% deserved each year (Messi - Others) : 2009 : 80-20 (Xavi could bc he is in his prime, 4 assists vs Real in the 6-2, assists record, assist to Messi in finals but Messi has more great moments, and his solo goals are phenomenal) 2010 : 51-49, Messi clearly has shown the highest level this year, he is even better than his 2009 version, but, if we take into consideration the world cup, it can be Xavi, because Iniesta was not really good this year and Sneijder was not the best player. But, Xavi was better in 2009. It's really subjective in this case. 2011 : 100-0, no debate 2012 : 60-40, the real issue is that each year, we see a better Messi. How can he lose the ballon d'or if he is clearly the best ? It will be ridiculous if he won the 3 last BO but lose it in his prime. Yes, he score a lot (50 in a season league, 91 goals in a year, G/A all-time record) but he is also a complete player, a lot of persons say that he is even better than Messi 2011. But, he also has some chokes (especially against Chelsea). In 2012, Iniesta could win, he was so good, especially during Euro 2012, he was clearly the best and Ronaldo is in his prime, he won the Liga with absurd stats, however, i still think that Messi was better and moreover, he also missed a crucial penalty in UCL and he lost the Euro 2012, whereas Messi had no international competition. 2015 : 95-5, not much to say, Ronaldo had better stats and Neymar was maybe the best in Autumn 2015, but overall, Messi was really more mature this season by becoming the best playmaker in the world (he is still able to score solo goals this season !). 2019 : 50-50, it's really hard for this one. Van Dijk has no flaws, he won the UCL, changed the Liverpool team, had some great actions, and stats (for example, a lot of forwards fail their dribbles against him). Messi 2019 is one of his best versions, he is really consistent, has memorable goals (Seville and Betis), carry his team (a really bad Barca) for La Liga and the UCL (home matches against OL, Man United, Liverpool). But, if we look at international tournament, it's hard to say that Messi can win the BO, because, it's his worst version in an international tournament, he was not good and he even obtained a red card. For Van Dijk, he lost against Portugal in Nation League final. If he won this match, it would be 30-70, but in this situation, both deserved. 2021 : 65-35, Jorginho is out because he was neither the best player of Chelsea, nor of the Italy team. Lewandowski was better in 2020, and didn't have remarkable moments, except the new record of goals scored in a Bundesliga season (41). Messi was the best player of Copa America by far, and has the most goals and assists of the tournament. He was also a beast during this season even though the first half, he was just ok. The 2020-2021 Messi version is really underrated, he was probably the best player this season (maybe with Benzema and Mbappe) and his Copa del Rey was outstanding (i still remember his performance in CDR final, especially the third goal). So, he was not good during all the year, but others had few arguments against, so basically, he deserved this year. 2023 : 49-51, Messi was probably the best player in the first part of the season, but in the second part, not, even if he was still pretty good. And yes, he is obviously the best in the World Cup, he had so many moments and it was his ultimate goal. Now, if we look at Haaland, 5 goals in one match (in the final phase of UCL wow), goal against Bayern, he broke every goal record this season with Man City, and he won the treble, including the first UCL of Man City history. We know that Man City needed a pure 9 to win the UCL, and like Van Dijk, Haaland was the last piece of this superteam, he really changed this team. We all know that the pair De Bruyne-Haaland was a cheat code. His only issue is the lack of goals at the end of the 2022-2023 season : no goal in the FA Cup final, in the UCL semi final and final. But, still, he was probably the best this season if we look at the first and the second part of this season. Even if Messi deserved more than Haaland, then, in 2010, it should be Xavi. The real issue is that criterias change, for example, sometimes we have to look at the season, but the other times, the entirely year (so the second part of the first season, and the first of the second season). Finally, i would say that yes, he deserved all of them, we can't really say that there is a robbery, it's just ridiculous, but whatever.
Fantastic breakdown. I am pinning this. Agreed re; Messi getting better each year so it makes sense to give it to him again in 2012. Also agree with the Neymar 2015 take. Messi I’m 2022/23 was underrated. Combined well with Mbappé & stood out more than Neymar & Mbappé at times. Galtier gave him more freedom than Poch
@@kuusakat1308I mean you can't say he wasn't the dude when he got the ball always scored like yk he was the best ngl but Messi was still better that year the assists world cup copa america i mean you can't say no to giving him the ballon d'or
This is my take 2009: 70-30 in Messi's favour, over Xavi 2010: 85-15 in Messi's favour, over Xavi/Sneijder 2011: 100-0 2012: 100-0 2015: 90-10 in Messi's favour over Neymar 2019: 90-10 over Van Dijk 2021: 50-50 2023: 55-45 over Haaland
True, I have always said anybody who knows football always knew Messi was the best of this era for sure and arguably the greatest of all time. They just try to act blind because of their interest and biasness. And I have said arguably above even after every stat, achievements, records say Messi is by far the best and that too by a huge huge margin BECAUSE I personally think comparing eras isn't that fair. So I just like to say nobody knows. But if someone says Messi is then nobody can factually deny that. Messi has left nothing on which someone cna criticize him.
I was depressed for years but always watching messi brought me joy and when he won the world cup my depression just disappeared the man is just pure joy 😊
@@kaustabhchakraborty4721 Ronaldo robbed your mind tho pretending to be someone he isn’t but hey he still gave us goat moments, Sean faris is cristiano Ronaldo
ronaldo fan boys?? cr7 has won balon dor & ucl at 2 different clubs. & hes more complete as a player. if anyone thinks messi is a greater player than messi futebol is not for u, sorry!!
@@rodney1199ronaldo litterly won a bdor and ucl even before joining real madrid and the fact that nobody has won a b'dor in the premier league since him show you how hard it is 😅
In 2023 , I personally think that he was also amazing at club level , he had the most chances created , most assists , he also scored 4 in the champions league and was the only player who showed up against Bayern Munich in the champions league , he was the reason that mbappe was competing for the golden boot , messi was also mainly a midfielder for psg , which made it even more impressive for him to score 30+ goals , he was also the best dribbler that season despite his age , he had the most goal contributions too , haaland was close but never showed up in a important game , Messi scoreda free kick which resulted psg winning the league , Messi also had the most goals in finals , semi finals and quarter finals
He had a good 2022/23. Linked up well with Mbappé. And of course was phenomenal at the World Cup. But re; Mbappe’s goals. Mbappé scores everywhere he goes
@@OnTh3Ball but that season he missed the most chances , while Messi created the most chances in ligue 1 , of course mbappé will score everywhere he goes to because that is what you expect from a world class attacker and a player , but Messi's club performance in 22 is often overlooked because of his great performance in the world cup and people think that the world was the alone reason of him winning the ballon dor
League prestige matters as well, so regardless of him winning Ligue 1, it isn’t valued nearly as much as the Prem. I don’t have an issue with Messi winning the 2023 Ballon D’or if he were to have lost the 2010 Ballon D’or as Iniesta won everything he did that year, alongside winning the Euros. I don’t think he should’ve won the 2023 Ballon D’or though, as the voting period was before the WC Final, therefore it shouldn’t have been considered anyways.
@@jaygotgame1731 ballon dor is mainly based on your individual performances , in 2010 , Iniesta won everything but he wasn't even the best player for Spain that world cup for his national team and he was also not the best player for Barcelona, while Messi in 23 was the best player in the world cup and had the 2 most goals for psg and the most assists for psg while also having the most assists in top 5 leagues , Messi also topped every single stat except the goals
Maradona. Sorry kid,,bhe can never be Maradona. It needed the easiest of WC,softpen half dozen pens ,soft ones to win a WC. He is not Maradona level. Also club level post prime Barca they didn't win anything. Maradona is 3 times better
@@srtviper333 Zidane🤣🤣🤣. Zidane is not half Maradona. The only reason Zizu is among greats is few big game. Maradona was way superior in big games and way more consistent had 2 times or more impact. Not even close
@@OnTh3Ball Lewa, but just edged over Messi, I believe Messi's struggle with PSG that season gets too much overlooked. He had the numbers and a Copa trophy but didn't enjoy much success otherwise
Messi deserved it more. The reason is what he did at the Copa America. Best Player of the tournament, joint top scorer with 4 Goals, Top Assister with 5 assists, only Player ever to win the tournament being the best Player, top scorer and assister. Lewa scored 2 goals at the Euros but got out in the Group stage. If in that year there would not been the Euro or Copa America, then I would say Lewa deserved it.
I agree only 2021 was controversy both. It was completely a stalemate for me because even if Leva won it would have been much more controversy than today's.
I remember watching every single one of those seasons and there wasn’t a question about who deserved the ballon d’or everyone knew Messi was going to win it there was no question about it, Messi was the best player. Coincidentally the “controversies” began to surge in 2019 when he won his 6th ballon d’or and surpassed Ronaldo and so a certain fanbase was not happy about the fact that their idol had been surpassed and so they began to discredit everything Messi had won and would win. But from 09-12 there was no doubt from anyone that Messi deserved them, he was the best player and had no competition, despite not winning some important silverware during that time.
09- Xavi and 10- Sniedger was best option. The joke is Milito ranking..not top 10..was best among Inter who won treble. And reason??? No WC performance...and Messi a failure in WC won it. 😂😂😂
@@tjmapena2862 Kid you have any idea how balon d or is voted?? Its journalist and captains,, journalist are just popularity voters,, captains top 3 is usually some star players and one from team/ country. There is not even a proper analysing commitee. Overrated award. For lack of WC performance, Milito hot top 10,,but when it comes to Messi 😂😂😂..he won. What a joke. Same to Griezman in 22. Outstanding WC player but not top 15 with la liga player of season 🤣🤣🤣🤣😇. Messi with WC only won award 🤣🤣. What joke...
No need to justify... those who hate him will forever hate him. Actually he should be winning every year if not for rigged, in favour of other players.
How can he win every year especially 2008 ronaldo 2009 deserved 2010 ineasta should’ve won 2011 deserved 2012 deserved 2013 ribery 2014 ronaldo or neur 2015 Messi deserved 2016 ronaldo 2017 ronaldo deserved 2018 ronaldo deserved not Modric 2019 van dijk should’ve won 2020 not given 2021 Lewa 2022 benze 2023 haaland deserved 2024 bellingham or vini or rodri
@@musaraza5950 how old are you wtf that sentence will literally make a dyslexic person scratch their head in confusion at how someone could be that bad at grammar. Also, did you not watch the video at ALL?
@@andrekoerber7334 for adults he is. Ppl that watched him play before 2020 say that everyone with ball knowledge says that. If you say ronaldo best player ever your knowledge just goes far down
let me explain why messi deserved 2021 and 2023 balondor. he was competing with full strikers while being the teams playmaker and forward both. he had almost same g/a as both but he was not even main forward. international trophies also pushed his season. key passes, chances creations, dribles. lewandowski and haaland had only goals assists and nothing else
Messi and Ronaldo have truly shined the football world i don't see anyone being another Messi Or Ronaldo the ones hating them currently are mostly aren't even in secondary school yet
Messi's ballon d'ors were never rigged... Its just that Ronaldo fanboys never like to see their idol losing to Messi. Messi and Ronaldo are the both the Goat. And Im saying this as a Ronaldo fan.
Of course hed earned and deserved all of them, its just the players with petty fragile egos, who can't admit theyre not the best, who suggest otherwise. If you see the voting statistics, Messi was overwhelmingly voted in as the winner in 2023.
I have always found it strange when people compare Messi with anyone else, even Ronaldo. The meaning of playing football is of course to win and in that aspect I can see that Ronaldo is the closest to Messi. That for me is the only aspect that anyone can come close to Messi, even tho Messi has by far the most impressive trophy cabinet. Is like Ray Hudson said,” it’s not the statistics, it’s the art of football that no one surpasses Messi in. Messi is the greatest Dribbler of all time, the greatest passer of all time, the greatest finisher of all time, the greatest playmaker, the fastest with the ball, one of the most efficient free kick takers of all time, has incredible strength on his feet, and almost never dives.
Messi mastered all elements of football. He was winning ballon d’Or all the times because he was getting better every year You’re right. Messi is magical. Only Pelé & Maradona can speak to him
It’s because they’re basing Messi’s greatness relative to other seasons he has had. Some seasons he was not as good but he was still by far the best player. Meanwhile, we’re comparing players like Lewa and Haaland who, at that point in time, have never been better. So these 2 biases are what’s influencing this. On top of that people feel bad for these players because of this new ceiling they hit. Ballon D’or should be objective, forget about their performance from 2-3 seasons ago. Focus on what they did in the time period relevant to the Ballon D’or and you’ll see that Messi by far was the best.
Facts facts facts. People got used to & bored of Messi’s greatness. A season like 2019 would be most players best ever season by far. For Messi that’s not even top 2. Just shows how incredible he is
Both Ronaldo and Messi were clearly best of this era, but Messi is better. As a Ronaldo fan, I agree that Messi is better after watching this video. I am ashamed of myself for believing in whatever I saw online. Messi and Ronaldo were both the bestest of this era, we'll never get to witness players like them again
This is a philosophical concept , where if there are two concepts close ( people ) they would Always be compared , which would lead to creation of two fanbases who would bring in stats and all and not try to enjoy the game. Ronaldo has something messi does not and messi has something ronaldo does not. So what , they still did more than u will in thousand lifetimes maybe. Embrace the sport and the players and not hate on them . Love both messi and ronaldo for even if they belonged in different teams ( rivals ) they dominated the foootball industry for more than 15 years. They both are the 🐐. And their fanbases who say pendu and pessi and all the things are just good for nothing people between the age of 10-20 . All those who actually watched both their games never compared them and loved to watch them play. Both have different play styles . And no one is touching their stats anytime soon . And messi deserved all ballon dors .
Yeah but 2021 is arguable, lewą scored more than 20 more goals than messi won Bundesliga, dfl supercap, fifa club world cup, was best player in these competitions, but messi Carried Argentyna to world cup, i think if not popularity it world be hard to decide but yeah messi is goat so he winned it
Congrats for this oda of Messi career. I could not satyt better. MEssi deserve and earn everything. Those that question his reign were in love with Ronaldo face or abs. There will never be a player close to Messi. He is the God of fottball. No question no debate. never was. He complet football at the highest level beating every football star that clame are better. Those names. My god. It will never be a football player better than the ones he surpass. Maradona, Pele, Ronaldino, Zidane, Ronaldo Nazario, Neymar, Levandowski and Mbapee. And than is CR7 that he humiliated so manny times in direct confromtation. He was good but not good enough. Lets not forget that Messi in his prime got over 130 crossbar. it was just pure unluck he dont have over 1000 goals righ now with 100 less games than Ronaldo and over 30 penalitys giving to teamates even in hat trick situation. At one point Messi score so manny goals that it was not fun anymore for him and start only help his teamates. First he recreate a perfect Maradona goal passing 9 defenders, than help Suarez beat CR7 in golden shoes, he wanted to help NEymar to win Balon dor. He did what he wanted in footaball and have a lot of fun doing so. He enjoy footabll and footaball world enjoy him. I know everything about Messi. There is no video or info i did not read or see. No goal and no match that i missed. I am verry greatfull that ive seen tha best footabll player in history live in HD. And that is not all. Messi won the most important trophie in sport twice and he will win super Baln dor. So cr7 fans. Stop liying youreself and say it now or you will sayt later. Messi is the Goat. No question no debate. Thank you Lionel Messi for the magic and for youre game!
MESSI ROBBED 8 BALLON D'OR should have been 10 infact! He's the best armed robber on the planet, robbed all ballon d'or whilst others were hoping to get out of his era alive. He killed them all!
@@OnTh3Ball not really other than iniestas World Cup campaign busquets would’ve been top 3.. Messi did it without international performances and was insane the whole season
Messi would have won 2014 ballon d'or if he would have won world cup and 2016 as well if he wins copa America, and Messi is the most deserved but they robbed Messi
Bro i think Both are GOATS. I am a very old football watcher and i think they re so good that it feels that they rob. I guess Ronaldo deserved 2018 ballon dor. What i saw Ronaldo's brilliance was so what equal to him. People say He has Wc and he hasn't but what reality is that they never saw that side of football. AND I AM A RONALDO FAN❤❤
Messi was supposed to have a different award, and him and CR7 are supposed to have an award just for their rivalry in Spain that was the best era of football of all times..Messi deserve all his awards but football hasn't done well it should have made new awards so we could see how well others where doing instead of comparing them to Messi
Bro in 2010 sneijder had more g+a in champions league , he was better in wc he went to the final and was in the g+a podium , he was instrumental in the serie a because he was always the heart of the midfield in attack
That’s true, he had an elite season. If he won the World Cup POTT he would’ve won Ballon d’Or vi the same way Modric did. Him not being Inters best player didn’t help him
if it were to be awarded solely on stats and numbers and individual performances, messi would win the best player of the year in 2009/10/11/12/15/16/17/18/19/21 and the season 22/23. that's a total of 11 mvps in 15 years/seasons. ronaldo or anyone can have more g/a than messi by 4 or 5 in an year but they can't top the midfielding and playmaking stats while topping the g/a stats.
@@OnTh3Ball as it should be trophies can't dictate awards that are to be given to individuals, also he would win it in 2021 and 22/23 season because they made the format to accodmodate wc which is logical. after that he left europe, so obviously there's no winning it anymoree.
2010 in later years we say was undeserved because of iniesta and xavi but the the number he put up this season was almost never seen earlier and here weighted more then the World Cup while in 2023 those numbers Haaland put up was impressive but nothing insane because we seen Messi and Ronaldo put up better numbers consistently for years and years so the World Cup weighted more here that is the reason and I don’t understand how ppl think that is was rigged
Great point, back then someone who doesn’t play as a #9 scoring 40+ goals was unheard of outside of Pelé. Plus it’s easier to score more goals nowadays than before
@@Goals4everyone in Euro he didn't do anything, he got injured in the final. Ucl. Refere helped them with 10+mistakes in 2games. In 2013 Messi should win, becose Cristiano win 0 trophies, and Messi scored Just 15 goals less, and he was injured for 2months
Great video. Just a few notes from my perspective: 1) I don't defend the ballon d'or even as much as I love Messi because its highly inconsistent. 2) If the ballon d'or simply consistently did what it was built for then Messi would have at least 10 ballon d'ors......could easily be 11. And I'm not just giving a random number. I can list the years wherein absolutely no one was more outstanding. 3) The irony of haters who criticise his ballon d'or wins is that a. They hold him to standards they don't hold anyone to including their idols. b. They use a silly ballon d'or invented condition like not having won a specific trophy or scored a certain amount of goals to say he robbed an individual award that should be given to the best performing player and at the same time they opt for someone else as the best for presence of those conditions😂 So for me Messi didn't deserve only 1 of his ballon d'ors which is the last one 2023 but he deserved 3 or 4 more that he was never given at least based on my criteria of being the best performing player. Rodri btw deserved the 2023 bdor imo ahead of Messi not Haaland(I think Messi deserved it over Haaland).
The only 2 Ballon d'Or that I don't agree that Messi deserved was in 2017 and 2018, and it wasn't because he wasn't good in that years, is because of his competition in that 2 years.
And 2020 wasn't a good season for him. I'm saying this as a Messi fan that's litterally Argentinian, si no me crees acá te hablo un poco en español y Messi es el GOAT
Ok, I think he deserved 2009,2010,2011,2012,2015,and 2019 In 2010 although no World Cup or UCL, he still pulled up stats we would see for the next 10 year In 2019 he single-handedly carried Barca to a UCL Semi and Copa Del Rey Final 2021 and 2023 can be debated but he deserves at least 6
2019 I agree with you so much. He was doing ridiculous things that year 2021 & 2023 he wasn’t the best player in the world. It is more due to his tournaments
I agree on the 2010 one, Sneijder deserved it more. He was a key player in the Inter Milan treble and the Main player that took Holland the The World Cup final
The biggest reason why Haaland didn't win in 2023 is because his nation didn't even qualify for the WC. That's not entirely his fault, but it is a big loss. It's like you're directly out of the race by not playing in the biggest competition in World. Haaland dominated league, UCL and didn't play in the WC. Messi dominated league, WC and played in the UCL. And WC>UCL obviously. So it's clear who the winner is, unless you see football as only goals. That's why there's a seperate award called golden boot which he won. Also haaland won Uefa poty! So it's very fair imo.
In 2013 a trophyless Ronaldo beat Ribbery and Messi for the Ballon d'Or. Ribbery was a treble winner , best player in Bundesliga , best UEFA player. Messi won La liga and Spanish Super Cup. Ronaldo had 0 trophies and wasn't even La liga Best Player (it was Messi) and somehow he won the Ballon d'Or. In 2022 Messi won Ligue 1 , French Super Cup , World Cup while being the Best Player of the competition (WC Golden Ball winner). They claim that Messi robbed a treble winner Haaland but the Ballon d'Or of 2013 was deserved for their idol , this how embarrassing they are.
@@drazaraza3895 Exactly. But even if we go by their logic of goals. We should also consider goals+assists. And for the 2022 ballon d'or, the rule was changed based on season not calendar year. So according to 2022/2023 season, Messi had more G+A than Haaland, even though Haaland had more goals. They just overhyped Haaland for breaking the premier league goal record, but in fact if we consider the overall season even Mbappe came very close to Haaland. He scored 55, Haaland scored 56. Since it was also a season of international competitions, Haaland suffered by not playing for Norway, that's why he couldn't go beyond 60 goals. Even in the qualifiers Haaland didn't score any significant goal for Norway! And in UCL knockout later stages he disappeared. All these makes Messi clear favourite, but Ronaldo PR made it look closer than it was actually.
@@OnTh3Ball I’m talking about messi vs modric goal and assists count I’m not saying 2018 was robbed as a barca fan modric truely deserve that year It was just a simple counter if modric can get it rodri also deserve it but in compare to vini he deserve it more but that doesn’t change rodri performance
@@captainfalconmain6576 well that has affected many previous ballondor winners so just deal with it, people hold international trophies to a higher level,sorry if you failed to realise that
messi is a legendary player of course but cr7 tenure at real madrid is unmatched. prime cr7 put in a better performances on the world stage than messi too.
@@dominiccedits Ronaldo got carried to a EURO title. NOT MY GOAT crying at the World Cup nonstop. Got rattled by a little Moroccan girl. He needs to retire and become a podcast jigga
If the Ballon D'or was given to the best player based on the way the players play instead of what they achieved, Messi would have won a lot in a row, maybe he would have compited with Neymar and early Cristiano Ronaldo.
2010 Iniesta tbh (he’s WC performance was out of this world and had the same titles of Messi club wise), 2021 look at the stats of lewandoski and 2023 he did nothing except shooting penalty’s in the World Cup. I agree that the other 5 are deserved, but those three in specific shouldn’t be in his posesion
Xavi had a better World Cup & 2010 overall as Iniesta had many injury problems Lewandowski was KO out of Europe early & Messi was the best World Cup player in the knockout stages. Him & Mbappé were probably level throughout the World Cup tho
Just love the part where the whole video really triggered most Ronaldo fanboys to said something so stupid but personally 6 ballon dor are well deserved for him.
The only time I felt like it was kind of robbed was 2019. Van Dijk was in his prime that season, but because defenders don't really score. So Messi deserved it 51-49 (Messi-Van Dijk).
People like to argue Messi's season wasn't good in 22/23, but I call bull on that, how can you say that 63 Goal contributions is a bad season? With 38 goals and 25 assists, any player at all would be jealous to have numbers like that, the only reason Messi wasn't the top scorer was because Mbappé was the focus and not him, Haaland had 52 goals and 9 assists and just 6 goals as his goal contributions in European qualifiers which is the ONLY REASON his goal contributions were just 4 above Messi, while Man City was a machine made to feed Haaland goals, the Ballon D'or isn't just a numbers award, if it were, Ronaldo, Messi, Suarez, Lewandowski, and now Haaland would've been the only ones who won the award by now, Haaland is a machine who's finishing knows no bounds, but to say he could do the same with Norway is just delusional, there's little excuse when Ibrahimovic and Gareth Bale took their countries forward to the top while being the main man in their squads and strikers/wingers, of course, Messi's side was star-studded for the 2022 World Cup, but that's also why his performance is just that much more impressive, he was the cog that made the Albiceleste work and there wasn't often a single play that wouldn't go through him and to the goal, he was always involved, and his performance shows results both statistically and visually, I had no quarrels with Haaland winning it, but to say Haaland was the only one who deserved it is delusional as the award would go more to Man City rather than him, while Messi won the award for his individuality and his achievements that HE was THE pivotal part of
He had a good 22/23. Linked up well with Mbappé. Started the season well. PSG were good before the World Cup. Plus the World Cup is the biggest stage and he was POTT so it was fair
Once Messi pulled away from everyone else in History in terms of Balandor a certain losers online started trying to discredit the biggest individual Award in Football
Messi should won more than 8, atleast 10. Even 2014, 2016 and 2018 should have been won by him. Trophies are not the criteria, he is the most complete in stats
if that's one of the criteria that made lionel messi win the ballon dor in one of the seasons despite underforming with his coutnry, then surely vinicius junior should have won it ahead of rodri .
I totally agree that Messi deserved all his ballon d'Ors but you basicaly narrated his whole carreer rather than really showing why he was better than everybody else. If you're gonna say he deserved all Ballon d'Ors, the minimum you should be doing would be comparing his season with the player most people (who don't agree) say that should have won.
every professional knows Messi 🐐 deserved all of them. it's just cristiano fans who say that because they're jealous that Messi 🐐 is far better than cristiano.
Considering that he is/was the best player of his generation, and if the ballon d'or is given to the best player in the world, then Messi being the absolute best should have 16-17 ballon, maybe more. So yes, the ballon d'or is rigged, against Messi if anything.
Most of the normal healthy players can be like Ronaldo but they lack the ambition, determination, hard work and commitment to be like Ronaldo. But no players can be like Messi till now because Messi was born with this magic.
I'm not telling Messi didn't deserved, but giving only two men 13 Ballon D'or is outrageous...... atleast given them 1 or 2 and then give the others to NextGen.....
@@OnTh3Ball They could have just done the cerimony on zoom lol. But on all seriousness, it could have been simply been given to Lewa but with no cerimony, done.
In 2010 you mentioned sneidjer but didnt mention Iniesta who was a part of Messi's team and scored the goal in the world cup to win his country their first ever world cup.
@OnTh3Ball I remember, there was outrage also because the top 3 was Messi, Iniesta and Xavi and Sneidjer wasn't even a finalist. Was a great video btw. I always felt like Iniesta deserved it that year especially given the significance of the world cup run.
One thing that id change is that yes, the stats are impressive, but in my opinion, you whould compare him more to his competitors. Also almost half the video is just the first ballon d'or which leaves little room to make a good case for the other ones. Some of his wins are undisputed but some not so much and itd be better if youd compared them to at least the 2nd and 3rd ranked players. I do not agree that all of his ballon d'Ors are clear cut, especially the 2010 one in which both Xavi and Iniesta won the world cup, the 2019 season in which van Dijk was unbelievable (this comes from an Arsenal supporter), 2022 in which Lewandowski was better in my opinion and 2023 in which yes, he did win the world cup, but if he deserved the 2010 one in which his teammates who won the same silverware + the world cup and didnt win it, i dont see how that compares to Haaland winning the treble and being the main man in city. Messi also didnt win almost anything at star studded psg and lets be honest, prem is far more competetive now then the french league today or the laliga. Was he one of the best for multiple years? Yes. But did he deserve them all truly? We cant change it now, and all we can do is disagree. Some ballon d'Ors have a clear winner, but others not so much. Also, some of the facts you focus on in the video are indeed impressive, but in the end they dont matter. For example, Haaland scored the same amount or more goals in his first season at city than 3 teams and was 2 short of another 3. This stat ic completely unrelevant, what isnt is that he broke the record. I think you make some good points in the video but like i said earlier, almost half of the video is just one season and thus theres little information about the other seasons. Also you could focus more on the more unclear wins and vouch why they were/werent deserved (your opinion) instead of spliting time equally even on the clear wins.
You make some good points. I agree that if he won 2023, then Xavi probably should have won 2010. & I could have mentioned the other candidates in more detail like Milito, Van Dijk & Lewandowski etc. but I do believe people are getting bored of Messi’s success & just want to see someone else win for the sake of it
The only debatable one is 2021, tbh but even he won copa America, but poland couldn't make it past the group stages ineuro 2020 sorry for my bad English btw
1. You're prolly 12 y/o using eleven labs because if you sounded like a baby people wouldn't take you seriously 2.Lionel Messi didn't deserve all his balons. 2010 it was Iniesta/Xavi but they didn't cuz some people voted for iniesta and some for xavi and lastly 2019 For Van Dijk and I don't even need to explain why. Rest were obvious except we can argue about 2023 but Winning world cup at 35 while being best player of the whole tournament is mad work. I'm not a Messi/Ronaldo fanboy. I'm just a football fan
% deserved each year (Messi - Others) :
2009 : 80-20 (Xavi could bc he is in his prime, 4 assists vs Real in the 6-2, assists record, assist to Messi in finals but Messi has more great moments, and his solo goals are phenomenal)
2010 : 51-49, Messi clearly has shown the highest level this year, he is even better than his 2009 version, but, if we take into consideration the world cup, it can be Xavi, because Iniesta was not really good this year and Sneijder was not the best player. But, Xavi was better in 2009. It's really subjective in this case.
2011 : 100-0, no debate
2012 : 60-40, the real issue is that each year, we see a better Messi. How can he lose the ballon d'or if he is clearly the best ? It will be ridiculous if he won the 3 last BO but lose it in his prime. Yes, he score a lot (50 in a season league, 91 goals in a year, G/A all-time record) but he is also a complete player, a lot of persons say that he is even better than Messi 2011. But, he also has some chokes (especially against Chelsea). In 2012, Iniesta could win, he was so good, especially during Euro 2012, he was clearly the best and Ronaldo is in his prime, he won the Liga with absurd stats, however, i still think that Messi was better and moreover, he also missed a crucial penalty in UCL and he lost the Euro 2012, whereas Messi had no international competition.
2015 : 95-5, not much to say, Ronaldo had better stats and Neymar was maybe the best in Autumn 2015, but overall, Messi was really more mature this season by becoming the best playmaker in the world (he is still able to score solo goals this season !).
2019 : 50-50, it's really hard for this one. Van Dijk has no flaws, he won the UCL, changed the Liverpool team, had some great actions, and stats (for example, a lot of forwards fail their dribbles against him). Messi 2019 is one of his best versions, he is really consistent, has memorable goals (Seville and Betis), carry his team (a really bad Barca) for La Liga and the UCL (home matches against OL, Man United, Liverpool). But, if we look at international tournament, it's hard to say that Messi can win the BO, because, it's his worst version in an international tournament, he was not good and he even obtained a red card. For Van Dijk, he lost against Portugal in Nation League final. If he won this match, it would be 30-70, but in this situation, both deserved.
2021 : 65-35, Jorginho is out because he was neither the best player of Chelsea, nor of the Italy team. Lewandowski was better in 2020, and didn't have remarkable moments, except the new record of goals scored in a Bundesliga season (41). Messi was the best player of Copa America by far, and has the most goals and assists of the tournament. He was also a beast during this season even though the first half, he was just ok. The 2020-2021 Messi version is really underrated, he was probably the best player this season (maybe with Benzema and Mbappe) and his Copa del Rey was outstanding (i still remember his performance in CDR final, especially the third goal). So, he was not good during all the year, but others had few arguments against, so basically, he deserved this year.
2023 : 49-51, Messi was probably the best player in the first part of the season, but in the second part, not, even if he was still pretty good. And yes, he is obviously the best in the World Cup, he had so many moments and it was his ultimate goal. Now, if we look at Haaland, 5 goals in one match (in the final phase of UCL wow), goal against Bayern, he broke every goal record this season with Man City, and he won the treble, including the first UCL of Man City history. We know that Man City needed a pure 9 to win the UCL, and like Van Dijk, Haaland was the last piece of this superteam, he really changed this team. We all know that the pair De Bruyne-Haaland was a cheat code. His only issue is the lack of goals at the end of the 2022-2023 season : no goal in the FA Cup final, in the UCL semi final and final. But, still, he was probably the best this season if we look at the first and the second part of this season. Even if Messi deserved more than Haaland, then, in 2010, it should be Xavi.
The real issue is that criterias change, for example, sometimes we have to look at the season, but the other times, the entirely year (so the second part of the first season, and the first of the second season).
Finally, i would say that yes, he deserved all of them, we can't really say that there is a robbery, it's just ridiculous, but whatever.
Fantastic breakdown. I am pinning this. Agreed re; Messi getting better each year so it makes sense to give it to him again in 2012. Also agree with the Neymar 2015 take.
Messi I’m 2022/23 was underrated. Combined well with Mbappé & stood out more than Neymar & Mbappé at times. Galtier gave him more freedom than Poch
Even if Messi didn't deserve 2023, neither did Haaland. He wasn't even the best player in his own team.
@@kuusakat1308I mean you can't say he wasn't the dude when he got the ball always scored like yk he was the best ngl but Messi was still better that year the assists world cup copa america i mean you can't say no to giving him the ballon d'or
How much time it took you to write this comment
This is my take
2009: 70-30 in Messi's favour, over Xavi
2010: 85-15 in Messi's favour, over Xavi/Sneijder
2011: 100-0
2012: 100-0
2015: 90-10 in Messi's favour over Neymar
2019: 90-10 over Van Dijk
2021: 50-50
2023: 55-45 over Haaland
Well Messi himself never bothered by those certain fanbase and their idol ,bro just enjoying his life with the family
Facts, bet he hardly watches his stats
But his fan base does
@@ANIK-qk9mz oh yeah?,and would that make Messi bother?
@@ANIK-qk9mzthey wil❤
RONALDO: "WIN WIN WIN, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, I WIN, I WIN"
MESSI : "la familia, la beer, la barcelona"
Guardiola said it best, balloon d'or need to be seperated into 2 category, 1 is for messi and the 2nd is for the rest.
Ronaldo did deserve some tbf
Then its clearly shows that how much corrupted everyone is
@@ANIK-qk9mz why crying bcz ur goat has less
@@ANIK-qk9mzcorrupt? Your penaldo won a ballon d or while being throphyless for club and country😂
@@power279Messi did win the ballon dor trophyless in 2012
GOAT title given by pro Madrid MARCA.
Facts, even they know it
True, I have always said anybody who knows football always knew Messi was the best of this era for sure and arguably the greatest of all time. They just try to act blind because of their interest and biasness.
And I have said arguably above even after every stat, achievements, records say Messi is by far the best and that too by a huge huge margin BECAUSE I personally think comparing eras isn't that fair. So I just like to say nobody knows. But if someone says Messi is then nobody can factually deny that. Messi has left nothing on which someone cna criticize him.
Messi is made for fotball
No it's not madrid marca it's marca Americans award not Europe
@@immortal6943 Marca is a sport company founded at Spain 0 football knowlaged
I was depressed for years but always watching messi brought me joy and when he won the world cup my depression just disappeared the man is just pure joy 😊
He is art 🖼️. The greatest we’ve seen
Im going to watch him today
That can't stop depression,you are obviously just trying to say something
See just as the Special One said, if Messi or Ronaldo win the Ballondo'r its never robbed.
fifa rigged thr bdor for ronaldo in 2013. sure
@@kaustabhchakraborty4721 Ronaldo robbed your mind tho pretending to be someone he isn’t but hey he still gave us goat moments, Sean faris is cristiano Ronaldo
@@jhanschannel4390stfu dumbass, so messi never stole any of the awards but cr7 did?
@@jhanschannel4390ronaldo scored 69 goals 2013, his highest ever in one season and one of the highest ever in football history, still robbed? lmao
?@@looneytoongoon3094As a messi fan i say that ronaldo 2013 ballon dor was deserved.
Ronaldo fanboys ain't going to like this one. Messi never cheated a single Ballon d'Or
Messi is so good, his greatness became boring for many who wanted to see others win
ronaldo fan boys?? cr7 has won balon dor & ucl at 2 different clubs.
& hes more complete as a player. if anyone thinks messi is a greater player than messi futebol is not for u, sorry!!
@@dominiccedits Ronaldo got carried to a EURO title
@@dominiccedits Real Madrid carried him too. Overrated player. Even Neymar is better than Ronaldo
@@rodney1199ronaldo litterly won a bdor and ucl even before joining real madrid
and the fact that nobody has won a b'dor in the premier league since him show you how hard it is 😅
Everyone knows this fact. They just can't understand how can one man achieve all this. And people don't like what they don't understand.
Facts, they love to hate greatness
Messi is trash
@@naysea8027your trash
@@naysea8027 who allowed you to say that
@@LorexDaGoat fr
I just don't understand a dude scoring 91 goals in a year and providing like 40ish assists should not deserve ballondor is plain absurd
Exactly, he carried Barça that year. These stats won’t be seen in a very long time
@OnTh3Ball I don't think anyone can get even mildly close
In 2023 , I personally think that he was also amazing at club level , he had the most chances created , most assists , he also scored 4 in the champions league and was the only player who showed up against Bayern Munich in the champions league , he was the reason that mbappe was competing for the golden boot , messi was also mainly a midfielder for psg , which made it even more impressive for him to score 30+ goals , he was also the best dribbler that season despite his age , he had the most goal contributions too , haaland was close but never showed up in a important game , Messi scoreda free kick which resulted psg winning the league , Messi also had the most goals in finals , semi finals and quarter finals
He had a good 2022/23. Linked up well with Mbappé. And of course was phenomenal at the World Cup. But re; Mbappe’s goals. Mbappé scores everywhere he goes
@@OnTh3Ball but that season he missed the most chances , while Messi created the most chances in ligue 1 , of course mbappé will score everywhere he goes to because that is what you expect from a world class attacker and a player , but Messi's club performance in 22 is often overlooked because of his great performance in the world cup and people think that the world was the alone reason of him winning the ballon dor
League prestige matters as well, so regardless of him winning Ligue 1, it isn’t valued nearly as much as the Prem. I don’t have an issue with Messi winning the 2023 Ballon D’or if he were to have lost the 2010 Ballon D’or as Iniesta won everything he did that year, alongside winning the Euros. I don’t think he should’ve won the 2023 Ballon D’or though, as the voting period was before the WC Final, therefore it shouldn’t have been considered anyways.
@@jaygotgame1731Iniesta was injured almost half that year, how do you expect him to win Ballon Dor after that???
@@jaygotgame1731 ballon dor is mainly based on your individual performances , in 2010 , Iniesta won everything but he wasn't even the best player for Spain that world cup for his national team and he was also not the best player for Barcelona, while Messi in 23 was the best player in the world cup and had the 2 most goals for psg and the most assists for psg while also having the most assists in top 5 leagues , Messi also topped every single stat except the goals
The best player I have seen as an adult.
Agreed. The undisputed GOAT
Mbappe is better
@@rodney1199 maybe now. Not Barcelona Messi days. 6 goals in 2 matches recently, pretty sure he’s the best still.
@@rodney1199 I’ve heard of Ronaldo
@@Pablo-e5q true.messi better than Maradona?
He deserved all the Baloon de Or, he plays better than all the player including maradona.
The GOAT
Maradona. Sorry kid,,bhe can never be Maradona. It needed the easiest of WC,softpen half dozen pens ,soft ones to win a WC. He is not Maradona level. Also club level post prime Barca they didn't win anything. Maradona is 3 times better
@@A123-u7zin your dreams, I'm one of those who saw Maradona play, he was good a show man but not as productive as Messi
@@A123-u7zZidane is better than Maradona. At least Messi didn't cheat to win the World Cup
@@srtviper333 Zidane🤣🤣🤣. Zidane is not half Maradona. The only reason Zizu is among greats is few big game. Maradona was way superior in big games and way more consistent had 2 times or more impact. Not even close
Honestly 2021 is the only year that is SOMEWHAT arguable.
Rest are all trying to create own happiness
Who would you give it to in 2021?
@@OnTh3Ball Lewa, but just edged over Messi, I believe Messi's struggle with PSG that season gets too much overlooked. He had the numbers and a Copa trophy but didn't enjoy much success otherwise
Messi deserved it more.
The reason is what he did at the Copa America.
Best Player of the tournament, joint top scorer with 4 Goals, Top Assister with 5 assists, only Player ever to win the tournament being the best Player, top scorer and assister.
Lewa scored 2 goals at the Euros but got out in the Group stage.
If in that year there would not been the Euro or Copa America, then I would say Lewa deserved it.
But that's just my opinion
I agree only 2021 was controversy both. It was completely a stalemate for me because even if Leva won it would have been much more controversy than today's.
I remember watching every single one of those seasons and there wasn’t a question about who deserved the ballon d’or everyone knew Messi was going to win it there was no question about it, Messi was the best player. Coincidentally the “controversies” began to surge in 2019 when he won his 6th ballon d’or and surpassed Ronaldo and so a certain fanbase was not happy about the fact that their idol had been surpassed and so they began to discredit everything Messi had won and would win. But from 09-12 there was no doubt from anyone that Messi deserved them, he was the best player and had no competition, despite not winning some important silverware during that time.
09- Xavi and 10- Sniedger was best option. The joke is Milito ranking..not top 10..was best among Inter who won treble. And reason??? No WC performance...and Messi a failure in WC won it. 😂😂😂
Great point. Only after he surpassed their fav they complained
@@A123-u7zand why was he voted to win it, go watch the full season and comeback and comment
@@tjmapena2862 Kid you have any idea how balon d or is voted?? Its journalist and captains,, journalist are just popularity voters,, captains top 3 is usually some star players and one from team/ country. There is not even a proper analysing commitee. Overrated award. For lack of WC performance, Milito hot top 10,,but when it comes to Messi 😂😂😂..he won. What a joke. Same to Griezman in 22. Outstanding WC player but not top 15 with la liga player of season 🤣🤣🤣🤣😇. Messi with WC only won award 🤣🤣. What joke...
@@A123-u7z yeah thanks for confirming that you didn’t watch a single one of those seasons.
No need to justify... those who hate him will forever hate him. Actually he should be winning every year if not for rigged, in favour of other players.
He’s just too good. They’ll realise when he’s gone
How can he win every year especially 2008 ronaldo 2009 deserved 2010 ineasta should’ve won 2011 deserved 2012 deserved 2013 ribery 2014 ronaldo or neur 2015 Messi deserved 2016 ronaldo 2017 ronaldo deserved 2018 ronaldo deserved not Modric 2019 van dijk should’ve won 2020 not given 2021 Lewa 2022 benze 2023 haaland deserved 2024 bellingham or vini or rodri
@@musaraza5950 how old are you wtf that sentence will literally make a dyslexic person scratch their head in confusion at how someone could be that bad at grammar. Also, did you not watch the video at ALL?
@@musaraza5950 also, Iniesta deserves 2012 dallond'or? 💀 Do you know what Messi achieved that year?
And the ronaldo fans just watch videos about nonesense like: why ronaldo is 100x better than messi
Messi the best player ever 👑 🐐
Facts
Even a arsenal fan says that
For a teenager he might be.
@@andrekoerber7334 for adults he is. Ppl that watched him play before 2020 say that everyone with ball knowledge says that. If you say ronaldo best player ever your knowledge just goes far down
We silencing Ronaldo fanboys with this one 🗣🗣🔥🔥
They not outside today 👀
@@OnTh3Ballatleast for a week
Him win them 💯🇦🇷🐐🐐
The best ever
let me explain why messi deserved 2021 and 2023 balondor. he was competing with full strikers while being the teams playmaker and forward both. he had almost same g/a as both but he was not even main forward. international trophies also pushed his season. key passes, chances creations, dribles. lewandowski and haaland had only goals assists and nothing else
Facts plus he was the best player in tournament winning teams
Messi deserved all his ballon dor
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Kwasiaaaaa
No
@@bigdawg1448look, it’s okay to admit you’re on drugs, stop using them, take a break and then, think about what you just said.
3 out of 8 and Cronaldo 2 out of 6
Messi and Ronaldo have truly shined the football world i don't see anyone being another Messi Or Ronaldo the ones hating them currently are mostly aren't even in secondary school yet
Facts. Will be a longtime. This video wasn’t an attack on Ronaldo I ❤️ Ronaldo
The True and Only GOAT 🐐🇦🇷
GOAT!
GOAT!
Messi's ballon d'ors were never rigged... Its just that Ronaldo fanboys never like to see their idol losing to Messi. Messi and Ronaldo are the both the Goat. And Im saying this as a Ronaldo fan.
Respect!!!
Of course hed earned and deserved all of them, its just the players with petty fragile egos, who can't admit theyre not the best, who suggest otherwise. If you see the voting statistics, Messi was overwhelmingly voted in as the winner in 2023.
Yep. Plus it was a World Cup year
Messi is more than statistics (although he dominated). He creates chances and goodness he is unbelievable that i just couldn't explain.
His dribbling & finishing is out of this world too
I have always found it strange when people compare Messi with anyone else, even Ronaldo.
The meaning of playing football is of course to win and in that aspect I can see that Ronaldo is the closest to Messi. That for me is the only aspect that anyone can come close to Messi, even tho Messi has by far the most impressive trophy cabinet.
Is like Ray Hudson said,” it’s not the statistics, it’s the art of football that no one surpasses Messi in. Messi is the greatest Dribbler of all time, the greatest passer of all time, the greatest finisher of all time, the greatest playmaker, the fastest with the ball, one of the most efficient free kick takers of all time, has incredible strength on his feet, and almost never dives.
Messi mastered all elements of football. He was winning ballon d’Or all the times because he was getting better every year
You’re right. Messi is magical. Only Pelé & Maradona can speak to him
❤MESSI THE GOAT FOREVER ❤❤❤❤
Amen
Messi's playstyle is what favours him.. I mean who else can play the game better than Him.. 🐐👑 King conquered his kingdom 🔥
We won’t see another Messi in a long time
@@OnTh3Ball Not in my lifetime there will be no 2nd more Messi 💔👑
It’s because they’re basing Messi’s greatness relative to other seasons he has had. Some seasons he was not as good but he was still by far the best player.
Meanwhile, we’re comparing players like Lewa and Haaland who, at that point in time, have never been better. So these 2 biases are what’s influencing this. On top of that people feel bad for these players because of this new ceiling they hit.
Ballon D’or should be objective, forget about their performance from 2-3 seasons ago. Focus on what they did in the time period relevant to the Ballon D’or and you’ll see that Messi by far was the best.
Facts facts facts. People got used to & bored of Messi’s greatness. A season like 2019 would be most players best ever season by far. For Messi that’s not even top 2. Just shows how incredible he is
Both Ronaldo and Messi were clearly best of this era, but Messi is better. As a Ronaldo fan, I agree that Messi is better after watching this video. I am ashamed of myself for believing in whatever I saw online. Messi and Ronaldo were both the bestest of this era, we'll never get to witness players like them again
Agreed. I like Ronaldo but I admit Messi is the best
@@OnTh3Ball Yep
Ronaldo vs messi❌️
Ronaldo and messi✅️
Goats 🐐
Messi robbed all
Any one believe with me
Why’s that. Who deserved in each year he robbed?
This is a philosophical concept , where if there are two concepts close ( people ) they would Always be compared , which would lead to creation of two fanbases who would bring in stats and all and not try to enjoy the game. Ronaldo has something messi does not and messi has something ronaldo does not. So what , they still did more than u will in thousand lifetimes maybe. Embrace the sport and the players and not hate on them . Love both messi and ronaldo for even if they belonged in different teams ( rivals ) they dominated the foootball industry for more than 15 years. They both are the 🐐. And their fanbases who say pendu and pessi and all the things are just good for nothing people between the age of 10-20 . All those who actually watched both their games never compared them and loved to watch them play. Both have different play styles . And no one is touching their stats anytime soon . And messi deserved all ballon dors .
Yep, we must appreciate both as it will be a while until we see anyone better than them. Living legends
Thanks For Such a good edit. We are Enjoying with This One!La Pulgaaa😎👈 And İ will show this video To Some My friends who they are Ronaldo Fan
Much appreciated. A lot of time goes in to make these videos
How can one steal ballon d'or lmfao
Facts, they’re deserved
@@OnTh3Ballall 8 are legitimate deserving
Yeah but 2021 is arguable, lewą scored more than 20 more goals than messi won Bundesliga, dfl supercap, fifa club world cup, was best player in these competitions, but messi Carried Argentyna to world cup, i think if not popularity it world be hard to decide but yeah messi is goat so he winned it
Copa ameeica*😊😊
@@rozowykolegapaniani4536Messi had more g/a and he carried the worst Barca team to 2 trophies
Appreciate the greatness of both goats❤
Facts
If the best player in the world truly won the Balon D'or every year Messi would have 12
8 is fine because some years Ronaldo did deserve
3 not more....
Congrats for this oda of Messi career. I could not satyt better. MEssi deserve and earn everything. Those that question his reign were in love with Ronaldo face or abs. There will never be a player close to Messi. He is the God of fottball. No question no debate. never was. He complet football at the highest level beating every football star that clame are better. Those names. My god. It will never be a football player better than the ones he surpass. Maradona, Pele, Ronaldino, Zidane, Ronaldo Nazario, Neymar, Levandowski and Mbapee. And than is CR7 that he humiliated so manny times in direct confromtation. He was good but not good enough. Lets not forget that Messi in his prime got over 130 crossbar. it was just pure unluck he dont have over 1000 goals righ now with 100 less games than Ronaldo and over 30 penalitys giving to teamates even in hat trick situation. At one point Messi score so manny goals that it was not fun anymore for him and start only help his teamates. First he recreate a perfect Maradona goal passing 9 defenders, than help Suarez beat CR7 in golden shoes, he wanted to help NEymar to win Balon dor. He did what he wanted in footaball and have a lot of fun doing so. He enjoy footabll and footaball world enjoy him. I know everything about Messi. There is no video or info i did not read or see. No goal and no match that i missed. I am verry greatfull that ive seen tha best footabll player in history live in HD. And that is not all. Messi won the most important trophie in sport twice and he will win super Baln dor. So cr7 fans. Stop liying youreself and say it now or you will sayt later. Messi is the Goat. No question no debate. Thank you Lionel Messi for the magic and for youre game!
Magician of the game. The greatest player we have ever seen!!
MESSI ROBBED 8 BALLON D'OR
should have been 10 infact!
He's the best armed robber on the planet, robbed all ballon d'or whilst others were hoping to get out of his era alive. He killed them all!
😭😭😭
Deadsonaldo robbed 2008 Raul deserved
Cope crying messi deserve thier every ballon dor
@@SirStaged Torres
Crazy how this is even a debate.. he didn’t rob any.
2010 is the only debatable one. All the rest are 1000% deserved
@@OnTh3Ball not really other than iniestas World Cup campaign busquets would’ve been top 3.. Messi did it without international performances and was insane the whole season
Messi would have won 2014 ballon d'or if he would have won world cup and 2016 as well if he wins copa America, and Messi is the most deserved but they robbed Messi
With 2016 probably not as Ronaldo won UCL & Euro
"No no its not rigged if its Messi or Ronaldo"
-Jose Mourinho
Mourinho spitting
Look at keeper's face at 4:24 😂😂
Van der Sar didn’t know what hit him 😭
Yes Van Der Sar looks so funny😂😂😂
Bro i think Both are GOATS. I am a very old football watcher and i think they re so good that it feels that they rob. I guess Ronaldo deserved 2018 ballon dor. What i saw Ronaldo's brilliance was so what equal to him. People say He has Wc and he hasn't but what reality is that they never saw that side of football. AND I AM A RONALDO FAN❤❤
Ronaldo was very unlucky in 2018 as he had some memorable moments like the goal vs Juve. Ronaldo one of my all time favs
We all know that he deserves it……some ronaldo fanboys trying to convince us
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You deserve a lot more sub man ! Love from India ❤️
The obsession of Ronaldo and his fanboys with Messi is crazy😂
Respecting both 🤝
Messi was supposed to have a different award, and him and CR7 are supposed to have an award just for their rivalry in Spain that was the best era of football of all times..Messi deserve all his awards but football hasn't done well it should have made new awards so we could see how well others where doing instead of comparing them to Messi
Really a different reward?
I don’t think FIFA should’ve made an extra award for the others. The others had to find a way like Modric did
You tell them mate! ❤
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If you saying Messi deserved 2023 Bollon d'or bc of WC .How is it possible that in 2014 Neuer lost to Ronaldo for Bollon d'or?
Because Messi won player of the e tournament as well like Modric. Neuer didn’t
@@OnTh3Ball go watch wc and tell me how he was cooking
@@Smrain379 He was cooking
Messi literally made a record in the world cup at the age of 35
@@BarnaliBanerjee-v8s so? Haaland was him and did not win
Nahh messi aint any ordinary little wizard, he's a gnome wizard💀
Yessir
pls no more Ronaldo fan boys commenting its getting cringe stop it
Bro in 2010 sneijder had more g+a in champions league , he was better in wc he went to the final and was in the g+a podium , he was instrumental in the serie a because he was always the heart of the midfield in attack
That’s true, he had an elite season. If he won the World Cup POTT he would’ve won Ballon d’Or vi the same way Modric did. Him not being Inters best player didn’t help him
He wasn't even inter's best player
@@OnTh3Ballbut modric didn't win the world cup and he still win it so what's your point?
The greatest of all time
Factos
if it were to be awarded solely on stats and numbers and individual performances,
messi would win the best player of the year in 2009/10/11/12/15/16/17/18/19/21 and the season 22/23.
that's a total of 11 mvps in 15 years/seasons. ronaldo or anyone can have more g/a than messi by 4 or 5 in an year but they can't top the midfielding and playmaking stats while topping the g/a stats.
Yeah if trophies didn’t have an impact. Messi’s would’ve won more in the 2010s but less in the 2020s
@@OnTh3Ball as it should be trophies can't dictate awards that are to be given to individuals, also he would win it in 2021 and 22/23 season because they made the format to accodmodate wc which is logical. after that he left europe, so obviously there's no winning it anymoree.
2010 in later years we say was undeserved because of iniesta and xavi but the the number he put up this season was almost never seen earlier and here weighted more then the World Cup while in 2023 those numbers Haaland put up was impressive but nothing insane because we seen Messi and Ronaldo put up better numbers consistently for years and years so the World Cup weighted more here that is the reason and I don’t understand how ppl think that is was rigged
Great point, back then someone who doesn’t play as a #9 scoring 40+ goals was unheard of outside of Pelé. Plus it’s easier to score more goals nowadays than before
He should have 9
👀 which year
2013, 2018
@@Editzzlol 2013 or 2018. 2018 he was the Best version of Messi ever, but he didn't have a team
@@lukaskok3642018 ronaldi litterly won the ucl and euro tf u mean 😂
@@Goals4everyone in Euro he didn't do anything, he got injured in the final. Ucl. Refere helped them with 10+mistakes in 2games. In 2013 Messi should win, becose Cristiano win 0 trophies, and Messi scored Just 15 goals less, and he was injured for 2months
Great video.
Just a few notes from my perspective:
1) I don't defend the ballon d'or even as much as I love Messi because its highly inconsistent.
2) If the ballon d'or simply consistently did what it was built for then Messi would have at least 10 ballon d'ors......could easily be 11. And I'm not just giving a random number. I can list the years wherein absolutely no one was more outstanding.
3) The irony of haters who criticise his ballon d'or wins is that
a. They hold him to standards they don't hold anyone to including their idols.
b. They use a silly ballon d'or invented condition like not having won a specific trophy or scored a certain amount of goals to say he robbed an individual award that should be given to the best performing player and at the same time they opt for someone else as the best for presence of those conditions😂
So for me Messi didn't deserve only 1 of his ballon d'ors which is the last one 2023 but he deserved 3 or 4 more that he was never given at least based on my criteria of being the best performing player. Rodri btw deserved the 2023 bdor imo ahead of Messi not Haaland(I think Messi deserved it over Haaland).
Rodri is a fair shout as he was so crucial to Man city in 2023. I think Rodri was better in 2023 than 2024 lowkey. Great comment btw
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@@rodney1199 just say u dont understand simple English
@@darkmotherboard272 Messi is the goat. He ripped United to shreds. World Cup winner
Never judge the GOATS........CR7XLM10
The greats
Messi deserved:
2009
2010
2011
2012
2013
2015
2016
2017
2018
2019
2020
2021
2022/2023
Damn
True he was the best in every year
The only 2 Ballon d'Or that I don't agree that Messi deserved was in 2017 and 2018, and it wasn't because he wasn't good in that years, is because of his competition in that 2 years.
And 2020 wasn't a good season for him. I'm saying this as a Messi fan that's litterally Argentinian, si no me crees acá te hablo un poco en español y Messi es el GOAT
@@ouvuvuevuevueossas i believe u
Ok, I think he deserved 2009,2010,2011,2012,2015,and 2019
In 2010 although no World Cup or UCL, he still pulled up stats we would see for the next 10 year
In 2019 he single-handedly carried Barca to a UCL Semi and Copa Del Rey Final
2021 and 2023 can be debated but he deserves at least 6
2019 I agree with you so much. He was doing ridiculous things that year
2021 & 2023 he wasn’t the best player in the world. It is more due to his tournaments
He should have from 2009 to 2023 all ballo d’Or forget ronaldo and rest
Damn 0 for Ronaldo
Zip it up when your done 🤮
I agree on the 2010 one, Sneijder deserved it more. He was a key player in the Inter Milan treble and the Main player that took Holland the The World Cup final
That’s fair, but inters player of the year was Milito
Lmao not even the best player for inter not even one one the best world cup how does he dersved it?
Giroud won the puskas when he didn't win the goal of the month... @@captainfalconmain6576
The biggest reason why Haaland didn't win in 2023 is because his nation didn't even qualify for the WC. That's not entirely his fault, but it is a big loss. It's like you're directly out of the race by not playing in the biggest competition in World.
Haaland dominated league, UCL and didn't play in the WC.
Messi dominated league, WC and played in the UCL.
And WC>UCL obviously.
So it's clear who the winner is, unless you see football as only goals. That's why there's a seperate award called golden boot which he won. Also haaland won Uefa poty!
So it's very fair imo.
Facts. Haaland should have qualified for the World Cup. Norway aren’t that bad. Yep, ballon d’Or more than just goals
In 2013 a trophyless Ronaldo beat Ribbery and Messi for the Ballon d'Or. Ribbery was a treble winner , best player in Bundesliga , best UEFA player. Messi won La liga and Spanish Super Cup. Ronaldo had 0 trophies and wasn't even La liga Best Player (it was Messi) and somehow he won the Ballon d'Or. In 2022 Messi won Ligue 1 , French Super Cup , World Cup while being the Best Player of the competition (WC Golden Ball winner). They claim that Messi robbed a treble winner Haaland but the Ballon d'Or of 2013 was deserved for their idol , this how embarrassing they are.
Yaaa...then explain why Sniedger/ Xavi didn't win in 10. 😂😂😂. Milito not even top 10
@@A123-u7z Coz Messi played in the World Cup along with dominating Europe! Haaland did not.
@@drazaraza3895 Exactly. But even if we go by their logic of goals. We should also consider goals+assists.
And for the 2022 ballon d'or, the rule was changed based on season not calendar year. So according to 2022/2023 season, Messi had more G+A than Haaland, even though Haaland had more goals.
They just overhyped Haaland for breaking the premier league goal record, but in fact if we consider the overall season even Mbappe came very close to Haaland. He scored 55, Haaland scored 56.
Since it was also a season of international competitions, Haaland suffered by not playing for Norway, that's why he couldn't go beyond 60 goals. Even in the qualifiers Haaland didn't score any significant goal for Norway! And in UCL knockout later stages he disappeared.
All these makes Messi clear favourite, but Ronaldo PR made it look closer than it was actually.
Messi also deserve 2018 balloon d’or base on what madrid fan saying about vini rodri matter
Tbf Messi didn’t win a CL that year & had a really bad World Cup. I’d say 2018 is for Modric Ronaldo or Mbappé
@@OnTh3Ball I’m talking about messi vs modric goal and assists count I’m not saying 2018 was robbed as a barca fan modric truely deserve that year
It was just a simple counter if modric can get it rodri also deserve it but in compare to vini he deserve it more but that doesn’t change rodri performance
i hate people use the trophies argument when it’s a invidual player performance
With the World Cup & cop American he was the best player in winning teams tbf
@@OnTh3Ball individual performance matters
@@OnTh3Ball not really a good argument
If you talk about individual performances then messi deserves all of them
@@captainfalconmain6576 well that has affected many previous ballondor winners so just deal with it, people hold international trophies to a higher level,sorry if you failed to realise that
Giving the current statistics Messi still deserves this year's Ballon 'd or
Vini for me
messi is a legendary player of course but cr7 tenure at real madrid is unmatched. prime cr7 put in a better performances on the world stage than messi too.
@@dominiccedits Ronaldo got carried to a EURO title. NOT MY GOAT
crying at the World Cup nonstop. Got rattled by a little Moroccan girl. He needs to retire and become a podcast jigga
You not feeling Messi at the World Cup?
@@OnTh3Ball Messi was the best at the World Cup. Mbappé only played well for 10 minutes
@@rodney1199 Messi was the best in the knockout stages. Him and Mbappe were neck and neck for me throughout the tournament
@@rodney1199 deadgrandmotheressi fandog logic 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤏🧠🐷🐷🐷
Crying everywhere since 8-2, 6-0, 7-0 defeat 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤏🧠
Destroyed barca and psg 🤣🤣🤣
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1:00 sorry Sneijder, Van Dijk or Lewa fans? Nah sorry Ronaldo fans
They not happy about this video
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If the Ballon D'or was given to the best player based on the way the players play instead of what they achieved, Messi would have won a lot in a row, maybe he would have compited with Neymar and early Cristiano Ronaldo.
True, I agree but I prefer it being based on the year they had
2010 Iniesta tbh (he’s WC performance was out of this world and had the same titles of Messi club wise), 2021 look at the stats of lewandoski and 2023 he did nothing except shooting penalty’s in the World Cup.
I agree that the other 5 are deserved, but those three in specific shouldn’t be in his posesion
Xavi had a better World Cup & 2010 overall as Iniesta had many injury problems
Lewandowski was KO out of Europe early & Messi was the best World Cup player in the knockout stages. Him & Mbappé were probably level throughout the World Cup tho
Iniesta would deserve 2010 if he wasn't injured for a good chunk of the season. Its the same reason Messi couldn't win Ballon D'or in 2013.
Just love the part where the whole video really triggered most Ronaldo fanboys to said something so stupid but personally 6 ballon dor are well deserved for him.
Which one do you believe he didn’t deserve
The only time I felt like it was kind of robbed was 2019. Van Dijk was in his prime that season, but because defenders don't really score. So Messi deserved it 51-49 (Messi-Van Dijk).
Agreed. Attackers have a harder role than CBs
People like to argue Messi's season wasn't good in 22/23, but I call bull on that, how can you say that 63 Goal contributions is a bad season? With 38 goals and 25 assists, any player at all would be jealous to have numbers like that, the only reason Messi wasn't the top scorer was because Mbappé was the focus and not him, Haaland had 52 goals and 9 assists and just 6 goals as his goal contributions in European qualifiers which is the ONLY REASON his goal contributions were just 4 above Messi, while Man City was a machine made to feed Haaland goals, the Ballon D'or isn't just a numbers award, if it were, Ronaldo, Messi, Suarez, Lewandowski, and now Haaland would've been the only ones who won the award by now, Haaland is a machine who's finishing knows no bounds, but to say he could do the same with Norway is just delusional, there's little excuse when Ibrahimovic and Gareth Bale took their countries forward to the top while being the main man in their squads and strikers/wingers, of course, Messi's side was star-studded for the 2022 World Cup, but that's also why his performance is just that much more impressive, he was the cog that made the Albiceleste work and there wasn't often a single play that wouldn't go through him and to the goal, he was always involved, and his performance shows results both statistically and visually, I had no quarrels with Haaland winning it, but to say Haaland was the only one who deserved it is delusional as the award would go more to Man City rather than him, while Messi won the award for his individuality and his achievements that HE was THE pivotal part of
He had a good 22/23. Linked up well with Mbappé. Started the season well. PSG were good before the World Cup.
Plus the World Cup is the biggest stage and he was POTT so it was fair
Is this even a question? Only CR7 and RM fans have this dilemma 💅🏻👄
Both are greats of the game
Messi is the greatest all round player in the history of the sport overcoming all competitions
Better than Jordan 👀
Real 🐐
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Once Messi pulled away from everyone else in History in terms of Balandor a certain losers online started trying to discredit the biggest individual Award in Football
Messi 🐐
Messi should won more than 8, atleast 10. Even 2014, 2016 and 2018 should have been won by him. Trophies are not the criteria, he is the most complete in stats
Trophies play a part. He did have a bad World Cup in 2018
2016 CR7 won both euro & ucl
if that's one of the criteria that made lionel messi win the ballon dor in one of the seasons despite underforming with his coutnry, then surely vinicius junior should have won it ahead of rodri .
I do believe Rodri should have won
I do believe Vini should have won *
honestly he still deserve this ballon dor. because he is better than the 3 finalist for this year. messi is a master
Not 2024 Ballon d’Or. he didn’t have a great Copa
I totally agree that Messi deserved all his ballon d'Ors but you basicaly narrated his whole carreer rather than really showing why he was better than everybody else.
If you're gonna say he deserved all Ballon d'Ors, the minimum you should be doing would be comparing his season with the player most people (who don't agree) say that should have won.
Fair pointer, I did mention why he won it but yes next time I will mention the competitors more
Year 2013
Most goals and assists in league:Messi
Best playmaker:Ribery
UCL:bayern
Ballon d'or:Ronaldo
But nobody talks about it😢
Yeah Ribery was super unlucky
Yeah
But nobody calls it a robbery
every professional knows Messi 🐐 deserved all of them. it's just cristiano fans who say that because they're jealous that Messi 🐐 is far better than cristiano.
Everyone got bored of Messi’s greatness
Considering that he is/was the best player of his generation, and if the ballon d'or is given to the best player in the world, then Messi being the absolute best should have 16-17 ballon, maybe more. So yes, the ballon d'or is rigged, against Messi if anything.
Tbf Ballon d’Or is for who is the best that year. So Ronaldo Modric Benzema deserved some too
But if it was for who is the best overall then I would 100% agree with you
Most of the normal healthy players can be like Ronaldo but they lack the ambition, determination, hard work and commitment to be like Ronaldo.
But no players can be like Messi till now because Messi was born with this magic.
Messi is God given talent. He has glue on his foot
Ronaldo fans can’t believe why doing chops, endless step overs, scoring pens and tap ins isn’t enough to put him over Messi in ballon d’or votings
Ronaldo is world class too. He deserved his 5, but Messi deserves his too
And also lewa was hurt not winning cuz he somehow managed to have his best year but messi still existed. Nobody was able to digest the truth 😂😂
Lewandowski best year was 2020 & ballon d’Or got cancelled that year
"But saar we will prove that Pessi rigged all his ballon D'ors using Einstein formula😡😡"
- A Ronaldo fankid after watching this video
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The media and Ronaldo fanboys 😂
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I'm not telling Messi didn't deserved, but giving only two men 13 Ballon D'or is outrageous...... atleast given them 1 or 2 and then give the others to NextGen.....
It ain't charity bro
Facts!
Not at all as they’ve been the best
You cant tell me Lewadowski never deserved a bolllon d'or
Lewandowski deserved 2020 but Covid cancelled that
@@OnTh3Ball They could have just done the cerimony on zoom lol. But on all seriousness, it could have been simply been given to Lewa but with no cerimony, done.
The 2021 ballon dor was clearly robbed.
Why’s that? & who should’ve won?
In 2010 you mentioned sneidjer but didnt mention Iniesta who was a part of Messi's team and scored the goal in the world cup to win his country their first ever world cup.
Fair point, he should’ve been mentioned more. I mentioned Sneidjer more as back in 2010 it was a popular opinion that he should have won
@OnTh3Ball I remember, there was outrage also because the top 3 was Messi, Iniesta and Xavi and Sneidjer wasn't even a finalist. Was a great video btw. I always felt like Iniesta deserved it that year especially given the significance of the world cup run.
Messi is the goat 🐐
FACTOS
The only one that I'm tempted to say it is undeserving was the ones in 2021 and in 2010 every other Ballon dor was deserved
2010 as he didn’t have a good World Cup so I can agree with you
2021 he won Copa and the other candidates weren’t convincing
One thing that id change is that yes, the stats are impressive, but in my opinion, you whould compare him more to his competitors.
Also almost half the video is just the first ballon d'or which leaves little room to make a good case for the other ones.
Some of his wins are undisputed but some not so much and itd be better if youd compared them to at least the 2nd and 3rd ranked players.
I do not agree that all of his ballon d'Ors are clear cut, especially the 2010 one in which both Xavi and Iniesta won the world cup, the 2019 season in which van Dijk was unbelievable (this comes from an Arsenal supporter), 2022 in which Lewandowski was better in my opinion and 2023 in which yes, he did win the world cup, but if he deserved the 2010 one in which his teammates who won the same silverware + the world cup and didnt win it, i dont see how that compares to Haaland winning the treble and being the main man in city.
Messi also didnt win almost anything at star studded psg and lets be honest, prem is far more competetive now then the french league today or the laliga.
Was he one of the best for multiple years? Yes.
But did he deserve them all truly?
We cant change it now, and all we can do is disagree. Some ballon d'Ors have a clear winner, but others not so much.
Also, some of the facts you focus on in the video are indeed impressive, but in the end they dont matter. For example, Haaland scored the same amount or more goals in his first season at city than 3 teams and was 2 short of another 3. This stat ic completely unrelevant, what isnt is that he broke the record.
I think you make some good points in the video but like i said earlier, almost half of the video is just one season and thus theres little information about the other seasons.
Also you could focus more on the more unclear wins and vouch why they were/werent deserved (your opinion) instead of spliting time equally even on the clear wins.
Also sorry if my English is not right, it's not my first language.
You make some good points. I agree that if he won 2023, then Xavi probably should have won 2010. & I could have mentioned the other candidates in more detail like Milito, Van Dijk & Lewandowski etc. but I do believe people are getting bored of Messi’s success & just want to see someone else win for the sake of it
Understood well
The only debatable one is 2021, tbh but even he won copa America, but poland couldn't make it past the group stages ineuro 2020 sorry for my bad English btw
You’re correct. Your English sounds perfect to me lad!!!
@OnTh3Ball thanks bro
1. You're prolly 12 y/o using eleven labs because if you sounded like a baby people wouldn't take you seriously
2.Lionel Messi didn't deserve all his balons. 2010 it was Iniesta/Xavi but they didn't cuz some people voted for iniesta and some for xavi and lastly 2019 For Van Dijk and I don't even need to explain why. Rest were obvious except we can argue about 2023 but Winning world cup at 35 while being best player of the whole tournament is mad work.
I'm not a Messi/Ronaldo fanboy. I'm just a football fan
26 years old. 2010 that’s fair, Xavi could’ve won. Defenders rarely win it so it’s not a shock that he won & same, I’m a fan of football 1st
No a messi glazer
Which year did he rob?