Forging the Iron Rose Blacksmithing
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.พ. 2023
- I have made dozens of stacked sheet metal roses over the years. But this is my first single piece forged rose.
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This was a stressful watch, felt like a crack was about to happen the entire time. You're definitely more skilled than I, not that that was a question
OMG John. Your arms will be sore for days but I admire your tenacity to stick with it. Looks awesome! Thanks for showing us a new way to make a rose.
my belt sander has saved many of my projects, no shame in be smart. I have never seen a rose made like this thanks John.
Thanks John for keeping the successes and the failures in the video. There is a lot of valuable information in both! The final product is gorgeous and can't wait to see your next one. I can see how this rose although more work will last for life times! Thanks for the great video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
What a challenging undertaking! You've often said to get better a person must challenge themselves. You're practicing that mindset, sharing it we us and inspiring us. Thank you for taking the time.
Amazing, especially if you look at the piece of material you started with, and what you were able to produce, you moved a ton of metal!! I've never seen this technique before, only the one where you make some cuts in flat stock, draw out the petals, then wrap it around. I think it still came out looking great, all those final touches you put on at the end really made it come to life, well done!
The stacked sheet metal style is definitely easier to get good results and they look more realistic in most cases.
@@BlackBearForge I think the style I was thinking about is maybe called a "Russian Rose"? Like this one that Roy made: th-cam.com/video/HgsVc90qXBo/w-d-xo.html (much less sledgehammering involved 😅)
I've made lots of steel and non-ferrous flowers, but this one obviously is way more effort than I've ever expended! Thanks for the continued inspiration to keep thinking of better ways to do projects.
Now that's something I'd only try for someone I REALLY love.
At 15:07 in the video, in my mind i saw a rose shaped candle holder project. I often start out with one thing and end up with something different than i intended.
I like how you showed trying something different when your original plan didn't work out. Sometimes it's easy to get stubborn when something is frustrating you, and it's also a good thing to be able to come up with different solutions and ideas to solve problems. Thanks for another great video.
Nice! I made one a few years ago, i saw Paul Zimmerman last rose on TH-cam and it looked like it was a good project, but it was a real challenge! So you did a great job!
When you were starting this I had no idea where you were going. Now near the end I can see it's complicated and very labor intensive but the results can be quite beautiful. 👍👍Thank you for sharing. Have a great day and stay safe.🙂🙂
I thoroughly enjoyed watching, thanks
Wow! 🙂
That turned out very beautiful. I saw so many roses similar to this one but until now I always made the stacked and riveted type ones, sometmes from copper. This Looks like a technique which requires high skill and a lot of experience.
Thank you for the videos John, you are the inspiration and teacher for so many of us.
I am always looking forward to your new projects. 🙂
All the best, from Hungary.
Thanks so much 😊
A labor of love John. You put so much into your work, even your test an learning pieces. We learn a lot too. Thanks.
Great effort John! I'm completely impressed that you didn't crack the leaves off right at that transition point that's a natural stress riser 🔥
I was certainly worried about doing just that
I made my original rose making each petal individually, punching a hole in the base of the petal and stacking them in the spiral. I like your one piece idea. I'll try it next.
You may try the Russian rose technique, still one solid piece and very fun to make
Fascinating project, for sure. In my High School days learning basic welding skills I made a few trinkets, and I still have most of them after 40 some years. Even something unperfect has beauty, or just to remind me I can do stuff. Keep up the good work, and thanks for doing these videos.
Awesome job John. Fascinated watching you work your magic to make the ROSE look so good. Thanks for sharing with us, keep up the good work, great videos, and have fun with you videos. Fred.
Thanks I've never seen this method..I have to give it a try. 👏💪
Wow. It works almost the same as a sheet metal rose, you just have to make the sheet metal yourself, in the most awkward way possible!
I was entirely unaware of this rose design, I only knew about the sheet metal one, and the ‘rolled’ design, which I’ve never seen an example of that ‘really’ looks great.
This one sure looks good, but seems to be an amazing amount of work!
Glad you enjoyed it
It still looks pretty nice....
Absolutely impressive john you truly are a master blacksmith i hope that i can reach your level someday. You have demonstrated some good potential problems that i think me/individuals should recreate just to learn other problem solving skills for their projects thank you as always and godbless.
Спасибо Вам за науку, Мастер! Благодаря Вам сегодняшнее утро не было прожито напрасно. Я не владею английским языком и не понимаю то,что Вы говорите, но Вы так хорошо всё показываете,что всё понятно без слов. Чувствуется, какой длинный Путь Вы прошли к мастерству. Простите,что пишу на русском языке, не рискую пользоваться гугл переводчиком, он часто переводит неправильно.
Awesome!
Thanks for the video.
You are welcome!
I appreciate you sharing this video. It’s been a challenge for me to learn when projects can’t be saved… you saying it makes me feel better about knowing it’s okay to scrap the piece and start over. Thank you for that.
Very inspiring indeed, of all the blacksmiths out there you are definitely my favorite. Always feels like I'm learning something and I love the never give up attitude. Keep up the great work!
I appreciate that!
See there? you are courageous! Thanks John!
Hello John
It looks like a Rose it is a very unique Rose so from my point of view the Projekt is a success.
Okay it dont smell like a Rose
From this point of it fails but two or three drops of Rose oil solve the problem 😉😉
Take care a good New week thank you for the Tips
Yours Frank Galetzka
We've recently bought a power hammer, so once I get extra time to myself, then I can have a bash at making this rose. It's an interesting technique you used, like drawing out those petals is just beautiful. What you are doing is hard graft, one which will cause your muscles to feel stiff later on. But this rose you forged is really beautiful! I realise I have a very long way to go, unlike my daughter who managed it well, likely better than I'll ever do. But I really do thank you for this splendid video. All the best and thank you very much! Wendi 🌻
Still a success anyway because you know what to do next time and it looks good
nice to have you back there jhon , i was missing my weekly blacksmith lessons :D :) :)
My goal for this year is one per month,, but hopefully more interesting projects that make better videos.
Very well done for what you were able to do for a first shot. I have never personally done that level of work in forging, though it would be very very nice to do so. Thank you very much for showing this build and putting it on video for us to see.
Very beautiful. Forge On. Weld On. Fab On keep Making. God Bless.
Hallo John a good Video and a nice project and it see simpel to do but there are many things that can be difficult! Thr bending and the thin materials makes it so difficult to work on! Always nice to watch your videos thanks! Have a good day see you on the next video👋🏻👋🏻
Thanks 👍
This is such funny timing. Just a few days ago, I was wondering if something like this was possible
Wow, Nope think i´ll just go buy some Roses at the flower shop ? Great Job Black Bear, See Ya
I think it turned out well I would like to see it finished out with leaves and thorns
Masterfully done, as always!
Another excellent video. I caught the early view on Patreon, and was surprised to see such a delicate end product being produced with so much sledgehammer work.
I love the thumbnail! That's amazing.
Thank you!
Phew! That was a lot of work.
Man, Thank you for all your videos, I find them very helpful and easy to follow along - I've come to rely on them for my various projects.
Glad to help
You hardy tool seems handy..
Great idea leaving the steel heavy with strength.
Sometimes back off and rethinking.
Still it's a challenge
Thanks for bringing me along Sir
That looked like heckuva workout! And all for naught! I know it happens but man! I think I’ll stick with the sheet metal version for a bit, yet. Incredible effort that ended up being great content.
great video dad, love you
Thanks for that. I need a lot more practice before I tackle a rose, love the outcome though.
Glad it was helpful!
That's a hammer !!
Thats a hole lot of work John . 👍🤠
Hello John! The rose already looks beautiful and must have cost many hours of work. Please write how long you had to work to get this effect. also include trials. I'm guessing 5-7 hours of work, but you're the master. I would like each creator to say how long the work lasted. Looks quick and easy on YT! All the best Master!
Its really hard to estimate hours of work on the actual project. There is so much time taken up dealing with cameras and lighting.
I started watching this video thinking “ wow how cool would this be to make!” But probably not a good first project 😅. I’ll go back to the key chains and hooks
Hi John that rose really looks like it could be a "Candle Holder" !!!!!!.
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It's always good to see pros make mistakes, ruin work and have to start again. So many videos only show the cut down, super edited, sped up, clean and fast method of achieving your goals, with happy music overlaid, as if it's easy. It makes you feel inferior when you try it, and find it's anything but.
You still made it look great in the end. Perhaps this technique is better suited to wrought iron?
Very nice. If you can force weld the leaves, would be great. Tx for all your videos!
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Thank you
Definitely a LOT of work. A new technique (to me) though, so it was definitely interesting to watch.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I think it's Shwartcoff's (sp) book showing making the circumferential cut deeper. Then when cutting the petals he cuts both layers and the twists the upper layer out of alignment to offset the petal layer. In any case just be glad your not attempting this with wrought iron😀
I'll have to see if I have that book
Great project John! As I was watching you try to deal with trying to upset the two disks evenly, a thought popped into my head that might possibly solve that problem. What about upsetting the mass into a disk and thin it out as far as you can, say 1/4”-5/16”, then cut it into two with a hacksaw or bandsaw?
That's a great idea!
I would probably have whaked it flat half way and stopped the camera 😂. Nice job keeping calm ☺️👍
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Think a box of chocolates would be much less work, but I admire your effort John. Can you move your arm and shoulder today?
I saw a potential candle holder in the begininng process when you folded up the top level pedels of the disk. could use the bottom as a drip cup....or maybe its just my mind seeing a project inside of a project lol I knew there was a way to do this with one piece...could i use 5/8 round bar if that is the thickest stock i have or do i need the exact steel mentioned here?
Nice project and educational but too much labor for me to make money.
I may attempt using 2 or 3 sheets of sheet metal or drawn out flat bar. Maybe have 2 or 3 different size forms to shape the flat pieces over before doing the final shaping around the rose head.
I understand the goal is to make it from 1 piece but anything on the stem will have to be added. There is also a lot of waste with the cutting and then the trimming of the pedals.
Again, good project and very custom but it's too much physical/time work for me to sell for a reasonable price..... perfect for the GF or Wife though. 👍
I see you using that A33 chisel a lot. How's it holding up so far? I got mine shaped this weekend, now to clean it up prior to heat treat.
Its holding up very well
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great job and beautiful rose!!! did you ever try a russian style rose? also one piece iron....
Not yet!
Quick question for you, since I’m new to all of this- I’m interested in doing some artsy-type projects, ones where ideally I’d like to do more sculpture-like pieces that would then be set upon a base. How would I go about forge welding a sculpted piece (like the rose) to a flat base piece without destroying the shape of what I just sculpted? I’ve watched several of your videos on forge welding functional tools, but I’m curious in terms of sculptures how that would work (without using a welding machine since I don’t have access to one currently).
Thanks!
The truth is I would be more inclined to drill the base then pass the stem through and mig weld from the back. But you could also create a tenon that is headed. Forge welding the stem to a heavy base would not be an easy thing to do.
@@BlackBearForge ok great, thanks for the info!
Good morning
Good morning Deryious
Morning
I wonder if the spiraling effect from using the chisel gives the finish product a more natural lokk.
The big problem was that it left some of the petals 1/4" thick
You say that the steel plate sucks the heat out while cutting the petals -- would it help to pre-warm the plate? Cheers!
Wow. A bold challenge. Too much for my tools.
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That is from www.forge-aprons.com/ I think there is a discount if you use the coupon code BBF
@Black Bear Forge Thank you very much!!!::))))
Would this have been easier to make two flat discs, shape the petals on each, and then forge weld the two discs in the center? Maybe that's the point and I missed it.
Yes, it's much easier to use that method. But this is the old way of doing forged roses and I had never tried this approach before
could you have made the discs seperate and then forge weld them together and then forge them onto the tip of the stem?
It is common to make the pieces separate. However they are usually riveted to the stem instead of forge welded. Here is a link to one done that way th-cam.com/video/DAOx1sv9VLE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=iNNY7cwmuXbdhJgi
Improvements?🤔 Longer petals.
well, thank goodness you edited out the cursing.lol
Should I call her….
Because she's beautiful like a rose, right?
... Right?
Way too much work for the result that could have been achieved the easier way but thank You for trying for the sake of your audience. Also, I would have used a stick welder for the crack to fix it and continue with the piece and no one would know at the end of the day, but I understand that some people might consider that unprofessional... Stay safe, I will look forward to Your future projects, John!
Just wondering how old you are ??
Not how you forge a one piece rose. Made lots of them live in front on a crowd
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