During my 8 years as a regular pioneer, I heard a good share of failed illustrations: *Failed Illustration #1:* "If your wooden house was completely eaten by termites. Would you tear down the house or get rid of the termites?" The pioneer wanted to illustrate why Jehovah wouldn't destroy the planet but the wicked people on it. The householder answered, "It would be useless to try to repair a house in the condition you described. I would tear it down and build a new house." *Failed Illustration #2:* After reading Matthew 13: 47-53, where it mentions that the fisherman would keep the good fish but throw away the bad fish, the pioneer asks the householder which of the two you would want to be? He answered, "I prefer to be one of the bad fish that were thrown back into the sea. They'll eat the good fish that they kept."
I hate that I started listening to heavy metal after I told my parents I no longer believed in this crap and then remembering that jws make worldly people look like they listen to that
Could any sane man put up with a prudish nauseating prig like Neeta ?! I'd die if I was offered a bowl of symetrical fruit and cereal for breakfast! The clothes selection -like the Mission Impossible man choosing his team for the day, the song in the car !!!!!!! I'd need certifying within a week !! Thank God she's a lesbian !
Did anyone else noticed that, at the beginning of the segment, while Jade was sleeping on the bus, she still had enough morality to give her seat to an elderly person, even though she is corrupt, worldly girl?
Looking forward to the day when one of these 'video acting' Jehovah's Witnesses leave the organisation and appear on John Cedar's Channel to discuss their experience as a Witness. It's just a matter of time.
I wish they included names of the people they used so we could look them up. I was looking at old young people ask videos trying to see if I could find out anything about those old jw’s
I would love to see that too! I hope they would do research on the organization especially the Australian Royal Commission. Those 3 words can wake up a JW borg!
Their story actually reminded me of this real life story that happened in my community. This girl would bring along her study to parties and meetings, but then she ended up getting disfellowshipped because they were in a lesbian relationship.
Oh, Jade and Neeta, I hope you two crazy kids run away together and live happily ever after. Neeta, you could help Jade tidy up a bit, and Jade, you could help Neeta stop arranging her fruit in rows like a serial (cereal) killer.
@@carmensavu5122 It's probably why Neeta is so slender. It takes her 3 hours to slice and arrange each meal. She only has time to make and eat 1 or 2 meals a day.
This whole story is really a Watchtower Fantasy. The chances that a conversion like this happens are next to nothing. However, the chances that a young woman like Jade pulls a JW like Neeta out of the organization though....now that happens all the time.
Ooooh i would love to see a videoseries of that! Of course it would go something like this: jw gives her number to someone she thinks is interested in truth and they start texting about normal everyday things (how terrible) and become friends. Then the worldly person invites the jw to a party where there is alcohol and of course drugs and cigarettes and boys. Then the jw starts slowly living a double life and gets caught because a fellow jw saw a picture of her on ig at a party and she gets disfellowshipped. Convention video would then ofc show that she becomes sad and begs for forgiveness and happy ending back in organisation whoop yay fun but the real ending would be the now ex jw starting to learn to live a normal free life and maybe have fun sometimes with real friends. So who wants to make a movie?
There really is no way a cute little rocker chick like Jade would ever be so interested in starting a conversation with a girl at a JW preaching cart. and after the conversation, if it ever took place, Jade would be laughing about it. There is no way Jade would have been that interested in learning about the bible so fast.
I'm just five minutes in and already the supposed contrast between the morning routine of a Witness and a "worldly person" is causing me to facepalm so hard that my head almost fell off. Can I even survive a full two-hour forty-one minutes of self-congratulatory Watchtower stupidity?
It`s interesting that although JWs always portray worldly people as narcissistic, selfish, arrogant, superficial, obnoxious people with complete lack of compassion for anyone but themselves, in this story they admittedly portray the worldly person (Jade) as unorganized etc., but she is also portrayed as a caring and compassionate person (gives her seat away to an elderly woman on the train, is witty, charming). The only reason for that is bc she is a potential JW, and therefore a good person. If she was not interested in the JW religion, she would be portrayed as an evil person.
@@hannewoldeck2123 The jargon for this is "honest-hearted person", which for all intents and purposes means "potential convert." Obviously they can't be portrayed as ALL bad if they are attracted to the Watchtower faith in the first place.
Yes, to them this is an honest-hearted person, but in reality, if you`re attracted to the JW religion, it`s not necessarily bc you`re a good/honest person, but a victim.
@@IzzysTravelDiaries If you do you should share it. What JW gave us was only the first act. The conflict comes when they have to choose between love and their religion
Thankyou Lloyd, your work genuinely makes my deconversion process so much easier. I am speaking with the Truth Project tomorrow; in a large part due to your channel and the encouragement that I’ve got from it.
The Truth Project offers survivors of child sexual abuse the chance to share their experiences, it’s part of the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse, which was set up because of serious concerns that some organisations have failed to protect children from sexual abuse.
@@franktobia4169 That's true. I heard a conversation between a Jehovah's witness and someone who challenged them. Definitely wasn't their first conversation. The JW said that they were afraid to leave the religion because before they joined they were homeless and addicted to drugs and would lose all the support they had in overcoming that if they left.
@@MirandolinaAmaldin Yeah they look for people with misfortunes that's the whole thing, they pretend the to care about your situation but it's really they want you in that awfully organization to get you roped in, they'll even talk to people with tattoos and green hair or something like that they don't like that look but they do what they have to do so pathetic
At 17:12 (I saw that look!) Nita discards her upbringing totally & marries Jade on the beach. All their friends were there, except any JWs who never replied to their invites. They live on the beach in a cheap beach house funded by Nita's & Jade's new found ability to turn beach combed stuff into jewellery & objet d'art whilst Nita plugs the holes in her education with her path into Uni looking smoother & smoother. Jade finishes her PhD in marine bioluminescence used as markers to help cure Covid19. They're both happy AF! THE END!
When Jada's mother wants her over for the holidays she looks like she's having a breaking down on the verge of suicide that's how pathetic and organization makes people feel
I have to wonder, if the two JW actresses involved in filming this ended up getting investigated by real life Elders due to their obvious chemistry. Theres more than acting skills on show, there.....
If Jade had a prescription for Xanax, a highly addictive drug, it would be okay with Joe Hova since it is medical. So if she lived in a place where medical marijuana was legal, Joe would have to be okay with it, because "it's medical". I should open medical marijuana dispensaries next to Kingdom Halls. It should make meetings more tolerable.
Michael Ervolina From what ive heard it’s the actual act of smoking they frown upon. But edibles for example, or if it was prescribed by a doctor, it’s more of a don’t ask don’t tell.
When I was growing up a jw a sister in the hall was prescribed weed because she had cancer and the elders were ok with it mainly because the coordinator was pretty open-minded. I don't know how that goes elsewhere. It was for her to handle the pain. I'm sure other places can be strict and not allow people to use it. I know it's now frowned upon where I live now because recreational marijuana has become legal. Weird because they're ok with alcohol.
I would pledge my entire student loan to fund a series about Neeta and Jade's epic love story and subsequent thrilling escape from the cult. Rally the lesbians, we can make this happen.
I am currently being pressured to join this organization and am in a Bible study and this video is spot on about the steps the teacher takes, I did genuinely think that she cared about me but I know it’s not true or maybe it is but she’d always choose the organization first. I want to quit the study because I know too much and I cannot be a part of this.
Yes I quit and the girl was surprisingly nice about it. I texted her all my reasons and she just said if I ever had any questions she’d be glad to answer them for me.
@@rebekapina1947 They are nice just like they were and still are to me because you were not a full fledged member. You are considered an interested one and while they won't contact you often or hang out with you anymore, they will still check in from time to time on you. This is because they still see you as a potential recruit. Its once you get BAPTIZED as a JW that everything changes.
I thought the exact same thing!! Since these are fictional characters, there's nothing stopping anybody from writing a fanfiction based on the video, I'm just going to say that
That baptism scene was straight out of a horror story. I’m like “don’t do it, don’t do it.” Too late, now you can be shunned by all your “friends” when you wake up and realize you’ve been duped into joining a cult.
It's weird that when I watched this just a few months ago I was still indoctrinated and I thought it was a lovely story. Now I think, "poor Jade, she can't even have blue stripes in her hair anymore".
@@dillpickleprongles4393 As a bi/pan female I do understand. Being conatantly fetishized is gross & exhausting. I also look much younger than I am so I get it from multiple angles. But also, c'mon aren't they super cute together? And don't pretend they aren't attractive. I feel like I would root for any couple despite gender or sexuality- if it was 2 men or an opposite sex couple I'd be all about it. We're allowed to want cute people to get together, even to think it's hot. Doesn't automatically make you a gross prevert who has bad intentions towards all women. Don't get me wrong, those ogres exist and I've met them. But there's nothing wrong with thinking that Jade & Neeta running off into the sunset is lovely....and hot. 🌈💕❤
@@lorianabanana6066 there were moments that were playing which if it weren't directed by the borg would've definitely been part of a enemies-to-lovers storyline lmao, imagine Jade helps Neeta deconstruct the toxic views of relationships that the borg enforces and discovers her repressed sexuality? It's not even that unrealistic cus I've seen it happen to my siblings!
It’s all fun and games at first when you join everyone takes an interest in you wants to know you until you realise your not in with the click you don’t have any friends who aren’t witnesses and you do something wrong and they all discard of you just because you don’t want to go to a Kingdom Hall anymore 🙆🏻♀️ I study my bible my own bible every day and have done now since the end of last year and have learnt a lot and sometimes get messages saying it would be nice for me to come back I don’t really understand why sitting in a Kingdom Hall is what saves you not studying your own bible working on your own relationship with God and working on being a better person isn’t enough
Rachael Rowe Yep... i agree with this totally.. Woe to you if your Not in with one of the Congregations Clicks... lol... Your social life will be garbage...You’ll know your Not in with the click when you see people from your congregation that post a gathering pics and you wasn’t invited...My wife would see sisters post pics of Paint and sip gatherings and other things ... I would see brothers at camping trips and such or hear about it... Potlucks....if they don’t tell you about a Congregation picnic then it’s time to go. I’m like damn did someone disfellowship us and we didn’t know...smh
That is so true! Except I never got love bombed. Maybe because I (F) always wore my stylish trousers and sensible shoes and no makeup. I have been dumped by my Bible study director. Not a peep since June!
It was the same for me. I've always been a spiritual person and they got me young one day doing their door to door ministry. I thought it was a good thing. To be around others who were interested in having deep talks about the Bible. I was young, naïve and depressed, craving community and acceptance. Didn't realize until I became a unbaptized publisher just how cliquey, hypocritical and just plain wrong this org was. None of our conversations were like I thought. Just spouting their dogma to indoctrinate me with their magazines and books. I finally had enough after trying for years to adhere to their beliefs. I didn't agree with them on so many things. I wanted to better myself with higher education and have a REAL relationship with God. I walked out during one of their annual conventions, knowing I was done with them. They still try and reach out to me because I was such a good student in their minds. No thank you. I'm happy to be free to pursue God on my own terms and not theirs.
They're not portraying ALL JW WOMEN like Neeta. She's a single woman. Like, it's clearly a trope? They aren't saying JW's are all like Neeta and all worldly people are like Jade, it's very obviously just the opposites stereotype. It's in like,,, all media ever.
I sure wasn’t. And my mom who’s still in is definitely not a neat freak not even one bit. However when I left and as I got older I became one. So yea this video is ridiculous.
I remember when the WT Society used the illustration of a person warning a neighbor that their house is burning down. They would emphasize that someone in that situation would yell or even go in the house to drag them out. The illustration compares that urgency with today's preaching work. I wonder how standing in front of a cart, waiting for someone to approach you, fits such urgency in said illustration.
@@VROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM - If you are just standing there with a window or door open while playing with your phone instead of urging those inside to save themselves, you contradict yourself when saying that you are acting with the urgency of the situation. Even if you argue that you aren't allowed to do anything else in some places but stay in one spot, how would you justify the many other places you are? J-Dubs are "cart trained" to _not_ speak to anyone, and persons with questions should be directed to jw. org. Where is the urgency in that?
At 1:57. Jade feels the love at Kingdom Hall. This only happens until she is accused of apostasy, convicted, disfellowshipped, and shunned by everyone including her new friend Neeta.
I grew up in Germany and have one sweet memory of being subjected to this method. I knew some JW people were regularly visiting my dear Grandma and leaving brochures with terribly cheesy pictures, so one day I joined to see what was going on. They were German ladies with residence in California. As a teenager I was not really well versed enough to know the main differences between their beliefs and common Christian beliefs, and why they had to have their own bible edition. I asked what they thought about the fact that chimpanzees in the wild showed homosexual behavior as an act of socializing. After getting over the shock to hear that this was actually scientifically studied, they said it could be the sign that the end of days was getting so close now, that even wild animals were now degenerating. I was going to ask if these chimpanzees were now considered sinners but Grandma wanted to know how all dead people would fit on planet earth if they would come back resurrected. The ladies never came back. I miss my Gomama. She was already diagnosed with dementia but was not to be fooled.
Yikes. I just listened to this whole thing at work today. Absolutely HORRIFYING. Tearing people from their friends and families, insisting on their way, manipulating thinking… I knew it was bad, but this is atrocious.
Watching them all strung together like this makes the sexual tension all the more obvious. Of course that isn't part of the story, but I'm betting these two have done a bit of "sinning" together IRL.
OMG! Neat-a acts like Jade's room is the rebuilding of the walls of freakin' Jerusalem! It's a messy bedroom for crying out loud and she needs God's help!? Really!?😂😂😂😂😂
In one minute I can refute your statement that the Bible does not teach everlasting life on Earth. Psalm 37 speaks several times about the righteous possessing the Earth and verse 11 says “The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it”. That is just one example. Do not misrepresent the Bible.
I love how a bunch of in the closet alcoholics have they audacity to say smoking a little weed for stress is "unclean" 🙄. Yet another invasion of personal decisions brought to you by the governing body.
@@rnguy350 Which is completely irrelevant: they have a 1% increase worldwide, which barely accounts for their own kids who get baptized. That means that more people are leaving than they are joining.
@@Ghost_Of_SAS Oh, sorry Mr. JW Expert who looks at the numbers. Most JW's I have known over time were not born into it. If I had to take a guess out of the people I've known to be JW it's maybe 1/10 that were born into it or have been in it since they were under 5. And now that I think about it all the ones born into it are under 25ish years old, so... yeah dude. People be joining.
Cause it's a joke about her character. She's a nerdy type. Ever watch cartoons or kids shows or anything? They always have one person who doesn't know stuff like that bc they're a "bookworm" or something.
Apparently Neeta is so innocent that she is literally unaware that "wicked" can be used in slang to mean something like "cool" or "great", and needs Jaded Jade to explain this to her.
@@Cenindo I remember people having this reaction when wicked started to become mainstream about 20 years ago - all they are doing in this video is highlighting that JW's are incredibly sheltered.
Even that idiosyncratic behaviour isn't consistent as she calls herself a "neat freak" which definitely wouldn't be part of her vocab if she doesn't understand certain other modern slang 🙄
Everyone in the clip are so attractive. It's kind of sad that that's probably one of the main reason they were chosen. I just wanna give them a hug, an understanding nod, and get them the hell out of that cult :(
I love how the worldly girl asked a very good question about if Jehovah protects his people but the question is never answered because she was conveniently late to the meeting. 🤦
A close female relative of mine is a JW, and it has ruined our relationship. She was converted while I was still away at school, and I remember her sending me the Awake magazines and the Your Youth books to try and convince me into joining. I did go to one or two meetings, but that was enough to know I would never go her way. I never did a bible study. But this last 30-odd years, she has never stopped trying to convert me. She'd go a few weeks without mentioning it, then it would be game-on again. Then I got diagnosed with cancer. That was the red flag to the bull for her! She ramped up her efforts to get me to join, before I might die! Well, I'm still here, and my response to her (my only sister, actually) was to block her phone number, and stop her getting in touch at all. She just made me anxious, stressed out, and I couldn't deal with her trying to "save me" and trying to get well and cope with the treatment. In a way, the cancer has empowered me to finally cut her out of my life, once and for all. I am sorry it's turned out this way. However, the JW's are all for shunning people, but I've turned the tables and she is now shunned by me. It's the only way I can live my life with any peace of mind and contentment - without her. Sadly. But, as Lloyd points out, they are not the same person once they get brainwashed into that cult. So really I lost my sister many years ago.
When your relative was sending u magazines, she was trying to save your life. The world is coming to an end, and u see it already. So when the end does come god is not going to except u but say “ I never knew you”. So this was to save your BUTT. UGH
@@gamingwithsydney4474 If being surrounded by JWs forever without end is the fate for those saved, then I'd rather be 'excepted' (meaning, not included), thanks all the same.
Notice when jade and nita are in the coffee shop after. After jade understands nitas point and says "oh I get it" you can hear the cash register *ca-ching!" Heard no where else in that video even with people at the counter . . . That should tell you what they're after with these videos edits: time stamp is 28:00
As a former JW, I had many questions that I was never allowed to ask. If JWs are going to live forever on a paradise earth, what happens when the earth becomes over populated? Does God make everyone infertile? That would mean at some point there would be no children and children are one of the greatest blessings of life. If the earth is going to remain a paradise, are people going to live without all the technology and modern conveniences that we have? I would think for earth to remain a paradise, there would not be all the factories we have now. People would live on their own farms without electricity and modern plumbing etc. I love camping but always happy to get home to enjoy these modern conveniences. There are many more questions that I had, but was never allowed to ask questions because I was born into the cult. The first time I did ask a question was the last. I was made to feel that I was committing a great sin by blasphemy against God. I really enjoy your videos! Thank you Lloyd.
Maybe procreation gets turned off. Maybe we inhabit other planets. Maybe Jehovah increases the size of the Earth. The bible doesn't speak on that topic as far as I know. Hope this helps :) Much love
Don't worry about over population. ...Satan and this New World Government of evil humans (Communism ) with this great Covin19 Plandemic , starvation, the deadly vaccines. ...a great tribulation of genocide, which is just a finally of Adolf Hitler great dream , will leave this earth hardly any humans left.
Two very easy questions that I, as a non-baptized person who associates with JWs can answer. 1. It will be a WHILE before the Earth becomes "full." There's plenty of space on the Earth right now that has yet to be populated, and once Paradise comes, it makes sense that previously uninhabitable places will become habitable over time, since one of the first requirements was to "fill the Earth" and also "expand the Garden." After the tens of thousands of years that will take, I'd assume we'd go into space. That's not like... a belief that goes around to be spread, it just comes up sometimes and we kinda just come to the conclusion "God wouldn't have made space so big if we weren't meant to explore it and stuff." 2. There's nothing inherently wrong with technology. I'm positive that we'll convert to clean energy. Not to mention that when people from long ago get resurrected, they're going to have quite a culture shock, and will probably live as they did during their time. I'm very very sorry that whatever congregation you were in made you feel like you couldn't ask these very easily answered questions. Asking questions and learning the truth on your own and actively doing so is extremely encouraged. We DON'T want people to blindly follow. If you have any other questions, please, ask me! I'd be more than happy to give you answers.
American sales training techniques, same since 1980’s. Same read the Bible verse yourself.....I’m so embarrassed....I was part of this organisation. Long time ago now
I pointed that out to my teacher when I studied and went to meetings.. and for a lady who had an explanation for everything.. one of the only times speechless lol
Depends on the hall. My 3rd hall had many women who genuinely loved and cared for me and men who did some non-theocratic activities with me (console caming, soccer, poker, .. ). Then my 4th hall...whole different story. Much more indoctrinated and strict.
I think back to how I used these techniques...I thought I was truly helping someone but really I was using manipulation and dark psychology. We are taught to prey on those who are weak, stressed, and lonely. Those who aren’t interested because their life is good must have a hard heart, but a tragedy may ‘soften their heart.’ So many stories of how someone ‘came into the Truth’ begin at the pivotal moment of a personal crisis. Truly insidious methods of emotional influence.
Jade and Neeta are unrealistic stereotypes the WT wants their members to believe is an accurate depiction of people in the truth vs people in the world. Neeta is nothing more than the quintessential ideal of JW's. Clean, perfectionist, organized, ignorant to common "worldly" jargon. And Jade, rebellious, disheveled, slang vernacular, sarcastic, and without meaningful goals. This video illustrates just how skewed WTs worldview is. ( For the sake of honesty I have to admit there are more people like Jade generally speaking than there are people like neeta.)
I've noticed that they could be using ASMR techniques. Soft spoken voices, objects put down, paper rattling. I wonder if it is a sneaky hypnosis technique.
Steve Hassan on his website and TH-cam channel goes into the influence continuum, BITE model and more in depth about healthy vs unhealthy influence that explain techniques and make them easier to recognize.
Imagine helping two people become baptized as Jehovah's witnesses and becoming close friends with both of them, just to have both of them shun you as an apostate a year later, and feeling nothing but regret because you were such a good indoctrinator.
"Your lack of understanding science does not disprove it" Someone once said. 25 years ago I had a conversation with an elderly JW woman who was a long time friend of my moms. My mom always told her that I was a huge supporter of evolution and science. Her friend thought she could convince me I was wrong by saying that if you took all the parts of a radio and put them into a big mixing bowl and stirred them around forever, that they would never come together as an assembled radio. I was like * facepalm* yeah. Evolution doesn't really work that way. You can not take a bunch of raw primordial chemicals into a giant ball and keep shaking them up and then suddenly David Hasselhoff or Gwen Stefani would crawl out. In this video I was really looking forward to see what Neeta was going to say as her comeback to Jade's questions about evolution. Instead of trying to disprove it or show her a viable alternative. She just concludes that Jade was more concerned about believing in something that she could not see and totally dodges her questions. We don't even see specifically what Neeta DID do to counter it. If I was a JW pioneer, I would be like HEY! show my which video or scriptures you used? I am sure that issues with evolution vs intelligent design, (or lack of) come up all the time. If I was a JW, I would think that whole chapter was pretty useless. And yes, someone please ship them already!
Opposites attract. The tension between Jade and Neeta...let's just say that the viewer might need a cold shower after watching them interact with each other.
Here is a good question and one I always had...If Adam and Eve were perfect, sinned and eventually died, how was Satan perfect then sinned and has never died for supposedly over 6 million years? Makes one think.
There are thousand questions a JW can't answer because of the false teachings of watchtower company. Your answer is : 1) Adam and Eve were not perfect. In Bible there isn't even a tiny quote in which they mentioned as perfect. 2) The spirit beings as angels and human souls are created immortal by grace. The humans have body and soul. So, sin aparts souls and spirits away from God and brings decay and death to bodies .
@@moonbeamstry5321 1) Because the one who paints them is a painter who lived in the 16th, 17th, etc. century, and not a painter who was there and saw Adam. 2) Because Adam was not the first human being, but the first man to come into communion with God.
exactly ! it’s a closed question - one to be answered with yes or no only. every salesman knows, that in order to discover, what a person thinks you need to ask open ended questions such as ; how, what do you think, describe etc... therefore this question is nothing else than a hook to present the “ unknown truth” 🤥
Damn this hits home. My mother in law always asks me questions like this and I always thought it was a bit of unfair questions, but never really knew why. This is exactly why.
Yes, @50:00 - 51:00 preach it!!.. This requires several 🎤🎤🎤mic drops! This organization is hurtful and ruthless!! The world in general has no idea the trauma this organization puts on its members. They see the witnesses all dressed up on a Saturday morning sharing a message from the bible and using their own time to do so, but underneath it is very sinister. You would never see a witness just go and take a meal to someone, clean their house, or cut their grass, and especially someone who left on their own accord, or became an apostate just for disagreeing with the "Magnificent 8" Governing Body members...oh no!! They'll only do something if they think the person might become a witness one day other than that you're on your own! I see true love outside the organization more so than I did inside!! 💯
i made sure to return to this video to thank you. when i was starting to wake up (during the convention) i came across this video and i watched everything. when it finished, i called my bible student (wich is my school best friend) and told her that i would no longer conduct her bible study. and i also completely stopped preaching by phone calls and letters. this specific video showed me what happened to me my entire life, and what I've been doing to others, and i refuse to continue in this pyramid scheme. thank you so much for all your work, it made my waking up process easier and more clear 💕
Holy mother of pearl, Lloyd! Your videos have become first rate over the last year. So much so that I decided to resubscribe to your channel. Excellent content!
I love these extra videos you're doing this year! 😍 I'm legit 💯 starting to get depressed that it's going to be a whole year more before we get another rebuttal. 🥺😭 At least I have the Broadcasting rebuttals to look forward too. 😃
They didn't like it when I disagreed about what the book said about Blood Transfusions....I kept saying it's not biblical or scriptural and I could sense anger creeping in to their voices. I didn't back down and they didn't like it
@@redsaucetriple9578 Exactly...so it doesn't refer to transfusions, only to blood eaten or drank. The only blood allowed was sacrificial through animals or when Jesus sacrificed himself. So blood transfusions are allowed as it applies to none of those
John Mulhern my love, then you do not understand the scriptures. Transfusion is also drinking the blood of others. It mixes you’re blood dna which is unique with someone else its blood dna which is unique also. I know from our True Prime Creator who created the human with His Holy Spirit it is a SIN against the Holy Spirit. Do you know what this means?
@@redsaucetriple9578 where exactly is the person drinking the blood? It's not going into their mouths so not drinking it. The bible was written by men who didn't have a clue what they were talking about so NOT a sin in ANY way
John Mulhern my love It is you’re own free will what to think and what to believe. Yehovah God spoke to His children of Israel. The bible is not meant for everybody to understand. I know my Father tells me to use my common sense, which I did. Drinking eating infusion transporting others blood into my system is a SIN. That is what I read when given the Holy Spirit. We are in a time the truth is coming to the surface. It is just a matter of time, and humanity will know Who is GOD ALMIGHTY. Is the human god? Can humans be god? Can they play to be god? Can they decide about other lives? To me the answer is simple. Only God decides what is good for us, He loves us, we are His best creation, that is why he gave us the 10 commandments. I obey my God, King and Master? Who do you obey?
"We are all damaged goods." WOW. Not harmful teaching, at all. Uggg. The entire teaching of inherited sin, born dirty, "broken", and the need for a Savior is a horrid and harmful doctrine.
Your work is appreciated and deeply valued. You take the words right out of my mouth, and I’m glad these points are being said and are available for the world. Looking at JW material now in hindsight is just absolutely disgusting. Thank you so much Lloyd.
True, I mean everything about the video was utter propaganda. The idea that every witness lives this hyper-neat, everything's perfect lifestyle and everyone else walks around depressed listening to heavy metal and going to raves. I mean l love heavy metal but I hate raves.
I have never truly been scared of this cult until now, this method is so convincing. “Nita” is so gorgeous and genuine, I would want a friend like that, she’s probably unaware of the fact she’s in a cult herself. How easy it would be to fall for this if one was lonely.
"Did you notice, how ....." yes we did. everybody noticed the incredibly obvious thing. i'm pretty the pet dog noticed what watchtower wanted us to notice. half the shows aimed for toddlers are more subtle, and treat their audience with more respect. maybe i'm going insane, but this whole "did you notice" thing watchtower does in all its propaganda really gets under my skin
Ok, but did you notice how the speaker would repeatedly say would you notice to ensure you notice the thing they wanted you to notice. Wow, what a thought provoking thought in which we all have now thought.
We need to find these actresses and do a fan fiction of Jade and Neeta leaving the organization and falling madly in love. 😂😂😂 The actress who play Neeta needs some love too, she is actually gorgeous and they she plays the " stucked up jw virgin" really greatly. I bet she is really cool and gorgeous in real life and with real attire.
From what I know about JWs, which is not much, I doubt they would actually pay for professional actors. They like free labour. But saying that I think they would make good actors though but their religion would probably prevent them from doing anything that isnt free labour for watchtower
What's so sad and insidious about this is how easily I could see myself in Jade's position, just thinking Neeta was being a good friend to me. Hijacking all the overtures of friendship and kindness for the sake of indoctrination is so cruel. I know myself well enough to understand I wouldn't be so quick to see through the facade, and I'd be utterly heartbroken when I finally did.
Thank you, Lloyd, for yet another excellent product. Your videos are excellent. I’ve been watching them for years, and I always marvel at your fresh perspectives on this cult. Love your work, as always.
I love how at 5:20 they show Jade giving up her seat to an older lady on the subway to show that she is a good worldly person, as opposed to the bad worldly people they were warned about.
So JW women wake up smiling and well rested all the time and worldly women wake disheveled and sleepy? Jades morning routine is a lot more realistic tbh. Hardly anyone wakes up smiling and automatically happy.
All I have to say, thanks to my horrible education and my learning disability. Probably the best way to have me shut down, if not run in terror is to have a complete stranger ask me to read anything out loud.
Yesss. Just go be with your mom and LOVINGLY explain what you want to believe in. And maybe your mom can be converted too. 🤦 you know like what the watchtower says to the married wife to an unbelieving husband... Put up with your life being in danger and go thru the abuse, because you will see it will be worth it in the end ....😣🙄🤔
Lloyd's comments have me cracking up-from the first scene with Jade being a disheveled mess and then, "Yeah, Jade! Get your ass to the kingdom hall. What's the worst that could happen?"
@2:07:34 when I started associating with JWs I saw myself as basically a morally clean person because I was raised by strict Christian parents. However I quickly learnt that once you are from the "world" you are "bad association" in JWs eyes no matter what
I used to be a JW and when I watched this video a lot of the brothers had crushes on them but the tension between jade and neeta was undeniable I just thought “Just kiss already!” This Is my head cannon: they start dating and they tell the elders they want to become disfellowshipped and when they both leave they both get careers and build a family
During my 8 years as a regular pioneer, I heard a good share of failed illustrations:
*Failed Illustration #1:* "If your wooden house was completely eaten by termites. Would you tear down the house or get rid of the termites?" The pioneer wanted to illustrate why Jehovah wouldn't destroy the planet but the wicked people on it. The householder answered, "It would be useless to try to repair a house in the condition you described. I would tear it down and build a new house."
*Failed Illustration #2:* After reading Matthew 13: 47-53, where it mentions that the fisherman would keep the good fish but throw away the bad fish, the pioneer asks the householder which of the two you would want to be? He answered, "I prefer to be one of the bad fish that were thrown back into the sea. They'll eat the good fish that they kept."
That fish metaphor is brilliant in hindsight lmao
Haha that’s gold.
if a wooden house was completely eaten by termites, there'd be no wooden house to tear down. That doesn't even make any sense.
@@johnjamele - I know, right? 🤣
Hahahahaha these are GOLD
"Worldly girls are disheveled headbangers who struggle to stay vertical during the day"
Not gonna lie, that does sound like my type.
Most of my ex girlfriends were like that! I off course was the perfect male counterpart😂😂😂
I hate that I started listening to heavy metal after I told my parents I no longer believed in this crap and then remembering that jws make worldly people look like they listen to that
@@endergamer.mp4 What's wrong with that?
Could any sane man put up with a prudish nauseating prig like Neeta ?! I'd die if I was offered a bowl of symetrical fruit and cereal for breakfast! The clothes selection -like the Mission Impossible man choosing his team for the day, the song in the car !!!!!!! I'd need certifying within a week !! Thank God she's a lesbian !
Did anyone else noticed that, at the beginning of the segment, while Jade was sleeping on the bus, she still had enough morality to give her seat to an elderly person, even though she is corrupt, worldly girl?
Well. . Tbh they probably put that on purpose to show that she already had a “sincere heart.”
I noticed that and was confused by it.
@@ooin_otaku4282 That’s exactly the answer given by members at the meeting
Being "wordly" doesn't mean you're a bad person, it just means you have other views about the world. Or customs along with the world.
"honest hearted" girl. just the right candidate
Looking forward to the day when one of these 'video acting' Jehovah's Witnesses leave the organisation and appear on John Cedar's Channel to discuss their experience as a Witness.
It's just a matter of time.
I would love to see that.
I would love to see this 👍
Agh ..that would be beautiful
I wish they included names of the people they used so we could look them up. I was looking at old young people ask videos trying to see if I could find out anything about those old jw’s
I would love to see that too! I hope they would do research on the organization especially the Australian Royal Commission. Those 3 words can wake up a JW borg!
As a worldly person, I’d like to point out that we don’t organize our cereal into lines at the Table of Demons.™️
That’s very comforting to hear!😅
👏👏👏😂😂😂🌻
Waaay over the top on the breakfast bowl lineup...( first red flag!)
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As Neeta dons her Burberry scarf -( $325 - $375 USD). ( same brand used in previous convention videos!)
Their story actually reminded me of this real life story that happened in my community. This girl would bring along her study to parties and meetings, but then she ended up getting disfellowshipped because they were in a lesbian relationship.
I studied with a girl who was bisexual and was sent all of the articles on homosexuality by the elders and told to never conduct her study alone.
Oh, Jade and Neeta, I hope you two crazy kids run away together and live happily ever after. Neeta, you could help Jade tidy up a bit, and Jade, you could help Neeta stop arranging her fruit in rows like a serial (cereal) killer.
Such a wise comment.
Too sad they will never read this.
Btw how do you even do what Neeta did in her cereal bowl? How do you separate them like that, in vertical layers?
@@carmensavu5122 It's probably why Neeta is so slender. It takes her 3 hours to slice and arrange each meal. She only has time to make and eat 1 or 2 meals a day.
@@carmensavu5122, that's crazy. How dare they even record something so unrealistic. And people watch it, holy shit.
This whole story is really a Watchtower Fantasy. The chances that a conversion like this happens are next to nothing. However, the chances that a young woman like Jade pulls a JW like Neeta out of the organization though....now that happens all the time.
It'd be a good LGBTQ-Romance as many stated.
Ooooh i would love to see a videoseries of that! Of course it would go something like this: jw gives her number to someone she thinks is interested in truth and they start texting about normal everyday things (how terrible) and become friends. Then the worldly person invites the jw to a party where there is alcohol and of course drugs and cigarettes and boys. Then the jw starts slowly living a double life and gets caught because a fellow jw saw a picture of her on ig at a party and she gets disfellowshipped.
Convention video would then ofc show that she becomes sad and begs for forgiveness and happy ending back in organisation whoop yay fun but the real ending would be the now ex jw starting to learn to live a normal free life and maybe have fun sometimes with real friends.
So who wants to make a movie?
@@camppu-8614 This would be quite great if made with an educative mindset. I would fund that.
May be back in 80-90 when there was no internet
There really is no way a cute little rocker chick like Jade would ever be so interested in starting a conversation with a girl at a JW preaching cart. and after the conversation, if it ever took place, Jade would be laughing about it. There is no way Jade would have been that interested in learning about the bible so fast.
I'm just five minutes in and already the supposed contrast between the morning routine of a Witness and a "worldly person" is causing me to facepalm so hard that my head almost fell off. Can I even survive a full two-hour forty-one minutes of self-congratulatory Watchtower stupidity?
It`s interesting that although JWs always portray worldly people as narcissistic, selfish, arrogant, superficial, obnoxious people with complete lack of compassion for anyone but themselves, in this story they admittedly portray the worldly person (Jade) as unorganized etc., but she is also portrayed as a caring and compassionate person (gives her seat away to an elderly woman on the train, is witty, charming). The only reason for that is bc she is a potential JW, and therefore a good person. If she was not interested in the JW religion, she would be portrayed as an evil person.
@@hannewoldeck2123 The jargon for this is "honest-hearted person", which for all intents and purposes means "potential convert." Obviously they can't be portrayed as ALL bad if they are attracted to the Watchtower faith in the first place.
Yes, to them this is an honest-hearted person, but in reality, if you`re attracted to the JW religion, it`s not necessarily bc you`re a good/honest person, but a victim.
It’s just so obvious and ridiculous that this is a recruitment propaganda video!
This love story is more gripping than 1980s Neighbours - move over, Scott and Charlene!
Until Lloyd pointed it out I was afraid it was just me 🤣
@@IzzysTravelDiaries If you do you should share it. What JW gave us was only the first act. The conflict comes when they have to choose between love and their religion
Thankyou Lloyd, your work genuinely makes my deconversion process so much easier. I am speaking with the Truth Project tomorrow; in a large part due to your channel and the encouragement that I’ve got from it.
Well done for stepping forward and speaking to the Truth Project! I'm so glad my videos have been helpful for you! :)
Laura-Jane Cadieux would you be so kind as to letting me know what the Truth Project is? 🤔
Wishing you all the best!
The Truth Project offers survivors of child sexual abuse the chance to share their experiences, it’s part of the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse, which was set up because of serious concerns that some organisations have failed to protect children from sexual abuse.
Emily Flotilla Thankyou, it means more than you know to receive encouragement about this. x
That is so sinister at the end. A 'worldly holiday' just going on holiday with your parents. Absolutely disgusting.
I notice they show a homeless person sleeping by the station, but do not show the witness caring for that person- typical
So close to being self-aware 😔
Oh they would bother with the homeless if they can manipulate them into the corrupt organization they'll go for anybody
@@franktobia4169 That's true. I heard a conversation between a Jehovah's witness and someone who challenged them. Definitely wasn't their first conversation. The JW said that they were afraid to leave the religion because before they joined they were homeless and addicted to drugs and would lose all the support they had in overcoming that if they left.
But either way, it's not charitable if it comes with those kinds of obligations
@@MirandolinaAmaldin Yeah they look for people with misfortunes that's the whole thing, they pretend the to care about your situation but it's really they want you in that awfully organization to get you roped in, they'll even talk to people with tattoos and green hair or something like that they don't like that look but they do what they have to do so pathetic
At 17:12 (I saw that look!) Nita discards her upbringing totally & marries Jade on the beach. All their friends were there, except any JWs who never replied to their invites.
They live on the beach in a cheap beach house funded by Nita's & Jade's new found ability to turn beach combed stuff into jewellery & objet d'art whilst Nita plugs the holes in her education with her path into Uni looking smoother & smoother. Jade finishes her PhD in marine bioluminescence used as markers to help cure Covid19.
They're both happy AF!
THE END!
When Jada's mother wants her over for the holidays she looks like she's having a breaking down on the verge of suicide that's how pathetic and organization makes people feel
I love me some nita and jade fanfiction
I have to wonder, if the two JW actresses involved in filming this ended up getting investigated by real life Elders due to their obvious chemistry. Theres more than acting skills on show, there.....
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Ho ho
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Honestly I was expecting them to start making out at any moment
They should just kiss already- the tension is SERIOUS.
I agree!
I didn’t get that impression.
"Let's start with the bed, then go from there."
I ship them.
I believe I know who's the top.
If Jade had a prescription for Xanax, a highly addictive drug, it would be okay with Joe Hova since it is medical. So if she lived in a place where medical marijuana was legal, Joe would have to be okay with it, because "it's medical". I should open medical marijuana dispensaries next to Kingdom Halls. It should make meetings more tolerable.
Michael Ervolina From what ive heard it’s the actual act of smoking they frown upon. But edibles for example, or if it was prescribed by a doctor, it’s more of a don’t ask don’t tell.
When I was growing up a jw a sister in the hall was prescribed weed because she had cancer and the elders were ok with it mainly because the coordinator was pretty open-minded. I don't know how that goes elsewhere. It was for her to handle the pain. I'm sure other places can be strict and not allow people to use it. I know it's now frowned upon where I live now because recreational marijuana has become legal. Weird because they're ok with alcohol.
Hell yeah,but good luck with that hsppening.!!!
@@thedailyhawker8726 most drunks are.really livid against even medical weed,such hypocracy 😬🙄
I thought someone would correct you but no. It’s Jehovah not Joe Hova.
I don’t know if your making a joke or what but in case your not, there you go.
I would pledge my entire student loan to fund a series about Neeta and Jade's epic love story and subsequent thrilling escape from the cult. Rally the lesbians, we can make this happen.
Yea very good idea to have a series based on them but not put out by the Jehovah Witnesses
Lol
Put Stephen Lett in a bondage mask and have him riding a chopper
Gee yes! SAME!
Nita has a very nice apt, wardrobe and car considering she spends her days volunteering. Who paid for that electric toothbrush???
Thought the same thing high end apartment too
...and a newish Fiat 500! ;)
She's probably supported in the 'pioneer work' by her parents
She's probably supported in the 'pioneer work' by her parents
Jehovah provided! 😆
I am currently being pressured to join this organization and am in a Bible study and this video is spot on about the steps the teacher takes, I did genuinely think that she cared about me but I know it’s not true or maybe it is but she’d always choose the organization first. I want to quit the study because I know too much and I cannot be a part of this.
Did you quit??
Yes I quit and the girl was surprisingly nice about it. I texted her all my reasons and she just said if I ever had any questions she’d be glad to answer them for me.
@@rebekapina1947 They are nice just like they were and still are to me because you were not a full fledged member. You are considered an interested one and while they won't contact you often or hang out with you anymore, they will still check in from time to time on you. This is because they still see you as a potential recruit. Its once you get BAPTIZED as a JW that everything changes.
@@rebekapina1947 hope you're living your best life, for real ✨ 🖤
I'm sorry, but I can't stop laughing at that picture of Tony "tight pants" Morris sitting on your desk 🤣🤣
I know right!? That bottle king is only 15 mins from my home!🥃
@@maryannlockwood7806 I had to pause the video because I was laughing so hard 🤣🤣🤣
@@maryannlockwood7806 any way to bribe the local liquor store employees into filming Tony when he shows up?
@@m.miller3903 TTP in a 'flasher mac' 🙈🙈🙈
Can we talk about that the "sister" who performed Jade is such a good actress?
It can't be a sister they don't know how to act 😂 i think it's paid professional actors
It is a JW acting the part of Jade, and I agree the acting itself was superb for both Jade and Neeta's characters.
I know “Jade” and her family, they’re all very much white picket fence witnesses, albeit a lovely family.
They send them to acting school
@@brucerobertson2466Yes, to the William Shatner School of Acting
NO prof has EVER said to me, "It's do or die time." They rarely remind us of exams
Well depends on the course your enrolled in and the personality trait of the professors.
“As we listen and observe...” these words really irk me. They can’t help but dictate behaviour at every opportunity.
Its a true lesbian love story, im sure they run away together in the after credits....lol
Bro I thought the same thing the first time I saw this
Jade is in violation of JW DRESS CODE showing up in PANTS,
That's all I could think while watching this
This is how you see the two then your thinking has a defect.
Far as the clothes and JW standards she's not converted yet.
I thought the exact same thing!!
Since these are fictional characters, there's nothing stopping anybody from writing a fanfiction based on the video, I'm just going to say that
That baptism scene was straight out of a horror story. I’m like “don’t do it, don’t do it.” Too late, now you can be shunned by all your “friends” when you wake up and realize you’ve been duped into joining a cult.
Agreed- I was like “You’re in danger, girl”
@@kevinlevick8205 😭
It's weird that when I watched this just a few months ago I was still indoctrinated and I thought it was a lovely story. Now I think, "poor Jade, she can't even have blue stripes in her hair anymore".
Are they trying to soften their stance on LGBTQ people? These 2 seem a bit flirty.
They all seem that way in the organization especially the Governors lol
Its trending. Of course they are if they plan to exist in the future.
These two are the real cause of pillowgate.
Right?! That was my first thought.
May I suggest a spin-off entitled How to Turn a JW, in which Jade helps Neeta to see that she is in love with her?
I cant wait for the sequel, when they finally confess their feelings for one another.
And, their homemade video ends up on the "Hub" 😏 😂
@@MrJamiez christ can people go a second without fetishising all lesbian relationships
@@dillpickleprongles4393 As a bi/pan female I do understand. Being conatantly fetishized is gross & exhausting. I also look much younger than I am so I get it from multiple angles.
But also, c'mon aren't they super cute together? And don't pretend they aren't attractive. I feel like I would root for any couple despite gender or sexuality- if it was 2 men or an opposite sex couple I'd be all about it. We're allowed to want cute people to get together, even to think it's hot. Doesn't automatically make you a gross prevert who has bad intentions towards all women. Don't get me wrong, those ogres exist and I've met them. But there's nothing wrong with thinking that Jade & Neeta running off into the sunset is lovely....and hot. 🌈💕❤
@@lorianabanana6066 there were moments that were playing which if it weren't directed by the borg would've definitely been part of a enemies-to-lovers storyline lmao, imagine Jade helps Neeta deconstruct the toxic views of relationships that the borg enforces and discovers her repressed sexuality? It's not even that unrealistic cus I've seen it happen to my siblings!
Yes, ship Jade and Neeta. Much better ending
It’s all fun and games at first when you join everyone takes an interest in you wants to know you until you realise your not in with the click you don’t have any friends who aren’t witnesses and you do something wrong and they all discard of you just because you don’t want to go to a Kingdom Hall anymore 🙆🏻♀️ I study my bible my own bible every day and have done now since the end of last year and have learnt a lot and sometimes get messages saying it would be nice for me to come back I don’t really understand why sitting in a Kingdom Hall is what saves you not studying your own bible working on your own relationship with God and working on being a better person isn’t enough
Rachael Rowe Yep... i agree with this totally.. Woe to you if your Not in with one of the Congregations Clicks... lol... Your social life will be garbage...You’ll know your Not in with the click when you see people from your congregation that post a gathering pics and you wasn’t invited...My wife would see sisters post pics of Paint and sip gatherings and other things ... I would see brothers at camping trips and such or hear about it... Potlucks....if they don’t tell you about a Congregation picnic then it’s time to go. I’m like damn did someone disfellowship us and we didn’t know...smh
Ranetta Maxwell thats awful 😟 this is why I don’t like religion they make their own rules up and try to get away with things it’s disgraceful
That is so true! Except I never got love bombed. Maybe because I (F) always wore my stylish trousers and sensible shoes and no makeup.
I have been dumped by my Bible study director. Not a peep since June!
TheVipir wow really why was you dumped what happened
It was the same for me. I've always been a spiritual person and they got me young one day doing their door to door ministry. I thought it was a good thing. To be around others who were interested in having deep talks about the Bible. I was young, naïve and depressed, craving community and acceptance. Didn't realize until I became a unbaptized publisher just how cliquey, hypocritical and just plain wrong this org was. None of our conversations were like I thought. Just spouting their dogma to indoctrinate me with their magazines and books. I finally had enough after trying for years to adhere to their beliefs. I didn't agree with them on so many things. I wanted to better myself with higher education and have a REAL relationship with God. I walked out during one of their annual conventions, knowing I was done with them. They still try and reach out to me because I was such a good student in their minds. No thank you. I'm happy to be free to pursue God on my own terms and not theirs.
Greetings on a rainy Caribbean Monday morning Lloyd! As soon as I opened my eyes this video popped up. I clicked immediately
I love how they portray all JW women to be these perfect little neat freaks
Yup and they end up being self righteous shallow and among other things...👇
They're not portraying ALL JW WOMEN like Neeta. She's a single woman. Like, it's clearly a trope? They aren't saying JW's are all like Neeta and all worldly people are like Jade, it's very obviously just the opposites stereotype. It's in like,,, all media ever.
@@Star_Rattler I like Jade
I sure wasn’t. And my mom who’s still in is definitely not a neat freak not even one bit. However when I left and as I got older I became one. So yea this video is ridiculous.
JW,s hate women.look it up
I remember when the WT Society used the illustration of a person warning a neighbor that their house is burning down. They would emphasize that someone in that situation would yell or even go in the house to drag them out. The illustration compares that urgency with today's preaching work. I wonder how standing in front of a cart, waiting for someone to approach you, fits such urgency in said illustration.
@@VROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM - If you are just standing there with a window or door open while playing with your phone instead of urging those inside to save themselves, you contradict yourself when saying that you are acting with the urgency of the situation.
Even if you argue that you aren't allowed to do anything else in some places but stay in one spot, how would you justify the many other places you are? J-Dubs are "cart trained" to _not_ speak to anyone, and persons with questions should be directed to jw. org. Where is the urgency in that?
At 1:57. Jade feels the love at Kingdom Hall. This only happens until she is accused of apostasy, convicted, disfellowshipped, and shunned by everyone including her new friend Neeta.
I grew up in Germany and have one sweet memory of being subjected to this method. I knew some JW people were regularly visiting my dear Grandma and leaving brochures with terribly cheesy pictures, so one day I joined to see what was going on. They were German ladies with residence in California. As a teenager I was not really well versed enough to know the main differences between their beliefs and common Christian beliefs, and why they had to have their own bible edition. I asked what they thought about the fact that chimpanzees in the wild showed homosexual behavior as an act of socializing. After getting over the shock to hear that this was actually scientifically studied, they said it could be the sign that the end of days was getting so close now, that even wild animals were now degenerating. I was going to ask if these chimpanzees were now considered sinners but Grandma wanted to know how all dead people would fit on planet earth if they would come back resurrected. The ladies never came back. I miss my Gomama. She was already diagnosed with dementia but was not to be fooled.
Yikes.
I just listened to this whole thing at work today.
Absolutely HORRIFYING. Tearing people from their friends and families, insisting on their way, manipulating thinking…
I knew it was bad, but this is atrocious.
Watching them all strung together like this makes the sexual tension all the more obvious. Of course that isn't part of the story, but I'm betting these two have done a bit of "sinning" together IRL.
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OMG! Neat-a acts like Jade's room is the rebuilding of the walls of freakin' Jerusalem! It's a messy bedroom for crying out loud and she needs God's help!? Really!?😂😂😂😂😂
Ikr, her face was like she walked into a hoarding situation
lol
"Learn Bible truths"
And no Bible's on the cart
They can get you one as soon as you agree to the study
Hahahah
All u gotta do is ask, fam.
radiomanze1 there ARE bibles on the cart. They are black. With gold lettering.
In one minute I can refute your statement that the Bible does not teach everlasting life on Earth. Psalm 37 speaks several times about the righteous possessing the Earth and verse 11 says “The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it”. That is just one example. Do not misrepresent the Bible.
"Do not shame your students. Wait until they are baptized to do so."
...in an alternative universe they're married. i want to think that is true.
Exactly ♥️♥️♥️knew i wasint the only one
The most realistic interpretation I came up with was everything past Jade not returning calls and being hard to contact was just Neeta's fantasy
Give it a few years, could be this universe lol
@@crystalclockworks9163 i'm the captain of the "please let this ship sail" ship (and the ship is named neeta x jade otp, yes i'm that kind of person)
Glad u said it, I felt they had chemistry but thought I was being silly.
I love how a bunch of in the closet alcoholics have they audacity to say smoking a little weed for stress is "unclean" 🙄. Yet another invasion of personal decisions brought to you by the governing body.
Jade + Neeta 4 eva!
Sure would be a good looking couple! haha
Oh Lawd help me ..
The JW love story we didn't know we needed!
I wanted to like this post but I want to leave the likes at 69 😂
@NonCoinCollector OH, we need that movie now!
I think there's some chemistry between them. I don't usually recognise stuff like that, but Jade and Nita stand out.
A lot of really intense eye contact, idk how it looks to a JW but to me it looks insanely flirty. Kind of distracts from the message LMAO
@@myxini I’m a JW(PIMO) and I saw it lmaoo
“Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.”....George Orwell, 1984.
How to try to turn someone in a JW in 14 steps... and fail spectacularly since nobody is joining.
There are more JW than ever before
@@rnguy350 Which is completely irrelevant: they have a 1% increase worldwide, which barely accounts for their own kids who get baptized. That means that more people are leaving than they are joining.
@@Ghost_Of_SAS irrelevant or not, just thought you should know there are more than ever 🤣
@@rnguy350 Which is still irrelevant because they are not people who are joining: they're people born into it.
@@Ghost_Of_SAS Oh, sorry Mr. JW Expert who looks at the numbers. Most JW's I have known over time were not born into it. If I had to take a guess out of the people I've known to be JW it's maybe 1/10 that were born into it or have been in it since they were under 5. And now that I think about it all the ones born into it are under 25ish years old, so... yeah dude. People be joining.
Why is she acting like she doesn’t speak English she has no concept of normal terms used in today’s society?
That was for real one of the cringest parts of the whole thing
Cause it's a joke about her character. She's a nerdy type. Ever watch cartoons or kids shows or anything? They always have one person who doesn't know stuff like that bc they're a "bookworm" or something.
Apparently Neeta is so innocent that she is literally unaware that "wicked" can be used in slang to mean something like "cool" or "great", and needs Jaded Jade to explain this to her.
@@Cenindo I remember people having this reaction when wicked started to become mainstream about 20 years ago - all they are doing in this video is highlighting that JW's are incredibly sheltered.
Even that idiosyncratic behaviour isn't consistent as she calls herself a "neat freak" which definitely wouldn't be part of her vocab if she doesn't understand certain other modern slang 🙄
@7:37 that look Neeta gave Jade.. you can't tell me that Neeta didn't fall for Jade at that moment
Everyone in the clip are so attractive. It's kind of sad that that's probably one of the main reason they were chosen.
I just wanna give them a hug, an understanding nod, and get them the hell out of that cult :(
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I love how the worldly girl asked a very good question about if Jehovah protects his people but the question is never answered because she was conveniently late to the meeting. 🤦
A close female relative of mine is a JW, and it has ruined our relationship. She was converted while I was still away at school, and I remember her sending me the Awake magazines and the Your Youth books to try and convince me into joining. I did go to one or two meetings, but that was enough to know I would never go her way. I never did a bible study. But this last 30-odd years, she has never stopped trying to convert me. She'd go a few weeks without mentioning it, then it would be game-on again. Then I got diagnosed with cancer. That was the red flag to the bull for her! She ramped up her efforts to get me to join, before I might die! Well, I'm still here, and my response to her (my only sister, actually) was to block her phone number, and stop her getting in touch at all. She just made me anxious, stressed out, and I couldn't deal with her trying to "save me" and trying to get well and cope with the treatment. In a way, the cancer has empowered me to finally cut her out of my life, once and for all. I am sorry it's turned out this way. However, the JW's are all for shunning people, but I've turned the tables and she is now shunned by me. It's the only way I can live my life with any peace of mind and contentment - without her. Sadly. But, as Lloyd points out, they are not the same person once they get brainwashed into that cult. So really I lost my sister many years ago.
I would love to speak with you I'm in the same disposition only it's multiple siblings I have to divorce.
When your relative was sending u magazines, she was trying to save your life. The world is coming to an end, and u see it already. So when the end does come god is not going to except u but say “ I never knew you”. So this was to save your BUTT. UGH
@@gamingwithsydney4474 If being surrounded by JWs forever without end is the fate for those saved, then I'd rather be 'excepted' (meaning, not included), thanks all the same.
Notice when jade and nita are in the coffee shop after. After jade understands nitas point and says "oh I get it" you can hear the cash register *ca-ching!" Heard no where else in that video even with people at the counter . . . That should tell you what they're after with these videos edits: time stamp is 28:00
Do you have a time stamp?
@@robertlutz5757 28:00
@@satanicpanic9855 thank you
@@robertlutz5757 my pleasure 😊
Exactly! I totally caught that the first time i watched the convention..thru cedars channel of course... Lol thank god for that...
Lloyd, this a stunning piece of work. So powerful because it is through their own words they condemn themselves.
As a former JW, I had many questions that I was never allowed to ask.
If JWs are going to live forever on a paradise earth, what happens when the earth becomes over populated? Does God make everyone infertile? That would mean at some point there would be no children and children are one of the greatest blessings of life.
If the earth is going to remain a paradise, are people going to live without all the technology and modern conveniences that we have? I would think for earth to remain a paradise, there would not be all the factories we have now. People would live on their own farms without electricity and modern plumbing etc. I love camping but always happy to get home to enjoy these modern conveniences.
There are many more questions that I had, but was never allowed to ask questions because I was born into the cult. The first time I did ask a question was the last. I was made to feel that I was committing a great sin by blasphemy against God.
I really enjoy your videos! Thank you Lloyd.
Maybe procreation gets turned off. Maybe we inhabit other planets. Maybe Jehovah increases the size of the Earth. The bible doesn't speak on that topic as far as I know. Hope this helps :) Much love
Don't worry about over population. ...Satan and this New World Government of evil humans (Communism ) with this great Covin19 Plandemic , starvation, the deadly vaccines. ...a great tribulation of genocide, which is just a finally of Adolf Hitler great dream , will leave this earth hardly any humans left.
Two very easy questions that I, as a non-baptized person who associates with JWs can answer.
1. It will be a WHILE before the Earth becomes "full." There's plenty of space on the Earth right now that has yet to be populated, and once Paradise comes, it makes sense that previously uninhabitable places will become habitable over time, since one of the first requirements was to "fill the Earth" and also "expand the Garden."
After the tens of thousands of years that will take, I'd assume we'd go into space. That's not like... a belief that goes around to be spread, it just comes up sometimes and we kinda just come to the conclusion "God wouldn't have made space so big if we weren't meant to explore it and stuff."
2. There's nothing inherently wrong with technology. I'm positive that we'll convert to clean energy. Not to mention that when people from long ago get resurrected, they're going to have quite a culture shock, and will probably live as they did during their time.
I'm very very sorry that whatever congregation you were in made you feel like you couldn't ask these very easily answered questions. Asking questions and learning the truth on your own and actively doing so is extremely encouraged. We DON'T want people to blindly follow. If you have any other questions, please, ask me! I'd be more than happy to give you answers.
I had the exact same question and my mom said Jehovah will figure it out 🤨 duh but still what’s the plan?
This entire convention reminded me of the intense sales training I received this year at my job. Even how dreadfully boring it was.
American sales training techniques, same since 1980’s. Same read the Bible verse yourself.....I’m so embarrassed....I was part of this organisation. Long time ago now
For such a homophobic group they sure did make a cute and compelling lesbian couple. I ship Neeta💖Jade
I just realized I'm jade and my hubby is neeta.
I'm sure they'll have an amazing relationship once they dump the cult.
Every one at the Kh do not love one another they actually talk about each other bad
I pointed that out to my teacher when I studied and went to meetings.. and for a lady who had an explanation for everything.. one of the only times speechless lol
Depends on the hall. My 3rd hall had many women who genuinely loved and cared for me and men who did some non-theocratic activities with me (console caming, soccer, poker, ..
). Then my 4th hall...whole different story. Much more indoctrinated and strict.
I think back to how I used these techniques...I thought I was truly helping someone but really I was using manipulation and dark psychology. We are taught to prey on those who are weak, stressed, and lonely. Those who aren’t interested because their life is good must have a hard heart, but a tragedy may ‘soften their heart.’ So many stories of how someone ‘came into the Truth’ begin at the pivotal moment of a personal crisis.
Truly insidious methods of emotional influence.
Jade and Neeta are unrealistic stereotypes the WT wants their members to believe is an accurate depiction of people in the truth vs people in the world. Neeta is nothing more than the quintessential ideal of JW's. Clean, perfectionist, organized, ignorant to common "worldly" jargon.
And Jade, rebellious, disheveled, slang vernacular, sarcastic, and without meaningful goals.
This video illustrates just how skewed WTs worldview is.
( For the sake of honesty I have to admit there are more people like Jade generally speaking than there are people like neeta.)
I've noticed that they could be using ASMR techniques. Soft spoken voices, objects put down, paper rattling. I wonder if it is a sneaky hypnosis technique.
Steve Hassan on his website and TH-cam channel goes into the influence continuum, BITE model and more in depth about healthy vs unhealthy influence that explain techniques and make them easier to recognize.
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for real i love watching these videos (like this one, POMO reacting to propaganda) to sleep, JW are so good at talking softly to endoctrinate
Nita and Jade bonus material!
A blessing, a blessing from the Lloyd!!!
Anyone noticed how meet up to meet up , study to study “Jade’s” hair looks less & less unkempt ? . 😂
when you're in love you try to look your best
It took me years to realize that I was manipulating people
Imagine helping two people become baptized as Jehovah's witnesses and becoming close friends with both of them, just to have both of them shun you as an apostate a year later, and feeling nothing but regret because you were such a good indoctrinator.
I have never clicked so quickly on one of your videos. I need to see a love story on a Monday morning 🌈🌈🌈🌈
"Your lack of understanding science does not disprove it" Someone once said. 25 years ago I had a conversation with an elderly JW woman who was a long time friend of my moms. My mom always told her that I was a huge supporter of evolution and science. Her friend thought she could convince me I was wrong by saying that if you took all the parts of a radio and put them into a big mixing bowl and stirred them around forever, that they would never come together as an assembled radio. I was like * facepalm* yeah. Evolution doesn't really work that way. You can not take a bunch of raw primordial chemicals into a giant ball and keep shaking them up and then suddenly David Hasselhoff or Gwen Stefani would crawl out.
In this video I was really looking forward to see what Neeta was going to say as her comeback to Jade's questions about evolution. Instead of trying to disprove it or show her a viable alternative. She just concludes that Jade was more concerned about believing in something that she could not see and totally dodges her questions. We don't even see specifically what Neeta DID do to counter it. If I was a JW pioneer, I would be like HEY! show my which video or scriptures you used? I am sure that issues with evolution vs intelligent design, (or lack of) come up all the time. If I was a JW, I would think that whole chapter was pretty useless.
And yes, someone please ship them already!
Opposites attract. The tension between Jade and Neeta...let's just say that the viewer might need a cold shower after watching them interact with each other.
Here is a good question and one I always had...If Adam and Eve were perfect, sinned and eventually died, how was Satan perfect then sinned and has never died for supposedly over 6 million years? Makes one think.
He was an angel and turned into a demon. No record of angels ever dying, just leaving Heaven and becoming a demon.
There are thousand questions a JW can't answer because of the false teachings of watchtower company.
Your answer is : 1) Adam and Eve were not perfect. In Bible there isn't even a tiny quote in which they mentioned as perfect.
2) The spirit beings as angels and human souls are created immortal by grace. The humans have body and soul. So, sin aparts souls and spirits away from God and brings decay and death to bodies .
And why are Adam and Eve always drawn with bellybuttons in illustrations?
@@moonbeamstry5321
1) Because the one who paints them is a painter who lived in the 16th, 17th, etc. century, and not a painter who was there and saw Adam.
2) Because Adam was not the first human being, but the first man to come into communion with God.
Οριζόντιος Κατακόρυφος that’s interesting. I never considered that.
This cult almost took everything from me
It's a shame what they do
Well done for surviving and not letting them steal any more of your life and your happiness
So glad you got out in time,did you do so???🤔
Life is to Precious and Short to have a Religious Fundamentalist Cult to steal your Time and Energy! You Only live Once!
Did you know...? Is a rhetorical question, a way of telling a fact not asking about the other person’s view.
exactly ! it’s a closed question - one to be answered with yes or no only. every salesman knows, that in order to discover, what a person thinks you need to ask open ended questions such as ; how, what do you think, describe etc...
therefore this question is nothing else than a hook to present the “ unknown truth” 🤥
Damn this hits home. My mother in law always asks me questions like this and I always thought it was a bit of unfair questions, but never really knew why. This is exactly why.
If you take out the religion part, I would say this is pretty typical for the beginnings of a lesbian romance.
Yes, @50:00 - 51:00 preach it!!.. This requires several 🎤🎤🎤mic drops!
This organization is hurtful and ruthless!!
The world in general has no idea the trauma this organization puts on its members. They see the witnesses all dressed up on a Saturday morning sharing a message from the bible and using their own time to do so, but underneath it is very sinister.
You would never see a witness just go and take a meal to someone, clean their house, or cut their grass, and especially someone who left on their own accord, or became an apostate just for disagreeing with the "Magnificent 8" Governing Body members...oh no!!
They'll only do something if they think the person might become a witness one day other than that you're on your own!
I see true love outside the organization more so than I did inside!! 💯
The bottom bit I agree
10000% truth
i made sure to return to this video to thank you. when i was starting to wake up (during the convention) i came across this video and i watched everything. when it finished, i called my bible student (wich is my school best friend) and told her that i would no longer conduct her bible study. and i also completely stopped preaching by phone calls and letters. this specific video showed me what happened to me my entire life, and what I've been doing to others, and i refuse to continue in this pyramid scheme. thank you so much for all your work, it made my waking up process easier and more clear 💕
Holy mother of pearl, Lloyd! Your videos have become first rate over the last year. So much so that I decided to resubscribe to your channel. Excellent content!
I really like the subtle use of music to convey personality.
I love these extra videos you're doing this year! 😍
I'm legit 💯 starting to get depressed that it's going to be a whole year more before we get another rebuttal. 🥺😭
At least I have the Broadcasting rebuttals to look forward too. 😃
& the annual mtg & assemblies should be coming up soon, so yay!!
@@stacyvibez Good point! 🤗
They didn't like it when I disagreed about what the book said about Blood Transfusions....I kept saying it's not biblical or scriptural and I could sense anger creeping in to their voices. I didn't back down and they didn't like it
It is written in the OT many times. Do not eat or drink the blood of animals or other living creations. Lev 17:14.
@@redsaucetriple9578 Exactly...so it doesn't refer to transfusions, only to blood eaten or drank. The only blood allowed was sacrificial through animals or when Jesus sacrificed himself. So blood transfusions are allowed as it applies to none of those
John Mulhern my love, then you do not understand the scriptures. Transfusion is also drinking the blood of others. It mixes you’re blood dna which is unique with someone else its blood dna which is unique also. I know from our True Prime Creator who created the human with His Holy Spirit it is a SIN against the Holy Spirit. Do you know what this means?
@@redsaucetriple9578 where exactly is the person drinking the blood? It's not going into their mouths so not drinking it. The bible was written by men who didn't have a clue what they were talking about so NOT a sin in ANY way
John Mulhern my love It is you’re own free will what to think and what to believe. Yehovah God spoke to His children of Israel. The bible is not meant for everybody to understand. I know my Father tells me to use my common sense, which I did. Drinking eating infusion transporting others blood into my system is a SIN. That is what I read when given the Holy Spirit.
We are in a time the truth is coming to the surface. It is just a matter of time, and humanity will know Who is GOD ALMIGHTY. Is the human god? Can humans be god? Can they play to be god? Can they decide about other lives? To me the answer is simple.
Only God decides what is good for us, He loves us, we are His best creation, that is why he gave us the 10 commandments. I obey my God, King and Master? Who do you obey?
They would look so cute together as a couple. I'd love to see Jade helping Neeta to loosen up and bring some spark on her life ;)
Yeah, the two seem to fit quite perfect.
"We are all damaged goods." WOW. Not harmful teaching, at all. Uggg. The entire teaching of inherited sin, born dirty, "broken", and the need for a Savior is a horrid and harmful doctrine.
Ummm no its true
I heard another xjw say it's like we're born in the negative and have to work our way up to zero!🌻
@@liplockednomore that's the traditional Judeo Christian doctrine
@@liplockednomore dear me! How dreadful to look upon one's precious newborn and see them as born a Negative who needs to earn the right to be a Zero!
@@brucerobertson2466 what is true?
Your work is appreciated and deeply valued. You take the words right out of my mouth, and I’m glad these points are being said and are available for the world. Looking at JW material now in hindsight is just absolutely disgusting. Thank you so much Lloyd.
These characters names are fucking lazy. "Neeta, the neat freak, and Jade the Jaded worldly person." Can the society at least try a little?
Next time, we get Manny, the manipulating witness and Susi, the suicidal one because she had slept with worldly man.
True, I mean everything about the video was utter propaganda. The idea that every witness lives this hyper-neat, everything's perfect lifestyle and everyone else walks around depressed listening to heavy metal and going to raves. I mean l love heavy metal but I hate raves.
I have never truly been scared of this cult until now, this method is so convincing. “Nita” is so gorgeous and genuine, I would want a friend like that, she’s probably unaware of the fact she’s in a cult herself. How easy it would be to fall for this if one was lonely.
"Did you notice, how ....." yes we did. everybody noticed the incredibly obvious thing. i'm pretty the pet dog noticed what watchtower wanted us to notice.
half the shows aimed for toddlers are more subtle, and treat their audience with more respect. maybe i'm going insane, but this whole "did you notice" thing watchtower does in all its propaganda really gets under my skin
Ok, but did you notice how the speaker would repeatedly say would you notice to ensure you notice the thing they wanted you to notice. Wow, what a thought provoking thought in which we all have now thought.
When I was forced to watch this with my family literally the only thing I could think of is that these two were a total lesbian couple
yep, same here
I rlly wanted to see them kiss man ://
Lmaoo same
Good job Lloyd, great video 👍
Janita ftw 🤙
We need to find these actresses and do a fan fiction of Jade and Neeta leaving the organization and falling madly in love. 😂😂😂
The actress who play Neeta needs some love too, she is actually gorgeous and they she plays the " stucked up jw virgin" really greatly. I bet she is really cool and gorgeous in real life and with real attire.
They surely are real life JWs, so that is unlikely to happen....
From what I know about JWs, which is not much, I doubt they would actually pay for professional actors. They like free labour.
But saying that I think they would make good actors though but their religion would probably prevent them from doing anything that isnt free labour for watchtower
Hello all the actors in these videos are free labor from Bethel :)
What's so sad and insidious about this is how easily I could see myself in Jade's position, just thinking Neeta was being a good friend to me. Hijacking all the overtures of friendship and kindness for the sake of indoctrination is so cruel. I know myself well enough to understand I wouldn't be so quick to see through the facade, and I'd be utterly heartbroken when I finally did.
Thank you, Lloyd, for yet another excellent product. Your videos are excellent. I’ve been watching them for years, and I always marvel at your fresh perspectives on this cult. Love your work, as always.
Glad you like them!
Unironically one of the best LGBTQ movies of 2020... Their love story is inspired
I love how at 5:20 they show Jade giving up her seat to an older lady on the subway to show that she is a good worldly person, as opposed to the bad worldly people they were warned about.
So JW women wake up smiling and well rested all the time and worldly women wake disheveled and sleepy? Jades morning routine is a lot more realistic tbh. Hardly anyone wakes up smiling and automatically happy.
I’m grumpy as heck in the morning, no different to when I was a JW or not. :-D
Really?
All I have to say, thanks to my horrible education and my learning disability. Probably the best way to have me shut down, if not run in terror is to have a complete stranger ask me to read anything out loud.
She’s just a girl...standing in front of another girl...asking her to love her...regardless of her cereal habits
When Jade was having that dilemma about her family I would have thought she would have remembered the commandment to honour her mother and father.
Yesss. Just go be with your mom and LOVINGLY explain what you want to believe in. And maybe your mom can be converted too. 🤦 you know like what the watchtower says to the married wife to an unbelieving husband... Put up with your life being in danger and go thru the abuse, because you will see it will be worth it in the end ....😣🙄🤔
Lloyd's comments have me cracking up-from the first scene with Jade being a disheveled mess and then, "Yeah, Jade! Get your ass to the kingdom hall. What's the worst that could happen?"
>>Let's try to find the bed - we'll work from there.
Mirandol and to think I thought I was cool by being a Mulder and Scully shipper! (Xfiles fan ) You have me beat!
@@theresaakins2317 Well, JW propaganda videos do have a rather niche audience. ^_^
Nothing against your ship though.
I too want to believe
Awesome video thank you Lloyd
@2:07:34 when I started associating with JWs I saw myself as basically a morally clean person because I was raised by strict Christian parents. However I quickly learnt that once you are from the "world" you are "bad association" in JWs eyes no matter what
What i get from this is a vulnerable person being manipulated
I used to be a JW and when I watched this video a lot of the brothers had crushes on them but the tension between jade and neeta was undeniable I just thought “Just kiss already!”
This Is my head cannon: they start dating and they tell the elders they want to become disfellowshipped and when they both leave they both get careers and build a family