also most led panels can be run on cheap L type batteries that makes them easy to use on location away from plug sockets, and it's worth mentioning that led panels dont need noisy fans to cool them that can ruin your audio track, and they are much slimmer, so take up much less space in smaller rooms.
Why is a video about lighting so dark?
Because he thinks LEDS are too bright so hes stuck in the dark ages lol
@@99Plastics lmao
Because he doesn't know shit. Very common 2021.
@@tekoppentekoppen761 😂😂😂🎥
@@tekoppentekoppen761 Highlights are at about 80IRE, which is pretty bright! Probably just your screens brightness
Actually, soft LED panels are used a lot on big features, especially on night interiors.
@Just another bod on the internet Price doesn't matter if it works. I've seen cheap small ones for rigging on cars and those "light saber" ones to light a running actor
@Just another bod on the internet Anyways the Chip LEDs that are talked about in this video are nowhere $100, apples and oranges.
Jeezus with the audio mix.. why is it that even pro youtubers screw this up with their speaking audio level being so much lower than the intro music.
Youtubing / Filmmaking is hard, and requires education in many, many areas. My tip to anyone wondering *how* to fix voice sound levels properly.. Adobe Audition -> "Normalize Loudness" to -16 LUFs" -> if you still need help, watch some videos by Curtis Judd. It's not just "normalize" but a process to normalize the sound of the loudness dynamically based on the ongoing levels of the audio clip being processed.
Not only do the levels matter but you're supposed to punch a hole in the music tracks EQ to that it's not competing with voice frequencies.
@@TommyCallaway Or you could just normalise/compress the speaking audio within the video editor. Compress if necessary (probably no) and then just add volume
Or you could just not put music in it.....since no one is here for the music...
@@serenewinters5577 Could say the same for elevators.
I ended up getting both but I use the chip lights way more often.
I agree with you in general, but there are some advantages with soft led light, they are cheap, compact and light. So e.g. you what to film something in a car interieur or in a small space.
It is certainly not a good idear to only invest in soft lighting, but one 100$ light may not be the worst start. With hard light there is allwais a compromise of buy vs rent. If you buy hard lights, you go with a 120D, but if you whant to light a big scene, then it is probably the best to just rent a view big HMI lights.
Different lights for different situations. A small panel be it rigid or flex can be the perfect light type for certain applications..once modified they can have a lot of flexibility
Not to mention 1 aperture light is close $1000 while you can get a 3 pack of led 50w panels for under $700
Maybe, BUT the quality of light is SO MUCH better, and it’s probably still brighter than all of them combined
I totally get your point. On the contrary, you could argue that no one needs that much light for a simple interview. I guess I just thought that there was something bad with cobs or smds so I was curious. thanks for the video!
Makes sense! We find we are always fighting for more, especially when battling windows but I totally understand!
We Are Film My wife was asking me why I was smiling at my phone and it’s because I was reading your comment and was like, that’s one of my biggest problems too! Haha I’m still waiting for a portable LED that’s soft, yet powerful. Right now I just use windows but that angle can get boring or repetitive.
I'm in agreement with you! Years ago, I recall a book that discussed cinematic lighting. One of the DP's featured in the book said, " I prefer using lights that need to be diffused with 3/4-inch plywood." Of course, he felt--like you--that there were many more ways to model or diffuse a big (12K please) light source than the other way around. Great video!
Yeah, you can just do so much with a Hard Source! Thanks!
there's no led light that is on par with a 12k or even a 5k
I haven't got £1000 to £20,000 spare for a chip light.
Panel LED's are around £50 to £100
I need some hard cash for that hard source lighting :)
Your information and presentation ist great. There is no need to play this (loud) background music. If I go to a coaching seminar and the coach would press play on a music player just before he starts talking the message would be: "Hey I got nothing to tell. I need some music to prevent the people from falling asleep." People trying to explain important content talk in silence ... slow ... with a lot of space so that the listener will concentrate and think. This is my "constructive hint". Don't get my wrong: Your message and information is great and there is alot of wortk going into your videos.
The led is made to run by Battery.. and you compare one that can run at 1500w.. not equal right at the start...
I think you may be confused....COB & Panels are both LEDs that can be run in Battery. The video isn’t comparing LED to tungsten or HMI..
althoug will loose brightness by difusing, whereas with the pannels you don't need to defuse. This way a 60W pannel is just as bright as a difussed 200W chip.
Thank you for the advice.
An undifussed led pannel is never as soft as a difussed chip, because you get 300 different shadows from the 300 different lightbulbs.
Yes but the diffusion needed to flatten that out (frosted glass) will cut out less light than the (usually thick double layer canvas) difussion for a single chip.
Besides, for run and gun the 300 shadows won't be that noticeable
Very important info about the one-way modifiability! Thank you! 🔥👌
Calling a panel that is barely larger than a piece of copy paper a "soft source" is rather misleading. Is it softer than a COB "point" light source? Yes. By a significant amount? Depends on how you use it, but mostly, not by much. So if you use a panel, you are generally getting a mostly hard light source. The real difference is that the COB point light is designed as part of a larger light modifying system, usually using a Bowen's mount. And thus this light is going to be easier to SOFTEN. Yes, even easier than the already somewhat softer panel light. (Which can also be softened as well, but not as easily or efficiently).
Thanks for your opinion and I think you are right about that... But, most people don't have the money and they aren't professionals who make a living from photography to buy Aputure... and that's why they buy led panels . You can't compare even the Godox models prices with led panels... You can buy 3 led panels in the price of godox sl60 .. So ... everyone knows that you get what you pay , but in this particular video I would like to see you support your opinion and prove it with results and items that have the same price.. Best regards
Didn't think of that of soft light can't become a hard light but a hard light can become a sof light... Fantastic tip!!! I am a newbie in cinematography so I really apreciate this kind of content. Good video!!!
Great video man. I do however have my finger on the buy button for a edge lit soft light as i want to keep the background dark and i'm working in a small space. Looking at a viltrox 300t or 500t as opposed to the elgato keylight. Can you think of a good setup for a desk mountable keylight that won't light up to much of the background? I'm guessing i need some kind of barn doors for that but i really like the circular style of the viltrox. Sorry for all the questions, Great Video man. Subbed :)
I need a very uniform panel light, where the individual LEDs can not be distinguished. The Yongnuo YN300 Air looked promising, until I noticed that I could easily distinguish the LEDs. (it's about the size I need, though). Any recommendations?
Thank you. It has been very useful. Greetings from Palma de Mallorca.
Hi. Would you recommend the Dracast BoltRay 600 Plus LED Bi-Color 3-Light Kit?
appreciate this production and information!
Is it true though that you can't get a hard light our of a soft source? What if, for example, you create a snoot and put it in front of the led panel? Then, keeping the same distance from the subject, you now have a much smaller area where the light is coming from, hence, a harder light.
You’d be making the light more “controlled” but not actually a harder quality!
@@CameronGallagher ooh interesting ☺️ thanks for the reply
very well done! great content glad that i found this channel!
PLEASE ... no music next time! clean audio would be amazing with these great videos!
thank you for sharing knowledge.
AGREE.
This is true BUT if you have zero use for hard source then panels are fine.
Cool video. Thanks for sharing.
I decided to go with the led panels because your lighting in this video is really bad imo.
Even if you did, that’s not the point of why ones better or worse
Shots fired!
what led light would you recommend for wedding photography?
I LOVE the 120t/D from Aputure!
For a video about lighting, this video is not well light at all.
Dear Samuel,
We are sorry.
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Una lástima la música de fondo. Casi imposible de escuchar el video...
Why is everyone so mean here? They are on the content creators’ ass
@@fredriksvard2603 really not that terrible, only to the film crowd
But w h a t a b o u t h e a t ? Are these hard sources going to turn my studio into an EZ Bake oven?
Nah! At this point, heat is almost a non issue! Plus all LEDs are similar
The whole right side of the race is dark. Are you missing a fill ?
No, I just like a higher contract ratio!
Kind of ironic you're giving out tips about lighting when you're underexposed
Hilarious, I’m trying to learn about the subject and just came here to find alternatives to DSLR Video Shooter equipment which is super expensive, but man, I rather stick to the expensive shit if I’m going to be this underexposed.
Yeah, underexposing never works. Ask Bradford Young....
We Are Film again I’m a noob and I’m trying to learn, but unless you wanted to add some sort of mystery that I missed in this video, underexposing doesn’t seem to work for this type of content. Arrival is a masterpiece, this isn’t Arrival. Please tell me what I got wrong.
We Are Film like, you’re so underexposed it’s distracting, I’ve been watching videos about lighting for a couple of weeks now and I could tell there was something wrong with this shoot, like, it’s distracting how much you’re underexposed.
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Totally dumb click bait title. The reasons for led panels are numerous. Space, weight, speed of set-up, often easier to run off batteries. Your next video should be "Don't by a hammer in 2021 - hammers vs screw drivers". They are different tools for different jobs
I think you missed the point of the video. Hard, brighter sources are MUCH more versatile on any set, and is what makes up a VAST majority of lighting. It can be shaped, modified (for much cheaper, as even a sheet, shower curtain, or piece of foam can work)
@@CameronGallagher Nope. Didn't miss the point at all. The title is click-bait. Sure you can use modifiers to soften the light, but this is unfeasible in tight spaces. It's a horse's for courses situation. Buy the light that works for you. But categorically titling a video "Don't buy this light" is click bait
Well in the video I say exactly that! Did you watch it all? 😁
@@CameronGallagher I'm talking about the title. The title is NOT representative of the video content. The video content is fine. The title however is bait
Flo lights are still the best.
Pretty disappointed with this video! What did it have to do with "2019" anyway?!!
Just that it was made in it...so referenced the modern lighting situation
*Guy posts video about proper lighting in -2 stop underexposed video XD*
Michael, we prefer not to expose ourselves online...but if we start an onlyfans, we’ll be sure to reach out! 😁
you are simply wrong
LED panels with bunch of little chips suck!!
Thanks, very helpfull video
skin tones are just as red as the background. Oh well
The left half of your face in this video is dark😭
I love a contrast-y look!
None of this made any sense based on the title of this video. Terrible job. Just my honest opinion.
That is why I chose the Ikan Rayden instead of the Lyra. I just want a choice between hard and soft.