Oh how the mighty have fallen. The Pennsylvania Railroad, the Standard Railroad of the World, became complacent with old-school tech, just like Baldwin.
Well done video. I loved the Pennsylvania Railroad. I loved their keystone, Tuscan Red, Brunswick Green, and Belpaire fireboxes. So many great locomotives and rolling stock. I sold off my HO models a few years back and the only one I kept is an I-1. The only sleeper train I have taken was on the Pennsy. I got to blow the whistle on a GG1 and the only true dining car I ever ate in was on the PRR. The Penn Central merger and the need for the merger was truly a dark time in my life.
It wasn't just the PRR & NYC management that had a hard time getting along - when the merger was announced to the rank-and-file, employees at both railroads were stunned. They had been "trained" to dislike the other railroad for decades, so the idea of joining forces with their biggest rival was just unconscionable to them. In the grand scheme of things, it probably didn't matter anywhere near as much as the tussle in the board room, but it couldn't have helped.
I'm 76 years old and have lived in the greater New Haven area my entire life. The best thing for the New Haven Railroad was getting some GG-1s in the New Haven yards. The New Haven was electrified from New Haven to New York City.
The Pennsy was a railroad of contrasts, much of their business management was on the conservative side, playing a long game and avoiding big gambles when it came to their routes, but almost obsessively trying things that others were unwilling or uninterested in doing when it came to locomotive engineering, hence why they were one of few American railroads to use belpaire fireboxes, duplex locomotives, a direct-drive steam turbine, the "holy terror" fleet of almost 600 I1 decapod coal haulers, as well as some of the finest streamlining to ever grace the world's rails.
Love it! I always look forward to your videos! Did you know that Charles Carroll, signer of the declaration of independence, was a railway man as well? I believe he helped start the B&O
The Pennsy had some Texas connections. The Texas Eagle of the MoPac/T&P had through sleepers to New York; Philadelphia and Washington,D.C. The Railroad Museum in Frisco has a GG1 on display.😮😊
Would you eventually do documentaries for: New York Central Great Northern Northern Pacific Santa Fe Denver & Rio Grande Southern Virginia & Truckee Rio Grande Southern Colorado & Southern and my favorite (Southern Pacific)
Great video and part of the intriguing railroad history. I grew up in the PA/WV area in the 60s, My grandfather had been a brakeman for the B&O railroad so I was always intrigued by trains. I find the railroad history interesting, especially 2 or more competing in the same areas such as B&O and Pennsie, which I believe they did through Pittsburgh. I have to assume that the shared tracks (for interstate commerce) were reciprocity agreements. Or they’d have to for example run competing lines on opposite sides of the river. Not such a problem today with only a handful of companies running the whole U.S. but I’m sure it still exists for cross-country freight.
A very well done documentary on one of the greatest railroads in the history of the nation. I am very curious as to where you got the footage from 14:57 to 15:09; I am a tower operator for Amtrak and instantly recognized it as ZOO, one of the towers I am qualified to work. I have never been able to find footage of the model board when it looked that way. I would LOVE to see the rest of that.
You missed that their final management committed a major act of civic desacration by selling the air rights over thei NYC station and allowing that magnificent building to be destroyed.
Darkness in your brilliant Penn Central video, you said they devirted maintenance, didnt know if was that bad, rocking wagons, rails sinking into the rail bed full of water, you was right, they may as well set it on fire. Then claim it off the insurance.
@@DiamondKingStudios Have you _seen_ the paint scheme on the boxcars they used for that? It takes real talent to lose one of those, never mind all of them.
This was a great upload! I’ve really enjoyed your storytelling through your videos. The PRR had some beautifully painted livery. I’m having a bicycle frame repainted soon and I’m going with either Tuscan Red or Brunswick Green with gold pinstripes and the lettering the same type as the PRR. PC Corp sort of still exists as the American Premier Underwriters company. So in essence the Pennsy still “exists”
Growing up in Pittsburgh I was a HUGE Pennsy fan when I was like 8 I Grew out of it but the PRR Is just such a nostalgic thing for me I very well recall watching videos of PRR K4's and GG1's On a rainy day then going down to the old PRR Main in downtown. the P&LE and SOU Took the Pennsy's sport for me but I still got a sweet spot for it.
Susquehanna can also be pronounced a bunch of other different ways, most with the "que" pronounced as 'kuh. For example suss-'kuh-HÁ-nuh, suss-'kuh-HÀ-nah, suss-'kuh-HAN-nuh, or suss-'kuh-HAN-uh. Take your pick, it's all good :^)
Ah yes. Pennsy. The basis of one of my old usernames. Specifically, my favorite Pennsy loco, the E6. I L O V E chonky Atlantic types, and paire it with a Bel (see what I did there, firebox), and valve gear attached to the second driver set, and you have a fast, strong little engine.
It's almost like working for a company that never lost profit until after the big kaboom makes people get a giant ego about the shit they do... Also something something yadda yadda British Rail similarities.
The board of the PRR had tunnel vision about the New York Central. When they Had so much in common with another RR. They Failed to see that they should have been talking merger with Union Pacific !
PRR is overrated and gets more credit than it should. Really, it was a lot worse off prior to the Penn Central merger. I've always been more of a NYC fan, simply because of the fact that they were more progressive.
Executives: “nah we just fly who even takes our trains anyway” That one finance guy: “what if we put a bunch of funding in flying rich people around in private jets?” _Cue shenanigans_
Adolf Hitler was a progressive and JP Morgan (who self proclaimed himself as a god) said in his biography that he is the founding father of the progressive movement. In the case of the Pennsylvania, they weren't conservative, they were just arrogant. Making an entire movement just to create "change and Forward progress" is just a corporate ponzi scheme to make taxpayers pay for private infrastructure and pretend it's social services for the public good, and the majority of people who support it are addicted to meth and can't take care of themselves so they want everyone to drop down to their level, be in extreme poverty and pretend that the government will take care of us. All progressives are Nazis.
My cousin who is a train engineer in Italy for the last 30 years can't even support himself, and even when I make $300 a week, I still make more money than him. The poorest 20% of Americans make more money than the average European, and this is a direct result of social programs bleeding the public sector dry, because the highest wealthiest tax payers get no bid government contracts for "social services equipment" and set whatever price they want. In the meantime only rich American tourists and the wealthy elites of those countries are the only people who can afford to ride on those high speed rail projects because it takes the average person weeks if not months just to afford a ticket to go somewhere because they are living in extreme poverty. This is all the result of neo Nazi progressive policies.
Pennsylvania was a cool railroad from a very rich and fast locomotives and then now it became a big pile of shit and yes im talking about the Penn Central aka Penn Shit.
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Oh how the mighty have fallen. The Pennsylvania Railroad, the Standard Railroad of the World, became complacent with old-school tech, just like Baldwin.
Finally a good PRR documentary from someone who knows what they're doing. Can't wait to see it
*they’re, and yes this was great. This guy has done some well researched docs. Cheers -
@@arrowguy173Oh yea mb I wrote this late and night when I was drunk so.(joke I was tired) Thanks any way tho
Well there's your problem does 9 hours on it fwiw.
Well done video. I loved the Pennsylvania Railroad. I loved their keystone, Tuscan Red, Brunswick Green, and Belpaire fireboxes. So many great locomotives and rolling stock. I sold off my HO models a few years back and the only one I kept is an I-1. The only sleeper train I have taken was on the Pennsy. I got to blow the whistle on a GG1 and the only true dining car I ever ate in was on the PRR. The Penn Central merger and the need for the merger was truly a dark time in my life.
It wasn't just the PRR & NYC management that had a hard time getting along - when the merger was announced to the rank-and-file, employees at both railroads were stunned. They had been "trained" to dislike the other railroad for decades, so the idea of joining forces with their biggest rival was just unconscionable to them. In the grand scheme of things, it probably didn't matter anywhere near as much as the tussle in the board room, but it couldn't have helped.
Yardmasters in Selkirk, NY when a freight train arrives bound for Harrisburg: “You sure? I don’t see it in any of our maps. Do we even go there?”
@@DiamondKingStudios Send it on to Chicago, maybe they can figure it out.
no the Big Problem was with the PRR management
@@dknowles60 Which faction?
@@dknowles60 See also: Executive Jet Aviation and its relationship with the PRR
I'm 76 years old and have lived in the greater New Haven area my entire life. The best thing for the New Haven Railroad was getting some GG-1s in the New Haven yards. The New Haven was electrified from New Haven to New York City.
The Pennsy was a railroad of contrasts, much of their business management was on the conservative side, playing a long game and avoiding big gambles when it came to their routes, but almost obsessively trying things that others were unwilling or uninterested in doing when it came to locomotive engineering, hence why they were one of few American railroads to use belpaire fireboxes, duplex locomotives, a direct-drive steam turbine, the "holy terror" fleet of almost 600 I1 decapod coal haulers, as well as some of the finest streamlining to ever grace the world's rails.
Love it! I always look forward to your videos! Did you know that Charles Carroll, signer of the declaration of independence, was a railway man as well? I believe he helped start the B&O
The Pennsy had some Texas connections.
The Texas Eagle of the MoPac/T&P had through sleepers to New York; Philadelphia and Washington,D.C.
The Railroad Museum in Frisco has a GG1 on display.😮😊
I have went to Horseshoe curve. It is absolutely amazing plus I live like near Johnstown.
Also great video
I was worried that I’d get made at this one but as usual I was pleasantly surprised!!! Great video!!!!
Would you eventually do documentaries for:
New York Central
Great Northern
Northern Pacific
Santa Fe
Denver & Rio Grande Southern
Virginia & Truckee
Rio Grande Southern
Colorado & Southern
and my favorite (Southern Pacific)
He's done NYC?
@@Low760 he's done Alfred E Perlman who was the NYC president from the mid-50s until Penn Central, but not of the NYC itself
If only he would colab with hyce and do a drg&w history that would be epic!
Great video and part of the intriguing railroad history. I grew up in the PA/WV area in the 60s, My grandfather had been a brakeman for the B&O railroad so I was always intrigued by trains. I find the railroad history interesting, especially 2 or more competing in the same areas such as B&O and Pennsie, which I believe they did through Pittsburgh. I have to assume that the shared tracks (for interstate commerce) were reciprocity agreements. Or they’d have to for example run competing lines on opposite sides of the river. Not such a problem today with only a handful of companies running the whole U.S. but I’m sure it still exists for cross-country freight.
A very well done documentary on one of the greatest railroads in the history of the nation.
I am very curious as to where you got the footage from 14:57 to 15:09; I am a tower operator for Amtrak and instantly recognized it as ZOO, one of the towers I am qualified to work. I have never been able to find footage of the model board when it looked that way. I would LOVE to see the rest of that.
Their tunnels into NYC are a triumph of engineering for any time. Digging from both sides of the river and coming within a quarter-inch of each other.
A great video on the Standard Railroad of the US.
You missed that their final management committed a major act of civic desacration by selling the air rights over thei NYC station and allowing that magnificent building to be destroyed.
Darkness in your brilliant Penn Central video, you said they devirted maintenance, didnt know if was that bad, rocking wagons, rails sinking into the rail bed full of water, you was right, they may as well set it on fire.
Then claim it off the insurance.
It’s amazing to see the videos on TH-cam that PC submitted for funding.
@@arrowguy173 Eh?
@@arrowguy173”even the Maine potato farmers have given up on us” sort of energy I’d guess
@@DiamondKingStudios Have you _seen_ the paint scheme on the boxcars they used for that? It takes real talent to lose one of those, never mind all of them.
@@alexhajnal107 or perhaps such a profound lack of talent that it seems in itself to require talent
This was a great upload! I’ve really enjoyed your storytelling through your videos. The PRR had some beautifully painted livery. I’m having a bicycle frame repainted soon and I’m going with either Tuscan Red or Brunswick Green with gold pinstripes and the lettering the same type as the PRR.
PC Corp sort of still exists as the American Premier Underwriters company. So in essence the Pennsy still “exists”
Do they still hold the name "pennsylvania Railroad"?
*"I would have waited an eternity for this."*
"It's over Prime"😈
Growing up in Pittsburgh I was a HUGE Pennsy fan when I was like 8 I Grew out of it but the PRR Is just such a nostalgic thing for me I very well recall watching videos of PRR K4's and GG1's On a rainy day then going down to the old PRR Main in downtown. the P&LE and SOU Took the Pennsy's sport for me but I still got a sweet spot for it.
I respect Alfred E Pearlman as a businessman but I still hate him for getting rid of the steam engines
Thanks!
Wait if the B&O was void, then why did the sandpatch grade still exist?
17:13 What's the music used?
Better do New York Central next
Don't forget New Haven!
@@alexhajnal107I think he already did a video on New Haven.
@@DanielChannel57 So he has. And apparently I've watched it. Methinks it's time for a rewatch!
You aughta do the rio grande next, they have a complex history and are technically still around as union pacific.
Could you do a video on the Maine Central and Boston And Maine?
Love the video but you can tell who lives near Lancaster by the way they pronounce the name
Can you do Santa Fe or Southern Pacific next?
Still do not understand why they merged as they covered pretty much the same area.
So did the Seaboard Air Line and the Atlantic Coast Line down south, and a year before them also.
They were both hemorrhaging money and hoped that they could lower costs.
My great great grandfather used to work on the PRR as a conductor
It's very clear, in the business world, that you NEED to change with society and practices, otherwise you won't last.
FWIW, the PRR and the B&O were two major exhibitors at the 1893-1894 Columbian Exposition.
Susquehanna can also be pronounced a bunch of other different ways, most with the "que" pronounced as 'kuh. For example suss-'kuh-HÁ-nuh, suss-'kuh-HÀ-nah, suss-'kuh-HAN-nuh, or suss-'kuh-HAN-uh. Take your pick, it's all good :^)
Well at least we have the 2 K4s.
17:13 this piece of music ist the official Pearlman Theme
Ah yes. Pennsy. The basis of one of my old usernames. Specifically, my favorite Pennsy loco, the E6. I L O V E chonky Atlantic types, and paire it with a Bel (see what I did there, firebox), and valve gear attached to the second driver set, and you have a fast, strong little engine.
Make a video about the Greek armored cruiser Georgios Averof.
I wonder if the Pennsy would still be around if it wasn't for the Penn Central Disaster
no it would have not been around
@@dknowles60Your reasoning ?????
That looks like the Enola yard with that hill sorting cars and whatnot. Maybe, maybe not
It's almost like working for a company that never lost profit until after the big kaboom makes people get a giant ego about the shit they do...
Also something something yadda yadda British Rail similarities.
The board of the PRR had tunnel vision about the New York Central. When they Had so much in common with another RR. They Failed to see that they should have been talking merger with Union Pacific !
He have friends work cprail montreal angus shop he said we was just mad penncentral close shop.we just disgust about wreck penncentral.very sad.😮
PRR is overrated and gets more credit than it should. Really, it was a lot worse off prior to the Penn Central merger. I've always been more of a NYC fan, simply because of the fact that they were more progressive.
Executives: “nah we just fly who even takes our trains anyway”
That one finance guy: “what if we put a bunch of funding in flying rich people around in private jets?”
_Cue shenanigans_
@@DiamondKingStudios True story.
Adolf Hitler was a progressive and JP Morgan (who self proclaimed himself as a god) said in his biography that he is the founding father of the progressive movement. In the case of the Pennsylvania, they weren't conservative, they were just arrogant. Making an entire movement just to create "change and Forward progress" is just a corporate ponzi scheme to make taxpayers pay for private infrastructure and pretend it's social services for the public good, and the majority of people who support it are addicted to meth and can't take care of themselves so they want everyone to drop down to their level, be in extreme poverty and pretend that the government will take care of us. All progressives are Nazis.
My cousin who is a train engineer in Italy for the last 30 years can't even support himself, and even when I make $300 a week, I still make more money than him. The poorest 20% of Americans make more money than the average European, and this is a direct result of social programs bleeding the public sector dry, because the highest wealthiest tax payers get no bid government contracts for "social services equipment" and set whatever price they want. In the meantime only rich American tourists and the wealthy elites of those countries are the only people who can afford to ride on those high speed rail projects because it takes the average person weeks if not months just to afford a ticket to go somewhere because they are living in extreme poverty. This is all the result of neo Nazi progressive policies.
@@DaMan-jt6dh _"neo Nazi", "progressive"_ Those words don't mean what you think they mean.
Pennsylvania became the Schwinn of railroads...
Fame is your friend and enemy
Oh yeah!! PA PA PA! The center of the east coast. Love me some PA
the NYC was doing very good in the 1950's
TO HELL WITH PENN-CENTRAL!!!
Sorry, but apart, they were great.
the PRR was not Successful since the End of WW2, the NYC was Very Successful
Wrong .
no the NYC did not have to settle for the PRR the Fed Gov forced the Merger. the NYC was making it all by it self
You reason for that statement ??
Your reason for that statement??
Records form Al perman
Pennsylvania was a cool railroad from a very rich and fast locomotives and then now it became a big pile of shit
and yes im talking about the Penn Central aka Penn Shit.