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Being an apprentice on London Transport in the late 70’s, they built a new workshop with a big shaper, purely for cutting tapers on railway lines, for points and cross overs. All worked fine for a few months until a big job came in, the shaper was set to max stroke, for the first time. When switched on the ram moved back and crashed straight through the rear wall of the building.
@@bradyoung6663 That would depend on whether or not you were the one in charge of placing the machine or just watching the new machine being put through it's paces...if you were in charge of placement, you now have some explaining to do as to why you didn't know how far back the ram moved and why the machine wasn't placed far enough away from the wall to ensure it had clearance and it's a HORRIBLE day at work...if you were just watching, it's a GREAT day at work... What I wanna know is were there any people on the other side of the wall when the arm came smashing through it? Can you just picture it, a couple of people standing near or walking past that wall having a conversation when SMASH! there's chunks of concrete block flying everywhere and the wall now has a new window...that would most definitely be a WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT!?! moment...
My Dad’s shop was much like what yours is today just 50 years difference in age. It was a one man master machinists shop with one large hollow spindle, and a LeBlond for fine work. A shaper similar in size to yours, a radial arm drill (very large) for line boring and some types of large scale mill work. Our mill was a early Bridgeport. Welding at that time was Gas and Arc. Of course a myriad of other machines and devices purchased from places upgrading tools or auctions of failed companies. I worked there every Saturday cleaning and lubing. I’ve never seen another machinist other than him that seemed to absorb and understand metallurgy like you do. It’s becoming a lost art. You are a true master machinist and it’s an art form in your hands. Thanks for reviving the memories of my dad.
I love watching shapers... just the simplicity of how the tool works in addition to the raw material removal... and the sound is never the shrill sound that you sometimes get with chatter on a mill. I think I could watch a shaper run all day and never get bored with it
Shapers have always been one of those relaxing machines to watch operate. I know it's better for the tool to be lifted on back stroke however there is something satisfying about the "clap" at the end of the back stroke. Those were some pretty massive curly-Qs she was making. No doubt someone into metal art would love some of those pieces to work with.
@@LeonardRoberts Yeah, just like steam locos. A fascinating and mesmerising spectacle (but in the positive sense of this word) to watch. And they share some other characteristic with those majestic behemoths of bygone era - "you can make anything you want with them, except the money" ;-) But yes, a fun to watch. I saw "my" first shaper in action at my secondary school workshop, and that was like... uh, time flies - in 1980 or '81. It was a rather small shop, just few lathes, one horizontal milling machine, welding area, one big press-drill and one small one, and few big workbenches with sturdy vices ("vises" for those on the wrong side of the pond ;-) AND a tiny shaper. Which instantly draw my attention the moment I saw it at work. I guess there's something "human-like" in workings of steam locos and shapers... But I'd rather don't delve into the latter case, wink wink, nudge nudge... ;-) TOT made a good joke about it, check the link in my other comment here. Cheers!
@MrKotBonifacy A big fan of steam locomotive, steam tractors and old fuel oil tractors (yes I know technically call traction motors). Simple yet elegant.
Back in the late 1970s I occasionally operated a Klopp 1000 Shaper in the PTCNSW workshop in Randwick. We used the shaper to finish machine the profile and angles on long cast iron chocks that are used in the assembly of railway crossings. It was my first introduction to the shaper and it was a steep learning curve. This video brought back memeories.
In one of the factories, I worked, we had a 650. But with mechanical gearbox. It was the pride and joy of my boss, because this was the first machine, he bought new. To see your machine completely rusted... I just wanted to cry. Good, that you want to restore it. The wide sidesteps are very useful. Take a chisel with a radius of 80 to 100 mm, then you can use a cutting depth of 0.2mm by a sidestep of up to 8mm. Then you get a surface, that you see on older drilling presses or milling machines. On the table, where the wises are sitting. And with this machine... there is no other machine, who can make this surfaces faster. Sorry, if something reads a bit weird, I'm not an English native speaker, I only had it in school 40 years ago. I'm living in Germany. Greetings from Stuttgart.
Hey Dirk, in diesem Video ist mit "depth of cut" die vertikale Einstellung und mit "step over" die horizontale Einstellung gemeint. Ich dachte bisher immer, dass mit depth of cut das Maß gemeint ist, mit dem man Material in einem Zug abnimmt. Aber bei einem "Shaper" scheint wohl eine andere Benennung zu herrschen. Wie nennt man so ein Gerät überhaupt auf Deutsch? Ich kenne das nur aus englischsprachigen Videos. Ich bin kein Schlosser oder Feinmechaniker, sondern Elektriker. So ist mit das alles nicht so geläufig. Aber ich interessiere mich trotzdem sehr und schaue schon seit Jahren Videos, wie Leute Metall in Späne verwandeln.
@@Baerschi100 da sich hier der Kopf mit dem Meißel bewegt, ist das eine Stoßmaschine. Bewegt sich stattdessen der Tisch, spricht man von einer Hobelmaschine. Ich kenne allerdings viele, für die alles eine Hobelmaschine ist. Korrekt ist aber die oben beschriebene Unterscheidung. Ach ja, ich bin ausgebildeter Industriemechaniker und Industriemeister IHK. Ich sollte also wissen, wovon ich rede. Zumindest auf deutsch. 😅
@@Baerschi100 außerdem stimmt es dann, was ich geschrieben habe. Willst du Breitschlichthobeln, wählst du einen Meißel mit 100er Radius, stellst 0,2 mm zu und versetzst den Meißel mit jedem Hub um 8 mm. Dadurch bekommst du das Bild, was du häufig auf älteren Bohr- oder Fräsmaschinen auf den Tischen siehst.
Very impressive machine! Thirty years ago, I when I was a apprentice, I used to work on its little brother, a Klopp 625. Amazing how a German shaper has found its way down under. Greetings from Hamburg, Germany
I was taught as a teenager to run a shaper, almost the dimensions of your Klopp. It was in a small machine shop with 10 employees, but when they wanted something fairly large to be nice and straight, this was the machine that got used. I can still smell that oil being turned to smoke and hear that click when the shaving comes flying off the tool at the end of the stroke. Love it... Hope you get enough time to show the restoration with your friend, can't wait to see how well it turns out... It will be a nice tool for your great shop... Thanks as always for the great video and the funny bits... Homeless is certainly in charge there.... I know that feeling well also...
I'm from England. I am amazed at this blokes skill level and knowledge. Plus it is so informative. The other plus he is clearly a nice guy. I am glues to each program and so surprised this topic would be for me. Thanks
We used two of these in the workshop of the NedStaal steel foundry in the Netherlands. They were from june 1961, never broke down and required minimal maintenance. Built like a tank.
We had the small one at school. Shop teacher spoke highly of it, we did one course and project on it as a lesson. Something cool, southing about the nice long cuts. I seem to remember warnings about the “there’s no stopping it, so make sure the setup is correct”. I cringe when I think of these machines going in the melt furnaces, they are worth so much more than their weight in scrap.
Gday Kurtis and Karen, what an awesome machine and every inch does matter😉, I’m really looking forward to heading up there and helping out with the restoration, I’m quite sure once the vice is on and the tools has less stick out it will do a 30mm+ doc, I’ll be in touch very soon mate, awesome video as always, have a great weekend, cheers
First thing I said to myself was "hope he's gonna restore that beauty", so I'll be looking forward to your videos. Well, actually first thing I said was "that truck is NOT gonna work"
I'm from Russia and I don't always understand everything. but I always enjoy watching. I, too, have spent my whole life with appliances in the garage and have seen many masters. I want to say that you are the best! Bravo!
Hi love these size machines. They remind me so much of my apprenticeship in the Sheffield steel works where all the machinery was huge ,this would have been a small machine in those days. Fireball tools has a 36inch Cincinnati shaper that weighs 11000 lbs (around 5.5tonnes).I would love to see you two colaborate on a project one day using both machines.Keep making these sorts of videos as everyone will love them.👍👌
Two things. Firstly, it's great to see your yard crane in action - I love that machine. Second, It's nice to see someone demonstrating a shaper's capabilities. I was lucky enough to spend time in the workshops at university when the big shaper was being run. The sheer amount of metal that can be removed in a single pass is astonishing. I look forward to seeing progress on this.
Oh, this is a blast from the past!!! It's been almost 30 year's since I last ran a shaper and that was only a couple of years after I started in the machinist trade. And yes, you summed it up very well; for what a shaper can do, it can do very well, extremely efficiently. It's just that it's range of use is very nitche specific, which is why they're obsolete for day to day use. But for what you want to use it for??? Ace in the hole!!! And when you get it restored and finally placed, this is one machine you're going to need to grout the base on, otherwise the outboard table support will be useless. I'm betting that the manual that your friend copied should have the correct instructions to do it right. You're also going to want build a chip trap for it, otherwise your neighborhood will come hunting for your head about flat tires.... That first shop out of high school had personal experience with that before they added one....
A tip for moving heavy stuff is getting some steel pipes underneath, it would almost roll out of that conteiner by itself. Or get some steel underneath with some grease to minimize friction, with the wood floor you need a lot more pullingforce to overcome the friction.
A machine shop I worked for had a Rockwell shaper just a little smaller than this one. We cut large internal splines, as I recall about 6 bananas in diameter. the spline grooves were a banana wide and it made the full width in one cut, about .040 banana deep per cut, in 4140. It didn't have an automatic downfeed so we built a ratchet mechanism to feed it down on the backstroke.
Back when I was an apprentice in '75 I spent almost a year just on shapers. Even with HSS I have found it very rare since then to find another machine that can move metal quickly as a well set up shaper. Powerful and with the right equipment can be quite accurate. We had 4 of them, the largest was the 36" Cincinnati. Total beast. I'm looking forward to this machine being restored and then making lots of chips.
What an absolutely beautiful and very capable machine. Really looking forward to a full restoration. Abom79 will be envious I'm sure. Regards Mark in the UK
Great machine made in my Home Country and KLOPP is still existing and still producing Heavy-Duty, Hydraulic Traversing, High-Speed Shaping Machines. Again a great video
Old machines like this I find fascinating. The level of precision maintained without the use of computers I think is astonishing. Glad to hear that it will be restored. There are just too many machines like this just rusting and rotting away in old junkyards. *Just because it doesn't have a digital readout or a color flat-screen doesn't make it junk! Thank you for saving her!!!*
Fantastic. You have taken me back in time 40 years from when I first used this machine. I was beginning to study professional training and at the age of 15, seeing that monster work in my hands was an optical illusion, I couldn't stop looking at how he worked. I wish I could be there with you restoring that beauty and leaving it as it was when it left the factory. Good luck with the project and may you enjoy it for many years. A hug to the channel.
WOW, what a machine! I am extremely impressed. It reminds me of my apprenticeship when the only machines we had were clapped out WWII lathes, a pillar drill and a likewise worn shaper. What a beauty it is, can't wait to see it fully restored to its original glorious condition. Good one.👍 Karen excelled herself giggling in this vid. There are three things that come to mind: a) you have lots of space to play in, b) you have lots of machinery to play with and c) you know how to use it all to perfection.😎
I cant stand watching Adam anymore! He used to be good. Now hes just after the $$. This would be a 7 part video with 50 or more ads. Curtis and Karen have nailed it 100%. Best channel on Utube by far.
Abom has that big open side shaper stored at his buddies place in central Florida. Now that he has his new shop space, I’m sure it will be one of the next machines to get moved in there.
Lately the only Abom sized thing on Abom's channel is Abom himself. I do hope he gets back to the actual (heavy) machining instead of all of the sponsored content, trips and other stuff
@@WoLpH I wanna hear him talk us through big stuff again too, but it's nice that he took it easy for a while, hopefully for a run-up into big stuff in the big new shoppe!
This thing is insane. You really schooled me on this. Thanks for the class. I salute you for keeping something that is known for quality engineering and built-like-a-tank. Wishing you all get this machine restored to better than new. Howdy from Alabama USA. All the Best. Bert
In Canada I grew up using the banana scale then in 1970 we changed to metric. My mind works measuring in inches but I drive in Km's but its still a bottle of beer mate. What a machine that shaper is and can't wait to see it used as part of a job. Homeless looking pretty official in that sweet work shirt. Thnx for the video and cheers.
I’m not a religious man but when you straddled that chain under tension as you winched the shaper out of the shed it had me saying a quick prayer for you. It all worked out thankfully. This is awesome content. Thank you. You live in a world that resonates with me.
That is one heck of a machine. This has been a brilliant video, informative and infused with so much of your characters. You guys rock. Friday mornings in Scotland have got a whole lot more fun since I found this channel.
The manufacture and engineering of this machine is just phenomenol. Made to do vast amounts of work over generations of worker's lives. Let's also take a moment to properly appreciate that this truly amazing machine was made in a post war Germany after only a mere five years of everything being literally flattened by thousands of bombing raids. That makes this machine's creation go from impressive to completely mind boggling. Put into perspective, I'd say there's still only a handful of places around the world with the heavy industry that are still capable of making this kind of machine from scratch. Oh and surprise surprise guys, I just checked and unlike most of our big machine makers from the 1950's in the UK, Klopp are still very much indeed making milling machines. No doubt if this machine ever requires a replacement part (unlikely), Klopp would be willing to provide...... So this machine is definitely something that needs to be taken care of and appreciated for what it really is. Thanks for uploading this video on TH-cam.
Absolutely. US and USSR took the megapresses of Germany. I read one of the factories the press was looted from- throughouly flattened- the owner said, "well, they took our tools- so now we'll have to make bigger and better tools- and they made a 40,000 tonne press", USA's ALCOA Press 50,000 tonne press was refurbished in Germany- the only nation bar Russia with the machinery and casting facilities to make it.The Soviet 50,000 tonne Press was based on the 25,000, 30,000 and 35,000 tonne German presses and in China- always playing catch-up in game everyone else stopped playing- took a Soviet press, (essentially German) beefed it up and 75,000 tonne press. Much like their Soyuz-based Long March missiles.
When I started my apprenticeship in 1974 we had several of these shapers in the college machine shop. One day we set one going on the max speed, max stroke length and max depth of cut. The thing jumped around so much it pulled the bolts right out of the concrete floor and slid backwards into an internal brick wall whereupon the back of the ram started knocking bricks out into the corridor next door! We were too shit-scared to go near the damn thing to turn it off, it was leaping around all over the place. Fortunately one of the lecturers heard it knocking the wall down, ran into the workshop and switched it off at the isolator otherwise it would probably have knocked down the entire two-storey building! These things are brutal, I only ever saw them used in college and never in actual manufacturing, I suppose milling machines made them obsolete.
What a shame YT wasn't around back then. Would have made for a hilarious video..... especially if you photoshopped some some minions at the controls 🤣🤣
Never worked on one and only ever seen one working in Sheffield, England. Must have been, and still is up to a point, an impressive machine in its day. Weird thing was as Kurtis added oil to the cut I could swear that I could smell the oil burning with that particular acrid odour. Great post and looking forward to seeing more of it being refurbished and operating.
What a beast!!! The only thing that could've made this video even more fun would be editing in Homey taking a turn at pulling this monster out of the container after all the machines failed!!! This thing is impressive Kurtis, Thx for sharing it with us! And Matty, we're waiting.....😁
That takes me back. I was an apprentice engineer in 1964. Worked on a Cincinnati shaper as part of my training. It was nowhere as big as yours. It was a great machine to work with. I machined intricate bits on ratchet pawls, that had previously filed. I did like working on the shaper. Thanks for another great video.
Gee Kurt's you have nailed it this time what a beauty, I have a 1940 Cincinnati hyd shaper used in the ford motor company armaments factory for war production. Absolutely love them never get sick of using it great for dovetail joints. Great machine German quality and have a ball w it have a day.
I work at the old ford factory in Geelong, Victoria at Marand precision engineering. Where we use the old Okuma mill that ford use to make castings and other things with it (huge machines)
When you’re taking deep cuts try turning the clapper box so it points into the cut ( clockwise in the cut you showed) then straighten the tool in the tool holder. This allows the too to lift up and away from the cut face so the tool doesn’t rub on the side face of the work
That thing is an absolute beast! There's something about the way they work which makes it seem like nothing could stop a shaper, though you were definitely giving it a workout with some of those heavier cuts! Looks like a great addition to your workshop, I bet you can't wait to use it properly!
man, like a kid in a candy store. congrats getting into the shop. we just recived two of those 40' one trip shipping containers. They are awesome! Now I have to pick one up for my hunting camp in the woods. Thanks for sharing. I just discovered your channel. I enjoy it immensely. Cheers from Louisiana USA.
does fireball tool have you beat on this one? still amazing equipment, glad to see it up and running! EDIT: fireball tool has a 36 inch shaper and yours is 39.5 bananas. Absolute UNIT
This is a perfect example of the phrase -- they just don't make things like they used to. Wow, what a monster of a machine! Love the content and vids...keep up the great work mate.
So, finally back and able to watch my favourite youtube feature!!! This looks like an awesome machine, looking forward to what you are doing with it. Have a nice weekend! Ohh and don't forget the coffee.... tastes better out of a CEE-mug!
I'm a mechanic and a fabricator and I love watching the way you work on a lathe you do real nice work awesome keep up the good work I've been watching your videos Eric from Florida
Love see'ing the shop grow! I'm not even in the trade of machining stuff but its fun/interesting to watch the processes. Video editing keeps getting better and better too! Top Notch vid as always you two.
Having used a slotter on Bis80 with HSS, when i saw that lump being clamped down i was hoping i would t be dissappointed.... i wasnt!! Awesome to see a shaper taking a decent cut!!
An one inch cut with a one inch tool all day long with that old girl. Get inventive and stack a couple one inchers out and make some serious chips happening, LOL.
Fireball has some real competition in the shaper department now. I absolutely loved this video and cannot wait to see the restoration process. I binge watched all of your vids while I was on quarantine and they were all incredible. And we all love homie! Keep it up!
I have relatives in Australia and every time I hear Keith talk he reminded me of there accent mate ! My spelling is not that great excuse me fore it just want to say great show ! Watch it when ever I get a chance keep up the excellent work love the show! With your knowledge and skills !
Until this absolute unit, the largest I've seen on YT is Jason's 36" Cincinnati. And the fact that you can just fire it up and make chips after all these years is gravy!!! I can't wait to see those resto colab vids with Matty, so awesome!!!😊👊
@@praetorxianwhen he makes "educational" videos telling people to do certain things when he doesn't understand/comprehend the science and if he starts claiming facts to suit his narrative and sell particular brands, then I will let others know there are alternative brands 5x cheaper as well as better techniques to use the tools.
@@janeblogs324 I can never watch his videos. Get tired of some one constantly plugging their own products and the constant jumping from scene to scene is aggravating. I love the simple here it is watch it or not video style like CEE's and some others. Oh and did I mention I am totally done watching ABOM, yes he used to be my favorite channel, now all he puts out is videos about all the free stuff he gets and 3 part videos on how to put holes in a square plate.
What a beast ! These are the most under utilized piece of equipment out there. They can be set up to be deadly accurate with a good cleaning and some loving. I know that your considering this as a non dust collector you will make the big old girl shine once again.
@@LordOfChaos.x Properly set up they will run in a couple thou so for many cases they are fine. Most certainty not a candidate for a DRO though, LOL. As a roughing situation for castings they really shine as that is why they were made.
@webtoedman well i believe u maybe with the right tool and cutting speeds u could achive something like that on small areas but i wouldnt trust it really I rather mill a surface for 10 min than spending 3 hours on a shaper
That shaper is super cool! I hope you can get to setting this up and show us how to restore it and make it as precise you need it. It looks like it could cut right through a tank's armor plating.
What a nice old machine. It was hogging off some big pieces of material. It just proves that these old machines were engineered to last for decades. I love your videos. Keep em coming. I love the dog too. He's awesome Cheers from Maine, USA.😁👍🇺🇸
Love your old school attitude Dude. Operated many of the machines you show in a long career in various countries. It has to be tough to make them pay in this day and age.
Nice to see a metal shaper in action again. Mine is probably about 1/3 the size of yours and not hydraulically driven, unfortunately, but it still gets the job done. It is a 16" machine and features a three speed manual transmission, as well as cross and depth auto feeds. I attempted to run it in third gear once, but it started to walk across the shop! When I first got it home, I used pipe rollers to move it into my shop. When I moved 1120 miles North, I used the same method and it worked a treat. One person can move it anywhere needed. You can cut internal and external gears and keyways and this machine will do anything a horizontal or vertical milling machine can do and many things they cannot. What contributed to killing these machines was that they were never made CNC and someone had to sit and watch the "blazing clock springs" be thrown all over the shop when in operation. One of the first things I made with mine was shaped thick contour steel blocks to fit the contours of the various magnetos I rebuild and restore, so that remagnetizing them is optimally effective. Two caveats through: I would have lubricated the slides before firing up this machine and be extremely careful, because the ram doesn't really care what is in front of it and it will complete its cycle, regardless! Have fun with it, they are marvelous machines and even though I don't use it every day - sometimes not even every year - it is always there when I need it and nothing else will do the job. Keep up the good work and thinks for posting it for all to enjoy.
Ah it’s great to see some good rigging for a change. Come a longs, chains, straps and shackles. Grew up in family business with cranes, fabrication, forklifts etc. Also I must commend your machining and welding skills. Lots of good machinists on TH-cam but not so many great welders. 👍🏻
Awesome. I would love to see more of this on the channel in the future. Abom79 and fireball tools both have shapers. Can make a very smooth surface if used correctly
Everything old is new again. Your Klopp is really cool. Fireball tool, Mr. Pete, and Abom79 are all into shapers pretty big, too. You might want to view some of their videos sometime. Enjoyed the video, thanks.
@@koen8973 Jasons Cincinatt is only 36", and was demonstrated doing 11/16ths@20thou, where Kurtis took 1" with a lot of tool hangover. The Cincinnati does 'look' bigger, but it's not.
Love watching Curtis at his smartest and dumbest moments. 🤣 Lists off stats like he designed it himself and seeing him struggle to say it smoothly really makes for great entertainment. 👍 love the videos dude.
To your wife, your dog and the Ace mechanic machinist. I watch every video you do. I've never seen somebody so talented in my entire life. You make things better than you are so awesome. I am I ask myself. How did you get so smart? God bless all of you. Be careful. Bye for now.
Again, back in the early 80s there was a massive shaper at the engineering plant I worked at. The bed with jobs moved rather than the tool. It was ginormous, the bed was about 20metres long and Frick knows how high. I loved it.
We had a smaller one in the early 70's in the apprentice training school. No idea of the make, we had to use it to cut slots into one of the test items. Most things were then being transferred over to the milling machines. We all hated the swarf off the millers because it would cut your fingers so easily. I still have most of the test items from that time.
Just hook one of those tug-of-war type toys to the shaper and Homey would have dragged it out of that container in an eyeblink. Tie one to the head of the shaper when its running and Homey would be set for hours of fun playing tug-of-war with it. Until the shaper got tired that is.
Hello Kurtis, Great to see the Klopp in action... it going to make for lots of wonderful footage in the future and you could not have selected a nicer guy to restore the machine than Matty... Take care. Paul,,
As long as one does not hit you ,we used to put a screen in front of ours and a chip pan for them to drop into. Someone forgot one day and a guy took a big chip to the back of the neck ten yards away . To say he was pissed would be an understatement !
Not often I can offer a tip but here is one. When trying to drag something like you were at the start wet the wood. Ideally lift up to get under the bearing rods / pallet whatever its on but that's just for the first move. I have used this to move many a heavy object up to about a ton purely by hand. The lowering in friction is a god send!
That machine looks to be in excellent condition. I don’t know what you think about hydraulic drive but, I would much rather that,than mechanical drive. I am looking forward to seeing this one cut some chips.It sure is a beast.
I've used both mechanical (Cincinatti's) and hydraulic (Rockford's) and while the hydraulic offers certain advantages the noise does get to you. Not as noisy as a large Mattison surface grinder though. The Rockfords we had featured a hydraulically operated pick feed on the compound slide for cutting angled faces. We had an engineer tell us once that shapers are obsolete because they only cut one way. They may not be as efficient as other machines but for a manual machine the only thing that removes more stock faster IMO is a band saw. Plus there are some jobs that only a shaping type operation can do.
Love it when business's like yours are able to expand and grow. Who knows eventually you'll have to start hiring more employees, which will be fun to watch. Looks like you need to make a device to automatically lube the cutting tool.
Love the machine. It might be old, but it's doing a great job and I can see a lot of possibilities for it. Really enjoy ya'll's videos. C U next time. Watching in NE Texas on a cold winter night.
That is a good size shaper you have there! 31:38 - That is one impressive peace of swarf. 35:42 - Also good for destroying your boot sole if you step on a fresh hot one .
An interesting tool that I've never seen in action before. Is there a possibility of putting a coolent system on the table so that you don't have to keep spraying the work down with cutting oil?
You need to always angle the clapper box so the tool will lift on the return stroke while the feed occurs. The automatic tool lifter is also a requirement when you are using a carbide tool bit as the carbide will fracture from the dragging of the tool. Definitely a great machine...I use mine mostly for taking the bark of hot rolled steel. A large HSS tool bit will last over a year and is easily sharpened on a bench grinder saving lots of dollars.
Really enjoyed this vid - thanks. Everybody is talking about how you got the shaper out of the shipping container, but how did you originally get it into the container? Really looking forward to the refurb collaboration with Matty - maybe have a viewer poll on what colour it will be? All the best, Paul
Hey mate I got it in pretty much the same way I got it out, craned it to the door and come-alonged it in there 😅 That's a good poll idea, we know these models were either grey or green but not sure to stay original or change it up completely!
A hefty machine. I remember attending a Unit 14 auction in Sheffield, UK, in the late '80s or early '90s and there was a shaper there, maybe a TOS or a STANKO that was a true monster. I think it was a step up from this babe. Many years ago, when money was short, I bought a shaper but later traded it in for a Bridgeport mill. Can't say I ever looked back :-)
I've worked as a machinist and blacksmith. You absolutely could (and we do) make art from those chips. Having some that size/weight would be terrific. 😀 Andcyou have a wonderfully smart and mischievous doggo! I get stupidly excited about machines like this, what I'd have given to have one in the shop when I was working... I realize these machines may be considered as "obsolete" but, there's just some things best done no other way. It would be good to see these be made once again to broaden the repertoire and reputation of any good machine shop and operator (if not just to keep others from feuding over bidding wars when you can find one). The engineering and design that goes into them is technically "simple" compared to the production of modern equipment but, the concepts in their development are nothing less than genius. And the materials and execution are made to last a lifetime, not 10yrs before you need a new one. This and a Bridgeport are a formidable duo and, speaking of design, the Bridgeport (to my best knowledge) is still the only machine that, aside from the main casting, can reproduce every part of itself, allowing for the perpetual operation of the machine. Technology is grand but I believe the golden years, glory days... Or however you wish to describe them of man's insight and innovation in creating such things is gone forever as everything we come up with now is ultimately just variations of a theme. Newer and "better" ways to do what these did first, only in man's imagination. I'm aware there are specialty machines for some unique tasks but... With this, a Bridgeport mill, a lathe and a 4 axis CAD machine, I don't think there's anything a shop couldn't do. 4 machines to conquer the world! 😀 I do wish I was on the same continent, I'd make the trip just to come and see this shop in operation with some of the unique jobs you do. It'd be a treat and an honor, my hat's off.
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Fireball tools has you beat I think.
Yeah, I was going to say Fireballs wins this measuring competition.
@@HairyNumbNuts abom79
@@jakesteel3641 I think Abom79’s current biggest is a 36” and as we were so clearly reminded by Kurtis in this video, “every inch counts”
@@ThatPNWGuy2024 Fireball Tools is 36" this is 39"
Being an apprentice on London Transport in the late 70’s, they built a new workshop with a big shaper, purely for cutting tapers on railway lines, for points and cross overs. All worked fine for a few months until a big job came in, the shaper was set to max stroke, for the first time. When switched on the ram moved back and crashed straight through the rear wall of the building.
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Oops......
Big oops !
I'm not sure if that's a rough day at work, or a great day at work.
@@bradyoung6663 That would depend on whether or not you were the one in charge of placing the machine or just watching the new machine being put through it's paces...if you were in charge of placement, you now have some explaining to do as to why you didn't know how far back the ram moved and why the machine wasn't placed far enough away from the wall to ensure it had clearance and it's a HORRIBLE day at work...if you were just watching, it's a GREAT day at work...
What I wanna know is were there any people on the other side of the wall when the arm came smashing through it? Can you just picture it, a couple of people standing near or walking past that wall having a conversation when SMASH! there's chunks of concrete block flying everywhere and the wall now has a new window...that would most definitely be a WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT!?! moment...
My Dad’s shop was much like what yours is today just 50 years difference in age. It was a one man master machinists shop with one large hollow spindle, and a LeBlond for fine work. A shaper similar in size to yours, a radial arm drill (very large) for line boring and some types of large scale mill work. Our mill was a early Bridgeport. Welding at that time was Gas and Arc. Of course a myriad of other machines and devices purchased from places upgrading tools or auctions of failed companies. I worked there every Saturday cleaning and lubing. I’ve never seen another machinist other than him that seemed to absorb and understand metallurgy like you do. It’s becoming a lost art. You are a true master machinist and it’s an art form in your hands. Thanks for reviving the memories of my dad.
Beautiful story
I love watching shapers... just the simplicity of how the tool works in addition to the raw material removal... and the sound is never the shrill sound that you sometimes get with chatter on a mill. I think I could watch a shaper run all day and never get bored with it
Right on!
It's shaper porn, really.
Shapers have always been one of those relaxing machines to watch operate. I know it's better for the tool to be lifted on back stroke however there is something satisfying about the "clap" at the end of the back stroke. Those were some pretty massive curly-Qs she was making. No doubt someone into metal art would love some of those pieces to work with.
@@LeonardRoberts Yeah, just like steam locos. A fascinating and mesmerising spectacle (but in the positive sense of this word) to watch. And they share some other characteristic with those majestic behemoths of bygone era - "you can make anything you want with them, except the money" ;-)
But yes, a fun to watch. I saw "my" first shaper in action at my secondary school workshop, and that was like... uh, time flies - in 1980 or '81. It was a rather small shop, just few lathes, one horizontal milling machine, welding area, one big press-drill and one small one, and few big workbenches with sturdy vices ("vises" for those on the wrong side of the pond ;-) AND a tiny shaper. Which instantly draw my attention the moment I saw it at work.
I guess there's something "human-like" in workings of steam locos and shapers... But I'd rather don't delve into the latter case, wink wink, nudge nudge... ;-) TOT made a good joke about it, check the link in my other comment here. Cheers!
@MrKotBonifacy A big fan of steam locomotive, steam tractors and old fuel oil tractors (yes I know technically call traction motors). Simple yet elegant.
Back in the late 1970s I occasionally operated a Klopp 1000 Shaper in the PTCNSW workshop in Randwick. We used the shaper to finish machine the profile and angles on long cast iron chocks that are used in the assembly of railway crossings. It was my first introduction to the shaper and it was a steep learning curve. This video brought back memeories.
In one of the factories, I worked, we had a 650. But with mechanical gearbox. It was the pride and joy of my boss, because this was the first machine, he bought new. To see your machine completely rusted... I just wanted to cry. Good, that you want to restore it.
The wide sidesteps are very useful. Take a chisel with a radius of 80 to 100 mm, then you can use a cutting depth of 0.2mm by a sidestep of up to 8mm. Then you get a surface, that you see on older drilling presses or milling machines. On the table, where the wises are sitting.
And with this machine... there is no other machine, who can make this surfaces faster.
Sorry, if something reads a bit weird, I'm not an English native speaker, I only had it in school 40 years ago. I'm living in Germany. Greetings from Stuttgart.
Hey Dirk, in diesem Video ist mit "depth of cut" die vertikale Einstellung und mit "step over" die horizontale Einstellung gemeint. Ich dachte bisher immer, dass mit depth of cut das Maß gemeint ist, mit dem man Material in einem Zug abnimmt. Aber bei einem "Shaper" scheint wohl eine andere Benennung zu herrschen. Wie nennt man so ein Gerät überhaupt auf Deutsch? Ich kenne das nur aus englischsprachigen Videos. Ich bin kein Schlosser oder Feinmechaniker, sondern Elektriker. So ist mit das alles nicht so geläufig. Aber ich interessiere mich trotzdem sehr und schaue schon seit Jahren Videos, wie Leute Metall in Späne verwandeln.
@@Baerschi100 da sich hier der Kopf mit dem Meißel bewegt, ist das eine Stoßmaschine. Bewegt sich stattdessen der Tisch, spricht man von einer Hobelmaschine. Ich kenne allerdings viele, für die alles eine Hobelmaschine ist. Korrekt ist aber die oben beschriebene Unterscheidung.
Ach ja, ich bin ausgebildeter Industriemechaniker und Industriemeister IHK. Ich sollte also wissen, wovon ich rede. Zumindest auf deutsch. 😅
@@Baerschi100 außerdem stimmt es dann, was ich geschrieben habe. Willst du Breitschlichthobeln, wählst du einen Meißel mit 100er Radius, stellst 0,2 mm zu und versetzst den Meißel mit jedem Hub um 8 mm. Dadurch bekommst du das Bild, was du häufig auf älteren Bohr- oder Fräsmaschinen auf den Tischen siehst.
Very impressive machine! Thirty years ago, I when I was a apprentice, I used to work on its little brother, a Klopp 625. Amazing how a German shaper has found its way down under. Greetings from Hamburg, Germany
Probably there are not too many of them manufactured here! (ie in Oz)
I was taught as a teenager to run a shaper, almost the dimensions of your Klopp. It was in a small machine shop with 10 employees, but when they wanted something fairly large to be nice and straight, this was the machine that got used. I can still smell that oil being turned to smoke and hear that click when the shaving comes flying off the tool at the end of the stroke. Love it... Hope you get enough time to show the restoration with your friend, can't wait to see how well it turns out... It will be a nice tool for your great shop... Thanks as always for the great video and the funny bits... Homeless is certainly in charge there.... I know that feeling well also...
I'm from England. I am amazed at this blokes skill level and knowledge. Plus it is so informative. The other plus he is clearly a nice guy. I am glues to each program and so surprised this topic would be for me. Thanks
We used two of these in the workshop of the NedStaal steel foundry in the Netherlands. They were from june 1961, never broke down and required minimal maintenance. Built like a tank.
So, with room for a crew inside?
@@rikard4511 a little man rides a bicycle providing the coolant.
We had the small one at school. Shop teacher spoke highly of it, we did one course and project on it as a lesson. Something cool, southing about the nice long cuts. I seem to remember warnings about the “there’s no stopping it, so make sure the setup is correct”. I cringe when I think of these machines going in the melt furnaces, they are worth so much more than their weight in scrap.
Gday Kurtis and Karen, what an awesome machine and every inch does matter😉, I’m really looking forward to heading up there and helping out with the restoration, I’m quite sure once the vice is on and the tools has less stick out it will do a 30mm+ doc, I’ll be in touch very soon mate, awesome video as always, have a great weekend, cheers
We're looking forward to it mate should be a good project with your help! Cheers 😎👍
Looks like I’ll have to sub to Matty’s Workshop as well. Did I hear a yes? 😉
Nice of you Matty to go and help with the shaper. Don't forget to bring your camera :) That's gonna be really interesting videos.
First thing I said to myself was "hope he's gonna restore that beauty", so I'll be looking forward to your videos.
Well, actually first thing I said was "that truck is NOT gonna work"
Matty has to be the antipodean shaper go to bloke 👏
I'm from Russia and I don't always understand everything. but I always enjoy watching. I, too, have spent my whole life with appliances in the garage and have seen many masters. I want to say that you are the best! Bravo!
Hi love these size machines. They remind me so much of my apprenticeship in the Sheffield steel works where all the machinery was huge ,this would have been a small machine in those days. Fireball tools has a 36inch Cincinnati shaper that weighs 11000 lbs (around 5.5tonnes).I would love to see you two colaborate on a project one day using both machines.Keep making these sorts of videos as everyone will love them.👍👌
Two things. Firstly, it's great to see your yard crane in action - I love that machine.
Second, It's nice to see someone demonstrating a shaper's capabilities. I was lucky enough to spend time in the workshops at university when the big shaper was being run. The sheer amount of metal that can be removed in a single pass is astonishing.
I look forward to seeing progress on this.
Oh, this is a blast from the past!!! It's been almost 30 year's since I last ran a shaper and that was only a couple of years after I started in the machinist trade. And yes, you summed it up very well; for what a shaper can do, it can do very well, extremely efficiently. It's just that it's range of use is very nitche specific, which is why they're obsolete for day to day use.
But for what you want to use it for??? Ace in the hole!!! And when you get it restored and finally placed, this is one machine you're going to need to grout the base on, otherwise the outboard table support will be useless. I'm betting that the manual that your friend copied should have the correct instructions to do it right. You're also going to want build a chip trap for it, otherwise your neighborhood will come hunting for your head about flat tires.... That first shop out of high school had personal experience with that before they added one....
A tip for moving heavy stuff is getting some steel pipes underneath, it would almost roll out of that conteiner by itself. Or get some steel underneath with some grease to minimize friction, with the wood floor you need a lot more pullingforce to overcome the friction.
Was thinking the same
A machine shop I worked for had a Rockwell shaper just a little smaller than this one. We cut large internal splines, as I recall about 6 bananas in diameter. the spline grooves were a banana wide and it made the full width in one cut, about .040 banana deep per cut, in 4140. It didn't have an automatic downfeed so we built a ratchet mechanism to feed it down on the backstroke.
Back when I was an apprentice in '75 I spent almost a year just on shapers. Even with HSS I have found it very rare since then to find another machine that can move metal quickly as a well set up shaper. Powerful and with the right equipment can be quite accurate. We had 4 of them, the largest was the 36" Cincinnati. Total beast. I'm looking forward to this machine being restored and then making lots of chips.
What an absolutely beautiful and very capable machine. Really looking forward to a full restoration.
Abom79 will be envious I'm sure.
Regards Mark in the UK
abom79 sure loves shapers he would love a massive one like this
Love to see shapers coming back. Started machine shop in 1973 and worked my way up to prototype machinist. Thanks for your thorough videos!
Great machine made in my Home Country and KLOPP is still existing and still producing Heavy-Duty, Hydraulic Traversing, High-Speed Shaping Machines.
Again a great video
Maybe send them the link to this video, and Kurtis might get som sponsorship from the company
Gotta love that feed rate locking knob! Bravo.
When your chips make a clanging sound, you’ve reached a new level. Congratulations!
Old machines like this I find fascinating. The level of precision maintained without the use of computers I think is astonishing. Glad to hear that it will be restored. There are just too many machines like this just rusting and rotting away in old junkyards. *Just because it doesn't have a digital readout or a color flat-screen doesn't make it junk! Thank you for saving her!!!*
Fantastic. You have taken me back in time 40 years from when I first used this machine.
I was beginning to study professional training and at the age of 15, seeing that monster work in my hands was an optical illusion, I couldn't stop looking at how he worked. I wish I could be there with you restoring that beauty and leaving it as it was when it left the factory.
Good luck with the project and may you enjoy it for many years.
A hug to the channel.
WOW, what a machine! I am extremely impressed. It reminds me of my apprenticeship when the only machines we had were clapped out WWII lathes, a pillar drill and a likewise worn shaper. What a beauty it is, can't wait to see it fully restored to its original glorious condition. Good one.👍 Karen excelled herself giggling in this vid. There are three things that come to mind: a) you have lots of space to play in, b) you have lots of machinery to play with and c) you know how to use it all to perfection.😎
Looks like Abom has a challenger for chip of the week. Some meter long (40 bananas) chips coming at ya Adam.
Going to be a great asset for you Kurtis.
I cant stand watching Adam anymore! He used to be good. Now hes just after the $$. This would be a 7 part video with 50 or more ads.
Curtis and Karen have nailed it 100%. Best channel on Utube by far.
Abom has that big open side shaper stored at his buddies place in central Florida. Now that he has his new shop space, I’m sure it will be one of the next machines to get moved in there.
Hobby machine for a hobby machinist...
Lately the only Abom sized thing on Abom's channel is Abom himself. I do hope he gets back to the actual (heavy) machining instead of all of the sponsored content, trips and other stuff
@@WoLpH I wanna hear him talk us through big stuff again too, but it's nice that he took it easy for a while, hopefully for a run-up into big stuff in the big new shoppe!
I had forgotten the simple pleasure of a shaper at work. There’s something timeless about it.
This thing is insane. You really schooled me on this. Thanks for the class. I salute you for keeping something that is known for quality engineering and built-like-a-tank. Wishing you all get this machine restored to better than new. Howdy from Alabama USA. All the Best. Bert
In Canada I grew up using the banana scale then in 1970 we changed to metric. My mind works measuring in inches but I drive in Km's but its still a bottle of beer mate. What a machine that shaper is and can't wait to see it used as part of a job. Homeless looking pretty official in that sweet work shirt. Thnx for the video and cheers.
By God, Kurtis, that shaper is a frigging beast! Single pass coil springs!! Funny how Homey recognized the new machine and checked it over for safety!
Single pass chain links! The welding might be a bit tricky!
I’m not a religious man but when you straddled that chain under tension as you winched the shaper out of the shed it had me saying a quick prayer for you. It all worked out thankfully. This is awesome content. Thank you. You live in a world that resonates with me.
That is one heck of a machine. This has been a brilliant video, informative and infused with so much of your characters. You guys rock. Friday mornings in Scotland have got a whole lot more fun since I found this channel.
The manufacture and engineering of this machine is just phenomenol. Made to do vast amounts of work over generations of worker's lives. Let's also take a moment to properly appreciate that this truly amazing machine was made in a post war Germany after only a mere five years of everything being literally flattened by thousands of bombing raids. That makes this machine's creation go from impressive to completely mind boggling. Put into perspective, I'd say there's still only a handful of places around the world with the heavy industry that are still capable of making this kind of machine from scratch. Oh and surprise surprise guys, I just checked and unlike most of our big machine makers from the 1950's in the UK, Klopp are still very much indeed making milling machines. No doubt if this machine ever requires a replacement part (unlikely), Klopp would be willing to provide...... So this machine is definitely something that needs to be taken care of and appreciated for what it really is. Thanks for uploading this video on TH-cam.
Absolutely. US and USSR took the megapresses of Germany. I read one of the factories the press was looted from- throughouly flattened- the owner said, "well, they took our tools- so now we'll have to make bigger and better tools- and they made a 40,000 tonne press", USA's ALCOA Press 50,000 tonne press was refurbished in Germany- the only nation bar Russia with the machinery and casting facilities to make it.The Soviet 50,000 tonne Press was based on the 25,000, 30,000 and 35,000 tonne German presses and in China- always playing catch-up in game everyone else stopped playing- took a Soviet press, (essentially German) beefed it up and 75,000 tonne press. Much like their Soyuz-based Long March missiles.
Germany rebuilt with USA and UK money whilst UK factories had to get by with outdated machinery
When I started my apprenticeship in 1974 we had several of these shapers in the college machine shop. One day we set one going on the max speed, max stroke length and max depth of cut. The thing jumped around so much it pulled the bolts right out of the concrete floor and slid backwards into an internal brick wall whereupon the back of the ram started knocking bricks out into the corridor next door! We were too shit-scared to go near the damn thing to turn it off, it was leaping around all over the place. Fortunately one of the lecturers heard it knocking the wall down, ran into the workshop and switched it off at the isolator otherwise it would probably have knocked down the entire two-storey building! These things are brutal, I only ever saw them used in college and never in actual manufacturing, I suppose milling machines made them obsolete.
wow good times 😅👍
You didn't say, but I'm assuming the machine survived unscathed?
@@fredygump5578 Needed just a thorough dusting I reckon.
What a shame YT wasn't around back then. Would have made for a hilarious video..... especially if you photoshopped some some minions at the controls 🤣🤣
Thanks!
Hey mate, thanks so much for your super thanks contribution! We're glad you enjoyed this video! Cheers! - Kurtis & Karen
Never worked on one and only ever seen one working in Sheffield, England. Must have been, and still is up to a point, an impressive machine in its day. Weird thing was as Kurtis added oil to the cut I could swear that I could smell the oil burning with that particular acrid odour. Great post and looking forward to seeing more of it being refurbished and operating.
As soon as I saw how heavy the cuts got, I was thinking about fluid cooling. Even air misting could help tool life.
What a beast!!! The only thing that could've made this video even more fun would be editing in Homey taking a turn at pulling this monster out of the container after all the machines failed!!! This thing is impressive Kurtis, Thx for sharing it with us! And Matty, we're waiting.....😁
That takes me back. I was an apprentice engineer in 1964. Worked on a Cincinnati shaper as part of my training. It was nowhere as big as yours. It was a great machine to work with. I machined intricate bits on ratchet pawls, that had previously filed. I did like working on the shaper. Thanks for another great video.
Thanks for being the way you are!
Hey mate thank you for the great comment and super thanks we appreciate it 😎👊
Gee Kurt's you have nailed it this time what a beauty, I have a 1940 Cincinnati hyd shaper used in the ford motor company armaments factory for war production. Absolutely love them never get sick of using it great for dovetail joints. Great machine German quality and have a ball w it have a day.
Awesome mate even better that you know the back story and history of your old girl
I work at the old ford factory in Geelong, Victoria at Marand precision engineering. Where we use the old Okuma mill that ford use to make castings and other things with it (huge machines)
I work on one 25 years a go and it small one I love it back then so great you have big 1000 I love to see look new soon.
I learned to use a shaper ( not this big lol) at trade school when I was 13 years old in Holland
When you’re taking deep cuts try turning the clapper box so it points into the cut ( clockwise in the cut you showed) then straighten the tool in the tool holder. This allows the too to lift up and away from the cut face so the tool doesn’t rub on the side face of the work
Good point!
That thing is an absolute beast! There's something about the way they work which makes it seem like nothing could stop a shaper, though you were definitely giving it a workout with some of those heavier cuts! Looks like a great addition to your workshop, I bet you can't wait to use it properly!
man, like a kid in a candy store. congrats getting into the shop. we just recived two of those 40' one trip shipping containers. They are awesome! Now I have to pick one up for my hunting camp in the woods.
Thanks for sharing. I just discovered your channel. I enjoy it immensely.
Cheers from Louisiana USA.
does fireball tool have you beat on this one? still amazing equipment, glad to see it up and running!
EDIT: fireball tool has a 36 inch shaper and yours is 39.5 bananas. Absolute UNIT
Rippa!
Fireball is bigger
@@james6667 nope it’s smaller
You think that’s a shaper???
Now this is a shaper!
@@james6667 Fireball's shaper is physically bigger because it's mechanical rather than hydraulic, but its maximum stroke is shorter.
The machines and tools this man has are just awesome. If this is not passion, I don't know what is.
This is a perfect example of the phrase -- they just don't make things like they used to. Wow, what a monster of a machine! Love the content and vids...keep up the great work mate.
With the right tools man can do anything, I mean anything. Tools to make tools to make tools.
Love shaping machines. The first machine I was allowed to use as a first year apprentice back in the 70's. They were still pretty common back then.
I absolutely love to see classic machines like this one get saved from the bone yard. Cheers to you for keeping it going! 👏🏻
Great beast and it's still alive! Looking forward to Matty's restoration.
I really love the 'crisp' sound of the cut ... testimony to the rigidity and quality of the beast! Thanks for showing.
I am always impressed how a piece of steel can be shaved as though it were wood. Great video really enjoyed it thank you.
I love watching old machines work. This is very impressive, I've never seen a machine like this. Can't wait to see the restoration!
So, finally back and able to watch my favourite youtube feature!!! This looks like an awesome machine, looking forward to what you are doing with it. Have a nice weekend! Ohh and don't forget the coffee.... tastes better out of a CEE-mug!
Hey mate! Yeah she's a bit of a weapon. Enjoy that coffee and have a great Friday 😎👍
@@CuttingEdgeEngineering "a bit of a weapon", well just german things, eh?
I'm a mechanic and a fabricator and I love watching the way you work on a lathe you do real nice work awesome keep up the good work I've been watching your videos Eric from Florida
Love see'ing the shop grow! I'm not even in the trade of machining stuff but its fun/interesting to watch the processes. Video editing keeps getting better and better too! Top Notch vid as always you two.
The engineering in these machines is just mind blowing. They just dont make machines like this anymore! GREAT VIDEO!
Having used a slotter on Bis80 with HSS, when i saw that lump being clamped down i was hoping i would t be dissappointed.... i wasnt!! Awesome to see a shaper taking a decent cut!!
An one inch cut with a one inch tool all day long with that old girl. Get inventive and stack a couple one inchers out and make some serious chips happening, LOL.
Fireball has some real competition in the shaper department now. I absolutely loved this video and cannot wait to see the restoration process. I binge watched all of your vids while I was on quarantine and they were all incredible. And we all love homie! Keep it up!
I'm so jealous...I love old metal working machines. I used to run a few 1940s LeBlonde lathes and loved every second of it
Y’all are always fun to watch, especially the out takes & it seems that you have a good time doing these videos. Thank You
Glad you like them!
I have relatives in Australia and every time I hear Keith talk he reminded me of there accent mate ! My spelling is not that great excuse me fore it just want to say great show ! Watch it when ever I get a chance keep up the excellent work love the show! With your knowledge and skills !
Until this absolute unit, the largest I've seen on YT is Jason's 36" Cincinnati. And the fact that you can just fire it up and make chips after all these years is gravy!!! I can't wait to see those resto colab vids with Matty, so awesome!!!😊👊
Just a pity that guys an absolute tool. He'll ban your username if you point out he's using a tool inefficiently
@@janeblogs324 Maybe just let him do his thing without armchair quarterbacking?
@@praetorxianwhen he makes "educational" videos telling people to do certain things when he doesn't understand/comprehend the science and if he starts claiming facts to suit his narrative and sell particular brands, then I will let others know there are alternative brands 5x cheaper as well as better techniques to use the tools.
@@janeblogs324 Curious... And your evidence is? Not that I'm a fanboy, all his "inventions" are way over priced if you ask me.
@@janeblogs324 I can never watch his videos. Get tired of some one constantly plugging their own products and the constant jumping from scene to scene is aggravating. I love the simple here it is watch it or not video style like CEE's and some others. Oh and did I mention I am totally done watching ABOM, yes he used to be my favorite channel, now all he puts out is videos about all the free stuff he gets and 3 part videos on how to put holes in a square plate.
What a beast ! These are the most under utilized piece of equipment out there. They can be set up to be deadly accurate with a good cleaning and some loving. I know that your considering this as a non dust collector you will make the big old girl shine once again.
They are not used because they are obsolete and can barely hold any tolerances
@@LordOfChaos.x Properly set up they will run in a couple thou so for many cases they are fine. Most certainty not a candidate for a DRO though, LOL. As a roughing situation for castings they really shine as that is why they were made.
@webtoedman i dont remember any shaper than could hold +- 0.1 mm tolerances
@webtoedman well i believe u maybe with the right tool and cutting speeds u could achive something like that on small areas but i wouldnt trust it really
I rather mill a surface for 10 min than spending 3 hours on a shaper
That shaper is super cool! I hope you can get to setting this up and show us how to restore it and make it as precise you need it. It looks like it could cut right through a tank's armor plating.
What a nice old machine. It was hogging off some big pieces of material. It just proves that these old machines were engineered to last for decades. I love your videos. Keep em coming. I love the dog too. He's awesome
Cheers from Maine, USA.😁👍🇺🇸
Love your old school attitude Dude. Operated many of the machines you show in a long career in various countries. It has to be tough to make them pay in this day and age.
What a beautiful machine!!! Can't wait for the final result...The chip hitting the camera was awesome!!!
So glad you said restoration. Cannot wait to see it! Big fan of Mattys workshop too!
Nice to see a metal shaper in action again. Mine is probably about 1/3 the size of yours and not hydraulically driven, unfortunately, but it still gets the job done. It is a 16" machine and features a three speed manual transmission, as well as cross and depth auto feeds. I attempted to run it in third gear once, but it started to walk across the shop! When I first got it home, I used pipe rollers to move it into my shop. When I moved 1120 miles North, I used the same method and it worked a treat. One person can move it anywhere needed. You can cut internal and external gears and keyways and this machine will do anything a horizontal or vertical milling machine can do and many things they cannot. What contributed to killing these machines was that they were never made CNC and someone had to sit and watch the "blazing clock springs" be thrown all over the shop when in operation. One of the first things I made with mine was shaped thick contour steel blocks to fit the contours of the various magnetos I rebuild and restore, so that remagnetizing them is optimally effective. Two caveats through: I would have lubricated the slides before firing up this machine and be extremely careful, because the ram doesn't really care what is in front of it and it will complete its cycle, regardless! Have fun with it, they are marvelous machines and even though I don't use it every day - sometimes not even every year - it is always there when I need it and nothing else will do the job. Keep up the good work and thinks for posting it for all to enjoy.
Ah it’s great to see some good rigging for a change. Come a longs, chains, straps and shackles. Grew up in family business with cranes, fabrication, forklifts etc. Also I must commend your machining and welding skills. Lots of good machinists on TH-cam but not so many great welders. 👍🏻
Awesome. I would love to see more of this on the channel in the future. Abom79 and fireball tools both have shapers. Can make a very smooth surface if used correctly
Fireball tools looks bigger in videos but don't know the actual size to say.
@@jake1021 yes, fireball's shaper looks a bit bigger and WAY more massive.
Not to forget Steve Summers. A friend of ABOMB
@@jake1021 He had to ride this one to have a scale reference 😏
I think it's bigger but I'm no expert. just a machinist-channel nerd.
Sounds like something might be wrong in the hydraulic pump? I look forward to seeing the full restoration. Awesome machine.
I'm pretty sure it needs an oil change. It was the same with my old power saw.
@@Gaborkik that oil did look nasty
@@FishFind3000 Completely agree!
@@FishFind3000 Had a bunch of water in it, what the hell do we expect?
I think that sound is the bypass / regulating circuit.
Klopp shapers were what Deckel was later for mills....best german erngineering art ....im really jealous now 😅😂😇
Your doggo is an absolute cutie 😍
Everything old is new again. Your Klopp is really cool. Fireball tool, Mr. Pete, and Abom79 are all into shapers pretty big, too. You might want to view some of their videos sometime. Enjoyed the video, thanks.
Fireball tool is an awesome channel!
I belief fireball has a bigger shaper.
Steve Summers has a nice 24" as well.
@@koen8973 Fireball Tool's shaper has a bit shorter stroke but it's probably a lot heavier than this
@@koen8973 Jasons Cincinatt is only 36", and was demonstrated doing 11/16ths@20thou, where Kurtis took 1" with a lot of tool hangover. The Cincinnati does 'look' bigger, but it's not.
Love watching Curtis at his smartest and dumbest moments. 🤣 Lists off stats like he designed it himself and seeing him struggle to say it smoothly really makes for great entertainment. 👍 love the videos dude.
…..And the cinematography during the cutting test was superb!
Thank you 🙌
To your wife, your dog and the Ace mechanic machinist. I watch every video you do. I've never seen somebody so talented in my entire life. You make things better than you are so awesome.
I am I ask myself. How did you get so smart? God bless all of you. Be careful. Bye for now.
Again, back in the early 80s there was a massive shaper at the engineering plant I worked at. The bed with jobs moved rather than the tool. It was ginormous, the bed was about 20metres long and Frick knows how high. I loved it.
Oh how I love big. The bigger the bader eh. LOL.
Planer
you guys really do work so well as a team :)
great video as always
best wishes :)
"There are no jobs that are too big, only machines that are too small".
That's what my tells me !
edit wife that is !
Well this one is 39.5 bananas as he said so...kinda big
And there are machines, that cant be built bigger
@@indian.techsupport we can just add more bananas to it with tape
We had a smaller one in the early 70's in the apprentice training school. No idea of the make, we had to use it to cut slots into one of the test items. Most things were then being transferred over to the milling machines.
We all hated the swarf off the millers because it would cut your fingers so easily. I still have most of the test items from that time.
That crane is a beast. I bet Homey could have tugged the shaper out of the container though, the forklift looked a bit weak.
Just hook one of those tug-of-war type toys to the shaper and Homey would have dragged it out of that container in an eyeblink.
Tie one to the head of the shaper when its running and Homey would be set for hours of fun playing tug-of-war with it. Until the shaper got tired that is.
@@morriewyatt6234 this is Homie he'd break it
Hello Kurtis,
Great to see the Klopp in action... it going to make for lots of wonderful footage in the future and you could not have selected a nicer guy to restore the machine than Matty...
Take care.
Paul,,
Hey mate! Hope you're keeping well over there. Yeah should be a good time having Matty to help with the job 👍
Shapers definitely make the coolest chips of any machine.
As long as one does not hit you ,we used to put a screen in front of ours and a chip pan for them to drop into. Someone forgot one day and a guy took a big chip to the back of the neck ten yards away . To say he was pissed would be an understatement !
>coolest
Got to love Mrs. Giggles ! She is so sweet!!! Lucky man! Little bit of pipe as roller would go a long way !
I use a Tefal fryer for my chips
Not often I can offer a tip but here is one.
When trying to drag something like you were at the start wet the wood. Ideally lift up to get under the bearing rods / pallet whatever its on but that's just for the first move.
I have used this to move many a heavy object up to about a ton purely by hand. The lowering in friction is a god send!
That machine looks to be in excellent condition. I don’t know what you think about hydraulic drive but, I would much rather that,than mechanical drive. I am looking forward to seeing this one cut some chips.It sure is a beast.
I've used both mechanical (Cincinatti's) and hydraulic (Rockford's) and while the hydraulic offers certain advantages the noise does get to you. Not as noisy as a large Mattison surface grinder though. The Rockfords we had featured a hydraulically operated pick feed on the compound slide for cutting angled faces.
We had an engineer tell us once that shapers are obsolete because they only cut one way. They may not be as efficient as other machines but for a manual machine the only thing that removes more stock faster IMO is a band saw. Plus there are some jobs that only a shaping type operation can do.
Love it when business's like yours are able to expand and grow. Who knows eventually you'll have to start hiring more employees, which will be fun to watch. Looks like you need to make a device to automatically lube the cutting tool.
Hmmm attaching a Coolmist with cutting fluid could be interesting.
@@xkblxcripple Sounds like that would work. It would definitely protect the cutting tool .
Love the machine. It might be old, but it's doing a great job and I can see a lot of possibilities for it. Really enjoy ya'll's videos. C U next time. Watching in NE Texas on a cold winter night.
Cheers mate thanks for watching!
The size, scale, and precision of the jobs you do are awesome. One of the reasons I watch your videos!
Channeling some big stacked with that water delivery 😉 I was hoping to see the infrared thermometer come out so you could get him the coldest one
Lol damn Karen missed that opportunity
That is a good size shaper you have there! 31:38 - That is one impressive peace of swarf. 35:42 - Also good for destroying your boot sole if you step on a fresh hot one .
An interesting tool that I've never seen in action before. Is there a possibility of putting a coolent system on the table so that you don't have to keep spraying the work down with cutting oil?
The cutting oil looked pretty useless. The shaper removes the entire surface in one giant piece so the tool never touches the oil.
@@rhamph but the smoke gives the illusion of cooling. One wonders if anyone has ever come up with a functional cooling solution.
@@rhamph a little bit of the oil wicks into the cut usually. It does little for cooling but does help to prevent built up edges on the tool.
You need to always angle the clapper box so the tool will lift on the return stroke while the feed occurs. The automatic tool lifter is also a requirement when you are using a carbide tool bit as the carbide will fracture from the dragging of the tool. Definitely a great machine...I use mine mostly for taking the bark of hot rolled steel. A large HSS tool bit will last over a year and is easily sharpened on a bench grinder saving lots of dollars.
Really enjoyed this vid - thanks.
Everybody is talking about how you got the shaper out of the shipping container, but how did you originally get it into the container?
Really looking forward to the refurb collaboration with Matty - maybe have a viewer poll on what colour it will be?
All the best,
Paul
Hey mate I got it in pretty much the same way I got it out, craned it to the door and come-alonged it in there 😅 That's a good poll idea, we know these models were either grey or green but not sure to stay original or change it up completely!
@@CuttingEdgeEngineering Something bold like Always Sunny's Monarch!
Purple and orange!
@@CuttingEdgeEngineering Grey is not very exciting...
@@CuttingEdgeEngineering maybe grey with deep blue accents, like the blue of a hot chip
Wow Curtis I am really surprised, such an old school machine and you’ve got such big plans for it! Thanks for the great video!
They're to handy to not have one, and if you do, you might as well make it a good one, they still sell them new, but i don't know of what quality.
I love the sound of the chips springing of the cutter at the end of every stroke.
A hefty machine. I remember attending a Unit 14 auction in Sheffield, UK, in the late '80s or early '90s and there was a shaper there, maybe a TOS or a STANKO that was a true monster. I think it was a step up from this babe. Many years ago, when money was short, I bought a shaper but later traded it in for a Bridgeport mill. Can't say I ever looked back :-)
I've worked as a machinist and blacksmith. You absolutely could (and we do) make art from those chips. Having some that size/weight would be terrific. 😀 Andcyou have a wonderfully smart and mischievous doggo!
I get stupidly excited about machines like this, what I'd have given to have one in the shop when I was working...
I realize these machines may be considered as "obsolete" but, there's just some things best done no other way. It would be good to see these be made once again to broaden the repertoire and reputation of any good machine shop and operator (if not just to keep others from feuding over bidding wars when you can find one).
The engineering and design that goes into them is technically "simple" compared to the production of modern equipment but, the concepts in their development are nothing less than genius. And the materials and execution are made to last a lifetime, not 10yrs before you need a new one.
This and a Bridgeport are a formidable duo and, speaking of design, the Bridgeport (to my best knowledge) is still the only machine that, aside from the main casting, can reproduce every part of itself, allowing for the perpetual operation of the machine. Technology is grand but I believe the golden years, glory days... Or however you wish to describe them of man's insight and innovation in creating such things is gone forever as everything we come up with now is ultimately just variations of a theme. Newer and "better" ways to do what these did first, only in man's imagination.
I'm aware there are specialty machines for some unique tasks but...
With this, a Bridgeport mill, a lathe and a 4 axis CAD machine, I don't think there's anything a shop couldn't do. 4 machines to conquer the world! 😀
I do wish I was on the same continent, I'd make the trip just to come and see this shop in operation with some of the unique jobs you do. It'd be a treat and an honor, my hat's off.
You are right.