I drove both cars and i prefer the ST. The handling is feels more tight and accurate compared the MS3. And the MS3 feels bigger imo but it's definitely still fun to drive. Overall, i still prefer the ST cause it feels more balanced overall and you feel more in control of the car compared to the MS3. And i like the interior better. But in the end, i still wouldn't mind owning either one of these cars. Thumbs up to both Mazda & Ford for these awesome hatches!!!
Had my 07 ms3 since they came out. Yes, upgraded tires made the car feel like a completely different animal. It also responds to mods very well. Easy to get 375+ hp on stock turbo without a built block. Still puts a smile on my face every time I gun it. Best car I've ever driven
No matter what review you watch of the ST it's constantly getting great reviews. I went to test drive one about a week ago and I see exactly why it's doing so well even with a short drive. Might even get one when the new 2015 models come out!
Internet care reviews. Chris Harris #1. You guys a very close second. Different shows. Different budget. Both fantastic, though. Very impressed. Keep up the good work!
For anyone still going through the comments, I’ve had the chance to own both a 11 ms3 and a 17 ST. The speed3 gave me more smiles out on the road, and since it has a mechanical LSD instead of an electric one, it was much more confidence inspiring in the rain and snow. It also helped the car put down power from a dig, so I could beat a good amount of cars from a dig (wrx, s197 gt) with driver mod and a good launch. The focus however rotates on command and on the autox track will outcorner a ms3 stock for stock. IMO, I like the ms3 front better than the focus, as the hood vent and smile are endearing to me, but the focus is more attractive from more angles and (st2 trim and above) has a much better interior than the Mazda. The recaro’s in the focus are hands down superior to the ms3, which has decent seats but nothing to write home about. I think the focus is a better daily if you live in a drier environment and don’t plan on modding the car, but I would take the speed 3 if I had to choose because the aftermarket is better and it has a true lsd, and I just enjoyed myself and the car more. One last thing to note is that with TCS off, the st I found had more torque steer, for anyone concerned
I just bought an ST. I've driven the MS3 and owned an Evo. The ST is more balanced between daily driver and gut wrenching fun. It's really about what you like at the time.
I️ traded my MS3 8 years ago for a ST after watching this video. What a mistake. I️ got rid of the Ford three years later and looking back, the MS3 wins. Period.
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Your guy's formula for review is purely the best on the market. Love the duality of the quality POV offered from your experience. Thank you for doing what you guys do because it really does help to make import decisions for finding the right vehicle!
I own a mazda 3 mps or speed 3 as it's known in the US. I'm fed up of reviewers complaining of torque steer. It grips and go's. End of! Just hold the wheel and floor it. It's just a fast fwd car with a good old fashioned limited slip differential with lots of grip and power. Only pussies that can't drive complain and get scared of a little torque steer. It's a great, fast car with a personality.
We hope you noticed how much we like the MazdaSpeed3 here. Todd especially is a big fan of the car. The torquesteer doesn't shy him away from enjoying or recommending the car. However, it does exist, and we feel should definitely be mentioned. Thanks for watching.
I'll agree with you there as i just recently just purchased one. However after testing the ST and Speed3, I have to agree with Todd and say that the car passion for the "must go faster" feel is spot on. It's very fun to drive and I really think the computer system behind the ST is brilliant but it gets in the way of the car. I plan to do some of on the Speed3 and would love to share it with you guys in the future. *side note* the Speed3 is roomier as well :) great vid
I bought a speed 3 because of this video. You guys are awesome and honestly my favorite reviewers. Thank you for all the work you put into these videos!
Bought a manual mazdaspeed 3 a few months ago. Most fun car I’ve ever driven. Gives you the full experience. Turbo-lag, turbo spool, handling, torque steer, and the full 265hp in 3rd and 4th feel amazing
By far, the most honest review of these 2 cars to date.I own a 2012 MS3 and did test drive a Focus ST before buying the MS3. I guess I like to be entertained when I drive, because I found the ST to be too quiet and claustrophobic. The ST is a great car,but I enjoy a car that is engaging and keeps you involved in the driving experience.
I feel as though the japanese market is falling behind in styling and interior design. the recaro seats in the ST look and feel comfortable and would hold you in place. Mazda looks too friendly.
I'm sick at home today and watched like 30 of these EverydayDriver's reviews. Great job gents. Very informative and enjoyable. I did get stuck with the same god damn Shell commercial at the front of every video so needless to say I won't be gassing up at a Shell station for a year or two.
You gentlemen may just be the best car reviewers. I honestly watch your videos even when i don't like the cars you are reviewing because i know i'm going to learn something. Thank you for your dedication to making quality videos.
Fav review from you guys so far. More respect to Paul that he was able to admit he was wrong with giving such a over-the-top previous review. I will definitely take future reviews from you guys more seriously.
I own a 2013 ST and what they described about the ST is absolutely spot on. Speed3 is more characterful, while the ST is more refined. For me the ST still feels like a FWD because of the torque steer, particularly 1st and 2nd gear, but its not that bad and you can tell the computer sorting things out. Excellent video guys, subbed!
I have a Mazda Speed 3 Turbo and love it. It is so fun to drive. I have looked at other cars and there is no comparison. Torque Steer that why it's fun. If you get a chance to take a clover leaf on ramp with no one in front of you can feel the pull and when the turbo engages the swoosh that come with that is music to my ears. In 3rd gear this car is begging for you to floor it. You hit fourth, fifth and then six gear and you better watch your speedometer because you'll be going over 80 and 90 mph in a flash. This car is a hooligan and a hoot to drive!
Actually.. the guys disagreed on which car they preferred - they picked different cars for different reasons. That often happens on our show. We hope you'll watch the entire video, especially the wrap-up discussion as you might find you agree with the points made by one of the guys. Thanks for watching and commenting.
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17 Focus ST owner here. Always loved Mazda but drove this ST n fell in love. I smoked quite a few MS3 (not by very much but win is a win) with my Focus stock. Now I have stage 1 tune n it really opened up and with rear engine mount it's super smooth and puts power down waaayyyyy better. I'm super confident against any speed 3 not too over worked. In love with how I can bring the back end of my ST out at will without braking it's incredible. For the price it can't be beaten.
Got the gen 2 ms3 in 2009 and still love it. One thing to consider is that most of ms3 drivers purchased this car not for being predictable, quickest around the track or sophisticated interior but for being so raw in power delivery and its hooligan nature. Like an old ms3 commercial states, it's mazdas "wild child".
Just bought my new 2013 Mazdaspeed3 a week ago and it's a great car. I like it's more raw personality and the power delivery. Puts a smile on my face each time I drive it. Great review BTW.
test drove the MazdaS3 last week, it put a HUGE smile on my face and consider the great price. it feels like a race car, who would ever know with that hatch styling.
I absolutely find myself becoming addicted to the ya'lls video, once again great job.Most people will agree with me, when it comes to automotive review videos, ya'll win hands down. Well until next time, have a great day look forward to upcoming videos.
I bought a 13 ms3 in march......freakin hilarious....love it....can't say enough good things about it. as far as the tourque steer goes it isn't nearly the issue every reviewer seems to make of it. truly great little car.
Wow, you guys do really high quality, professional grade reviews, everything from the commentary to the camera work. Nice job. Both cars are great hot hatches depending on what you are looking for, except I agree with you guys on the front ends. I don't understand why so many car makers and making these ridiculous oversized grills nowadays.
my speed3 is my baby, and as my first car at age 17, it has exceeded all of my dreams and expectations from a year and a half ago when I first began lusting after one. the styling to me doesn't look crazy or out of place at all, and truly fits the way the car drives: wild, crazy, and always looking for a good time. the torque steer is strong but manageable in my opinion for anyone who has driven fwd hard before, but the power and road feedback through the steering compensate in joy for any stress from torque steer. the heavy and bitey clutch makes it feel like a sports car and gives it that "car that trains the driver" feeling, which i personally love. i hope never to sell this car and to keep it in my collection forever!
Speed3 is so much fun. Every time I drive it, I smile. When I drove the st, the whole time I was waiting for the power and never felt it. When I drive the Mazda I can't get enough of it.
If you get the chance to drive a MS3 again try a little trick I learned with mine (a 2012). Hold the traction control button down as you start the car and keep it held down for like 12 seconds. If it works the traction control light will stay on until you turn the car off again. What it does is turns off the traction control and electronically limited power at low speeds. It is always nice to have FULL throttle when launching.
I purchased Mazda 3 MPS (Australia) in late 2011,same car as current model and it still puts a smile on my face,it is a hell of a lot of fun to drive (legally of course) :) incredibly responsive engine and tight handling,very little under steer if set up properly.
A lot of the suspension bits in the Speed 3 say FoMoCo on them as in Ford Motor Company. The 2.3 in the mazda can also trace it's roots back to Ford. These are facts.
First, great video. Really entertaining and more insightful than most car reviews. Second, really appreciate that you both go on a limb and really express your opinions. Seems like a lot of reviews end with ambiguity and the viewer doesn't really know where they stand. +1 for EverdayDriver
A huge Thank You for saying this. You've hit on exactly why we do the show and what we strive for in all of our work. We know that stats are available lots of places and many larger outlets will review cars and display stats long before we get behind the wheel. We want our reviews to take all of you driving with us. We're thrilled to hear it's working for you! Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!
I find myself looking at my TH-cam subscriptions everyday hoping you guys would post a new video. You guys are entertaining to watch and it feels honest. I have to admit, one of the biggest reasons I bought my 370Z in 2009 was because of your review. I watched it a million times! Keep up the good work! BTW, I've been eyeing the new Porsche Boxster, and I think you guys could convince me sign my life away for a Porsche =).
Wow this review is way better and MUCH more accurate than the the first MazdaSpeed 3 review. I consiued both of these cars including the Civic SI for about Two Yeats and got the same red speed 3 in this video I love driving it everyday and it looks aggressive and is a BEAST.
Glad your enjoyed it and took the time to comment. We’ve been doing this longer than most on TH-cam and pleased when the older stuff is still helpful. Good luck in your car search, and thanks for watching!
i think that most people buy a hot hatch because they're adults, have commitments, have a family/partner... BUT want to have fun from time to time. If this weren't the case, we would all either buy a pure sports car, or a pure family car. For this reason i find the mazdas more "fun" characteristics really endearing, despite its downfalls.
This is the exact reason I'm looking at hatches. I want a 2015 Mustang but with me getting married this year and kids on the way in the next couple of years, a 2 door coupe just isn't practical for me. I honestly never would have thought I would ever consider a hatch but where else can I get something that is as fun to drive, as practical and in the fouce's case, as good in MPG? No where.
I am still amazed at how many of these comparison videos fail to notice, or at least mention that BOTH of these cars are on the same C1 global platform developed jointly by Ford, Mazda, and Volvo. There are tuning differences, for sure, but the front and rear subframes and suspensions share tons of parts.
I have the 1st gen Speed3 and this review seems fair. It's very raw and sometimes brutal, like a front-wheel drive muscle car. But it's extremely fun to hoon around canyons and highways. Steering is precise with excellent road feel and feed back. You can hear every rock and pebble hitting the underside and the awesome crackle and pop from the exhaust. Not one issue after 5 years. Plus the $4500 off MSRP made it worth it (during 2008 recession fire sale).
I owned a 2010 ms3 modded to 300whp and now have a FST. I agree with this vid 100%. im a bit older now and do prefer the FST. The refinement and front end grip are superior to the ms3. Not to mention the aftermarket for the FST is already quite large compared to the ms3 which only had a handful of tuners to turn to in its first couple of years. Cant go wrong either way
"The functions of the car take time to load, like software" LOL. That bar shows you how long the notification is showing for, not how long the transition takes. XD
I am of the same vain, I own a 2010 Mazdaspeed 3, and the front end halted me at first from getting it till I did a test drive. Then I was sold on it! The "smiley" front end is contagious as I tend to smile too when I drive it.
Thank you very much for saying this! We work very hard at what we do and are thrilled when it works for the audience as we hope. We want everyone to find and own a car they will love driving, so knowing our work helps with purchase decisions and discussions is awesome. Thanks for watching, commenting, and being a fan of our show. Please share!
Guys your work is really amazing..I have watched almost all your reviews, your work reflects passion....Please do something on the NSX, I so want that from you guys! :)
I've been stationed in Korea for a year and I come home on the 20th of June, I plan on getting a Mazdaspeed3 when I get to the states (: I can't wait!!!
No need to yell, we hear you. We hope you noticed that the MazdaSpeed3 did well in this comparison. Pick any car and it's easy to find people who love the looks as well as those that hate them. We're glad you like the looks of the MS3, but those who disagree are just as valid. Overall, we want people to own cars they are passionate about, so we're pleased that you like the MS3 so much. Thanks for watching and we hope you'll watch more of what we do.
I have two Gen 2 Mazdaspeed 3's and dearly love them both. I have driven a small handful of turbocharged FWD cars, but my experience with the MS3 is so different from any of the FWD turbos I have driven that comparisons quickly stop. One other note: driving the Speed 3 has made me a better driver, there are fewer times I lose concentration and my connection with the steering wheel is significantly better - because it has to be!
And @Tyler.... You guys have had this discussion for days now and it seems un-ending. We wonder if you may be wasting your time at this point. We're thrilled you are so passionate about these cars and this comparison. We review cars in stock form, as it is the only "base line" available, and the way manufacturers choose to sell each model. We greatly appreciate you watching and commenting. We welcome any new comments. If you want to continue this current argument we'd ask that you go to PMs.
This was a fantastic review. I am so glad you guys have kept tge quality of the videos so high; it makes it a joy to see your opinions grow and mature over time. I might suggest you take care when using the term "racing car for the road." I certainly know what you meant in this context, but it is a tad cliche. See Chris Harris' 1.0l formula ford video for a better explanation than I might provide.
You guys did it AGAIN! I laughed watching the 2 of you find yourselves. Of ALL the cars you've driven and you're still finding out who you are and what you like ;)
I had a 2010 Speed 3 and I just went out last Friday and grabbed a 2013 Speed 3 since the new 3's look gay as shit IMO. The 2013 while the same car has been refined so much by Mazda. Suspension is much tighter, the 3rd gear crunch is gone, torque steer has been lessened, better Nav, just overall a better car. I tried the ST and it's cool but like the reviewer said you just don't feel the laugh or the same kind of fun in it. The Speed is raw with an "I'm gonna kick your ass" attitude that I love. This is a purchase I can easily live with and will have tons of fun with.
Nice review - like what you guys are doing. In Europe people are not bothering to test the Mazda 3 versus the newer hot hatches, as its just pretty much past its sell by date. Instead we get the Vauxhall (Opel) Astra VXR, VW Golf GTi, Renault Megane 265 and BMW M135i, which seem more relevant. Seemed odd you didn't touch on emissions. Last time I looked at UK spec, the Mazda was heavy on fuel and pretty expensive to run. Also it just looks dated (new model due soon). Keep up the good work.
Another great comparo guys. I'm really enjoy how you guys describe each car, as I feel like I'm riding along shotgun and experiencing each car, right along side with you. Oddly, I usually seem to be looking for the stats of the vehicle that's being tested however, that's not what you guys are all about.....I tend to find myself enjoying your show despite not having the stats because with you guys, it's more about how the car feels and I'm really enjoying that. Thanks for another great video!
Hey paul and todd big fan here of your show here and great job on the review on both . Paul i was picked up the speed 3 from you while back. I like the speed3 .one thing i dislike its the face . I want to drive the ford. Any keep up the awsome job guys .
For me, it's the Speed3. I mean, hell I bought one last year after doing a ton of research in the hot hatch segment (and that included your last video with it). What can I say, I agree with Todd. Also congrats on the first fair, balanced and unbiased review between the two cars. :)
How could you not love the MS3 it's the only car I've driven (including the new SLS AMG, the ST, Porsche Cayman, Audi RS5) that made me smile the whole time I drive it and when I got out, for the price and the hot hatch category the Mazdaspeed 3 is perfect!
Once again, a job well done! As for which car I'd pick...Focus ST. Why? Because the Ford's interior and all around package is what I look for in a daily driver, and that's what hot hatches are all about IMHO! Again, great vid ED!
I own an original 2007 Cosmic Blue Speed3 that I got in September of 2006. Almost 96,000 miles on it. It's by far, the most fun car I have ever driven. I still think it looks great (better than this newer version) and it has been trouble free. I can't wait for the next generation Speed3 to come out in a year or two. I already have my checkbook ready
traction control doesnt need "to load like software"... you've completely mistaken the UI design. Each time a notification pops up, it has a set time until it goes away. The progress bar at the bottom is there to let you know how long you've got left to read it, its not "loading" anything... The traction control modes change the split second you press the button.
OG Speed owners represent! 11 years of ownership of one of the all time great sport compacts. Platform cousin Focus ST isn't too shabby either. Discontinued, affordable sport compact dream machines that we'll never see again. Get yours now before they're unattainable.
Very decent review and agree on the conclusions, the MPS 3 (UK) is completely bonkers and equally entertaining, the Focus ST is refined, comfortable fast and a little dull (relatively, these are still fun cars). I couldn't live with the Mazda as a daily driver, it's just a bit too eager to pull you into the nearest hedgerow when you're storming down a country lane. The Focus ST is great, but it now has one massive downfall... The Fiesta ST. The Fiesta has all of the great features of the Focus (yes it's slightly down on power, but it weighs a lot less so is pretty competitive in the real world) and yet it has a much more entertaining attitude. It's not as refined as a Focus ST or Golf GTI, but it's a lot more entertaining, always wanting you to nail it from A to B down a country road. Would love to see a comparison between all of the hot hatches, including the smaller ones like the Abarth, Fiesta and S1 to see how they all compete. Personally, I think the smaller cars are more fun with less compromises these days than initially expected. And yes, I voted with my wallet and bought a '14 Fiesta ST-2 in Spirit Blue :)
Some great thoughts here, thanks for sharing! You'd probably enjoy our most recent comparison Fiat 500 Abarth and the Fiesta ST. Here's part 1 : th-cam.com/video/EY6TYmdLrcc/w-d-xo.html We'd welcome your thoughts and are thrilled to hear you like your Fiesta!
EverydayDriver Thanks for the link, have previously watched the Abarth 500 vs Fiesta ST videos, great comparison. The Abarth is a little firecracker and I was quite tempted by it, but the all-round capabilities of the Fiesta shone through as a daily driver. Whilst watching this video (Focus ST) I seriously considered what it is that people want from a hot hatch, with the only criticisms of the Focus ST being that it's a bit soft and slightly dull. Both of these minor drawbacks to the hot hatch enthusiast are completely resolved in the Fiesta, with very little compromises... So, do you think that the smaller hatchbacks have the capabilities to mix it with the 'big boys' these days? I've not seen anyone properly compare the more compact hot hatches against their bigger counterparts... Personally I think the results might surprise the majority. These new mini hot hatches are as quick or quicker than the mk5 GTI and not much smaller. Leaves me wondering do you need any more speed in the real world of every day driving where hot hatches excel?
Another great series, guys. My favorite hot hatch is a "hatchback" not a "wagon hatch" like these ones, the Toyota Celica, particularly the All-trac variants.
This is the best video I have seen for these two cars. I love the engine noise from st, and I crap myself when I see the st behind me cuz I know it's better on a track. But my 3mps always make me happy when I drive home :D
I like the fact that Paul gave a try to see whats Mazdaspeed all about and changing his view on it. I like how you guys do review on all cars, professional yet funny and interesting to watch. I drove both cars and both of them are great, but Im more into speed and tq like most of the people who wants to go fast, although I love the interior in the focus, those seats, dash, gauges are sweet, but... Like the guy said "Mazda puts smile on your face" thats what this all about :)
Hey guys, I think you should make the music a little softer when you bring it in under the talking. it makes it hard to understand you. Great video in general
This video has a much more better, subjective review of the cars, this really helps in deciding which of the two cars a driver might want... as for me, I'm going for the MazdaSpeed 3, as mentioned, I just wanna have a laugh... I really appreciate the review, a BIG thanks!
Terrific review, I really love the sound of what the speed is like, its agresive, it wants to throw you across the road, it doesn't care how linearly it makes power, or how much it spins it wheels, its juvenile and that's why I LOVE them
I love my Speed 3, it's an absolute bonkers car, everyday I drive it, i genuinely feel it wants to kill me and that's what I love the most about it.
+Eric Rivera EXACTLY
lol pretty much
Same!!
Hugo Gomez
I have a 2010 Mazda 3 SP25 but once I’m off my P’s I’ll probably upgrade to a speed 3 for the extra power!!!! I love Mazda’s!!!!
Same. Test drove a focus st and its smoother and more balanced but is not as raw or crazy as the speed3.
For those confused like me: grey ceiling is Mazda, black roof is focus :)
Just sold my Speed3. 168,400 miles no issues, just performed regular maintenance.
What a well built car. Bought it new back in 2013.
grinning idiot vs. depressed catfish. LOL
icawn 😂😂😂😂I thought only Camaro was a catfish. What were you thinking, Ford?
Ford was smart enough to give a facelift
I drove both cars and i prefer the ST. The handling is feels more tight and accurate compared the MS3. And the MS3 feels bigger imo but it's definitely still fun to drive. Overall, i still prefer the ST cause it feels more balanced overall and you feel more in control of the car compared to the MS3. And i like the interior better. But in the end, i still wouldn't mind owning either one of these cars. Thumbs up to both Mazda & Ford for these awesome hatches!!!
The speed would absolutely murder the st tuned bolt ons
@@getmeoffthisplanet4357 Well it do come out of the box with more power and torque.
@@eckard9597 since when? ms3 makes more power and torque
@@andrewred7357 I was talking about the ms3 bro
Just bought a mazdaspeed3 and put a cold air intake and changed the exhaust an I added a blow off valve for the turbo. I absolutely love my car!
paul marques Here, here to the cold air intake...and the exhaust we did that too but also dyno-tuned.
did the car blow up?
@@marcov9808 lol he zzb'd. No hpfp
@Nickolas Steele I was literally typing the same thing, but the original post was five years ago
@Nickolas Steele 1st gen can handle an intake without hpfb 2nd gens for some reason needed a tune. Any mods for 2nd gen needs hpfp
Had my 07 ms3 since they came out. Yes, upgraded tires made the car feel like a completely different animal. It also responds to mods very well. Easy to get 375+ hp on stock turbo without a built block.
Still puts a smile on my face every time I gun it. Best car I've ever driven
No matter what review you watch of the ST it's constantly getting great reviews. I went to test drive one about a week ago and I see exactly why it's doing so well even with a short drive. Might even get one when the new 2015 models come out!
It's worth it
And look at that. You got one.
Yup! And I got one too lol this is such an incredible daily driver with tons of fun in any scenario.
You should make a TH-cam channel about it
I love the front end of the MS3 :( jerks lol.
me too :D
Honestly, grinning idiot on the outside to match the grinning behind the wheel. It's so fun
I know. Focus St= D: MS3= :D
It’s so happy it makes me smile with it
Internet care reviews. Chris Harris #1. You guys a very close second. Different shows. Different budget. Both fantastic, though. Very impressed. Keep up the good work!
Chris Harris?? Jeremy clarkson is #1
For anyone still going through the comments, I’ve had the chance to own both a 11 ms3 and a 17 ST. The speed3 gave me more smiles out on the road, and since it has a mechanical LSD instead of an electric one, it was much more confidence inspiring in the rain and snow. It also helped the car put down power from a dig, so I could beat a good amount of cars from a dig (wrx, s197 gt) with driver mod and a good launch. The focus however rotates on command and on the autox track will outcorner a ms3 stock for stock. IMO, I like the ms3 front better than the focus, as the hood vent and smile are endearing to me, but the focus is more attractive from more angles and (st2 trim and above) has a much better interior than the Mazda. The recaro’s in the focus are hands down superior to the ms3, which has decent seats but nothing to write home about. I think the focus is a better daily if you live in a drier environment and don’t plan on modding the car, but I would take the speed 3 if I had to choose because the aftermarket is better and it has a true lsd, and I just enjoyed myself and the car more. One last thing to note is that with TCS off, the st I found had more torque steer, for anyone concerned
Good post. Do you still have the MS3/ST ?
I just bought an ST. I've driven the MS3 and owned an Evo. The ST is more balanced between daily driver and gut wrenching fun. It's really about what you like at the time.
JR Chapman You got rid od your EVO for an ST :s///
JR Chapman ive owned a speed for a while then went to 2012 evo. the evo doesnt make a good daily so im going back to the speed
ST pussy
I think mazdaspeed3 is a great daily driver. lol.
Do you have your st still? If you do, would you be interested in selling it?
I️ traded my MS3 8 years ago for a ST after watching this video. What a mistake. I️ got rid of the Ford three years later and looking back, the MS3 wins. Period.
did you end up in an MS3?
Depressed Catfish. I'll never be able to see one these cars again without that phrase flashing through my mind.
lol, it looks cool tho
fr lol
Mazda: :D
Ford: D:
Thank you for saying this - we are very flattered to know you'll watch even if the car isn't to your taste. We will keep pushing to make great stuff, and raise the bar whenever we can. Glad to have you as a viewer - and please pass us along to others!
Your guy's formula for review is purely the best on the market. Love the duality of the quality POV offered from your experience. Thank you for doing what you guys do because it really does help to make import decisions for finding the right vehicle!
I own a mazda 3 mps or speed 3 as it's known in the US. I'm fed up of reviewers complaining of torque steer. It grips and go's. End of! Just hold the wheel and floor it. It's just a fast fwd car with a good old fashioned limited slip differential with lots of grip and power. Only pussies that can't drive complain and get scared of a little torque steer. It's a great, fast car with a personality.
We hope you noticed how much we like the MazdaSpeed3 here. Todd especially is a big fan of the car. The torquesteer doesn't shy him away from enjoying or recommending the car. However, it does exist, and we feel should definitely be mentioned. Thanks for watching.
I'll agree with you there as i just recently just purchased one. However after testing the ST and Speed3, I have to agree with Todd and say that the car passion for the "must go faster" feel is spot on. It's very fun to drive and I really think the computer system behind the ST is brilliant but it gets in the way of the car. I plan to do some of on the Speed3 and would love to share it with you guys in the future. *side note* the Speed3 is roomier as well :) great vid
A little suspension mod and upgraded engine mounts can help reduce torque steer though right?
yep my 2012 speed3 is lowed on just corksport springs and strouts and there is a big difference
Fucking right lol
I bought a speed 3 because of this video. You guys are awesome and honestly my favorite reviewers. Thank you for all the work you put into these videos!
I'm with Todd.....I drove a friend's MS3 and I laughed like a school-girl!!
Bought a manual mazdaspeed 3 a few months ago. Most fun car I’ve ever driven. Gives you the full experience. Turbo-lag, turbo spool, handling, torque steer, and the full 265hp in 3rd and 4th feel amazing
By far, the most honest review of these 2 cars to date.I own a 2012 MS3 and did test drive a Focus ST before buying the MS3. I guess I like to be entertained when I drive, because I found the ST to be too quiet and claustrophobic. The ST is a great car,but I enjoy a car that is engaging and keeps you involved in the driving experience.
I feel as though the japanese market is falling behind in styling and interior design. the recaro seats in the ST look and feel comfortable and would hold you in place. Mazda looks too friendly.
I'm sick at home today and watched like 30 of these EverydayDriver's reviews. Great job gents. Very informative and enjoyable. I did get stuck with the same god damn Shell commercial at the front of every video so needless to say I won't be gassing up at a Shell station for a year or two.
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lol hate those damn ads
Mazda speed 3 my choice. I'm against cars that use computers to make you a better driver
its got terrible torque steer tho ..and on the track.. that equates to an asswhooping by the ST
Both good fun cars
Agreed..I'd drive/own either..but the st to me.. Is more refined. If I bought the Mazda...I'd get a quaife differential immediately lol
b00stedrust yeah. The best part is both have tons of aftermarket support. I know I'm currently spending a lot on my st.
I have a speed3 and torque steer ain't shit, pussaaaay
You gentlemen may just be the best car reviewers. I honestly watch your videos even when i don't like the cars you are reviewing because i know i'm going to learn something. Thank you for your dedication to making quality videos.
Fav review from you guys so far. More respect to Paul that he was able to admit he was wrong with giving such a over-the-top previous review. I will definitely take future reviews from you guys more seriously.
I own a 2013 ST and what they described about the ST is absolutely spot on. Speed3 is more characterful, while the ST is more refined. For me the ST still feels like a FWD because of the torque steer, particularly 1st and 2nd gear, but its not that bad and you can tell the computer sorting things out.
Excellent video guys, subbed!
I have a Mazda Speed 3 Turbo and love it. It is so fun to drive. I have looked at other cars and there is no comparison. Torque Steer that why it's fun. If you get a chance to take a clover leaf on ramp with no one in front of you can feel the pull and when the turbo engages the swoosh that come with that is music to my ears. In 3rd gear this car is begging for you to floor it. You hit fourth, fifth and then six gear and you better watch your speedometer because you'll be going over 80 and 90 mph in a flash. This car is a hooligan and a hoot to drive!
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17 Focus ST owner here. Always loved Mazda but drove this ST n fell in love. I smoked quite a few MS3 (not by very much but win is a win) with my Focus stock. Now I have stage 1 tune n it really opened up and with rear engine mount it's super smooth and puts power down waaayyyyy better. I'm super confident against any speed 3 not too over worked. In love with how I can bring the back end of my ST out at will without braking it's incredible. For the price it can't be beaten.
First time watching one of these guys videos, and man they do a good job explaining everything. Nice review.
Got the gen 2 ms3 in 2009 and still love it. One thing to consider is that most of ms3 drivers purchased this car not for being predictable, quickest around the track or sophisticated interior but for being so raw in power delivery and its hooligan nature. Like an old ms3 commercial states, it's mazdas "wild child".
Both are awesome.
Just bought my new 2013 Mazdaspeed3 a week ago and it's a great car. I like it's more raw personality and the power delivery. Puts a smile on my face each time I drive it. Great review BTW.
test drove the MazdaS3 last week, it put a HUGE smile on my face and consider the great price. it feels like a race car, who would ever know with that hatch styling.
I absolutely find myself becoming addicted to the ya'lls video, once again great job.Most people will agree with me, when it comes to automotive review videos, ya'll win hands down. Well until next time, have a great day look forward to upcoming videos.
I bought a 13 ms3 in march......freakin hilarious....love it....can't say enough good things about it. as far as the tourque steer goes it isn't nearly the issue every reviewer seems to make of it. truly great little car.
Wow, you guys do really high quality, professional grade reviews, everything from the commentary to the camera work. Nice job.
Both cars are great hot hatches depending on what you are looking for, except I agree with you guys on the front ends. I don't understand why so many car makers and making these ridiculous oversized grills nowadays.
my speed3 is my baby, and as my first car at age 17, it has exceeded all of my dreams and expectations from a year and a half ago when I first began lusting after one. the styling to me doesn't look crazy or out of place at all, and truly fits the way the car drives: wild, crazy, and always looking for a good time. the torque steer is strong but manageable in my opinion for anyone who has driven fwd hard before, but the power and road feedback through the steering compensate in joy for any stress from torque steer. the heavy and bitey clutch makes it feel like a sports car and gives it that "car that trains the driver" feeling, which i personally love. i hope never to sell this car and to keep it in my collection forever!
Still got it?
@@jamesrather1510 I do, and I still happily daily drive it. I've taken it from 76600 miles to now about 118400
Well I test drove both and I got the ST back in June 2013. Haven't regretted a single day
Speed3 is so much fun. Every time I drive it, I smile. When I drove the st, the whole time I was waiting for the power and never felt it. When I drive the Mazda I can't get enough of it.
I had a 2010 speed 3 and I miss the crap out of it. It was more fun than my 2014 Camaro SS. For sure. Think I may get another one
If you get the chance to drive a MS3 again try a little trick I learned with mine (a 2012). Hold the traction control button down as you start the car and keep it held down for like 12 seconds. If it works the traction control light will stay on until you turn the car off again. What it does is turns off the traction control and electronically limited power at low speeds. It is always nice to have FULL throttle when launching.
I purchased Mazda 3 MPS (Australia) in late 2011,same car as current model and it still puts a smile on my face,it is a hell of a lot of fun to drive (legally of course) :) incredibly responsive engine and tight handling,very little under steer if set up properly.
thats awesome mate i wish my one was an MPS haha ive got a 2012 neo
Another great work! You are arguably the best - well-spoken and articulate.
A lot of the suspension bits in the Speed 3 say FoMoCo on them as in Ford Motor Company. The 2.3 in the mazda can also trace it's roots back to Ford. These are facts.
You mean Ford used the 2.3 from mazda and slammed it into the Focus RS 😉
First, great video. Really entertaining and more insightful than most car reviews.
Second, really appreciate that you both go on a limb and really express your opinions. Seems like a lot of reviews end with ambiguity and the viewer doesn't really know where they stand. +1 for EverdayDriver
I agree, I much prefer stat-less reviews, I get an email reminder every time these guys post reviews, they are the best.
The Speed 3 is a drivers car.
..so is any ST
The ST just does everything well, a little extra tuning and your smiles will just grow bigger
A huge Thank You for saying this. You've hit on exactly why we do the show and what we strive for in all of our work. We know that stats are available lots of places and many larger outlets will review cars and display stats long before we get behind the wheel. We want our reviews to take all of you driving with us. We're thrilled to hear it's working for you! Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!
I find myself looking at my TH-cam subscriptions everyday hoping you guys would post a new video. You guys are entertaining to watch and it feels honest. I have to admit, one of the biggest reasons I bought my 370Z in 2009 was because of your review. I watched it a million times! Keep up the good work! BTW, I've been eyeing the new Porsche Boxster, and I think you guys could convince me sign my life away for a Porsche =).
Wow this review is way better and MUCH more accurate than the the first MazdaSpeed 3 review. I consiued both of these cars including the Civic SI for about Two Yeats and got the same red speed 3 in this video I love driving it everyday and it looks aggressive and is a BEAST.
I'm looking at these used and I'm extremely impressed at the video quality here. It feels like it was made this year
Glad your enjoyed it and took the time to comment. We’ve been doing this longer than most on TH-cam and pleased when the older stuff is still helpful. Good luck in your car search, and thanks for watching!
@@EverydayDriverMazda3 Turbo, brand new, or a unicorn, owned-by-a- grandma low mileage Mazdaspeed3. Which one do you take?
i think that most people buy a hot hatch because they're adults, have commitments, have a family/partner... BUT want to have fun from time to time. If this weren't the case, we would all either buy a pure sports car, or a pure family car. For this reason i find the mazdas more "fun" characteristics really endearing, despite its downfalls.
This is the exact reason I'm looking at hatches. I want a 2015 Mustang but with me getting married this year and kids on the way in the next couple of years, a 2 door coupe just isn't practical for me. I honestly never would have thought I would ever consider a hatch but where else can I get something that is as fun to drive, as practical and in the fouce's case, as good in MPG? No where.
I am still amazed at how many of these comparison videos fail to notice, or at least mention that BOTH of these cars are on the same C1 global platform developed jointly by Ford, Mazda, and Volvo. There are tuning differences, for sure, but the front and rear subframes and suspensions share tons of parts.
I have the 1st gen Speed3 and this review seems fair. It's very raw and sometimes brutal, like a front-wheel drive muscle car. But it's extremely fun to hoon around canyons and highways. Steering is precise with excellent road feel and feed back. You can hear every rock and pebble hitting the underside and the awesome crackle and pop from the exhaust. Not one issue after 5 years. Plus the $4500 off MSRP made it worth it (during 2008 recession fire sale).
mazdaspeed3 is a pure drivers car.
I owned a 2010 ms3 modded to 300whp and now have a FST. I agree with this vid 100%. im a bit older now and do prefer the FST. The refinement and front end grip are superior to the ms3. Not to mention the aftermarket for the FST is already quite large compared to the ms3 which only had a handful of tuners to turn to in its first couple of years. Cant go wrong either way
"The functions of the car take time to load, like software" LOL. That bar shows you how long the notification is showing for, not how long the transition takes. XD
I am of the same vain, I own a 2010 Mazdaspeed 3, and the front end halted me at first from getting it till I did a test drive. Then I was sold on it! The "smiley" front end is contagious as I tend to smile too when I drive it.
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Damn.... this was probably one of the best reviews!
Guys your work is really amazing..I have watched almost all your reviews, your work reflects passion....Please do something on the NSX, I so want that from you guys! :)
I've been stationed in Korea for a year and I come home on the 20th of June, I plan on getting a Mazdaspeed3 when I get to the states (: I can't wait!!!
Why is this review so entirely fixated on the FWD characteristics? Is there nothing else to the cars?
Good point!
Because they're old yanks and are too used to being surrounded by rwd v8's?
No need to yell, we hear you. We hope you noticed that the MazdaSpeed3 did well in this comparison. Pick any car and it's easy to find people who love the looks as well as those that hate them. We're glad you like the looks of the MS3, but those who disagree are just as valid. Overall, we want people to own cars they are passionate about, so we're pleased that you like the MS3 so much. Thanks for watching and we hope you'll watch more of what we do.
I have two Gen 2 Mazdaspeed 3's and dearly love them both. I have driven a small handful of turbocharged FWD cars, but my experience with the MS3 is so different from any of the FWD turbos I have driven that comparisons quickly stop. One other note: driving the Speed 3 has made me a better driver, there are fewer times I lose concentration and my connection with the steering wheel is significantly better - because it has to be!
And @Tyler.... You guys have had this discussion for days now and it seems un-ending. We wonder if you may be wasting your time at this point. We're thrilled you are so passionate about these cars and this comparison.
We review cars in stock form, as it is the only "base line" available, and the way manufacturers choose to sell each model. We greatly appreciate you watching and commenting. We welcome any new comments. If you want to continue this current argument we'd ask that you go to PMs.
This was a fantastic review. I am so glad you guys have kept tge quality of the videos so high; it makes it a joy to see your opinions grow and mature over time.
I might suggest you take care when using the term "racing car for the road." I certainly know what you meant in this context, but it is a tad cliche. See Chris Harris' 1.0l formula ford video for a better explanation than I might provide.
You guys did it AGAIN! I laughed watching the 2 of you find yourselves. Of ALL the cars you've driven and you're still finding out who you are and what you like ;)
Always excited to see a new upload from you all.
I had a 2010 Speed 3 and I just went out last Friday and grabbed a 2013 Speed 3 since the new 3's look gay as shit IMO. The 2013 while the same car has been refined so much by Mazda. Suspension is much tighter, the 3rd gear crunch is gone, torque steer has been lessened, better Nav, just overall a better car.
I tried the ST and it's cool but like the reviewer said you just don't feel the laugh or the same kind of fun in it. The Speed is raw with an "I'm gonna kick your ass" attitude that I love. This is a purchase I can easily live with and will have tons of fun with.
You guys Just helped me make my decision from Focust St/Speed3, I went with speed3 to have more fun, Thanks guys!
Best car review channel on YT.
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Nice review - like what you guys are doing. In Europe people are not bothering to test the Mazda 3 versus the newer hot hatches, as its just pretty much past its sell by date. Instead we get the Vauxhall (Opel) Astra VXR, VW Golf GTi, Renault Megane 265 and BMW M135i, which seem more relevant.
Seemed odd you didn't touch on emissions. Last time I looked at UK spec, the Mazda was heavy on fuel and pretty expensive to run. Also it just looks dated (new model due soon).
Keep up the good work.
Another great comparo guys. I'm really enjoy how you guys describe each car, as I feel like I'm riding along shotgun and experiencing each car, right along side with you.
Oddly, I usually seem to be looking for the stats of the vehicle that's being tested however, that's not what you guys are all about.....I tend to find myself enjoying your show despite not having the stats because with you guys, it's more about how the car feels and I'm really enjoying that.
Thanks for another great video!
Hey paul and todd big fan here of your show here and great job on the review on both . Paul i was picked up the speed 3 from you while back. I like the speed3 .one thing i dislike its the face . I want to drive the ford. Any keep up the awsome job guys .
For me, it's the Speed3. I mean, hell I bought one last year after doing a ton of research in the hot hatch segment (and that included your last video with it). What can I say, I agree with Todd. Also congrats on the first fair, balanced and unbiased review between the two cars. :)
this is probably one of the better comparison videos of the two cars i've seen :DD
How could you not love the MS3 it's the only car I've driven (including the new SLS AMG, the ST, Porsche Cayman, Audi RS5) that made me smile the whole time I drive it and when I got out, for the price and the hot hatch category the Mazdaspeed 3 is perfect!
Once again, a job well done! As for which car I'd pick...Focus ST. Why? Because the Ford's interior and all around package is what I look for in a daily driver, and that's what hot hatches are all about IMHO! Again, great vid ED!
Just got an 08 speed3 and by george you are spot on when you say it's a laugh. This car is silly and I love it!
Lol. I think I would still prefer the ST. But the Mazdaspeed looks great
Jason Peters I think you should let the man decide for himself (which it seems he has)...
I think I would buy the MS3 because of the laughs per mile it gives the driver. The Focus ST is one sexy ride, though! Great review, guys.
I own an original 2007 Cosmic Blue Speed3 that I got in September of 2006. Almost 96,000 miles on it. It's by far, the most fun car I have ever driven. I still think it looks great (better than this newer version) and it has been trouble free. I can't wait for the next generation Speed3 to come out in a year or two. I already have my checkbook ready
Couldn't be happier with my ST.
Love this review. Seems unbiased, thoughtful and honest. Well done guys!
traction control doesnt need "to load like software"... you've completely mistaken the UI design. Each time a notification pops up, it has a set time until it goes away. The progress bar at the bottom is there to let you know how long you've got left to read it, its not "loading" anything... The traction control modes change the split second you press the button.
OG Speed owners represent! 11 years of ownership of one of the all time great sport compacts. Platform cousin Focus ST isn't too shabby either. Discontinued, affordable sport compact dream machines that we'll never see again. Get yours now before they're unattainable.
Very decent review and agree on the conclusions, the MPS 3 (UK) is completely bonkers and equally entertaining, the Focus ST is refined, comfortable fast and a little dull (relatively, these are still fun cars).
I couldn't live with the Mazda as a daily driver, it's just a bit too eager to pull you into the nearest hedgerow when you're storming down a country lane. The Focus ST is great, but it now has one massive downfall... The Fiesta ST.
The Fiesta has all of the great features of the Focus (yes it's slightly down on power, but it weighs a lot less so is pretty competitive in the real world) and yet it has a much more entertaining attitude. It's not as refined as a Focus ST or Golf GTI, but it's a lot more entertaining, always wanting you to nail it from A to B down a country road.
Would love to see a comparison between all of the hot hatches, including the smaller ones like the Abarth, Fiesta and S1 to see how they all compete. Personally, I think the smaller cars are more fun with less compromises these days than initially expected.
And yes, I voted with my wallet and bought a '14 Fiesta ST-2 in Spirit Blue :)
Some great thoughts here, thanks for sharing! You'd probably enjoy our most recent comparison Fiat 500 Abarth and the Fiesta ST.
Here's part 1 : th-cam.com/video/EY6TYmdLrcc/w-d-xo.html
We'd welcome your thoughts and are thrilled to hear you like your Fiesta!
EverydayDriver Thanks for the link, have previously watched the Abarth 500 vs Fiesta ST videos, great comparison. The Abarth is a little firecracker and I was quite tempted by it, but the all-round capabilities of the Fiesta shone through as a daily driver.
Whilst watching this video (Focus ST) I seriously considered what it is that people want from a hot hatch, with the only criticisms of the Focus ST being that it's a bit soft and slightly dull. Both of these minor drawbacks to the hot hatch enthusiast are completely resolved in the Fiesta, with very little compromises...
So, do you think that the smaller hatchbacks have the capabilities to mix it with the 'big boys' these days?
I've not seen anyone properly compare the more compact hot hatches against their bigger counterparts... Personally I think the results might surprise the majority. These new mini hot hatches are as quick or quicker than the mk5 GTI and not much smaller. Leaves me wondering do you need any more speed in the real world of every day driving where hot hatches excel?
WinterIsComing2011 the fiesta is too small
Another great series, guys. My favorite hot hatch is a "hatchback" not a "wagon hatch" like these ones, the Toyota Celica, particularly the All-trac variants.
This is the best video I have seen for these two cars. I love the engine noise from st, and I crap myself when I see the st behind me cuz I know it's better on a track. But my 3mps always make me happy when I drive home :D
great video, you guys definitely make some of my favorite reviews!
I like the fact that Paul gave a try to see whats Mazdaspeed all about and changing his view on it. I like how you guys do review on all cars, professional yet funny and interesting to watch. I drove both cars and both of them are great, but Im more into speed and tq like most of the people who wants to go fast, although I love the interior in the focus, those seats, dash, gauges are sweet, but... Like the guy said "Mazda puts smile on your face" thats what this all about :)
Hey guys, I think you should make the music a little softer when you bring it in under the talking. it makes it hard to understand you.
Great video in general
This video has a much more better, subjective review of the cars, this really helps in deciding which of the two cars a driver might want... as for me, I'm going for the MazdaSpeed 3, as mentioned, I just wanna have a laugh... I really appreciate the review, a BIG thanks!
Terrific review, I really love the sound of what the speed is like, its agresive, it wants to throw you across the road, it doesn't care how linearly it makes power, or how much it spins it wheels, its juvenile and that's why I LOVE them
Looks like The Old Road between Santa Clarita and the San Fernando Valley in some shots.
I really like this channel. Keep up the great work!