The line from Botany Road through Matraville and Chifley will prove to be an excellent and surprising subject when the main tram line from the city to La Perouse via Maroubra Junction is discussed. Unfortunately, these Northern Beaches lines don't make it to the 1950s but it would have been great if they did.
Hi Marty, interesting to see that a lot of the reservation on this line is still there Thanks for sharing another excellent video. Take care. Rob in Melbourne Australia.
Also on a couple of buildings on the eastern side of Belgrave St, Manly, and on the fire station on Sydney Rd, Fairlight. It also looks like a few places along the route may have repurposed their rosettes as mounting points for awning stays - at least they look to be the right size and position.
As a bus driver in the 1980s there used to be a a bus parking lot between West Esplande and Gilbert Street. The parking lot had an old wooden shed with a toilet for the drivers and a very old clock. Interesting there were tram lines imbedded in the ash felt .With governments selling off public assets this became part of the redeveloped Manly Hotel site. Hence part of the reason for the shambolic disposition of buses parked willy nilly around Manly today.
Really interesting presentation, thank you. I live on George Street, Manly and would be intrigued to know what the dotted lines denote around where the tram did a horseshoe bend ?
Hi. thanks for the question.. the dotted lines meant that the tram line was at that point like a railway line - ie the rails were on track with rock ballast around it.
Thanks for the question. They were round metal objects where the overhead wires for the trams were affixed to the buildings along the route. They looked a little like a flower in their design. Hence the name. if you look around many of the inner suburbs you can still see them on some older buildings.
Yeah, I think there’s still one in the granite on the Martin Pl Commonwealth Bank building in the city. I think the rosette is on the Elizabeth St side of the building. There’s also a few of them in the sandstone near the bottom of Macquarie St, near the Opera House.
The tracks of the old Manly Wharf tram terminus were still in place in the late 1970's in a laneway linking The Esplanade and Gilbert Street, and located between Belgrave Street and Eustace Street and parallel to them. It's shown as an unnamed alley on a replica 1926 street directory, but looks like it was since sold off and serviced apartments built over it (and presumably the tracks lifted). It was doubled tracked but probably just a terminating spur to park trams off The Esplanade actual terminus. I do have a slide of it somewhere but can't find it right now. I suppose it was actually the property of the NSW Transport Dept whicj, when it became part of the NSW Public Transport Commission, sold off the laneway to the developers of those apartments.
Oh didn't know that. But after 60 to 70 years we will lose all the remnants of the original trams.. I was in O'Dea Ave in Zetland last week to take a shot of the trams tracks still visible for many years.. but alas they have been tarred over.. I was too late! Boo!!
@@backtracks.channel Hi, actually worse than tarred over - actually lifted for most of the length of O'Dea Avenue. I suppose that Sydney City Council decided that, as there are now real tram lines back in Sydney, the relics along O'Dea avenue were no longer important to keep. They were actually removed to make way for large drainage water pipes under the roadway, as the area can be subjected to flooding at times.
Thanks for the intel... funny you should mention the flooding as a few of the old photos of have seen of trams in O'Dea Ave they were actually going through water.
Thanks for the pick up. You are right. I made a typo. I meant to write it the way it was displayed on the destination roll. BALGO'LA'. I actually lived in Balgowlah for many years so you think of all the destinations I would get that one right :)
Off-topic but Bilgola is between Avalon and Newport. It would be a long tram ride up there from Manly. The whole area only looks established because of the age of this tram network. What I mean by established is the age of the housing between Seaforth and Manly. Prior to the age of the mass-produced combustion engine motor car outside of tram travel the most popular mode of transport to the city was via the harbour on the ferry. You don't really see housing of this vintage in Sutherland along the railway because of the cost of bringing bricks across on a punt so there must have been high-quality clay near Brookvale somewhere for a local brickworks to operate.
@@RangaTurk Yes, I've been to Bilgola quite a few times. From memory, Winifred Atwill, a singer/entertainer from the Sth Pacific or NZ had her home there in the '50's and '60's.
An interesting and very nicely done presentation, Thank You for posting!
Knew the Mosman suburb so well very nostalgic
The line from Botany Road through Matraville and Chifley will prove to be an excellent and surprising subject when the main tram line from the city to La Perouse via Maroubra Junction is discussed. Unfortunately, these Northern Beaches lines don't make it to the 1950s but it would have been great if they did.
Hi Marty, interesting to see that a lot of the reservation on this line is still there Thanks for sharing another excellent video. Take care. Rob in Melbourne Australia.
yes quite a bit I agree.. but the bush has really taken back over so getting harder to track the track....
Hi Marty. There are two rosettes still attached to either end of the facade of 363 Sydney Road, Balgowlah.
Also on a couple of buildings on the eastern side of Belgrave St, Manly, and on the fire station on Sydney Rd, Fairlight. It also looks like a few places along the route may have repurposed their rosettes as mounting points for awning stays - at least they look to be the right size and position.
Yep can see them on Maps.
Thanks. Will go and check them out.
As a bus driver in the 1980s there used to be a a bus parking lot between West Esplande and Gilbert Street. The parking lot had an old wooden shed with a toilet for the drivers and a very old clock. Interesting there were tram lines imbedded in the ash felt .With governments selling off public assets this became part of the redeveloped Manly Hotel site. Hence part of the reason for the shambolic disposition of buses parked willy nilly around Manly today.
Really interesting presentation, thank you. I live on George Street, Manly and would be intrigued to know what the dotted lines denote around where the tram did a horseshoe bend ?
Hi. thanks for the question.. the dotted lines meant that the tram line was at that point like a railway line - ie the rails were on track with rock ballast around it.
What is a rosette? What did it signify?
Thanks for the question. They were round metal objects where the overhead wires for the trams were affixed to the buildings along the route. They looked a little like a flower in their design. Hence the name. if you look around many of the inner suburbs you can still see them on some older buildings.
Yeah, I think there’s still one in the granite on the Martin Pl Commonwealth Bank building in the city. I think the rosette is on the Elizabeth St side of the building. There’s also a few of them in the sandstone near the bottom of Macquarie St, near the Opera House.
@@jonatankelu Interesting. I'll have a look next time I'm in Martin Place.
Aha, very interesting thank you very much
The tracks of the old Manly Wharf tram terminus were still in place in the late 1970's in a laneway linking The Esplanade and Gilbert Street, and located between Belgrave Street and Eustace Street and parallel to them. It's shown as an unnamed alley on a replica 1926 street directory, but looks like it was since sold off and serviced apartments built over it (and presumably the tracks lifted). It was doubled tracked but probably just a terminating spur to park trams off The Esplanade actual terminus. I do have a slide of it somewhere but can't find it right now.
I suppose it was actually the property of the NSW Transport Dept whicj, when it became part of the NSW Public Transport Commission, sold off the laneway to the developers of those apartments.
Oh didn't know that. But after 60 to 70 years we will lose all the remnants of the original trams.. I was in O'Dea Ave in Zetland last week to take a shot of the trams tracks still visible for many years.. but alas they have been tarred over.. I was too late! Boo!!
@@backtracks.channel Hi, actually worse than tarred over - actually lifted for most of the length of O'Dea Avenue. I suppose that Sydney City Council decided that, as there are now real tram lines back in Sydney, the relics along O'Dea avenue were no longer important to keep. They were actually removed to make way for large drainage water pipes under the roadway, as the area can be subjected to flooding at times.
Thanks for the intel... funny you should mention the flooding as a few of the old photos of have seen of trams in O'Dea Ave they were actually going through water.
I wonder where Balglo'la' is? A suburb previously unknown to me (and to most others watching as well).
@BB49 I had not thought of that, A very odd abbreviation - it contains as many characters as the name itself, for a start.
@BB49 That explains it. It was the placing of the first "l" which got me.
Thanks for the pick up. You are right. I made a typo. I meant to write it the way it was displayed on the destination roll. BALGO'LA'. I actually lived in Balgowlah for many years so you think of all the destinations I would get that one right :)
Off-topic but Bilgola is between Avalon and Newport. It would be a long tram ride up there from Manly. The whole area only looks established because of the age of this tram network. What I mean by established is the age of the housing between Seaforth and Manly. Prior to the age of the mass-produced combustion engine motor car outside of tram travel the most popular mode of transport to the city was via the harbour on the ferry. You don't really see housing of this vintage in Sutherland along the railway because of the cost of bringing bricks across on a punt so there must have been high-quality clay near Brookvale somewhere for a local brickworks to operate.
@@RangaTurk Yes, I've been to Bilgola quite a few times. From memory, Winifred Atwill, a singer/entertainer from the Sth Pacific or NZ had her home there in the '50's and '60's.
👍👍👍👍💯😇🍺 My late father told me about the manly network he said he loved ridding on it.
Thanks for the share. Great memories.