Genuinely one of my favourite episodes, I loved how you just let Dr.Olshin go on basically uninterrupted. He was extremely interesting and I wish more people like him posted their lectures, I could listen to him for multiple hours, the level of knowledge and experience he has is palpable. 10/10
As someone who has a PhD, fell out of love with my area of research, you bring me back to learning. I can't praise your research or teaching style enough.
I agree 💯, particularly since there are no other deposition layers with EITHER: the same fucked ratio of carbon 13 v carbon 14 OR the radioactivity of post nuclear bomb world. We would need to measure similar levels of pollution in those ways or a way that could show high energy output over a short period. And we HAVE found evidence of nuclear reactors that were naturally formed and self sustaining on at least 1 occasion, but it wasn't likely to have been harnessed in anyway
Between the guests’ own book, the Bronze Age lecture, and the book about ancient Chinese technology I came away with a lot of cool stuff to get into. Thanks.
When I heard Roanoke Tales/Lore Lodge Possible collab, my brain just exploded. THIS MUST HAPPEN! Love both of you guys, seeing in the same place, legendary.
I've been watching random episodes recently while at work, and this is by far the best one. It's super informative and stays relatively on topic. No dogs howling and messing up the audio, no random tangents, no interruptions from unrelated super chats, no beating the "-ussy" meme into the ground. I wish this podcast was more like this.
Hey Daddy Aidan, do I recall correctly one day some time ago you said you have in plans doing another podcast with Manyminuteman, Milo about this great lenghty research you've done on ancient apocalypse and adjacent things to it? Can I ask when are you planning to do it? Maybe hitting the iron while it's still pretty warm would be a great idea counting in there is still much talk about Ancient apocalypse? I would really really enjoy podcast like that. Thank you for everything you're doing and for reigniting my interest in us history, I love you guys. Thank you from the deepest part of my heart
I just want to remind about Graham Hancock's budget. The millions were paid by producers to make entertainment. If they went for a dig with those millions, they could risk capone's vault. Netflix would never allow that risk even if he wanted a dig
I 100% agree these professor's should do TH-cam that'd be really cool to hear that. I love to listen to educational stuff. Also I don't think we'll ever know the truth about ancient people or technology it's just the way it is
Don't forget Joseph Campbell. He was enormously popular because he validated almost everyone and could explain some very complex matters in a direct way.
I take issue with this. I am a trained engineer, I get that training is helpful. But you talk about these things like you can train FACTS into someone. The idea that there is only one way to skin a cat, and that's holy academy's way. That's the point people rail against. I do appreciate that you aren't belligerent about it, and I get where your coming from. But I do think saying, "only people who had the truth trained into them" is a terrible outlook on this research. Most advancements in the academy came from people proving them wrong, by NOT using their methods. Just keep that in mind. Love the shows and channels!
Sometimes it's exactly the training that keeps people from making discovery in the first place. There is a log of weight in that SOMETIMES. flat earth people use this same logic, and not everyone is Galileo clearly. Just something to think on, people tend to use their academy rank to shut down discussion. PHD doesn't really matter to most people anymore, because it's used so often to shut people down. It's context is no longer "smant man" and instead "arrogant man".
Exactly. It had a lot of the same methods as people in religion use in saying on the Bible actually means this in this way. it's interpretation. This was really smug arrogant episode.
It seems obvious to me that humanity could have figured out science and technology at multiple different points through history, considering we are only 400 years removed from Galileo and the start of the age of reason, perhaps it could have happened before thousands of years ago.
Love how you can approach these subjects with objectivity, respect, and a healthy skepticism. There were some folks going wild in Friday's comments (idk why I expected any different from a YT comment section) that were just completely bought in to Hancock or Mini-man... it was really cool to see how many Lore Lodge commenters were published archeologists! lol
Mini man barely did any research on Graham. Aidens arguments against Grahams claims were WAY more flushed out than his and he’s not even an archaeologist lol.
One thing I hope ya'll eventually do is research Scheria, to me probably what helped inspired Atlantis- there's also Pankhaia I think its called that sorta wild. Another is the weird mentioning over and over of pale/fair/or gray skin, human but not human (superhuman abilities, demihuman features, etc), ability to possibly use unknown magic or tech or both, association with the moon, and so on. Phaecia, another name for Scheria, is possibly named after a part-giant, part demigod *son of Poseidon* founder whose name seemingly meant "gray one" in regards to this. It could be though another way for the people of Scheria to explain their origins, a mythic patriarch like other Greek dynasties and tribes, and that they are the Gray Ones for some peculiar reason. (Gray hair from dying it for some reason, gray eyes, gray skin, got covered in gray soot, painted themselves with gray paint, metaphor for being annoying smart like Athena, number of possibilities if such an interpretation is indeed plausible.) But reason I mentioned it is they did have "fast as hawks/falcon" ships, ones that makes me think of speedboats but like you all mentioned here could be just Homer complementing there ships. But then again their ships being turned to stone or sinking like rocks make me think of a speedboat dead in the water if you will. I honestly think though we aren't alone out in the world, and that whatever lurks in the woods or mountains or far-off isles in our oceans is either a science experiment, or a few, gone wrong, or what remains of some advanced "homo sapiens potens" if you will. Cause there's too many wacky things that either stem from what scared the shit out of us way back in the day, or for some people or thing that still does. Even gray aliens feel like a weird monsterization or demonization of whatever these beings are. Cause its easier to swallow if something is alien alien, rather than an alien human. Plus be funnier in a Cat Planet Cuties kinda way if all of a sudden "Oh yeah aliens are real and pretty human like." Plus if there are humanoids who say, had golden eyes like animals, gray/pale skin that reminds one of a corpse, and stark or snow white hair...yeah I'd be getting tf out even if they were super friendly and just wanted to talk about their lord and savior the moon-goddess.
When you mentioned floods 6-7ka before present, I immediately thought of Doggerland. If you haven’t heard of it, it’s an entire part of Europe flooded by the North Sea.
I hear Dr. Olshin speaking about hermeneutics. It makes me think about the relationship between the layperson and the academic the same way that I see the relationship between classical mechanics. Because each layperson engages passionately, they feel more Newtonian. But for the academic who has fully transitioned to an intellectual state, energy cannot be simply transferred. The full path integral must be calculated. It's Heisenberg.
Aiden I don’t think you get enough credit for your research ability and methodology. You were able to raise far better and more coherent arguments for and against Graham than your previous guest Milo was, and archeology isn’t even your specialty. Also, thank you for putting to rest the nonsense white supremacist narrative about him as well. Amazing work.
How do people here feel about the UnchartedX channel? I used to find it captivating and compelling, untill i started finding critiques and refutations of what Ben presents. I still look at the subject of lost ancient civilizations with an open mind, but find myself very wary of most speaking on this front.
Can we get an episode on the susquehannock Indians true history and the significance of the susquehanna river. The susquehannock were the most feared and powerful tribe among all the east coast nations yet we are told almost nothing about them, even here in central Pennsylvania. The written accounts of the people who came here first from Europe all describe exactly as I already said as well as being responsible for selling New York to the Dutch. Also mentioned as being extremely large. Completely reshaped the landscape for agriculture as well as having a sort of constitution that oddly resembles what ours became.
maybe this is too broad a question for a youtube comment (and hopefully it makes sense) but when you see similar subjects and motifs at what point can we say these are cross cultural similarities from contact or experience or just a similar myth as a coincidence? can we see the difference clearly or do we have to discern methodically and use best judgement on whether theyre connected? such as all the mentions of flying vehicles and where they may come from (a single source or just by chance)
Somethings and concepts are just universal from symbols to mythology like vampires. I think the average person dwells too much on somethings from ancient people.
If it’s a basic concept, like “flood myth” or “pyramid” or “spiral-shaped symbol,” then it’s virtually guaranteed that it’s a coincidence. Actual shared concepts are highly specific in both form and substance. For example, a lot of cultures have myths about floods, because floods are a natural disaster that people in every environment except the high desert experience. The Mesopotamians had several versions of a flood story in which the gods decide to destroy the earth via a flood, so a human builds a huge boat (described in detail) and fills it with animals to repopulate the earth. The description of the giant boat is almost identical to the description of Noah’s ark, and one version of the human’s name may have been pronounced “Noah” in Palestine. The dates of the versions of Mesopotamian flood myths and the Jewish flood myth overlap, and the cultures were in contact. It’s a clear case of cultural transmission. Another example: Pillars are a basic building structure that cultures discovered independently. The idea of decorating pillars, especially by pulling extra decoration at the top, is also basic and discovered independently. However, the specific styles of decoration are spread through cultural transfer.
In the case of flying vehicles, a) many instances aren’t flying vehicles at all-that’s a modern reinterpretation, and b) the concepts of flying, vehicles, and gods or heroes doing impossible things are universal. It’s the same reasons talking animals, people turning into animals and animals turning into people, extraordinary strength, the ability to predict the future, and the ability to control the forces of nature are common in stories around the world. We just fixate on flying vehicles because it’s one of the few magical elements that became reality.
@MrJones the other day I watched a video where they were talking about ancient flying machines. Ancient people 5000-12000 years ago were still modern people. Why can't parts of stores, having flying machines, just because they thought it would be cool. Or they just like how somethings looked.
48:03 I disagree. If we don't know, then how can it be wrong to speculate? To present speculation as fact, sure, that's wrong and lots of people do it, but I say speculation is fine as long as one makes it clear that one is speculating. At the end of this podcast, I kinda felt that you two were simultaneously putting Hancock down, but then your discussion essentially backed up much of what he says, That there are gaps in our knowledge and that there have been landmasses that are now beneath the ocean and there are correlating myths and legends that reflect something that humanity shared as a real experience. Heck guys, take a look at Doggerland! later in the vid you do a fair bit of speculating yourselves, so...there you go.
You're mixing up speculation and conjecture. Speculation is using the present information to come to a loose theorized conclusion. Conjecture is presenting said theory as more factual than it is, often by manipulation or misinformation.
1:17:00 what is the title of this documentary he was talking about? I cant see it on my phone... Nevermind i think i got it, for interested: aftermatch- population zero
I will say for the trade example I would push back and say that I see more in relation with electricians where how we wire a house is different than how they wire a house in other nations and the professional will wire differently than a "layperson" but the effectiveness is shown in does it work. Or auto repair where you can have a mechanic with all sorts of degrees and certifications yet the hillbilly down the road can fix your car just as well with a tin can and a welder....
I've always believed, even before the internet, that there were civilisations before us stretching way back. I have no evidence just a gut feeling. Could you please do a video on the legends that there was a time before the moon was in the sky. That would be fantastic thank you.
That sounds interesting, but it’s impossible for people to have existed before the creation of the Moon. The Moon was created out of the collision between the Earth and a roughly Mars-sized planet called Theia about 4.5 billion years ago. At the time the Earth was still molten, so there was nothing living on it. It took almost another billion years for the Earth to become livable and for the first life forms to appear.
The Hopi's Kachina's were flesh and blood, looked like you and I "GODS" from another galaxy that they flew too in ships. THey used diff. ships for crossing water. This "ship" that flew out of the galaxy is said to go so fast they could leave here and arrive there in an instant. The Alton, Illinois "Thousands of yrs. old Native American Dragon" painted on a sheer cliff along the Mississippi River. It's since been destroyed in the 19th century, but written about and sketched by explorers in the 1600s. It looks really really similar to a griffen, but it's claimed to have been a man eater. The Illini Tribe I think it was them, would shoot arrows at it as they passed by lol. There's been comparisons to the Japanese Dragon. Read all this on Ancient Pages.
I like you guys. I don't agree with your religious positions, but you do great research. Why oh why can't you edit out the stand by bits before posting you podcasts? Once about 30 seconds go by with dead air, I'm out. Even if I skip ahead to the real beginning, I'm already miffed that you think it's fine to waste my time because it feels you can't be bothered to clip out that before posting.
The Khazarian empire likely made it to the North Americas, which explains why some North American natives have linguistic and genetic similarities to the Turkish
No. The Khazars never made it past the Caspian Sea. The Native Americans’ ancestors migrated from East Asia tens of thousands of years before the Khazars ever even existed. The Khazars are a specific Turkic ethnic group, they aren’t just all north eastern Asians.
Characterizing the argument that Atlantis is an invention of Plato as him going "I'm just going to make this shit up to mess with people 2000 years from now" is kind of disingenuous. The argument is that he invented it as a parable to demonstrate a philosophical point about society and statesmanship, using "yeah I know a guy whose great-grandfather told his son these stories about stories he heard from a guy who travelled to Egypt, and the son then told the stories on to HIS ten year old grandson when he was ninety" as a framing device.
He probably won't respond with the wording you're expecting. I'm curious as well bc he uh.. .pretty well has blasted out loud a portion of things he shouldn't have.
@@bri0013 I'd also really like to know what he's let go that isn't already online and pretty easily found if you're looking for information. Also, Bri, how old is your grandmother if you're going to be making these claims?
Number 1, all 4 of my Grandparents are deceased, and number 2, in the video where him and his partner take that Camaro to New York to look into that old hunter that disappeared 411 style, he's LITERALLY wearing a Freemason shirt when his partner pulls into his apartment complex! He's conveniently wearing a different shirt when they take off, though...So, that's why I'm asking Chief!
@@brianwebber6996_ROADHUNTERmaybe he didn't want to answer questions about it while there recording stuff. I know if I saw someone with a freemasons shirt I would wonder what they were up to lol
Fact based evidence is great, but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I cant stand the idea of methods and sighting sources. Those type people are pseudo intellectuals who need to be told what to think. They dont see it that way obviously but if you cant speculate based off observations or other evidence but not always source or agree with commonly accepted theories or ideas that is the opposite of actual science and what it is to be intelligent. Imagination and speculation can be extremely important when being innovative or pushing ideas and understanding of "things".
" but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" Yes it is. If someone tells me unicorns exist but neither they nor anyone else can't produce evidence, why should I take any other position than "unicorns don't exist"?
While I completely understand that everyone is free to have their own opinions, but we have a historian and a literalist criticizing a researcher (that claims no branch, but has ACTUALLY been to these locations) about engineering, architecture and geology, that have no real experience in the topic in question. You in fact create your own hypothetical reasoning to your own conclusions. 🤔
Please watch the video we put out Friday. Graham gets a number of things completely wrong which have nothing to do with actually going to the location.
@@TheLoreLodge best take on grahams work ive seen so far. Cant wait to see your take on the other episodes. So many people that talk about grahams work come off as so arrogant that its impossible to even listen to what they have to say.
Genuinely one of my favourite episodes, I loved how you just let Dr.Olshin go on basically uninterrupted. He was extremely interesting and I wish more people like him posted their lectures, I could listen to him for multiple hours, the level of knowledge and experience he has is palpable. 10/10
As someone who has a PhD, fell out of love with my area of research, you bring me back to learning. I can't praise your research or teaching style enough.
Wow, thank you!
I just LOvE watching people argue in the comments, makes the videos even better
I think ancient people just had technology that we didnt expect them to have. Nothing more advanced than we have now.
I agree 💯, particularly since there are no other deposition layers with EITHER: the same fucked ratio of carbon 13 v carbon 14 OR the radioactivity of post nuclear bomb world. We would need to measure similar levels of pollution in those ways or a way that could show high energy output over a short period.
And we HAVE found evidence of nuclear reactors that were naturally formed and self sustaining on at least 1 occasion, but it wasn't likely to have been harnessed in anyway
Nothing more advanced than we have now…
@@davidscott6567 yeah cause there are people that think ancient people had crazy advanced tech that surpasses ours now.
They had robot vacuums
Where’s your evidence for that statement?
Between the guests’ own book, the Bronze Age lecture, and the book about ancient Chinese technology I came away with a lot of cool stuff to get into. Thanks.
When I heard Roanoke Tales/Lore Lodge Possible collab, my brain just exploded. THIS MUST HAPPEN!
Love both of you guys, seeing in the same place, legendary.
Reached out to him today!
I've been watching random episodes recently while at work, and this is by far the best one. It's super informative and stays relatively on topic. No dogs howling and messing up the audio, no random tangents, no interruptions from unrelated super chats, no beating the "-ussy" meme into the ground.
I wish this podcast was more like this.
What a great guy to have on the show, look forward to Roanoke Tales Collab!
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THESE NEED TO BE TOP COMMENT EVERY TIME PEOPLE COME ON
Not all heroes wear capes
Idk why they couldn’t bother to shave off the first two minutes. It takes little time to make a simple edit 😅
@@jalene150 It's a livestream.
@@GrandMasterEzio1800 Get revanced
Got a bonus from work. Gonna buy a hardcover of thus gentleman's book. Sounds up my alley.
Hey Daddy Aidan, do I recall correctly one day some time ago you said you have in plans doing another podcast with Manyminuteman, Milo about this great lenghty research you've done on ancient apocalypse and adjacent things to it? Can I ask when are you planning to do it? Maybe hitting the iron while it's still pretty warm would be a great idea counting in there is still much talk about Ancient apocalypse? I would really really enjoy podcast like that.
Thank you for everything you're doing and for reigniting my interest in us history, I love you guys. Thank you from the deepest part of my heart
We did it a couple months back actually! Go take a look at March 12th I think
I just want to remind about Graham Hancock's budget.
The millions were paid by producers to make entertainment. If they went for a dig with those millions, they could risk capone's vault.
Netflix would never allow that risk even if he wanted a dig
This was great to listen to! I cant wait foe you guys to have another conversation just like this one. Keep up the good work! Salute from Uruguay.
Now I want to see Aiden do a video if not a series of videos on the apparent “true” version of the Spanish Inquisition.
I 100% agree these professor's should do TH-cam that'd be really cool to hear that. I love to listen to educational stuff. Also I don't think we'll ever know the truth about ancient people or technology it's just the way it is
I could watch episodes like this all day long.
Don't forget Joseph Campbell. He was enormously popular because he validated almost everyone and could explain some very complex matters in a direct way.
The ability to simplify incredibly complex subjects is a gift unto itself, and he was already an enormously gifted man.
I'm partial to Bruce Campbell. Hail to the king, baby.
Age of empires gold edition was my first game addiction 😂
Your guest was amazing.
I take issue with this. I am a trained engineer, I get that training is helpful. But you talk about these things like you can train FACTS into someone. The idea that there is only one way to skin a cat, and that's holy academy's way. That's the point people rail against.
I do appreciate that you aren't belligerent about it, and I get where your coming from. But I do think saying, "only people who had the truth trained into them" is a terrible outlook on this research. Most advancements in the academy came from people proving them wrong, by NOT using their methods. Just keep that in mind.
Love the shows and channels!
Sometimes it's exactly the training that keeps people from making discovery in the first place. There is a log of weight in that SOMETIMES. flat earth people use this same logic, and not everyone is Galileo clearly.
Just something to think on, people tend to use their academy rank to shut down discussion. PHD doesn't really matter to most people anymore, because it's used so often to shut people down. It's context is no longer "smant man" and instead "arrogant man".
Exactly. It had a lot of the same methods as people in religion use in saying on the Bible actually means this in this way. it's interpretation. This was really smug arrogant episode.
It seems obvious to me that humanity could have figured out science and technology at multiple different points through history, considering we are only 400 years removed from Galileo and the start of the age of reason, perhaps it could have happened before thousands of years ago.
Love how you can approach these subjects with objectivity, respect, and a healthy skepticism. There were some folks going wild in Friday's comments (idk why I expected any different from a YT comment section) that were just completely bought in to Hancock or Mini-man... it was really cool to see how many Lore Lodge commenters were published archeologists! lol
Cool?! Ever been to Orkney? Whole bloody island's a published archeologist!
Mini man barely did any research on Graham. Aidens arguments against Grahams claims were WAY more flushed out than his and he’s not even an archaeologist lol.
One thing I hope ya'll eventually do is research Scheria, to me probably what helped inspired Atlantis- there's also Pankhaia I think its called that sorta wild. Another is the weird mentioning over and over of pale/fair/or gray skin, human but not human (superhuman abilities, demihuman features, etc), ability to possibly use unknown magic or tech or both, association with the moon, and so on. Phaecia, another name for Scheria, is possibly named after a part-giant, part demigod *son of Poseidon* founder whose name seemingly meant "gray one" in regards to this. It could be though another way for the people of Scheria to explain their origins, a mythic patriarch like other Greek dynasties and tribes, and that they are the Gray Ones for some peculiar reason. (Gray hair from dying it for some reason, gray eyes, gray skin, got covered in gray soot, painted themselves with gray paint, metaphor for being annoying smart like Athena, number of possibilities if such an interpretation is indeed plausible.) But reason I mentioned it is they did have "fast as hawks/falcon" ships, ones that makes me think of speedboats but like you all mentioned here could be just Homer complementing there ships. But then again their ships being turned to stone or sinking like rocks make me think of a speedboat dead in the water if you will.
I honestly think though we aren't alone out in the world, and that whatever lurks in the woods or mountains or far-off isles in our oceans is either a science experiment, or a few, gone wrong, or what remains of some advanced "homo sapiens potens" if you will. Cause there's too many wacky things that either stem from what scared the shit out of us way back in the day, or for some people or thing that still does. Even gray aliens feel like a weird monsterization or demonization of whatever these beings are. Cause its easier to swallow if something is alien alien, rather than an alien human. Plus be funnier in a Cat Planet Cuties kinda way if all of a sudden "Oh yeah aliens are real and pretty human like."
Plus if there are humanoids who say, had golden eyes like animals, gray/pale skin that reminds one of a corpse, and stark or snow white hair...yeah I'd be getting tf out even if they were super friendly and just wanted to talk about their lord and savior the moon-goddess.
...Cat Planet Cuties?
Huh?
Edit - nevermind, regrettably, I googled it.
You’re a TH-cam icon and some of my favorite content consistently comes from this channel , keep it up A Dog
Thank you!
1:42:12 Fabulous podcast- thanks!
Absolutely outstanding episode. ❤ Terrific conversation.
I really enjoyed this convo!
When you mentioned floods 6-7ka before present, I immediately thought of Doggerland. If you haven’t heard of it, it’s an entire part of Europe flooded by the North Sea.
That appears to have been more of a gradual process
@@TheLoreLodge mostly it was, but there was also a major tsunami from Norway that affected the area.
It wouldn't take significant changes to impact plant growth/agriculture. A few bad storms at the wrong time and there goes your food for the year.
36:56 Would love to hear more about that view screen!
Absolutely agree
I hear Dr. Olshin speaking about hermeneutics. It makes me think about the relationship between the layperson and the academic the same way that I see the relationship between classical mechanics. Because each layperson engages passionately, they feel more Newtonian. But for the academic who has fully transitioned to an intellectual state, energy cannot be simply transferred. The full path integral must be calculated. It's Heisenberg.
Aiden I don’t think you get enough credit for your research ability and methodology. You were able to raise far better and more coherent arguments for and against Graham than your previous guest Milo was, and archeology isn’t even your specialty. Also, thank you for putting to rest the nonsense white supremacist narrative about him as well. Amazing work.
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lol
You are the best competition for that "other guy" , the one on the history channel who never washes his shirt.
Okay now I need to know who you're talking about
How do people here feel about the UnchartedX channel? I used to find it captivating and compelling, untill i started finding critiques and refutations of what Ben presents. I still look at the subject of lost ancient civilizations with an open mind, but find myself very wary of most speaking on this front.
Could you make video about reality about this whole Spanish inquisitionl/torture thing?
I can't wait for your next topics. Unimaginably interesting shit
Can we get an episode on the susquehannock Indians true history and the significance of the susquehanna river. The susquehannock were the most feared and powerful tribe among all the east coast nations yet we are told almost nothing about them, even here in central Pennsylvania. The written accounts of the people who came here first from Europe all describe exactly as I already said as well as being responsible for selling New York to the Dutch. Also mentioned as being extremely large. Completely reshaped the landscape for agriculture as well as having a sort of constitution that oddly resembles what ours became.
Ben's the man!!!!
1:38:45
That's how Drumheller happened. It was a coal town & then they found dinosaurs.
I’m ten minutes in and this is great
You should look into what this hunter did, named Steve Rinella when he wanted to make a show. He's made at least 10 seasons now if I remember right.
Aiden needs a tv show
maybe this is too broad a question for a youtube comment (and hopefully it makes sense) but when you see similar subjects and motifs at what point can we say these are cross cultural similarities from contact or experience or just a similar myth as a coincidence? can we see the difference clearly or do we have to discern methodically and use best judgement on whether theyre connected? such as all the mentions of flying vehicles and where they may come from (a single source or just by chance)
Somethings and concepts are just universal from symbols to mythology like vampires. I think the average person dwells too much on somethings from ancient people.
Some knowledge will be self evident, although each civilization will come to it in disimilar ways.
If it’s a basic concept, like “flood myth” or “pyramid” or “spiral-shaped symbol,” then it’s virtually guaranteed that it’s a coincidence. Actual shared concepts are highly specific in both form and substance. For example, a lot of cultures have myths about floods, because floods are a natural disaster that people in every environment except the high desert experience. The Mesopotamians had several versions of a flood story in which the gods decide to destroy the earth via a flood, so a human builds a huge boat (described in detail) and fills it with animals to repopulate the earth. The description of the giant boat is almost identical to the description of Noah’s ark, and one version of the human’s name may have been pronounced “Noah” in Palestine. The dates of the versions of Mesopotamian flood myths and the Jewish flood myth overlap, and the cultures were in contact. It’s a clear case of cultural transmission.
Another example: Pillars are a basic building structure that cultures discovered independently. The idea of decorating pillars, especially by pulling extra decoration at the top, is also basic and discovered independently. However, the specific styles of decoration are spread through cultural transfer.
In the case of flying vehicles, a) many instances aren’t flying vehicles at all-that’s a modern reinterpretation, and b) the concepts of flying, vehicles, and gods or heroes doing impossible things are universal. It’s the same reasons talking animals, people turning into animals and animals turning into people, extraordinary strength, the ability to predict the future, and the ability to control the forces of nature are common in stories around the world. We just fixate on flying vehicles because it’s one of the few magical elements that became reality.
@MrJones the other day I watched a video where they were talking about ancient flying machines. Ancient people 5000-12000 years ago were still modern people. Why can't parts of stores, having flying machines, just because they thought it would be cool. Or they just like how somethings looked.
Listening from the ukwales❤
I can't find the link for his book
Locals call Gudong Padang is an inactive volcano… is it not??
48:03 I disagree. If we don't know, then how can it be wrong to speculate? To present speculation as fact, sure, that's wrong and lots of people do it, but I say speculation is fine as long as one makes it clear that one is speculating.
At the end of this podcast, I kinda felt that you two were simultaneously putting Hancock down, but then your discussion essentially backed up much of what he says, That there are gaps in our knowledge and that there have been landmasses that are now beneath the ocean and there are correlating myths and legends that reflect something that humanity shared as a real experience. Heck guys, take a look at Doggerland!
later in the vid you do a fair bit of speculating yourselves, so...there you go.
You're mixing up speculation and conjecture. Speculation is using the present information to come to a loose theorized conclusion. Conjecture is presenting said theory as more factual than it is, often by manipulation or misinformation.
@@NotoriousDaddle No, I'm not confusing speculation with conjecture. Thanks for the sermon anyway ;)
1:17:00 what is the title of this documentary he was talking about? I cant see it on my phone...
Nevermind i think i got it, for interested: aftermatch- population zero
of course I JUST miss the stream -.-
I will say for the trade example I would push back and say that I see more in relation with electricians where how we wire a house is different than how they wire a house in other nations and the professional will wire differently than a "layperson" but the effectiveness is shown in does it work. Or auto repair where you can have a mechanic with all sorts of degrees and certifications yet the hillbilly down the road can fix your car just as well with a tin can and a welder....
2:39 stream start
The voynich manuscript was translated a couple of years ago
This live stream is BYOB right? Bring Your Own Bussy? asking for a friend.....
Always
@@TheLoreLodge thanks! I’ll definitely be cuming back
Sniffing your own farts
I've always believed, even before the internet, that there were civilisations before us stretching way back. I have no evidence just a gut feeling. Could you please do a video on the legends that there was a time before the moon was in the sky. That would be fantastic thank you.
That sounds interesting, but it’s impossible for people to have existed before the creation of the Moon. The Moon was created out of the collision between the Earth and a roughly Mars-sized planet called Theia about 4.5 billion years ago. At the time the Earth was still molten, so there was nothing living on it. It took almost another billion years for the Earth to become livable and for the first life forms to appear.
It wasn’t “some people”…….they were papal bulls with instructions…….o lort of the dings……….
Someone said 'cajones' doesn't mean testicles...
Huh?
Lmao the chat vruh
Guy can't help but talk down to "lay people"
i like food
Ok so the Zonai are real confirmed
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The Hopi's Kachina's were flesh and blood, looked like you and I "GODS" from another galaxy that they flew too in ships. THey used diff. ships for crossing water. This "ship" that flew out of the galaxy is said to go so fast they could leave here and arrive there in an instant.
The Alton, Illinois "Thousands of yrs. old Native American Dragon" painted on a sheer cliff along the Mississippi River. It's since been destroyed in the 19th century, but written about and sketched by explorers in the 1600s. It looks really really similar to a griffen, but it's claimed to have been a man eater. The Illini Tribe I think it was them, would shoot arrows at it as they passed by lol. There's been comparisons to the Japanese Dragon. Read all this on Ancient Pages.
I like you guys. I don't agree with your religious positions, but you do great research.
Why oh why can't you edit out the stand by bits before posting you podcasts? Once about 30 seconds go by with dead air, I'm out. Even if I skip ahead to the real beginning, I'm already miffed that you think it's fine to waste my time because it feels you can't be bothered to clip out that before posting.
Etcetera.
No cohost is honestly better.
The Khazarian empire likely made it to the North Americas, which explains why some North American natives have linguistic and genetic similarities to the Turkish
No. The Khazars never made it past the Caspian Sea. The Native Americans’ ancestors migrated from East Asia tens of thousands of years before the Khazars ever even existed.
The Khazars are a specific Turkic ethnic group, they aren’t just all north eastern Asians.
Characterizing the argument that Atlantis is an invention of Plato as him going "I'm just going to make this shit up to mess with people 2000 years from now" is kind of disingenuous. The argument is that he invented it as a parable to demonstrate a philosophical point about society and statesmanship, using "yeah I know a guy whose great-grandfather told his son these stories about stories he heard from a guy who travelled to Egypt, and the son then told the stories on to HIS ten year old grandson when he was ninety" as a framing device.
Hancock has always been a broscientist
Hancox, Wilcox.....all the same for me....grifters
Trollers, idiots..same thing to me :)
@@martinharris5017 you believe them? you stupid or you do a bit of trollin ?
Hey dude, how long have you been a Freemason?
He probably won't respond with the wording you're expecting. I'm curious as well bc he uh.. .pretty well has blasted out loud a portion of things he shouldn't have.
Hey guys, what direction are yall headed?
@@bri0013 I'd also really like to know what he's let go that isn't already online and pretty easily found if you're looking for information. Also, Bri, how old is your grandmother if you're going to be making these claims?
Number 1, all 4 of my Grandparents are deceased, and number 2, in the video where him and his partner take that Camaro to New York to look into that old hunter that disappeared 411 style, he's LITERALLY wearing a Freemason shirt when his partner pulls into his apartment complex! He's conveniently wearing a different shirt when they take off, though...So, that's why I'm asking Chief!
@@brianwebber6996_ROADHUNTERmaybe he didn't want to answer questions about it while there recording stuff. I know if I saw someone with a freemasons shirt I would wonder what they were up to lol
Fact based evidence is great, but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I cant stand the idea of methods and sighting sources. Those type people are pseudo intellectuals who need to be told what to think. They dont see it that way obviously but if you cant speculate based off observations or other evidence but not always source or agree with commonly accepted theories or ideas that is the opposite of actual science and what it is to be intelligent. Imagination and speculation can be extremely important when being innovative or pushing ideas and understanding of "things".
" but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"
Yes it is. If someone tells me unicorns exist but neither they nor anyone else can't produce evidence, why should I take any other position than "unicorns don't exist"?
While I completely understand that everyone is free to have their own opinions, but we have a historian and a literalist criticizing a researcher (that claims no branch, but has ACTUALLY been to these locations) about engineering, architecture and geology, that have no real experience in the topic in question. You in fact create your own hypothetical reasoning to your own conclusions. 🤔
Please watch the video we put out Friday. Graham gets a number of things completely wrong which have nothing to do with actually going to the location.
@@TheLoreLodge best take on grahams work ive seen so far. Cant wait to see your take on the other episodes. So many people that talk about grahams work come off as so arrogant that its impossible to even listen to what they have to say.
Sorry, this one was BORING. I couldn't finish it...
First problem with your guest is that he claims to speak Chinese. Lmfao. What kind of "expert" is this?
Maybe he is saying that because a lot of people don't know it's called Mandarin