Americans Reacts To - American Tourist Thinks He Can School British Police
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- In this video we check out an American tourist trying to "educate" the British police. This was a very irritating video and embarrassing as an American to watch.
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The interesting thing about this video I've noticed, is the American kept talking over the female officers and not the male one
Bet he is a Andrew Tate fanboy
Yeah I know the guy he does have an Andrew Tate body pillow, he also owns body pillow for Epstein and Prince Andrew. @@jokerdanny9255
Good spot. Ignorant, arrogant and a misogynist eh?
They talk over everyone, including each other
They do talk over the female officers and do indeed back off when a male officer speaks. This happens a lot. The female officers did a good job of staying calm and interacting with the crime scene. The whole idea of a Police Force is that they work together. If it takes a man to tell them the law then that works in this situation...They were both cowards and had the combined IQ of a crayon.
As I understand it they both got arrested in the end and were held in custody for 24 hours before being released without charge. A bit of karma
I understand it was an assault on a female, whatever that means. Most likely it ended up a case of he says she says so released as no prospect of conviction.
@@johnclements6614 I don’t care, I just wish this guy with the phone was locked up for a month b
The Black guy allegedly headbutted a woman by the toilets in a hotel bar.
Obstructing the police sounds good ...
@@johnclements6614 or may be they had nothing to do with the assault
I'm a UK officer. Stuff like this happens literally all the time. I once had someone tell me that I HAD to arrest someone because he "told me to". When I didn't arrest said person he stated he'd be talking to his lawyer about me. nearly 5 years down the line I've still not heard a single thing.
I've had people tell me that I can't force entry to a premises without a warrant (also incorrect as there are certain reasons we can do so). Most of the time when I get abuse I just let it go in one ear and out the other.
I work in a court so I see BWV all the time. I have so much respect for our police service, they are so kind and patient and are regularly assaulted in the execution of their duty. Hats off to you sir
Mags or Crown?@@kb9102
Two of my colleagues who recently joined are ex prison service, one was HMP Pentonville and the other from HMP Wandsworth. They both quit the prison service within a year. The pay is terrible and they are suspended and investigated when any force whatsoever is used.
I've been to the old Bailey and seen plenty of court staff, half of them appear tired of their job and no doubt paid not much.
People say "I don't know how you do that job" to myself but I think the same of those that work in the prison service and in courts, especially the likes of the Serco staff that collect (and handcuff themselves) to arrested persons being transported to court. They are paid literally minimum wage and always look miserable.
Having witnessed Serco collecting prisoners from our custody suite on numerous occasions, I always thought it was somewhat dangerous for them to handcuff themselves to a prisoner whilst they escort them to the van in the yard.
Judging by your response I'm guessing you're a court clerk?@@kb9102
IMHO people don't understand what is happening.
An innocent person may feel justified to feel aggrieved when being detained and prevented from going about their business.
The frustration builds when they are repeatedly told they are being detained. It's a natural response
From the officers' position, being told by someone, "It wasn't me, guv" is insufficient reason for the officer let the detained person go on their merry way. Of course that's not how it's going to work.
There are so many videos of people getting increasingly frustrated that end up with them getting arrested anyway.
Best to do as asked by the officer, and if charged, use your right to remain silent and don't talk to the police, and get a legal advisor.
It's a pita but the detention by a police officer is not the time or place to argue the toss.
That's what courts are for.
Edit: In the video, the officer is trying to explain and he keeps talking over her.
Just stfu and listen.
the absolute irony of an american trying to educate anyone.
I feel like this is the kind of person who always complains about how everyone's an asshole to him, without pausing to reflect on why that might be.
Yes if you think everyone else is the asshole you may actually be the asshole.
"Hey I this cheese slice is not thick enough!!"
Our police they are taught to remain calm and be polite as to not escalate the issue, which is what i think the american guy is trying to get them to do is to escalate it to the point so he can cry racism by british police and who knows maybe get compensation. Plus whenever you're in a foreign country abide by the laws of that country in and not you own country, the ego on this guy is astounding and insulting to good americans like yourselves.
I'm a UK police officer and this is quite common. People "proclaiming" they know the laws better than us. In SOME rare cases this is true, but 99% of the time it isn't. I didn't spend 13 weeks in police training for nothing, plus going through numerous assessments, medicals, and vetting procedures. Police recruitment is one of the longest drawn out recruitment processes anyone will ever go through. People think we need a "Reason" to pull them over, this is incorrect, no reason is required unlike the USA where "probable cause" is required. People also think we cannot force entry to premises without a warrant, this is also incorrect and there are many situations where without warrant we can do so.
Some people complain when they have a job interview and they have to wait 1-2 weeks to hear back whether they've got the job. Meanwhile in the police It can take 1-2 years. I applied and wasn't given a "formal offer" for the job until 11.5 months later. I spoke with one chap on my course who had applied 2 years prior and was on the same course as me. I was already security cleared to the same level as I was a serving Special Constable in the same force, but they still had to do all of the checks again and I had to go through the whole process again.
@@thefiestaguy8831 indeed, this guy doesn't find out about our laws and presumes to know them. My cousin is a Sargent in the police force and he went through a lot of training and worked hard to get where he is.
@@thefiestaguy8831majority of police officers are good but there are some corrupt ones. Just not as many anymore
@@NicholasJH96 Problem is there's corruption in literally every sector of employment. Colleagues of mine have arrested a drunk bus driver who was driving with passengers on board, weaving all over the road and driving way too fast. Nobody bats an eyelid about that.
What about Mrs Letby, the nurse that killed 6 young children who were in her care whilst in hospital? Sure. It gets talked about but in 5 years time everyone will forget her name.
Funnily enough people only remember it when it's police.
@@thefiestaguy8831 bit weird seeing as you’ve just above proclaimed your better-than-99%-of-the-population knowledge of the law, but neither of those examples are corruption in other employment, rather drunk driving (and presumably other offences) and serial murder. I must express surprise at your assertion that the passengers didn’t bat an eyelid at their driver speeding and weaving all over the road.
I think the serial killer Lucy Letby will indeed be known for years to come, probably much longer than corrupt police officers who seem to routinely be offered protection by their colleagues, whereas other hospital staff raised significant concerns about Nurse Letby.
The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people with limited competence in a particular domain overestimate their abilities. Some researchers also include the opposite effect for high performers: their tendency to underestimate their skills. In popular culture, the Dunning-Kruger effect is often misunderstood as a claim about general overconfidence of people with low intelligence instead of specific overconfidence of people unskilled at a particular task.
The Dunning-Kruger effect is usually measured by comparing self-assessment with objective performance. For example, participants may take a quiz and estimate their performance afterward, which is then compared to their actual results. The initial study was published by David Dunning and Justin Kruger in 1999. It focused on logical reasoning, grammar, and social skills. Since then other studies have been conducted across a wide range of tasks. They include skills from fields such as business, politics, medicine, driving, aviation, spatial memory, examinations in school, and literacy.
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@@ryklatortuga4146*chefs kiss
@@ryklatortuga4146tip: tip the biscuit before applying to the tea. Putting the biscuit in at an angle can (depends on many things) help the biscuit retain structural integrity on one side, and hence prevent rapid premature tea/biscuit mixing. ;)
(I’m vaguely remembering a paper that won the ignoble prize maybe 10 years ago which was seen as being a study into biscuit dunking in tea but was actually about a whole class of things important in manufacturing - but it’s a long time ago and so don’t trust anything I say!)
I love that do you mind if I use that saying as well. 🤣@@ryklatortuga4146
When I originally saw the video you are reacting to I noted that once the male police officer became involved the "educated" American changed his tone and became polite. When it was just the two female officers he was arrogant, confrontational and disrespectful but once the male officer became involved he backed off on the attitude and was politer.
Back in 1981, the police arrested a guy for an illegal number plate and soliciting a prostitute in a place called Sheffield. While waiting for a car to take him to the station, he said he was "bursting for a pee" and they let him relief himself behind a bin or oil tank. The following day, while he was being questioned at the station, the arresting officer had a hunch and went back to the scene and searched the area. He found that when the guy had relieved himself, he had done so of a few items, including a hammer and screwdriver. This was the evidence needed to end a five year killing spree and finally bring the Yorkshire Ripper to justice.
So... Can the police prevent someone going to the toilet and giving someone the opportunity to dispose of potential evidence while investigating a crime?
"There's a white guy and a black guy here" it's almost as if the antagonist is pretending he's never heard of accomplices.
Or that a description might be "Male, roughly this high, average build." And police are trying to get more information from witnesses to build a more accurate profile.
The vague description might even have just been "a man".
I've seen so many videos of Americans assuming that thier laws trump those of the country they're in, the best one was an American guy in Ireland, it blows my mind that they should think that way.😮look up sovereign citizen uses us law in Ireland and loses his car posted by Irish demon I'm amazed how the police officer kept his cool
What makes me laugh is the Police have told him there was an assault and that they have a vague description of the suspect and naturally the Police are gonna be super sus of someone doing their best to get away from the scene, because for all they know he or his mate could be the suspect. Buuuut his sheer arrogance blinds him to that fact and he and his friend end up being detained for 20 or so hours. Had they just shut up and done what was asked they'd have been on with their day in no time.
It's a testament to the patience of the British police that inm so many other countries (including his own) most of that video would have been from the inside of a police van.
Try that in France...
American: "Ah Murkin so I know"
French copper: "OK monsieur, so you will know it is illegal to be Americain in France" _proceeds to beat American into a fine paste and turn him into a new Cordon Bleu delicacy_
Brilliant 😂
He also thinks saying, "I told you, I didn't see anything", as if this matters, a murderer can say, "I just told you, I didn't kill anyone" 😂
Also, not seeing anything can also be evidence, if an accusation has been made for example
When I was growing up the local cop visited the school to let us know our rights and what we could and couldn't do.
We would have a laugh with him at the village fair. But we were brought up to go to the cops if we were in trouble and needed help.
About 10 years ago I was sitting on the floor waiting for the bus and the cops, who were walking past, ask me if I was okay.
I have seen this video before and this guy really annoys me.
I was pleased to hear that he was arrested and held for 24 hours. Serves the sanctimonious pratt right.
He seems to talk down to the ladies but gives the male more respect.
Nowadays I think you need a degree to become the police.
As a serving UK officer for the last 7 years, that is currently the case. There are numerous degree based schemes such as PCDA and IPLDP and those schemes utilise a "3 year probationary period" unlike the 2 year probationary period that I had when I joined in 2017. I have numerous officers on my team who are on these university schemes, and in essence it works that they will do a few "sets" (A working "week" usually consisting of 6 days) on team, and then go to university for the next week mon-fri to complete their studies.
I'm in the third highest paid force in the country and on "top rate". I earn roughly £55,000 a year before overtime. However when I first joined the pay was only £28,900 a year, not great when you consider the risk you put yourself under. During my career I was subjected to an 18 month long investigation which only concluded recently as a result of a person I dealt with committing suicide. People often complain about police but we're about as accountable as we can be nowadays. Everything we do has to be documented, everything is scrutinised, minor mistakes now get referred to local professional standards unit who then might serve you "misconduct" papers.
Policing now is nothing like it was back in the 80's and 90's. Even in the 7 short years I've been in the job it's changed so much for the worse.
Let’s face it, he embarrassed himself 🤷🏼♂️
I can 100% guarantee you that if they had just sat there, finished their drinks quietly and answered any questions the officers had, they'd have been walking to the next pub within 15 minutes.
There’s another issue too. Since they’re tourists, they have no permanent place of residency so if the police were to let them go, there’s no way to find them again if they’re needed. By detaining them until they have further details, they’re securing the crime scene. They also can’t let him use the bathroom because it’s a crime scene. Leaving his DNA at the crime scene would be something a smart person would want to avoid!
There was even a US guy who said that he should be allowed to carry a concealed weapon abroad to the UK, as he could do that in the US, because naturally the UK get their own laws and rules from the US . . . I don't think that worked ell for him either . . .
I refuse to believe your kids behave as badly as this plank!
In the UK, people must understand, the policing is by consent of the public, not imposed as in other countries. In the UK you can be arrested and 30 seconds later de-arrested, once the police are satisfied that you are not involved. The general strategy of most UK citizens is to wait until the police are finished.
3:52 “I’m American so I know”. 🤦♂️
We have Brits like this in Mediterranean resorts and it’s embarrassing how fast they fail! 😂
15:32 “I appreciate your frustration” is both classic British understatement and a dire warning: _don’t push me any further mate!_
Guys, my guilty pleasure recently has been watching Americans confronting American police, and on the whole they respond in _exactly_ the same way as these cops. Attempts to de-escalate the situation while clearly explaining that they do indeed have the right to detain people pending investigation of crime. If this guy pulls this stunt in the US the response is likely to be identical, and end up with arrest for obstruction of a police investigation. I reckon this is why the video stopped there, and you didn’t get an update on the outcome. They were likely arrested, spent a few hours in police cells, then released without charge once they were cleared of involvement. Absolute W⚓️s!
The first time I saw this video it was quite a lot longer
The Dunning-Kruger effect is what happens when someone doesn't know enough about a subject, to realise just how much more there is to know about it, than what they know.
Oh so the cops should automatically believe everyone's claim to be innocent, without investigating the facts ???
He was told that he WAS being detained for questioning numerous times, yet kept asking if he was being detained !!
In some European countries he would have been thrown to the floor, cuffed thrown into a police car. In some countries talking back to a police officer is enough to get you arrested.
No kidding, almost hope he tries that on the French or Spanish police, it won't end well 😂
Yeah you certainly likely wouldn't get the same level of patience from police in France im pretty sure
In the 60's 70's and 80's that would have happened in the UK as well. We have gone downhill rapidly since then hence the now woke police hold little respect in this country and law and order is going to the dogs.
He can be arrested if it was escalted and decides to walk away. Perverting the course of justice on an ongoing investigation is a serious criminal offence.
The bathroom was the scene of the crime. hence he could not use it. AS the second Police woman said
American Arrogance is astounding . I’m Canadian and living next to them is like living next to The Neighbour from HELL!
When he kept repeating himself got me annouyed. It reminds me when you see a kid nag there mum for a toy and they say no and they keep asking lol. Reminds me of that.
He's lucky it's uk cops .
He'd already be cuffed and in the back of a car in the US for obstruction of an ongoing investigation.
Doesn’t matter how urgent your bathroom needs, you can’t pee all over a crime scene.
The most curious thing here; he himself must have uploaded the video after this.
It would be one thing if this was just in the spur of the moment. But afterwards he must have taken the conscious decision to upload this to the Internet.
If you look at his post, he seems to think he owned them.
Yes, after this he and his friend enjoyed the cells for 20-24 hours after being detained and arrested, likely for obstruction at a crime scene? Then they were released without charge, this was his video that he uploaded on to YT - and with that actual title . . . however, he got the crap roasted out of him by every comment, various countries, including those from his own - where they were actually telling him he was showing them all up to be idiots when they travel abroad.
As an ‘American’ what do you know??!!!😂 Of course you know everything.
A lesson in how to get on the wrong side of the police.
Maybe it hadn't occurred to him that going to the bathroom might be deemed as an opportunity to get rid of incriminating evidence.
I am a Dark-skin American. That has dealt with police on 9 different occasions. Police will use my skin tone and size (6'1 between 197 to 225 at those times) to put my in handcuffs just to run my name. I don't have a criminal record so I just wait. I didn't know all my rights but I did know I have the right to remain silent. What I didn't know (until I was in my 30's) That it meant I didn't have to answer any questions. So when I learned my Rights.
I found that 5 was unlawful. 2 was lawful (traffic stops)And 2 completely violated my rights. But I haven't had any dealings with police since I learned them. 🤔 My point is I will not go to a different city or state without having some sort of knowledge about their laws. Let alone a different country.
On flip side of this, I had an acquaintance who went to the US , landed in new york. His name and face matched a wanted individual (who he wasn't). He was detained so long he missed his connecting flight. US border control offered no apology, and told him not to come back until they had caught the suspect, because this would happen again.
Dunning -Kruger Effect is where someone with a little knowledge believes they know more than they do!
It can also apply the other way round when someone who really knows the subject , can think they do not know enough to act when they can, but doubt themselves!
This particular American is arrogant enough to think he knows more than the Police Officers and he’s applying what he knows of US Law without listening to what Officers are trying to explain to him, REPEATEDLY!
In the UK if a police officer requests you stop you are not legally obligated to stop. Unless they suspect you on “reasonable grounds”. Being a witness to or in the immediate vicinity whilst an investigation is taking place is reasonable grounds. Obstruction is another thing that could be used against the tourist here if it continued to escalate.
He should go ask a cop in america if he can pee on their crime scene lol muppets
If he'd have walked off they would have arrested him for obstruction or on suspicion of the assault as trying to leave implicates the person videoing.
The police should have arrested him for wasting police time- it is a chargeable offence.
@MidWestAmericans What he was saying was, "Dunning-Kruger" which is as follows:
"The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people with limited competence in a particular domain overestimate their abilities."
This is all he adds to it when he originally posted the video:
'Notting Hill carnival 2017 police gets owned. Look how stupid they look when they can't answer the questions. PC Watkins was very sweet to me. They end up locking us up for assault on a female and then 20 hours later they let us go and apologize. WTF'
If they did lock him up for 20 hours I’d like to think they did it just because they could, but didn’t really have to, just to teach him a lesson! 🤣 Also as a side note, for someone making a point of how educated they are, check out his grammar, as that would suggest otherwise! 🤣 "police gets owned"
From what I've seen from videos, being detained by the police is the same in the US.
When you are detain, you aren't free to leave, but you aren't under arrest.
So when he says he knows, he's wrong about his own country's law.
The guy should be arrested for "obstruction of justice"...maybe he knows what that is?
The officer should arrest him for obstruction and or wasting Police time.
What was really cringy is how differently he behaves to a male officer.
When you see more police than suspects, an arrest is imminent. He has threatened several times to leave, the police will stop him and he will be arrested.
A very old saying in England is when in Rome do as the Romans do….
He most definitely race based... our Police are trained to diffuse situations.. of course not all of them do... but these Officers behaved way better than I would have and I'm not a cop
30 years ago with no cameras, that guy wouldn't have been so arrogant.
Love the fact that he thinks he is better educated that these British police officers most of whom have university degrees
Omg! You're back! How did I miss this? 😊
Of course an American can be arrested for breaking a law in our country..same as any other visiting national..just as we can be arrested in yours😂
I would have asked him if he knew what country he was in, then I would have invited him to read the 3,000 documents that make up the British Constitution along with several language courses: Anglo-Saxon, Old Norse, Old English and Middle English. If memory serves me I think the oldest document is roughly 1,200 years old.
9:55 From Google;
_'The Dunning-Kruger effect occurs when a person's lack of knowledge and skill in a certain area causes them to overestimate their own competence. By contrast, this effect also drives those who excel in a given area to think the task is simple for everyone, leading them to underestimate their abilities'._
I wonder what happened when he got back to America and was told he was on TH-cam embarrassing himself?
If an American asks me where a bathroom is, they will be shown a hotel, house or bath shop.
It seems American people enjoy spending time in a bathtub🤣
I understand some people make a habit of flushing stuff down toilets.
dunning kreuger refers to people who think theyre smarter than they are
You should watch some traffic arrests of Sov. Cits in the US. They often start with one cop and then end up being 6 - 8 cops and usually always has the same outcome……..they have to smash the car window and drag out the driver and arrest him. In the meantime all these cops have been tied up with this person sometimes for an hour, instead o f being able to go after real criminals!
The fact that this individual is absolutely desperate to leave would make me extremely suspicious of him and I would arrest him on suspicion straight away. Why does he think that it’s ok for him to continually question why he is being detained.
Love the Welsh flag behind you :) Diolch
The two words he said were "Dunning Kruger" - the dunning kruger effect is where a person knows so little about a subject that it makes them think they know everything
I'm an American, so I know.
No you do not know, and although American common law is based on English common law, they are not the same.
Also american law ends a few miles off the East coast of USA as far as this concerned
Also in the uk theres a section of the law called "Joint Enterprise". Basically if youre with someone who commits an offence and you dont do anything to stop said person, then you are just as culpable for said offence as they are.
So even if the actual assailant was the black dude,.if the white dude was present and knew it was going to happen but did nothing to prevent it, then both black and white dude are just as culpable as each other, hence why they needed to establish full facts before either was free to go on their way.
Omg!!! As an American I am so embarrassed by this guys behavior I am so sorry
Hello Ethan and Angela. The words this made me think of were Common Law and common sense. Your fellow US citizen seems lacking in a grasp of them, though you came through for the typical folk I enjoyed meeting in your country, with the ability to see things for what they were and not being afraid to say so.
I would like to point out that these 2 American tourists were not near any tourist attractions and were in a normal looking street on the outskirts of London...
The kind of streets where you can buy things not available in shops. The kinda streets where vicious assaults take place...
The only reason these 2 American guys are in the street where an assault has taken place is because they were buying... They had product in them. scared that's why they id
Detaining someone is an arrest. The police would need a reasonable suspicion and them being in the vicinity at the time of the offence would suffice. Being eager to leave could easily reinforce that suspicion.
The dibble obviously didn't want to formally arrest them as it would have involved a load of paperwork Humouring his argument was less effort..
Even in the US you can legally be held without charge for 48 hours pending investigation. You can cooperate on the street or be held in jail until it's sorted out. I've never understood not cooperating with police if you are innocent. I'd never do this in my own country (Canada) let alone a foreign country. It's just moronic.
If I remember correctly The police can arrest for “ public order violations “ which can include swearing at the police using offensive language, being uncooperative or obstructing an investigation wasting police time. This can incur a fine a detainment etc. however the police also want to limit the paperwork and expense of detaining this person has technically wasted uk taxpayers money.
I think there was a case brought where a member of the public had sworn at a police officer and the judge threw the case out on the basis that if a police officer is offended by swearing, they aren't up to the job.
We can detain them for up to 48 hours. I would love him to get hold of a Lawyer in a foreign country at no notice.
Welsh flag spotted. Opinion respected. Channel subscribed.
Where is the sympathy for the person who was seriously assaulted? I get that the American guy thought he didn't witness anything - but the police are still investigating and haven't even had the chance to figure out which questions witnesses could provide answers to. The police wanted his help, assistance and cooperation - why would you even want to make an issue out of that?
Dunning-Kruger conducted tests that asked people to rate how they did.
Results showed that those who performed poorly tended to overrate their abilities.
So when the tourist said about being educated while being a complete dick he's said to be showing the Dunning-Kruger effect.
There is an offence in the UK of obstructing a police in the course of their enquiries. The man is being obstructive therefore the officer can easily say please accompany us to the station, to assist with enquiries. If you are obstructive the police will simply take their time, and belive me they can take 24/48 hours of they are "busy". All people can see police body cam footage. US citizens can be arrested and prosecuted as you are a member of the public, it is only those with diplomatic immunity who are exempted, suspicion of involvement is a good enough reason to be detained. If he walked away then they can arrest him and take him to the station, bathroom or not. Arguing with 2 sergeants is never a good strategy because they seriously know the law.
Dunning-Kruger effect.
This is usually explained from the point of view of someone who knows very little but bare with me and I'll start from the person who does know his facts!
Someone who is very well versed in a subject or situation, may think that the things he knows is also known by everyone else, therefore underestimating his own ability! The reverse of this is that someone who has little knowledge, over-estimates his abilities and believes that others are not so knowledgeable, or no-one else has this knowledge!
I hope this helps....
Nothing to do with this video, but ive just watched you both on Netflix. Ive been watching a documentary on Greggs and found it amusing when you were both shown in it (albiet for just 30seconds) 😁
He said Dunning-Kruger. It's a psychological theory...
Look at the state of that place! I don't know which part of London it is, but what a shithole!
I bet he wishes that he has a British Passport, with the "His Britannic Majesty's Secretary of State requests and requires in the name of His Majesty all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance, and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary."
So step aside my good man!
Dunning Kruger effect. The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people with limited competence in a particular domain overestimate their abilities. Some researchers also include the opposite effect for high performers: their tendency to underestimate their skills.
If I was a judge on this case, I would've sentenced that guy to Life for crimes against intelligence.
In germany we have a saying "wie man in den Wald ruft, so schallt es heraus" (how you shout in the forrest, it will shout back) be nice to the authorities and they most likely be nice to you too. Being annoying will just make the stop longer...
ah, the “Sovereign Citizen”… it doesn’t wash in the US, and certainly won’t do so here
19:51 “I’m sorry for THAT American” - well said, it is important to not stereotype people just because of the behaviour of an individual. All countries have their “bad apples”….and probably, at some point in all our lives, we all might be the bad apple to someone else without meaning to be.
You were correct in your assessment. The guy was being a total dick. I hope he sees this and is embarrassed by it.
7:44 what he’s talking about there is a data protection subject access request (often called a SAR), which falls under the Data Protection Act 2018 (which amended/superseded GDPR, but the term GDPR is still used).
While he’s mostly right - the police, as any organisation, can refuse to provide the information if they can justify why. For example, they are only obliged to provide information pertaining to YOU. however, body cam footage may well include information / footage of other individuals as well. If that can’t be effectively redacted, they can refuse to hand over the footage showing you because they are not allowed to share other people’s info if it could be a risk to them etc. (silly example, imagine if there were someone running around naked in the same footage you were in, and they were shouting personal information). In practice, I understand the police will always try to comply with such requests but it is not a given
The body that is tasked with governing these things is the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO) and they give a lot of advice and guidance on how to comply with this and on people’s rights etc in their web site.
Also - the police are the Data controllers and processors (they probably use sub processors too) - (data handlers which he calls it is not a term used).
GDPR/DPA would apply to any UK or EU citizen, so….an American citizen wouldn’t be covered. However I doubt the police would discriminate on that for transparency purposes, but again - they can apply exceptions.
The black/white question - I think they are trying to make the point that if only one fits the description, the other should be free to go, but you are right, either or both might still become suspects as the investigation continues so they can both be detained …I think.
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The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people with limited competence in a particular domain overestimate their abilities.
If a person is detained on the basis of matching the description of a witness to the incident, the police need to have "reasonable suspicion" that the detainee is connected to the incident or has relevant information regarding it, but, even if the description is a close match to the detained person's appearance, there would still need to be other factors present, such as the behaviour or mere presence of the detainee in the area and at the time the incident took place.
"The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people with limited competence in a particular domain overestimate their abilities". [source - Wikipedia]
Around 10:00, he said "Dunning Kruger". The Dunning Kruger effect is basically the tendency for people to incorrectly estimate their knowledge of a subject. People who know a lot about it tend to underestimate their knowledge, whereas (as is relevant in this context) someone with a little bit of knowledge (or even none) thinks they're a full-blown expert.
Under the UK Data laws protection laws anyone who is filmed by the Police can obtain the footage if they ask for it. Also is Scotland (not sure if it is the same in England) you can be detained for up to 24 hours in an ongoing investigation and if you are not charged you must be released and if you are charged you must go before a Magistrate within 48 hours.
if it were the US, it would've been escalated to hell. thank god the cops there are trying to deescalate.
"Dunning - Kruger".
Well worth a Google search, and if everyone was aware of its meaning, so many problems in the world would be reduced.
You get idiots everywhere in every country it’s shameful but I think the police was very professional
Most of the lawyer stuff, reading rights etc that people are vaguely familiar with even in the US, only come in to effect if you are being charged with something and being arrested, not when you are being temporarily detained on site for questioning
I would like to see this scene with the police in my country, Serbia 😄, these British police officers are really patient. They would have been arrested here long before they turned on the camera
I think I have watched too many US police camera video's. From them I have learned that being detained is used while there is an investigation ongoing. It is used a lot in things like DV, DUI (think its OVI for the states), Shop lifting etc. So the police have time to investigate, find out what happened, who was the first perpetrator in a fight. With the DUI its so they can do field sobriety tests, unless the person refuses, then its cuffed and taken to the station. The laws are very similar, in both countries I believe if you are detained you cannot leave the scene untill the investigation is done. Imagine the sht the cops would be in if they allowed someone to just walk away from a crime scene because they demanded it.
This guy has a very bad case of 'Our We There Yet?' He keeps asing the same question over and over again in the hopes the answer changes to what he wants to hear.