ALFRED AVENIR. The B TIER Experience!
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In this video I go over an Alfred Lyn Build to try to enable Alfred, and he just doesn't work out :)
Not sure if this build works on hard maps like this one but is different and I love difference. Not for nothing I use Etie as my main (and sometimes) unique archer, even though Alcryst exists.
In my last gameplay (with the company of my bf) we choosed Alfred as our main cavalier and I had the idea to build him full tanky with Ike and Gentility and it worked pretty good. With the combination of Ike's defensive skills, weapons and stats, the activation of Golden Lotus and Gentility and DEX food it is a machine of tank any kind of damage from many enemies on a row. Sometimes he lacks on RES and mages double him punishing a lot, but it can be resolved with a Pure Water and Chrom's Rally. I'm very proud of this B creation unit. 😚
Mommy, can we get a Great Knight.
No honey, we have Great Knight at home.
Great Knight at home.
I’m running Alfred Griffin Knight and General Diamant this time on my Maddening play through and both units are actually very solid, I’m on chapter 15 and the two have their uses and niches.
The novelty of Alfred is using wait and then dancing him for +2 STR. Slap a heavy high MT weapon on him or a Brave and he functions very well as a tank that can also dish out damage. He's slow but doesn't care. He often gets doubled but that's fine, he has high defense.
The onyl way I found to make Avenir work is to forego the speed and focus on pure tanking. I put Ike on him, gave him all the dracoshields, two Angelic Robes to maximise his phys def (because his res is cap at 19...), and some dex Books to proc his class kill. Then I gave him Lance Power 5 with a Silver Great Lance (like you) and Gentility+. It's basically a Louis, with some differences (he can get broken but has better res ; he doesn't have an armor weakness but the cavalry one), and with a lot more investment. But his passive kinda helps.
I found out that putting him on Griffin can be way better with a little bit of speed fixing (because he gains great bulk and decent attack on Avenir) + Lyn and Lance Power.
I'm gonna try out an edelgard (its the one DLC emblem I allow because you don't power level in the paralouges) Alfred build in my B team ironman run. In theory Edelgard should be perfect for Avenir because it gives strength, dex and defense and then Ill give him Lance power and either speed +5 or speedtaker. We will see how it goes
I only played hard mode with this, so i can experiment. So, this might not work on maddening. Here are some things that can work with alfred. Dlc helps him a lot. Also slayer weapons. Lots of bond needed. Here's what I've tried.
Divine Pulse+ (Byleth, bond 18) = 60% luck growth means he can hit a lot of the time even in avoid tiles. Which enables lots of things. With access to two weapon types, he can break most stuff easily. Axe emblems (lief, ike, hector and camilla) gives him complete access to the weapon triangle. Helps with his role as a breaker in player phase.
Lief = gives him access to the weapon triangle. Divine pulse+ helps with the shaky accuracy of the engage weapons. Adaptable allows him to switch which makes him unbreakable. Arms shield and golden lotus further reduces damage.
Lifesphere(++ bond 8, 14, 19) and Tiki = lifesphere works with his passive. Also removes poison. With tiki, geosphere boosts his defences.
Quick Riposte(+ bond 5, 16) and Hector = Divine pulse+ with quick riposte allows him to double and hit often. Lifesphere(++) helps in keeping access to quick riposte. Hector also gives him an axe which gives complete weapon triangle.
Keen Insight+ (Soren bond 9, 18)= downside is that besides keen insight, 0 synergy. However, if you give him slayer weapons, he'll start doing a lot of damage on player or enemy phase. Armorslayer, Ridersbane, Wyrmslayer or any non effective weapon with help from an enchanter to give him effective corrupted will start killing things. Like divine pulse, this helps a lot
Book of Worlds (Veronica bond 5) =cheap, also you wait a lot to trigger his passive. Lifesphere keeps your hp up. Stage 1 freezes a target. At least you freeze a target every other turn, with a dancer, every turn.
I recommend leif, silver greatlance, steel blade, wrath and speed +5. It still B tier, but does decent chip, tanks decent, and Leif often isnt as contested.
But Tiki is the way to go. Even without the starsphere, it helps him alot, and with starsphere it solves pretty much all his issues.
Hector also does alright
Im using alfred for one of my current runs. And i think that hes one of the units who get the most out of using tiki on avenir. The buffs to his growths are nice, but the real benefit has been his ability to wall most things that come his way with the +5 to all stats and +10 to health keep him from gettong doubled and keep him healthy.
My alfreds been a little strength screwed(random growths, im a gambling girl) so tiki having acess to some higher might weapons has also been very helpful in having him counter for big damage.
Lifesphere also helps him suatain if he needs to without using a healers turn and it also has synergy with his personal.
Lightsphere pretty much guarantees he wont get crit as he already has high luck, tiki fixes his hit rate with her large bonus. And flame breath slaps. He gets so much from her. Sure other units might use her better but he gets so much from her that if youre using avenir, you should consider it
Yeah dlc generally makes things easier. But do agree if using dlc definitely slap tiki on Alfred. He definitely needs it
DLC makes anyone good
@@minortatu3311 I really like how reductive people get when anyone talks about the dlc. I'm talking about how he gets more from using one dlc ring than other units and you reply with "hurr durr of course everyone gets better with dlc." That's not even entirely true. God please say something of substance
@@lunasperidot8760 It's not rEduCtiVe, it's a whole different ball park. Playing the game with DLC isn't the same as playing the game without DLC, same way this game pre well is completely different to this game post well. No one would scratch their head over what to do with Alfred if DLC was a part of the equation
@@minortatu3311 to be fair they aren't wrong. Early game units specifically make better use of Tiki than lat game units.
Tiki providing up to 6 extra stats over time with Starsphere if you give it to a level 1-6 unit is stronger than Starsphere giving a late game unit only 2 stats.
And I agree Alfred specifically has good Synergy with Tiki. You don't even need to specifically inherit Starsphere, just give him Lance Power, and Canter early while just leaving Tiki on him.
The problem with Alfred is that at level 10 his stats look like Vander's who has already fallen off. He needs stat boosters to catch him up to Amber's starting line or switch him to a class that specializes his growths.
Avanir is probably a class to end in, just not to grow in.
The problem is Avenirs growths are barely better than his starting class at noble.
So Alfred comes to you as a level 5 "Noble."
So Alfred on Noble: (including his personal growths+class modifiers for both)
80% HP.
60% Defense.
55% Luck.
55% strength.
45% SPD.
40% dex.
25% res.
Alfred on Avenir:
80% HP(unchanged.)
65% Defense(+0.5)
60% Luck(+0.5)
55% Strength (Unchanged)
50% SPD(+0.5)
40% Dex(unchanged)
25% Res (unchanged)
So unless you really want to spend a master seal on the inconsistency that is Golden Lotus, your better off just benching or second sealing Alfred.
They want to make him an enemy phase Tank but he's not doing that great at it unless you opt for Great Knight. Which you might as well since his base 6 speed isn't gonna solve itself until way later in the campaign where your given better units.
That's a wrap for me and my findings.
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I knew I needed to do SOMETHING to fix my Alfred so I actually gave him Marth from the early game so that I could get him Break Defense so that he is guaranteed a second hit as long as I break the opponent. And then when I lost Marth, I gave him Ike to fix his Def🤔
7:55 I've used him with Hector + Lifesphere from Tiki and he works pretty well as that. If you wanna make an off-tank into a more functional tank I thing Hector is pretty good with that
Edit: As an Avenir
the madness over this character..."spoilers"even the ending kill him off, the story gers rid of him
I don’t remember if you’ve ever actually said anywhere, but with the Well and everything else in the game now, how much SP can you kinda expect to see on average per unit? Or how much SP from books can you expect to get in total if you’re T3 or T4 well-ing consistently?
You get around 700 SP per T4 well on average, so just multiply that by the number of missions/paralogues you will be doing
Yeah, Lance Paladin would likely be better than Avenir for a build like this. Or any build for him in general.
I've put Alfred into Halberdier and it's way better.
^^^this he's actually pretty good on Halberdier
Yeah... Alfred is all right at early game tanking if you give him a touch of extra speed so he doesn't get doubled. But he's awful beyond that.
Avenir is just not worth. Go GK for tank, go pally if you want more speed. Avenir fails at both and ends up sucking. IMO Alfred isn't exactly great and he isn't helping the situation.
I wish Golden Lotus was better because it is very interesting. The proc rate is just too low be reliable.
Wolf Knight Alfred is a lot of fun though :D
Again, i challenge the idea of putting Weapon Power skills on tanks.
On my maddening run where Alfred was my main tank he used Lyn with Pair Up and Resolve.
His main weapons were Byleth Killer Lance+4, and Javelin+4 until i switched him to Alear Spear+3. He also used Eirika Ridersbane+4 as needed, and also carried Silver Sword+1 and Steel Blade.
On my current run, he is lv11/20/5 after ch20 (still have to do Celica's paralogue), and for the time being he is using Lachesis B ring (he will be using Leif for endgame but atm Etie is borrowing Leif while Vander is borrowing Sigurd). His inherits are spd+3 and Resolve+.
His main weapon this time is Byleth Ridersbane+4. He carries Killer Lance+2 in case he needs a lighter weapon, and also carries Javelin, Armorslayer+3, and Steel Sword.
I didn't want to give him Lyn or Pair Up this time, but Resolve+ and Arms Shield++ make for great dmg mitigation while he's using Leif.
If the tanks can perform their job consistently/double they can always 1 round, even great weapon tanks benefit from power skills to hit 1 taps
@@IcedCoffeeGaming my Alfred focused on dmg mitigation and was often my map mvp (it most often bounced between him, Boucheron, and Clanne, who were my three main tank units). In most combat situations, even only hitting once, Alfred did more dmg to his enemy than his enemy did to him hitting twice.
Tanks with builds that focus on dmg output tank less effectively.
My Alfred avenir was literally just build Sigurd charge and do super effective momentum Lance power overrides as chip so I could one round. I actually has some insanely long overrides using dragon veins to manipulate enemy movement but overall he was very underwhelming
I had mine on warrior and then switched to avenir as an ike tank and he was the mvp with canononeer boucheron but that’s dlc ig
That pronunciation of Represailles killed me
If it killed you, how are you typing ?
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@@IcedCoffeeGamingi think he's playing casual mode 🤔
The problem with this class is that it's a Lesser Great Knight for no reason.
They made Golden Lotus proc off his Dex which is one of his lowest growths at 35% which is dumb, and to add insult to injury: Avenirs Dex is capped at 32. So you only got about a 1/3 chance of it proccing which isn't reliable.
It's Great Knight without the weakness to armor effectiveness.
He still ends up with pretty high def, so he doesn't rely on Golden Lotus to tank. It's just a nice bonus for him. That 1/3 chance is plenty for his needs.
@@shannonjones8877 Great knight is classified as Calvary in game, not armored. So I'm pretty sure there's no difference.
@@Andigames235 the difference is Great Knight is weak to armor effective weapons while Avenir is not.
@@shannonjones8877That isn’t really that much of a benefit.
Yeah i tried ike at first because golden lotus and laguz friend would ve overpowered but he gets doubled for alot of damage. It definitely sucks. Definitely need to feed him dracoshield. Not fair to measure lance users against armoured. Timmera cant do anything to them either unless she sandstorms. Thanks for this cuz my royal only run is in chapter 17. Now i see my alfred lyn build is not going to hold up at all. If lyn doesn't fix his problems idk what will
Alfred is better then his own dad i guess his dad is horrible
He has too many issues Imho.. his stats are just bad, especially Speed and Build, but also to an extent STR and Dex. His passive is RNG based damage reduction which is even worse than something like Sol which is RNG based healing. You could argue he needs speed fixing but I don't know if even that can save him.
There's no fixing his speed unless you intend to keep him on something like Griffin Knight thanks to it's good speed modifier.
His base speed being at 6 hurts him so bad.
Hahahaha no way you put Lyn!Etie in the same tier as this
Avenir can EP on Lyn, Etie cannot
@@IcedCoffeeGaming "EP on Lyn" isn't a thing. You don't EP with Anna!Lyn too. Alacrity, Astra Storm, Body Doubles, but for you it's an EP Emblem? Sorry but getting 3shoted in Enemy Phase isn't better than just one turn everything in Player Phase.
If you want to EP, you're better using Sigurd, Ike, Roy or Leif (or even Corrin I guess), not wasting Lyn on an unit that can't One Turn.
@@lacaserne9924I mean a large margin of the time Lyn Anna is the bonded shield target, not the best example, the difference is that being able to be 1-2 range instead of 2 locked makes this an option at all
@@dankmeimes4274 You could just an axe, or even a tomahawk if you want 1-2 range with Bonded Shield. And Anna don't really profit from Astra Storm too, Etie is one of the best Astra Storm user. I'm not saying that Etie!Lyn is better than Anna, I'm just saying that Etie!Lyn is better than this weak Alfred who can't one round nor tank very well.
And you know what is an unit that can't 1 range or 1-2 range? Alcryst. And he put Alcryst one tier above Etie as a Lyn user while having much more strenght issue and less speed issues than Warrior!Etie.@@dankmeimes4274
Yeah idk how you can call that B tier. Heavy investment, no great returns. That's just bad honestly
Tbf hero enemies in engage are just borring stat dumps that the game throws at you to deal with 2 or more units