I agree with the two problems you've highlighted with the Cavalex 56 Mick. The kinematic couplings are a problem on many locos, especially the Hornby class 60, where I ended up gluing a fixed coupler to the bogie frame instead to cure it from sticking and derailing the attached wagon. The Kinematic system simply doesn't work reliably under the load of long realistic length rakes, as you and I both run. The manufactures should return to the bogie mounted NEM sockets across all rollingstock. Regards Julian
Thanks Julian for watching the channel. At last some one who agrees with me that these couplings can be a pain. I agree they should go back to the old way. All the best. Mick
@@michaelsmith-hn1cn Hi Micheal I agree regarding kinematics however there are 10 times as many people who are also adamant that they want them. Its a no win situation. We have revised the design moving forward however to hopefully improve the way that they operate.
I agree. If you have a average size layout they most likely work but when pulling a long rake of coach's or wagons they don't because the weight is pulling on the return spring and does allow it to centre up.. Mick@@outonroad
@@outonroadHi Cav, it is certainly difficult to keep everyone happy. Maybe some sort of mechanism to lock the Kinamatic central would work? Question is how..... I also run long rakes and have to say they do cause a lot of derailments- however in my case all the wagons I use also have kinematics too!
Hello guys I’m the same as you with the first wagon/coach being pulled off the track either up or down grade, so I started putting more weight in the front wagon, seems to cure it. My American locos with body mounted couplers (Kadee) have no problems with a lot longer trains
Hi Mick, check out TMC sale as they are selling the Bachmann class 24 in RTC livery dcc ready for £110, it will go great with your Accurascale test coaches, all the best.
Fantastic layout and running session. Personally Im not keen on scale weighted wagons as you're putting a lot of wear on the loco motors and gears. Id imagine the heavily weighted and long trains may lead to earlier expected failure of the drive train and \ or motor.
Thanks . I take your comment on board. I don't filled the wagons completely , I put a bit of foam in the bottom first. I have been lucky so far with no problems. If i think they struggle I double head. Thanks for your comment. Take care. Mick
Hi Mick, I agree with you on the pulling power of the Cavalex 56 I bought mine to pull 15 TEA Tanker wagons on my inclines it stops with the wheel slipping not to impressed my Bachmann class 90s with BO BO Bogeys pulls the 15 TEAs no problem I think Cavalex should have all wheel drive cheers Al
Can you please stop spreading mis-infomation. There is nothing wrong with the class 56 drive system and if you were having issues as you keep saying then its because your loco had a problem. Instead of jumping on the 4 axle drive because you had a bee in you bonnet about it how about contacting us to have a look at the loco and sort the issue out.
I did not slag the loco off, I said it was a fantastic loco but on my railway the kinematic couplings do not like heavy stock on them. They do not center up after taking a curve because of the weight on the return spring. Has I mentioned this happens with Hornby and Dapol. Also it does wheel slip with a load behind it as shown on the video. I will in future increase the speed or double head. All drive would have helped and that's my opinion and there is nothing wrong with the drive train on the loco. Mick
@@michaelsmith-hn1cnI wasn't referring to your comments but the person who I replied to. He has a bee in his bonnet about all wheel drive but that was not the issue he had. 4 axle drive has as much if not more tractive effort than all wheel drive. If your loco is not performing then you need to get in touch with Cavalex as these locos are very strong pullers. We did a test against a Hornby all wheel drive 56 and the Cavalex one destroyed it.
@@outonroad I’m not spreading mis-information just saying it won’t pull 15 of your TEA tankers up my slight incline and if you had a phone number I would talk to you cheers Al
hello mick how did you find your short ,what did you use meter and the 56 pulling the cow wagons on real BR days be double headed , some weight there stone end the day really nice video enjoyed johnrey ortizs model railway
Hi John. I had a friend around to help, after hours of insulating the tracks at various points, my friend asked what was controlling the turn table. I said I had a polarity module. He suggested I disconnect it. Bingo that was it. Thanks for asking. Mick
Hello Tom & Rebekah. The Royal mail end is 14 ft or 4.27m and the other end is 10ft or 3.5m. Track plan on video 53 or 87. I have changed slightly around building sight, look at the video showing you what I did. Sorry can't remember video Number. All the best. Mick
Gorgeous layout.
Thanks very much for saying so. All the best. Mick
I agree with the two problems you've highlighted with the Cavalex 56 Mick. The kinematic couplings are a problem on many locos, especially the Hornby class 60, where I ended up gluing a fixed coupler to the bogie frame instead to cure it from sticking and derailing the attached wagon. The Kinematic system simply doesn't work reliably under the load of long realistic length rakes, as you and I both run. The manufactures should return to the bogie mounted NEM sockets across all rollingstock. Regards Julian
Thanks Julian for watching the channel. At last some one who agrees with me that these couplings can be a pain. I agree they should go back to the old way. All the best. Mick
@@michaelsmith-hn1cn Hi Micheal I agree regarding kinematics however there are 10 times as many people who are also adamant that they want them. Its a no win situation. We have revised the design moving forward however to hopefully improve the way that they operate.
I agree. If you have a average size layout they most likely work but when pulling a long rake of coach's or wagons they don't because the weight is pulling on the return spring and does allow it to centre up.. Mick@@outonroad
@@outonroadHi Cav, it is certainly difficult to keep everyone happy. Maybe some sort of mechanism to lock the Kinamatic central would work? Question is how.....
I also run long rakes and have to say they do cause a lot of derailments- however in my case all the wagons I use also have kinematics too!
Hello guys I’m the same as you with the first wagon/coach being pulled off the track either up or down grade, so I started putting more weight in the front wagon, seems to cure it. My American locos with body mounted couplers (Kadee) have no problems with a lot longer trains
Great video Mick, the Bachmann Class 24 you mentioned is going for a song TMC at present. Keep up the good work Dallas from Sydney.
I will look them up. Thank you for that. Thanks for watching from down under. All the best .Mick
You are most welcome, thanks Mick for the info
Any time!
Another excellent update a joy to watch
Thanks Paul. Glad you enjoyed it. All the best. Mick
Hi Mick, check out TMC sale as they are selling the Bachmann class 24 in RTC livery dcc ready for £110, it will go great with your Accurascale test coaches, all the best.
Hello again Stormmy. I beat you to it. I picked one up at the show at Ally Pally for £105. Thanks any way for the info. Take care. Mick
p.s see it on video 114.
Fantastic looking layout. Thanks for sharing. Liked and Subbed! Cheers, Andy
Thanks Andy. Glad you approve and thanks for the sub. All the best. Mick
Nice video. Found your channel. Hi from NZ. Regards Bernie
Thanks Bernie. Glad you found the channel and hope you enjoy it. Wow all the way from KIWI land. Take care. Mick
Fantastic layout and running session. Personally Im not keen on scale weighted wagons as you're putting a lot of wear on the loco motors and gears. Id imagine the heavily weighted and long trains may lead to earlier expected failure of the drive train and \ or motor.
Thanks . I take your comment on board. I don't filled the wagons completely , I put a bit of foam in the bottom first. I have been lucky so far with no problems. If i think they struggle I double head. Thanks for your comment. Take care. Mick
Hi Mick, I agree with you on the pulling power of the Cavalex 56 I bought mine to pull 15 TEA Tanker wagons on my inclines it stops with the wheel slipping not to impressed my Bachmann class 90s with BO BO Bogeys pulls the 15 TEAs no problem I think Cavalex should have all wheel drive cheers Al
Can you please stop spreading mis-infomation. There is nothing wrong with the class 56 drive system and if you were having issues as you keep saying then its because your loco had a problem. Instead of jumping on the 4 axle drive because you had a bee in you bonnet about it how about contacting us to have a look at the loco and sort the issue out.
Thanks Al. Yes Cavalex should gone all drive, to me they have let down a fantastic loco. Thanks for the comment. Mick
I did not slag the loco off, I said it was a fantastic loco but on my railway the kinematic couplings do not like heavy stock on them. They do not center up after taking a curve because of the weight on the return spring. Has I mentioned this happens with Hornby and Dapol. Also it does wheel slip with a load behind it as shown on the video. I will in future increase the speed or double head. All drive would have helped and that's my opinion and there is nothing wrong with the drive train on the loco. Mick
@@michaelsmith-hn1cnI wasn't referring to your comments but the person who I replied to. He has a bee in his bonnet about all wheel drive but that was not the issue he had. 4 axle drive has as much if not more tractive effort than all wheel drive. If your loco is not performing then you need to get in touch with Cavalex as these locos are very strong pullers. We did a test against a Hornby all wheel drive 56 and the Cavalex one destroyed it.
@@outonroad I’m not spreading mis-information just saying it won’t pull 15 of your TEA tankers up my slight incline and if you had a phone number I would talk to you cheers Al
hello mick how did you find your short ,what did you use meter and the 56 pulling the cow wagons on real BR days be double headed , some weight there stone end the day really nice video enjoyed johnrey ortizs model railway
Hi John. I had a friend around to help, after hours of insulating the tracks at various points, my friend asked what was controlling the turn table. I said I had a polarity module. He suggested I disconnect it. Bingo that was it. Thanks for asking. Mick
Hi what ever happened to you extending your layout into your new extension roof
Hi. Sadly the cost went up and with all the other work that was done. we had to call it a day. I was very disappointed. Thanks for asking. Mick
How wide is the layout? Also do you have a track plan of sorts for this? It's a really good use of space!!!
Hello Tom & Rebekah. The Royal mail end is 14 ft or 4.27m and the other end is 10ft or 3.5m. Track plan on video 53 or 87. I have changed slightly around building sight, look at the video showing you what I did. Sorry can't remember video Number. All the best. Mick
Mick - third negative headlight not working, Cheers Paul
Cheers Paul saw that.
Mick @ time 31.49 loco coupling not siting correctly on wagon coupling could that be the issue of de-railment . Cheers Paul
Yes that is the cause, because the kinmatic couplings don't return to the center after each curve because of the pull on the springs. Mick.
Magnificent layout, blood, sweat, tears and love! What maes are yiur vehicles, trucks, cars and vans please?
Thanks very much for your comment, much appreciated. The vehicles are from Oxford diecast. Take care. Mick
Love the new locos ....love your layout as well quality mate
Thanks for the comment, much appreciated. All the best. Mick