It is mightily refreshing that Banks' compositions are being appreciated in 2016. I was floored by the perfection of the writing when i first heard it in 1982. His writings are timeless.
@David Sorcher Hackett indeed wrote undergirding guitar structure for the track. But the idea is Banks was doing the more textural "heavy lifting" in how he steers the song(and basically *every* Genesis song pre/post-Hackett/Gabriel for my money), into distinction. Lots of other UK proto-prog talents like Giles, Mcdonald and Sinfield(even Bowie) were writing very "faery/folksy" stuff like Hackett in that era. But they mostly lacked traction.
@@davidsorcher5072 Steve mentions it here: www.hackettsongs.com/news/newsGeneral46.html Although, some of the music is supposed to predate Steve joining the band.
@@Eleventhearlofmars Steve Hackett writes regarding "Can-Utility and the Coastliners": "The lyrics and music were essentially mine on this song about King Canute."
I would probably go with the Trespass era-style keyboard setup (Hammond L-122 Organ, Hohner Pianet N Electric Piano (which he used for the guitar parts after Anthony Phillips left until Mick Barnard joined and later Steve Hackett) and Mellotron MkII), whiles keeping my digital keyboard I planned on selling for the piano parts. He continued with that keyboard setup all the way until Foxtrot (he would later supplant the Hohner Pianet N with the RMI 368x Electra Piano and Harpsichord (which was also used by Rick Wakeman and Jon Lord of Deep Purple on songs like "Space' Truckin" and "Highway Star" etc...)).
It is quite astonishing to realise that Genesis wrote Trespass, Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Selling England By The Pound and The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway before any band member turned 25.
You mean How tony developed the his keyboard part in canned utility a song composed by hackett. On hammond and mellotron instruments that hackett convinced him to perchase.
I don't see a lot of info in Tony's early years as far as his organ sounds but in some of the old videos you can clearly see a homemade Leslie spinning on stage. These were the years he used a Hammond model L 122 and later around the time of SEBTP changed to a Hammond model T 102 with what looks like a Leslie 760. But, I really enjoyed your interpretations of this great song, you do a great job.
@@vitavomloehberg the L model and the T model are both small tone wheel home organs. The L has a tube driven amplifier while the T is solid state. The T has a more desirable chorus unit. T-200 series has the built in Leslie speaker while Tony’s T-100 series did not come with a built in Leslie. So, the T model were suppose to replace the L model with nicer features including a more modified percussion tablets and drum sounds.
I would he was crafty for the limited choice of keyboard instruments at the time, but I don't believe a Mark II Mellotron and Hammond L-122 were inexpensive.....
I agree! From my own experience in trying to replicate it, there is something more going on than Hammond T + Phase 100 + Boss CE-1! I can't get the clarity!
That's what I love about genesis was all the medieval sounding songs, genesis from 70-74 is my favourite period but I also love Phils singing period up to invisible touch
I think my favourite keyboard sound In rock is Tony's slow leslie effect on a hammond at the moment of a track fade out...very nostalgic, wistful , and yearning sonic mood...
As much as I love all of Tony's compositions, it was the Hackett & Gabriel era that I love most. They were a brilliant creative team then, but it breaks my heart that none of them apart from Steve value their work in those days enough to sing its praises these days. Songs like Invisible Touch or Jesus He Knows Me cannot match the brilliance of songs like this or Seven Stones. Not in my humble opinion. And Firth of Fifth is the grand master of them all... EVER!
Fabulous video! you nailed it all perfectly. Can Utility is the third 'stand out' track from Foxtrot after Suppers & Watcher. its dark, menacing & full of atmosphere & balls! Thanks for sharing your pitch perfect ear & keyboard skills!
I credit this song as the first Gabriel-era song I heard (aside from Phil singing In the Cage live). Some NY radio station in the mid 80s played side A of Foxtrot as a "perfect album side" (believe it or not, I have trouble believing my memory) and the keyboard solo of this song is what caught my ear, and I latched onto it and to this day Genesis is my all-time favorite band.
Great video, the sounds are spot on! The thing I noticed about Tony, is he mostly avoided the 'fashionable' sounds of the era. Sometimes he and Steve used to attempt to copy each other's sounds making for some great harmonies, like the fast part at the end of Supper's Ready part III.
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Thanks!! Very Fascinating 'info'. It was the Mellotron's Quirkiness of playability, that 'manifested' such Unique Music of the Early 70's Prog and Psychedelic Bands.
My fave Genesis song, great video. What do you think of Tony Banks' solo work? I loved everything he did in Genesis and I struggle to find anything he did as a solo artist that I like, with the exception of the orchestral stuff.
It gets easier to get into Tony solo when you consider that Genesis is defunct until further notice (~we're all waiting~) but there's a lot of Tony's musical personality on record to keep you entertained if not enthralled. The talent's still there. Just get into it. I've quite enjoyed his solo rock albums and movie scores/songs. Watch the "Never Let Me Know" (from '95) amateur video with the montage of Manhattan still-life, artistic photos sequenced hauntingly to the 'rhythemotions' of this moodiest of songs. Or slide into his '91 album, "Still," containing a lot of catchy, memorable stuff out in the zone. And you get Fish singing on two exceptional tracks he co-wrote with Tony.
I think we're the only two out there who like Tony's classical work as much as, or better than, his more electronic works. A lot of people regard "Still" as his most accessible album, and i can understand why. If "Still" doesn't work for you i humbly suggest checking out Soundtracks, A Curious Feeling, Bankstatement, or the Wicked Lady soundtrack if you haven't already. Soundtracks and Bankstatement are the more 1980's / synth-heavy sort of sound. ACF is a concept album based on Daniel Keye's great book "Flowers for Algernon" so i tend to listen to it as a whole rather than the individual tracks. The Wicked Lady soundtrack has Tony's home demos on Side 1, with fleshed-out orchestrations on Side 2. (In interviews he's stated he wasn't very involved with those orchestral arrangements -- but he got more involved with it on Seven and Six.) If you just want a few standout tracks I'd suggest "The Waters of Lethe", "An Island in the Darkness", or "Thirty-Three's". (Better stop now... could go on all day naming off my faves, haha...) I know you didn't ask me specifically Mr. England, but i've had similar difficulty when approaching Steve and Ant's solo work. Just like with Genesis music, there's enough variety in their solo catalogues that the majority of fans seem to gravitate to one aspect of it -- early or late period, more electronic or more organic, et al. I had a hard time finding something of Ant's that really moved me until i came upon a co-written soundtrack for a nature movie called "Tarka the Otter". There are whole sections of it where i would swear it was Tony's writing if i didn't already know it was Ant. Hope you enjoy your journeys.... ^_^
Yeah, I had the same 'experience'. I'm a Great Fan of Tony in Genesis 'context', but I just couldn't 'connect' with his Solo stuff. I feel he needs to work with Other Great Artist, which he could have easily done. He'd work great with October Project; Loreena McKinnett; Dead Can Dance, or any number of artist. With a Female Vocalist could have worked very well.
You don't like A Curious Feeling? Curious to say the least! Give it time and you won't be able to put it down. Also Strictly Inc is quite dark as well, in classic Banks style of course.
In regards to the part about all these different timbres being complimentary to the lyrics, I have to wonder whether it could possibly have been the other way around (i.e., the lyrics being complimentary to these timbres having been already arranged)?
Maybe a case of the intertwining of the two from song to song and/or passage to passage, without one element, only, being the dominant one to inform the other. A great question to have asked Tony and Peter!
Great video. The bit you mentioned at 6:40 ("percussion without the soft effects") is so similar to Tony Kaye's (from Yes) "Astral Traveler". I'd be surprised if Tony hadn't listened to it. See the video below at 2:12. th-cam.com/video/Ac8TjjNm5-w/w-d-xo.html
Ask Hackett how he developped Suppers Ready before he play The Chaconne of Bach , do you know why the name beside the titles since Trick ... its for Lyrics men !!!! Because all composed ny Genesis for Music , et quand Steve Hackett est arrivé avec Genesis Tony Banks a dit Hackett jou merveilleusement la guitare et de plus ! il compose la musique ....
+rizz7604 It's all very woolly. The idea of which sounds were used - Mellotron Flute and Hammond settings is more or less ok - though no mention of the upper/lower manual differences nor the Percussion settings on the Hammond at the beginning of the track. The examples of which chords and runs are played are almost all wrong musically. Personally I wouldn't put up a video like this unless I was sure beyond doubt of what I was telling people.
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4:53 The Mellotron on this track is so majestic, really great.
Ty for this and comment's were nice. Timeless. Grateful I had this music since I was 7, I'm now almost 60.
Awesome... thank you for this indepth breakdown of one of my favorite cuts in the Genesis catalog!!
It is mightily refreshing that Banks' compositions are being appreciated in 2016. I was floored by the perfection of the writing when i first heard it in 1982. His writings are timeless.
This song was written mostly by Steve Hackett AFAIK.
David Sorcher was it? First I’ve heard
@David Sorcher Hackett indeed wrote undergirding guitar structure for the track. But the idea is Banks was doing the more textural "heavy lifting" in how he steers the song(and basically *every* Genesis song pre/post-Hackett/Gabriel for my money), into distinction. Lots of other UK proto-prog talents like Giles, Mcdonald and Sinfield(even Bowie) were writing very "faery/folksy" stuff like Hackett in that era. But they mostly lacked traction.
@@davidsorcher5072 Steve mentions it here: www.hackettsongs.com/news/newsGeneral46.html
Although, some of the music is supposed to predate Steve joining the band.
@@Eleventhearlofmars Steve Hackett writes regarding "Can-Utility and the Coastliners": "The lyrics and music were essentially mine on this song about King Canute."
I would probably go with the Trespass era-style keyboard setup (Hammond L-122 Organ, Hohner Pianet N Electric Piano (which he used for the guitar parts after Anthony Phillips left until Mick Barnard joined and later Steve Hackett) and Mellotron MkII), whiles keeping my digital keyboard I planned on selling for the piano parts. He continued with that keyboard setup all the way until Foxtrot (he would later supplant the Hohner Pianet N with the RMI 368x Electra Piano and Harpsichord (which was also used by Rick Wakeman and Jon Lord of Deep Purple on songs like "Space' Truckin" and "Highway Star" etc...)).
It is quite astonishing to realise that Genesis wrote Trespass, Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Selling England By The Pound and The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway before any band member turned 25.
You mean How tony developed the his keyboard part in canned utility a song composed by hackett. On hammond and mellotron instruments that hackett convinced him to perchase.
This marvellous music will never come back again.
It's a Steve Hackett song as far as I'm aware.
Interesting and informative video, although I'm surprised that you don't mention that this song was mainly written by Steve Hackett, not Tony Banks...
Tony Banks is really underrated! But so are many keyboard composers/players, it's always about the guitars...
Though Tony uses some wonderful sounds in Can Utility, it's actually the acoustic guitar sections that I like best. Punctuated with the bass pedals.
I don't see a lot of info in Tony's early years as far as his organ sounds but in some of the old videos you can clearly see a homemade Leslie spinning on stage. These were the years he used a Hammond model L 122 and later around the time of SEBTP changed to a Hammond model T 102 with what looks like a Leslie 760. But, I really enjoyed your interpretations of this great song, you do a great job.
Can you tell me the difference between a T102 and an L102 ?
@@vitavomloehberg the L model and the T model are both small tone wheel home organs. The L has a tube driven amplifier while the T is solid state. The T has a more desirable chorus unit. T-200 series has the built in Leslie speaker while Tony’s T-100 series did not come with a built in Leslie. So, the T model were suppose to replace the L model with nicer features including a more modified percussion tablets and drum sounds.
Great dissection video...Tony was so crafty and innovative with limited funds and equipment!
I would he was crafty for the limited choice of keyboard instruments at the time, but I don't believe a Mark II Mellotron and Hammond L-122 were inexpensive.....
One of the Genesis songs I love the most, great job!
Please, could you look at Tony's organ sound on Wind and Wurthering? The shimmering phaser/chorus is very unique and hard to replicate.
I agree! From my own experience in trying to replicate it, there is something more going on than Hammond T + Phase 100 + Boss CE-1! I can't get the clarity!
That's what I love about genesis was all the medieval sounding songs, genesis from 70-74 is my favourite period but I also love Phils singing period up to invisible touch
Early genesis fans are a particular breed.tony knew this.these frequency's can only be heard by them.
Wonderful stuff ~ love it, Thanks🙏
Things I was always curious about answered. I thank you.
I think my favourite keyboard sound In rock is Tony's slow leslie effect on a hammond at the moment of a track fade out...very nostalgic, wistful , and yearning sonic mood...
Excellent!! What a great idea to talk and show how Tony developed sounds for his Genesis songs!!
As much as I love all of Tony's compositions, it was the Hackett & Gabriel era that I love most. They were a brilliant creative team then, but it breaks my heart that none of them apart from Steve value their work in those days enough to sing its praises these days. Songs like Invisible Touch or Jesus He Knows Me cannot match the brilliance of songs like this or Seven Stones. Not in my humble opinion. And Firth of Fifth is the grand master of them all... EVER!
Fabulous video! you nailed it all perfectly. Can Utility is the third 'stand out' track from Foxtrot after Suppers & Watcher. its dark, menacing & full of atmosphere & balls! Thanks for sharing your pitch perfect ear & keyboard skills!
This is BRILLIANT!
Cheers and thanks for the breakdown!
I credit this song as the first Gabriel-era song I heard (aside from Phil singing In the Cage live). Some NY radio station in the mid 80s played side A of Foxtrot as a "perfect album side" (believe it or not, I have trouble believing my memory) and the keyboard solo of this song is what caught my ear, and I latched onto it and to this day Genesis is my all-time favorite band.
I love this track
Great video, the sounds are spot on! The thing I noticed about Tony, is he mostly avoided the 'fashionable' sounds of the era. Sometimes he and Steve used to attempt to copy each other's sounds making for some great harmonies, like the fast part at the end of Supper's Ready part III.
One of his best CDs is "Still." A good listen if you really enjoy Tony Banks' music.
Mhm...amazing video please do more of these for Genesis!
Very nice but with your skills, why not M4000d or memotron (far more better ). Thank for your expertise.
It was sort of Foxtrot's answer to "Stagnation".
Noi dall'Italia abbiamo amato subito i Genesis e probabilmente siamo stati i primi a capirli ed apprezzarli quando in Britannia apparivano all'inizio molto strani...Fiero di essere genesiano!
Thanks!! Very Fascinating 'info'. It was the Mellotron's Quirkiness of playability, that 'manifested' such Unique Music of the Early 70's Prog and Psychedelic Bands.
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
Fantastic video!
if there was a video like this for cinema show, I'd be a very happy man
Tony Banks does 60/70 % of the sound of Genesis
Nice job Howard!! Great info!
My fave Genesis song, great video. What do you think of Tony Banks' solo work? I loved everything he did in Genesis and I struggle to find anything he did as a solo artist that I like, with the exception of the orchestral stuff.
It gets easier to get into Tony solo when you consider that Genesis is defunct until further notice (~we're all waiting~) but there's a lot of Tony's musical personality on record to keep you entertained if not enthralled. The talent's still there. Just get into it. I've quite enjoyed his solo rock albums and movie scores/songs. Watch the "Never Let Me Know" (from '95) amateur video with the montage of Manhattan still-life, artistic photos sequenced hauntingly to the 'rhythemotions' of this moodiest of songs. Or slide into his '91 album, "Still," containing a lot of catchy, memorable stuff out in the zone. And you get Fish singing on two exceptional tracks he co-wrote with Tony.
I think we're the only two out there who like Tony's classical work as much as, or better than, his more electronic works.
A lot of people regard "Still" as his most accessible album, and i can understand why. If "Still" doesn't work for you i humbly suggest checking out Soundtracks, A Curious Feeling, Bankstatement, or the Wicked Lady soundtrack if you haven't already. Soundtracks and Bankstatement are the more 1980's / synth-heavy sort of sound. ACF is a concept album based on Daniel Keye's great book "Flowers for Algernon" so i tend to listen to it as a whole rather than the individual tracks. The Wicked Lady soundtrack has Tony's home demos on Side 1, with fleshed-out orchestrations on Side 2. (In interviews he's stated he wasn't very involved with those orchestral arrangements -- but he got more involved with it on Seven and Six.)
If you just want a few standout tracks I'd suggest "The Waters of Lethe", "An Island in the Darkness", or "Thirty-Three's". (Better stop now... could go on all day naming off my faves, haha...)
I know you didn't ask me specifically Mr. England, but i've had similar difficulty when approaching Steve and Ant's solo work. Just like with Genesis music, there's enough variety in their solo catalogues that the majority of fans seem to gravitate to one aspect of it -- early or late period, more electronic or more organic, et al. I had a hard time finding something of Ant's that really moved me until i came upon a co-written soundtrack for a nature movie called "Tarka the Otter". There are whole sections of it where i would swear it was Tony's writing if i didn't already know it was Ant.
Hope you enjoy your journeys.... ^_^
Yeah, I had the same 'experience'. I'm a Great Fan of Tony in Genesis 'context', but I just couldn't 'connect' with his Solo stuff. I feel he needs to work with Other Great Artist, which he could have easily done. He'd work great with October Project; Loreena McKinnett; Dead Can Dance, or any number of artist. With a Female Vocalist could have worked very well.
You don't like A Curious Feeling? Curious to say the least! Give it time and you won't be able to put it down. Also Strictly Inc is quite dark as well, in classic Banks style of course.
I heard Genesis producer say on an interview, that Genesis, was Banks solo career..... what a genius!!
excellent stuff!
Really cool!
hoping your Mgmt. brings you to Los Angeles in the future....
Tony new his gear!
Wonderful - thank you
Nothing sounds like a Mellotron like a Mellotron.
In regards to the part about all these different timbres being complimentary to the lyrics, I have to wonder whether it could possibly have been the other way around (i.e., the lyrics being complimentary to these timbres having been already arranged)?
Maybe a case of the intertwining of the two from song to song and/or passage to passage, without one element, only, being the dominant one to inform the other. A great question to have asked Tony and Peter!
Thank you!!
Great video. The clarinet Aldo requires a lot of imagination! But the Hammond is great anyway
Thanks!, more demos a lot more
Uhhhh ! This is awesome! Checking this ....
Nice!! Thanks a lot
Actually, he used the Hammond at the start, not the tron.
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Great video.
The bit you mentioned at 6:40 ("percussion without the soft effects") is so similar to Tony Kaye's (from Yes) "Astral Traveler". I'd be surprised if Tony hadn't listened to it. See the video below at 2:12.
th-cam.com/video/Ac8TjjNm5-w/w-d-xo.html
I second that idea as Tony's inspiration for the end bit.
the keyboards name , please ? to get memotron sound
Memotron for the mellotron
Any good Hammond or Hammond clone for the hammond sounds!
Ask Hackett how he developped Suppers Ready before he play The Chaconne of Bach , do you know why the name beside the titles since Trick ... its for Lyrics men !!!! Because all composed ny Genesis for Music , et quand Steve Hackett est arrivé avec Genesis Tony Banks a dit Hackett jou merveilleusement la guitare et de plus ! il compose la musique ....
You do know Tony plays by ear? Sheet music slows him down.
Interesting from a sounds point of view Howard, though not entirely accurate.
+Alan Pearson You're not kidding! LOL! :-)
+Alan Pearson What were the inaccuracies? Or do you just mean the playing?
+rizz7604 It's all very woolly. The idea of which sounds were used - Mellotron Flute and Hammond settings is more or less ok - though no mention of the upper/lower manual differences nor the Percussion settings on the Hammond at the beginning of the track. The examples of which chords and runs are played are almost all wrong musically.
Personally I wouldn't put up a video like this unless I was sure beyond doubt of what I was telling people.
Yeah, it looks like he got a little more in depth on Hammond settings in the Supper's Ready video.
Thats wrong too - so apart from the wrong voicing and the wrong chords it's all great :-)
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