Oh how the mighty have fallen. The Pennsylvania Railroad, the Standard Railroad of the World, became complacent with old-school tech, just like Baldwin.
Well done video. I loved the Pennsylvania Railroad. I loved their keystone, Tuscan Red, Brunswick Green, and Belpaire fireboxes. So many great locomotives and rolling stock. I sold off my HO models a few years back and the only one I kept is an I-1. The only sleeper train I have taken was on the Pennsy. I got to blow the whistle on a GG1 and the only true dining car I ever ate in was on the PRR. The Penn Central merger and the need for the merger was truly a dark time in my life.
It wasn't just the PRR & NYC management that had a hard time getting along - when the merger was announced to the rank-and-file, employees at both railroads were stunned. They had been "trained" to dislike the other railroad for decades, so the idea of joining forces with their biggest rival was just unconscionable to them. In the grand scheme of things, it probably didn't matter anywhere near as much as the tussle in the board room, but it couldn't have helped.
I'm 76 years old and have lived in the greater New Haven area my entire life. The best thing for the New Haven Railroad was getting some GG-1s in the New Haven yards. The New Haven was electrified from New Haven to New York City.
The Pennsy was a railroad of contrasts, much of their business management was on the conservative side, playing a long game and avoiding big gambles when it came to their routes, but almost obsessively trying things that others were unwilling or uninterested in doing when it came to locomotive engineering, hence why they were one of few American railroads to use belpaire fireboxes, duplex locomotives, a direct-drive steam turbine, the "holy terror" fleet of almost 600 I1 decapod coal haulers, as well as some of the finest streamlining to ever grace the world's rails.
Speaking of GG1's, if there's enough information on them, could you make a video (even if it's shorter) about the C&O M1? Definitely an interesting locomotive, especially it's size.
Love it! I always look forward to your videos! Did you know that Charles Carroll, signer of the declaration of independence, was a railway man as well? I believe he helped start the B&O
The Pennsy had some Texas connections. The Texas Eagle of the MoPac/T&P had through sleepers to New York; Philadelphia and Washington,D.C. The Railroad Museum in Frisco has a GG1 on display.😮😊
Would you eventually do documentaries for: New York Central Great Northern Northern Pacific Santa Fe Denver & Rio Grande Southern Virginia & Truckee Rio Grande Southern Colorado & Southern and my favorite (Southern Pacific)
You missed that their final management committed a major act of civic desacration by selling the air rights over thei NYC station and allowing that magnificent building to be destroyed.
A very well done documentary on one of the greatest railroads in the history of the nation. I am very curious as to where you got the footage from 14:57 to 15:09; I am a tower operator for Amtrak and instantly recognized it as ZOO, one of the towers I am qualified to work. I have never been able to find footage of the model board when it looked that way. I would LOVE to see the rest of that.
This was a great upload! I’ve really enjoyed your storytelling through your videos. The PRR had some beautifully painted livery. I’m having a bicycle frame repainted soon and I’m going with either Tuscan Red or Brunswick Green with gold pinstripes and the lettering the same type as the PRR. PC Corp sort of still exists as the American Premier Underwriters company. So in essence the Pennsy still “exists”
Great video and part of the intriguing railroad history. I grew up in the PA/WV area in the 60s, My grandfather had been a brakeman for the B&O railroad so I was always intrigued by trains. I find the railroad history interesting, especially 2 or more competing in the same areas such as B&O and Pennsie, which I believe they did through Pittsburgh. I have to assume that the shared tracks (for interstate commerce) were reciprocity agreements. Or they’d have to for example run competing lines on opposite sides of the river. Not such a problem today with only a handful of companies running the whole U.S. but I’m sure it still exists for cross-country freight.
Growing up in Pittsburgh I was a HUGE Pennsy fan when I was like 8 I Grew out of it but the PRR Is just such a nostalgic thing for me I very well recall watching videos of PRR K4's and GG1's On a rainy day then going down to the old PRR Main in downtown. the P&LE and SOU Took the Pennsy's sport for me but I still got a sweet spot for it.
Darkness in your brilliant Penn Central video, you said they devirted maintenance, didnt know if was that bad, rocking wagons, rails sinking into the rail bed full of water, you was right, they may as well set it on fire. Then claim it off the insurance.
@@DiamondKingStudios Have you _seen_ the paint scheme on the boxcars they used for that? It takes real talent to lose one of those, never mind all of them.
From 30th Station Yard in Philadelpha PA PRR followed the Philadelphia & Columber Railroad out to Columbia PA onto the Eastern Division of PA Canal to Harrisburg then crossed the Susquehanna River up along the Juniata Rivers to Hollidaysburg Yard using the Old & New Allegheny Portage Railroad. In later Years after leaving Hollidaysburg PRR built and used Horseshoe Curve after PRR built Altoona to be a railroad town onto Johnstown. Once in Johnstown we cross the Conemaugh River and follow it out to Bolivar down to Greensburg to Pittsburgh, as the first line followed the Conemaugh River to Saltsburg onto the Western Pennsylvania Railroad crossing Allegheny River south to Allegheny City now Pittsburgh's North Side as some call it North Side to cross Allegheny River to AMTRAK-Greyhound using the PA Canal.
Among many other aspects which ruined the Pennsy and other major railroads, was the interstate highway system as trucking siphoned away a lot of the freight and both bus and airlines siphoned away the passenger traffic. I had the opportunity growing up in Newark, NJ to ride on Pennsy MU’s and watch many GG-1’s blazing through the landscape.
PRR's mainline used the MARC Trains Camden Line as PRR also took over B&O RR's and the Baltimore & Potomac Railroad down to the Potomac Yard in Virginia south of Union Station in Washington D.C.
Fantastic video. A side note (rather dwarfed by the solid content of the narrative): our lovely town of Lancaster is pronounced LANG-kiss-tur. What with your being a non-Lancastrian, we shan’t hold it against you.
Would push back a little on your conservative/cautious theme because PRR made a big bet on building Hudson river tunnels, assembling land in New York for yards and RR station, tunneling through Manhattan and under East River, building the Sunnyside Yards and the Hell Gate bridge. Someone said if Alexander Cassatt could have foreseen the decline of passenger rail over the next half century the PRR would never have made that investment. Of course, 50 years later, by 1960, the business was in ruins and they sold their beautiful Pennsylvania Station to developers for destruction and replacement with sports arena.
Penn Alp's along the Cassleman River in Grantsville Maryland was built as pre canal town that was built to service C&O Canal, but it never reached location along Alt. U.S. 40 as C&O Canal was to have followed Cassleman to along old U.S. 219 to merge onto the B&O RR up to Pittsburg now Pittsburg to meet what the PA Canal built the C&O from 2nd Avenue at Saline Street at Panther Hollow Junction to pull onto Try Stret to use canal tunnel under Grants Hill to reach todays AMTRAK, Greyhound Link Bus Stations at the dried up Canal. As C&O's sake was to service the Chesapeake & Ohio Valleys.
Read "The Wreck of the Penn Central" for an in-depth analysis of how this new railroad went bankrupt in short order (2-1/2 years). It's the poster child for how not to run a railroad. Of interest will be the freight train operations...right off the tracks, so to speak. Also check out how their part in the Maine potato fiasco which severly impacted not only the potato farmers but also the BAR.
Susquehanna can also be pronounced a bunch of other different ways, most with the "que" pronounced as 'kuh. For example suss-'kuh-HÁ-nuh, suss-'kuh-HÀ-nah, suss-'kuh-HAN-nuh, or suss-'kuh-HAN-uh. Take your pick, it's all good :^)
Ah yes. Pennsy. The basis of one of my old usernames. Specifically, my favorite Pennsy loco, the E6. I L O V E chonky Atlantic types, and paire it with a Bel (see what I did there, firebox), and valve gear attached to the second driver set, and you have a fast, strong little engine.
@@Joe-d7m6k How young are you Even the Great N&W rr did not Want the PRR it had been losing money since the End of WW2, it was the N&W rr stock dividends that kept the PRR going until 1964 , the 1ime to save the PRR would have been 1946, yea there would have been some strike lay offs , is google to hard for you to use . hint most of the PRR is gone west of Pittsburg
It's almost like working for a company that never lost profit until after the big kaboom makes people get a giant ego about the shit they do... Also something something yadda yadda British Rail similarities.
I often thought about your question. I don't believe the Pennsy would've survived regardless of the merger because mismanagement just drained them financially. My opinion to survive they needed to modernize much sooner and focused only on the major markets and sold off or just closed the rest. I would like to see how the Union Pacific managed to survive today.
PRR is overrated and gets more credit than it should. Really, it was a lot worse off prior to the Penn Central merger. I've always been more of a NYC fan, simply because of the fact that they were more progressive.
Executives: “nah we just fly who even takes our trains anyway” That one finance guy: “what if we put a bunch of funding in flying rich people around in private jets?” _Cue shenanigans_
Adolf Hitler was a progressive and JP Morgan (who self proclaimed himself as a god) said in his biography that he is the founding father of the progressive movement. In the case of the Pennsylvania, they weren't conservative, they were just arrogant. Making an entire movement just to create "change and Forward progress" is just a corporate ponzi scheme to make taxpayers pay for private infrastructure and pretend it's social services for the public good, and the majority of people who support it are addicted to meth and can't take care of themselves so they want everyone to drop down to their level, be in extreme poverty and pretend that the government will take care of us. All progressives are Nazis.
My cousin who is a train engineer in Italy for the last 30 years can't even support himself, and even when I make $300 a week, I still make more money than him. The poorest 20% of Americans make more money than the average European, and this is a direct result of social programs bleeding the public sector dry, because the highest wealthiest tax payers get no bid government contracts for "social services equipment" and set whatever price they want. In the meantime only rich American tourists and the wealthy elites of those countries are the only people who can afford to ride on those high speed rail projects because it takes the average person weeks if not months just to afford a ticket to go somewhere because they are living in extreme poverty. This is all the result of neo Nazi progressive policies.
The board of the PRR had tunnel vision about the New York Central. When they Had so much in common with another RR. They Failed to see that they should have been talking merger with Union Pacific !
As we are leaving Hanover PA CSX WM Yard as WM left Yard it crossed PA 194 and PA 94 serving Bethlehem Streel now Vulcan Limestone Pit crossing Hanover Street and Road just west of PA 94 we come to cut wye at WM's Brickyard Road that lead WM to East Berlin PA where line was sold to private line. In East Berlin PA line was never completed to Dillsburg PA at U.S. 15 Storage & Car Wash as the following thanks to J.P. Morgan had the Cumberland Valley RR AKA PRR and Democrats operate the line from PA 641 crossing would be SPRR line. Far more information I have.
Pennsylvania Democrats have always been greedy, arrogant for far too long and far worse. In the case of the Pennsylvania Railroad management they were backed by the PA Democrats which both together created a hellish war against the Vanderbilt's and the Alphabet lines to where things got far too out of control as PRR and PA Democrats were buying stalks in the West Shas ore Railroad in Western New York to invade the NYC RR lines that with two marriages also included the Lehigh Valley and CNJ Railroads. This sparked William H. Vanderbilt too invade the PRR's mainline area of central PA. Many hidden facts are well hidden as when B&O RR and Baltimore & Susquehanna Railroad sought to use the Northern Central Railroad to reach Harrisburg via White Yard in Cumberland County to cross the Susquehanna Railroad using the Lebanon Valley Railroad to access what was the Lebanon Valley RR that became the Reading Railroad Yard at Rutherford Yard via Memorial Park, had the PRR Management and the Pennsylvania Democrats deny B&S RR and B&O RR access into Pennsylvania. At the same time William H. Vanderbilt and Thaddeous Stevens with the Ahl's brothers were working together to have the Vanderbilt's take over the South Mountain Railroad as the South Mountain RR only at the time only reached Pine Grove Furnace. Plans were to have the South Pennsylvania Railroad that was on paper to be built from 1830 to be used by Vanderbilt's as they were to take over the building of the South Mountain Railroad as the SPRR today is on, along, north and south of Pennsylvania Turnpike and between Bedford east to Rutherford Yard and south of Carlisle Taco Bell was to have been the South Mountain Railroad, as SPRR was to use the empty pairs of the proposed wye of the Reading trestle just south of City Island in the Susquehanna River. This would be connection between the Rutherford Yard and Pittsburg now Pittsburgh PA in Allegheny County PA had plans for the SPRR to reach Braddock PA between along Braddock Avenue as Andrew Carnegie's first mill at Edgar Thompson Works. SPRR was also to have built a line between Wheeling Virginia now West Virginia as SPRR was to use the B&O's Benwood tunnels, B&O RR's Indian Creek Branch along with the Great Allegheny Passage as with many other hidden facts that are well hidden. B&S RR became the Western Maryland RR that became Railway as WM was to wye to the South Mountain RR and the line was to connect to the Appalachian Trail as SPRR was to use AT down to Harpers Ferry VA now WV down to Asheville North Carolina and more. Thaddeous Stevens Iron Works at Caledonia State Park that was destroyed by Confederates during the Civil War helped build the Steel made in Pittsburgh and Edgemere Steel in Western Shore of Maryland. There are other facts I've learned about that are on TH-cam Videos and in books I have that have unearthed many other facts.
Pennsylvania was a cool railroad from a very rich and fast locomotives and then now it became a big pile of shit and yes im talking about the Penn Central aka Penn Shit.
Finally a good PRR documentary from someone who knows what they're doing. Can't wait to see it
@arrowguy173Oh yea mb I wrote this late and night when I was drunk so.(joke I was tired) Thanks any way tho
Well there's your problem does 9 hours on it fwiw.
Oh how the mighty have fallen. The Pennsylvania Railroad, the Standard Railroad of the World, became complacent with old-school tech, just like Baldwin.
YEAH
Well done video. I loved the Pennsylvania Railroad. I loved their keystone, Tuscan Red, Brunswick Green, and Belpaire fireboxes. So many great locomotives and rolling stock. I sold off my HO models a few years back and the only one I kept is an I-1. The only sleeper train I have taken was on the Pennsy. I got to blow the whistle on a GG1 and the only true dining car I ever ate in was on the PRR. The Penn Central merger and the need for the merger was truly a dark time in my life.
It wasn't just the PRR & NYC management that had a hard time getting along - when the merger was announced to the rank-and-file, employees at both railroads were stunned. They had been "trained" to dislike the other railroad for decades, so the idea of joining forces with their biggest rival was just unconscionable to them. In the grand scheme of things, it probably didn't matter anywhere near as much as the tussle in the board room, but it couldn't have helped.
Yardmasters in Selkirk, NY when a freight train arrives bound for Harrisburg: “You sure? I don’t see it in any of our maps. Do we even go there?”
@@DiamondKingStudios Send it on to Chicago, maybe they can figure it out.
no the Big Problem was with the PRR management
@@dknowles60 Which faction?
@@dknowles60 See also: Executive Jet Aviation and its relationship with the PRR
I'm 76 years old and have lived in the greater New Haven area my entire life. The best thing for the New Haven Railroad was getting some GG-1s in the New Haven yards. The New Haven was electrified from New Haven to New York City.
The Pennsy was a railroad of contrasts, much of their business management was on the conservative side, playing a long game and avoiding big gambles when it came to their routes, but almost obsessively trying things that others were unwilling or uninterested in doing when it came to locomotive engineering, hence why they were one of few American railroads to use belpaire fireboxes, duplex locomotives, a direct-drive steam turbine, the "holy terror" fleet of almost 600 I1 decapod coal haulers, as well as some of the finest streamlining to ever grace the world's rails.
Speaking of GG1's, if there's enough information on them, could you make a video (even if it's shorter) about the C&O M1? Definitely an interesting locomotive, especially it's size.
Love it! I always look forward to your videos! Did you know that Charles Carroll, signer of the declaration of independence, was a railway man as well? I believe he helped start the B&O
The Pennsy had some Texas connections.
The Texas Eagle of the MoPac/T&P had through sleepers to New York; Philadelphia and Washington,D.C.
The Railroad Museum in Frisco has a GG1 on display.😮😊
I have went to Horseshoe curve. It is absolutely amazing plus I live like near Johnstown.
Also great video
Would you eventually do documentaries for:
New York Central
Great Northern
Northern Pacific
Santa Fe
Denver & Rio Grande Southern
Virginia & Truckee
Rio Grande Southern
Colorado & Southern
and my favorite (Southern Pacific)
He's done NYC?
@@Low760 he's done Alfred E Perlman who was the NYC president from the mid-50s until Penn Central, but not of the NYC itself
You missed that their final management committed a major act of civic desacration by selling the air rights over thei NYC station and allowing that magnificent building to be destroyed.
A very well done documentary on one of the greatest railroads in the history of the nation.
I am very curious as to where you got the footage from 14:57 to 15:09; I am a tower operator for Amtrak and instantly recognized it as ZOO, one of the towers I am qualified to work. I have never been able to find footage of the model board when it looked that way. I would LOVE to see the rest of that.
A great video on the Standard Railroad of the US.
Their tunnels into NYC are a triumph of engineering for any time. Digging from both sides of the river and coming within a quarter-inch of each other.
I was worried that I’d get made at this one but as usual I was pleasantly surprised!!! Great video!!!!
If only he would colab with hyce and do a drg&w history that would be epic!
Great video Darkness! Very insightful.
This was a great upload! I’ve really enjoyed your storytelling through your videos. The PRR had some beautifully painted livery. I’m having a bicycle frame repainted soon and I’m going with either Tuscan Red or Brunswick Green with gold pinstripes and the lettering the same type as the PRR.
PC Corp sort of still exists as the American Premier Underwriters company. So in essence the Pennsy still “exists”
Do they still hold the name "pennsylvania Railroad"?
Great video and part of the intriguing railroad history. I grew up in the PA/WV area in the 60s, My grandfather had been a brakeman for the B&O railroad so I was always intrigued by trains. I find the railroad history interesting, especially 2 or more competing in the same areas such as B&O and Pennsie, which I believe they did through Pittsburgh. I have to assume that the shared tracks (for interstate commerce) were reciprocity agreements. Or they’d have to for example run competing lines on opposite sides of the river. Not such a problem today with only a handful of companies running the whole U.S. but I’m sure it still exists for cross-country freight.
*"I would have waited an eternity for this."*
"It's over Prime"😈
Growing up in Pittsburgh I was a HUGE Pennsy fan when I was like 8 I Grew out of it but the PRR Is just such a nostalgic thing for me I very well recall watching videos of PRR K4's and GG1's On a rainy day then going down to the old PRR Main in downtown. the P&LE and SOU Took the Pennsy's sport for me but I still got a sweet spot for it.
Wait if the B&O was void, then why did the sandpatch grade still exist?
Darkness in your brilliant Penn Central video, you said they devirted maintenance, didnt know if was that bad, rocking wagons, rails sinking into the rail bed full of water, you was right, they may as well set it on fire.
Then claim it off the insurance.
@arrowguy173 Eh?
@arrowguy173”even the Maine potato farmers have given up on us” sort of energy I’d guess
@@DiamondKingStudios Have you _seen_ the paint scheme on the boxcars they used for that? It takes real talent to lose one of those, never mind all of them.
@@alexhajnal107 or perhaps such a profound lack of talent that it seems in itself to require talent
From 30th Station Yard in Philadelpha PA PRR followed the Philadelphia & Columber Railroad out to Columbia PA onto the Eastern Division of PA Canal to Harrisburg then crossed the Susquehanna River up along the Juniata Rivers to Hollidaysburg Yard using the Old & New Allegheny Portage Railroad. In later Years after leaving Hollidaysburg PRR built and used Horseshoe Curve after PRR built Altoona to be a railroad town onto Johnstown. Once in Johnstown we cross the Conemaugh River and follow it out to Bolivar down to Greensburg to Pittsburgh, as the first line followed the Conemaugh River to Saltsburg onto the Western Pennsylvania Railroad crossing Allegheny River south to Allegheny City now Pittsburgh's North Side as some call it North Side to cross Allegheny River to AMTRAK-Greyhound using the PA Canal.
Could you do a video on the Maine Central and Boston And Maine?
Among many other aspects which ruined the Pennsy and other major railroads, was the interstate highway system as trucking siphoned away a lot of the freight and both bus and airlines siphoned away the passenger traffic. I had the opportunity growing up in Newark, NJ to ride on Pennsy MU’s and watch many GG-1’s blazing through the landscape.
PRR's mainline used the MARC Trains Camden Line as PRR also took over B&O RR's and the Baltimore & Potomac Railroad down to the Potomac Yard in Virginia south of Union Station in Washington D.C.
My great great grandfather used to work on the PRR as a conductor
Better do New York Central next
Don't forget New Haven!
@@alexhajnal107I think he already did a video on New Haven.
@@DanielChannel57 So he has. And apparently I've watched it. Methinks it's time for a rewatch!
You aughta do the rio grande next, they have a complex history and are technically still around as union pacific.
Still do not understand why they merged as they covered pretty much the same area.
So did the Seaboard Air Line and the Atlantic Coast Line down south, and a year before them also.
They were both hemorrhaging money and hoped that they could lower costs.
Fantastic video. A side note (rather dwarfed by the solid content of the narrative): our lovely town of Lancaster is pronounced LANG-kiss-tur. What with your being a non-Lancastrian, we shan’t hold it against you.
I respect Alfred E Pearlman as a businessman but I still hate him for getting rid of the steam engines
Can you do Santa Fe or Southern Pacific next?
Would push back a little on your conservative/cautious theme because PRR made a big bet on building Hudson river tunnels, assembling land in New York for yards and RR station, tunneling through Manhattan and under East River, building the Sunnyside Yards and the Hell Gate bridge. Someone said if Alexander Cassatt could have foreseen the decline of passenger rail over the next half century the PRR would never have made that investment. Of course, 50 years later, by 1960, the business was in ruins and they sold their beautiful Pennsylvania Station to developers for destruction and replacement with sports arena.
17:13 What's the music used?
Love the video but you can tell who lives near Lancaster by the way they pronounce the name
FWIW, the PRR and the B&O were two major exhibitors at the 1893-1894 Columbian Exposition.
Thanks!
Penn Alp's along the Cassleman River in Grantsville Maryland was built as pre canal town that was built to service C&O Canal, but it never reached location along Alt. U.S. 40 as C&O Canal was to have followed Cassleman to along old U.S. 219 to merge onto the B&O RR up to Pittsburg now Pittsburg to meet what the PA Canal built the C&O from 2nd Avenue at Saline Street at Panther Hollow Junction to pull onto Try Stret to use canal tunnel under Grants Hill to reach todays AMTRAK, Greyhound Link Bus Stations at the dried up Canal. As C&O's sake was to service the Chesapeake & Ohio Valleys.
It's very clear, in the business world, that you NEED to change with society and practices, otherwise you won't last.
Read "The Wreck of the Penn Central" for an in-depth analysis of how this new railroad went bankrupt in short order (2-1/2 years). It's the poster child for how not to run a railroad. Of interest will be the freight train operations...right off the tracks, so to speak. Also check out how their part in the Maine potato fiasco which severly impacted not only the potato farmers but also the BAR.
Susquehanna can also be pronounced a bunch of other different ways, most with the "que" pronounced as 'kuh. For example suss-'kuh-HÁ-nuh, suss-'kuh-HÀ-nah, suss-'kuh-HAN-nuh, or suss-'kuh-HAN-uh. Take your pick, it's all good :^)
Ah yes. Pennsy. The basis of one of my old usernames. Specifically, my favorite Pennsy loco, the E6. I L O V E chonky Atlantic types, and paire it with a Bel (see what I did there, firebox), and valve gear attached to the second driver set, and you have a fast, strong little engine.
17:13 this piece of music ist the official Pearlman Theme
That looks like the Enola yard with that hill sorting cars and whatnot. Maybe, maybe not
Make a video about the Greek armored cruiser Georgios Averof.
I wonder if the Pennsy would still be around if it wasn't for the Penn Central Disaster
no it would have not been around
@@dknowles60Your reasoning ?????
@@Joe-d7m6k How young are you Even the Great N&W rr did not Want the PRR it had been losing money since the End of WW2, it was the N&W rr stock dividends that kept the PRR going until 1964 , the 1ime to save the PRR would have been 1946, yea there would have been some strike lay offs , is google to hard for you to use . hint most of the PRR is gone west of Pittsburg
Well at least we have the 2 K4s.
It's almost like working for a company that never lost profit until after the big kaboom makes people get a giant ego about the shit they do...
Also something something yadda yadda British Rail similarities.
I often thought about your question. I don't believe the Pennsy would've survived regardless of the merger because mismanagement just drained them financially. My opinion to survive they needed to modernize much sooner and focused only on the major markets and sold off or just closed the rest. I would like to see how the Union Pacific managed to survive today.
PRR is overrated and gets more credit than it should. Really, it was a lot worse off prior to the Penn Central merger. I've always been more of a NYC fan, simply because of the fact that they were more progressive.
Executives: “nah we just fly who even takes our trains anyway”
That one finance guy: “what if we put a bunch of funding in flying rich people around in private jets?”
_Cue shenanigans_
@@DiamondKingStudios True story.
Adolf Hitler was a progressive and JP Morgan (who self proclaimed himself as a god) said in his biography that he is the founding father of the progressive movement. In the case of the Pennsylvania, they weren't conservative, they were just arrogant. Making an entire movement just to create "change and Forward progress" is just a corporate ponzi scheme to make taxpayers pay for private infrastructure and pretend it's social services for the public good, and the majority of people who support it are addicted to meth and can't take care of themselves so they want everyone to drop down to their level, be in extreme poverty and pretend that the government will take care of us. All progressives are Nazis.
My cousin who is a train engineer in Italy for the last 30 years can't even support himself, and even when I make $300 a week, I still make more money than him. The poorest 20% of Americans make more money than the average European, and this is a direct result of social programs bleeding the public sector dry, because the highest wealthiest tax payers get no bid government contracts for "social services equipment" and set whatever price they want. In the meantime only rich American tourists and the wealthy elites of those countries are the only people who can afford to ride on those high speed rail projects because it takes the average person weeks if not months just to afford a ticket to go somewhere because they are living in extreme poverty. This is all the result of neo Nazi progressive policies.
@@DaMan-jt6dh _"neo Nazi", "progressive"_ Those words don't mean what you think they mean.
The board of the PRR had tunnel vision about the New York Central. When they Had so much in common with another RR. They Failed to see that they should have been talking merger with Union Pacific !
the Union Pacific never wanted that loser PRR
Pennsylvania became the Schwinn of railroads...
Fame is your friend and enemy
He have friends work cprail montreal angus shop he said we was just mad penncentral close shop.we just disgust about wreck penncentral.very sad.😮
the NYC was doing very good in the 1950's
As we are leaving Hanover PA CSX WM Yard as WM left Yard it crossed PA 194 and PA 94 serving Bethlehem Streel now Vulcan Limestone Pit crossing Hanover Street and Road just west of PA 94 we come to cut wye at WM's Brickyard Road that lead WM to East Berlin PA where line was sold to private line. In East Berlin PA line was never completed to Dillsburg PA at U.S. 15 Storage & Car Wash as the following thanks to J.P. Morgan had the Cumberland Valley RR AKA PRR and Democrats operate the line from PA 641 crossing would be SPRR line. Far more information I have.
Oh yeah!! PA PA PA! The center of the east coast. Love me some PA
the PRR was not Successful since the End of WW2, the NYC was Very Successful
Wrong .
@@Joe-d7m6k from the Fed Gov you are wrong how young are you
TO HELL WITH PENN-CENTRAL!!!
Sorry, but apart, they were great.
Pennsylvania Democrats have always been greedy, arrogant for far too long and far worse. In the case of the Pennsylvania Railroad management they were backed by the PA Democrats which both together created a hellish war against the Vanderbilt's and the Alphabet lines to where things got far too out of control as PRR and PA Democrats were buying stalks in the West Shas ore Railroad in Western New York to invade the NYC RR lines that with two marriages also included the Lehigh Valley and CNJ Railroads. This sparked William H. Vanderbilt too invade the PRR's mainline area of central PA. Many hidden facts are well hidden as when B&O RR and Baltimore & Susquehanna Railroad sought to use the Northern Central Railroad to reach Harrisburg via White Yard in Cumberland County to cross the Susquehanna Railroad using the Lebanon Valley Railroad to access what was the Lebanon Valley RR that became the Reading Railroad Yard at Rutherford Yard via Memorial Park, had the PRR Management and the Pennsylvania Democrats deny B&S RR and B&O RR access into Pennsylvania. At the same time William H. Vanderbilt and Thaddeous Stevens with the Ahl's brothers were working together to have the Vanderbilt's take over the South Mountain Railroad as the South Mountain RR only at the time only reached Pine Grove Furnace. Plans were to have the South Pennsylvania Railroad that was on paper to be built from 1830 to be used by Vanderbilt's as they were to take over the building of the South Mountain Railroad as the SPRR today is on, along, north and south of Pennsylvania Turnpike and between Bedford east to Rutherford Yard and south of Carlisle Taco Bell was to have been the South Mountain Railroad, as SPRR was to use the empty pairs of the proposed wye of the Reading trestle just south of City Island in the Susquehanna River. This would be connection between the Rutherford Yard and Pittsburg now Pittsburgh PA in Allegheny County PA had plans for the SPRR to reach Braddock PA between along Braddock Avenue as Andrew Carnegie's first mill at Edgar Thompson Works. SPRR was also to have built a line between Wheeling Virginia now West Virginia as SPRR was to use the B&O's Benwood tunnels, B&O RR's Indian Creek Branch along with the Great Allegheny Passage as with many other hidden facts that are well hidden. B&S RR became the Western Maryland RR that became Railway as WM was to wye to the South Mountain RR and the line was to connect to the Appalachian Trail as SPRR was to use AT down to Harpers Ferry VA now WV down to Asheville North Carolina and more. Thaddeous Stevens Iron Works at Caledonia State Park that was destroyed by Confederates during the Civil War helped build the Steel made in Pittsburgh and Edgemere Steel in Western Shore of Maryland. There are other facts I've learned about that are on TH-cam Videos and in books I have that have unearthed many other facts.
no the NYC did not have to settle for the PRR the Fed Gov forced the Merger. the NYC was making it all by it self
You reason for that statement ??
Your reason for that statement??
Records form Al perman
Pennsylvania was a cool railroad from a very rich and fast locomotives and then now it became a big pile of shit
and yes im talking about the Penn Central aka Penn Shit.