my old 980 ti OCed to 1450, my new 1070 does around 2050. I only paid 5% extra of what i got from my 980ti when i sold it for my 1070 and i dont regret that. Wont be long now until Maxwell is left behind in the dust like nvidia is known to do with previous gen architectures.
this generation of cards, in my opinion, wasnt meant for people who p[purchased the high end stuff last time around. TBH you should be good until the next round of cards drop at the very least
Of course the gtx 980ti requires more power it's so much more powerful than the 1070 and has way more texture units than the 1080 which they had to lose to make it more powerful by 10 fps
Did you even watch the video? It's obviously not a white and black answer. Do whatever you feel comfortable with, or whatever you can find the best deal for at the time.
Man, you are now my favorite youtuber when it comes to content like this. Very thorough benchmarks, you explain everything in great details while making it easy to understand! You also do some strange tests and builds that I enjoy watching. Keep it up!
Not feeling so bad about my 980ti now, even though I paid the full 650 for it...to be fair though I built new in Feb...so I had no idea what the new cards would offer and I couldn't wait to build a new system. My old system was 5 years old (core i5 750) with the exception of a GTX 970 I bought last summer. That system is now my Son's and it still does everything he wants to do just fine.
+Xamnition Actually the Fire Strike 'graphics score' of 12500 is pretty good, and it appears the card was oc'd to 1350 MHz? My Gtx 970 oc'd 1480mhz boost and 2000 memory gets a believe 13400 on the graphics score. Anyway, these numbers could change when amd releases the official drivers.
That's where there's rumors. Some people say that 5 rx 480's could get close results to the 1080 for much cheaper. Hoping to get the 480 on release. So long that the stocks don't run out before I get a chance :P
Greg, awesome job with the video! I really liked that you explained the graphs this time instead of just throwing the graphs up there for us to look at. I feel that it improves the video quality as a whole and makes it feel more professional. I often have a video playing while I'm doing something else on my computer, so I greatly appreciate the narration since I'm not always actively watching.
Yupp on the 29th you will see hundreds of reviews for the rx 480 and benchmarks. I think AMD gave most of the tech channels their new card for testing.
Science Studio ah sorry, haven't noticed it, did you ever think to repeat the test on 980 Ti OCed on 368.22 driver version? because i lost 10 FPS in Witcher 3 by updating to latest drivers, haven't tested other games but i rolled back either ways, this driver version is the best optimized for 900 series, and Nvidia as usual gimps older series performance on new drivers, remember kepler and maxwell drivers problem which showed how nvidia always gimps old series performance when new series comes out to better market them.
+Science Studio, Hi there I build a new computer and added the graphic card but when tienes it on it worked perfectly but it display didn't show. can you please help me.
Why doesn't this channel have more subs?! Yes, I've been bugging you the past week about that dang 480 review, but this is still one of the best tech channels on TH-cam!
nice video as usual, hopefully you can get more companies to give you hardware samples, youre doing great so far and ill be staying tuned for that 480 review. interested in what that card brings to the table
I would just like to thank you for having comparisons of all sorts of important hardware, whether it be GPU's or CPU's on Team red, green, and blue. Nobody else offers the quality, reliability, or sheer number of hardware comparisons as you do.
Cards alone would draw a maximum of 300w together in full load but if you have something like a seasonic it should hold quite well a system that goes ~400 in full load assuming you have an i7. Performance-wise 2x 480's should be better but some titles have issues with both xfire and sli. I'm pretty sure a few days after release we'll have comparative benchamarks and if it truly reaches a 1080 then it should be the xfire should be the winner.
Gotta say man, your production value has soared, been here since you had like 700 subs( which isn't that long ago!) and loving every video! Keep up the great work!
And it's kinda an invalid benchmark, cause has he said,the 980ti is better than the titan x thanks to the aftermarket coolers.. I guess that it would be better for the benchmark use 2 custom cards
+IAmNutrak x not really considering he's testing two cards at the same price point if you can get an aftermarket 980ti for the same price as a reference design 1070 the that's a win for the 980ti since despite what nvidia said the 1070 custom cards are more expensive.
Based on all the other 3rd party reviews out there, the 1070 is better than the 980 Ti, even with release drivers. He's doing something wrong, or intentionally skewing the results.
I initially griped about Async compute not being mentioned in the initial 980 Ti video, but I'm glad that it was touched on in this video. Very thoroughly done; good job. I am also very surprised that the 980 Ti beat the 1070 in DX12 games. Seriously considering picking one up for $380 CAD to replace my aging (but still competant) 7970.
I am glad to hear about this. I found your video to be extremely helpful and I am now informed about this. I will keep my 980ti for now and wait for 1080ti. I game both on 4K and triple monitor surround with 3 1080p monitors. I switch between those two setup depending on the games I play. I am hoping that 1080ti will be the dream GPU for no compromise gaming with at least surround gaming.
weird.. this is the only benchmark vid showing the 980ti beating/matching the 1070... and the fps seems surprisingly low for 1080p.... maybe i should just go 1080p/144hz instead of 1440p/144hz
Francisco Garcia yeah, i figure i would rather have a future safe monitor and killer fps with my 1070, so i just ordered the BenQ XL2430T (24'' 1080p144hz)
Francisco Garcia exactly. and yeah BenQ makes the "coolest" monitors IMO. from the style and color, to the headset hanger, the carrying handle, the metal stand, and the simple fact that its the official MLG monitor.. all these things have a "cool" value to them. not to mention quality and simplicity. right now my rig with the 1070 will be well over 60fps and in to the 100s.. Gsync is really only utilized when your dippin sub 40s.. 1080p 144hz will be perfection.
No, they were not lying. His results are bogus. GTX 1070 reviews have been out for weeks, and almost every single one shows the GTX 1070 being faster in the vast majority of games. That includes some of the ones he used for testing. His big ego wouldn't let him admit that he was wrong when he made the video predicting the the GTX 1070 wouldn't be as powerful as 980 Ti and Titan X, so he did this. Pretty ridiculous.
don't cry, most reviews are paid reviews plus a gtx 980 ti overclocked beats a 1070 overclocked. Just not stock and most vids you saw were stock speeds.
Really? My old computer have a gtx 980ti. But i have bought a gtx 1070. And what I see? The 980ti is better than the 1070..... MAN i have my life!!!!!!!
But I dont play all games with HIGH-Settings. I can play with low settings. But it make me very angry, when i see, that a gtx980ti is faster than a gtx 1070. But now my gtx 980ti not more in my pc :( Im so angry!!
WTF!!! REALLY!! I'm done with Nvidia! I went from the 750ti to the 1070 SC thinking I was a badass nigga on BF4. Now I am learning that I am pushing benchmarks of the 980 ghetto class of 2010? This 1070 FUBAR!!! Going to sell it to some poor sucker on Craigslist and get me a 480!
Science Studio Oh yeah? You don't say.... And i thought the 1070 was going to show a "vast difference" in performance as well. I'm just pissed to see such marginal differences in performance. It's like buying a Hummer H1 and finding a fiat engine inside!
Thanks for this, the 1070 was higher than I expected price-wise in my country so while humming and hawing over it, I had the bright idea to check the 980ti prices and saw I could save $100. This video has pretty much convinced me to go for it.
Thanks for providing great comparison on theise 2 cards! At Finland 980ti non ref cards are at sale for 499eur and non ref 1070:s are 520--> I bought 6months used STRIX-GTX980TI-DC3OC-6GD5-GAMING for 395eur and im very happy with it Overclocks with ease to 1430mhz, not needed any more so i wont push it (yet)
bro you've been so dedicated to making lots of content for us, and i can tell that you're really good and passionate about it. you deserve more subs and viewers :3
the 1070 is at an inflated price at the moment due to their difficulties to keep them in stock. Just wait a couple months and the non founders edition cards will actually be at the advertised price of $379 but none the less great video
Loving the technical and science explanations you have done regarding video cards and their supporting technology. Learnt a lot! Been thinking of building my own PC and I am considering between GTX 1070 and GTX 980TI. I game moderately and am currently learning photo and video editing. Would love if you (or the youtube community) could give any advice.
:)) nope ... "Pascal" is still Maxwell just on a smaller node and with faster clocks ... and yes that is a farce from nVidia to call it a new architecture ... also "we spent 2 billion dollars to develop Pascal"... I laughed so hard at that blatant lie
yeah i agree, i would like to see how the dx11 vs dx12 performance would compare. to be honest i would like to buy a card that sees the performance improvements over dx11 since dx12 would be the norm for games coming out within the next year or two (especially AAA titles). For example i would be very pissed if i bought a 1080 and in dx12 the 490 performs better at a lower price point within a year or two. Sure dx11 will be with us for a while longer, but if you are someone like me that buys a 450$ -600$ gpu and expect it to last you another 4 years before your next upgrade, then this type of stuff matters.
Kleptomaan1 True, so much money does not allow missing technologies, which is why i sold my 960 when dx 12 titles dropped results, it would have been buried by the end of the year... that's why i will go with AMD's RX 480 this time around. Oh... and 200$ freesync monitors.
another great video, keep it up :D aaand the only thing keeping me from getting a discounted 980ti is the nearly double power consumption, especially when i built system with a 650w psu :P
Again Sc. St., like your videos. Also the fact that you cover POVs that "normal" people dont cover in there videos. You think of the interest of different people. I do that too so i notice the difference in your videos. (Compared to others, linus for example or some of the crappy german ones)
Right now, buying a 980Ti secondhand is a lot cheaper than a 1070; average 980Ti ebay price is $400, but 1070 is about $700. Considering they offer such similar performance, and that I'm using the NZXT G12 GPU Watercooler, 980Ti is a clear winner during the GPU shortage.
Hi Greg, it's a really nice and professional review although you have made one mistake. When I've gotten my hands on 1070 I also overclocked it to 1910Mhz and started my benchmarks (94.6 avg fps. in Valley Benchmark and mid-high 15000s in FireStrike) After few days i decided to check the temps. and performance after overclocking the vram to eff. 8500Mhz. And suddenly i see 100.1 avg fps. in Valley Benchmark and low 16000s in FireStrike) I think it's something to take into the equation. Greetings.
This makes me even more happy to stay with the 980ti until the next iterations of GPUs arrive. It plays every one of my games @ 1440p flawlessly, and I'm so far behind on AAA titles in my Steam Lib. that I won't have time for new games that might tax the older card, like Deus Ex: HR, where it seems I might have to turn down shadows and other minor things to get smooth gameplay.
As an owner of a 970, I think I should wait a year before upgrading my gpu. If you think about how much of an increase has been made between the 900s to 1000s, you know damn well next year's gpus will be an amazing boost for my 970.
Shoutout: Somone should seriously look into the whole coil whine thing and making a thorough investigation why it happens, if high quality PSU really makes a difference or maybe what you can do about it... There are a gazillion reviews of 1070 and 1080 out there, but close to no one even mentions coil whine as a problem or at all and I find it strange since I've had coil whine on one 970 and two 1070's on three different mid-range PSU's.
my GTX 1070 ASUS Turbo runs at 2100mhz oc core stable & 9000mhz oc mem and max temp 66c - 67c Just a custom fan curve via afterburner did the trick on temps.
I bought an MSI 980 Ti Gaming 6G Golden Edition for $400 ($370 after rebate) on Newegg 3 weeks ago. It was the last one before the prices went back up.
sold my EVGA 970 about 6 weeks ago for $300, and was able to get a EVGA GTX 980 Classified for the same price, added a Classified backplate to the 980 and sold it last-night for $330, with that $330 was able to grab an EVGA GTX 980Ti Hybrid that has 1.5years left on its warranty ! Almost bought an MSI Golden Edition 980Ti but I went with the Hybrid due to it having warranty left on it.
Thanks for the comparison. I just would like to correct something: an SSD would help with game performance IF the game has constant active caching (GTA, sandbox games as an example) because a HDD will only transfer a sustainable rate of around 20'esh MB/sec to RAM compared to an SSD, average of 150MB/sec to RAM.
Excited for the 1080TI, it'll most likely be the first non-Titan GPU I have in my system (unless for some reason the Pascal Titan is just THAT much more powerful than the 1080TI). *For the record I do not SLI, and I do not regret buying a Titan X one bit. :3 When I was building my system for school, the 980TI was still a little ways out, and I wasn't about to wait if I didn't have to. So I grabbed the single most powerful GPU I could.*
Picked up an EVGA SC 980 Ti on craigslist for 200 bucks and so far been very happy w/ GTA 5 @ 2560x1080 75hz. Had a beefy STRIX 1070 beforehand and really couldn't tell much of a difference except for that price difference though ;)
Looks like I made a right choice with buying a used GTX 980 Ti for $380. I originally planned to get a GTX 1070, but here in South Korea they launched at $550. The price has dropped since then, but only to $490 at most, so that was when I began looking into used 980 Ti since I found the performance was roughly as good as 1070's although with less VRAM and more power consumption. Plus, I realized the GTX 1070 wasn't going to be a $379 card here. This test really was surprising though. I thought the 1070 would have a 5-10% lead on average instead of being completely neck and neck in most scenarios.
*Finally* someone said it like it really is! Many on YT are fudging the matter because they are paid by Nvidia or have no idea what are they talking about (Linus and Jay im looking you xD). Nvidia`s Pascal architecture still doesn`t have proper, hardware-level aysnc compute. It`s just better in emulation via better preemption and context switching in comparison to Maxwell but cannot actually run the code as intended by developers. I also agree 1070 is not outright better than custom 980 Ti. Kudos as always Greg :).
On paper 1070 should be better, but they are actually same. I was so close to add 80$ more for 1070 and sell my 980ti g1 but I didn't and I'm happy about that. With 1515/8000mhz I get really nice performance. So at the moment best market deal is already used 980ti which is at ~400e price point. I might just add one more 980ti on my EVGA850W G2 and wait for Ti version of 10xx cards if required.
I would love to see a video where the GTX 1070 is put up against the GTX 970!! Just to see if the new pascal architecture is significantly better when compared directly to an older generation card in the same series.
That's a very high OC on your 980Ti. 1531 Mhz Stable Core Clock (I assume its the constant Boost Clock as can bee seen on MSI Afterburner) is way more than what my EVGA 980Ti SC (out of the box 1290 Boost Clock - OCs to 1440 Mhz stable Boost Clock with +10mv voltage or 1420 Mhz without any extra voltage). Please share your OC settings and any tips to maybe try and squeeze some more juice out of my 980 Ti. Thanks and great review.
I so much enjoy your videos... I have the GTX 980 Ref. and dont see a need to upgrade anytime soon... Maybe for the Gtx 1080 or maybe better just skip a generation since I anyways play on 1080P ...
Im not sure what to choose. The 980ti where i live rn is $380 and the 1070 is around $700>. The answer may sound obviouse but im still unsure. Due to further driver support i think itd be worth heading towards the 1070
Damn,
I see a lot of people complaining about their high end graphics cards while i sit here with my core 2 duo and 9500gt fro inno3d
There there, they don't understand.
You are not the only one 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I have a GTX 650 and an Athlon 5350.
I got a 4690k... still waiting for my 1070 to arrive i'm stuck waiting here with my Inte HD4600 Graphics! :D :L
***** That CPU has been held back by that Radeon. Euuck.
so glad i sold my 980ti for 7 more frames
LOL
HAHAH ROASTED!
at least your power bill will save a few cents 😂
well every little count ;)
my old 980 ti OCed to 1450, my new 1070 does around 2050. I only paid 5% extra of what i got from my 980ti when i sold it for my 1070 and i dont regret that. Wont be long now until Maxwell is left behind in the dust like nvidia is known to do with previous gen architectures.
Pascal GPUs aren't worth it till HBM2 comes to the architecture then I'll buy one, but other wise I'll keep using my 980 Ti.
this generation of cards, in my opinion, wasnt meant for people who p[purchased the high end stuff last time around. TBH you should be good until the next round of cards drop at the very least
makaighost Yeah I figured it isn't worth it right now anyway.
Nvidia ain't worth it.
*runs away*
U do know hbm2 is not some magic wand
Planet Kuruto but by the time hbm2 becomes standard for cards it may be worth while to upgrade from a 980 ti
Most objective/demonstrative comparison between these two i've seen on YT. Keep the good work! (Sorry for the bad english)
Doesn't matter if you drop it, the guy who showed it to Linus dropped and it was fine lol
LOL
LMAO
ROFL
yeah,and he was the Main Lead of the development team
Hhahaha.....
Cut to the crap so 980 ti better or 1070 better
980ti
Of course the gtx 980ti requires more power it's so much more powerful than the 1070 and has way more texture units than the 1080 which they had to lose to make it more powerful by 10 fps
The Oracle i want to record some games and play games like gta, bo3, triple aaa titles should i get an i5-6600k and a 1070 or a 980ti?
Did you even watch the video? It's obviously not a white and black answer. Do whatever you feel comfortable with, or whatever you can find the best deal for at the time.
*****
Nah wasn't aimed at you, just to original post.
I agree with you :)
so i guess ill be sticking to my gigabyte 980ti G1 for sometime :)
The Oracle I have a 1050 ti
Satan's Cyanide bad
sticky fingers unlucky you you should’ve gotten the rx 570
Man, you are now my favorite youtuber when it comes to content like this. Very thorough benchmarks, you explain everything in great details while making it easy to understand! You also do some strange tests and builds that I enjoy watching. Keep it up!
Not feeling so bad about my 980ti now, even though I paid the full 650 for it...to be fair though I built new in Feb...so I had no idea what the new cards would offer and I couldn't wait to build a new system. My old system was 5 years old (core i5 750) with the exception of a GTX 970 I bought last summer. That system is now my Son's and it still does everything he wants to do just fine.
Ouch... At least you're happy with it though :)
It still an amazing card, m8
Nothing wrong with buying the 980ti, it was king for a long time.
Same here, paid €520(with shipping) a week ago for a 980ti Sea Hawk, it´s a beast though ;).
+Flowmasta Flam for 3 months, he bought it in february
I have say your videos over the past few weeks have really helped me find the parts I need for my updated build.
Can't wait for the RX 480.
soon ... soon...
Let's see if it'll live up to it's hype!
It's supposed to perform on par with a 980 for only 200 dollars
+Peregrine “Blythe” Chadwick Can you confirm those benchmarks arent fake? It really cant be so bad
+Xamnition Actually the Fire Strike 'graphics score' of 12500 is pretty good, and it appears the card was oc'd to 1350 MHz? My Gtx 970 oc'd 1480mhz boost and 2000 memory gets a believe 13400 on the graphics score. Anyway, these numbers could change when amd releases the official drivers.
I appreciate your straight to the point , very factual videos . Thank you.
Interesting results. Now I'm really interested in what a pair of RX 480s will bring to the table.
I would kill to see that :O
That's where there's rumors. Some people say that 5 rx 480's could get close results to the 1080 for much cheaper. Hoping to get the 480 on release. So long that the stocks don't run out before I get a chance :P
+Kalen Mcbride 2* rx 480's
2* Rx 480's
+Z-Scart ha beat you :P
Greg, awesome job with the video! I really liked that you explained the graphs this time instead of just throwing the graphs up there for us to look at. I feel that it improves the video quality as a whole and makes it feel more professional. I often have a video playing while I'm doing something else on my computer, so I greatly appreciate the narration since I'm not always actively watching.
OMG you are teasing us sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much! #gimmiethembenchmarks
2 days left i belive til he can release the video
Yupp on the 29th you will see hundreds of reviews for the rx 480 and benchmarks. I think AMD gave most of the tech channels their new card for testing.
Pyro Gaming Yeah their cards are bad even the 1060 can beat them hard :D
Have been following your channel before you had 5,000 subscribers! You're doing some awesome work man! Keep it up :)
Based on this, I want to get a 980ti --- but based on user comments, go with a 1070... decisions, decisions!
The 1070 is more future proof
i own a 980 ti go for the 1070
Honestly only the Titan X would be a Maxwell gpu good enough to really beat the 1070 you would still use more power though
Sooo hyped for my 1070 SC this christmas
seriously man?! you are testing on 1080p?! are you fucking kidding me?! what about 1440p and 4k?!
Pay attention. I said in the video that both cards scaled identically at 1440p and 4K (although the 8GB VRAM aid the 1070 in 4K graphics).
Science Studio ah sorry, haven't noticed it, did you ever think to repeat the test on 980 Ti OCed on 368.22 driver version?
because i lost 10 FPS in Witcher 3 by updating to latest drivers, haven't tested other games but i rolled back either ways, this driver version is the best optimized for 900 series, and Nvidia as usual gimps older series performance on new drivers, remember kepler and maxwell drivers problem which showed how nvidia always gimps old series performance when new series comes out to better market them.
Ooo, no I haven't updated drivers yet. I typically shy away from that sort of thing until I get a feel for how the card performs.
+Science Studio, Hi there I build a new computer and added the graphic card but when tienes it on it worked perfectly but it display didn't show. can you please help me.
leonardo jacinto O_O?! please be more descriptive as what you wrote is very vague and cannot be understood
Yay new Video so soon! :D
Thanks Greg! :D
Thanks for watching!
I am pretty happy of my Titan X, thank you very much....
Ouch.
To: alaskanhybrid
From: Science Studio
Subject: Re: kt
What is your GPU, if you dont mind me asking?
what part of it do you like over the 980ti?
My prediction games would need more than 6GB of VRAM is soon becoming real. Talking about higher than 1080p gaming of course.
Love the science studio intro and outro!
"Nvidia will probably update the drivers for the 1070 for better DX12 performance"...more likely update the drivers to gimp the 980 ti.
Then just don't update your 980Ti driver. Not Nvidia's fault. It's a consequence of sticking with older hardware.
Science Studio thats a really stupid comment, Lost quite a bit of respect for you there.
Why doesn't this channel have more subs?! Yes, I've been bugging you the past week about that dang 480 review, but this is still one of the best tech channels on TH-cam!
I just got a 980ti for 250 cash
nice video as usual, hopefully you can get more companies to give you hardware samples, youre doing great so far and ill be staying tuned for that 480 review. interested in what that card brings to the table
You're calling it a tie? A... 980 tie? HUEHUE
I'll take my leave :/
I would just like to thank you for having comparisons of all sorts of important hardware, whether it be GPU's or CPU's on Team red, green, and blue. Nobody else offers the quality, reliability, or sheer number of hardware comparisons as you do.
what about stock clocks vs stock clocks, underclock the 980ti to reference level and diasble boost on the 1070 , i wanna see how that compares
What´s the point in that? Pure curiosity?
+VPIPpro To see just the raw power of the architecture. I bet you the 980ti is faster if all clocks are the same.
I really don't understand why you only have 54K subs. YOUR VIDS ARE AMAZING! Keep it up.
Is 630watts enough for a crossfire of rx480 ? and whats the best one 980ti or a cf of rx 480 ?
You'll find out when the RX 480 benchmarks are released.
+Science Studio Ok thanks a lot for your vids and the quick response ! Keep up the good work man !
Cards alone would draw a maximum of 300w together in full load but if you have something like a seasonic it should hold quite well a system that goes ~400 in full load assuming you have an i7. Performance-wise 2x 480's should be better but some titles have issues with both xfire and sli. I'm pretty sure a few days after release we'll have comparative benchamarks and if it truly reaches a 1080 then it should be the xfire should be the winner.
^TDP is *not* the same thing as total power draw under load.
Science Studio Wasn't 150w the maximum wattage the PCI-E slot + a 6 pin connector could deliver ? If not then i must have been ill informed.
Gotta say man, your production value has soared, been here since you had like 700 subs( which isn't that long ago!) and loving every video! Keep up the great work!
Thanks for sticking around!
+Science Studio no problem, really looking forward to the rx480 review, just build my first computer and playing gta v on integrated graphics );
GTX 1070 + New Drivers > 980 Ti..... so simple...
And it's kinda an invalid benchmark, cause has he said,the 980ti is better than the titan x thanks to the aftermarket coolers..
I guess that it would be better for the benchmark use 2 custom cards
Yeah got for example I get 96.1 fps on unigine heaven instead of 91.6 which he got in the video, also I only have i5 6600k
+IAmNutrak x not really considering he's testing two cards at the same price point if you can get an aftermarket 980ti for the same price as a reference design 1070 the that's a win for the 980ti since despite what nvidia said the 1070 custom cards are more expensive.
Randomly-doing Random-things
I would agree if thee title had been best card at this pricepoint.
Instead the title is 980ti vs gtx 1070
Based on all the other 3rd party reviews out there, the 1070 is better than the 980 Ti, even with release drivers. He's doing something wrong, or intentionally skewing the results.
+Science Studio
Thank you for the review.
1070 will be better after the drivers come out
nope lol
I initially griped about Async compute not being mentioned in the initial 980 Ti video, but I'm glad that it was touched on in this video. Very thoroughly done; good job.
I am also very surprised that the 980 Ti beat the 1070 in DX12 games. Seriously considering picking one up for $380 CAD to replace my aging (but still competant) 7970.
When you hate everything about life but still leave a like on the video :)
You the man!
fern hi fern my friend moss 😂😂😂
I am glad to hear about this. I found your video to be extremely helpful and I am now informed about this. I will keep my 980ti for now and wait for 1080ti. I game both on 4K and triple monitor surround with 3 1080p monitors. I switch between those two setup depending on the games I play. I am hoping that 1080ti will be the dream GPU for no compromise gaming with at least surround gaming.
weird.. this is the only benchmark vid showing the 980ti beating/matching the 1070... and the fps seems surprisingly low for 1080p.... maybe i should just go 1080p/144hz instead of 1440p/144hz
This is what I'm thinking as well. Even better for having a monitor compatible with my PS4 (1080p)
Francisco Garcia yeah, i figure i would rather have a future safe monitor and killer fps with my 1070, so i just ordered the BenQ XL2430T (24'' 1080p144hz)
+MidWeSTi I've looking at that one, it combines well with my black/red setup. And Gsync is useless for a good card on 1080p
Francisco Garcia exactly. and yeah BenQ makes the "coolest" monitors IMO. from the style and color, to the headset hanger, the carrying handle, the metal stand, and the simple fact that its the official MLG monitor.. all these things have a "cool" value to them. not to mention quality and simplicity.
right now my rig with the 1070 will be well over 60fps and in to the 100s.. Gsync is really only utilized when your dippin sub 40s.. 1080p 144hz will be perfection.
It is because other channels might have a stock 980ti vs a stock 1070, where a stock 1070 beats the 980ti, but not when both are overclocked.
saw that 480 from the beginning. your channel has grown a lot man. keep it up! cheers!
Cant wait for that 480 review :D
So Nvidia was lying when they said GTX 1070 would be better than Titan X!
Not really a over clocked 980ti like the one in the video is better than a Titan x, so yeah.
Where did you get that? He didn't even compare it to the Titan X.
it was nvidia statement that "Announces $379 "Faster than TITAN X" GTX 1070"
No, they were not lying. His results are bogus. GTX 1070 reviews have been out for weeks, and almost every single one shows the GTX 1070 being faster in the vast majority of games. That includes some of the ones he used for testing. His big ego wouldn't let him admit that he was wrong when he made the video predicting the the GTX 1070 wouldn't be as powerful as 980 Ti and Titan X, so he did this. Pretty ridiculous.
don't cry, most reviews are paid reviews plus a gtx 980 ti overclocked beats a 1070 overclocked. Just not stock and most vids you saw were stock speeds.
Nice review!
Really?
My old computer have a gtx 980ti.
But i have bought a gtx 1070.
And what I see?
The 980ti is better than the 1070.....
MAN i have my life!!!!!!!
xxNoSkillerHaxorMCxx Bad choice you should get a GTX 1080 Ti instead GTX 1070.
But I dont play all games with HIGH-Settings.
I can play with low settings.
But it make me very angry, when i see, that a gtx980ti is faster than a gtx 1070.
But now my gtx 980ti not more in my pc :(
Im so angry!!
xxNoSkillerHaxorMCxx why are you even buying into the Pascal architecture when you have a 980ti. you should have just waited for Volta.
What are they both overclocked too? Also they might be similar now but as time goes on, the gap will widen (in favor of the 1070)
NoSkiller NoSkiller Wooow you are really wrong, the 1070 is a lot more powerful than the 980Ti. And also what an idiot you should have got the 1080Ti
You make some pretty good videos man, I'm proud of you.
I made daddy proud.
WTF!!! REALLY!! I'm done with Nvidia! I went from the 750ti to the 1070 SC thinking I was a badass nigga on BF4. Now I am learning that I am pushing benchmarks of the 980 ghetto class of 2010? This 1070 FUBAR!!! Going to sell it to some poor sucker on Craigslist and get me a 480!
GTX 980Ti, not 980. Vast difference.
Science Studio Oh yeah? You don't say.... And i thought the 1070 was going to show a "vast difference" in performance as well. I'm just pissed to see such marginal differences in performance. It's like buying a Hummer H1 and finding a fiat engine inside!
o and 4 your information the 480 is weaker compare to a 770 gtx HAHA JUST PICK A CARD that suits your needs Period!
If you're having problems running BF4 or even BF1 on a gtx 1070, the 1070 shouldn't be the problem..
+asdf123 did you read my comment? I never said I was having issues in BF
Good video sir! Keep up the good work!
Thanks for this, the 1070 was higher than I expected price-wise in my country so while humming and hawing over it, I had the bright idea to check the 980ti prices and saw I could save $100. This video has pretty much convinced me to go for it.
Thanks for providing great comparison on theise 2 cards!
At Finland 980ti non ref cards are at sale for 499eur and non ref 1070:s are 520-->
I bought 6months used STRIX-GTX980TI-DC3OC-6GD5-GAMING for 395eur and im very happy with it
Overclocks with ease to 1430mhz, not needed any more so i wont push it (yet)
Very helpful video, thanks for posting it
Your doing great - Nice informative video - Thanks
bro you've been so dedicated to making lots of content for us, and i can tell that you're really good and passionate about it. you deserve more subs and viewers :3
Thanks for supporting the channel.
no problem sir! keep those entertaining videos coming :)
I'm getting the GTX 1070 in 3 days and I can't wait! Thanks for the info dude!
the 1070 is at an inflated price at the moment due to their difficulties to keep them in stock. Just wait a couple months and the non founders edition cards will actually be at the advertised price of $379 but none the less great video
I always wondered why you upload at like 2-3am PST, but what I really should be worrying about is why I'm up.Love the videos keep up the good work.
I stay up all night/morning to edit and render these.
+Science Studio Your very dedicated to your work and that makes for good quality content, that is what I like about this channel.
+Science Studio you take like 8 hours to render and edit and the result is a video of 6 min and 28 sec. dammm thats inefficiënt
Hah Raaj+ You think that's inefficient? For this level of quality? What a joke. Stick to what you know.
Science Studio Oh damn you, Hah Raaj, just got flamed, your crispier than Harvey Dent's face right now.
Loving the technical and science explanations you have done regarding video cards and their supporting technology. Learnt a lot! Been thinking of building my own PC and I am considering between GTX 1070 and GTX 980TI. I game moderately and am currently learning photo and video editing. Would love if you (or the youtube community) could give any advice.
You're on the way to becoming my favorite tech guy., and i have a lot of tech channel subs. Good work, keep it up.
Thanks for watching!
Omg so early... wait... 980ti better in ashes ? Omg they didn't fix dx 12 ?
still no async compute from nvidia
Pascal and Maxwell are basically the same apart from chipset size
:)) nope ... "Pascal" is still Maxwell just on a smaller node and with faster clocks ... and yes that is a farce from nVidia to call it a new architecture ...
also "we spent 2 billion dollars to develop Pascal"... I laughed so hard at that blatant lie
yeah i agree, i would like to see how the dx11 vs dx12 performance would compare. to be honest i would like to buy a card that sees the performance improvements over dx11 since dx12 would be the norm for games coming out within the next year or two (especially AAA titles). For example i would be very pissed if i bought a 1080 and in dx12 the 490 performs better at a lower price point within a year or two. Sure dx11 will be with us for a while longer, but if you are someone like me that buys a 450$ -600$ gpu and expect it to last you another 4 years before your next upgrade, then this type of stuff matters.
Kleptomaan1 True, so much money does not allow missing technologies, which is why i sold my 960 when dx 12 titles dropped results, it would have been buried by the end of the year... that's why i will go with AMD's RX 480 this time around. Oh... and 200$ freesync monitors.
Liked this a lot. Decided to get a second 980ti because of the price and it'll allow me more time with my current build.
i like how you talk fast but without any stuttering or sounding like Scatman
another great video, keep it up :D aaand the only thing keeping me from getting a discounted 980ti is the nearly double power consumption, especially when i built system with a 650w psu :P
A 650W would run a 980Ti with room to spare - you just wouldn't be able to SLI two of them.
yeah i would not plan to SLI, just the power draw is not a great sounding aspect :p
Again Sc. St., like your videos. Also the fact that you cover POVs that "normal" people dont cover in there videos. You think of the interest of different people. I do that too so i notice the difference in your videos. (Compared to others, linus for example or some of the crappy german ones)
Glad I could help!
Well "help" is not the right term for what i tried to express with my written words but i'll take it. Keep it on!
Only 54,000 subs??
This guy is so good its scary.
He needs more exposure!
keep up the good work mate!
You bet!
Man, your videos are pro as fuck. Thanks a ton for this comprehensive breakdown.
Right now, buying a 980Ti secondhand is a lot cheaper than a 1070; average 980Ti ebay price is $400, but 1070 is about $700. Considering they offer such similar performance, and that I'm using the NZXT G12 GPU Watercooler, 980Ti is a clear winner during the GPU shortage.
Excellent video!
Holy guacamole I'm so hyped for the 480 video
Hi Greg, it's a really nice and professional review although you have made one mistake. When I've gotten my hands on 1070 I also overclocked it to 1910Mhz and started my benchmarks (94.6 avg fps. in Valley Benchmark and mid-high 15000s in FireStrike) After few days i decided to check the temps. and performance after overclocking the vram to eff. 8500Mhz. And suddenly i see 100.1 avg fps. in Valley Benchmark and low 16000s in FireStrike) I think it's something to take into the equation. Greetings.
And now in 2018, with current retail pricing.. well there's a very strong argument for the 980ti used. (and the associated baggage that can carry)
you should look into some intro advertising to help you out on your channel, i love watching this channel, thumps up in every video you make
I appreciate your support; I really do!
Nice Review. Ty
I have an MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X, room mate has an MSI GTX 980 Ti Gold. We tested them in envy thing imaginable, and they are on par.
Huh I'm not really surprised how close they were. Either way both cards are beasts! I definitely can't wait to get a 1070 at some point in the future.
I'm thinking about getting a 980ti soon, especially bc you can usually scoop one up on eBay for about 200-250 bucks
This makes me even more happy to stay with the 980ti until the next iterations of GPUs arrive. It plays every one of my games @ 1440p flawlessly, and I'm so far behind on AAA titles in my Steam Lib. that I won't have time for new games that might tax the older card, like Deus Ex: HR, where it seems I might have to turn down shadows and other minor things to get smooth gameplay.
As an owner of a 970, I think I should wait a year before upgrading my gpu. If you think about how much of an increase has been made between the 900s to 1000s, you know damn well next year's gpus will be an amazing boost for my 970.
Shoutout: Somone should seriously look into the whole coil whine thing and making a thorough investigation why it happens, if high quality PSU really makes a difference or maybe what you can do about it...
There are a gazillion reviews of 1070 and 1080 out there, but close to no one even mentions coil whine as a problem or at all and I find it strange since I've had coil whine on one 970 and two 1070's on three different mid-range PSU's.
Nice video. So we have to wait til Thursday to see the results of that RX 480?
super happy with my 980 ti very quite and runs very cold
my GTX 1070 ASUS Turbo runs at 2100mhz oc core stable & 9000mhz oc mem and max temp 66c - 67c
Just a custom fan curve via afterburner did the trick on temps.
very helpful.. thanks!
I bought an MSI 980 Ti Gaming 6G Golden Edition for $400 ($370 after rebate) on Newegg 3 weeks ago. It was the last one before the prices went back up.
Thanx for the demo ,great comparison,. Unless the price on the 980ti drops significantly (sub $300 ), the 1070's my choice.
so buddy when will you upload benchmarks for the rx480? well im already sub so keep up the quality videos
Patience.
Thanks!
good job man!
sold my EVGA 970 about 6 weeks ago for $300, and was able to get a EVGA GTX 980 Classified for the same price, added a Classified backplate to the 980 and sold it last-night for $330, with that $330 was able to grab an EVGA GTX 980Ti Hybrid that has 1.5years left on its warranty ! Almost bought an MSI Golden Edition 980Ti but I went with the Hybrid due to it having warranty left on it.
Para Digm you did well
Thanks for the comparison. I just would like to correct something: an SSD would help with game performance IF the game has constant active caching (GTA, sandbox games as an example) because a HDD will only transfer a sustainable rate of around 20'esh MB/sec to RAM compared to an SSD, average of 150MB/sec to RAM.
Excited for the 1080TI, it'll most likely be the first non-Titan GPU I have in my system (unless for some reason the Pascal Titan is just THAT much more powerful than the 1080TI).
*For the record I do not SLI, and I do not regret buying a Titan X one bit. :3 When I was building my system for school, the 980TI was still a little ways out, and I wasn't about to wait if I didn't have to. So I grabbed the single most powerful GPU I could.*
1 year later... Has the more mature drivers made the 1070 a better card, or do these results still occur?
Picked up an EVGA SC 980 Ti on craigslist for 200 bucks and so far been very happy w/ GTA 5 @ 2560x1080 75hz. Had a beefy STRIX 1070 beforehand and really couldn't tell much of a difference except for that price difference though ;)
Looks like I made a right choice with buying a used GTX 980 Ti for $380. I originally planned to get a GTX 1070, but here in South Korea they launched at $550. The price has dropped since then, but only to $490 at most, so that was when I began looking into used 980 Ti since I found the performance was roughly as good as 1070's although with less VRAM and more power consumption. Plus, I realized the GTX 1070 wasn't going to be a $379 card here.
This test really was surprising though. I thought the 1070 would have a 5-10% lead on average instead of being completely neck and neck in most scenarios.
*Finally* someone said it like it really is! Many on YT are fudging the matter because they are paid by Nvidia or have no idea what are they talking about (Linus and Jay im looking you xD). Nvidia`s Pascal architecture still doesn`t have proper, hardware-level aysnc compute. It`s just better in emulation via better preemption and context switching in comparison to Maxwell but cannot actually run the code as intended by developers. I also agree 1070 is not outright better than custom 980 Ti. Kudos as always Greg :).
On paper 1070 should be better, but they are actually same. I was so close to add 80$ more for 1070 and sell my 980ti g1 but I didn't and I'm happy about that. With 1515/8000mhz I get really nice performance. So at the moment best market deal is already used 980ti which is at ~400e price point. I might just add one more 980ti on my EVGA850W G2 and wait for Ti version of 10xx cards if required.
I would love to see a video where the GTX 1070 is put up against the GTX 970!! Just to see if the new pascal architecture is significantly better when compared directly to an older generation card in the same series.
When is the regular version of the 1070 coming out? I don't want to pay the extra money for the founders edition...
That's a very high OC on your 980Ti. 1531 Mhz Stable Core Clock (I assume its the constant Boost Clock as can bee seen on MSI Afterburner) is way more than what my EVGA 980Ti SC (out of the box 1290 Boost Clock - OCs to 1440 Mhz stable Boost Clock with +10mv voltage or 1420 Mhz without any extra voltage). Please share your OC settings and any tips to maybe try and squeeze some more juice out of my 980 Ti. Thanks and great review.
Fuck I can't wait for the 460,470,480 reviews very much looking forward to these cards delivering on some good price to performance ratio
I so much enjoy your videos... I have the GTX 980 Ref. and dont see a need to upgrade anytime soon... Maybe for the Gtx 1080 or maybe better just skip a generation since I anyways play on 1080P ...
Im not sure what to choose. The 980ti where i live rn is $380 and the 1070 is around $700>. The answer may sound obviouse but im still unsure. Due to further driver support i think itd be worth heading towards the 1070