Nikon ZF versus Fujifilm X-T5 - I'm CONVINCED now
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The flip screen is not a compromise. It allows shooting with closed screen.
You can turn the screen off with any camera and add a screen protector if that's the concern. Putting a screen optimised for video on a photography focussed camera that is actually worse for that purpose is certainly a compromise. I'd go further and say it's a bad decision. At least a Sony ARV type screen if it's got to flip.
The cameras this camera is trying to ape were of course photo only. And why photography first users are drawn to them. Really not the best option for video first users even if it is workable. Those old cameras didn't have flip screens either, but those are far more suited to photography.
The problem this camera has is not the performance or design, it's the implementation trying to please everyone that gives it a split personality. Basically it seems Nikon wants the looks to join the Fuji hype train but will not fully commit. Really they should have released the Z6III, and then this as an alternative without the flip screen, or PASM switch and with some lenses with apertures.
I’ve used the EVF maybe 3 times on my XT3 in 3 years. No tilt screen is a deal breaker for me.
I'm giving Nikon ZF a try. Pains me to do this, but I will be selling off my Xpro3. I can't have both cameras as my main. I still plan on keeping my Fuji glass. The only reason I've stayed loyal to Fuji
Oh, I have a few thoughts to share.
1. This is a 710 grams camera with no grip! Keep in mind the ff lenses weight, too.
2. Nikon has a z6, which is a beautiful camera, lighter, less expensive and has a proper tilting screen. The fact that they chose the flip screen on this retro model is insane.
3. The camera looks like a replica of an old camera. Fuji has a different approach: the x-t5 looks like a modern camera with analogue dials. This point is a matter of taste.
I would consider nikon z6...
Exactly! Very good points!
Fuji X cameras are a rip-off design of old Nikon film cameras and vastly overpriced for what you get.
@@n1ngnuo I do agree with the overpriced part 😁
I've shot the Z fc since it came out, and just got the Zf. The flip screen allows you to turn it around and ignore it altogether for a more retro experience.
I disagree with your assessment of the 40mm F2 for the Nikon Zf. It is not as bad as you make it sound. And the Nikon Zf is a much better camera than the Fuji Xt5 in terms of quality all around. I have both! with several respective lenses. However, to each its own. For me, fuji glass is nice but other than being smaller and less heavy, it is inferior to the Nikon Z glass in performance. If you don't like the 40mm f2, go with the 26mm f2.8 pancake or with the very highly regarded 50mm 1.8. Just one person's opinion. Thanks!!
Don't think so. I'll be with fujifilm xt5. Better ergonomics, 40 mp and best film simulation. Last but not the least, i am a jpeg shooter sooc images ,concentrating more on capturing images rather than editing them.
My last photoshoot with my XT5 was amazing. Clients were over the moon. Very little editing as well.
The answer for your search for the best 40mm little lens is the sony 40mm g f2.5, not a pancake but great build, af, aperture ring and best IQ. Regards
Reserve judgement till you try the 40mm f2 Z - it's optically excellent.
It's very bad 😔
An underrated full frame Nikon Z pancake lens is their 26mm 2.8. It has some compromises, but it is a better lens than the 40mm 2.0. The 26mm also doesn't use the cheap plastic lens mount.
Thanks for the video! I’m looking into Fuji (from SoNikon). How is a flip screen even “retro”? The 3-way variable provides more options and helps me personally compose better at extreme angles with the added bonuses of screen protection, lcd-free shooting, and vlog usage. If I buy into Fuji I’ll purchase either an X-H2 or X-T4 partly for the screen style (and battery grip). Would love to see direct comparisons between ZF and Fuji if get your hands on one.
I wish Nikon releases a Rangefinder version of this with tilt screen in near future. and its bye bye Fuji!
Tudor, you and I seem to share the same likes and dislikes in cameras. It’s because of you I bought the Panasonic GX nine and I’m so happy with that camera! I was on the fence about the Nikon but I’m so glad you came out with this video and spared me the headache. I can’t wait to see what your new camera is! I’m still looking.
Starting in Leica rangefinders I value a compact setup that’s easy to carry for long periods. I think the Nikon is a great camera for some people but probably not for me.
1: it’s to big and uncomfortable to hold without a bracket, making it even bigger.
2: they dropped the ball with the lenses, a beautiful retro looking camera with very modern looking lenses. Not an aperture ring in sight.
3: I really don’t like the vlogger flippy screen but again that’s a personal preference. Give me a screen like the xt5 any day.
This film simulation stuff amazes me. The Nikon produces great Jpegs, great colors SOOC. For me the simulations are an absolute non issue, and I shoot Fuji.
I totally agree with the 40mm options. The Viltrox is too heavy for my style. I see the gap in the Fuji line. I would like a 27 F2 or 1.8 with the bokhe quality of the 18 1.4.
Yes, big gap there. And is such an important field of view especially for street and documentary photography I would say.
Check out voigtlander 27mm f2. I paired it with my x-e2 and love it for shooting street and EDC
I just got the Viltrox. My god that beast is sharp. The sharpest I have seen on a Fujifilm so far.
Nice video.. honest and useful.. we can see your knowledge.. keep helping us with these videos.. thank you
Retro looking and full frame but the colour science is still the same. Still needs post-processing. Fujifilm X-T5 still.
Will stick with my Z9. I am a big man with big hands. Dont care about size or weight. I expect and care about quality of lens. Thank you. Good stuff!!❤
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No joystick! Swivel screen! Who needs full frame for street photography apertures 5.6-8.0 as far as portrait, crop sensors aren’t bad.
Excellent video! I still like my X-T1 and am waiting for a Fujifilm camera with a 5.1MP or greater resolution EVF. It would be super cool that Fujifilm or another company fits LCD screen with a chimney-like mechanism similar to those used with old medium-format camera. This would make the waist-level shooting experience much better in bright daylight.
You gotta try the Voigtlander 40mm f1.2
I'll stay with my x-t5 fore sure. And with the 27mm f2.8 mk2, along with other lenses, i have a verry great pancake with 40mm equivalent full frame. Who needs full frame here?
Anyway thank you for the reviews, verry nice channel to folow. G
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Nikon 50mm F1.8 is one of the best 50mm lenses...weight about 450 grams ...same story 35mm 1.8S ...these lenses shows nikon lens expertise!
I know! Totally agree 👍
If the Zf was lighter and with an integrated grip like the X-T5, I would have considered it, but my X-T5 is a keeper
If I order this new Nikon (which looks beautiful), then I know I'm really suffering from G.A.S. in the worst way. lol. I'll stick to my Fujifilm. For now. lol. I do agree that the tilt screen (up and down) vs the articulated flip out screen to the side is better for street photography. I do not want to go back to a fully articulating screen for street shooting... (although I do like having the articulated screen on the cameras I use for video work). So it is a hard pass for me right now...not to mention I like very much the Fujicron lenses for quality and size. I'm quite satisfied. Then the film simulations are hard to beat on the Fujifilm. But if Nikon were to come out with a rangefinder style body design, with a tilt screen, I might jump ship ;-)
On the Z you can get the voigtlander 40mm f1.2 if you dont mind manual focus. And it's not that big. I agree about the screen, photographers dont like it so it's a bad choice. Nikon image quality is for me levels above fuji but their retro system can't compete. They need to make small lenses with aperture rings. Then they will be able to compete with fuji
Exactly!
What are you talking about? The flip is green, you don't have to use it. If you flip it back it looks like it doesn't even have a screen that is the most retro looking camera.
Aside from Leica M, about half of Fujifilms lineup, Panasonic Lumix LX100 (and in the analog world, cameras like Nikon FE2 or FM3a) nobody actually does the ”retro” inspired dials correct. What do all these cameras have in common? No PASM dial/switch. You just set settings, or leave them in auto. No thinking about which exposure mode you're in, you leave that to the camera.
With both the Nikon Df, the Zc and not the Zf Nikon clearly do not understand this. They just make surface level styling without fundamentally making sure there camera works in modeless fashion. It's really too bad as they got it right with their own analog cameras like the afermetioned Nikons. Talk about forgetting your own history!
It's really too bad, because otherwise they got a lot of things right.
Very good point here - you are right! 👍
zf is the venn diagram of 2020/21 trends: retro styling (100v), vlogging (zv1), premium build (q2). Is it flawed master of non or a great all rounder verdict is still out I think but respect to Nikon for the effort. Having other thoughts of new dainty fuji xpro with ibis and a standard tilt up or a second hand leica. 1st world problems.
When can we expect to do a comparison with ZF in your hand?
No its not a fujifilm killer ofc
How about the Fuji 18mm F2 as a pancake lense then?
It's ok - but on X-T5 large MP sensor it's feeling it's not on part with latest glass or 50mm f2.
Best review 👍🏼
Thank you 🙏
I ordered a Voightlander 50mm f1 for my Nikon Zf
Great lens, congratulations!
I think the Zf is the size of the Leica SL.. Not small..
I have a Nikon Z7 and a Fujifilm X100V. On the ZF, the dials and PASM-Auto switch and mechanical dials will cause consternation and confusion... The Fuji dials with "A" setting makes much more sense. I also own some old F-Mount lenses that look awful on the Z7 when using the FTZ adapter... they will also look horrible on the ZF. I love Nikon, but to me the ZF and ZFC don't make much sense.
But it is better when you want full auto because you can flip the switch all the way to the back instead of everything to the A
Zf is much more expensive.
You are completely right about the flip screen....did Nikon not think about this and see what people wanted out of the X-T4...a tilt screen NOT a flip screen!!??? This is a photographers camera...NOT a film makers camera!!! Seriously this is a deal breaker for me!!!!! Why do that lol
The Canon EF 40mm is a great pancake lens!
First off I want to say I love Nikon . I’ve owned probably 6 Nikon bodies . But.. the zf was almost a grand slam .
1. No joystick ; even the z5 had one .
2 . Dual sd card slot with one being micro sd . Wtf is that ?
3. Same video specs as xt3 (2018)
4. Not same af power as z8/z9
5. No film simulations just creative filter which are good but not the same as Fuji .
6. Small Nikon primes aren’t weather sealed defeating the purpose of the weather sealed body and trying to keep it compact .
I pre-ordered but canceled it.
Thanks for the input - good points!
Having owned an RP with lcd focus point options… I loved it, and have preferred it to every joystick I’ve owned… same with the D5500. The micro SD inclusion I think was a great idea. Most reviews have not had any buffer issues and many photographers simply use it as a backup… Micro UHS II would’ve been better but at least Nikon provided something. AF on the ZF is 90% what the Z8/9 is which surpasses the Z6ii and Fuji offerings. I’m looking seriously at Fuji for SOOC Jpegs, glass size and price,etc. but low light and AF performance are my 2 hangups. The 40mp X-H2 and it’s 3-way lcd is a very compelling package for this SoNikon user. A good example of how Fuji leaving their typical screen style is also drawing Nikon users.. I’d also consider an X-T4 over the X-T5 for its screen and battery grip features.
@@cohoonatube I bought an rp once , sold it the next day . Everybody had what they like . R6 ? Owned it 2x amazing camera and low light monster. But I haven’t had any issue in low light with the xt5 when doing late night street photography and it imo decimates the iso performance of my a7iv . There also an xt5 firmware update a couple days ago and it’s very noticeable.
My main concern with Fuji cameras at this stage (And I'm a Fuji X-Pro 2 shooter) is that the prices are too high for an APSC system. After seeing the Zf I started to think about picking up an X-T5 instead. But at £1700 come on that's ridicules, when the Zf is £2299 and is a brand new model. And no X-Pro 4 in sight. I'm really tempted to switch.
@@socialbender Great to hear your experience! The A7iv does everything I need, but I loathe picking it up…. Just feels “tedious” in the words of James Popsys. Thanks!
please stop calling "small frame" 24x36 "full frame".
*** APS-C is APS-C and if you use the whole frame, it's full frame.
*** 24x36 is called small frame
*** there is medium frame, too. But medium frame is full frame too, but you can crop it!
I use to be a Fuji shooter, I had the X-pro2, X100F and XF10 with the Fujicron F2 lenses. I sold all these and boght the Nikon Z6II and the 40mm F2 and 28mm F2.8 small lenses. I have no regrets. I prefer the Nikon colours and image quality. The Nikon Z6II is a heavier camera than the X-pro2. I would now wait till the Nikon Z6III is launched.
Same thought here. I traded my Nikon Z6ii for A7IV AF, and prefer the 3-way screen… Nikon releasing the ZF was smart, gave us all a foretaste of what the Z6ii replacement might have and with Z8 AF, worth waiting for. Hoping the Z6iii will be complimented with 30+ MPs.
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Wait… you don’t even have the Zf and you’re dissing it already? How can I take this video seriously?
Well, Zf needs SE lenses. So that's 28 and 40mm. However, other reviewers have no issues with 40mm optical quality, so having some doubts about this video.
So true. Some other reviewers have bee very positive especially with 3rd party mamual lenses.
The flip screen for many was a reason not to get the Fuji x-t4, a camera cancelled after less than two years while the x-t3 coexisted as one for the purists. You'd think Nikon would have been aware of not just the hype it wants to jump on, but what has and hasn't worked for the yardstick of retro cameras over the years.
Really Nikon should have first released the Z6III with the slip screen and allowed video to share priority with stills, or even be the focus. And then release this camera as a photography focussed version.
Not just the flip screen but other aspects point to Nikon hoping to cash in on the looks rather than rhe whole retro camera shooting experience. I mean what is a PASM switch doing there? That's what the dials are for, that's how you achieve the PASM!
You mention quakity of the lenses more as a secondary issue. I think its the main problem with this camera. Not the quality per se, but that there are none with an aperture ring. Not even one as a kit option. And using a lens with a marked aperture is half of the retro experience.
So retro, photographer's camera with video screen yet poor grip for video, no lenses with an apeture ring and a PASM for video again, or just to please those that only want the looks but not the function?
I guess Nikonistas will point to third party lenses and vintage lenses with aperture rings, but that shouldn't be the only option.
Though I typically prefer “slip” screens (great descriptive btw) on all my cameras, your reasoning considering what has not worked for Fuji is veritable. Also makes me think perhaps this is not aimed at snagging Fuji adherents but capitalizing on Fuji’s marketing ideas with their own real legacy and user base at heart. For example, the D5500 series I bought largely based on its screen options… including the lcd based digital “joystick” (though hardly retro). If Nikon can flesh out some appropriate lenses with good size to performance ratios (and programmable rings for aperture)… like a Tamron 20-40 F2, they may have a new successful line. Especially considering accessorizing possibilities. If the ZF sells extremely well, Nikon should consider releasing a special edition with just a flip screen. As a former Z6ii owner, I agree with your Z6iii thoughts.
Man! Photographers complain and nit pick so much, lol..... smh
This video was all over the place. Very hard to follow.
A comparison based on speculation, odd.
Nikon Zf is 4K60 with ridiculous crop... not really for videographers. That's Fuji X-T3 era stuff.
Even with crop it's sensor area is bigger than MFT
Too Large and heavy ! My Former Z7 was Lighter than this and had 46mg !
Not even a XT3 killer 🤣😂
Who wants to kill which is already dead😅
@@prashantpatil8396 XT3 has still more life than the Nikon ZF 😉