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EVO Fan Yeah This American Life did an interesting two part series on police. They tend to see things completely differently. Cognitive dissodence is a bitch.
EVO Fan Well being a cop doesn't require an extensive education career, most of these ppl only have a high school diploma... It's silly these ppl have so much power yet small education careers, which is fucking insane and a joke.
Especially since his definition practically described the situation in Camden. I felt like the interviewer should have asked him: "Really? Cause its sounds like all that stuff IS going on."
14:44 - "Is Camden a police state?" *instantly and dismissively turns head* "No, not at all" "Then what would be a police state?" *Proceeds to give pretty accurate definition of what they're actually doing*
If you see sky-high crime rates, you better believe the population will be poor and desperate for money. Its hard to see this when you know there are assholes in this world with more money than they can use. The gap between the rich and the very poor is far far too large.
I'm sure ill get a lot of shit for this but. If you lived in a shit hole nation ( like parts of africa ) with little food, and clean water. Why would you have a child? That child is just going to die of starvation or disease.
you are right that children in the camps are likely to die early of disease or starvation. but it simply isn't as simple as people just wanting to have kids. rape is very common in refugee camps like the one shown in this video. these women are left to care for children they didn't intend to have in the first place. also (sometimes) the stigma in communities like these is that women are required to have children whether they like it or not. the answer to your question is that it all comes down to how women are being treated and the expectations men have for women in general. just my own take on it.
Its a numbers game I guess. the more you have the more better chance your family name will continue to prosper. You never know 1 out of 10 children in the family might make it out and make millions and take all his family out the dump hole. its like lottery. I would do the same but im in los angeles. lol
It's more likely for your kids to die because of disease and food so you churn out a bunch of kids so that if a few die you still have a few left. Plus more help with trying to get food and water and stuff.
ok i get your point but did you ever think about that most people there dont even know that condoms and other contraceptives exist? so its hard for them to have sex without getting children. and even if they knew i dont think they could afford it...
Fun fact: the guy at the beginning cursing at the cop is named Joselito, and his brother Mikey and sister Savannah were both arrested by the new police force for 3 murders between both of them
that was the negative about Camden NJ here's the positive. recorded music has it;s roots in Camden, recorded country music has it's roots in Camden, Campbell soup has it's main headquarters here, Martin Luther King lived here before he went to Montgomery Alabama for four years, Camden shaped his views on the civil rights movement (Dr Ulysses Wiggins was friend and mentor). the first drive in theater was in Camden, and we all know Walt Whitman lived here.When i walk through my city i don't see trash, i see the begin to better, out of adversity great things happen .
We (America) give over 1.5 billion in military aid to Egypt but we can not spend any on people who need it. Before anyone says anything about oil we get most of our oil from Canada and Venezuela so don't
Not just oil, western capitalism. There is no clear investments for businesses besides weaponry to be made in Sudan, so why should the U.S care about a country like Sudan? and forget that fairy tale shit of relieving the world of suffering.
Interesting how the 2012 Camden police reform is being cited as an example for what police forces could do rn but this shows it in a very different light
Camden's situation is so terrible. It breaks so many constitutional rights. Why can the police tell you not to stand on the corner and why can they issue these tickets for loitering and these other "crimes"? They can't honestly legally can't. That's against probably cause. Suspicion isn't a solid argument to put you in an legal altercation. I still personally think it's unconstitutional for drugs to be illegal in the first place because you're in the privacy of your own home. These cameras are DEFINITELY a violation of the constitution. I like the idea on paper but it's obvious that with the way these police officers are handling this, it'll cause MUCH more harm and civil distress than good.
I love that when ask by the reporter "Is this a Police State" the head COP says "That's where you have police every street, limit people's movement, and some other nonsense ..CHECK,CHECK CHECK
I like imagine how the world will be in 40 years after the Sudanese conflict, Syrian Civil War, Ukrainian War, and the downfall of the drug cartels in Mexico.
I'm sorry to say this but those camps aren't meant for you to mooch off of forever that's why the funding has been cut in half and eventually will be again. That's the problem with helping people they expect you to do it again and again, or in this case forever. Those camps we're clearly constructed for temporary aid until the people worked at rebuilding and creating a sustainable food source. Someone please correct me if I'm mistaken.
Maybe if the actual cause of why they are in the camps was dealt with they wouldn't need aid and wouldn't have to ask for people to send them food, money and medicine.
also i like the editing on when he asks if the city is a police state and the officer says no and as he describes a police state it shows how they actually are a police state
I really sympathize with these Sudan people and their bad situation, but this hyperbole spin on everything is really making me cringe. No, I don't believe that a months sugar ration, for the whole refugee camp, amounts to a teaspoon full. They obviously have issues getting enough food and water for these people, that sugar "example" still ends up feeling odd.. And I also find it also hard to believe that these guys fought off 516 vehicles/21 tanks and "took them all killing 600". No doubt they had a fight there and they probably won, but this "boosting up the numbers in unrealistic ways" just ends up making them look hilarious.
If I had cameras flooding my neighborhood, I would take advantage of it by covering my house with QR codes leading to me and my GF's websites/etc. Free advertising!
4:55 she's cute, too bad shes working for government surveillance so she's going to be one of those ultra clingy chicks except at an unprecedented level because she will have access to all personal information of the guy she's dating.
im a Korean living in Korea, which is a country that has one of the most street cameras in the world. It is said that there are almost 1 or more camera in every 3 block radius in Seoul. However, majority of citizens advocate the cameras because it does help with arrest rates. Also, Korea has a very low drug use rate so most cases of surveillance is only done to see the recordings of the crime that took place. I think it is controversial and depends on the country
I like this. I know it is not a proper answer, but as someone who wants to feel safe, this makes me feel safe. Im just a law student trying to get to class
i currently live in Camden NJ and it just keeps getting worse and worse. The first week I lived in my house, a man that I saw everyday was shot right in front of my house in a drive by.I was so hysterical being that I've never seen anything like that in my life. He asked me not to leave him and I held his hand till my roommate pulled me away just in case the shooters came back. Luckily he survived but his two friends died. Such a shame
As someone who lives in Camden County can we please inform people that the average taxpayer pays $10,000 /year in property taxes google search homes in the county and then look at taxes.
I find it odd that they got rid of half the force but could afford to purchase a system like this and form a military style unit.The cost for both is astronomical.
In the refugee camps, I understand it's easier said than done - but if only half of them reproduced the population of the camp would drop due to mortality rates. Then, balance a number of people with how much food is being given to ensure a healthier percentage. Their rations and building material is spread way too thin but with a lower population could potentially be more manageable.
Survalliance city, thought they where talking about London, the UK has the most CCTV cameras out of every country and more than twice that of second place.
The Sudan Armed Forces announced that it had killed Khalil Ibrahim with an air strike in North Kordofan on 25 December 2011. This episode is early 2011 ?
You kidding me?? The cops getting all bug and bad with a teenager just walking down the sidewalk and says if i see you around here again ill get you for loitering. I swear to god if that isn't evidence of abuse of authority then i dont know what is. If you were to get stopped by a cop like that and they ask you to stop and show ID you dont have to unless they have a valid reason. If you know they dont have a reason and you KNOW you did nothing wrong then how are you supposed to assert your rights as a citizen and refuse that shit?? Someone please tell me.
Damn, this looks like one of those futuristic cops movies. About the forgotten war, that sudanese general seemed reseonable and wise, I wish him good fortune on his strategy. Those people must understand that their best chance of maintaning peace and stability is by changing radically their government system, for whatever group that may win the civil war. Something more in the terms of a republic, so they never have again a power hungry mongrol as leader, followed by blinded convenient officers that only look upon their own lavish way of life.
being a police officer has to be the most depressing job in the world. Your basically going against THE Law Of Attraction" everyday by being in negative situations.
People shouldn't make the mistake of assuming this technology will only be used in high-crime impoverished areas. Your neighborhood will be turned into a panopticon soon enough unless your community organizes resistance *before* your local authorities sign the multimillion dollar contract to install cameras on every corner.
the fuck is this 30 minute bullshit? as an avid follower of VICE; you guys know you need at least 60-90 minutes per episode to legitimately convey a story like you used to.
Dealers adapted. But then so will the cops right? Benelux simply switched to encrypted communications to foil scanners. Also a lot of research has shown camera's have little if any effect on crime.
I was born and raised in Camden 33 yrs. I left there 8 yrs ago. I moved far away to the other side of the country.. lol. To the West Coast. I am doing so good. Good job, family, house, cars. So glad I made it out of there. There are good people there. Lots of them. There's just more drugs, crime, and poverty. More like infested with drugs and crime. It was way worse 10-20 yrs ago. I'm truthfully on the fence. That city needs to be cleaned up bad!! But the police force was too intense. They were called military style. I try not to get caught up in the Marshall law hype, but damn!! If there ever was a beginning.... just saying.
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Holy shit that facial recognition technology reminds me of watch dog's
correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't this on before some time ago?
Great episode! Keep up the amazing work!
Good jobs guys, im from camden and i find this very true.
It's interesting how almost none of the opposition can speak English properly.
Getting him to define what a police state is was brilliant!
yea while showing video of police officers doing it was awesome. Some cops are brainwashed and don't use logic
EVO Fan Yeah This American Life did an interesting two part series on police. They tend to see things completely differently.
Cognitive dissodence is a bitch.
EVO Fan Well being a cop doesn't require an extensive education career, most of these ppl only have a high school diploma... It's silly these ppl have so much power yet small education careers, which is fucking insane and a joke.
Especially since his definition practically described the situation in Camden. I felt like the interviewer should have asked him: "Really? Cause its sounds like all that stuff IS going on."
Stefan Bekowsky he'd probably get locked up for some fabricated written law lol
I like how the cop said Camden wasn't a police state, then described everything going on in Camden as a definitive police state.
Henry Bullwinkle right, funny
@Bema Naturu China.
It is a police state, but it also deserves to be and should be a police state.
Definitely a police state
fucking idiot
14:44 - "Is Camden a police state?"
*instantly and dismissively turns head* "No, not at all"
"Then what would be a police state?"
*Proceeds to give pretty accurate definition of what they're actually doing*
exactly. being out there regularly that is exactly what goes on too
If you see sky-high crime rates, you better believe the population will be poor and desperate for money. Its hard to see this when you know there are assholes in this world with more money than they can use. The gap between the rich and the very poor is far far too large.
Also, anyone else get 1984 vibes? It makes me very nervous.
Monique Pihl 1984 has been done and its called facebook
Hank Hill I'm not sure you've actually read the book than. facebook is not comparable.
Instead of stealing and selling drugs, they need to steal some work boots and work.
***** if that person is starving it would probably be the kind thing to do. Idk bout you, but I would.
“When the people fear the government, that's tyranny; when the government fears the people, that's freedom.”
-THOMAS JEFFERSON
"We wanna sell drugs and harm the community, freedom!" 😭😭
“Those who give up liberty for security deserve neither.”
Benjamin Franklin
Fuck yo freedoms.
-The state
I'm sure ill get a lot of shit for this but.
If you lived in a shit hole nation ( like parts of africa ) with little food, and clean water. Why would you have a child? That child is just going to die of starvation or disease.
you are right that children in the camps are likely to die early of disease or starvation. but it simply isn't as simple as people just wanting to have kids. rape is very common in refugee camps like the one shown in this video. these women are left to care for children they didn't intend to have in the first place. also (sometimes) the stigma in communities like these is that women are required to have children whether they like it or not. the answer to your question is that it all comes down to how women are being treated and the expectations men have for women in general. just my own take on it.
Its a numbers game I guess. the more you have the more better chance your family name will continue to prosper. You never know 1 out of 10 children in the family might make it out and make millions and take all his family out the dump hole. its like lottery. I would do the same but im in los angeles. lol
It's more likely for your kids to die because of disease and food so you churn out a bunch of kids so that if a few die you still have a few left. Plus more help with trying to get food and water and stuff.
These people are not sexually educated and have absolutely no money for condoms.
ok i get your point but did you ever think about that most people there dont even know that condoms and other contraceptives exist? so its hard for them to have sex without getting children. and even if they knew i dont think they could afford it...
The little bird sitting on top of that surveillance camera is more free than the people walking below it.
Duh. What point are you trying to make?
Fun fact: the guy at the beginning cursing at the cop is named Joselito, and his brother Mikey and sister Savannah were both arrested by the new police force for 3 murders between both of them
that was the negative about Camden NJ here's the positive. recorded music has it;s roots in Camden, recorded country music has it's roots in Camden, Campbell soup has it's main headquarters here, Martin Luther King lived here before he went to Montgomery Alabama for four years, Camden shaped his views on the civil rights movement (Dr Ulysses Wiggins was friend and mentor). the first drive in theater was in Camden, and we all know Walt Whitman lived here.When i walk through my city i don't see trash, i see the begin to better, out of adversity great things happen .
jose cruz you must be a Democrat.
To me, It feels like each decade little by little we step closer and closer to the world in the book written by George Orwell's '1984'.
Unfortunately a bunch of criminals makes that possible.
After watching this it brings to mind the short story "The Pedestrian" by Ray Bradbury. The similarities are striking.
We (America) give over 1.5 billion in military aid to Egypt but we can not spend any on people who need it. Before anyone says anything about oil we get most of our oil from Canada and Venezuela so don't
stenbak88 lmao. most eastern countries couldn't do fucking shit without western technology about oil fracking technology. that's a fact.
Not just oil, western capitalism. There is no clear investments for businesses besides weaponry to be made in Sudan, so why should the U.S care about a country like Sudan? and forget that fairy tale shit of relieving the world of suffering.
Egypt need it...
*****
I'm just talking about the technology on how to "gain" oil, not the fracking itself. I accidently twisted some words.
America gets most of their oil from Texas.
Interesting how the 2012 Camden police reform is being cited as an example for what police forces could do rn but this shows it in a very different light
The beat at 3:43 was a nice touch
"walking while being white and standing while being black"
We'll that's nothing new
Vice so tongue in cheek when describing a police state
The first segment is a perfect example of the classic catch-22 trap "Damn you if you do, and damn you if you don't"
Camden's situation is so terrible. It breaks so many constitutional rights. Why can the police tell you not to stand on the corner and why can they issue these tickets for loitering and these other "crimes"? They can't honestly legally can't. That's against probably cause. Suspicion isn't a solid argument to put you in an legal altercation. I still personally think it's unconstitutional for drugs to be illegal in the first place because you're in the privacy of your own home. These cameras are DEFINITELY a violation of the constitution. I like the idea on paper but it's obvious that with the way these police officers are handling this, it'll cause MUCH more harm and civil distress than good.
I love that when ask by the reporter "Is this a Police State" the head COP says "That's where you have police every street, limit people's movement, and some other nonsense ..CHECK,CHECK CHECK
My fucking lord, THE definition of police state haha "hey lady get off the corner"
Anybody else noticed the metro struggling to answer the reporter's question about what a police state is? haha
Security at the price of freedom... So pathetic
the cop describing a police state with the police state montage was great film makeing editing and a great example of cognitive dissonance
I like imagine how the world will be in 40 years after the Sudanese conflict, Syrian Civil War, Ukrainian War, and the downfall of the drug cartels in Mexico.
Pretty much the same, but with lasers.
collin ohlinger hahaha a very good comment
collin ohlinger
Have you seen the railgun. Pew Pew.
Drug cartels won't be gone in 40 years if the PRI stay in power
Christ may have returned by then.
The lack of self awareness at 14:40 was disturbing as hell
I'm sorry to say this but those camps aren't meant for you to mooch off of forever that's why the funding has been cut in half and eventually will be again. That's the problem with helping people they expect you to do it again and again, or in this case forever. Those camps we're clearly constructed for temporary aid until the people worked at rebuilding and creating a sustainable food source. Someone please correct me if I'm mistaken.
Maybe if the actual cause of why they are in the camps was dealt with they wouldn't need aid and wouldn't have to ask for people to send them food, money and medicine.
Lol nice comment
yup just like the Europeans who came to America
I love Vice! Awesome episode! Really sad to see what's happening in Camden, NJ!
The singing in the end is beyond badass
yes war song
also i like the editing on when he asks if the city is a police state and the officer says no and as he describes a police state it shows how they actually are a police state
I really sympathize with these Sudan people and their bad situation, but this hyperbole spin on everything is really making me cringe.
No, I don't believe that a months sugar ration, for the whole refugee camp, amounts to a teaspoon full. They obviously have issues getting enough food and water for these people, that sugar "example" still ends up feeling odd..
And I also find it also hard to believe that these guys fought off 516 vehicles/21 tanks and "took them all killing 600". No doubt they had a fight there and they probably won, but this "boosting up the numbers in unrealistic ways" just ends up making them look hilarious.
They really were starving them out though. You should read up on where the refugees are now
At the 15 minute mark he asks what's a police state and the chief perfectly describes what's going on there and says it's not...wow
If I had cameras flooding my neighborhood, I would take advantage of it by covering my house with QR codes leading to me and my GF's websites/etc. Free advertising!
Finity1990 Word up!
I wonder if those gentlemen in Trenton realize that the scanner apps on phones are often delayed.
4:55 she's cute, too bad shes working for government surveillance so she's going to be one of those ultra clingy chicks except at an unprecedented level because she will have access to all personal information of the guy she's dating.
im a Korean living in Korea, which is a country that has one of the most street cameras in the world. It is said that there are almost 1 or more camera in every 3 block radius in Seoul. However, majority of citizens advocate the cameras because it does help with arrest rates. Also, Korea has a very low drug use rate so most cases of surveillance is only done to see the recordings of the crime that took place. I think it is controversial and depends on the country
1984 Big Brother
True
I like this. I know it is not a proper answer, but as someone who wants to feel safe, this makes me feel safe. Im just a law student trying to get to class
Camden needs to be shut down
i currently live in Camden NJ and it just keeps getting worse and worse. The first week I lived in my house, a man that I saw everyday was shot right in front of my house in a drive by.I was so hysterical being that I've never seen anything like that in my life. He asked me not to leave him and I held his hand till my roommate pulled me away just in case the shooters came back. Luckily he survived but his two friends died. Such a shame
its been 6 years since u wrote this. Have things gotten better? have the cameras and all the cops helped? or did you move ?
Eyedea & Abilities at the beginning? Nice
HELL YEAH MAN! Burn Fetish!
I was in Manilla last year and they had something close to this ...
Absolutely breathtaking stuff
Anyone else find that war song fire at the end
14:47 really like the irony shown here....
The police office at 8:07 had an intense stare, you can tell how well he is at profiling.
“We gettin’ money!” With your broke ass iPhone 4! Lmmfao! 😂
awesome work guys! never miss a new Ep! keep up the good work! much love :P
Wow! The sound comes from the future! Amazing!
I just watched the episode killing cancer and, all I can say is GOD IS GOOD!!! and Great reporting once again Vice. I look foward to future episodes.
This episode is so intense, it skips the episode 11.
23:22 ROFL Ben's response had me in stiches
interesting how the big brother concept is coming out
Even if it is helpful, the idea of cameras watching your every move is pretty scary, and could easily be abused.
A free man never gives up his privacy in the name of security...
Good job Vice, once again!
I live like 10 mins away from Camden in the suburbs
As someone who lives in Camden County can we please inform people that the average taxpayer pays $10,000 /year in property taxes google search homes in the county and then look at taxes.
9:00 " we don't have our privacy no more..." of course not it's a public place.
You know its that bad, when the police patrol the streets with not just 1, not 2, BUT 3 cops at a time. Kinda scary.
Haha getting a letter in the mail Sir/Ma'am we observed your car in a drug deal please stop immediately.
i used to live in camden when i was a little kid and they drove by my old school and my familys houses and shit itd crazy
Lol when he explains police state it matches to what they are doing and he says they aren't
All these cameras and people still getting away with murder
2:31-2:36 is the best part.
I find it odd that they got rid of half the force but could afford to purchase a system like this and form a military style unit.The cost for both is astronomical.
Zimbabwe is headed there too. I'm just waiting for the 2nd coming.
the dude at 9:31 speaks the truth. How scary
On a more serious note . . what is that beat/song in the new jersey part. You kno the one I mean
Vikram is the best reporter on Vice
Never visiting Camden. Wow!
Jose Cordero looks like Forest Whitaker
In the refugee camps, I understand it's easier said than done - but if only half of them reproduced the population of the camp would drop due to mortality rates.
Then, balance a number of people with how much food is being given to ensure a healthier percentage.
Their rations and building material is spread way too thin but with a lower population could potentially be more manageable.
Did that snowman have a weave on lol??
I can't find episode 11 for some reason
The song starting at 2:15 is eyedeas & abilities - burn fetish. You're welcome.
Well done.
this the same thing that happens in watch dogs with the face scanners
Obama point at 23:28 was on point.....
Survalliance city, thought they where talking about London, the UK has the most CCTV cameras out of every country and more than twice that of second place.
The Sudan Armed Forces announced that it had killed Khalil Ibrahim
with an air strike in North Kordofan on 25 December 2011. This episode is early 2011 ?
You kidding me?? The cops getting all bug and bad with a teenager just walking down the sidewalk and says if i see you around here again ill get you for loitering. I swear to god if that isn't evidence of abuse of authority then i dont know what is. If you were to get stopped by a cop like that and they ask you to stop and show ID you dont have to unless they have a valid reason. If you know they dont have a reason and you KNOW you did nothing wrong then how are you supposed to assert your rights as a citizen and refuse that shit?? Someone please tell me.
WOW theres been talk abt this yrs ago now its come to a reality
Omg that cop at 14:45 said everything there doing and said we're not doing that are you fucking kidding me
14:50 that guy cant be saying that with a straight look on his face
Damn, this looks like one of those futuristic cops movies.
About the forgotten war, that sudanese general seemed reseonable and wise, I wish him good fortune on his strategy. Those people must understand that their best chance of maintaning peace and stability is by changing radically their government system, for whatever group that may win the civil war. Something more in the terms of a republic, so they never have again a power hungry mongrol as leader, followed by blinded convenient officers that only look upon their own lavish way of life.
being a police officer has to be the most depressing job in the world. Your basically going against THE Law Of Attraction" everyday by being in negative situations.
People shouldn't make the mistake of assuming this technology will only be used in high-crime impoverished areas. Your neighborhood will be turned into a panopticon soon enough unless your community organizes resistance *before* your local authorities sign the multimillion dollar contract to install cameras on every corner.
the fuck is this 30 minute bullshit? as an avid follower of VICE; you guys know you need at least 60-90 minutes per episode to legitimately convey a story like you used to.
Does anyone really believe that anyone else wants to live in this city so full of Jack boots any more than they would with all the criminals?
Wait those cameras can move side to side
its official, cyberpunk dystopia is here
Dealers adapted. But then so will the cops right? Benelux simply switched to encrypted communications to foil scanners.
Also a lot of research has shown camera's have little if any effect on crime.
psh they got cameras like that in alot of cities including Cleveland where i live
Thats a bad thing, not good.
Man, and nj is my home town
Camden, New Jersey is slowly becoming a real-life version of Half Life 2
I was born and raised in Camden 33 yrs. I left there 8 yrs ago. I moved far away to the other side of the country.. lol. To the West Coast. I am doing so good. Good job, family, house, cars. So glad I made it out of there. There are good people there. Lots of them. There's just more drugs, crime, and poverty. More like infested with drugs and crime. It was way worse 10-20 yrs ago. I'm truthfully on the fence. That city needs to be cleaned up bad!! But the police force was too intense. They were called military style. I try not to get caught up in the Marshall law hype, but damn!! If there ever was a beginning.... just saying.
E and a in the back song. Much love r eyebp.
Good episode :)