Thank you for sharing this video!!! Showing some of the “pitfalls” of turning. It also teaches us what to look for while turning!Love your channel! I learn something every time I watch! Simply one of the best woodturning channels out there!
#2 Robertson driver. It has happened to all of us. So happy to hear you say it. It has been a while, but the last time it happened was #4 for a one week period. That was a real learning week. Cheers
Been there, done that. I really appreciate you showing the mistakes along with the successes. I still learned from your techniques and methods, so thanks.
I really like this type of shape too. Agree with some other commenters that seeing a fix would be handy too. And thanks for the wood glue reminder. And finally, yup Robertson screws for the win. They work so much better, just beware of some of the more recent cheap and nasty imported ones that are poorly made. They can get frustrating quickly too.
Thank you for showing your mistakes! Really helps us to learn. Sad that we didn't get to see the finished product as this was a beautiful bowl!! Love your videos Kent!
So! You are a mere mortal after all! Showing your mistakes is humbling for you and a confidence builder for many of your fans. Chuck it? Never! Fix up the bottom and use it for a gorgeous planter!
Hey Kent I turn most of my bowls that shape I love turning that shape. So I made a sander to finish that mistake when it happens. With a simple face plate and 3/4 plywood and glued sand paper and you just simply sand it off. Never waste a project just solve the issue! ✌🏼
Yup! My last bowl did just that. I was turning a nice chunk of walnut, about 8” dia and 4” thick. Was all finished and cleaning up the inside. It had a mortis not the tenon. Anyway the final pass burst thru the bottom and I had been calipering the whole time. I tried to fix it with a chunk of walnut but didn’t look right so put it in the cabinet with other “problems”. Thanks for the learning turning. Happy Turning….
Just turned my first bowl! And I did exactly the same. Good lesson learned! 😄 no problem. I highly appreciate your video’s. Great motivational lessons. Thank you!
Absolutely correct about using the impact driver! A couple years ago I banished all square drive and phillips head screws from my shop because I needed to end the frustration of them camming out and ruining nice work. By accident I discovered that the impact driver never cams out, even on Phillips heads! Torx heads are best but the impact driver makes the lesser screws workable. Thank you for the video! :)
Thanks for also sharing your "blunders." I would consider flattening the bottom, glue a piece of contrasting wood to the bowl and then turn a sort of "short" pedestal. Kind regards.
Good teaching lesson Kent! I have gone through the bottom of a couple of bowls lately. One was on my vacuum chuck while I was sanding, and that was an interesting experience, the dark ring appeared and I was trying to sand it off. But the dark ring was the vacuum chuck showing its way through the light Sycamore wood. I am so glad I have a "visual" air filter bowl on my vacuum line, it was full of fine sawdust. Anyway, enjoyed your "Humble Pie". Lowell
That's about the max size I can turn on my midi lathe and the good thing about it is that sanding the inside of the closed rim bowl of that size is not a huge pain since I can fit the drill into it, unlike the smaller ones. Also I call hickory "brickory" since it's about the hardest wood I can find out in New England without looking too hard. It's always sad when we blow through the bottom, but that's why we have so many roughed out bowls! Good to see that it happens to even experienced turners!
If something like this happens to me, I save the bowl by fitting a nice piece of another type of wood (mahogany or something that harmonises well). This then forms the base of the bowl and a new foot at the same time. A clamping disc comes in handy for this. Not only have I saved many bowls this way, but I've also managed to create attractive designs!
That’s a bummer! It was a really nice bowl. This is why finishing the bottom is my scariest part of the process. I dread wasting all that work on the very last part. But I’ve done it a few times and it’s always frustrating!
I always repair. I have done this a few times, can make a very interesting bottom. I usually texture it. All the ones I have done have been picked before a similar bowl with out a blemish.
Ánimo! Son cosas que pasan! El trabajo, de todos modos, fue excelente. Nos ha pasado a todos que justo en el momento en que estamos por terminar algo hermoso, como decimos por acá, "metemos la pata". Apretar los labios y volver a comenzar!!! De seguro el regalo va a quedar hermoso y lo van a disfrutar. Excelente la recomendación en cuanto al tamaño del cuenco. No lo había pensado nunca y es muy cierto! Gracias por compartirlo! Un abrazo! Germán, Lomas de Solymar, Uruguay
Please show how you fix such bowls. As a new guy to turning I know it is a matter of time. So far I have been doing thick live edge and the rough turn of twice turning other than some spindle turning from one inch stock.
From one occasional funnel maker to another, respect for sharing your mistakes. Curious what finish you would have used for a same-day gifting, though.
Привет Кент! Очень жалко , что ты испортил такую красивую чашу. Я вращая внутренний верх таких чаш на реверсе. Я тоже пару прорезал дно чаш, но сделал простейший измерительный инструмент избавился от этой "детской" проблемы. Hello Kent! It's a pity that you ruined such a beautiful bowl. I am rotating the inner top of such bowls on the reverse. I also cut through the bottom of the bowls a couple of times, but I made the simplest measuring tool and got rid of this "childish" problem.
I would have finished it and used in the shop for something or I would have cut it in half to have two equal haves and then mounted it to a wall and it could be a rag bowl or sandpaper bit and pieces bowl. They look great hanging on a wall almostlike a sconce.
I have wondered if one of those laser distance measuring devices locked down could be used to measure how close to the chuck jaws one is getting having measured to the jaws first.
that's a good mistake to be able to show us how to repair the mistake... not just start over...some of us may not have a second blank to start over with..
@sqidskunk, Yes. I was looking for how Kent dealt with the problem too. I was able to fix a too thin bottom by adding inlay material and CA glue in layers until the base was firm, then I sanded it flat. Came out great and you can’t tell from the inside of the bowl. A person might want to make something else to give for the gift, but no reason to toss the whole thing.
Actually you shouldn't chuck it away a video on how to rescue by inserting piece or some other method would be educational, be useful for novice turners, just my thoughts.
It needs to go to the place for misfit toys and bowls. If you've never made a funnel, you've probably not turned very many bowls. It could have been a beautiful bowl. The grain was awesome.
How to fix it would be a good video. But I think I would just sand it down and use it around the house or shop. Which is what I’m doing with four or five already. Most of them cracked really bad.
After using both drill and impact driver , i think the impact driver breaks a lot of screws . Its not a problem with shorter screws like these or in relatively soft wood . I use lots of 3-4 inch deck screws and only use a drill because of this Had trouble with just 1.5 inch screws when mounting a piece of ipe on a face plate , have to pre drill or dip the screws in dish soap I would rather have to take a stripped screw out with a pair of vise grips than deal with a broken one
P S the original designer of Robertson drivers made them color coded , so you could look down at your tool belt and tell what size the driver was by the handle. Makers of bits will color code the whole bit . number two is the one I use most and it is red
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Thank you for sharing this video!!! Showing some of the “pitfalls” of turning. It also teaches us what to look for while turning!Love your channel! I learn something every time I watch!
Simply one of the best woodturning channels out there!
Thanks for making me feel better about all my mistakes.
#2 Robertson driver. It has happened to all of us. So happy to hear you say it. It has been a while, but the last time it happened was #4 for a one week period. That was a real learning week. Cheers
What he pr she said.
Been there, done that. I really appreciate you showing the mistakes along with the successes. I still learned from your techniques and methods, so thanks.
I really like this type of shape too. Agree with some other commenters that seeing a fix would be handy too. And thanks for the wood glue reminder.
And finally, yup Robertson screws for the win. They work so much better, just beware of some of the more recent cheap and nasty imported ones that are poorly made. They can get frustrating quickly too.
Thank you for showing your mistakes! Really helps us to learn. Sad that we didn't get to see the finished product as this was a beautiful bowl!! Love your videos Kent!
Don't worry, it is good lesson for beginners and not only. Good luck in Your next teaching lessons !
So! You are a mere mortal after all! Showing your mistakes is humbling for you and a confidence builder for many of your fans. Chuck it? Never! Fix up the bottom and use it for a gorgeous planter!
It happened to me on a bowl also...I created a pedestal from another chunk of the same type wood...they loved it
Hey Kent I turn most of my bowls that shape I love turning that shape. So I made a sander to finish that mistake when it happens. With a simple face plate and 3/4 plywood and glued sand paper and you just simply sand it off. Never waste a project just solve the issue! ✌🏼
I often need to remember the advice of an old friend, “there’s no mistakes, just cheap tuition.”
Yup! My last bowl did just that. I was turning a nice chunk of walnut, about 8” dia and 4” thick. Was all finished and cleaning up the inside. It had a mortis not the tenon. Anyway the final pass burst thru the bottom and I had been calipering the whole time. I tried to fix it with a chunk of walnut but didn’t look right so put it in the cabinet with other “problems”. Thanks for the learning turning. Happy Turning….
Just turned my first bowl! And I did exactly the same. Good lesson learned! 😄 no problem.
I highly appreciate your video’s. Great motivational lessons. Thank you!
Absolutely correct about using the impact driver! A couple years ago I banished all square drive and phillips head screws from my shop because I needed to end the frustration of them camming out and ruining nice work. By accident I discovered that the impact driver never cams out, even on Phillips heads! Torx heads are best but the impact driver makes the lesser screws workable. Thank you for the video! :)
Thanks for sharing your humanity in that we all have bad days and make mistakes!
Thanks for also sharing your "blunders." I would consider flattening the bottom, glue a piece of contrasting wood to the bowl and then turn a sort of "short" pedestal. Kind regards.
That shape is really nice! In the words of John Denver, "Some days are diamonds - some days are stones."
It happens!! Glad you posted that Kent. It let's us know it happens to the best of us. All the best!
Good teaching lesson Kent! I have gone through the bottom of a couple of bowls lately. One was on my vacuum chuck while I was sanding, and that was an interesting experience, the dark ring appeared and I was trying to sand it off. But the dark ring was the vacuum chuck showing its way through the light Sycamore wood. I am so glad I have a "visual" air filter bowl on my vacuum line, it was full of fine sawdust.
Anyway, enjoyed your "Humble Pie".
Lowell
That's about the max size I can turn on my midi lathe and the good thing about it is that sanding the inside of the closed rim bowl of that size is not a huge pain since I can fit the drill into it, unlike the smaller ones. Also I call hickory "brickory" since it's about the hardest wood I can find out in New England without looking too hard. It's always sad when we blow through the bottom, but that's why we have so many roughed out bowls! Good to see that it happens to even experienced turners!
Really appreciate your excellent instructions. Very helpful.
Love how you explain things enjoy watching
What a great looking light shade.
Yep. Turned a maple bowl too thin. Glued a piece of walnut to the bottom and turned a new bottom base. Turned out purty good. Lol
If something like this happens to me, I save the bowl by fitting a nice piece of another type of wood (mahogany or something that harmonises well). This then forms the base of the bowl and a new foot at the same time. A clamping disc comes in handy for this.
Not only have I saved many bowls this way, but I've also managed to create attractive designs!
It's NOT just me who does this! Yoo-hoo! Thanks, buddy!
The bit is a Robertson
That is all I use here in Canada !
Waaay better than Philips for general use. It's a shame that we "Yanks" (in general) haven't seen the light.
Robertson bits. Ford of Canada used them for years
That’s a bummer! It was a really nice bowl. This is why finishing the bottom is my scariest part of the process. I dread wasting all that work on the very last part. But I’ve done it a few times and it’s always frustrating!
Ben there done that.I believe the name of the screws are Robertson, I have three sizes of square drive 1,2,3.
Hi Kent,
you call it a funnel if you turn through the bottom. Here in Germany we call it "Lampenschirm" meaning a lamp shade.
Hi Kent. Great video your wood screws are called Robertson
Beautiful project. Do you have a video learning how to proper measure dept and wall thickness? Maybe an idea? Regards, Dennis
I was turning a goblet when suddenly it became a tunnel. I had cut right through the cup. Good lesson to learn early.
I always repair. I have done this a few times, can make a very interesting bottom. I usually texture it. All the ones I have done have been picked before a similar bowl with out a blemish.
AH!!! You too! Funny but sad. Hey thanks for sharing. Excellent lesson for all
Still very beautiful shape i love it
Ánimo! Son cosas que pasan! El trabajo, de todos modos, fue excelente. Nos ha pasado a todos que justo en el momento en que estamos por terminar algo hermoso, como decimos por acá, "metemos la pata". Apretar los labios y volver a comenzar!!! De seguro el regalo va a quedar hermoso y lo van a disfrutar. Excelente la recomendación en cuanto al tamaño del cuenco. No lo había pensado nunca y es muy cierto! Gracias por compartirlo! Un abrazo!
Germán, Lomas de Solymar, Uruguay
Please show how you fix such bowls. As a new guy to turning I know it is a matter of time. So far I have been doing thick live edge and the rough turn of twice turning other than some spindle turning from one inch stock.
Man, I hate it when that happens. We're all human after all!
Please make a video where you are showing solutions for the problem, if bottom is too thin. 😊
Peter Lymburner Robertson invented square driver bits, also known as Robertson head bits, in 1908.
Bugger, that was unlucky, Kent. You weren't far off and had the wood been dryer you might have got away with it.
I use concrete screws with a splined driver bit. Rarely slips and darn near bombproof.
The square bit screw is called a "Roberson" style screw.
From one occasional funnel maker to another, respect for sharing your mistakes. Curious what finish you would have used for a same-day gifting, though.
I know how you feel, just one more cut gets me.
Robertson screws.
Put a different bottom on it I've done it a few times lol
Robertson head bit
Привет Кент! Очень жалко , что ты испортил такую красивую чашу. Я вращая внутренний верх таких чаш на реверсе. Я тоже пару прорезал дно чаш, но сделал простейший измерительный инструмент избавился от этой "детской" проблемы. Hello Kent! It's a pity that you ruined such a beautiful bowl. I am rotating the inner top of such bowls on the reverse. I also cut through the bottom of the bowls a couple of times, but I made the simplest measuring tool and got rid of this "childish" problem.
I would have finished it and used in the shop for something or I would have cut it in half to have two equal haves and then mounted it to a wall and it could be a rag bowl or sandpaper bit and pieces bowl. They look great hanging on a wall almostlike a sconce.
Everyone makes a funnel at one time or another!..and anyone watching this..dont get hung up on the 55 degree gouge...
I have wondered if one of those laser distance measuring devices locked down could be used to measure how close to the chuck jaws one is getting having measured to the jaws first.
that's a good mistake to be able to show us how to repair the mistake... not just start over...some of us may not have a second blank to start over with..
@sqidskunk, Yes. I was looking for how Kent dealt with the problem too. I was able to fix a too thin bottom by adding inlay material and CA glue in layers until the base was firm, then I sanded it flat. Came out great and you can’t tell from the inside of the bowl. A person might want to make something else to give for the gift, but no reason to toss the whole thing.
It’s a tunnel…. We have 2 rings😊😊😊😂❤
Actually you shouldn't chuck it away a video on how to rescue by inserting piece or some other method would be educational, be useful for novice turners, just my thoughts.
It needs to go to the place for misfit toys and bowls. If you've never made a funnel, you've probably not turned very many bowls. It could have been a beautiful bowl. The grain was awesome.
I would've figured out a way to saved that bowl with epoxy or wood or something that was a wonderful bowl
Would building a dam and epoxy not save this bowl? Such a shame, as it it a gorgeous bowl
funnel? or a lamp shade?
A square driver screwdriver is called a Robertson screwdriver
How to fix it would be a good video. But I think I would just sand it down and use it around the house or shop. Which is what I’m doing with four or five already. Most of them cracked really bad.
Robertson head screws
After using both drill and impact driver , i think the impact driver breaks a lot of screws . Its not a problem with shorter screws like these or in relatively soft wood .
I use lots of 3-4 inch deck screws and only use a drill because of this
Had trouble with just 1.5 inch screws when mounting a piece of ipe on a face plate , have to pre drill or dip the screws in dish soap
I would rather have to take a stripped screw out with a pair of vise grips than deal with a broken one
P S
the original designer of Robertson drivers made them color coded , so you could look down at your tool belt and tell what size the driver was by the handle. Makers of bits will color code the whole bit . number two is the one I use most and it is red
Turn it into salad tongs! Don't throw it away.
Even consummate professionals make mistakes like the rest of us? Sorry this happened. It was a great looking piece of wood. I hate when this happens!
What a shame. We've all been there. Free funnels.
Make a lamp out of it.
Cheers
Just sand off the bottom and send it to me! I'll use it just to look at!
Robertson
It's called a Robertson screw head or bit.
Seen it to me please.?
Robertson