Why do Manual Transmissions have This Problem?
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- Anthony discovered his manual transmission had a problem by it failing after only 21,000 miles. Anthony had to fix his manual transmission because Subaru would not cover the warranty to have the transmission repaired.
Anthony spent thousands of dollars to have it fixed. We changed his manual transmission to AMSOIL Severe Gear 75W-90 100% synthetic GL-5 specification.
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Dont put heavier than suggested man there is alot of fluid dynamics in a transmission and they recommend certain weights for a reason
I agree, bought car in weekend dumped all oil and 75w 90, even though was "serviced 1 month ago" oil stunk but they had put new new brakes on which I was happy about, fanks for listening I have never believed in really thin oil
They put thin oil in the box for fuel efficiency. It's an easy way to shave 2% off the EPA consumption, but customers need to be aware of it, thin oil is not for towing or mountain trekking. I do most city driving and using "fuel saver" oil, the difference is there at low speed, but I don't tow or stress my car ever.
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Thinner gear oils tend to shift smoother especially at cold temperatures which I think is another reason.
Customers will complain about the smallest things so not surprised.
That said I run a slightly higher viscosity in a 75w85 in my car that the stock fill is a 75w80 which is hard to find in Australia. Still shifts fairly smoothly in the cold. I found 75w90 in my application is near impossible to select second in winter below 10 degrees Celsius for the first km or so
I just had the clutch changed on my car which I've had for 21 years (Fiat Punto MK2) - until recently I only drove about 2,000 miles a year as I live in a city and we take the underground train to get anywhere. Anyway the new clutch is so much lighter and easier to press. However as part of the job they change the Gear Oil, this was the car's first Gear Oil Change and it was switched out with another brand of oil but was 75W90 Synthetic Oil and have to say I have noticed the gears are easier to shift as well. My car has 6 speed gear box so change gears a lot.
I thought that GL-5 was bad for brass synchros because of the sulfur. But a bad trans at 21k sounds like either a manufacturing defect or driver/mod issues. My 1G DSM's AWD trans went bad after less than 20k and it was either a bad trans or me driving it hard and not using the clutch properly. But I was much less experienced at shifting back then and did a lot of aggressive mountain and back roads driving. Luckily mine was under warranty so it didn't cost me anything, just time. Since then I've learned how to rebuild the trans myself. It's not nearly as hard as you'd think, unlike an auto trans.
Yeah it's interesting
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Wow! The gearhead speak notwithstanding, I got a lot from this. I do not know that I'll ever will own a car with a traditional manual gearbox again. Yet, it's possible. Should I do so definitely one of the first moves I'll make is changing that gear lubricant. The blender - mixing bowl illustration was a great object lesson. All in all it's an excellent video! 😎
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At 21k miles, it is highly unlikely that the trans fluid was the culprit. Otherwise, wrx’s in stock configurations with blown transmissions would be extremely common, and I have seen no evidence/data to suggest that. Most of these issues are going to come down to driver error/habits, power modifications that the tranny wasn’t designed to handle, or factory defects. Subaru still uses “extra mt” as the factory fill. Extra mt is rebranded Mitasu Mj-441 (75w-80 gl5), very difficult and/or expensive to get in the states. I have tried reputable 75w-90 fluids like Motul 300 and it shifts just fine when the tranny is warm, but nothing shifts as well in the cold as the factory fluid or equivalent.
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No subaru manual will go out it 21k miles without abuse or racing or mis shifting. I'd say he's 100% responsible for it breaking. Not the fluid
Yes & no. We live in Las Vegas.
Avg temp in summer is 107. Black top is 170.
For every 18 degrees a lubricant runs it oxidizes at twice the rate.
@@Syntheticoilprotection Vegas or not, something still smells fishy. There’s plenty of WRX’s in Nevada without issue. If Subaru denied me the warranty claim and I truly believed there was no foul play on my end, I would have never taken “no” for an answer. Lemon lawsuit would absolutely be on the table. That’s not to say a thicker fluid wouldn’t be better in a hotter climate for performance and longevity sake. But for me in CA, where I drove in 100 degree heat as well as the mountains a lot, the degradation in cold-weather drivability wasn’t worth running the thicker fluid. I settled on titan sintofluid 75w-80 GL5 and changed it every 20k. Sold it with over 50k miles and zero trans issues.
Yeah it's interesting had a lot of people in the Corvette club too with a lot of problems with warranties they usually play a lot of games and it's not really worth counting on them you're always best doing your own preventative maintenance LOL
Chrysler used atf4 to save a bundle early 2000 cars this guy has a point some car companies can be wrong its common sense not to put atf4 in a manual
You know it's one of those things that just depends on the component there's so many different manual transmissions that take all different types of fluids For instance some take synchromesh 5W30 others take ATF fluid some take GL475W90 and some take GL5 75W90 it just depends
The biggest thing is to have the highest quality additives in the lubricant that keep it from foaming.
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I have a 2008 dodge ram 6.7 diesel with the Mercedes Benz G56 transmission. I’m getting ready to do my first fluid change but don’t know what to go with. Would you guys recommend amsoil 75w90, amsoil manual transmission fluid, delvac 50, or royal purple synchromax. Chrysler recommends atf4 but I do a lot of towing around the south Texas area where it’s summer year long.
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Frequently, manual transmission "Clutch Problems" were actually a broken slave cylinder (about $40.00), easy to install and add new Slave Cylinder fluid. Does the Subaru have a slave cylinder?
That's a great question will have to ask Anthony I've never studied those Transmissions I do know I've heard a lot of problems with him and I've been warned by an expert Subaru Builder engine builder he told me to stay away from a certain WRX engine he said that you have to do a special sleeving process and the crank isn't built right but once you do the fix you can make 500 all wheel and they're amazing vehicle the fix is about 10000 bucks with all the parts labor turbo high flow fuel pump
Yellow Metalls ?
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Eben, I was going to change my Trans fluid to Amsoil in MY017 Subaru Outback, but the dealership said Subaru warranties the Trans for 100k miles since there have been problems with them. They said they wont cover me if I change the fluid :/. Guess I'll have to wait...
You can change the transmission fluid to any fluid that meets the specification.
Also they won't cover the warranty because Anthony got screwed and they never covered it.
They quoted him $11,000 to replace his transmission after only 21,000 miles.
It's about the best thing you can do is protect your own transmission by replacing the fluids and maintaining them appropriately.
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I use quality synthetic like Penrite (Australia) & the Pro-ma MBL8.
Worth contacting a lawyer for warranty work?
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I keep waffling back and forth between the Severe Gear 75-90 given that it's GL4 and GL5 compatible, or the 75-90 Manual Transmission Fluid, which is a straight GL4. The H55F 5spd in my old Land Cruiser needs a GL4, but given that the transfer case uses a GL5 and there is a very minor leak between the two that allows a small amount of oil to migrate from the tcase to the transmission over time (notorious issue with manual trans Land Cruisers), I'm leaning more towards the Severe Gear and just using that in the trans, tcase AND my diffs since they all call for the same weight.
My question is how many times was the tranny fluid changed before transmission went out at 21000 miles assuming Anthony bought the car brand new.
I have no idea
What was the original trans. oil?
That's a really good question I have no idea
My Civic calls for 5W20 for it's manual transmission. I'm pretty sure it's a transmission and differential combo as well. I wonder if it's too thin
Sometimes the Hondas call for a synchromesh transmission fluid which is kind of like a 5 W 30
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Use the Honda fluid that it recommends especially on a Honda. They make alot of stuff and they want it to last so use what they recommend
I believe it’s somewhat of a 5w-30, although specifically all other Synchromesh API GL-4, 75w-80 gear oils/manual transmission fluids will work. Look for ones that obviously state that they will work with Honda/Acura, or are for YELLOW metals, such as brass, which are used in synchronized transmissions.
This way, you can eliminate other gear oils and manual trans fluids that might deteriorate your synchronizers and other metal trans/gearbox parts.
The only other friction modified MTF/gear oil I’d recommend for Honda/Acura, is AC Delco (formerly GM) Synchromesh friction modified MTF. This has been a huge upgrade over OEM fluid for years. No one truly knows what grade, viscosity, etc. the current OEM Honda MTF is now, but it definitely seems to be a bit thinner than all of the yellow metal, Synchromesh API-GL4, 75w80 substitutes.
But the GL-5 will damage the Synchronizers .
On Manual Transmission is supose to be GL-4 only.
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I have a Ford Focus ST that calls for Motorcraft DCTF in the manual transmission. Does Amsoil make an equivalent?
yes I believe they do this is the lookup guide right here.
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I have Toyota's 6-speed in my 2014 Corolla. Had the dealer change the fluid at 100,000 km (60,000 mi). It is very obvious the dealer put the wrong fluid in (they have so few manuals now). I think they put in a 75W80 or 90. Toyota recommends the 75W Toyota LV (low viscosity) oil. Redline seems to make one like this. I noticed Amsoil does not, and Amsoil's website does not offer a specific recommendation. But I know Amsoil trans fluid would be one of the best. Anyway, the reason why I think the dealer put the wrong fluid in, is I immediately had trouble shifting into 2nd gear from cold. No problem when the car is warmed up. I looked at some Toyota forums that described exactly this problem. Any thoughts? Would this 75W90 Amsoil Severe Gear be the wrong fluid?
This is a great question here Luke what I would do is I would call and Royal technical support and get their opinion.
Most likely it's a basic synchromesh 5w 30 gear lube.
That's what most GM manual trans and Hondas take.
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This is the synchromesh that has the additives for the synchronizers and allows it to shift really smooth also this is a 5 W 30 viscosity so it flows well and extremely cold temperatures and it will shift most likely like it's warm all the time even when it's cold. That's what makes the hundred percent synthetic so impressive is that you just don't have to warm it up like most other fluids
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@@Syntheticoilprotection I think you mean 75W90 (not 5W30) as this a manual transmission fluid
Actually forget that! I found there is a 5W30 Syncromesh fluid! Hmm... It's not recommended according to Amsoil's website. May go with Redline's 75W LV synthetic as it specifically mentions it's suitable for "Toyota/Scion" manual transmission. I"ll wait a bit as I've only gone 20,000 km since the trans fluid change.
Good job.
Do not use GL5 if you have a gearbox which has yellow metals, .i.e brass, copper, bronze, the high sulphur and phosphorous attack those soft metals.
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This is correct. If your box calls for Synchromesh or gl3 or gl4 do not use gl5 in these applications. Gl4 is getting hard for me to find locally. I've had to order online.
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@@Syntheticoilprotection that is awesome. thank you for that. Im coming up on the replacement of my trucks diffs so i'll be due for 8qt of the 75w90 severe gear! that stuff is liquid gold... love it. Again Toyota's lack of real service intervals, led me to 30k mi interval on the tranny and diffs.
The wrx shares a sump with the front diff so you “must” use a GL5 for the extra pressure additives. Newer gl5 fluids that are labeled for use in manual transmissions have modern additive packages that will not prematurely wear “yellow” metals.
I'm extremely curious to know why Subaru wouldn't cover this failure under warranty. Was it the dealer that said no to it, or the manufacturer?
Anthony said both. First it was looked at by dealer then corporate looked at it and said it was void because of excessive clutch were. The clutch is a were idem and that proved he was hard on the transmission.....lol
@@Syntheticoilprotection well damn, I need to pay closer attention!
Yeah I just saw Anthony at the coffee shop and he explained the whole thing to me about the way they said it was excessive clutch wear and that's usually the way the warranties work is there's a lot of entanglements with where can ponens and then non where components and then what they do is they flutter back and forth and then they always pivot and then they call something unusual one something's unusual then they point the finger and then they deny the claim.
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Mine says to use 75w80 think it would make a huge difference to use 75w90?
You would be good just a small difference in thickness for super fuel efficiency.
You'll notice it will run a lot smoother.
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hi there, i just use this severe gear 75w90 to my manual transmission on nissan 370z 2014. is it good cause i did not find manual tras oil 75w90 gl-4. and i am afraid since i read that manual owner recommend api gl-4. please need your answer??
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Some manual trans you can use gl4 and gl5 some just call for GL for it depends on the type of transmission some are compatible with both and some call for one or the other the differences are the modifiers that are for the differential are added to the gl5.
It's called diff lock additive and it keeps the rear end from chattering and that's the additive that is already inside the gl5 gear lube
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This is showing the gl4 gear lube which is for transaxles and a lot of manual transmissions
The look up guide recommend gl-4 transmission and tranaxial 75w90. And the seller gave me by mistake the severe gear 75w90. So I think I have to drain it?? What would you do?
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It is already all amsoil but you did not answer my question. Would it ruin my trans to keep the 75w90 severe gear GL-5 in my trans or drain it and order amsoil 75w90 tran oil Gl-4?
You should never use GL5 for manual transmission. AMSOIL has a special Lube for manual. You actually destroy this guy transmission....
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My Subaru's transmission died after 27k.
What type of transmission was it?
Also what year make and model was it?
I don't understand why you had to pay $11k if you were under warranty.
That's a great question Sean so warranties are like a mirage in the desert they really don't pay out they usually just replace things with used parts.
Also most warranties only cover half of parts but you have to pay the other half and you have to pay labor.
There's a lot of funny gimmicks they do but basically at the end of the day most warranties really aren't worth it as long as you take good care of your vehicle.
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of course the same formula used in the 60s race car... sure
I blow up my WRX gerbox and it wasn't fun very loud and expansive .
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That is embarrassing for Subaru. I don't care if you drive your Subaru hard; you should not wreck the tranny after 21,000 mi. Worse case scenario, you ruin the clutch, but that's all. I suppose Subaru has cheapened theirs parts to lower their price point to make the WRX and STI more appealing. It's a nice looking and driving car, but I know now to never buy one!
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