00:00:00 Intro 4:43 “God Almighty”-NA | "God" is Angry... ANGRY! 23:34 Cameron-MN | Muslim Coworker, Using Counter-Apologetics With Them 47:53 Steven-TX | Scientific Evidence For Islam And God 1:12:57 Gohan-TX | Poking Holes In His Pro-Abortion Stance 1:30:52 Bonnie-WI | Is Pro-Abortion BUT...
From the studio that brought you "Every Word of the Bible is Literally True... Except When it's Figurative" and "All Sin is Equal... But Some Sins Are More Equal Than Others", comes the epic tale of one woman's attempt to silence her deafening cognitive dissonance: "Abortion is Murder... Except When it's Not". This spring, experience the horror of being less logically consistent than Gohan.
Bonnie: "Nobody is going to argue against abortions where the woman's life is in danger!" Me: "Have you looked at any of the anti-abortion bills across the US in the last couple years?"
Bonnie, the one who could not get pregnant no matter what she did, and her hysterical voice just showed how desperate she was. You can bet her whole sex life became planned in every detail. For her getting pregnant is something deliberate, that you take enormous pains to make it happen. For her it is inconceiveable that it can just happen in passing. On a night getting drunk and not even remembering that and what happened in the back alley behind the bar you visited. That there are women whose periods are irregular and have no reason to get upset by missing a period. Women that use the pill and a condom and get pregnant nevertheless. All is inconceivable for Bonnie. I am always amazed how little many people are able to put themselves into the position of another person, to switch to another logical system. Apparently they are trained for uniformity, that there is only one correct way of thinking, and that is regulated by your peer. Often God and his mouthpiece on earth, your preacher you are paying so that you think what you are thinking is RIGHT and all other thoughts are wrong, and for that purpose there is a strategy refined over 2000 years to sync up the brain patterns of your congregation.
Wasn’t there a case like this before? Where a woman’s doctor told her that her baby wasn’t viable (won’t survive) and if she didn’t get an abortion her life could be at risk. But then her church pressured her into not getting an abortion and as a result she died.
@@kaiza6467 As far as I know, at least in one state they (meaning the Republicans) want to forbid abortions even in cases like ectopian pregnancies, where the egg settles in the fallopian tube. It is IMPOSSIBLE for the fetus to come to term, it is life-endangering if not reliably lethal for the mother - does not matter. Let both suffer. It is the principle that must be maintained at ANY cost. Because the voters must be fed with simple slogans, must be fed the illusion that the world is simple and they provide the correct truths.
@@TalkHeathen Get the screener to hear the first part of the presentation as they know the difference between fake gods and *real ones. The believers cannot be trusted to make that decision, or we wouldn't have so many religions. * There could be one who will find time to stop finding lost car keys, setting off volcanoes and raining acid showers on the unjust and good water on the just.
Do you know who is ecstatic that Bonnie called? Bonnie’s husband. He’s is tickled pink that someone else can be tortured by her incoherent ramblings, thereby giving him a break from it.
I was just thinking about her poor bloody husband... Bet he doesn't push too hard when he's having his morning poo... Just for a few extra minutes of alone time!
@@lukeymuffler6265 I would bet all the money in my pocket and all the money in your pocket that he doesn’t even get any peace while on the toilet. I’d bet she follows him in there and still runs her head incessantly.
So according to Bonnie, abortion is murder. But, in her mind, "murder" is somehow justified if the woman is raped, or simply living in a society where obtaining birth control is a bit embarrassing. How does this make sense to her?
@@FinneousPJ1 That was going to be my comment. She is far too emotional and veering off course because of it. Yes, a pregnancy can be terminated all the way up to and including delivery but that is NEVER done for birth control. Late term is almost invariably a wanted pregnancy that needs to be terminated for medical reasons and will invariably be a horrific experience for everyone involved. Abortion needs to be legal, safe and available and no one else's fucking business. Emotional appeals have no relevance.
Bonnie's call was rough. She seemed completely unable to even begin to examine why she believes what she believes. It's all emotional hang-ups and anecdotes of questionable relevance. I half-expected her to bring up magic, alien abductions or bigfoot rape at some point in her utterly incoherent ramblings.
She did. She made it clear that it was strictly an emotional decision. I see this soo often of people that live in a white bread town that go to church 3 times a week and have blinders the rest of the time. If the secretary gets pregnant it was a virgin birth and not because the pastor or her father ....
Bonnie's husband having weak sperm count, or her egg not being able to conceive easily, isn't them being responsible. It's just biology. Also, abortion is not easy, why does Bonnie think this? There's also already a cut off point where terminating is no longer allowed!
"You know how many people want to get pregnant and can't..." is the same "you should be grateful there are starving kids who would love this food" guilt trip my mom used to use to get me to finish eating my vegetables. It's not also relevant. Me having and not eating the unwanted veggies didn't take them away from another child. Nor does forcing me to eat them mean someone else gets fed. I'm sorry Bonnie had a tough time conceiving. But that doesn't mean it is what every person who becomes pregnant wants that nor does forcing them to stay pregnant mean someone who does want it will get to be.
Lol, oh Mr Angel and Mr Leonard that was great, I can't tell you how much that reminded me of the random tangents of conversations that I've had. I'm a huge fan of how unpredictable my conversations can be, that was great, keep up the content.
@@walnutoil100 Infanticide is the slaughter of infants not foetuses. If your a Christian, check your bible, your god is the one who condones and demands infanticide. Christianity = hypocrisy central
Gohan (who called himself a ‘doctor’) called Truth Wanted a couple days ago and talked to MD Aware and ExXtian Erin about this same subject. His arguments were completely refuted, but It seems he keeps looking for more punishment…
I changed my argument to identify from the beginning that this isn’t about if you should adopt my stance but if you do, then you must be pro life. And I followed it up with secular humanists agree with this stance. Very different than when I talked to truth wanted
@@gohanprolife8389valuing life is good and I appreciate your feelings against abortion, but an individuals right to bodily autonomy should be higher than the rights of an unborn fetus. All humans should be allowed 3 basic things,,,,control over bodily autonomy, choice of spiritual practice or none, choice of who to love..withing consenting adults. I am not pro abortion,, but a woman's rights take priority.
@@gohanprolife8389 and that still doesn't change the fact that, a) not only do you have bad arguments that you can't support, but b) you lied about being a MD.
@@gohanprolife8389 You keep repeating this mantra how "human organism" is the only scientific way to define a human. Can you explain what that means and where got that idea from?
@@gohanprolife8389 if I might, I’d like to ask you a question. As a Christian, how do you feel about the biblical god ordering the deaths of pregnant women and children? Is that level of “harm” ok with you because it was committed by your deity? How does that mesh with your “prolife” stance? Thanks
Kenneth and Johhny deserve an award for how they handled Bonnie, who is so upset over the topic she cannot escape from her own rhetoric for one second to even consider the situation under a different angle.
Gohan seems infatuated with tidy definitions, even when the attached realities are messy, which he reacts to by reiterating that tidy collection of words.
Gohan thinks we shouldn't kill a "human organism," but he has no problem forcing women to give up the rights to their body. So, by Gohan's logic his body can be used against his will as long as a "human organism" isn't killed. Brilliant. 😂😂😂😂
Not getting a kidney transplant will kill someone. I sure hope Gohan is willing for the state to take his kidney to save that life whether he wants them to or not.
@@terryhinch Yup. The issue is simple: it is both illegal and immoral for one "human organism" to use another person's body against their will for any reason, or in any capacity. End of discussion. Anti-choicers have nothing
...I'm just saying, in a world full of Kent Hovinds, Greg Lockes and Pat Robertsons, be a Kenneth Leonard or occasionally even a Johnny P. Angel. 🖖😘 We need more, please.*
Good hosts...as usual Kenneth very calm and Johnny is as well. Theses hosts are able to carry on a conversation with theists without allowing them to meander about.
Hey Gohan, how about all the limited experiences of forcing someone that doesn’t want/isn’t capable to continue to remain pregnant? It seems that you aren’t considering that amount of harm
@@phillipzx3754 : Canadian Catholic was a regular caller who was just a loud mouth and idiotic spewer of nonsense … zero interest in any conversation, only in word swap salad and goal post moving. His most famous line was “when I was an atheist and a member of the inner atheist cabal” … utter BS’r. Even Darth Dawkins got sick of him and banned him 🤣
I love you both but you're a bit weak on the forced pregnancy argument. No one has the right to use another person's body. Forced birth should not be a punishment. It is inconsistent to change access based on whether or not Bonnie thinks the woman deserves it. Ask Bonnie if she can be hooked up and forced to give a kidney or forced to have her system used for someone else's weekly dialysis or forced into a series of bone marrow transplants. In such cases, we know a human living outside of a womb is likely to die. If she's not willing to be forced to use her body for the life of a dying person, she needs to stfu about forced pregnancy.
When you listen to stuff like this long enough you realize why trolls are sometimes hard to pick out and easy to fall for. Their deliberate disjointed thought and avoiding the question is almost uncanny to the disjointed thought patterns and question avoidance you see with most actual theists.
Lol that first call was hilarious! 'I am god, so wise and intelligent, but not intelligent enough to make a convincing or compelling argument because I am limited by my earthly conduit.' Weird flex but okay
I have a better idea - if you don't approve of abortions, then don't get an abortion. Don't presume it's your place to make decisions about other peoples' bodies.
Gohan also a coward to call and speak with two white, cis males who cannot get pregnant and give birth and neither can Gohan. The male contribution to pregnancy is one cell, the female contribution is a lifetime.
Bonnie's gonna run for Congress, and her slogan will be "IF YOU DON'T WANNA GET PREGNANT, DO BUTT STUFF, OR GET FOAM! DON'T BE STUPID! I'M FROM THE 60'S!"
@@walnutoil100 From adult humans. The same adult humans who agree that nobody can take my organs or hook me up to another person to use my organs without my consent. The same adult humans agree that a fetus does not have that right either.
55:27: Don't forget that Mohammed didn't "write the Koran". Tradition has it that he related various verses at various times to various groups and individuals - and the Koran is a collected volume of their recollections, compiled many years later.
Bonnie, the JW escapee. Congratulations on getting out of the cult. Your passion for the topic was self-evident, and there is nothing wrong with having strong views. When you get a chance to hear this recording again, I ask you to do the following. 1) Listen to the question asked of you, then stop the video and write the question in full. If needed, play the QUESTION again to ensure you have it accurately. Under the video, there are three tiny dots in a line to click on and open the computer-generated transcript to save yourself time. 2) Start the tape, listen to your response, and stop at the end of your comment. 3) Do the same for all the questions asked of you because I hope you discover that many of the questions were simply repeated and not new ones. I suggest your enthusiasm and certainty caused you to hyperventilate and introduce numerous other topics without answering, and Kenneth muted you to help you get back on topic. Thanks for calling in, your opinion is valuable and worth considering, and your life experiences could have brought so much more into the discussion if I could determine *WHY* you think you are right. G.M.T May 11 - 10;00 am -2022
Bonnie's call was all over the place. Women always know they're pregnant after a month, but also some women have spontaneous abortions after two or three months without realizing it? And the idea that making abortions more difficult to obtain would somehow *lower* cases of r@pe and incest is wild.
@@teresaamanfu7408 Yeah, I was thinking that, too. Literally went to high school with a girl who didn't know she was pregnant until her water broke at the senior party.
Gohan has never been interested in honest conversation. That's why he refused to address what was actually asked. He's done this on Axp, and on this show in the past.
@@gohanprolife8389 Well for one Kenneth asked you multiple times "Why is it wrong to harm another human organism?" And you refused to answer. You also tried to avoid defining harm multiple times after that. You assumed throughout the entire call what secular humanism is when it's clear you know nothing of secular humanism. There's also the fact that the entire call was disingenuous on your part Gohan, since you tried to divest abortion from bodily autonomy because you have no argument against it that is consistent, as Matt and other hosts have shown throughout your calls. Should I go on?
@@gohanprolife8389 How many calls have you made to Atheists shows over the last couple of years (by my count it's over 10) and you have never once shown yourself to be an honest interlocutor.
@@blackhelm5773 I did answer. I said there are two reasons, one from a naturalistic standpoint point, like all secular humanists have, and one from a religious standpoint. Yes because I didn’t see the point in defining it. But I said whatever harm is it should be consistent across all human organisms. Yeah I don’t mind discussing bodily autonomy. The very first time I talked to mister angel we had our whole talk on bodily autonomy. And Matt told me he doesn’t want to discuss abortion with me anymore, so which one of us is running?
For Gohan, the question is not "when does it become human life?"... the question has to be "when can I compel another person to use their body for my health?" If a fetus and I are identical and we have all the same rights as each other, then if I need a kidney transplant, it is moral for me to COMPEL someone who is a match to give me their kidney. If the government does not allow women to exercise a right to abortions, it is COMPELLING them to carry out the pregnancy and give birth. Regardless of a person's personal view of whether the act of abortion is good or bad, what we are really discussing is whether we as a society are going to COMPEL people on how their bodies are subject to the needs and desires of others.
I definitely will suggest that my religious friends call this show. While Matt is great dealing with the crack pots the average theist friends of mine would be more convinced by your calmness.
Johnny -- you're right that a stopped clock is right twice a day. It should also be noted that a clock that runs *backwards* is right *four* *times* *a* *day* !
Gohan is misunderstanding what a secular humanist is. When secular humanism places prime importance on humanity, it is not in the sense that it values being human above every other consideration or valuing human life higher than anything else. It means that humans are the ultimate authority over what is best for humans, not a deity. In other words, we give meaning to our own lives, not a god.
@Bonnie - you're literally arguing to force people back to the pre Roe ways. And believed it or not, its not always the guys who want the abortion. A lot of the time it is the pregnant person who wants the abortion. I know for a fact, because two of my close friends have gotten pregnant and neither of them have ever wanted children. Calm down and have a conversation, not just tossing out insults. Listen to what is being said, because believe it or not, situations change.
Why do the people who claim to have evidence of their god need to behave so foolish? As for abortion, I'm 100% against them and 100% for a woman's choice to have one if she chooses. I'm a pro-choice pro-lifer. It's also known as "minding my own business!" 😁
@@nofaithrequired859 against who all? Cause I’m pro choice ,I’m also against the death penalty which makes me pro life but pro assisted suicide I’m complex Edit ; atheist too
@@angryatheist Pro-life sounds like someone has to be a vegan and against meat, death penalty, violence and anything that causes suffering on any living being. But I never met such a person.
During the Gohan call, I like that the hosts would have asked him about the term 'harm". Does the caller consider the emotional harm to the woman may experience due to pregnancy? I counseled a friend that got pregnant due to a rape. She was in dire emotion stress and considered suicide. Even women that haven't been raped may have sever emotion harm if they carry to term. Maybe their family would put them in 'harm' for becoming pregnant outside of wedlock. That term opens a huge can of worms.
Not to mention all the common complications of pregnancy, like gestational diabetes, preeclampsia, depression, anxiety, PPD, ectopic pregnancy, hemorrhaging, tearing, incontinence, infections, diastasis recti, etc. Are those things not harm? Why does harm to the pregnant person not matter to Gohan and people like him?
@@sunnijo a 5 yo is a human organism. A fetus is a human organism. The high level of severe harm must be consistent to kill the fetus as much as it is to kill the 5 yo. Or else you’re just special pleading
I looked up Planned Parenthood v Casey after listening to Bonnie-WI claim at 1:39:02 that women can choose to abort right up to time of delivery. I'm not sure her claim is generally true. It seems to me that the state can make restrictions after the point of viability. I think that means states can have laws that prevent that scenario except in the case where it endangers the woman. Maybe one state allows that scenario (I didn't check) and another doesn't.
I'd love to know what Johnny has in that mate bowl. It's a permanent feature of his appearances on the show and he is always mellow yet clever and on point simultaneously.
Maybe abortion is so popular in the U.S., because it's fu...ng hard to raise a child as a single mother, because the social system sucks. If the U.S. would make raising a kid make easier, maybe there wouldn't be that many abortions anymore. And stop preaching things like "You must be married to have sex." . That's not helping either.
"because it's fu...ng hard to raise a child as a single mother, because the social system sucks" ?? why should it be anyone else's job or duty to help someone raise their child?
@@cnault3244 You "conservative" Americans are so clueless. It's not a binary situation. It's not "I take care of my child or you do." We live in a society. We help each other? Were you never in a school? A teacher teaching many students. Students working together on projects. Or just in general! Friends helping each other out, providing first aid at an accident, giving someone advice for anything at all.... I could go on. You pay taxes to be part of the support of your favourite policiticans with their exorbitant wages. You pay your health insurance so that there is a private pool of money, which everyone in that insurance group can use that insurance pool when needed (the exact same thing as Medicare for all but provided by the government instead of dozens of for-profit, privately run businesses. You Americans are so badly indoctrinated and so badly educated, you are the trees greeting the axe, as if it is there to support you all just because it is made out of wood. In your imagination you exist in a radicalised, super-individualism fantasy land, where everyone can become a billionaire just because everyone can do everything as a 100% independt individual. Get a f-ing grip!
I feel like slave owners have a similar argument. It’s hard to pull cotton all day. And according to your argument we can justify things just by saying without them something is hard.
Bonnie, who is barely coherent on her calls, but thinks she can dictate who should and shouldn't be pregnant? Remember the time ShannonQ had to hang up on her because she was rambling drunkenly about Moloch.
Shannon muting Bon-Bon is something worth looking forward to missing. Religion poisons minds. At least Bon-Bon escaped one cult- the Jumping Jehorseless Witless crowd. Who knows what gang of thugs she is in now.
Gohan "I base my theism on science, and I didn't believe until I went to college" So the science of a magic genie that performs magic and defies any science or logic, gives birth to a magic baby that's both itself and not itself and also performs magic.... Must be some super science that got you there genius. Great college you went to, "in this lesson today here's the science of magic genie and magic arks and talking snakes and 6 thousand year old earth.... Must be this weeks Lying for Jesus award winner 😃
Just feel like I had to point out that the abortion caller was unnecessarily limiting the terminology. Is insistence on human organism because there's no scientific definition for human being, is unnecessary because they're not doing science, they're discussing a political/moral issue.
At 52:00 he says "The stars fall" then goes on to interpret it as a general description of a supernova. To me that is way off. A supernova looks like a very bright star in the night sky when it happens. Trying to compare the mechanics of collapse to that phrase is the Quran is unconvincing. Wouldn't it be more likely the phrase was describing a meteor? I've seen them many times and you could say it looks like a falling star. A goat herder back then would see meteors almost every night if they watched for a few hours. Does the Quran describe a phenomena that can be replicated with an experiment? Does it describe any experiment that can repeatedly demonstrate a phenomena? Does the Quran describe religious rituals with enough detail that they can be reproduced accurately by any Muslim? If the answer to the former is no, and the latter is yes, then I would be more inclined to believe the Quran is the writings of man, not a deity.
@Bonnie - people using abortion simply as birth control is something which might be extremely rare, like pretty much nonexistent. And birth control isn't 100% effective. Even as you stated, so you can still get pregnant while on birth control.
If an unborn child can use your body against your will so should a child that's already born otherwise you are granting special rights to the unborn its that simple , the caller needs to read what severe harm is by law
A born child already has that right. If my baby is stuck and I’m the only one around I have to use my body to take my baby out of that situation, even if it goes against my consent. A better example is a mom and new born stranded in a cabin.
@@gohanprolife8389 no, the parent is not obligated to give their bodily to save the child if for an accurate exemple, the child needed an organ transplant. the parents are caretaker, not life-preserving machines, gohan.
@@gohanprolife8389 no it doesn't , if my child needs blood or an organ no laws states I have to provide that as the parent , but im curious if you think I should be obligated to do so ?
@@DiMadHatter organ donation was not the examples I gave or tied to abortion in any way. The example I gave was either abandoned in a cabin, or using your body against your will to help your child get from an unsafe place (on top of a kitchen counter).
This person is not capable of carrying a child to term, but feels he can tell those who can what they must do with their bodies? Shut up, and listen to what women have to say, Gohan.
Poor Bonnie - she is not getting away from her own experience, as someone who could NOT pregnant when she wanted to, that she cannot even dream of the fate of someone where it is the opposite, who so to speak did nothing and got pregnant instantly. Say, who had nothing in mind and went out for a night and got drunk and does not even remember what had happened. For Bonnie, EVERYTHING regarding sex was a deliberate, planned decision, she went at it with a grand masterplan, with coaches, constant expert supervision.
@@Never-mind1960 secular humanist state they state anything is moral if it benefits the well being of humanity. Human beings make up humanity, but human beings is NOT a scientific term, since being is a philosophy term. Human organisms is and it better fits compared to “being” since secular humanists are also naturalists. Or most are.
@@gohanprolife8389 See? there you go again - The question of abortion has nothing to do with science or word definitions. It is a question of what reproductive rights does society afford to a female. I say they should have the total right to end a preganacy anytime. To me, abortion is the same as abstinence. I think they should even be able to euthanize it a birth if it is really messed up, otherwise the state should take responsibility for it. However, I understand that enough people are squeamish about that, so in a democracy I have to compromise. The existing compromise is as far as my side is willing to go. Morality is just the word we give to the rules we subjectively like. Humanist are not a monolith of opinion. The whole well-being thing is irrelevant. We only agree to common rules to benefit ourselves and the people we like. Pure altruism is nonsense.
God doesn't know his own book. The Buybull never said one day he would hold me in his hands. That was the Allstate insurance salesman who said that. You're in good hands with Allstate.
00:00:00 Intro
4:43 “God Almighty”-NA | "God" is Angry... ANGRY!
23:34 Cameron-MN | Muslim Coworker, Using Counter-Apologetics With Them
47:53 Steven-TX | Scientific Evidence For Islam And God
1:12:57 Gohan-TX | Poking Holes In His Pro-Abortion Stance
1:30:52 Bonnie-WI | Is Pro-Abortion BUT...
You handled the abortion calls masterfully. I appreciate it. And nice to always see Johnny with his mate. Much love from Argentina!
You didn't put up time stamps? You slackin again? I feel like giving you patreon money.
From the studio that brought you "Every Word of the Bible is Literally True... Except When it's Figurative" and "All Sin is Equal... But Some Sins Are More Equal Than Others", comes the epic tale of one woman's attempt to silence her deafening cognitive dissonance: "Abortion is Murder... Except When it's Not". This spring, experience the horror of being less logically consistent than Gohan.
👍🌹 Best post on the whole page.
Voice over dialogue provided by Bonnie.
Its not always a good thing to be famous enough to get a shout out in a comment *caugh* gohan *caugh*
Abortion is always murder except when it is performed under the guise of viral pandemics and mandatory vaccination.
@@ookeekthelibrarian Not, mine is best.
Bonnie: "Nobody is going to argue against abortions where the woman's life is in danger!"
Me: "Have you looked at any of the anti-abortion bills across the US in the last couple years?"
Sadly it's not just the USA they can be found.
Bonnie, the one who could not get pregnant no matter what she did, and her hysterical voice just showed how desperate she was. You can bet her whole sex life became planned in every detail. For her getting pregnant is something deliberate, that you take enormous pains to make it happen.
For her it is inconceiveable that it can just happen in passing. On a night getting drunk and not even remembering that and what happened in the back alley behind the bar you visited.
That there are women whose periods are irregular and have no reason to get upset by missing a period.
Women that use the pill and a condom and get pregnant nevertheless.
All is inconceivable for Bonnie.
I am always amazed how little many people are able to put themselves into the position of another person, to switch to another logical system. Apparently they are trained for uniformity, that there is only one correct way of thinking, and that is regulated by your peer. Often God and his mouthpiece on earth, your preacher you are paying so that you think what you are thinking is RIGHT and all other thoughts are wrong, and for that purpose there is a strategy refined over 2000 years to sync up the brain patterns of your congregation.
Wasn’t there a case like this before?
Where a woman’s doctor told her that her baby wasn’t viable (won’t survive) and if she didn’t get an abortion her life could be at risk.
But then her church pressured her into not getting an abortion and as a result she died.
@@kaiza6467 As far as I know, at least in one state they (meaning the Republicans) want to forbid abortions even in cases like ectopian pregnancies, where the egg settles in the fallopian tube.
It is IMPOSSIBLE for the fetus to come to term, it is life-endangering if not reliably lethal for the mother - does not matter. Let both suffer. It is the principle that must be maintained at ANY cost. Because the voters must be fed with simple slogans, must be fed the illusion that the world is simple and they provide the correct truths.
Which shows how far the right has moved. The original texas law that Roe overruled gave exceptions for both rape and the life of the pregnant person.
Some who is irresponsible enough to get pregnant is RESPONSABLE enough to have a BABY!?! Come on Bonnie.
Legendary comment.
Can the ACA please not take any more calls from "God Almighty". The calls were a waste of time.
Such a waste of time that I wanted to stop listening rest of the show.
100%. Obviously they are not sincere and that should be the end of it. 10 minutes???
I almost bailed. Yay for watching the next day and the fast-forward option.
Sounds like a plan.
@@TalkHeathen
Get the screener to hear the first part of the presentation as they know the difference between fake gods and *real ones. The believers cannot be trusted to make that decision, or we wouldn't have so many religions.
* There could be one who will find time to stop finding lost car keys, setting off volcanoes and raining acid showers on the unjust and good water on the just.
Jack and Dianne! I’m dying here! You guys are awesome and I love love love this show.
Do you know who is ecstatic that Bonnie called? Bonnie’s husband. He’s is tickled pink that someone else can be tortured by her incoherent ramblings, thereby giving him a break from it.
I was just thinking about her poor bloody husband... Bet he doesn't push too hard when he's having his morning poo... Just for a few extra minutes of alone time!
@@lukeymuffler6265 I would bet all the money in my pocket and all the money in your pocket that he doesn’t even get any peace while on the toilet. I’d bet she follows him in there and still runs her head incessantly.
You'd think that God wouldn't need someone else to call the show. Or allow himself to be muted by the hosts...
Johnny in 10 years : "Hey Ken, you remember that time you put God on hold?"
Ken : "Oh yeah, why?"
Johnny : "That shit was tight"
Ken : "Tight"
So according to Bonnie, abortion is murder. But, in her mind, "murder" is somehow justified if the woman is raped, or simply living in a society where obtaining birth control is a bit embarrassing. How does this make sense to her?
I was thinking just that!
She sounds too agitated to have discussion tbh
Sorry no. She is willfully ignorant. I have no patience with people like that. None at all.
@@FinneousPJ1 That was going to be my comment. She is far too emotional and veering off course because of it. Yes, a pregnancy can be terminated all the way up to and including delivery but that is NEVER done for birth control. Late term is almost invariably a wanted pregnancy that needs to be terminated for medical reasons and will invariably be a horrific experience for everyone involved. Abortion needs to be legal, safe and available and no one else's fucking business. Emotional appeals have no relevance.
Because religion turns your logic to mush
Bonnie's call was rough. She seemed completely unable to even begin to examine why she believes what she believes. It's all emotional hang-ups and anecdotes of questionable relevance. I half-expected her to bring up magic, alien abductions or bigfoot rape at some point in her utterly incoherent ramblings.
She did. She made it clear that it was strictly an emotional decision. I see this soo often of people that live in a white bread town that go to church 3 times a week and have blinders the rest of the time. If the secretary gets pregnant it was a virgin birth and not because the pastor or her father ....
Bonnie's husband having weak sperm count, or her egg not being able to conceive easily, isn't them being responsible. It's just biology. Also, abortion is not easy, why does Bonnie think this? There's also already a cut off point where terminating is no longer allowed!
"You know how many people want to get pregnant and can't..." is the same "you should be grateful there are starving kids who would love this food" guilt trip my mom used to use to get me to finish eating my vegetables.
It's not also relevant. Me having and not eating the unwanted veggies didn't take them away from another child. Nor does forcing me to eat them mean someone else gets fed.
I'm sorry Bonnie had a tough time conceiving. But that doesn't mean it is what every person who becomes pregnant wants that nor does forcing them to stay pregnant mean someone who does want it will get to be.
Johnny & Kenneth are a killer team!
Excellent...
Bravo. I'm sure we love the Bonnies out there and that's why we need to chat more and more like this
Lol, oh Mr Angel and Mr Leonard that was great, I can't tell you how much that reminded me of the random tangents of conversations that I've had. I'm a huge fan of how unpredictable my conversations can be, that was great, keep up the content.
One of my favorite host combos!
Why should Bonnie be the one to make the decision about what someone else should do to their own bodies?
Another great show! Thank you!!!
Great show guys!!
If being hysterical were an Olympic event, Bonnie would be a contender for the gold.
Two callers talking about abortion two days before Roe v. Wade gets overturned. Your country is rapidly heading towards the middle ages.
So mass infanticide is "progress"?
@@walnutoil100 A zygote is not an infant
@@walnutoil100 Infanticide is the slaughter of infants not foetuses. If your a Christian, check your bible, your god is the one who condones and demands infanticide. Christianity = hypocrisy central
Gohan (who called himself a ‘doctor’) called Truth Wanted a couple days ago and talked to MD Aware and ExXtian Erin about this same subject. His arguments were completely refuted, but It seems he keeps looking for more punishment…
I changed my argument to identify from the beginning that this isn’t about if you should adopt my stance but if you do, then you must be pro life.
And I followed it up with secular humanists agree with this stance.
Very different than when I talked to truth wanted
@@gohanprolife8389valuing life is good and I appreciate your feelings against abortion, but an individuals right to bodily autonomy should be higher than the rights of an unborn fetus. All humans should be allowed 3 basic things,,,,control over bodily autonomy, choice of spiritual practice or none, choice of who to love..withing consenting adults. I am not pro abortion,, but a woman's rights take priority.
@@gohanprolife8389 and that still doesn't change the fact that, a) not only do you have bad arguments that you can't support, but b) you lied about being a MD.
@@gohanprolife8389 You keep repeating this mantra how "human organism" is the only scientific way to define a human. Can you explain what that means and where got that idea from?
@@gohanprolife8389 if I might, I’d like to ask you a question. As a Christian, how do you feel about the biblical god ordering the deaths of pregnant women and children? Is that level of “harm” ok with you because it was committed by your deity? How does that mesh with your “prolife” stance? Thanks
Kenneth and Johhny deserve an award for how they handled Bonnie, who is so upset over the topic she cannot escape from her own rhetoric for one second to even consider the situation under a different angle.
Bonnie never quits talking,,,even while muted
Gohan seems infatuated with tidy definitions, even when the attached realities are messy, which he reacts to by reiterating that tidy collection of words.
Gohan thinks we shouldn't kill a "human organism," but he has no problem forcing women to give up the rights to their body.
So, by Gohan's logic his body can be used against his will as long as a "human organism" isn't killed. Brilliant. 😂😂😂😂
Not getting a kidney transplant will kill someone. I sure hope Gohan is willing for the state to take his kidney to save that life whether he wants them to or not.
@@terryhinch Yup. The issue is simple: it is both illegal and immoral for one "human organism" to use another person's body against their will for any reason, or in any capacity. End of discussion. Anti-choicers have nothing
God almighty can't handle his liquor 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Or his spliff 👽
...I'm just saying, in a world full of Kent Hovinds, Greg Lockes and Pat Robertsons, be a Kenneth Leonard or occasionally even a Johnny P. Angel. 🖖😘
We need more, please.*
Theists: what evidence would make you believe in god?
Me: greg locke being struck by lightening
@@robinhood20253 🏆
Good hosts...as usual Kenneth very calm and Johnny is as well. Theses hosts are able to carry on a conversation with theists without allowing them to meander about.
I much prefer this show to the Atheist Experience, or any show with Matt “Shut the f*** up” Dillahunty.
@@urasam2no slant to Matt on my part...
@@robinhood20253 Sorry, I don’t understand your comment.
@@urasam2 sorry. Why?
@@urasam2 I just meant no disrespect to Matt from me. Love Matt
Hey Gohan, how about all the limited experiences of forcing someone that doesn’t want/isn’t capable to continue to remain pregnant? It seems that you aren’t considering that amount of harm
"God almighty" sounds a lot like drunk Canadian Catholic.
Eh? ☺
@@phillipzx3754 : Canadian Catholic was a regular caller who was just a loud mouth and idiotic spewer of nonsense … zero interest in any conversation, only in word swap salad and goal post moving.
His most famous line was “when I was an atheist and a member of the inner atheist cabal” … utter BS’r.
Even Darth Dawkins got sick of him and banned him 🤣
@@billmcavoy5056 the inner circle atheist
@@finito1989 : Aha … that’s the one 🤣🤣🤣 … he’s still a knob though!!!
I love you both but you're a bit weak on the forced pregnancy argument. No one has the right to use another person's body. Forced birth should not be a punishment. It is inconsistent to change access based on whether or not Bonnie thinks the woman deserves it. Ask Bonnie if she can be hooked up and forced to give a kidney or forced to have her system used for someone else's weekly dialysis or forced into a series of bone marrow transplants. In such cases, we know a human living outside of a womb is likely to die. If she's not willing to be forced to use her body for the life of a dying person, she needs to stfu about forced pregnancy.
When you listen to stuff like this long enough you realize why trolls are sometimes hard to pick out and easy to fall for. Their deliberate disjointed thought and avoiding the question is almost uncanny to the disjointed thought patterns and question avoidance you see with most actual theists.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Hanlon's Razor.
Lol that first call was hilarious! 'I am god, so wise and intelligent, but not intelligent enough to make a convincing or compelling argument because I am limited by my earthly conduit.'
Weird flex but okay
I have a better idea - if you don't approve of abortions, then don't get an abortion. Don't presume it's your place to make decisions about other peoples' bodies.
Gohan also a coward to call and speak with two white, cis males who cannot get pregnant and give birth and neither can Gohan. The male contribution to pregnancy is one cell, the female contribution is a lifetime.
Bonnie's gonna run for Congress, and her slogan will be
"IF YOU DON'T WANNA GET PREGNANT, DO BUTT STUFF, OR GET FOAM! DON'T BE STUPID! I'M FROM THE 60'S!"
Didn’t Elaine from Seinfeld but up all the remaining sponges 30 years ago?
No life has the right to live off another without their consent
Your evidence is? Where do rights come from?
@@walnutoil100 From adult humans. The same adult humans who agree that nobody can take my organs or hook me up to another person to use my organs without my consent. The same adult humans agree that a fetus does not have that right either.
@@walnutoil100 stick to your walnut oil
@@walnutoil100 The human mind. That's the same place the concept of god, leprechauns, and pixies comes from.
55:27: Don't forget that Mohammed didn't "write the Koran". Tradition has it that he related various verses at various times to various groups and individuals - and the Koran is a collected volume of their recollections, compiled many years later.
In true Johnny fashion, the first thing he says on the show is a Star Trek reference 😆
Bonnie, the JW escapee.
Congratulations on getting out of the cult.
Your passion for the topic was self-evident, and there is nothing wrong with having strong views. When you get a chance to hear this recording again, I ask you to do the following.
1) Listen to the question asked of you, then stop the video and write the question in full. If needed, play the QUESTION again to
ensure you have it accurately. Under the video, there are three tiny dots in a line to click on and open the computer-generated
transcript to save yourself time.
2) Start the tape, listen to your response, and stop at the end of your comment.
3) Do the same for all the questions asked of you because I hope you discover that many of the questions were simply repeated
and not new ones.
I suggest your enthusiasm and certainty caused you to hyperventilate and introduce numerous other topics without answering, and Kenneth muted you to help you get back on topic.
Thanks for calling in, your opinion is valuable and worth considering, and your life experiences could have brought so much more into the discussion if I could determine *WHY* you think you are right. G.M.T May 11 - 10;00 am -2022
God Almighty...how many has he had ? 😂😂
Enough already..
He's a nutcase.
at 8:35 Kenneth mutes God Almighty. All hail Kenneth!
If harm is the denial of future prospects. What does Gohan think about a universal minimum wage, free healthcare at source and free college education?
Bonnie's call was all over the place. Women always know they're pregnant after a month, but also some women have spontaneous abortions after two or three months without realizing it?
And the idea that making abortions more difficult to obtain would somehow *lower* cases of r@pe and incest is wild.
Agree - and all the misinformation she was allowed to spew was insane.
They shouldent have let her get away with any of it, that one was totaly out of control.
Psychotic reasoning, and behavoir.
Bonnie is not aware of the women who find out they’re pregnant when they’re actually having the baby.
@@teresaamanfu7408 Yeah, I was thinking that, too. Literally went to high school with a girl who didn't know she was pregnant until her water broke at the senior party.
I am not sure what she believes...not sure she does.
Gohan has never been interested in honest conversation. That's why he refused to address what was actually asked. He's done this on Axp, and on this show in the past.
I answered the questions asked bud. If not which one did I avoid
@@gohanprolife8389 Well for one Kenneth asked you multiple times "Why is it wrong to harm another human organism?" And you refused to answer. You also tried to avoid defining harm multiple times after that. You assumed throughout the entire call what secular humanism is when it's clear you know nothing of secular humanism. There's also the fact that the entire call was disingenuous on your part Gohan, since you tried to divest abortion from bodily autonomy because you have no argument against it that is consistent, as Matt and other hosts have shown throughout your calls. Should I go on?
@@gohanprolife8389 How many calls have you made to Atheists shows over the last couple of years (by my count it's over 10) and you have never once shown yourself to be an honest interlocutor.
@@blackhelm5773 You only have to look at the sad gits profile and the 25 videos he has up, to see he's a sad godling.
@@blackhelm5773 I did answer. I said there are two reasons, one from a naturalistic standpoint point, like all secular humanists have, and one from a religious standpoint.
Yes because I didn’t see the point in defining it. But I said whatever harm is it should be consistent across all human organisms.
Yeah I don’t mind discussing bodily autonomy. The very first time I talked to mister angel we had our whole talk on bodily autonomy. And Matt told me he doesn’t want to discuss abortion with me anymore, so which one of us is running?
For Gohan, the question is not "when does it become human life?"... the question has to be "when can I compel another person to use their body for my health?"
If a fetus and I are identical and we have all the same rights as each other, then if I need a kidney transplant, it is moral for me to COMPEL someone who is a match to give me their kidney. If the government does not allow women to exercise a right to abortions, it is COMPELLING them to carry out the pregnancy and give birth. Regardless of a person's personal view of whether the act of abortion is good or bad, what we are really discussing is whether we as a society are going to COMPEL people on how their bodies are subject to the needs and desires of others.
Love these guys together @
Killer and always nail it with logic and reason
Works for me!!@
I definitely will suggest that my religious friends call this show. While Matt is great dealing with the crack pots the average theist friends of mine would be more convinced by your calmness.
Johnny -- you're right that a stopped clock is right twice a day.
It should also be noted that a clock that runs *backwards* is right *four* *times* *a* *day* !
And a clock that is one minute slow or fast is never right.
Gohan is misunderstanding what a secular humanist is. When secular humanism places prime importance on humanity, it is not in the sense that it values being human above every other consideration or valuing human life higher than anything else. It means that humans are the ultimate authority over what is best for humans, not a deity. In other words, we give meaning to our own lives, not a god.
Bonnie - responsible or irresponsible - none of your f-in business.
Bonnie seems to be unable to hear the "Why?" question.
Perhaps it is a technical problem and her phone can not pick up difficult questions.
I've noticed a disturbing number of the theist callers seem unable to hear "why?" when it challenges their preconceived notions.
She sounds mentally unstable
@Bonnie - you're literally arguing to force people back to the pre Roe ways.
And believed it or not, its not always the guys who want the abortion. A lot of the time it is the pregnant person who wants the abortion. I know for a fact, because two of my close friends have gotten pregnant and neither of them have ever wanted children.
Calm down and have a conversation, not just tossing out insults. Listen to what is being said, because believe it or not, situations change.
I'm not sure she's capable of having an honest conversation.
@@Selcryn Having listened to all her calls, I'm bloody sure she can't be honest.
Bonnie! Try decaffeinated and remember this is not the 1960s
Aahhhhhh.....Gohan..... This should be fun
Hey that intro song is used by the Stolman Brothers already
Big ups to Johnny P for taking time away from his music video shoot to do the show.
Why do the people who claim to have evidence of their god need to behave so foolish?
As for abortion, I'm 100% against them and 100% for a woman's choice to have one if she chooses.
I'm a pro-choice pro-lifer. It's also known as "minding my own business!" 😁
I assume you're an atheist and applaud your pro-choice view. I'm wondering 'why' are you against them at all?
@@nofaithrequired859 Fair question for which I have no answer.
That's why I say it's none of my business. :-)
@@nofaithrequired859 against who all? Cause I’m pro choice ,I’m also against the death penalty which makes me pro life but pro assisted suicide I’m complex
Edit ; atheist too
I am not pro abortion,,but pro choice. In a perfect world there is no need for abortion, sadly a perfect world is unbelievable.
@@angryatheist Pro-life sounds like someone has to be a vegan and against meat, death penalty, violence and anything that causes suffering on any living being. But I never met such a person.
Kenneth…… you dropped God’ call!! OMG!
26:04 bookmarked to continue.
During the Gohan call, I like that the hosts would have asked him about the term 'harm". Does the caller consider the emotional harm to the woman may experience due to pregnancy? I counseled a friend that got pregnant due to a rape. She was in dire emotion stress and considered suicide. Even women that haven't been raped may have sever emotion harm if they carry to term. Maybe their family would put them in 'harm' for becoming pregnant outside of wedlock. That term opens a huge can of worms.
Not to mention all the common complications of pregnancy, like gestational diabetes, preeclampsia, depression, anxiety, PPD, ectopic pregnancy, hemorrhaging, tearing, incontinence, infections, diastasis recti, etc. Are those things not harm? Why does harm to the pregnant person not matter to Gohan and people like him?
I agree that is harm. But does it count as severe harm? Severe enough to kill a 5 yo?
@@gohanprolife8389 what does “killing a 5-year-old” have to do with termination of a pregnancy?
@@gohanprolife8389 What are you views on people who kill others in self-defence ?
@@sunnijo a 5 yo is a human organism. A fetus is a human organism.
The high level of severe harm must be consistent to kill the fetus as much as it is to kill the 5 yo. Or else you’re just special pleading
I looked up Planned Parenthood v Casey after listening to Bonnie-WI claim at 1:39:02 that women can choose to abort right up to time of delivery. I'm not sure her claim is generally true. It seems to me that the state can make restrictions after the point of viability. I think that means states can have laws that prevent that scenario except in the case where it endangers the woman. Maybe one state allows that scenario (I didn't check) and another doesn't.
I wish the microphones were somewhat similar for everyone talking. Kenneth's mic is sooo loud and Johnny is barely audible.
I'd love to know what Johnny has in that mate bowl. It's a permanent feature of his appearances on the show and he is always mellow yet clever and on point simultaneously.
He Got Mate?
@@johnd.shultz7423 I want some, whatever he's got there!
hahaha Johnny said the safe word.
Maybe abortion is so popular in the U.S., because it's fu...ng hard to raise a child as a single mother, because the social system sucks. If the U.S. would make raising a kid make easier, maybe there wouldn't be that many abortions anymore. And stop preaching things like "You must be married to have sex." . That's not helping either.
"because it's fu...ng hard to raise a child as a single mother, because the social system sucks"
?? why should it be anyone else's job or duty to help someone raise their child?
@@cnault3244 You "conservative" Americans are so clueless. It's not a binary situation. It's not "I take care of my child or you do." We live in a society. We help each other? Were you never in a school? A teacher teaching many students. Students working together on projects.
Or just in general! Friends helping each other out, providing first aid at an accident, giving someone advice for anything at all....
I could go on.
You pay taxes to be part of the support of your favourite policiticans with their exorbitant wages. You pay your health insurance so that there is a private pool of money, which everyone in that insurance group can use that insurance pool when needed (the exact same thing as Medicare for all but provided by the government instead of dozens of for-profit, privately run businesses.
You Americans are so badly indoctrinated and so badly educated, you are the trees greeting the axe, as if it is there to support you all just because it is made out of wood.
In your imagination you exist in a radicalised, super-individualism fantasy land, where everyone can become a billionaire just because everyone can do everything as a 100% independt individual. Get a f-ing grip!
@@cnault3244 I don't expect a cogent answer from you, by the way.
@@PhysiKarlz You didn't ask me any question, so why would you expect any answer from me?
I feel like slave owners have a similar argument. It’s hard to pull cotton all day.
And according to your argument we can justify things just by saying without them something is hard.
God was so drunk, I could smell the alcohol through the audio
Bonnie, who is barely coherent on her calls, but thinks she can dictate who should and shouldn't be pregnant? Remember the time ShannonQ had to hang up on her because she was rambling drunkenly about Moloch.
Shannon muting Bon-Bon is something worth looking forward to missing.
Religion poisons minds. At least Bon-Bon escaped one cult- the Jumping Jehorseless Witless crowd. Who knows what gang of thugs she is in now.
Gohan "I base my theism on science, and I didn't believe until I went to college"
So the science of a magic genie that performs magic and defies any science or logic, gives birth to a magic baby that's both itself and not itself and also performs magic....
Must be some super science that got you there genius. Great college you went to, "in this lesson today here's the science of magic genie and magic arks and talking snakes and 6 thousand year old earth....
Must be this weeks Lying for Jesus award winner 😃
So this week I learned that "God" suffers his fair share of "Dunning-kruger-effect"
How about suggesting a law that makes the father of the baby equally responsible for support. That will make him backpedal in a hurry.
On Bonnie what is difference between the two difference between baby 1 and baby 2 which was grape.
Just feel like I had to point out that the abortion caller was unnecessarily limiting the terminology. Is insistence on human organism because there's no scientific definition for human being, is unnecessary because they're not doing science, they're discussing a political/moral issue.
At 52:00 he says "The stars fall" then goes on to interpret it as a general description of a supernova. To me that is way off. A supernova looks like a very bright star in the night sky when it happens. Trying to compare the mechanics of collapse to that phrase is the Quran is unconvincing. Wouldn't it be more likely the phrase was describing a meteor? I've seen them many times and you could say it looks like a falling star. A goat herder back then would see meteors almost every night if they watched for a few hours.
Does the Quran describe a phenomena that can be replicated with an experiment? Does it describe any experiment that can repeatedly demonstrate a phenomena?
Does the Quran describe religious rituals with enough detail that they can be reproduced accurately by any Muslim?
If the answer to the former is no, and the latter is yes, then I would be more inclined to believe the Quran is the writings of man, not a deity.
For the good
Bonnie please never call back. Thank you.
Wait till Gohan finds out about how in vitro fertilization, and how that is accomplished.
"Bonnie"....entitlement sure is nice, isn't it?
Wow. Bonnie is really out of touch with reality. Religion has clouded her cognitive ability.
Q to Bonnie: what if you had a child that you didn't want or couldn't support?
That wasn't God, that was Mister Kookalamanza.
Crackpots are falling from the trees!
Welcome to the Troll honeypot cafe
Let's see who's on the menu 🍽
I see the coward trolls don't dare lol. So i guess chicken is on the menu 🤣
I couldn't figure out if God Almighty was being sarcastic or not? That was a very strange call.
Poor Bonnie's husband... I feel for you brother...
I would have dumped the first caller when he could not hold a conversation.
@Bonnie - people using abortion simply as birth control is something which might be extremely rare, like pretty much nonexistent.
And birth control isn't 100% effective. Even as you stated, so you can still get pregnant while on birth control.
If an unborn child can use your body against your will so should a child that's already born otherwise you are granting special rights to the unborn its that simple , the caller needs to read what severe harm is by law
A born child already has that right. If my baby is stuck and I’m the only one around I have to use my body to take my baby out of that situation, even if it goes against my consent.
A better example is a mom and new born stranded in a cabin.
@@gohanprolife8389 no, the parent is not obligated to give their bodily to save the child if for an accurate exemple, the child needed an organ transplant. the parents are caretaker, not life-preserving machines, gohan.
@@gohanprolife8389 no it doesn't , if my child needs blood or an organ no laws states I have to provide that as the parent , but im curious if you think I should be obligated to do so ?
@@DiMadHatter organ donation was not the examples I gave or tied to abortion in any way. The example I gave was either abandoned in a cabin, or using your body against your will to help your child get from an unsafe place (on top of a kitchen counter).
@@gohanprolife8389 those exemples are not accurately comparable. Organ donation is analogous, so use that exemple instead.
Sound is really screwed-up.
This person is not capable of carrying a child to term, but feels he can tell those who can what they must do with their bodies? Shut up, and listen to what women have to say, Gohan.
Poor Bonnie - she is not getting away from her own experience, as someone who could NOT pregnant when she wanted to, that she cannot even dream of the fate of someone where it is the opposite, who so to speak did nothing and got pregnant instantly.
Say, who had nothing in mind and went out for a night and got drunk and does not even remember what had happened.
For Bonnie, EVERYTHING regarding sex was a deliberate, planned decision, she went at it with a grand masterplan, with coaches, constant expert supervision.
There’s a chance that no one wanted to get Bonnie pregnant.
@@SPL0869 I suppose she chose her husband that he shared her want for a child.
@@feedingravens sure. At one time. But after a few conversations with her while he was sober…
Gohan TX wants to create a straw-man scenario and can't stand when he gets called out on it.
What strawman scenario do I want to create?
@@gohanprolife8389 That because of the word organism, humanists somehow agree with your weird narrative.
@@Never-mind1960 secular humanist state they state anything is moral if it benefits the well being of humanity.
Human beings make up humanity, but human beings is NOT a scientific term, since being is a philosophy term. Human organisms is and it better fits compared to “being” since secular humanists are also naturalists. Or most are.
@@gohanprolife8389 See? there you go again - The question of abortion has nothing to do with science or word definitions. It is a question of what reproductive rights does society afford to a female. I say they should have the total right to end a preganacy anytime. To me, abortion is the same as abstinence. I think they should even be able to euthanize it a birth if it is really messed up, otherwise the state should take responsibility for it. However, I understand that enough people are squeamish about that, so in a democracy I have to compromise. The existing compromise is as far as my side is willing to go.
Morality is just the word we give to the rules we subjectively like. Humanist are not a monolith of opinion. The whole well-being thing is irrelevant. We only agree to common rules to benefit ourselves and the people we like. Pure altruism is nonsense.
@@gohanprolife8389 if a fetus is a human,why can't pregnant women drive in hov lanes?
God doesn't know his own book. The Buybull never said one day he would hold me in his hands. That was the Allstate insurance salesman who said that. You're in good hands with Allstate.
He had a holyghostwriter.
I'm really beginning to get the sense that "evidences" has entered the language..
Who else shares my disappointment?
Part of the general cognitive decline caused by chronically defunded public education
"god" wouldn't say "nookyoulurr."
timestaaaaaaaaaaamps
Bonnie, I would be afraid to talk to you in person.
2nd that and I know "She Who Must Be Obeyed" would punch her in the face within the first 3 minutes.
God Almighty - WTF WTF WTF. I can't take it.
Did Johnny compare Kenneth to Sméagol?