I've watched so many people react to these over the years. I love seeing people's reactions to relegation - something that is SO ingrained into European sports culture, but it blows a lot of American's minds!
In fact, this competition system - National League with Promotion/Relegation - National Cup - Vacancies in continental competitions It is used all over the world, of course with some small variations, but that's basically it. As far as I know, only in the USA/Canada, and Australia does not have relegation (and now, at least provisionally, the Mexican League, is also without pro/rel) and now India has two parallel national leagues, one with relegation/promotion and the other without .
Not just European. I think it's weird that in the USA (where capitalism and meritocracy are encouraged) the teams are given equal opportunity to balance out (like socialism would do).
@@lperea21 I understand your comment, but I think that when Americans create "closed leagues" they mean: "No outsiders here!" ; "Not small here", so they created an elite group where only they are accepted, so the concept that best suits them is not that of "socialists" but of capitalist oligarchs. But, I understood your reasoning!
@@lperea21 I think the reasons why closed leagues formed in the US are twofold: 1) With such a large country to cover (and so many sparsely-populated parts of it), many teams have HUGE catchment areas--often the size of entire European countries--meaning that most teams effectively represent not only their cities, but also a large area _around_ their cities, so a lot of their fans live several hours away and can only really follow the team on TV. Nobody wants to see their favorite team relegated to a league that isn't shown on TV, so they can't watch it anymore (keep in mind, minor leagues in the US are *not* shown on TV, because there are so many top-tier leagues--the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, and now MLS--that there's just not enough TV airtime for a second-tier league). 2) When we first started our first sports leagues (which were baseball leagues), the first major leagues expanded to cover an area of the country spanning from New England and New York across the Great Lakes states, and then basically started to run into the limits of how much territory a league could cover back in the days of steam trains. It wasn't practical for teams to be traveling 5, 6, or even 7 days to away games all the time. Note that European leagues never had this problem since their leagues ran into national borders before they ran into the limits of practical travel. Because of this, leagues formed in various other parts of the country such as the South and far-West, which weren't on the same level as the major leagues since they didn't have most of the biggest or richest cities, but they had no competition for fans from the major leagues since they didn't overlap geographically. They eventually became sellers' leagues (think Eredivisie-to-EPL rather than EFL Championship-to-EPL). Eventually, the Jet Age enabled the major leagues to expand across the country, so the geographically-alternate leagues such as the Texas League and the Pacific Coast League essentially became reserve leagues for the major-league teams. The minor-league teams ended up all (or almost all) becoming reserve squads for the major-league teams at that point. For instance, the Sacramento River Cats are now a reserve squad for the San Francisco Giants.
9:42 When a top division club sends their B team or their "second class" players in a Cup match doesn't necessarily mean that they underestimate or disrespect their opponent. The main reason is rotation. a. The top players in the top clubs are usually the most hardworking athletes in the sport. A lot of them are also members of their respective national teams. Every 4 years, as you know, they compete in the World Cup, and in between (also every 4 years) in their continental Cup (Euro, Copa America, Copa Africa etc). And the years there isn't a Cup of Nations tournament, the national teams try to qualify to one. The clubs need their best players to be on their best shape when it matters the most, witch is usually towards the end of the season. Not to mention that a worn out athlete is more likely to get injured. So they need to find ways to give them some breaks throughout the season. d. Although the number of changes in a match has increased, there are still players that rarely get to play. What happens when you loose a number of players in the same position due to injuries? You have to look at the other enb of your bench to fill the gap. And you need that replacement to have a good chemistry with his teammates to keep the club on track. The team's practice sessions are not enough. Every player needs to have real action in order to be on call and ready to jump in. Sending a "second class" team when facing a lower division club is both an opportunity and a necessity. Of course sometimes things don't ho exactly as planned, but that's life. 🤷🏻♀️
It should be pointed out that this isn’t exclusive to “Europe”, this is pretty much most places outside of the U.S You’ll find the same systems, rules and leagues in Brazil, Morocco, Qatar, Japan as you would in the various European leagues
In fact, this competition system - National League with Promotion/Relegation - National Cup - Vacancies in continental competitions It is used all over the world, of course with some small variations, but that's basically it. As far as I know, only in the USA/Canada, and Australia does not have relegation (and now, at least provisionally, the Mexican League, is also without pro/rel) and now India has two parallel national leagues, one with relegation/promotion and the other without .
The german league pyramid have 13 levels from 1st Bundesliga on the top to the local County leagues on the bottom. There are over 2000 leagues played out each season with over 30.000 different teams competing in this system. Germany has the biggest football association in the world with over 7 million active members. And sidenote: Big clubs like Bayern Munich do have multiple teams in the league system like Bayern Munich II or their Junior Teams (U19 to U14) but there are rules that they can't go up in the same league as the 1st team.
The English league pyramid can go down as far as 26 levels in some parts of the country. Dorking Wanderers FC was founded in 1999 at the 17th level; they were promoted 12 times in 24 years, and played the 2023/24 season in the National League (5th level) - OK they were relegated that season but they’re still in the 6th level…
There was actually a second-tier team that made it all the way to the German cup final just this last season, and only lost 1-0 against (Bundesliga winners) Leverkusen!
I absolutely love this channel bro! Really great to see how much passion you have for learning about the sport and tieing it in and comapring it to your understanding with other sports! A cool idea you could try for a video could be, "convincing a soccer skeptic"; explaining and convincing the sport to somone who's totally against the idea of soccer, thinks the sports boring, etc. Keep up the great content man, I can see your channel blowing up soon!
The crazy thing about Relegation is that it is not just the teams that are hurt. Its also all shops pubs and hotels who profit from big crowds come tonsee the games.
Well, the crazy thing is that aMuricans don’t stay with their team (that traditionally is representing their city/town/municipality) but jump bandwagon if a team is (sort of) failing. So killing the environment is your unloyal attitude nothing else. That’s as disgusting as teams leaving/abandoning town. Outside the US you’ll find relegated teams all over the place who fill their stadium even if get relegated. Germany's second league became even more popular for the reason that Bayern München has won the 1st Bundesliga consecutive times in a row…
@@agn855 I think some teams in the US have a more loyal fan culture than others; for instance, the Chicago Cubs endured a 107-year trophy drought and were still one of the most popular teams in Major League Baseball due to the traditional cultural connection they had to the area around Wrigleyville and to the city of Chicago as a whole. Fans of the Seahawks and Patriots in the NFL had similar loyalty through hard times (and often scoff at the "bandwagon fans" who hadn't suffered with the fan base through the teams' years of mediocrity), though of course the NFL fan culture doesn't usually have the same level of history and tradition as some baseball teams, which go back as far as the oldest clubs in European football. (Exception: The Green Bay Packers are publicly owned like German clubs, and have a loyal and passionate fanbase as a result.) But the problem is, American teams draw fans from a wide radius around their city, and many fans can only make the journey to see their team in person a few times per year, or even less often than that. They're highly dependent on TV to watch their teams, so relegation would mean "forced disloyalty" since their team wouldn't be on TV anymore. (Keep in mind, with five top-tier leagues in different sports, there's just no airtime left over for minor-league clubs here.)
By the way, while I seem to be the only other person here (and you're seeing my comments), just wanted to say I'm loving your sports journey, I watch all your videos, and I really appreciate and enjoy the content. I'm English, Sheffield Wednesday fan, living in California now.
That UEFA club coefficient already was a factor in deciding which leagues had how many spots in the UEFA Champions League. For instance, it was the reason why the Premier League got four Champions League spots, but the Portuguese and French leagues didn't. Also, the Europa League winners already got a Champions League spot. The thing that's changing this year is that 1) the format's changing _completely,_ in a way that's going to include more teams, and 2) because of that, they needed to figure out which leagues to give _additional_ places to (in addition to the places that they already had). The change in format is because too many UCL games were between heavyweight clubs like Bayern Munich or Real Madrid and also-rans such as Salzburg or Antwerp. This created pressure from certain clubs to form a Super League (as you know) so that more of their matches would be marquee heavyweight vs. heavyweight matches such as Bayern vs. Real rather than boring, mostly-one-sided matches. UEFA got the idea to replace the UCL's system of groups with a Swiss system. This is the same system used in major chess tournaments with a lot of players, where the players (or clubs, in the case of soccer) are all placed in one big table, and each round, players are matched up against other players with the same number of points (or at least _almost_ the same number of points, since you can't play the same opponent twice in this system). This system results in a lot of matches between evenly-matched opponents, Of course, this means that the matchups for each round are announced _after_ the completion of the previous round, when you know how many points each team has. This is a MASSIVE disadvantage for ticket sales, since it prevents tickets from being sold months in advance. So UEFA decided that instead of going with a _true_ Swiss system, they'd divide the teams into four pots (just like the old Champions League group stage, where they'd divide the teams into 4 pots--Pot 1 being the 1st seeds, Pot 2 being the 2nd seeds, etc.--and then draw a team out of each pot for each group, so that each group of 4 teams would have a 1st seed, a 2nd seed, etc.). Teams would get a predetermined number of matches against teams from Pot 1, Pot 2, Pot 3, and Pot 4, and then they would be ranked on a single combined table by their total points, like American teams trying to get into the playoffs _but with only wildcard spots._ IMO this is the worst of all worlds: The teams are getting compared against teams that played different lists of opponents, AND teams' lists of opponents are predetermined and not decided based on previous results, which also likely means teams _still_ aren't getting more matches against teams of their caliber than before. This is just not a fair way to set up the UCL, and its ONLY "advantage" is to put more games on the schedule (=more money for UEFA).
I understood exactly NOTHING of what you said... which is probably the intended goal of UEFA (confuse and rip off)... But anyway, since my country (Romania) is awful at this sport I guess it won't matter which format UEFA uses as our shitty teams will never play in UCL anyway :)
@@blabla-rg7ky It's OK man, I was a chess fan for years before I started following soccer, so I understood the intent when they first started talking about using the Swiss system. (I still wish they would've used the Swiss system or stayed with the traditional system, rather than making up a new system that's really not any better.) Here's how I would explain it more simply to you: Qualification for the Champions League group stage will not change very much, except that there will be four more Champions League berths available. The real changes happen once you make it to the group stage (now called the league phase): Instead of dividing the teams into four groups (with each group having one Pot 1 team, one Pot 2 team, one Pot 3 team, and one Pot 4 team), the teams will be put together in one league table. They'll still be divided into 4 pots: Each team will play against two opponents from each pot (one home and one away). After all those games are finished, the teams with the most points move on to the knockout phase, which will be basically the same as it used to be.
@@blabla-rg7ky It's a random draw (with the restriction that teams from the same country cannot meet in the league phase). The top 8 teams in the league phase will go to the round of 16, but the next 16 teams will play an extra knockout round to get there. Personally, I wish they would've gone with the Swiss system, since it would've led to a lot of matches between teams in similar places on the table (and especially in the late rounds, it would've led to matches between teams that were in direct competition for knockout-round berths, or for seeding within the knockout rounds). True, it would've been impossible to sell tickets for each matchday until the previous matchday had concluded, but the matches would've been so good--and so meaningful--that they would've regularly sold out anyway.
Thanks for this. In ENGLAND, it is a $240,000,000 TWO HUNDRED and 40 Million Dollar difference between THe Premier League and The Second Tier ( The Championship). There are 92 Clubs in 4 Divisions in the Football League "pyramid" with Promotion and Relegation between each division. The Bottom 2 teams in The 4th Tier ( The Second Division) get kicked out into THe FIFTH Tier, which is still a Professional League, and teams like Wrexham(2022/23) got promoted from there after 15 years outside the Main "4 Divisions-92 Clubs) structure. Some teams never come back. There is, also, THE LEAGUE CUP, ,ust for those 92 teams with The Final @ Wembley so you could win a "Quadruple". The 5th and 6th placed English Teams play in THE EUROPA LEAGUE.
There is a mistake here caused by a lack of publicity of the first rounds of the champions league. In reality the tournament begins long before the group stage. The bigger clubs from bigger countries qualify directly to the group stage but before that champions from all european smallers countries and even the lesser clubs from big countries battle in elimination rounds to get to that stage. So technicaly every european country competes in the champions league, we just dont pay attention until they get to the group stage with the big guys and the lucky few little guys.
Closed leagues are good but they are wired for money first not competition. I think it’s the problem about the US system as a whole. It’s always money first. Health system, money first, health second Infrastructures, money first, infrastructure second. Sports, money first, sport second That’s why sometimes Amereicans sometimes think Europeans and others are socialists😂. No they love money too. But for us it’s Sports; sport first, money second Health: health first, money second Infrastructures: infrastructure first, money second Money is still huge but it doesn’t hurt the whole purpose.
Love your videos mate. Just (maybe) a helpful tip. If you google the league table, it’ll usually give you who has qualified for each competition. On a side note for English cups: The league cup (Carabao cup) is made up from the top 4 leagues (92 teams; Premier league, championship, L1, L2) The FA cup last year had 732 entrants, with some teams having to play 6 qualifying rounds before the first round even began. The comment about ‘money for a cup run’ doesn’t even mean winning it. Winning a first round game of the full competition can earn a team £41,000 in prize money, plus money from the second round and tv deals - a huge amount for a team that is in the 6th or 7th tier of football. Winning a game in the full competition has been known to keep clubs from going bankrupt. Plus, the opportunity for some of the players, who might be plumbers or teachers or factory workers during the day, get to play on a Wednesday night after work against full time professionals in a huge stadium plus a giant crowd on tv… it’s what kids here dream of. Would be cool to see you watch some FA cup giant killing highlights :)) Keep up the great work-love your videos!
8:20 Even though this is true, there are also times in which, due to them qualifying and advancing in so many cups and tournaments, a team might play 3 or even 4 times a week. It can get kinda crazy.
That's also one factor how big teams get kicked out of the cup by amateurs - they may save their best players for league or champion's league matches to avoid injury, their B-team takes the amateurs for granted and before you know it, the amateurs landed a lucky punch and start defending with all 11 men.
In ENGLAND, it is a $240,000,000 TWO HUNDRED and 40 Million Dollar difference between THe Premier League and The Second Tier ( The Championship). There are 92 Clubs in 4 Divisions in the Football League "pyramid" with Promotion and Relegation between each division. The Bottom 2 teams in The 4th Tier ( The Second Division) get kicked out into THe FIFTH Tier, which is still a Professional League, and teams like Wrexham(2022/23) got promoted from there after 15 years outside the Main "4 Divisions-92 Clubs) structure. Some teams never come back. There is, also, THE LEAGUE CUP, ,ust for those 92 teams with The Final @ Wembley so you could win a "Quadruple". The 5th and 6th placed English Teams play in THE EUROPA LEAGUE.
Don't forget that a team that declares bankruptcy does not cease to exist. They can be forced by the football association to be relegated to an even lower league. This is what happens in many European countries, instead of playing in the second division, you play in the fourth or fifth division. This happens when relegated teams cannot present satisfactory financial planning for the COMING season. Then of course it will be even more difficult for relegated teams, but the chance to fight their way back to the top over a few years is still there.
When the draw for the fa cup is done, they usually announce when those matches will be played, 3rd Fa cup round is usually when Premier and Championship teams enter, and they are played on the weekend not midweek. The Bundesliga is not how he said, La liga and Premier league are, 16th in the Bundesliga faces 3rd, 2 Bundesliga
Not a Villa fan but you were wrong to dismiss them qualifying for the Champuons League. They are previous winners of the European Cup. The mighty Man City, for example, only just won their first one. #sixtimes #ynwa
'Non League' in the UK (sorry, I mean England) specifically means from the 5th Division downwards. The top 4 divisions are known as 'League Teams'. The top 5 divisions, about 116 teams, are fully professional as are some teams further down the structure but the system of promotion and relegation goes way down the pyramid to regional and regional leagues, According to wiki there are 7000 (seven thousand !) teams in the English pyramid of promotion and relegation
Here in Brazil, the teams that don't compete in one of the 4 national divisions we call "sem divisão" (without division). Although in Brazil ALL clubs are obliged to play in state championships (even teams that are in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th Brazilian National Division) which generally take place between January - April or May while the 4 divisions of football National starts in mid-April or May. Clubs outside the 3 major divisions of Brazilian football (Série A, Serie B and Serie C) play in the state championships at the beginning of the year and try to win a place in Series D (fourth division) through these tournaments. called "without division" (although state championships also work on the division system)
@@diegoalbues2471 IMO this is basically how we'd have to set it up in the US if we wanted a pro/rel system that went down to the amateur level. We'd have to have state leagues to make the lower tiers more manageable. That being said, some of our states are _very_ small (Wyoming probably couldn't pull off a state soccer league, especially since they already have college sports and Pioneer League baseball), so even that system wouldn't catch everyone.
@@diegoalbues2471 I'm not sure if you understand the mismatch between city/club size and travel distance (especially, as I said, with soccer not being the most popular sport). For reference, Wyoming--the least populous US state--has a capital with a population of only 64,000. I can't picture a club there regularly traveling 700-1000 km (or even farther) for their away matches, especially since most people in that state are more into college sports to begin with.
The financial gain for cup games for smaller teams doesn't come from winning the tournament but comes from the way the gate revenue is split. In regular league games the home team keeps all the money generated, but in a cup game the revenue is split between the two teams, so if a small low-division team gets drawn against a top team away from home sure they are probably going to get beat, but getting half the revenue from a a big team at a big stadium is the equivalent of winning the lottery.
The relegation system is fundamental to the vision of sport in Europe. It’s not just about football. For us, this is our vision of merit. You win, you move up. You lose, you go down. You can start a small neighborhood club yourself. You will start in the amateur division, 8th or 9th division. And maybe you’ll have good management, good way to play, good player "scouting", and you’ll be the best in your division. And you move up. Of course, the more you move up, the more it's hard to have good results, but maybe, after several years, your club will rise, division by division, and you will reach a professional level (usually the first two divisions of each country are at national and professional level, the third is semi-professional, and the following ones are at local and amateur level). And if you lose too often, if you’re bad, you get out. You come down from division to division. The major club in my city was in the first French division in the 1980s. But it had poor management and poor results. He’s been playing in the French fourth division for 30 years now. Sometimes a year he’s good, and he goes up to the third division. Sometimes it makes a rotten year and it goes down in fourth diivision... and voilà ;) This year, a "small" club (Brest) finished third in the first French division. Honestly, this is a small club, which was still in lower division not long ago. His financial budget has nothing to do with a big french club like PSG for example. But... he had a great season, after 34 matchs he finished in third position in the championship, and next year he will play the Champion’s League against the biggest historical clubs of European football. And of course, he will receive more financial income. And that’s normal. Cause that’s what he deserves. This relegation system is very important in Europe. Because it refers to the notion of merit in sport. Closed leagues are quite rare in Europe. This is what the major European football clubs wanted to do last year, by creating a closed "superleague", just with them, imitating the NBA. The fans immediately showed their anger towards these clubs, precisely because this is not the historical vision of sport and merit. If a team is bad, it does not deserve to stay in the elite. Conversely, if a lower team has good results, it deserves to rise in the elite. And yes, during the national cup, very small amateur clubs can meet big clubs. Last year, a small French amateur club (Cassel, playing in fifth division) facing... the first French club, PSG. Cassel club is not professional. During the week, its players work. One is a baker, another is an office worker... etc... But the funny thing is that one of Cassel’s players was a fan of PSG. During the year, he goes to see PSG play in the European Champion's League, in the stands of PSG stadium in Paris, to support his favorite team. And there, he played against his idols. So the score ended as expected, with 7 - 0 for PSG... but it was a party anyway. Cassel’s players knew their cup run would stop after this game, but they were so happy to be able to play against their idols. At he end of the match, they just want to take selfies with PSG players ;) Imagine you. You play basketball on weekends with your friends in a small club in your neighborhood, or your little town, just because you like to play basketball. And one day, your team captain say to you: "Ok guys, next week for the third round of the American National Basketball Cup, we will play at home against the Boston Celtics" ^^ Sorry for my english.
Man City just won the treble? Not really, they won the Premier League, but lost the FA cup against Man U (same city, different club!) and the Champions' League was won by Real Madrid (runner up = Dortmund). Man City lost the quarter final.
in the netherlands we have the same system as in the uk our divesion is called eredivisie. last year the Amsterdam team Ajax a team that won the national league 35 time was kicked out of the cup by amateurs
Something that doesn’t get talked about much with relegation is how critical it can be to bounce back quickly like Newcastle and like Leicester and quite a few other teams over the years If you don’t you are at risk of getting stuck in those leagues for years at a time and having talented players picked off by the teams above. Often what happens when a team gets relegated is the teams that are still in the Premier League will try to turn the head of players in relegated sides because they can still offer them Premier League football, so the really decent players tend to get sold… you then have two or three types of players left 1. Loyal players 2. Players no-one wants from the Premier League but might do a decent job in the Championship 3. Players that are crap and are on too high of a salary for any club to want to gamble on…. Ideally you want your team to be the majority made up of 1 and 2. Then what happens is if you happen to be a team that pushes for the play-offs, you better hope you win it and get promoted or guess what?… the players that got you within touching distance of the Premier League will start coming up on the radar of the teams above and you’ll be back to the drawing board trying to unearth good players for not very much money… see Viktor Gyökeres (Coventry)
@@lperea21 yep a relegation release clause - for those not familiar it's typically a set agreed fee between the club and the player, that should they get relegated and receive a bid of a certain value, the club has to accept the bid. Typically the value of the release clause is a fair value reflection of the player or sometimes actually a little cheaper than what the player might be considered to be worth.
@@philipmcniel4908 The vídeo is a Europe wide summary introductory guide. Parachute payments are an England specific thing nor are necessarily to understand as part of an introduction.
@@gregweatherup9596 Ahh, thanks for the explanation! I didn't realize parachute payments were England-specific, though I did think that details like that should be skipped over when introducing a complete newcomer to the big picture.
Just have to say as a Coventrian that Coventry is ‘Cohv-En- Tree’ no ‘Cuv-Ent-Tree’ and definitely not Covington😅 Think of it like two words in one Covent and Tree. Feel free to say what you want about the team though I don’t support them 😅 but a bit of history about them, though some of the younger people might not know and consider them “small” they were at one point amongst some of the clubs with the longest consecutive spells in the top flight football, they went 34 years in the top flight before eventually being relegated in 2001 They have even dropped down to League One at one point but are currently in the Championship (one below the Premier League) and over the past couple of season have looked like they are edging closer to get back, last season they narrowly missed out on the play offs and the season before that they lost the play off final to Luton You’ll find also that it happens a lot that some historic Premier League clubs go down to the Championship and for quite some time struggle to get back out and can sometimes spend years or decades there, like Leeds, Nottingham Forest, Leicester, Middlesbrough, Blackburn, Portsmouth and Ipswich Town (who are finally returning after being relegated from the Premier League in 2002)
Lol, lol, I noticed that when I was editing. There is a town just outside of New Orleans where I live called Covington. My brain failed me in the moment.
he didn't talk about the super cups The champions of euroa league vs the champions of uefa champions league or the champions of demestic league vs the champions of the cup. .. a team can win up to 6 trophies a year -domestic league -domestic cup -domestic super cup -euefa champions league -Euefa super cup -clubs world cup
You guys have a chance to ride on World Cup in the 94, and start to implement the whole setup of league with promotion and relegation. If you ask my opinion, MLS basically a mini Super League for North America. You see how the whole Europe contested and condemn the whole idea of Super League because it is exclusivity. The most important aspect in life that touch by promotion and relegation is basically HOPE. You can start from the bottom of pyramid and with good management, vision and project every club have the equal amount of hope to take the big chunk of money from the top league in the future. And this applied for all clubs and all of its stakeholders (players, coach, manager, scouting team etc)
I will never understand why americans have so many problems understanding the difference between club teams and country teams.. its the same in the US.. An american player can play for New York Fc and for the US
Luke the reason there is something like relegation in soccer is because the league is run by a entity different from the clubs that runs all soccer and is usually connected to the government in someway (Fifa rules limit that connection). That entitity is suppose to (1) keep the competition open to every club in the country so it sets rules based on merit. (If not how would you determine which of the hundreds of clubs can play at the top level?) and to (2) promote the development of the sport for the improvement of the national team. In the US leagues like the NBA for example are just a group of rich guys competing among themselves. They are not going to kick themselves out of their own league and certainly won´t allow just anyone to join in the business.
Doesn't matter what league my hometown is in I'm still going season ticket holder 5 years. some great times so lows wouldn't change it for the world *Championship team*
Please also note that the relegation system is not only happening between the 1st and 2nd league. I tis going all the way down to the beginner level amateur leagues. So the local village's soccer club playing the lower or medium tier amateur leagues are i the same system as the professional teams at the top. You can build up an amateur team to a professional one over several years. This has happened. Also relegated teams usually do not get bankrupt and vanish. They scale down their budget and adapt, for example, by selling players. And they fight next season to get to the top league again. Also the second league is not completely irrelevant financially. They still have decent sized stadiums with a loyal local fanbase and thousands of paying spectators at the matches. So it is definitely not all or nothing.
In Spain, back in 2020/21 season a 3rd division side named "CD Alcoyano" have managed to eliminate Real Madrid from copa del rey round of 32... In that game, RMD for the starting lineup they've used mostly bench players with couple players from the farmers team, but when things got lil bit ugly the've quickly subbed all their main stars in and that line-up pretty much changed to their regular lineup that they use in la liga & CL matches, but those subs weren't enough as they end up losing that game 2-1 crashing out the copa del rey against a 3rd division team.. Same thing happened to Barca back in 2004/05 season P.S: Excuse my bad english, big fan of this channel from Morocco !!
Preußen Münster was a founding member of the 1st Bundesliga. They rose from 4th regional Division to 2nd Division within the last 2 years. Next season will be the first time in 33 Years for them to play 2nd Division again.
8:32 the European soccer season is like if the NCAA basketball regular season, conference basketball tournaments, and NCAA basketball tournament was all played at the same time.
The money problems from being relegated only lasted like 10-15 years because before like the 90s when a swedish president of UEFA created the champions league people didnt make that much money from playing football. nowadays every team have contracts withe every single player that secures them from financial mega hits... its still a hit to get relegated ofcourse BUT if you get relegated every single player loses a pretty big procentage of their salery ! ! same goes in the second tier leagues... they gain a big procentage salery if they get promoted... this is just a winwin allaround with insentive to not lose and to win to go up/not down and for the club to not go bankrupt.
There are teams with many teams in different divisions. Normally are name of team + letter A , B, etc. If one team A is relegated to team B league, the team B also is relegated. Team B cannot promote to a ligue with A team
American league systems literally make no sense and it is all about sustaining their cashflow for the owners. Think how many decades of drama you have actually missed out on when it comes to promotion and relegation!!! Where the owners actually have to work hard to achieve something and not just rely on coming near the bottom to be able to be near the top the next season!
It's interesting and true, Luke, that you should note that, on the financial side of things, the way football clubs in Europe operate is "such an American system". You rightly said that, in America, the worst performing team in NFL is rewarded by getting first pick in the draft. But more important, it does not suffer financially like relegated clubs in Europe do because the income is also more equally and equitably distributed through the NFL (66% of the $18.7 billion in 2022 NFL revenue was distributed in equal allotments to the 32 teams, according to Sportico). This is such an unexpected arrangement that it attracted the attention of a British center-right, somewhat liberal, publication, The Economist, to write an article "How socialism boosts American sport" highlighting the unusualness of such a system to exist in the USA, out of all places.
The titles have a hierarchy based on bragging rights and money. Champions league title is higher than league and league is higher than cup. Then there are unification cups that aren't as coveted.
Starting from the next season the formula of the Champions League will change (a very weird formula even for Europeans), so that video should be updated.
I don't know about other countries but in the UK we have what we call parachute payments to lessen the blow of relegation for a few years but there is still a big loss of revenue. But very few Clubs go insolvent. They just sack the manager sell a few players and carry on.And hope to rise again. And could someone tell me the nine teams that went bust . The top teams play over 60 games a season
Take a look on recent case of Schalke relegation. Poor management made them relegated to the second division, yet they are not recovering performance wise. And they were threatened to be relegated to 4th division in this season. This club needs to be in Bundesliga, should be in Bundesliga. Knowing the Gelsenkirchen stadium demand high cost maintenance and the players salary are also high
No games are being rescheduled, unless there's a flood, a volcanic eruption or a revolution. Your club played a game on Sunday and you have to play on Tuesday? Tough luck...
@@philipmcniel4908 Monaco do have their own national team, which aren't part of FIFA or UEFA and do have other clubs than Monaco FC, Sun Casino fc are the most successful club of Challenge Prince Rainier III a cup competition.
@@jameshumphreys9715 Liechtenstein has its own national team too: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liechtenstein_national_football_team If the competition in Monaco is a cup competition, then how is it different from Liechtenstein having a cup competition? (And of course, Liechtenstein has more clubs than just Vaduz FC, just like Monaco has more clubs than AS Monaco.) Seems like they're (at least mostly) analogous to me!
there is farm teams of big clubs in european football but i think there is rule that they cant get to same level as the main team. example: FC Barcelona has B team at 3.division of spanish league system literally called Fc Barcelona B fun fact couple of years ago in finland's cup Ilves played against their b team and lost to them
Every real sport in every country has relegation. Only sports that are big millionaires buying teams into a league don't have that. For me that isn't even sport then. I stopped lol esport when they removed relegation
I hate when Football is called as a synonymous of "EUROPE", im from Argentina, Southamerica, and my country globally speaking is one of the most succesfull at football in the entire history, even our "Mid table teams" beated the sh*t out of the best Euroteams in the past (Not nowdays bc the Bosman Law that made the rich richer). Football is WORLDWIDE not EUROPEAN. At clubs lvl Argentina is the country with more international titles in the world (75), 2nd Spain (74) and 3rd Brasil (63)... and at National titles (WC, Copa América, Olympics,etc) Argentina is the most succesfull (22), Brasil 2nd (20) and Uruguay 3rd (19). So the question is WHY EUROPEAN AND NOT WORLDWIDE?
Amigo, soy brasileño y esto se debe a la arrogancia de los estadounidenses en asuntos ajenos. Si para ellos lo que pasa en Europa es irrelevante, ¿imaginan lo que pasa en el resto del mundo? ¡Para ellos es inexistente! Ahora quieren que el mundo entero se rinda y se deje seducir por su soft power propagandístico y cultural.
Rule no.1 : It's Football. Soccer is acceptable. European Football....meh... European Soccer (I would tell you to get lost...) (We don't call American Football "American Rugby" either. It's plain dumb). Yeah, that was cheap (and I'm sorry. Sorry it needed to be said ;) ) Anyway. The difference between Football and Football: 1 games uses feet 95% of the time, the other uses hands 95% of the time. Oh, and commercials... I hate those.
I love that you're so bitten by the sport bud, GGs. Edit: Minor European leagues get a chance at a spot too, through qualifiers. Kinda the only way our Scandinavian teams get to show up lol
I have a question. If its called Champions League then why does teams that come 2nd, 3rd and 4th in some countries get to join when they are not Champions? But other countries get to send only one team. The should change the name to Richest Clubs League if you ask me. Teams that are not champions should not be in Champions League.
Fun fact: I was amateur player and my team qualified for cup and we drew Bayern. Just imagine my fat dumb ass who works as paramedic vs Lewandowski who recieves millions to play. 80 milion euro player vs peanut worth 20 year old
if we take england ,, the relegated teams will have "umbrella money" for 1 year i think that means they keep the same amount of money in the championship that they got in premier league, so this vid is very VERY outdated
I'm guessing the new qualification rules are the same as the old rules, but with more berths (meaning those increased number of berths needed to be allocated, which is why UEFA league coefficients were in the news).
@@philipmcniel4908 mostly, yes. The one exception is the new “European Performance Spots” which are a bonus slot to the two best coefficient earning countries in the previous season (instead of the normal 5 season consideration).
The money 'lost' in relegation just refers to the fact that teams in the top division get more money from TV rights than those in the lower leagues, so the financial hit varies massively depending on the country/league. It's also not always bottom 3 go down, that depends on the league, and and the example of the Bundesliga is wrong as two teams in the relegation zone are automatically relegated, and the one above them has a match against the 3rd (I think) team in Bundesliga 2. In the Championship (league below Premier League), the top two automatically go up and then the teams in 3rd to 6th place compete for the final spot in playoffs.
Some countries also have multiple domestic cups, so you could do a 'domestic treble' in England by winning the FA cup, the League cup, and the league title. There are also trophies only open to the teams in the lower leagues. With midweek cup games, bear in mind that the further into the season you are, the fewer teams that are still in the cups as they're knockout tournaments.
In spain, there are actually teams in the lower leagues that are essentially the minor league affiliate of larger teams, and they cannot be promoted to la liga even if they win their division
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I've watched so many people react to these over the years. I love seeing people's reactions to relegation - something that is SO ingrained into European sports culture, but it blows a lot of American's minds!
In fact, this competition system
- National League with Promotion/Relegation
- National Cup
- Vacancies in continental competitions
It is used all over the world, of course with some small variations, but that's basically it.
As far as I know, only in the USA/Canada, and Australia does not have relegation (and now, at least provisionally, the Mexican League, is also without pro/rel) and now India has two parallel national leagues, one with relegation/promotion and the other without .
Most of them still cant understand the difference between club and country, which surprises me even more.
Not just European.
I think it's weird that in the USA (where capitalism and meritocracy are encouraged) the teams are given equal opportunity to balance out (like socialism would do).
@@lperea21 I understand your comment, but I think that when Americans create "closed leagues" they mean:
"No outsiders here!" ; "Not small here", so they created an elite group where only they are accepted, so the concept that best suits them is not that of "socialists" but of capitalist oligarchs.
But, I understood your reasoning!
@@lperea21 I think the reasons why closed leagues formed in the US are twofold:
1) With such a large country to cover (and so many sparsely-populated parts of it), many teams have HUGE catchment areas--often the size of entire European countries--meaning that most teams effectively represent not only their cities, but also a large area _around_ their cities, so a lot of their fans live several hours away and can only really follow the team on TV. Nobody wants to see their favorite team relegated to a league that isn't shown on TV, so they can't watch it anymore (keep in mind, minor leagues in the US are *not* shown on TV, because there are so many top-tier leagues--the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, and now MLS--that there's just not enough TV airtime for a second-tier league).
2) When we first started our first sports leagues (which were baseball leagues), the first major leagues expanded to cover an area of the country spanning from New England and New York across the Great Lakes states, and then basically started to run into the limits of how much territory a league could cover back in the days of steam trains. It wasn't practical for teams to be traveling 5, 6, or even 7 days to away games all the time. Note that European leagues never had this problem since their leagues ran into national borders before they ran into the limits of practical travel.
Because of this, leagues formed in various other parts of the country such as the South and far-West, which weren't on the same level as the major leagues since they didn't have most of the biggest or richest cities, but they had no competition for fans from the major leagues since they didn't overlap geographically. They eventually became sellers' leagues (think Eredivisie-to-EPL rather than EFL Championship-to-EPL). Eventually, the Jet Age enabled the major leagues to expand across the country, so the geographically-alternate leagues such as the Texas League and the Pacific Coast League essentially became reserve leagues for the major-league teams. The minor-league teams ended up all (or almost all) becoming reserve squads for the major-league teams at that point. For instance, the Sacramento River Cats are now a reserve squad for the San Francisco Giants.
9:42 When a top division club sends their B team or their "second class" players in a Cup match doesn't necessarily mean that they underestimate or disrespect their opponent. The main reason is rotation.
a. The top players in the top clubs are usually the most hardworking athletes in the sport. A lot of them are also members of their respective national teams. Every 4 years, as you know, they compete in the World Cup, and in between (also every 4 years) in their continental Cup (Euro, Copa America, Copa Africa etc). And the years there isn't a Cup of Nations tournament, the national teams try to qualify to one.
The clubs need their best players to be on their best shape when it matters the most, witch is usually towards the end of the season. Not to mention that a worn out athlete is more likely to get injured. So they need to find ways to give them some breaks throughout the season.
d. Although the number of changes in a match has increased, there are still players that rarely get to play. What happens when you loose a number of players in the same position due to injuries? You have to look at the other enb of your bench to fill the gap. And you need that replacement to have a good chemistry with his teammates to keep the club on track. The team's practice sessions are not enough. Every player needs to have real action in order to be on call and ready to jump in.
Sending a "second class" team when facing a lower division club is both an opportunity and a necessity. Of course sometimes things don't ho exactly as planned, but that's life. 🤷🏻♀️
It should be pointed out that this isn’t exclusive to “Europe”, this is pretty much most places outside of the U.S
You’ll find the same systems, rules and leagues in Brazil, Morocco, Qatar, Japan as you would in the various European leagues
In fact, this competition system
- National League with Promotion/Relegation
- National Cup
- Vacancies in continental competitions
It is used all over the world, of course with some small variations, but that's basically it.
As far as I know, only in the USA/Canada, and Australia does not have relegation (and now, at least provisionally, the Mexican League, is also without pro/rel) and now India has two parallel national leagues, one with relegation/promotion and the other without .
The german league pyramid have 13 levels from 1st Bundesliga on the top to the local County leagues on the bottom. There are over 2000 leagues played out each season with over 30.000 different teams competing in this system.
Germany has the biggest football association in the world with over 7 million active members.
And sidenote: Big clubs like Bayern Munich do have multiple teams in the league system like Bayern Munich II or their Junior Teams (U19 to U14) but there are rules that they can't go up in the same league as the 1st team.
The English league pyramid can go down as far as 26 levels in some parts of the country. Dorking Wanderers FC was founded in 1999 at the 17th level; they were promoted 12 times in 24 years, and played the 2023/24 season in the National League (5th level) - OK they were relegated that season but they’re still in the 6th level…
The way you've taken to football is amazing. So proud to call you a Yid
This year the Romanian Cup was won by a team from the second division.
Damn, which team won it? Might pick them up in Football Manager lol
There was actually a second-tier team that made it all the way to the German cup final just this last season, and only lost 1-0 against (Bundesliga winners) Leverkusen!
I absolutely love this channel bro! Really great to see how much passion you have for learning about the sport and tieing it in and comapring it to your understanding with other sports!
A cool idea you could try for a video could be, "convincing a soccer skeptic"; explaining and convincing the sport to somone who's totally against the idea of soccer, thinks the sports boring, etc.
Keep up the great content man, I can see your channel blowing up soon!
The crazy thing about Relegation is that it is not just the teams that are hurt. Its also all shops pubs and hotels who profit from big crowds come tonsee the games.
Well, the crazy thing is that aMuricans don’t stay with their team (that traditionally is representing their city/town/municipality) but jump bandwagon if a team is (sort of) failing. So killing the environment is your unloyal attitude nothing else.
That’s as disgusting as teams leaving/abandoning town.
Outside the US you’ll find relegated teams all over the place who fill their stadium even if get relegated. Germany's second league became even more popular for the reason that Bayern München has won the 1st Bundesliga consecutive times in a row…
@@agn855 I think some teams in the US have a more loyal fan culture than others; for instance, the Chicago Cubs endured a 107-year trophy drought and were still one of the most popular teams in Major League Baseball due to the traditional cultural connection they had to the area around Wrigleyville and to the city of Chicago as a whole.
Fans of the Seahawks and Patriots in the NFL had similar loyalty through hard times (and often scoff at the "bandwagon fans" who hadn't suffered with the fan base through the teams' years of mediocrity), though of course the NFL fan culture doesn't usually have the same level of history and tradition as some baseball teams, which go back as far as the oldest clubs in European football. (Exception: The Green Bay Packers are publicly owned like German clubs, and have a loyal and passionate fanbase as a result.)
But the problem is, American teams draw fans from a wide radius around their city, and many fans can only make the journey to see their team in person a few times per year, or even less often than that. They're highly dependent on TV to watch their teams, so relegation would mean "forced disloyalty" since their team wouldn't be on TV anymore. (Keep in mind, with five top-tier leagues in different sports, there's just no airtime left over for minor-league clubs here.)
@@agn855 Cause they don't have clubs, only brands. WOuld you fight and bleed for Aldi ?
By the way, while I seem to be the only other person here (and you're seeing my comments), just wanted to say I'm loving your sports journey, I watch all your videos, and I really appreciate and enjoy the content. I'm English, Sheffield Wednesday fan, living in California now.
Appreciate it! Yeah the views are low because it’s super late in the UK. It will adjust soon ✌🏻
Hello Jon. What made you emigrate and is there a great difference in lifestyle,please?
That UEFA club coefficient already was a factor in deciding which leagues had how many spots in the UEFA Champions League. For instance, it was the reason why the Premier League got four Champions League spots, but the Portuguese and French leagues didn't. Also, the Europa League winners already got a Champions League spot.
The thing that's changing this year is that 1) the format's changing _completely,_ in a way that's going to include more teams, and 2) because of that, they needed to figure out which leagues to give _additional_ places to (in addition to the places that they already had).
The change in format is because too many UCL games were between heavyweight clubs like Bayern Munich or Real Madrid and also-rans such as Salzburg or Antwerp. This created pressure from certain clubs to form a Super League (as you know) so that more of their matches would be marquee heavyweight vs. heavyweight matches such as Bayern vs. Real rather than boring, mostly-one-sided matches.
UEFA got the idea to replace the UCL's system of groups with a Swiss system. This is the same system used in major chess tournaments with a lot of players, where the players (or clubs, in the case of soccer) are all placed in one big table, and each round, players are matched up against other players with the same number of points (or at least _almost_ the same number of points, since you can't play the same opponent twice in this system). This system results in a lot of matches between evenly-matched opponents,
Of course, this means that the matchups for each round are announced _after_ the completion of the previous round, when you know how many points each team has. This is a MASSIVE disadvantage for ticket sales, since it prevents tickets from being sold months in advance. So UEFA decided that instead of going with a _true_ Swiss system, they'd divide the teams into four pots (just like the old Champions League group stage, where they'd divide the teams into 4 pots--Pot 1 being the 1st seeds, Pot 2 being the 2nd seeds, etc.--and then draw a team out of each pot for each group, so that each group of 4 teams would have a 1st seed, a 2nd seed, etc.). Teams would get a predetermined number of matches against teams from Pot 1, Pot 2, Pot 3, and Pot 4, and then they would be ranked on a single combined table by their total points, like American teams trying to get into the playoffs _but with only wildcard spots._
IMO this is the worst of all worlds: The teams are getting compared against teams that played different lists of opponents, AND teams' lists of opponents are predetermined and not decided based on previous results, which also likely means teams _still_ aren't getting more matches against teams of their caliber than before. This is just not a fair way to set up the UCL, and its ONLY "advantage" is to put more games on the schedule (=more money for UEFA).
I understood exactly NOTHING of what you said... which is probably the intended goal of UEFA (confuse and rip off)... But anyway, since my country (Romania) is awful at this sport I guess it won't matter which format UEFA uses as our shitty teams will never play in UCL anyway :)
@@blabla-rg7ky It's OK man, I was a chess fan for years before I started following soccer, so I understood the intent when they first started talking about using the Swiss system. (I still wish they would've used the Swiss system or stayed with the traditional system, rather than making up a new system that's really not any better.)
Here's how I would explain it more simply to you: Qualification for the Champions League group stage will not change very much, except that there will be four more Champions League berths available. The real changes happen once you make it to the group stage (now called the league phase):
Instead of dividing the teams into four groups (with each group having one Pot 1 team, one Pot 2 team, one Pot 3 team, and one Pot 4 team), the teams will be put together in one league table. They'll still be divided into 4 pots: Each team will play against two opponents from each pot (one home and one away).
After all those games are finished, the teams with the most points move on to the knockout phase, which will be basically the same as it used to be.
@@philipmcniel4908 and how will the opponents from each pot be chosen??
@@blabla-rg7ky It's a random draw (with the restriction that teams from the same country cannot meet in the league phase).
The top 8 teams in the league phase will go to the round of 16, but the next 16 teams will play an extra knockout round to get there.
Personally, I wish they would've gone with the Swiss system, since it would've led to a lot of matches between teams in similar places on the table (and especially in the late rounds, it would've led to matches between teams that were in direct competition for knockout-round berths, or for seeding within the knockout rounds). True, it would've been impossible to sell tickets for each matchday until the previous matchday had concluded, but the matches would've been so good--and so meaningful--that they would've regularly sold out anyway.
Thanks for this. In ENGLAND, it is a $240,000,000 TWO HUNDRED and 40 Million Dollar difference between THe Premier League and The Second Tier ( The Championship). There are 92 Clubs in 4 Divisions in the Football League "pyramid" with Promotion and Relegation between each division. The Bottom 2 teams in The 4th Tier ( The Second Division) get kicked out into THe FIFTH Tier, which is still a Professional League, and teams like Wrexham(2022/23) got promoted from there after 15 years outside the Main "4 Divisions-92 Clubs) structure. Some teams never come back. There is, also, THE LEAGUE CUP, ,ust for those 92 teams with The Final @ Wembley so you could win a "Quadruple". The 5th and 6th placed English Teams play in THE EUROPA LEAGUE.
There is a mistake here caused by a lack of publicity of the first rounds of the champions league. In reality the tournament begins long before the group stage. The bigger clubs from bigger countries qualify directly to the group stage but before that champions from all european smallers countries and even the lesser clubs from big countries battle in elimination rounds to get to that stage. So technicaly every european country competes in the champions league, we just dont pay attention until they get to the group stage with the big guys and the lucky few little guys.
Closed leagues are good but they are wired for money first not competition.
I think it’s the problem about the US system as a whole. It’s always money first.
Health system, money first, health second
Infrastructures, money first, infrastructure second.
Sports, money first, sport second
That’s why sometimes Amereicans sometimes think Europeans and others are socialists😂. No they love money too. But for us it’s
Sports; sport first, money second
Health: health first, money second
Infrastructures: infrastructure first, money second
Money is still huge but it doesn’t hurt the whole purpose.
Love your videos mate. Just (maybe) a helpful tip. If you google the league table, it’ll usually give you who has qualified for each competition.
On a side note for English cups:
The league cup (Carabao cup) is made up from the top 4 leagues (92 teams; Premier league, championship, L1, L2)
The FA cup last year had 732 entrants, with some teams having to play 6 qualifying rounds before the first round even began. The comment about ‘money for a cup run’ doesn’t even mean winning it. Winning a first round game of the full competition can earn a team £41,000 in prize money, plus money from the second round and tv deals - a huge amount for a team that is in the 6th or 7th tier of football. Winning a game in the full competition has been known to keep clubs from going bankrupt. Plus, the opportunity for some of the players, who might be plumbers or teachers or factory workers during the day, get to play on a Wednesday night after work against full time professionals in a huge stadium plus a giant crowd on tv… it’s what kids here dream of. Would be cool to see you watch some FA cup giant killing highlights :))
Keep up the great work-love your videos!
8:20 Even though this is true, there are also times in which, due to them qualifying and advancing in so many cups and tournaments, a team might play 3 or even 4 times a week. It can get kinda crazy.
That's also one factor how big teams get kicked out of the cup by amateurs - they may save their best players for league or champion's league matches to avoid injury, their B-team takes the amateurs for granted and before you know it, the amateurs landed a lucky punch and start defending with all 11 men.
Seen reactions to this many times but don't think I've clarified that currently in the premier league, the loss in revenue is a lot more than $40m
In ENGLAND, it is a $240,000,000 TWO HUNDRED and 40 Million Dollar difference between THe Premier League and The Second Tier ( The Championship). There are 92 Clubs in 4 Divisions in the Football League "pyramid" with Promotion and Relegation between each division. The Bottom 2 teams in The 4th Tier ( The Second Division) get kicked out into THe FIFTH Tier, which is still a Professional League, and teams like Wrexham(2022/23) got promoted from there after 15 years outside the Main "4 Divisions-92 Clubs) structure. Some teams never come back. There is, also, THE LEAGUE CUP, ,ust for those 92 teams with The Final @ Wembley so you could win a "Quadruple". The 5th and 6th placed English Teams play in THE EUROPA LEAGUE.
...and every european country has the opportunity to play in the champion´s league. not only the top leagues. that´s why they play UCL qualifications.
Don't forget that a team that declares bankruptcy does not cease to exist. They can be forced by the football association to be relegated to an even lower league. This is what happens in many European countries, instead of playing in the second division, you play in the fourth or fifth division. This happens when relegated teams cannot present satisfactory financial planning for the COMING season. Then of course it will be even more difficult for relegated teams, but the chance to fight their way back to the top over a few years is still there.
When the draw for the fa cup is done, they usually announce when those matches will be played, 3rd Fa cup round is usually when Premier and Championship teams enter, and they are played on the weekend not midweek.
The Bundesliga is not how he said, La liga and Premier league are, 16th in the Bundesliga faces 3rd, 2 Bundesliga
There's a video by Brasilian Fury about the Brazilian league structure and it would be a great reaction. The Brazilian league has state championships
Not a Villa fan but you were wrong to dismiss them qualifying for the Champuons League. They are previous winners of the European Cup. The mighty Man City, for example, only just won their first one.
#sixtimes #ynwa
'Non League' in the UK (sorry, I mean England) specifically means from the 5th Division downwards. The top 4 divisions are known as 'League Teams'. The top 5 divisions, about 116 teams, are fully professional as are some teams further down the structure but the system of promotion and relegation goes way down the pyramid to regional and regional leagues, According to wiki there are 7000 (seven thousand !) teams in the English pyramid of promotion and relegation
Here in Brazil, the teams that don't compete in one of the 4 national divisions we call "sem divisão" (without division). Although in Brazil ALL clubs are obliged to play in state championships (even teams that are in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th Brazilian National Division) which generally take place between January - April or May while the 4 divisions of football National starts in mid-April or May. Clubs outside the 3 major divisions of Brazilian football (Série A, Serie B and Serie C) play in the state championships at the beginning of the year and try to win a place in Series D (fourth division) through these tournaments. called "without division" (although state championships also work on the division system)
@@diegoalbues2471 IMO this is basically how we'd have to set it up in the US if we wanted a pro/rel system that went down to the amateur level. We'd have to have state leagues to make the lower tiers more manageable. That being said, some of our states are _very_ small (Wyoming probably couldn't pull off a state soccer league, especially since they already have college sports and Pioneer League baseball), so even that system wouldn't catch everyone.
@@philipmcniel4908 You could probably have a combined state league in that case then e.g. Wyoming and Idaho
@@philipmcniel4908 Teams from states with few teams (in the USA) should join the league of other neighboring states that have more clubs.
@@diegoalbues2471 I'm not sure if you understand the mismatch between city/club size and travel distance (especially, as I said, with soccer not being the most popular sport). For reference, Wyoming--the least populous US state--has a capital with a population of only 64,000. I can't picture a club there regularly traveling 700-1000 km (or even farther) for their away matches, especially since most people in that state are more into college sports to begin with.
The financial gain for cup games for smaller teams doesn't come from winning the tournament but comes from the way the gate revenue is split. In regular league games the home team keeps all the money generated, but in a cup game the revenue is split between the two teams, so if a small low-division team gets drawn against a top team away from home sure they are probably going to get beat, but getting half the revenue from a a big team at a big stadium is the equivalent of winning the lottery.
The relegation system is fundamental to the vision of sport in Europe.
It’s not just about football.
For us, this is our vision of merit.
You win, you move up. You lose, you go down.
You can start a small neighborhood club yourself. You will start in the amateur division, 8th or 9th division.
And maybe you’ll have good management, good way to play, good player "scouting", and you’ll be the best in your division. And you move up.
Of course, the more you move up, the more it's hard to have good results, but maybe, after several years, your club will rise, division by division, and you will reach a professional level (usually the first two divisions of each country are at national and professional level, the third is semi-professional, and the following ones are at local and amateur level).
And if you lose too often, if you’re bad, you get out. You come down from division to division.
The major club in my city was in the first French division in the 1980s. But it had poor management and poor results.
He’s been playing in the French fourth division for 30 years now. Sometimes a year he’s good, and he goes up to the third division. Sometimes it makes a rotten year and it goes down in fourth diivision... and voilà ;)
This year, a "small" club (Brest) finished third in the first French division.
Honestly, this is a small club, which was still in lower division not long ago. His financial budget has nothing to do with a big french club like PSG for example.
But... he had a great season, after 34 matchs he finished in third position in the championship, and next year he will play the Champion’s League against the biggest historical clubs of European football. And of course, he will receive more financial income.
And that’s normal. Cause that’s what he deserves.
This relegation system is very important in Europe. Because it refers to the notion of merit in sport. Closed leagues are quite rare in Europe.
This is what the major European football clubs wanted to do last year, by creating a closed "superleague", just with them, imitating the NBA.
The fans immediately showed their anger towards these clubs, precisely because this is not the historical vision of sport and merit.
If a team is bad, it does not deserve to stay in the elite. Conversely, if a lower team has good results, it deserves to rise in the elite.
And yes, during the national cup, very small amateur clubs can meet big clubs.
Last year, a small French amateur club (Cassel, playing in fifth division) facing... the first French club, PSG.
Cassel club is not professional. During the week, its players work. One is a baker, another is an office worker... etc...
But the funny thing is that one of Cassel’s players was a fan of PSG. During the year, he goes to see PSG play in the European Champion's League, in the stands of PSG stadium in Paris, to support his favorite team. And there, he played against his idols.
So the score ended as expected, with 7 - 0 for PSG... but it was a party anyway. Cassel’s players knew their cup run would stop after this game, but they were so happy to be able to play against their idols. At he end of the match, they just want to take selfies with PSG players ;)
Imagine you. You play basketball on weekends with your friends in a small club in your neighborhood, or your little town, just because you like to play basketball.
And one day, your team captain say to you: "Ok guys, next week for the third round of the American National Basketball Cup, we will play at home against the Boston Celtics" ^^
Sorry for my english.
Man City just won the treble? Not really, they won the Premier League, but lost the FA cup against Man U (same city, different club!) and the Champions' League was won by Real Madrid (runner up = Dortmund). Man City lost the quarter final.
in the netherlands we have the same system as in the uk our divesion is called eredivisie. last year the Amsterdam team Ajax a team that won the national league 35 time was kicked out of the cup by amateurs
Something that doesn’t get talked about much with relegation is how critical it can be to bounce back quickly like Newcastle and like Leicester and quite a few other teams over the years
If you don’t you are at risk of getting stuck in those leagues for years at a time and having talented players picked off by the teams above.
Often what happens when a team gets relegated is the teams that are still in the Premier League will try to turn the head of players in relegated sides because they can still offer them Premier League football, so the really decent players tend to get sold… you then have two or three types of players left 1. Loyal players 2. Players no-one wants from the Premier League but might do a decent job in the Championship 3. Players that are crap and are on too high of a salary for any club to want to gamble on…. Ideally you want your team to be the majority made up of 1 and 2.
Then what happens is if you happen to be a team that pushes for the play-offs, you better hope you win it and get promoted or guess what?… the players that got you within touching distance of the Premier League will start coming up on the radar of the teams above and you’ll be back to the drawing board trying to unearth good players for not very much money… see Viktor Gyökeres (Coventry)
Great point I was thinking about that as well. Some higher players will even include this in their contract.
Yeah, this video didn't mention parachute payments (the extra money relegated clubs get during the first few years after relegation).
@@lperea21 yep a relegation release clause - for those not familiar it's typically a set agreed fee between the club and the player, that should they get relegated and receive a bid of a certain value, the club has to accept the bid. Typically the value of the release clause is a fair value reflection of the player or sometimes actually a little cheaper than what the player might be considered to be worth.
@@philipmcniel4908 The vídeo is a Europe wide summary introductory guide. Parachute payments are an England specific thing nor are necessarily to understand as part of an introduction.
@@gregweatherup9596 Ahh, thanks for the explanation! I didn't realize parachute payments were England-specific, though I did think that details like that should be skipped over when introducing a complete newcomer to the big picture.
Yes, teams have got unsolvent on which case, generally someone buys the franchise or dissapears forever like many teams that never returned
Insolvent.
Just have to say as a Coventrian that Coventry is ‘Cohv-En- Tree’ no ‘Cuv-Ent-Tree’ and definitely not Covington😅
Think of it like two words in one Covent and Tree.
Feel free to say what you want about the team though I don’t support them 😅 but a bit of history about them, though some of the younger people might not know and consider them “small” they were at one point amongst some of the clubs with the longest consecutive spells in the top flight football, they went 34 years in the top flight before eventually being relegated in 2001
They have even dropped down to League One at one point but are currently in the Championship (one below the Premier League) and over the past couple of season have looked like they are edging closer to get back, last season they narrowly missed out on the play offs and the season before that they lost the play off final to Luton
You’ll find also that it happens a lot that some historic Premier League clubs go down to the Championship and for quite some time struggle to get back out and can sometimes spend years or decades there, like Leeds, Nottingham Forest, Leicester, Middlesbrough, Blackburn, Portsmouth and Ipswich Town (who are finally returning after being relegated from the Premier League in 2002)
Lol, lol, I noticed that when I was editing. There is a town just outside of New Orleans where I live called Covington. My brain failed me in the moment.
@@lukessportsacademy I thought "it certainly sounds like a real place" couldn't place it on a map though 😅
he didn't talk about the super cups
The champions of euroa league vs the champions of uefa champions league
or the champions of demestic league vs the champions of the cup.
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a team can win up to 6 trophies a year
-domestic league
-domestic cup
-domestic super cup
-euefa champions league
-Euefa super cup
-clubs world cup
Who would you even play against in the Super Cup if you won both the league and the cup?
You guys have a chance to ride on World Cup in the 94, and start to implement the whole setup of league with promotion and relegation. If you ask my opinion, MLS basically a mini Super League for North America. You see how the whole Europe contested and condemn the whole idea of Super League because it is exclusivity.
The most important aspect in life that touch by promotion and relegation is basically HOPE. You can start from the bottom of pyramid and with good management, vision and project every club have the equal amount of hope to take the big chunk of money from the top league in the future. And this applied for all clubs and all of its stakeholders (players, coach, manager, scouting team etc)
I will never understand why americans have so many problems understanding the difference between club teams and country teams..
its the same in the US..
An american player can play for New York Fc and for the US
Luke the reason there is something like relegation in soccer is because the league is run by a entity different from the clubs that runs all soccer and is usually connected to the government in someway (Fifa rules limit that connection). That entitity is suppose to (1) keep the competition open to every club in the country so it sets rules based on merit. (If not how would you determine which of the hundreds of clubs can play at the top level?) and to (2) promote the development of the sport for the improvement of the national team. In the US leagues like the NBA for example are just a group of rich guys competing among themselves. They are not going to kick themselves out of their own league and certainly won´t allow just anyone to join in the business.
Doesn't matter what league my hometown is in I'm still going season ticket holder 5 years. some great times so lows wouldn't change it for the world *Championship team*
That’s what football is about, commitment! Go Bilbo!
Please also note that the relegation system is not only happening between the 1st and 2nd league. I tis going all the way down to the beginner level amateur leagues. So the local village's soccer club playing the lower or medium tier amateur leagues are i the same system as the professional teams at the top. You can build up an amateur team to a professional one over several years. This has happened.
Also relegated teams usually do not get bankrupt and vanish. They scale down their budget and adapt, for example, by selling players. And they fight next season to get to the top league again. Also the second league is not completely irrelevant financially. They still have decent sized stadiums with a loyal local fanbase and thousands of paying spectators at the matches. So it is definitely not all or nothing.
In Spain, back in 2020/21 season a 3rd division side named "CD Alcoyano" have managed to eliminate Real Madrid from copa del rey round of 32...
In that game, RMD for the starting lineup they've used mostly bench players with couple players from the farmers team, but when things got lil bit ugly the've quickly subbed all their main stars in and that line-up pretty much changed to their regular lineup that they use in la liga & CL matches, but those subs weren't enough as they end up losing that game 2-1 crashing out the copa del rey against a 3rd division team..
Same thing happened to Barca back in 2004/05 season
P.S: Excuse my bad english, big fan of this channel from Morocco !!
"You just don't get to be the Browns every year" Golden quote 😂
Preußen Münster was a founding member of the 1st Bundesliga. They rose from 4th regional Division to 2nd Division within the last 2 years. Next season will be the first time in 33 Years for them to play 2nd Division again.
8:32 the European soccer season is like if the NCAA basketball regular season, conference basketball tournaments, and NCAA basketball tournament was all played at the same time.
The money problems from being relegated only lasted like 10-15 years because before like the 90s when a swedish president of UEFA created the champions league people didnt make that much money from playing football. nowadays every team have contracts withe every single player that secures them from financial mega hits... its still a hit to get relegated ofcourse BUT if you get relegated every single player loses a pretty big procentage of their salery ! ! same goes in the second tier leagues... they gain a big procentage salery if they get promoted... this is just a winwin allaround with insentive to not lose and to win to go up/not down and for the club to not go bankrupt.
There are teams with many teams in different divisions. Normally are name of team + letter A , B, etc. If one team A is relegated to team B league, the team B also is relegated. Team B cannot promote to a ligue with A team
American league systems literally make no sense and it is all about sustaining their cashflow for the owners. Think how many decades of drama you have actually missed out on when it comes to promotion and relegation!!! Where the owners actually have to work hard to achieve something and not just rely on coming near the bottom to be able to be near the top the next season!
It's interesting and true, Luke, that you should note that, on the financial side of things, the way football clubs in Europe operate is "such an American system". You rightly said that, in America, the worst performing team in NFL is rewarded by getting first pick in the draft. But more important, it does not suffer financially like relegated clubs in Europe do because the income is also more equally and equitably distributed through the NFL (66% of the $18.7 billion in 2022 NFL revenue was distributed in equal allotments to the 32 teams, according to Sportico). This is such an unexpected arrangement that it attracted the attention of a British center-right, somewhat liberal, publication, The Economist, to write an article "How socialism boosts American sport" highlighting the unusualness of such a system to exist in the USA, out of all places.
spreading the message ... Luke I am so proud...
The Champions league from 2024/25 onwards the top 8 go forward to the last 16 while 9-24 go through to Knockout Rounds.
The titles have a hierarchy based on bragging rights and money. Champions league title is higher than league and league is higher than cup. Then there are unification cups that aren't as coveted.
Starting from the next season the formula of the Champions League will change (a very weird formula even for Europeans), so that video should be updated.
Missed the stream was watching the game with friends hope yous enjoyed it
I don't know about other countries but in the UK we have what we call parachute payments to lessen the blow of relegation for a few years but there is still a big loss of revenue. But very few Clubs go insolvent. They just sack the manager sell a few players and carry on.And hope to rise again. And could someone tell me the nine teams that went bust . The top teams play over 60 games a season
Nearly every country in the World have the relegation system in sport
Take a look on recent case of Schalke relegation. Poor management made them relegated to the second division, yet they are not recovering performance wise. And they were threatened to be relegated to 4th division in this season. This club needs to be in Bundesliga, should be in Bundesliga. Knowing the Gelsenkirchen stadium demand high cost maintenance and the players salary are also high
No games are being rescheduled, unless there's a flood, a volcanic eruption or a revolution. Your club played a game on Sunday and you have to play on Tuesday? Tough luck...
Liechtenstein the only country without a league as the clubs play in Switzerland, there is a Liechtenstein Cup Vaduz is the most successful club.
I would add that Monaco has a club that plays in France, so it's a similar situation except that that club is a European contender.
@@philipmcniel4908 Monaco do have their own national team, which aren't part of FIFA or UEFA and do have other clubs than Monaco FC, Sun Casino fc are the most successful club of Challenge Prince Rainier III a cup competition.
@@jameshumphreys9715 Liechtenstein has its own national team too: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liechtenstein_national_football_team
If the competition in Monaco is a cup competition, then how is it different from Liechtenstein having a cup competition? (And of course, Liechtenstein has more clubs than just Vaduz FC, just like Monaco has more clubs than AS Monaco.)
Seems like they're (at least mostly) analogous to me!
Monaco has three cup competitions, but no league.
Liechtenstein also has its own national team which unlike Monaco is part of the UEFA/FIFA.
Love your videos even if you are a Cowboys fan in American Football. Go Packers! Keep up the work so that more people can enjoy Association Football.
there is farm teams of big clubs in european football but i think there is rule that they cant get to same level as the main team. example: FC Barcelona has B team at 3.division of spanish league system literally called Fc Barcelona B
fun fact couple of years ago in finland's cup Ilves played against their b team and lost to them
Every real sport in every country has relegation. Only sports that are big millionaires buying teams into a league don't have that. For me that isn't even sport then. I stopped lol esport when they removed relegation
I hate when Football is called as a synonymous of "EUROPE", im from Argentina, Southamerica, and my country globally speaking is one of the most succesfull at football in the entire history, even our "Mid table teams" beated the sh*t out of the best Euroteams in the past (Not nowdays bc the Bosman Law that made the rich richer). Football is WORLDWIDE not EUROPEAN. At clubs lvl Argentina is the country with more international titles in the world (75), 2nd Spain (74) and 3rd Brasil (63)... and at National titles (WC, Copa América, Olympics,etc) Argentina is the most succesfull (22), Brasil 2nd (20) and Uruguay 3rd (19). So the question is WHY EUROPEAN AND NOT WORLDWIDE?
Let’s guess it has to do with that circumstance that created the song _"Football's coming home!"_ , right? Right.
Amigo, soy brasileño y esto se debe a la arrogancia de los estadounidenses en asuntos ajenos.
Si para ellos lo que pasa en Europa es irrelevante, ¿imaginan lo que pasa en el resto del mundo? ¡Para ellos es inexistente!
Ahora quieren que el mundo entero se rinda y se deje seducir por su soft power propagandístico y cultural.
…… you know the answer.
How many foreign players play in argentina s league……
The only ppl who care or follow are ppl from the country .
Give us Cristian Pavon to Panathinaikos please
Rule no.1 : It's Football. Soccer is acceptable. European Football....meh... European Soccer (I would tell you to get lost...)
(We don't call American Football "American Rugby" either. It's plain dumb).
Yeah, that was cheap (and I'm sorry. Sorry it needed to be said ;) )
Anyway.
The difference between Football and Football:
1 games uses feet 95% of the time, the other uses hands 95% of the time. Oh, and commercials... I hate those.
The coefficent isnt hard
bankrupt is insolvent
I love that you're so bitten by the sport bud, GGs.
Edit: Minor European leagues get a chance at a spot too, through qualifiers. Kinda the only way our Scandinavian teams get to show up lol
Bro!! You are crushing it!! Deep in the wormhole now
If you wanna read about a upset lookup Ajax vs Hercules in the KNVB cup
If Atalanta in Italy had finished in 5th place in their league Italy would’ve had 6 champions league spots
They are called giant killing .
I have a question.
If its called Champions League then why does teams that come 2nd, 3rd and 4th in some countries get to join when they are not Champions? But other countries get to send only one team.
The should change the name to Richest Clubs League if you ask me. Teams that are not champions should not be in Champions League.
THE CHAMPIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNSSSSSSSSS!!!
let him do a reaction to the MLS 😊 , however the European cups will change next season
Hi there! I also want to say I enjoy your videos… and I hope good things happens to you… stay healthy!! #yesyoucan
99% of the world play by the same rules as in Europe nice to American football catching up
Fun fact: I was amateur player and my team qualified for cup and we drew Bayern. Just imagine my fat dumb ass who works as paramedic vs Lewandowski who recieves millions to play.
80 milion euro player vs peanut worth 20 year old
Bro react to the biggest underdogs in the world cup!!!
if we take england ,, the relegated teams will have "umbrella money" for 1 year i think that means they keep the same amount of money in the championship that they got in premier league, so this vid is very VERY outdated
major upset this year? 3. Liga Saarbrücken eliminated two or three 1.Bundesliga Teams (including Bayern München) in the DFB Cup 😆
I dont even know the new rules of champions league to qualify , and this is my fsvorties sport. I will figure it out eventually i guess😂😂
I'm guessing the new qualification rules are the same as the old rules, but with more berths (meaning those increased number of berths needed to be allocated, which is why UEFA league coefficients were in the news).
@@philipmcniel4908 mostly, yes. The one exception is the new “European Performance Spots” which are a bonus slot to the two best coefficient earning countries in the previous season (instead of the normal 5 season consideration).
Well - that went wrong fast - no Twitch link in the description as promised. Shocking attention to detail - the penalty? Eat some black pudding. :)
😂
www.twitch.tv/lukessportsacademy
@@lukessportsacademy I salute the sub-millisecond response to comments. Bravo sir.
USA is simply one of the few worlds of this planet...
The video you're reacting to has quite a few inaccuracies.
The money 'lost' in relegation just refers to the fact that teams in the top division get more money from TV rights than those in the lower leagues, so the financial hit varies massively depending on the country/league.
It's also not always bottom 3 go down, that depends on the league, and and the example of the Bundesliga is wrong as two teams in the relegation zone are automatically relegated, and the one above them has a match against the 3rd (I think) team in Bundesliga 2.
In the Championship (league below Premier League), the top two automatically go up and then the teams in 3rd to 6th place compete for the final spot in playoffs.
Some countries also have multiple domestic cups, so you could do a 'domestic treble' in England by winning the FA cup, the League cup, and the league title. There are also trophies only open to the teams in the lower leagues.
With midweek cup games, bear in mind that the further into the season you are, the fewer teams that are still in the cups as they're knockout tournaments.
The World Name, for The Game is FOOTBALL ... Fact!.
Don't try to understand. You are american.
Thanks.
sorry mate its not soccer its FOOTBALL
lets go bad time to Upload tho ❤ but much love sry i could not be there in the Stream today if there is a Germany game it means family time 🤌⚽
In spain, there are actually teams in the lower leagues that are essentially the minor league affiliate of larger teams, and they cannot be promoted to la liga even if they win their division
its the same in germany and it causes some problems..