Josh, I 100% agree with your assessment of the CZ and I like my CZ455 . HOWEVER I bought an Anschutz 1710 Sporter and a 1761 thumbhole and shooting both rifles out of the box with S/K Long range (not lot tested) both rifles shot 2.52 and 2.89 at 100yds. (5 shot groups) 😳 I was pretty surprised too 😂😂 I was stocked for months. I have watched about all of your videos and you do an excellent presentation every video ps ( YOU ARE THE MAN ).👍🏻No one does a better video than your videos. The first time I shot S/K Long Range ammo ie( Fist 5 shots at 200yds.with my MPR64 with a Weaver 36 power target scope 4 holes in in less than 2”’s and got excited and the last shot opened my group to 31/4’s Better than any of my Eley match ammo . I am 77 yrs old 😉
THANKS FOR THIS REVIEW!! I'VE HEARD OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE A "CZ 457" RIFLE,... AND THEY ALL SPEAK HIGHLY OF THEM... I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME AMMO MGF DEVELOP SEVERAL VARIANTS BASED ON THE .22MAGNUM SUCH AS " 22 MAGNUM SUBSONICS (FOR SUPPRESSED FIRE),... THEN, SOME HIGH "BC" ULTRA-LONG-RANGE, HEAVY, POINTED BULLETS....
I just picked up a LRP black and I love it. I have an Arken EPL 4 6-24X50 coming for it. I have a vortex viper 6-20x44 on it while I wait and I love this rifle. Can't wait to get it set up with the Arken. Watching your video's has been very helpful with my decision making process. Thanks !
I have an old BRNO mod 2 , which was what the CZ was born from . It is a real tack driver for something that looks like a miniature African plains gun . The model 1 was the gun that started it all and was designed by Paul Mauser . They became legendary in the professional rabbit shooting circles here in Australia . It takes hundreds of thousands of rounds to shoot one out .
DITTO. GOT MINE IN 2021 and love it. Shot it today as the wind died and it was 50 degrees. Timney trigger and the rest is stock. Mine likes several RWS, SK and Lapua offerings. At age 75, I’m having a blast coming home to rimfire. Thanks for your information.
Cz has great value in all their firearms. The higher levels it really comes out. Great shooting and ergonomics. My two favorite guns are cz’s… 455 varmint in .22lr and a TSO in 9mm. Both leave me wanting more… more ammo of course.
I've had my CZ MTR for 3 years and entirely agree with what you've had to say here. All of the CZ rimfire rifles that I currently own and use are 457s and they all shoot very well. I am looking at getting CZ's 24 in. barrel w/o sights to install on my Royal and see how that works out, although the threaded 20 in. that comes on it shoots quite well. I'm a hunter/field shooter and compete with mother nature's wind and small targets of opportunity to have my fun! (and frustration :)
I have had a 457 MTR since they came out. Put a tuner on it, lot tested ammo. Shoot BR 22 50-100 yards. That gun holds the club record for the highest score shoot in a match. 600 and 56x's out of 600 and 60x's possible. Love my 457.
I use my stock 457 MTR in a local 50-100 meter benchrest competition… I always win first in the stock class … and I’m only 5 points or so away from guys with Anschutz $3000+ rifles
Great video Josh. Your the reason I bought the MTR about a year ago. Have been really thinking about getting into nrl22 locally but just haven’t gotten the courage yet lol
I wanted one of those for many years. On a knowledgeable friends advice I bought a Savage FV--SR on sale for $190. It is a MOA .22 with several brands of ammunition. My first group--while doing initial zero saw three rounds go into a .25 hole (25 yards). I have friends with various .22s--most of them high dollar. None of them will shoot tighter groups than my budget Savage.
I love my 10-22 for accuracy and hunting/plinking. That said, my next .22 will definately be a cz 457. That's a beautiful rig I would pass on to my boys
10-22 was my first firearm and still my go to for small game hunting and whatever else. My 452 FS is what I use when I want to have fun putting holes in paper. Just ordered a 457 lux in 22 magnum so I'm looking forward to that.
If what you are doing is basing it on price and precision I would agree with Josh I also have to say the Bergara although several hundred dollars more expensive is an exceptional 22 LR however it is not as adaptable as the CZ457 so in that regards the CZ457 wins.
I went with the CZ 457 ProVarmint Suppressor-Ready rifle. It's just a little bit lower in price which allows for more budget room to spend on optics. If shooting NRL22 competition base class you will be limited to a $1,200 MSRP price for the rifle and scope combo. I also love the fact that I can add a suppressor to it. It's a great rifle at a very affordable price and performs very well in regards to accuracy. I will say that largest disappointment came when ordering the 20 MOA Dovetail to Picatinny mount from Area 419. It was way too tight and I had to send it back to get a new one. I then had to bang in the replacement mount and was left with some metal shavings. It's a poor design if you need to use a hammer to get a good fit and some of the metal is sheered off.
Thank Goodness. Don't have to go to the retirement bucket for this one. Already have one based on your content a couple of years ago. Cold winter here is Spokane so watching your videos is about as close to range as I get.
They need to offer this in left hand. At least the stock if not also the action, I would love to purchase this but the grip on the stock looks so suited to right hand shooters only
Not really fair there Josh showing the groupings you were showing with insinuating it was a $700 rifle and only quite a bit later in the video revealing that rifle had a lilja barrel which that alone would make that closer to an $1150-$1200 rifle that had been modified. Also from my understanding it has been months since the Varmint MTR has been available to purchase and I have heard no set information on when any could be expected to again be on the shelves. Again no matter how good of a $700 rifle it is out of the box if it is not available to purchase where is the value in that for the customer looking to buy a rifle? And buying a different model CZ and putting on the lilja barrel well they are out of stock as well. The above was part of the reasoning to go with a Bergara rather than a CZ on this go round. Do not get me wrong, I like CZ's and have owned a few and was really between one of them and a Bergara as I get back into this hobby following some years away due to health issues but actually went with a Bergara b14r this go round. But be honest here this 457 as you are shooting it IS NOT a stock $700 gun and as it sets would cost more than the Bergara b14r out of the box . I like your videos but lets keep things to what they actually are. Forums are full of guys watching videos and seeing pictures of CZ's shooting one hole groups making it sound like this is common with all CZ's and then being disappointed when their out of the box factory production example they went and bought does not do the same!
The 457 mtr is available. Its often sold out but literally 3 days ago xring channel bought one and did a video on it. The original mtr barrel is on loan to another youtuber for testing but if you look back at my videos ive done lots of shooting and videos with the mtr barrel. I tried to be very up front and clear it wasnt as it came from the factory. IMO that itls what makes it so great! You can easily buy barrels, triggers, trigger springs, stocks, chassis, etc etc etc and still come out under what a vudoo etc would have. There is no lack of bone stock mtr content on youtube, my channel included. Why not show off something different than everyone else?
Just bought my mtr last week online. There were about 10 that I saw listed. Took it out today and shot it at 200 yards. 1 1/4-1 1/2" 5-shot groups with multiple shots forming ragged holes using Norma black box Tac22. It's a half moa gun right out of the box.
I picked a 457 called Training Suppressor Ready (02318) at Bud's Gun Shop for a little over $500. It's like the Varmint but with threaded barrel. Only issue is threading is 1/2-20 so you have to get an adapter ($20-60 depending).
Great video Josh. I agree with your rifle of the year. CZ is one of my favourite gun manufacturers out there. The only thing, that I thought was a miss, is that there are no real barricade stop. Do not want anything touching that magazine.
I slam the mag around like it owes me money and I have no issues. It will break the fsctory mag well so i upgrade that to a dip aluminum part and good to go
I have never tried the Timney trigger but it's difficult to beat the YoDave spring. I have a 457 MTR 20", AT-ONE 24" and an old 452 Ultra Lux 28" all with YoDave triggers at about 12-13 oz. Don't think the Timney goes any lighter than that anyway, although it is straighter which is nice.
One small issue I found with this great set up was that my Area 419 base moved forward torqued to the recommended 18 in lbs and the POI shifted during a match. Good idea to either check the torque regularly or loctite it in my opinion.
Josh, you should check out the Tippmann Arms M4-22 for NRL-22. I picked one up on a whim and after figuring out what ammo it likes I have been extremely impressed with the accuracy I have been able to get with it. For people who mainly use ARs and want to use competition to supplement training, it's a fantastic option.
@@PursuitofAccuracy if you were planning on that, I think it would be really cool if you did an in depth comparison of the available .22LR AR-type guns out there. CMMG conversion kit vs CMMG dedicated vs Tippmann vs S&W M&P vs S&W M&P Performance Center vs JP vs Rock River. Obviously that is a ton of work and a lot of money, so I won't hold my breath, but if you hit the lottery one day there's an idea for you.
457 MTR is good stuff because it owns the same match chamber than MDT version if I remember. While it might be best budget/quality rifle of 2022, I'm pretty sure any Anschütz will blow it, except on the price x) On my side, I'll go soon on a Sako Quad heavy I'll greatly customize to make it a semi competitive rifle.
It's funny how all of these "top 22LR" videos ignore the Anschutz rifles. I have to think they have not had the pleasure of shooting one and realizing how Anschutz is the top end of this category. Just see a world class biathlon event and you'll see a LOT of Anschutz. I doubt any of the top competitors don't have one.
In the Winter Olympics in Korea all competitors in all events that used .22 Cal rifles were won by Anschutz rifles. In fact all medals, Gold, Silver & Bronze were all won by Anschutz rifles in every event. Google it to see the results 🎉. Pretty amazing !
I have a 457 Varmint. Still sorting it out. Wind has not been good. My first choice in a .22 would be a Bergara B14R with a 22-24" Shilen 4 groove ratchet barrel. That combo would be less than a Vudoo and shoot circles around it. Vudoos have too many issues for a $3,000 rifle.
@@PursuitofAccuracy I had zero mag issues with my Bergara. A FBI agent friend talked me out of it. A good friend has two Vudoos. One with a Bartlein barrel. Neither will shoot low 3s let alone 2s. My 457 is a love hate relationship so far. Vudoo friend installed a Lilja barrel in his 457 recently.
@@PursuitofAccuracy His Ace barrel was the worst. Bartlein was a little better. He is an experienced shooter. He has tried many different brands of ammo. Eley Tenex and Match plus Lapua Center-X. He recently bought 10 different lot #s of Match to try in the CZ. We will have our first NRL22 match this month. I am a little too old and busted up to shoot that. There is nothing good about 73.
Hey mate, good video as always. In your opinion what repeatable size grouping would you consider necessary to begin competing in a rimfire comp? (PRS/benchrest)
Great video. I have a CZ457 American and love it. I also have Tikka T1x, and it's hard to compare the two and say which one I prefer. I do enjoy them both. Thank you for sharing.
Any problems with your tikka not ejecting shells? I have a handful of 452's and a 455 and love them and never had a problem with any of them. I get a few failure to ejects with cci standards velocity. Other than that the gun shoots great. I like the synthetic stock since its lighter, short lop and a barrel profile thats between lightweight and medium.
I have not yet had any problems yet. I put cci, wolf match, remington, Federal automatch, and norma red box, about 1000 rounds total and nothing. No failure.
So are the barrels on the CZ 457 Varmint and CZ 457 MTR different ones? I have the Varmint and couldn't see a difference on the tech sheet. It does mention in the MTR that "the 457 Match Target Rifle gets a bit more attention than the average 457 Varmint." I wish they would put that on the tech sheet 😁 I guess I answered my own question 😂
Thanks Josh for the video. I love my AREA 419 "Fully Loaded" version. A timey trigger adjusted to about 1.5 pounds makes it a fine shooter. My issue is the cheek well height of the beautiful walnut stock. Yours appears lower allowing for insertion of a cleaning guide tube. Was yours modified? Mine is actually higher than the opening to the action. I have since changed to a KRG Bravo chassis..problem solved.. but I hate having the nice wood languishing in a closet.
Good video- im currently stuck between one of these, maybe the At- One, and the Tikka. If Tikka just had more factory stock options for base class nrl22... 😓
The t1x is a great rifle. I consider them equals to the 457 except that the 457 is much more versatile with the amount of aftermarket support and the fact you can get the caliber conversions from cz.
Great video, thanks. I would love the CZ 457 MTR but I am left-handed. So my thoughts are to get the 457 ProVarmint Suppressor-Ready. It has a cheek riser and two swivel studs in the front, but with a laminate stock, not the beautiful Turkish Walnut. But I can swap out the barrel for a Lilja when I am ready like you did. Or go with the 457 Varmint with the Walnut stock and swap the barrel. Lastly, buy the MTR and swap the stock out (sounds criminal I know). In another video you mentioned that every CZ comes with the same trigger and action, so it's either swap the barrel or stock.
@@PursuitofAccuracy Agreed. I have a customized 10/22 with the target fluted bull barrel. I put in a Tandemkross bolt and charging handle/spring, did some work on the inside of the receiver to smooth out any overspray, added a nylon bolt buffer pin, and have my trigger into Brimstone Gunsmithing for their trigger job. I get slightly better than MOA out to 50 yards but have not tested at further distances. And I am shooting non-match ammo. But I really caught this bug and want a target gun. I agree that the CZ give the most "bang" for the buck. I will keep watching and appreciate the feedback.
I just purchased the Ruger 1286 as a base to start building, reasonable price at 380 with a stainless barrel. The CZ was a little out of my range for a build start but now i'm wondering if I should of spent the extra 400.
First, thank you for the interesting/informative/smooth-presentation. Would you please enlighten me as to why the rifle used in this video is referred to as a "CZ" product when the barrel has been retrofitted. In most of the "highly-rated-CZ" videos that you publish, the "CZ" is in fact NOT a "CZ", but rather a custom-built unit (barrel, etc.). When comparing a CZ to another brand (e.g., Ruger, Savage, etc.), would it not be an accurate presentation if the Ruger/Savage/etc. was also retrofitted (or the CZ factory barrel used)?
I love mine - I just can’t get myself to spend any more when it shoots so good - especially since I don’t compete I’m a sucker for wood too - I adore the stock
I have a CZ455 with an ORYX chassis, I cut 1 lope from my trigger spring than adjusted to upwards 1 lb, I have an EP5 from Arken for my optics Best Ammo I use is SK standard plus, Eley target ,SK Biathlon, and SK pistol match special Try the SK pistol match special
So as for as accuracy for the money what base model would you start with then add lilja barrel, trigger, chassis, etc? Like would you start with a varmint or pro varmint or even cheaper model if you were going to add an aftermarket barrel etc
Thinking agout getting my first dedicated 22 suppressor. Have my eyes on a dead air mask hd or ea nyx mod 2. Do you have any hands on experience with both and which of thw two is quieter?
CC what length L barrel did you go with ? I’m looking for the best of all worlds. I shoot 50’ and 50 yd competitions but also wanna stretch it’s legs out to 200 yds
just getting into nrl22 type of shooting. Do you feel that you get that much more advantage with a aftermarket barrel or mtr barrel for nrl22 shooting. I want to put my action into a chassis and don't like the base class scopes available. I know that ammo choice makes a lot of difference and I can't afford $25 a box of 50. I shoot cci standard velocity and eley club with good results. any advice wold be helpful.
For typical matches a factory barrel is fine. In reality for nrl or prs you need an moa rifle. Of course better may save you on a bad shot but were talking very low % here. Best advice is spend as little as you can on intermediary steps up in equipment and use that money to buy ammo to practice with. You will know when the equipment is holding you back.
I have a CZ457 MTR 419 30 moa rail, Arkin glass., I know from Watching all your videos that your well versed in the 457. Mine shoots very good but not up to my expectations, (maybe to high) . I can shoot an egg at 325 yards with Federal auto match, most of the time with one ten round mag. So, it's not a horrible shooting gun with cheap bulk ammo. But my question is the bolt is really sloppy in the receiver, have you seen this? I have had hands on with the CZ 457 Jag, Lux and others, only the Jag was worst. How much does this in your opinion affect accuracy?
Think that’s a great rifle. Definitely worth the money. The CZ is obviously trending and is a good gun. I wouldn’t say at that price tag it’s the best for the money.
My perspective is narrow and focused on precision and long range performance. For me there hasnt been a better 22lr for the money. What would you choose
@@PursuitofAccuracy I know and I get that. And for you the CZ is probably the best gun. The CZ is definitely a better gun but in another comment you said MOA is enough for shooting competition in base class. You can pick up a savage mark 2 fv for just over $200 and people are shooting sub MOA on that. I have heard of people shooting base class with that gun. I have also heard of people shooting ruger Americans and getting similar results with similarly priced guns. When talking about “for the money” those guns definitely ring in on the value end. They won’t outshoot the CZ but they can get the job done. There is a channel (Copper something) shooting NRL22 with a ruger prr or whatever. That will run a bit more than the American but he does well. And SocialRegressive has a savage b22 that he has also shot in some matches. His is the fvsr which comes in just under $400 msrp I think. This comment is too long and a ramble sorry. I wasn’t meaning to criticize your choice just pointing out that cheaper guns can be had.
@@gamergeek8933 Cheaper rifles can indeed be had, but they do not provide the versatility for custom add-ons or modifications that the CZ 457 does. Which I believe is in line with the emphasis that Josh was putting on the benefit of considering the CZ 457 as your base pick.
I’m looking for a work horse to supplement my Vudoo. I have been in two minds between the CZ 457 MTR and the Bergara B14. I love the CZ But I can interchange the Vudoo stocks etc with the B14. What to do 😅 Happy new year from ireland 🇮🇪 🍀🇮🇪
I like is to 22 magnum it will travel 1500 FPS all the way up to 2,200 FPS.. I do own 22LR.. I have a CZ 455 trainer it's one of my favorite rifles with the Leupold scope.. and I have a 22 magnum Ruger precision rifle with a Leupold vx5 scope on it.. if I'm going to spend that kind of money on a rimfire it's going to be a magnum.. when I look for the high in 22 so I look for a minute Magnum right now I'm looking at a Christensen arms carbon wrapped barrel in a 22 magnum.. I don't know anything about the rifle I wish you could do a review of.. I was going to buy it and put a nightforce scope on it...
If you want accuracy you will be way better off with the 22lr. The 22mags are faster but not more accurate. That and the distinct lack of ammo options for 22mag is crazy compared to 22lr.
If your gonna get a chassis and barrel buy the cheapest model you cand find. If your gonna keep the original stock id look at the mtr, chassis, or the manners models
@@dontamad8600 there is actually more than that. If your gonna keep it in the original stock get the mtr, chassis, or vpt model. If your gonna put it in a chassis get the cheapest one you can find
I was hoping to see at least 5 best for the money recommended 22LRs but it's all about the CZ, what was the barrel length, twist rate and recommended bullet velocity for this model? thanks for the video.
@@PursuitofAccuracy Thanks for the information Coming from airgun world I can say it's almost similar to what the FX Impact M3 can do as far as velocity and accuracy, Happy New Year and Happy Shooting!
My question is why pay for the MTR over the Pro Varmit if you’re swapping the barrel anyway? Don’t you lose the MTR match chamber advantage when you put on the Lilja?
If I can ask one more question.... Any reason not to thread Lilja 21" SS drop-in barrel. Ordered today, about 3 weeks out - so time to change (and save $100). Yodave spring in the mail.
I've had 2 CZ 457s, and I had two made on Friday afternoon. They were both not accurate at all. I'll keep my Kidd supergrade. I enjoy the semi auto function as well.
I have and enjoy a supergrade as well. The CZ's have always performed for me. Full transparency some are very picky and you have to find that lot of ammo but ive never had one that wouldnt shoot
So the one you just shot had a Lilja barrel ? Not a stock barrel? So now I don't really know what to expect with stock barrel cuz it wasn't good enough apparently?
Plenty of videos with the stock barrels around. I always run liljas because they offer an advantage no other prefits do, the ability to set my own headspace for the ammo im running. The accuracy is really close to what I got from my stock mtr barrel
Hey Carrot Top Cyclops Joe says different. I think you both are in cahoots and made these video's because you know I am trying to decide what is next CZ457 or Bergara masters of confusion.
Josh, is there a Lilja barrel length that will serve up all demands (50 feet to 200 yards ?) I get lost in videos with this & can’t seem to weed out my answer.
Thank you for this video. I ordered the CZ 457 MTR yesterday. The final decision was easy for me after your information. Best price to performance.
Dollar for dollar its a killer rifle
After watching your excellent videos, I purchased two CZ457's. One is an MTR, and I absolutely agree with your assessment.
Josh, I 100% agree with your assessment of the CZ and I like my CZ455 . HOWEVER I bought an Anschutz 1710 Sporter and a 1761 thumbhole and shooting both rifles out of the box with S/K Long range (not lot tested) both rifles shot 2.52 and 2.89 at 100yds. (5 shot groups) 😳 I was pretty surprised too 😂😂 I was stocked for months.
I have watched about all of your videos and you do an excellent presentation every video ps ( YOU ARE THE MAN ).👍🏻No one does a better video than your videos.
The first time I shot S/K Long Range ammo ie( Fist 5 shots at 200yds.with my MPR64 with a Weaver 36 power target scope 4 holes in in less than 2”’s and got excited and the last shot opened my group to 31/4’s Better than any of my Eley match ammo . I am 77 yrs old 😉
THANKS FOR THIS REVIEW!! I'VE HEARD OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE A "CZ 457" RIFLE,... AND THEY ALL SPEAK HIGHLY OF THEM...
I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME AMMO MGF DEVELOP SEVERAL VARIANTS BASED ON THE .22MAGNUM SUCH AS " 22 MAGNUM SUBSONICS (FOR SUPPRESSED FIRE),... THEN, SOME HIGH "BC" ULTRA-LONG-RANGE, HEAVY, POINTED BULLETS....
Watching your channel and Buffalo Outdoors is what inspired me to buy my CZ Varmint MTR. I love it.
I appreciate it!
I just picked up a LRP black and I love it. I have an Arken EPL 4 6-24X50 coming for it. I have a vortex viper 6-20x44 on it while I wait and I love this rifle. Can't wait to get it set up with the Arken. Watching your video's has been very helpful with my decision making process. Thanks !
I bought this gun in 22lr/17 Hmr. and now training begins. Thanks for the tip.
I have an old BRNO mod 2 , which was what the CZ was born from . It is a real tack driver for something that looks like a miniature African plains gun . The model 1 was the gun that started it all and was designed by Paul Mauser . They became legendary in the professional rabbit shooting circles here in Australia . It takes hundreds of thousands of rounds to shoot one out .
Nice sounds like a shooter. Yeah ive yet to shoot out a 22lr barrel and its not from lack of trying 🤣🤣
DITTO. GOT MINE IN 2021 and love it. Shot it today as the wind died and it was 50 degrees. Timney trigger and the rest is stock. Mine likes several RWS, SK and Lapua offerings. At age 75, I’m having a blast coming home to rimfire. Thanks for your information.
Awesome! Thanks Jerry
One of the best channels on you tube bar none, excellent no nonsense video's without all the promotional rubbish, nice one. 👍
Thanks brother
Cz has great value in all their firearms. The higher levels it really comes out. Great shooting and ergonomics. My two favorite guns are cz’s… 455 varmint in .22lr and a TSO in 9mm. Both leave me wanting more… more ammo of course.
I've had my CZ MTR for 3 years and entirely agree with what you've had to say here. All of the CZ rimfire rifles that I currently own and use are 457s and they all shoot very well.
I am looking at getting CZ's 24 in. barrel w/o sights to install on my Royal and see how that works out, although the threaded 20 in. that comes on it shoots quite well.
I'm a hunter/field shooter and compete with mother nature's wind and small targets of opportunity to have my fun! (and frustration :)
18 inches is the sweet spot for .22 i know this is you tube comments but just trust me you do not need that barrel youll lose accuracy
I have had a 457 MTR since they came out. Put a tuner on it, lot tested ammo. Shoot BR 22 50-100 yards. That gun holds the club record for the highest score shoot in a match. 600 and 56x's out of 600 and 60x's possible. Love my 457.
@ john martin Taking nothing away from your rifle but, the shooter did a fantastic job himself. You make a great combo. Kudos!
CZ 452.
Timney trigger.
Vortex scope.
Perfection.
I use my stock 457 MTR in a local 50-100 meter benchrest competition… I always win first in the stock class … and I’m only 5 points or so away from guys with Anschutz $3000+ rifles
Thats awesome Oscar
Great video Josh. Your the reason I bought the MTR about a year ago. Have been really thinking about getting into nrl22 locally but just haven’t gotten the courage yet lol
Best advice, just go and have fun. You will wonder what took you so long once you go
Just go most clubs love having new shooters. They are very willing to help those shooters. You will have a lot of fun, just go.
Great video as always my Friend !!!! You are the CZ 457 Guru
Thanks brother
Don’t make his head any bigger! He already doesn’t fit through a door!
I wanted one of those for many years. On a knowledgeable friends advice I bought a Savage FV--SR on sale for $190. It is a MOA .22 with several brands of ammunition. My first group--while doing initial zero saw three rounds go into a .25 hole (25 yards). I have friends with various .22s--most of them high dollar. None of them will shoot tighter groups than my budget Savage.
I love my 10-22 for accuracy and hunting/plinking. That said, my next .22 will definately be a cz 457. That's a beautiful rig I would pass on to my boys
They are heirloom quality rifles for sure
10-22 was my first firearm and still my go to for small game hunting and whatever else. My 452 FS is what I use when I want to have fun putting holes in paper. Just ordered a 457 lux in 22 magnum so I'm looking forward to that.
Thanks to you, I bought one and have zero regrets
If what you are doing is basing it on price and precision I would agree with Josh I also have to say the Bergara although several hundred dollars more expensive is an exceptional 22 LR however it is not as adaptable as the CZ457 so in that regards the CZ457 wins.
Thanks Josh, I totally agree. You're the reason I have one !!
Thanks Terry
Glad to see you back at your home range. Great rifle as well!
Thanks Dustin
Your videos on shooting 22lr got me to purchase my first 22lr rifle.
A Tikka t1x mtr 22lr
Nice
I went with the CZ 457 ProVarmint Suppressor-Ready rifle. It's just a little bit lower in price which allows for more budget room to spend on optics. If shooting NRL22 competition base class you will be limited to a $1,200 MSRP price for the rifle and scope combo. I also love the fact that I can add a suppressor to it. It's a great rifle at a very affordable price and performs very well in regards to accuracy. I will say that largest disappointment came when ordering the 20 MOA Dovetail to Picatinny mount from Area 419. It was way too tight and I had to send it back to get a new one. I then had to bang in the replacement mount and was left with some metal shavings. It's a poor design if you need to use a hammer to get a good fit and some of the metal is sheered off.
Wow mine have always been a little snug but not like that. Area 419 is well known for high precision quality parts
Living the CZ Life !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank Goodness. Don't have to go to the retirement bucket for this one. Already have one based on your content a couple of years ago. Cold winter here is Spokane so watching your videos is about as close to range as I get.
Thanks for watching Mark 🤣🤣
Great video Josh!! Thanks for the information! Happy New Year!!!
Thanks Dennis
Another great vid, looking forward to what you come up with in 2023.
Thanks Ian
They need to offer this in left hand. At least the stock if not also the action, I would love to purchase this but the grip on the stock looks so suited to right hand shooters only
Cyclops sent me over.
You might need to work on him a little.
Great video, great rifle.
Nice shooting !
Yeah he needs some real help 🤣🤣
Not really fair there Josh showing the groupings you were showing with insinuating it was a $700 rifle and only quite a bit later in the video revealing that rifle had a lilja barrel which that alone would make that closer to an $1150-$1200 rifle that had been modified.
Also from my understanding it has been months since the Varmint MTR has been available to purchase and I have heard no set information on when any could be expected to again be on the shelves.
Again no matter how good of a $700 rifle it is out of the box if it is not available to purchase where is the value in that for the customer looking to buy a rifle?
And buying a different model CZ and putting on the lilja barrel well they are out of stock as well.
The above was part of the reasoning to go with a Bergara rather than a CZ on this go round.
Do not get me wrong, I like CZ's and have owned a few and was really between one of them and a Bergara as I get back into this hobby following some years away due to health issues but actually went with a Bergara b14r this go round.
But be honest here this 457 as you are shooting it IS NOT a stock $700 gun and as it sets would cost more than the Bergara b14r out of the box .
I like your videos but lets keep things to what they actually are.
Forums are full of guys watching videos and seeing pictures of CZ's shooting one hole groups making it sound like this is common with all CZ's and then being disappointed when their out of the box factory production example they went and bought does not do the same!
The 457 mtr is available. Its often sold out but literally 3 days ago xring channel bought one and did a video on it.
The original mtr barrel is on loan to another youtuber for testing but if you look back at my videos ive done lots of shooting and videos with the mtr barrel.
I tried to be very up front and clear it wasnt as it came from the factory. IMO that itls what makes it so great! You can easily buy barrels, triggers, trigger springs, stocks, chassis, etc etc etc and still come out under what a vudoo etc would have.
There is no lack of bone stock mtr content on youtube, my channel included. Why not show off something different than everyone else?
Just bought my mtr last week online. There were about 10 that I saw listed. Took it out today and shot it at 200 yards. 1 1/4-1 1/2" 5-shot groups with multiple shots forming ragged holes using Norma black box Tac22. It's a half moa gun right out of the box.
@@archerpaintball6822 nice
Lilja is the way to go!!! Thanks for the video!! 👍
I picked a 457 called Training Suppressor Ready (02318) at Bud's Gun Shop for a little over $500. It's like the Varmint but with threaded barrel. Only issue is threading is 1/2-20 so you have to get an adapter ($20-60 depending).
hughes precision has the best price for quality
@@Picit13 Got one from XCaliber Silencers for $20.
Great video Josh. I agree with your rifle of the year. CZ is one of my favourite gun manufacturers out there.
The only thing, that I thought was a miss, is that there are no real barricade stop. Do not want anything touching that magazine.
I slam the mag around like it owes me money and I have no issues. It will break the fsctory mag well so i upgrade that to a dip aluminum part and good to go
I have the CZ457LRP - sub moa groups at the range with comp wins - only modification is a yodave trigger spring
I have never tried the Timney trigger but it's difficult to beat the YoDave spring. I have a 457 MTR 20", AT-ONE 24" and an old 452 Ultra Lux 28" all with YoDave triggers at about 12-13 oz. Don't think the Timney goes any lighter than that anyway, although it is straighter which is nice.
One small issue I found with this great set up was that my Area 419 base moved forward torqued to the recommended 18 in lbs and the POI shifted during a match. Good idea to either check the torque regularly or loctite it in my opinion.
Thanks
Good too know 🤔
Loving my CZ 457 MTR. I am getting 1/4 groups from mine all day long with RWS Rifle Match. All other ammo I have tried are about 1/2 groups.
Thats awesome
Josh, you should check out the Tippmann Arms M4-22 for NRL-22. I picked one up on a whim and after figuring out what ammo it likes I have been extremely impressed with the accuracy I have been able to get with it. For people who mainly use ARs and want to use competition to supplement training, it's a fantastic option.
Ive been looking at the jp ar 22lr. Will take a look at this as well
@@PursuitofAccuracy if you were planning on that, I think it would be really cool if you did an in depth comparison of the available .22LR AR-type guns out there. CMMG conversion kit vs CMMG dedicated vs Tippmann vs S&W M&P vs S&W M&P Performance Center vs JP vs Rock River. Obviously that is a ton of work and a lot of money, so I won't hold my breath, but if you hit the lottery one day there's an idea for you.
Good job on the channel Josh,,, I been watching you for a while now,, since you started. Great content my man ,,,happy holidays
Thanks Oscar. Really appreciate ya!
that smile on your face every time you say CZ haha priceless but I get it, great rifles for sure but missing 4 little things
What a beautiful rifle . Yes I want one .
457 MTR is good stuff because it owns the same match chamber than MDT version if I remember. While it might be best budget/quality rifle of 2022, I'm pretty sure any Anschütz will blow it, except on the price x) On my side, I'll go soon on a Sako Quad heavy I'll greatly customize to make it a semi competitive rifle.
It's funny how all of these "top 22LR" videos ignore the Anschutz rifles. I have to think they have not had the pleasure of shooting one and realizing how Anschutz is the top end of this category. Just see a world class biathlon event and you'll see a LOT of Anschutz. I doubt any of the top competitors don't have one.
In the Winter Olympics in Korea all competitors in all events that used .22 Cal rifles were won by Anschutz rifles. In fact all medals, Gold, Silver & Bronze were all won by Anschutz rifles in every event.
Google it to see the results 🎉.
Pretty amazing !
I love my mtr. I came across mine basically like Ray did. Went to get something else and there it was so I had to bring it home with me.
Haha you guys got all the luck
This is how I got mine.
I have a 457 Varmint. Still sorting it out. Wind has not been good. My first choice in a .22 would be a Bergara B14R with a 22-24" Shilen 4 groove ratchet barrel. That combo would be less than a Vudoo and shoot circles around it. Vudoos have too many issues for a $3,000 rifle.
I own pretty much all of em and action to action the b14r is not close to the vudoo.
It has mag issues for sure but so does the b14r
@@PursuitofAccuracy I had zero mag issues with my Bergara. A FBI agent friend talked me out of it. A good friend has two Vudoos. One with a Bartlein barrel. Neither will shoot low 3s let alone 2s. My 457 is a love hate relationship so far. Vudoo friend installed a Lilja barrel in his 457 recently.
I prefer the ace barrels in the vudoo's but no matter the rifle its all about ammo if your looking for .2's
@@PursuitofAccuracy His Ace barrel was the worst. Bartlein was a little better. He is an experienced shooter. He has tried many different brands of ammo. Eley Tenex and Match plus Lapua Center-X. He recently bought 10 different lot #s of Match to try in the CZ. We will have our first NRL22 match this month. I am a little too old and busted up to shoot that. There is nothing good about 73.
@@joed3264 dang maybe he just got a bad one. Testing is key for sure but sounds like you guys are all over that
Happy new year Josh
Hey mate, good video as always. In your opinion what repeatable size grouping would you consider necessary to begin competing in a rimfire comp? (PRS/benchrest)
Moa at 50 is enough for sure
Great video. Couldn’t agree more.
Great video. I have a CZ457 American and love it. I also have Tikka T1x, and it's hard to compare the two and say which one I prefer. I do enjoy them both. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks! Good rifles there as well
Any problems with your tikka not ejecting shells? I have a handful of 452's and a 455 and love them and never had a problem with any of them. I get a few failure to ejects with cci standards velocity. Other than that the gun shoots great. I like the synthetic stock since its lighter, short lop and a barrel profile thats between lightweight and medium.
@@gfalexan mine extracts perfectly but did start dribbling shells out instead of launching them out recently. Not sure whats up with that yet
I have not yet had any problems yet. I put cci, wolf match, remington, Federal automatch, and norma red box, about 1000 rounds total and nothing. No failure.
So are the barrels on the CZ 457 Varmint and CZ 457 MTR different ones? I have the Varmint and couldn't see a difference on the tech sheet. It does mention in the MTR that "the 457 Match Target Rifle gets a bit more attention than the average 457 Varmint." I wish they would put that on the tech sheet 😁 I guess I answered my own question 😂
MTR has a "match chamber".
Thanks Josh for the video. I love my AREA 419 "Fully Loaded" version. A timey trigger adjusted to about 1.5 pounds makes it a fine shooter. My issue is the cheek well height of the beautiful walnut stock. Yours appears lower allowing for insertion of a cleaning guide tube. Was yours modified? Mine is actually higher than the opening to the action. I have since changed to a KRG Bravo chassis..problem solved.. but I hate having the nice wood languishing in a closet.
Mine is low enough to clean with the action in but just barely
Good video- im currently stuck between one of these, maybe the At- One, and the Tikka. If Tikka just had more factory stock options for base class nrl22... 😓
If the Tikka had a better stock, the CZ wouldn’t touch it! Better price as well!
The t1x is a great rifle. I consider them equals to the 457 except that the 457 is much more versatile with the amount of aftermarket support and the fact you can get the caliber conversions from cz.
Great video, thanks. I would love the CZ 457 MTR but I am left-handed. So my thoughts are to get the 457 ProVarmint Suppressor-Ready. It has a cheek riser and two swivel studs in the front, but with a laminate stock, not the beautiful Turkish Walnut. But I can swap out the barrel for a Lilja when I am ready like you did. Or go with the 457 Varmint with the Walnut stock and swap the barrel. Lastly, buy the MTR and swap the stock out (sounds criminal I know). In another video you mentioned that every CZ comes with the same trigger and action, so it's either swap the barrel or stock.
Yeah all the actions and triggers are the same. So being a lefty id buy the cheapest model and put it in a lh friendly stock of your choice
@@PursuitofAccuracy Agreed. I have a customized 10/22 with the target fluted bull barrel. I put in a Tandemkross bolt and charging handle/spring, did some work on the inside of the receiver to smooth out any overspray, added a nylon bolt buffer pin, and have my trigger into Brimstone Gunsmithing for their trigger job. I get slightly better than MOA out to 50 yards but have not tested at further distances. And I am shooting non-match ammo. But I really caught this bug and want a target gun. I agree that the CZ give the most "bang" for the buck. I will keep watching and appreciate the feedback.
@@cacinaz8802 i appreciate ya watching and commenting brother
I just purchased the Ruger 1286 as a base to start building, reasonable price at 380 with a stainless barrel. The CZ was a little out of my range for a build start but now i'm wondering if I should of spent the extra 400.
What about something light and semi auto ?? Longer barrow ? What would be the best accurate ones ?
It was easy to set up and easy to maintain
I have CZ457 LRP and I love it.
First, thank you for the interesting/informative/smooth-presentation. Would you please enlighten me as to why the rifle used in this video is referred to as a "CZ" product when the barrel has been retrofitted. In most of the "highly-rated-CZ" videos that you publish, the "CZ" is in fact NOT a "CZ", but rather a custom-built unit (barrel, etc.). When comparing a CZ to another brand (e.g., Ruger, Savage, etc.), would it not be an accurate presentation if the Ruger/Savage/etc. was also retrofitted (or the CZ factory barrel used)?
Thanks for the video. Is the mtr same as the at-one model?
@@djneight the at one is a different model. Mtr has a different barrel and the mtr stock has plastic pillars
@@PursuitofAccuracy thank you. Other than the different barrel length and the stock, was curious at the differences.
I bought a cz 457 varming based in your reccomendation
I WILL AGREE IF FOR NO OTHER REASON BECAUSE OF THE EASY BARREL CHANGE
I love mine - I just can’t get myself to spend any more when it shoots so good - especially since I don’t compete
I’m a sucker for wood too - I adore the stock
I hear ya there brother
Yep, a pretty piece of wood will get me reaching for the CC. My 457 MTR has some beautiful grain to it. Oh and it does shoot pretty well also.
Great choice!!
I want to see that CZ 457 go head-to-head with the voodoo ??? I have CZ 455 trainer.. awesome gun I love it specially with Eley ammunition!!!
I have a CZ455 with an ORYX chassis, I cut 1 lope from my trigger spring than adjusted to upwards 1 lb, I have an EP5 from Arken for my optics
Best Ammo I use is SK standard plus, Eley target ,SK Biathlon, and SK pistol match special
Try the SK pistol match special
Ive shot it a time or two. It does ok in a few of my rifles but falls apart pretty quick at distance
Luv my MTR - straight shooter !!
As a fellow owner of this rifle, I heartedly concur :-)
Thanks brother
Love your videos dude please explain that cyclops guy that you are shooting 50 yards not 25 like him 🤣
So as for as accuracy for the money what base model would you start with then add lilja barrel, trigger, chassis, etc? Like would you start with a varmint or pro varmint or even cheaper model if you were going to add an aftermarket barrel etc
If your going lilja and chassis get the absolute cheapest model that can be bought
Thanks man!
Betto than the Kidd on the 10/22? Or just bolt version. Should try the CZ 457 Royal with the 16" barrel for this year. (& try bulk ammo)
The supergrade is a great rifle but the price point kind of sets it behind the 457 for me
Thinking agout getting my first dedicated 22 suppressor. Have my eyes on a dead air mask hd or ea nyx mod 2. Do you have any hands on experience with both and which of thw two is quieter?
Unfortunately i dont, sorry
My MTR now sports a Lilja barrel in an MDT Stock as I'm a lefty but can also shoot RH. Might take my MTR match barrel and put it on my 457 Varmint.
Nice
CC what length L barrel did you go with ? I’m looking for the best of all worlds. I shoot 50’ and 50 yd competitions but also wanna stretch it’s legs out to 200 yds
just getting into nrl22 type of shooting. Do you feel that you get that much more advantage with a aftermarket barrel or mtr barrel for nrl22 shooting. I want to put my action into a chassis and don't like the base class scopes available. I know that ammo choice makes a lot of difference and I can't afford $25 a box of 50. I shoot cci standard velocity and eley club with good results. any advice wold be helpful.
For typical matches a factory barrel is fine. In reality for nrl or prs you need an moa rifle. Of course better may save you on a bad shot but were talking very low % here.
Best advice is spend as little as you can on intermediary steps up in equipment and use that money to buy ammo to practice with.
You will know when the equipment is holding you back.
I have a CZ457 MTR 419 30 moa rail, Arkin glass.,
I know from Watching all your videos that your well versed in the 457. Mine shoots very good but not up to my expectations, (maybe to high) . I can shoot an egg at 325 yards with Federal auto match, most of the time with one ten round mag. So, it's not a horrible shooting gun with cheap bulk ammo. But my question is the bolt is really sloppy in the receiver, have you seen this? I have had hands on with the CZ 457 Jag, Lux and others, only the Jag was worst. How much does this in your opinion affect accuracy?
I havent had one with a sloppy bolt but im guessing thats gonna affect accuracy just by the bolt not locking up the same each time
Think that’s a great rifle. Definitely worth the money. The CZ is obviously trending and is a good gun. I wouldn’t say at that price tag it’s the best for the money.
My perspective is narrow and focused on precision and long range performance. For me there hasnt been a better 22lr for the money.
What would you choose
@@PursuitofAccuracy I know and I get that. And for you the CZ is probably the best gun. The CZ is definitely a better gun but in another comment you said MOA is enough for shooting competition in base class. You can pick up a savage mark 2 fv for just over $200 and people are shooting sub MOA on that. I have heard of people shooting base class with that gun. I have also heard of people shooting ruger Americans and getting similar results with similarly priced guns. When talking about “for the money” those guns definitely ring in on the value end. They won’t outshoot the CZ but they can get the job done. There is a channel (Copper something) shooting NRL22 with a ruger prr or whatever. That will run a bit more than the American but he does well. And SocialRegressive has a savage b22 that he has also shot in some matches. His is the fvsr which comes in just under $400 msrp I think. This comment is too long and a ramble sorry. I wasn’t meaning to criticize your choice just pointing out that cheaper guns can be had.
@@gamergeek8933 for sure cheaper rifles are out there and they will 100% work for nrl. I have a ruger american video coming soon
@@gamergeek8933 Cheaper rifles can indeed be had, but they do not provide the versatility for custom add-ons or modifications that the CZ 457 does. Which I believe is in line with the emphasis that Josh was putting on the benefit of considering the CZ 457 as your base pick.
@@rt66rc86 agreed. That’s kinda what I was getting at.
Nice review - What ammo was used in this video?
Pretty sure it was eley match
I’m looking for a work horse to supplement my Vudoo. I have been in two minds between the CZ 457 MTR and the Bergara B14.
I love the CZ
But I can interchange the Vudoo stocks etc with the B14.
What to do 😅
Happy new year from ireland 🇮🇪 🍀🇮🇪
If you have the vudoo id do the b14r for compatability
Thoughts on the Savage Mark II FVXP Bolt-Action Rimfire Rifle with Scope
I havent shot that exact rifle
I owned a CZ 457 Training Rifle, 24.8-inch long barrel. Discontinued. CZ's are the 'best value' 22LR rifles around.
Yes sir
Thank You Sir! The CZ 457 action is smooth as silk compared to the Ruger Precision. Hey, was that a xringcustoms mag holder? 👍🇺🇸
Its a short action precision mag holder
I have one and am also very impressed
I like is to 22 magnum it will travel 1500 FPS all the way up to 2,200 FPS.. I do own 22LR.. I have a CZ 455 trainer it's one of my favorite rifles with the Leupold scope.. and I have a 22 magnum Ruger precision rifle with a Leupold vx5 scope on it.. if I'm going to spend that kind of money on a rimfire it's going to be a magnum.. when I look for the high in 22 so I look for a minute Magnum right now I'm looking at a Christensen arms carbon wrapped barrel in a 22 magnum.. I don't know anything about the rifle I wish you could do a review of.. I was going to buy it and put a nightforce scope on it...
If you want accuracy you will be way better off with the 22lr.
The 22mags are faster but not more accurate. That and the distinct lack of ammo options for 22mag is crazy compared to 22lr.
Josh can a left-handed shooter like me be able to use the MTR with its palm design, or would the Manners stock 457 be a better choice. Thanks. Dennis.
The palm swell is the same on both sides so not an issue
I’m a lefty and I shoot it fine
Really love the review… planning to get a cz457 and build it for precision.. is there any tips that i would get since there is a lot of cz 457?
If your gonna get a chassis and barrel buy the cheapest model you cand find. If your gonna keep the original stock id look at the mtr, chassis, or the manners models
@@PursuitofAccuracy there is mtr, american, varmint, 17mm 20mm barrel… any thoughts?
@@dontamad8600 there is actually more than that.
If your gonna keep it in the original stock get the mtr, chassis, or vpt model.
If your gonna put it in a chassis get the cheapest one you can find
@@PursuitofAccuracy i got it… i might get the xrs chasis and lilja barrel…
@@dontamad8600 there ya go
I was hoping to see at least 5 best for the money recommended 22LRs but it's all about the CZ, what was the barrel length, twist rate and recommended bullet velocity for this model?
thanks for the video.
I plan on doing a top 5 video but Im missing one of the rifles currently.
20.5" 1:16 and most match ammo will be 1060-1100 fps
@@PursuitofAccuracy
Thanks for the information
Coming from airgun world I can say it's almost similar to what the FX Impact M3 can do as far as velocity and accuracy, Happy New Year and Happy Shooting!
How well does it balance on obstacles with the magazine not flush with the stock? It seems that would be a issue.
My question is why pay for the MTR over the Pro Varmit if you’re swapping the barrel anyway? Don’t you lose the MTR match chamber advantage when you put on the Lilja?
I just loved the look of the mtr stock.
The lilja also has a match chamber
Good video buddy.
Thanks!
Thanks
I bought CZ 527 in 223 once and never again any CZ!
I have the long range version and love it .
I just bought a CZ457 American with a synthetic stock. Is this basically the same as the MTR?
It has a non match barrel vs the match barrel on the mtr
Have to admit I'm partial to the MTR Varmint too despite what Cyclops Joe says... Just sayin 😉 ( big fan of his channel)
My man
If I can ask one more question.... Any reason not to thread Lilja 21" SS drop-in barrel. Ordered today, about 3 weeks out - so time to change (and save $100). Yodave spring in the mail.
I dont get em threaded because i never use a tuner or break but wont hurt
I've had 2 CZ 457s, and I had two made on Friday afternoon. They were both not accurate at all. I'll keep my Kidd supergrade. I enjoy the semi auto function as well.
I have and enjoy a supergrade as well.
The CZ's have always performed for me. Full transparency some are very picky and you have to find that lot of ammo but ive never had one that wouldnt shoot
Is the CZ MTR the same rifle as the CZ 457 AT-One? Just in a different stock?
The mtr has a different barrel and stock. All 457's share the same receiver
So the one you just shot had a Lilja barrel ? Not a stock barrel? So now I don't really know what to expect with stock barrel cuz it wasn't good enough apparently?
Plenty of videos with the stock barrels around. I always run liljas because they offer an advantage no other prefits do, the ability to set my own headspace for the ammo im running.
The accuracy is really close to what I got from my stock mtr barrel
Hey Carrot Top Cyclops Joe says different. I think you both are in cahoots and made these video's because you know I am trying to decide what is next CZ457 or Bergara masters of confusion.
Lol
Josh is rimfire junkie, is this being a patron
That I am sir and I appreciate you. I believe you are a channel member correct? Appreciate the support
Josh, is there a Lilja barrel length that will serve up all demands (50 feet to 200 yards ?)
I get lost in videos with this & can’t seem to weed out my answer.
The standard lilja should be fine for both
Called Lilja & ordered the “standard “
Many thanks
Dale