Not even close. I think I was fooled by the premium price into thinking it would be awesome. It's interesting, and some things are fun at first, but ultimately not even close to being worth $4k! In my opinion, this is a $300 product.
If they give me agent avatars that hear, see, and speak to me, and can manipulate the VR environment both presumptuously and upon request, I will give them a lot of money. I'm trying to set up something in VRChat like that, because I believe it will be the best way to introduce people to GPT agents immersively.
Yes. Apple should make apps for interfacing with VRChat and for displaying data visualizations, and harvest the data for movement and the visualizations. (Not the user's data, but how it's being visualized.)
The fact that it will not remember your last state, and that you can't have multiple Mac windows open (and no external Chrome app (would not need Chrome if Safari allowed multiple profiles)), and that you can't wear it for a complete movie without having to adjust it, all make this a no go for me. Wait for the next version. I don't need someone to 'see' my eyes so remove the glass and make everything lighter (carbon fiber?) IF there has to be an indicator, then a Red LED line when I don't see through and a Green LED line when I do. Much lighter than the glass, cheaper than using passthrough.
From what others reported, it absolutely does remember all the open apps and their position - if you put it in standby mode instead of disconnecting the battery. Only once the battery is disconnected it forgets that all and has to reboot.
Yup. Disconnecting the battery is forcing a hard reset every time. Best to leave the battery attached unless not intending to use it for a long stretch
So, there's no shutoff button that saves the current state? And then be able to remove the shackles of the powerbank wihtout losing the state? It'd make more sense to have a power-off button (saves state), stow away the device in the nice puffy pillow case, get off the plane, or get in a car, etc.
Thanks for putting in the work and taking on the cost. It’s videos like these that add value to guys like us. For me personally I’ll wait for the 3rd version of it. In terms of your video Matt, I’ve seen at least 5 reviews from the major TH-camrs…and all things considered, yours has been the best
Like you, I bought it on a whim over the weekend. The statement you made that rings most true to me is, "You have to make time to use the Apple Vision Pro". When I am at my desk my Mac Studio is preferred, when I am with the family or even just my wife I feel separated from them. So when do you use it, on a plane, working in a coffee shop, or traveling? All are good use cases, but $4K for those use cases doesn't add up for me.
Using your phone to check messages is always going to be more convenient and more comfortable, using your laptop or desktop is always going to be more convenient and more comfortable, using your TV to watch movies with family and friends is always going to be more convenient and more comfortable. and you can bet within a few months vision pro is going to be banned on airplanes, fellow passengers are not going to tolerate VP users waving their hands into their space, because a window happens to be there. VR in general is a gimmick Pseudo 3D in general has and always will be a gimmick, its no substitute for real Life.
@@rocketmunkey1 I take it you have never used VR for viewing media. It is Super comfy not having to look at a set spot. Your virtual TV can be anywhere. As Matt said, a real 65inch TV is underwhelming after using AVP.
@@joshuadadad5414 I have used VR it is not comfortable wearing a box on your head ! either heaven forbid permanently or taking it on and off every 5 minutes. I doubt very much that some smaller portion of a 4k micro display, viewed from just an inch or two away, is better than a 8k or even a 4k 65" TV, and with an actual TV you can share that experience with family and friends, and not have to don a head muffler.
@@joshuadadad5414 You try wearing the Apple Vision Pro for the length of a movie, it's uncomfortable and I would honestly rather just watch on a screen. So far the only use I have for it is entertaining my son for 10 minutes at a time until he gets bored.
@@rocketmunkey1 4k+ TVs are pointless from average viewing distances. They are a gimmick with big numbers to sucker people in. Looks great in store when you are 2 ft away though. AVP has sufficient PPD to simulate 1440p monitor at normal viewing distance or proportionately bigger screen with same clarity. That is ample.
Wait a few months, and as people get bored with it, and it's just sitting there next to them on the desk, and their mortgage payment is due, and they realize that $4000 is just laying there... ebay incoming, and incoming hot.
Please forgive me if this too obvious, but if you don’t turn it off in between uses all of your windows will be where you left them. We don’t turn any other devices off in between uses (phone, laptop, etc.), why would AVP be any different?
You know, I don't think Apple really intends for you to unplug it every time you're done using it. I leave my plugged in, and running, in standby mode.
25:58 I read somewhere that one developer is creating something similar on that but it will be Apps based. So for this function to be on OS level it would be amazing. The apps require you to look an object and pinch, and it will use Google lens to identify then extract information from wikipedia and either shows a text next to the object or a voice over (there’s an option to choose).
As someone who was deeply into VR, I can't help but roll my eyes every time I hear one of these reviews. And I say that mainly because the "Wow, this is so real!" experience, I already had. And I had it, like,TEN years ago. Maybe when I try it I'll be proven wrong (I hope so), but until then, it feels like everyone else (including Apple themselves) is just finally catching up.
You also could've had the iPad experience 8 years ahead of time with Windows pen tablets, except heavier, terrible battery life, and much worse UX. Vision Pro is definitely too heavy with terrible battery life. But the eye tracking seems to be the same kind of super ingredient, like capacitive multi-touch was. Vision Pro today is only at the level of being useful to developers for the new platform. I predict that won't be the case forever, though.
Exactly, what a joke my Samsung Odyssey didn't have the high res. but everything else including clickable holograms, giant screens you could place anywhere and scale the size. Sit on a rooftop lodge and place a giant screen in the sky with down below a rocky shoreline. Rooms with 4 monitors with deferent apps on each one. Sure it wasn't wireless and I had a powerful computer, but that was years ago. Apple is so much bs marketing... such as a 200 dollar carrier bag for it, does it even have Apple's logo on it? Apple is so behind in the AI game and there is no room for their financial model and closed econo system. The Apple mirage is finally becoming apparent. Developers are tried getting screwed.
@@DonaldKramer-qo6gr The Apple pattern is to release late, when technology doesn't just make everything possible, but when it's at the level where a very slick user experience can be delivered. Sure, you could see giant screens in VR years ago. I have an original HTC Vive. It's just that much slicker with today's tech. That's what Apple waits for the first possible moment. That's why their marketing works.
The thing is the Quest 3 is good for gaming, watching movies, PCVR and running android apps, 3d modded PCVR and so many other things. Apple is way behind on all of that and aren't really offering much more than a gimmick that needs to be expanded on greatly, especially at that price.
Yeah. This is a more intuitive interface and better resolution lense combo than previous headsets at this price point though so it has wow factor above and beyond legacy VR.
Sharing is pretty hardware intensive. Everytime you calibrate, it physically moves the lenses in a certain position related to the wearer's eyes... so there's a little motor inside to do that. I guess it can and will be faster but there's that.
11:25 what is the lighting like in the room you've used Vision Pro in? Have you used it outdoors or during the day in a well lit room? I've heard mixed opinions on the passthrough quality. Same say it's great while others are very disappointed. Those cameras look tiny in teardown videos so probably have small sensors, probably doesn't work well without a lot of good even lighting.
I worked in AR and VR from 2014 to 2018. I'm SURE that the apple vision pro is a higher quality display than previous tech but none of this is new. The hololens (though admittedly a little slow and clunky) does pretty much all of this. While this stuff is really awesome, I still don't see adoption outside of niche cases where outrageous price is acceptable.
"Life Experiences" is what you were referring to when mentioning court-side at a game or at a concert. That is going be a huge future business and it sounds like this device is positioned well for that use case.
Exactly, and I don't think wearing a goggle at work or real-lfe will EVER be the normalcy or practical for the waking hours. It's very niche and always will be...for gaming and movie experience up to 3 hours, maybe for some (not for me)...but even then you'll still be isolated from the real-world (e.g. your partner/spouse/family/friends)...even if you buy them each their own goggles :D
On a average working day i have, outlook, teams, an internet browser and ms word open simultanious on 3 screens. Is this posible with this headset. because im looking to get dual samsung 49 inch screens and those are combined the same price.
They'd be very different use cases...so, I'd say considering your productivity setup, AVP will slow you down into frustration by its current UX. My use case is much like yours and there's no way, I'd even try to substitute one for the other...I'll need constant access to keyboard and mouse for Word, Outlook, Excel, Browser navigation [new tabs/new windows on purpose, etc. having smartphone handy for 2FA/MFA] (and voice command is going to add even more work for me to correct them in addition to being slowed down substantially).
I’ve noticed glare but I don’t think it’s intentional. The ZEISS lenses could probably use an anti glare coating (the subtle green kind)… perhaps they haven’t gotten that to work with eye-tracking yet?
Maybe I missed it, but it seems a huge mistake if text-to-speech isn't already integrated into this in a very simple way. If it has that much processing power then it's an easy workaround for the virtual keyboard.
@@adamb7230Won't work unless you live alone or always around a trusted person when you speak aloud and spell out password or auth code :D Extremely limited use case.
Thanks for sharing your experiences. I'm hoping to pick one up tomorrow. Regarding the 180° video, with current bandwidth limitations, it's definitely the best option. Otherwise, they'd have to halve the resolution, which would be a far worse experience.
I remember early days of buying an imac before apple took off and the purchase experience was not a million miles from that. Of course these days its impossible to offer that. Not least because of the sheer number of people in store
the eye tracking and hand tracking and the window persistence on the 3d world is MILESSS better, the windows just stay there no matter how much you move around. Usually eye tracking and hand tracking is ultra gimmicky but it's not on the vision pro@@marcellusbens6742
As far as noise and such goes, I think it'd be good if they added some AI to clean up the video automatically. I've used Topaz Video AI on some old movies (and Blu-Ray releases of old movies even) - and you can actually get significant lift with that re-processing.
It would be smart for Apple to team up with zoos, such as the SD zoo and wild animal park to do an immersion. Charge and let 100% go to that zoo. Great experience, great PR.
Yeah very stupid that this gets mentioned in a few video's. There is no Universe that this is a "problem". You will see people walking across the street or driving a car and switch on immersive background then try to sue Apple. If like me you're making a list of crazy here's another, "Taking it outside", Like really, there's no crime in your neighborhood. Definitely never going to take this outside my home or while I am driving. Skiing , Biking Yeah nope.
You need help justifying your purchase! Quest 3 is a Game console. AVP is a Imac, Macbook air strapped to your head. Not a phone or iPad but a computer. So if you need help deciding then this is definitely not for you. You don't need to watch TH-cam to know what the device can or cannot do. Knowing what the device hardware (which is well documented) can do it's entirely up to you to get it working to integrate in your life.
@@RogerJoseph I already have the quest 3. just wanted to clear up a few things. The Quest 3 isn’t just for gaming, you know. I use it for work all the time. It’s got great visuals, hand tracking, and it’s way cheaper than the Apple Vision Pro. Don’t get me wrong, the Apple Vision Pro has some cool stuff too, like eye tracking and face tracking like the Quest PRO. But the Quest 3 isn’t far behind with its powerful GPU, high resolution, and depth projector.
16:37. This depends entirely on which light shield you get, and which facial interface you're using. Field of view is highly dependent on how close you are to the displays, and depending on which of the 20 different light shields you get, and the 40 some-odd facial interfaces, it'll vary greatly. This is why Apple doesn't publish field of view numbers, because there is no good answer to this, other than, "it depends."
Also cause the FOV is poor. Yes distance from lense matters but rendered FOV has a limit so getting closer only helps so much. Other headset makers list FOV apple is just not doing so to minimise a drawback (probably a drawback for most microoled displays though)
@@joshuadadad5414 Your comment doesn't even make sense. FOV is a function of your eye's proximity to the lens, 100%. This is why contacts completely fill your vision, and they are nowhere nearly as big as the lenses on any of these headsets. Also, other head sets don't have 40 different custom fit solutions (so let's not talk about what other headsets list with their one size fits all designs). When you buy an MQ3, you're getting the exact same headset everyone else is, thus you're getting the same eye-to-lens relationship. Additionally, there are some reports of Apple's headset having equal or greater FOV to the MQ3, and that's because of that person's personal fitment. If the MQ3 "just had greater FOV" that wouldn't be possible.
I would never spend a dime on an apple product let alone $4k. If this item becomes mainstream I suspect all the other big players will start making a competing product at a cheaper price.
20:29. Why would you assume that??? It is 100% NOT intentional. Apple is not interested in lens flare happening, but you know, physics. It's really difficult to avoid in super high contrast scenarios, like white against BLACK (like OLED's produce).
I really want full field of view... Just put the entire processor in the pocket along with the battery pack. That way, the processor can be heavier and the headset can be lighter...
As an ex google executive officer says, the world doesnot need another phone or AI gadget or another fake video/image generater by AI. These are not really helping to humanity but to the companies.
Maybe for entertainment purposes the full immersion is great but for doing work I'd prefer augmented reality with 100% see through and a far less bulky headset.
The Vision Pro can track your hands in real-time. I believe I could develop an AI-based solution to address the issue of not being able to see objects like a phone or keyboard in an immersive environment. The solution involves using advanced image recognition to scan the object, and then employing software similar to what Snapchat uses for face tracking. This would be combined with a 'focus box algorithm' that tracks the object’s position and orientation in real-time, ensuring it remains visually consistent within the VR space. Whether it's a keyboard, phone, or drink cup, regardless of its size or shape, you'll be able to see it in the fully immersive virtual environment. Can't wait to develop for this stuff
I really dislike how Windows laptops don't have shared memory with the GPU the same as Macs... In the sense that the Macs can actually run stuff like Mixtral, while my laptop can't run it well, despite overall being more powerful.
So the review implies that Microsoft Hololens 2 is miles ahead except for FOV. You don't have to connect Hololens to a phone. However, if it were to connect to a phone that it would mean the Hololens would be way cheaper.
I just got mine today. Not sure why it arrived so late, I was quick on the order button. Enjoying it, although I'm super busy WFH. Kids are using it right now. Working with it... not sure. So far remote share of my 2019 MacBook Pro 15 was laggy, like it's showing the display in 30 hz instead of 60hz. 1440p though.
I have the meta quest 2, and it seems so much more compelling. I use it for those fitness games like Thrill of the fight. For most people I see people watching movies on "big screen" as well as perhaps 3D shopping for clothes as common man usage. Using it as a replacement for computer is a bit ridiculous at this moment in time, I just don't see the benefits in coding in VR. Perhaps video editing and CGI though.
One thing I will say, iPad apps suck less on the VP, than iPhone apps suck on the iPad. I loaded a number of my fav iPad apps onto the VP, such as Plex and Panels, and they work great. I also like the fact the VP's built in Files app, allows you to browse networked storage.
Depends on what you are using it for. The reason people bought iPhones was that they could do things with it that other devices could not do at the time. As awesome as VR is(I have a Meta Quest 2 and love it), the novelty does wear off like all things in life. After then you are left with the stuff that actually are useful that you cannot do in real life. Like VR games, watching movies on a big screen and perhaps a few more things. For most people it would be a total waste of money because it doesn't give enough useful features that you cannot get somewhere else.
Some people get self worth from the things they own 🤷, maybe this person has never used VR/AR before and to them it's the best thing ever. Brand loyalty...Who knows.
Probably BEST REVIEW I’ve seen so far 😊 A nice balance: Not Fanboy, and not cynical. Balanced 👍🏼 It’s just like the original iPhone, so I’ll wait a bit as I don’t have a spare 4k and need to upgrade my Intel Mini, which I actually work on. I’m sure it will be compelling in a year or so…
I am confused. Increasing immersion and addictiveness of devices is becoming a real problem in life, even with phones. How do we get work done? And with AI what will be the value of your work? All of us gen X gamers remember playing Doom, immersively. Then we discovered cheat codes idkfa and iddqd (all ammo/health/armor and invulnerability). After about 5 minutes of that, there is no struggle. The game becomes pointless. The challenge is gone. I feel like digital life is becoming like that. If I want an experience it's there. Even now, to a large degree. But then there is no yearning. Ironic because I am very often an early adopter of technology, and a long time fan of cyberpunk art. Am I getting old (yes) but is the Pandora's box (that glitters with irrestistable Siren calls) one we look back on and be glad of opening? We'll see I guess. The 20th and early 21st century - tech seems mostly awesome, and sometimes terrifying but amazing for the most part. Nowadays I feel a little like a buggy whip manufacturer.
Hey Matthew. You’re doing it wrong buddy - you don’t need to ‘turn it off’ every time…. Or ever. Just like your Mac, iPhone, and iPad. Just leave it on/plugged into the battery. Unfortunately the external battery makes this feel weird, but its even in the documentation. This way it’s always on AND windows stay open and where you put them perpetually. Just like all of apple’s other products, it’s not meant to be turned off… really ever.
The device automatically goes into ‘sleep’ or low power mode as soon as it recognizes your eyeballs aren’t inside and will stay like that for like days without needing to be charged. When you put it back on, just like faceID, opticID pops up, verifies you, and all your open windows pop back up right where they were. The only thing you have to ‘re-setup’ is any connections to Mac you have. Also you should setup Siri to use ChatGPT via shortcuts (not through the chatGPT app, but through an actual shortcut that calls the API separately) - this supercharges her responses and allows you to just ‘chat’ with her.
Lastly, after using Vision Pro for a few days, just make sure you’re always grabbing/holding it from the speaker pods and head strap. So easy to pull off the light seal and padding. If you just always grab by the speaker stems, you’ll never have to worry.
Ok One more thing - yes if you have FULL immersion on you can’t see your keyboard. That said, much like you mention, I’ve been using AVP for work - if you put the immersion to like 75% it basically immerses everything like 180* in front of you but you can still look down and see your keyboard and hands. This way you’re pretty much entirely immersed in whatever environment you choose (I personally like the Moon and Hawaii) unless you really turn your head - if you’re keeping windows ‘in front’ of you so you can actually see them, you rarely see the ‘edge of reality’ but can still look down for complex keybinds or whatever.
Matthew, have a look at yourself In this video and a video from 2 weeks ago. Like Auto-generated studio 2. Do you think that the headset might be affecting your face muscles.
Improving the passthrough quality will not be solved with a "software update". This is essentially the major difficulty in the entire AR field. They can put a higher quality (higher-res) screen, and the price/compute/power will go up. The blurriness and other effects (especially in low light) are only solvable with massive compute power, which there is no way an AR headset will be able to have in the near future (think: it essentially would need a heavy new Nvidia GPU to run the algorithms to fix that). Apple is very far from solving this (as you said). Apple will probably just stick with this being a super-expensive product, and people will probably pay for it. Meta and others will go for the rest of the consumer market with
Great review. Very informative and helpful until the end. I really think the piling on Apple for all the social isolation inherent in all the VR headsets is starting to look staged. Especially since all the criticisms were present but not heard with Occulus and Quest before Friday’s Vision Pro release. Apple seems to be the only manufacturer who considered how isolating the headsets could be so they created Eyesight and built in other features. The headset will phase in someone coming in the room and the user, not the device controls the amount of immersion they need. We should ask for MORE and better social connectivity while wearing headsets, not attacking the only company who appeared to give a damn in the first place.
I'm rather looking forward to Meta's next gen Pro device now. I'm not in Apple's ecosystem enough that I'd want a device that assumes that I have an iPhone and a Mac. I do, but neither of those are top-end, and I have a better Windows laptop and Android. lol
I prefer my future monitor experience to be minority report style where you have touchable scrollabale colapsable screens. I dont want to wear anything else other than my eye glass.
Great point at the end of your video, I know it's not the same but I prefer wearing normal; tech glasses like the Google Glasses so you are not living completely isolated from the world while you are using them
@@torarinvik4920 You are right, multiple screens are not so necessary, but its much better to have gigantic screen sizes, thats the main advantage. also, i haven' t worked sitting at tables for years now, and there is no way back. vision pro is the only upgrade i want from notebooks.
I think you're blowing some of the issues way out of proportion. I generally don't have a lot of patience, but you must have none if you seem to think that the 45-60 seconds it takes to start up is a long time. With windows staying open, it would be a hassle imo if every time the device starts up it keeps all your apps open, versus closing them (and clearing up memory space and processing power which happens on boot-up), but I do think there should be an option in settings to allow your windows to auto reopen for people who want it. I do agree with you in that your iPhone should have an auto-unlock feature when wearing the vision pro and signed in to the same apple id. While the weight could be improved upon, it isn't as bad as people make it out to be, and it's important to have a great fit for maximum comfortability, and everybody's head/face is different, so the dual loop band isn't 100% the best option for everybody (including me). Also you can adjust where the solo knit band is sitting on the back of your head (move it higher up or down lower) to have more or less pressure on your cheeks/forehead. However it could definitely afford to lose weight in the future, have an improved field of view, and less lens flare in full immersion. And as far as passthrough is concerned, unfortunately the vision pro is still victim to the technology, and will experience issues cameras have, such as lower image quality and more noise while in low light, but I personally am impressed with the extremely low latency of the cameras. Keep in mind the vision pro does foveated rendering (which only renders exactly what your looking at to save processing power) which is another thing that can cause some stuff in passthrough to look blurry. But this is still a first-gen product, and it isn't perfect and suffers from normal first-gen product issues. However, I've really been enjoying mine, and think it's far superior to anything else on the market and am excited for the future of the vision pro. Now that's not to say that everybody should go buy one, but if you're in a position to get one, I would argue that it definitely could be worth it depending on your use cases and the amount of tech that you're getting. And for people who have not actually tried it, you really should go to an apple store asap to do a demo, because all the videos and reviews online don't do it any justice, and you can't truly get a good feel or understanding of the vision pro until you actually try it out for yourself.
Looks fantastic but what is not fantastic is the 4 grand price point when the android version of this tech will be likely a few hundred tops! My guess is Meta will be the next to join the party.
Vision Pro Good Apple technology ! I have three iPad Pros to work with. I remember waiting 3 years for good apps. This time I won't buy something new that has nothing to offer.
It is a gen 1 product and it will be the worst Apple Vision Pro ever made but it is also a polished, a full product and definitely high end gen 1 product. Should you buy it now? That depends on your pocket size and how much invested are you in the latest and the best technology. Apple knew it is not for everyone hence they aren’t shy to put that price tag. I have one and I don’t regret it one bit. I just regret that I have bought Meta Quest 3 earlier and now it’s sitting collecting dust.
Ad blocker in reality for a monthly subscription of 100 bucks. If you don’t pay a subscription it overlays…. NO they could give these to people for free but it’s blasted with ads everywhere in the future. And then neural link free install but ads for 5 years.
Great review Matt ... hard pass on the product again this year ... nothing new & definitely not worth $4K. I'll get a 10' QLED TV instead. That's immersive enough.
Do you think this is Apple's AI Trojan Horse?
Not even close. I think I was fooled by the premium price into thinking it would be awesome.
It's interesting, and some things are fun at first, but ultimately not even close to being worth $4k!
In my opinion, this is a $300 product.
If they give me agent avatars that hear, see, and speak to me, and can manipulate the VR environment both presumptuously and upon request, I will give them a lot of money. I'm trying to set up something in VRChat like that, because I believe it will be the best way to introduce people to GPT agents immersively.
Yes. Apple should make apps for interfacing with VRChat and for displaying data visualizations, and harvest the data for movement and the visualizations. (Not the user's data, but how it's being visualized.)
The fact that it will not remember your last state,
and that you can't have multiple Mac windows open (and no external Chrome app (would not need Chrome if Safari allowed multiple profiles)),
and that you can't wear it for a complete movie without having to adjust it,
all make this a no go for me. Wait for the next version.
I don't need someone to 'see' my eyes so remove the glass and make everything lighter (carbon fiber?) IF there has to be an indicator, then a Red LED line when I don't see through and a Green LED line when I do. Much lighter than the glass, cheaper than using passthrough.
To resolve the tension, how about something like a sleep mask that extends the light protection without needing the headset so tight.
From what others reported, it absolutely does remember all the open apps and their position - if you put it in standby mode instead of disconnecting the battery. Only once the battery is disconnected it forgets that all and has to reboot.
Yup. Disconnecting the battery is forcing a hard reset every time. Best to leave the battery attached unless not intending to use it for a long stretch
So, there's no shutoff button that saves the current state? And then be able to remove the shackles of the powerbank wihtout losing the state? It'd make more sense to have a power-off button (saves state), stow away the device in the nice puffy pillow case, get off the plane, or get in a car, etc.
Appreciate your balanced thoughts!
Thanks for putting in the work and taking on the cost. It’s videos like these that add value to guys like us. For me personally I’ll wait for the 3rd version of it. In terms of your video Matt, I’ve seen at least 5 reviews from the major TH-camrs…and all things considered, yours has been the best
Like you, I bought it on a whim over the weekend. The statement you made that rings most true to me is, "You have to make time to use the Apple Vision Pro". When I am at my desk my Mac Studio is preferred, when I am with the family or even just my wife I feel separated from them. So when do you use it, on a plane, working in a coffee shop, or traveling? All are good use cases, but $4K for those use cases doesn't add up for me.
Using your phone to check messages is always going to be more convenient and more comfortable, using your laptop or desktop is always going to be more convenient and more comfortable, using your TV to watch movies with family and friends is always going to be more convenient and more comfortable. and you can bet within a few months vision pro is going to be banned on airplanes, fellow passengers are not going to tolerate VP users waving their hands into their space, because a window happens to be there.
VR in general is a gimmick Pseudo 3D in general has and always will be a gimmick, its no substitute for real Life.
@@rocketmunkey1 I take it you have never used VR for viewing media. It is Super comfy not having to look at a set spot. Your virtual TV can be anywhere. As Matt said, a real 65inch TV is underwhelming after using AVP.
@@joshuadadad5414 I have used VR it is not comfortable wearing a box on your head ! either heaven forbid permanently or taking it on and off every 5 minutes.
I doubt very much that some smaller portion of a 4k micro display, viewed from just an inch or two away, is better than a 8k or even a 4k 65" TV, and with an actual TV you can share that experience with family and friends, and not have to don a head muffler.
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You try wearing the Apple Vision Pro for the length of a movie, it's uncomfortable and I would honestly rather just watch on a screen.
So far the only use I have for it is entertaining my son for 10 minutes at a time until he gets bored.
@@rocketmunkey1 4k+ TVs are pointless from average viewing distances. They are a gimmick with big numbers to sucker people in. Looks great in store when you are 2 ft away though. AVP has sufficient PPD to simulate 1440p monitor at normal viewing distance or proportionately bigger screen with same clarity. That is ample.
Wait a few months, and as people get bored with it, and it's just sitting there next to them on the desk, and their mortgage payment is due, and they realize that $4000 is just laying there... ebay incoming, and incoming hot.
This is a super review, all real pros and cons. Clear dictation, easy to understand. Thank you!
Please forgive me if this too obvious, but if you don’t turn it off in between uses all of your windows will be where you left them. We don’t turn any other devices off in between uses (phone, laptop, etc.), why would AVP be any different?
You know, I don't think Apple really intends for you to unplug it every time you're done using it. I leave my plugged in, and running, in standby mode.
Thank you so much for doing all the work. Keep up the good work. 👍
25:58 I read somewhere that one developer is creating something similar on that but it will be Apps based. So for this function to be on OS level it would be amazing. The apps require you to look an object and pinch, and it will use Google lens to identify then extract information from wikipedia and either shows a text next to the object or a voice over (there’s an option to choose).
Have you tried coding? VSCode etc Can you read everything?
As someone who was deeply into VR, I can't help but roll my eyes every time I hear one of these reviews. And I say that mainly because the "Wow, this is so real!" experience, I already had. And I had it, like,TEN years ago. Maybe when I try it I'll be proven wrong (I hope so), but until then, it feels like everyone else (including Apple themselves) is just finally catching up.
You also could've had the iPad experience 8 years ahead of time with Windows pen tablets, except heavier, terrible battery life, and much worse UX. Vision Pro is definitely too heavy with terrible battery life. But the eye tracking seems to be the same kind of super ingredient, like capacitive multi-touch was. Vision Pro today is only at the level of being useful to developers for the new platform. I predict that won't be the case forever, though.
Exactly, what a joke my Samsung Odyssey didn't have the high res. but everything else including clickable holograms, giant screens you could place anywhere and scale the size. Sit on a rooftop lodge and place a giant screen in the sky with down below a rocky shoreline. Rooms with 4 monitors with deferent apps on each one. Sure it wasn't wireless and I had a powerful computer, but that was years ago. Apple is so much bs marketing... such as a 200 dollar carrier bag for it, does it even have Apple's logo on it? Apple is so behind in the AI game and there is no room for their financial model and closed econo system. The Apple mirage is finally becoming apparent. Developers are tried getting screwed.
@@DonaldKramer-qo6gr The Apple pattern is to release late, when technology doesn't just make everything possible, but when it's at the level where a very slick user experience can be delivered. Sure, you could see giant screens in VR years ago. I have an original HTC Vive. It's just that much slicker with today's tech. That's what Apple waits for the first possible moment. That's why their marketing works.
The thing is the Quest 3 is good for gaming, watching movies, PCVR and running android apps, 3d modded PCVR and so many other things. Apple is way behind on all of that and aren't really offering much more than a gimmick that needs to be expanded on greatly, especially at that price.
Yeah. This is a more intuitive interface and better resolution lense combo than previous headsets at this price point though so it has wow factor above and beyond legacy VR.
4:29 perhaps because it would have required a battery and more hardware to actually store all those pages all of which would push the price upwards.
Sharing is pretty hardware intensive. Everytime you calibrate, it physically moves the lenses in a certain position related to the wearer's eyes... so there's a little motor inside to do that. I guess it can and will be faster but there's that.
11:25 what is the lighting like in the room you've used Vision Pro in? Have you used it outdoors or during the day in a well lit room? I've heard mixed opinions on the passthrough quality. Same say it's great while others are very disappointed. Those cameras look tiny in teardown videos so probably have small sensors, probably doesn't work well without a lot of good even lighting.
I worked in AR and VR from 2014 to 2018. I'm SURE that the apple vision pro is a higher quality display than previous tech but none of this is new. The hololens (though admittedly a little slow and clunky) does pretty much all of this.
While this stuff is really awesome, I still don't see adoption outside of niche cases where outrageous price is acceptable.
"Life Experiences" is what you were referring to when mentioning court-side at a game or at a concert. That is going be a huge future business and it sounds like this device is positioned well for that use case.
interesting, but if you can't use it for 8h it can't be the future of computing
Exactly, and I don't think wearing a goggle at work or real-lfe will EVER be the normalcy or practical for the waking hours. It's very niche and always will be...for gaming and movie experience up to 3 hours, maybe for some (not for me)...but even then you'll still be isolated from the real-world (e.g. your partner/spouse/family/friends)...even if you buy them each their own goggles :D
Probably the best review for Apple BAs and UX designers!
I think in about a years time this thing will have plenty of useful apps. Can’t wait for Vision Pro 2.
On a average working day i have, outlook, teams, an internet browser and ms word open simultanious on 3 screens. Is this posible with this headset. because im looking to get dual samsung 49 inch screens and those are combined the same price.
They'd be very different use cases...so, I'd say considering your productivity setup, AVP will slow you down into frustration by its current UX. My use case is much like yours and there's no way, I'd even try to substitute one for the other...I'll need constant access to keyboard and mouse for Word, Outlook, Excel, Browser navigation [new tabs/new windows on purpose, etc. having smartphone handy for 2FA/MFA] (and voice command is going to add even more work for me to correct them in addition to being slowed down substantially).
Thanks for this. Have you tried the quest 3 or any other VR headset@@flyingsalmon
Perfect review!
I’ve noticed glare but I don’t think it’s intentional. The ZEISS lenses could probably use an anti glare coating (the subtle green kind)… perhaps they haven’t gotten that to work with eye-tracking yet?
Maybe I missed it, but it seems a huge mistake if text-to-speech isn't already integrated into this in a very simple way. If it has that much processing power then it's an easy workaround for the virtual keyboard.
It is. You can just look at the mic on the keyboard and speak the text. I agree, that seems like the easiest way to input text.
@@adamb7230Won't work unless you live alone or always around a trusted person when you speak aloud and spell out password or auth code :D Extremely limited use case.
Thanks for sharing your experiences. I'm hoping to pick one up tomorrow. Regarding the 180° video, with current bandwidth limitations, it's definitely the best option. Otherwise, they'd have to halve the resolution, which would be a far worse experience.
To slide the power off you gotta hold the crown and the shutter button at the same time. Dont keep disconnecting the battery/cpu
I remember early days of buying an imac before apple took off and the purchase experience was not a million miles from that. Of course these days its impossible to offer that. Not least because of the sheer number of people in store
The windows remain in place as long as you dont detach the battery
The same vibes as with iPhone users have been excited about features that Android has had for some time. Now with Meta Quest
If you think Meta Wuest is at all comparable to this you have no idea what you are talking about.
@@markm49 lol
@@markm49how why is this better
the eye tracking and hand tracking and the window persistence on the 3d world is MILESSS better, the windows just stay there no matter how much you move around. Usually eye tracking and hand tracking is ultra gimmicky but it's not on the vision pro@@marcellusbens6742
This is like when Rio MP3 player owners cried about the iPod
As far as noise and such goes, I think it'd be good if they added some AI to clean up the video automatically.
I've used Topaz Video AI on some old movies (and Blu-Ray releases of old movies even) - and you can actually get significant lift with that re-processing.
It would be smart for Apple to team up with zoos, such as the SD zoo and wild animal park to do an immersion. Charge and let 100% go to that zoo. Great experience, great PR.
I'm looking forward to the Chinese-made Windows versions, which will work with everything, without the walled-garden and luxury pricing
Can't wait for the TikToks of people running into walls because of the delayed pass-through rendering with those cheapo's🤣🤣🤣
@@Meisha-san So it's a win-win!
Can you not just turn the knob on the headset to se your phone and keyboard?
Yeah very stupid that this gets mentioned in a few video's. There is no Universe that this is a "problem". You will see people walking across the street or driving a car and switch on immersive background then try to sue Apple. If like me you're making a list of crazy here's another, "Taking it outside", Like really, there's no crime in your neighborhood. Definitely never going to take this outside my home or while I am driving. Skiing , Biking Yeah nope.
So you get an Apple vision Pro but not a GPU/CPU that can record videos whilst running the latest local models
He never got it, he "rented" it.
how about a comparison with quest 3
You need help justifying your purchase! Quest 3 is a Game console. AVP is a Imac, Macbook air strapped to your head. Not a phone or iPad but a computer. So if you need help deciding then this is definitely not for you. You don't need to watch TH-cam to know what the device can or cannot do. Knowing what the device hardware (which is well documented) can do it's entirely up to you to get it working to integrate in your life.
@@RogerJoseph I already have the quest 3.
just wanted to clear up a few things. The Quest 3 isn’t just for gaming, you know. I use it for work all the time. It’s got great visuals, hand tracking, and it’s way cheaper than the Apple Vision Pro.
Don’t get me wrong, the Apple Vision Pro has some cool stuff too, like eye tracking and face tracking like the Quest PRO.
But the Quest 3 isn’t far behind with its powerful GPU, high resolution, and depth projector.
Contradiction? So he did use the quest @10:04 and then he said he did not tried quest @16:38 ?
16:37. This depends entirely on which light shield you get, and which facial interface you're using. Field of view is highly dependent on how close you are to the displays, and depending on which of the 20 different light shields you get, and the 40 some-odd facial interfaces, it'll vary greatly. This is why Apple doesn't publish field of view numbers, because there is no good answer to this, other than, "it depends."
Also cause the FOV is poor. Yes distance from lense matters but rendered FOV has a limit so getting closer only helps so much. Other headset makers list FOV apple is just not doing so to minimise a drawback (probably a drawback for most microoled displays though)
@@joshuadadad5414 Your comment doesn't even make sense. FOV is a function of your eye's proximity to the lens, 100%. This is why contacts completely fill your vision, and they are nowhere nearly as big as the lenses on any of these headsets. Also, other head sets don't have 40 different custom fit solutions (so let's not talk about what other headsets list with their one size fits all designs). When you buy an MQ3, you're getting the exact same headset everyone else is, thus you're getting the same eye-to-lens relationship. Additionally, there are some reports of Apple's headset having equal or greater FOV to the MQ3, and that's because of that person's personal fitment. If the MQ3 "just had greater FOV" that wouldn't be possible.
Who ever thought working on fake eyes on the front was more important than being able to see the keyboard when typing needs a talking to.
I would never spend a dime on an apple product let alone $4k. If this item becomes mainstream I suspect all the other big players will start making a competing product at a cheaper price.
bless your heart
Why thank you sweetheart.@@coul
20:29. Why would you assume that??? It is 100% NOT intentional. Apple is not interested in lens flare happening, but you know, physics. It's really difficult to avoid in super high contrast scenarios, like white against BLACK (like OLED's produce).
Revolutionary product!
This looks better than I thought it would be
I have the Apple Vision Pro and I can tell you this an accurate and honest review.
video starts here: 24:25
Bro said he spent a whole hour and a half in there... 😅
I really want full field of view... Just put the entire processor in the pocket along with the battery pack. That way, the processor can be heavier and the headset can be lighter...
As an ex google executive officer says, the world doesnot need another phone or AI gadget or another fake video/image generater by AI. These are not really helping to humanity but to the companies.
They are helping some of humanity. I say bring em on
Maybe for entertainment purposes the full immersion is great but for doing work I'd prefer augmented reality with 100% see through and a far less bulky headset.
The Vision Pro can track your hands in real-time. I believe I could develop an AI-based solution to address the issue of not being able to see objects like a phone or keyboard in an immersive environment. The solution involves using advanced image recognition to scan the object, and then employing software similar to what Snapchat uses for face tracking. This would be combined with a 'focus box algorithm' that tracks the object’s position and orientation in real-time, ensuring it remains visually consistent within the VR space. Whether it's a keyboard, phone, or drink cup, regardless of its size or shape, you'll be able to see it in the fully immersive virtual environment. Can't wait to develop for this stuff
Surprising lack of polish for an Apple product. Was it rushed out before it was done?
I think the Meta Quest 3 has some concerts and such in its library if you want to try those.
I'd like to tell this to everyone!
You don't need this! Spend 4k on something useful.
Meta quest 3 does all what the vision pro does and more. Games, movies, concerts, Mixed reality games and apps.
I noticed the person helping me was reading from a script. Haha.
I really dislike how Windows laptops don't have shared memory with the GPU the same as Macs... In the sense that the Macs can actually run stuff like Mixtral, while my laptop can't run it well, despite overall being more powerful.
I can’t wait til the Air version!
So the review implies that Microsoft Hololens 2 is miles ahead except for FOV. You don't have to connect Hololens to a phone. However, if it were to connect to a phone that it would mean the Hololens would be way cheaper.
Hololens is formally discontinued
I just got mine today. Not sure why it arrived so late, I was quick on the order button. Enjoying it, although I'm super busy WFH. Kids are using it right now. Working with it... not sure. So far remote share of my 2019 MacBook Pro 15 was laggy, like it's showing the display in 30 hz instead of 60hz. 1440p though.
oh, forgot to mention. HOLY HELL the resolution is amazing
I have the meta quest 2, and it seems so much more compelling. I use it for those fitness games like Thrill of the fight. For most people I see people watching movies on "big screen" as well as perhaps 3D shopping for clothes as common man usage. Using it as a replacement for computer is a bit ridiculous at this moment in time, I just don't see the benefits in coding in VR. Perhaps video editing and CGI though.
One thing I will say, iPad apps suck less on the VP, than iPhone apps suck on the iPad. I loaded a number of my fav iPad apps onto the VP, such as Plex and Panels, and they work great. I also like the fact the VP's built in Files app, allows you to browse networked storage.
I have one… and love it. People who say they wasted money on it don’t know how to use it.
Depends on what you are using it for. The reason people bought iPhones was that they could do things with it that other devices could not do at the time. As awesome as VR is(I have a Meta Quest 2 and love it), the novelty does wear off like all things in life. After then you are left with the stuff that actually are useful that you cannot do in real life. Like VR games, watching movies on a big screen and perhaps a few more things. For most people it would be a total waste of money because it doesn't give enough useful features that you cannot get somewhere else.
Some people get self worth from the things they own 🤷, maybe this person has never used VR/AR before and to them it's the best thing ever. Brand loyalty...Who knows.
Probably BEST REVIEW I’ve seen so far 😊 A nice balance: Not Fanboy, and not cynical. Balanced 👍🏼
It’s just like the original iPhone, so I’ll wait a bit as I don’t have a spare 4k and need to upgrade my Intel Mini, which I actually work on. I’m sure it will be compelling in a year or so…
spend $4000 to still require a macbook to get any work done... same scam as the ipad
Tablets are far from a scam 🤦... Whether you specifically have use for one that's up for debate.
@@cagnazzo82No. It's the exact scam as vision pro. The ipad could be a mac replacement just fine, but they don't allow it so you also buy the mac.
Everything is a scam. Am I right?😊
It’s a candid review . Too bad that you also used other headsets intensively . I’m sure that you are missing a point not using the quest 3
10 years ago, something like this only exist in sci-fi.
I am confused. Increasing immersion and addictiveness of devices is becoming a real problem in life, even with phones. How do we get work done?
And with AI what will be the value of your work? All of us gen X gamers remember playing Doom, immersively. Then we discovered cheat codes idkfa and iddqd (all ammo/health/armor and invulnerability). After about 5 minutes of that, there is no struggle. The game becomes pointless. The challenge is gone.
I feel like digital life is becoming like that. If I want an experience it's there. Even now, to a large degree. But then there is no yearning.
Ironic because I am very often an early adopter of technology, and a long time fan of cyberpunk art. Am I getting old (yes) but is the Pandora's box (that glitters with irrestistable Siren calls) one we look back on and be glad of opening? We'll see I guess.
The 20th and early 21st century - tech seems mostly awesome, and sometimes terrifying but amazing for the most part. Nowadays I feel a little like a buggy whip manufacturer.
Hey Matthew. You’re doing it wrong buddy - you don’t need to ‘turn it off’ every time…. Or ever. Just like your Mac, iPhone, and iPad. Just leave it on/plugged into the battery. Unfortunately the external battery makes this feel weird, but its even in the documentation. This way it’s always on AND windows stay open and where you put them perpetually. Just like all of apple’s other products, it’s not meant to be turned off… really ever.
The device automatically goes into ‘sleep’ or low power mode as soon as it recognizes your eyeballs aren’t inside and will stay like that for like days without needing to be charged. When you put it back on, just like faceID, opticID pops up, verifies you, and all your open windows pop back up right where they were.
The only thing you have to ‘re-setup’ is any connections to Mac you have. Also you should setup Siri to use ChatGPT via shortcuts (not through the chatGPT app, but through an actual shortcut that calls the API separately) - this supercharges her responses and allows you to just ‘chat’ with her.
Lastly, after using Vision Pro for a few days, just make sure you’re always grabbing/holding it from the speaker pods and head strap. So easy to pull off the light seal and padding. If you just always grab by the speaker stems, you’ll never have to worry.
Ok One more thing - yes if you have FULL immersion on you can’t see your keyboard. That said, much like you mention, I’ve been using AVP for work - if you put the immersion to like 75% it basically immerses everything like 180* in front of you but you can still look down and see your keyboard and hands. This way you’re pretty much entirely immersed in whatever environment you choose (I personally like the Moon and Hawaii) unless you really turn your head - if you’re keeping windows ‘in front’ of you so you can actually see them, you rarely see the ‘edge of reality’ but can still look down for complex keybinds or whatever.
Matthew, have a look at yourself In this video and a video from 2 weeks ago. Like Auto-generated studio 2.
Do you think that the headset might be affecting your face muscles.
Improving the passthrough quality will not be solved with a "software update". This is essentially the major difficulty in the entire AR field. They can put a higher quality (higher-res) screen, and the price/compute/power will go up. The blurriness and other effects (especially in low light) are only solvable with massive compute power, which there is no way an AR headset will be able to have in the near future (think: it essentially would need a heavy new Nvidia GPU to run the algorithms to fix that). Apple is very far from solving this (as you said).
Apple will probably just stick with this being a super-expensive product, and people will probably pay for it. Meta and others will go for the rest of the consumer market with
Great review. Very informative and helpful until the end. I really think the piling on Apple for all the social isolation inherent in all the VR headsets is starting to look staged. Especially since all the criticisms were present but not heard with Occulus and Quest before Friday’s Vision Pro release. Apple seems to be the only manufacturer who considered how isolating the headsets could be so they created Eyesight and built in other features. The headset will phase in someone coming in the room and the user, not the device controls the amount of immersion they need. We should ask for MORE and better social connectivity while wearing headsets, not attacking the only company who appeared to give a damn in the first place.
This is the future of computers no more keyboards as AI speech to text does it, AI Agents and more would change everything
I'm rather looking forward to Meta's next gen Pro device now.
I'm not in Apple's ecosystem enough that I'd want a device that assumes that I have an iPhone and a Mac. I do, but neither of those are top-end, and I have a better Windows laptop and Android. lol
yes
I prefer my future monitor experience to be minority report style where you have touchable scrollabale colapsable screens. I dont want to wear anything else other than my eye glass.
Imagine paying almost 4k to be a beta tester. gg Apple
Good review, thanks for the learning, Terence Nelson NZ
This sounds like a great thing to buy 3 years from now at 10% of the price and from a company that doesn't price gauge you...
this is the anxiety channel
Great point at the end of your video, I know it's not the same but I prefer wearing normal; tech glasses like the Google Glasses so you are not living completely isolated from the world while you are using them
Can't use with glasses
Its the future of work. Gives you 4-5 screens at once, comfortably. And the TV replaces all flatscreens easily. (Work-, entertainment-) life changing.
Just switch between the desktops on your laptop and you'll get the same effect without having to turn your head.
@@torarinvik4920 You are right, multiple screens are not so necessary, but its much better to have gigantic screen sizes, thats the main advantage. also, i haven' t worked sitting at tables for years now, and there is no way back. vision pro is the only upgrade i want from notebooks.
I think some people would want this so that their bosses/ spouses can't see what they are doing on their computer "wink wink*
I think you're blowing some of the issues way out of proportion. I generally don't have a lot of patience, but you must have none if you seem to think that the 45-60 seconds it takes to start up is a long time. With windows staying open, it would be a hassle imo if every time the device starts up it keeps all your apps open, versus closing them (and clearing up memory space and processing power which happens on boot-up), but I do think there should be an option in settings to allow your windows to auto reopen for people who want it. I do agree with you in that your iPhone should have an auto-unlock feature when wearing the vision pro and signed in to the same apple id. While the weight could be improved upon, it isn't as bad as people make it out to be, and it's important to have a great fit for maximum comfortability, and everybody's head/face is different, so the dual loop band isn't 100% the best option for everybody (including me). Also you can adjust where the solo knit band is sitting on the back of your head (move it higher up or down lower) to have more or less pressure on your cheeks/forehead. However it could definitely afford to lose weight in the future, have an improved field of view, and less lens flare in full immersion. And as far as passthrough is concerned, unfortunately the vision pro is still victim to the technology, and will experience issues cameras have, such as lower image quality and more noise while in low light, but I personally am impressed with the extremely low latency of the cameras. Keep in mind the vision pro does foveated rendering (which only renders exactly what your looking at to save processing power) which is another thing that can cause some stuff in passthrough to look blurry. But this is still a first-gen product, and it isn't perfect and suffers from normal first-gen product issues. However, I've really been enjoying mine, and think it's far superior to anything else on the market and am excited for the future of the vision pro. Now that's not to say that everybody should go buy one, but if you're in a position to get one, I would argue that it definitely could be worth it depending on your use cases and the amount of tech that you're getting. And for people who have not actually tried it, you really should go to an apple store asap to do a demo, because all the videos and reviews online don't do it any justice, and you can't truly get a good feel or understanding of the vision pro until you actually try it out for yourself.
Looks fantastic but what is not fantastic is the 4 grand price point when the android version of this tech will be likely a few hundred tops! My guess is Meta will be the next to join the party.
They started the party
Vision Pro Good Apple technology ! I have three iPad Pros to work with. I remember waiting 3 years for good apps.
This time I won't buy something new that has nothing to offer.
He really doesn't have much experience with VR that glare isn't artificial lol.
matthew please grow a full afro for the people
It's going to get smooshed by the head straps
It is a gen 1 product and it will be the worst Apple Vision Pro ever made but it is also a polished, a full product and definitely high end gen 1 product. Should you buy it now? That depends on your pocket size and how much invested are you in the latest and the best technology. Apple knew it is not for everyone hence they aren’t shy to put that price tag. I have one and I don’t regret it one bit. I just regret that I have bought Meta Quest 3 earlier and now it’s sitting collecting dust.
The title is a little “forced”, but great review
take it back
Not a full review, clickbait is the only trojan here
What would you consider a full review?
Beta device, Beta price
So to be clear As a Beta it still does the same things but 10x better than the competition so that's a win. Do you know what a Beta is?
@@RogerJoseph what competition? This is a unique product.
if i have the vision pro on go ahead and unlock my iphone?
HELL NO
Well Chrome and other apps are going to lose out. They will come along eventually. They won’t have a choice.
Thanks for the review. It sounds very cool, but, at that price point, it makes no sense.
Ad blocker in reality for a monthly subscription of 100 bucks. If you don’t pay a subscription it overlays…. NO they could give these to people for free but it’s blasted with ads everywhere in the future. And then neural link free install but ads for 5 years.
they r just making ppl idiots..
Sounds to me like an endless commercial. The part I liked most is the "puffer jacket" hard case 😂
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Great review Matt ... hard pass on the product again this year ... nothing new & definitely not worth $4K. I'll get a 10' QLED TV instead. That's immersive enough.