Watching this comp a year later, I actually took something from this playthrough after getting off my lazy ass and actually deciding to finally playthrough this game in full instead of dropping it repeatedly. You can hookshot the Stalfos and stun them. This actually helped a lot.
"I like Majora's Mask a lot more than I like this game" _Quit Majora's Mask because he didn't want to pick up any upgrades and wasn't good enough to progress any further_
BeansRabbit Most people don't. Some know that about themselves and can be more specific in analysis of their ideas. Arin seems to be in the former category.
I think it would be funny if someday Dan would just sucker punch Arin, take the controller, and -make Game Grumps a more enjoyable show- play the game himself.
@@PhantomTheMate I will admit.. that part i too hated. Because you have to time it precise when it closes and jams it shut or something. I never understood the logic in that weakness XD
Just had a question in mind. since it wouldn't happen by mere happenstance, what would happen if you wear the hover boots on ice? Is it more slippery, or unaffected?
@@ImPersonNation It makes sense that it would be unaffected, because they're just as slippery on land as they are while doing their hover, so while wearing hover boots it's really them that create the "friction", the floor just keeps you at a consistent height and stabilized the hover so it never breaks down (until you leave solid ground).
>Obtains iron boots. >Watches Sheik cutscene. >Can’t leave the room. >Wonders if he got the iron boot. >Looks in his inventory for the iron boots. Oh my God...
during the video some comments are made about whether the game holds up and if Arin's criticism holds water. After watching this video that debate no longer means anything to me. OOT does show it's age, but people are not mad that Arin is pointing that out, they're mad because if you had never played OOT and then saw this play through you'd think OOT was a broken piece of garbage. Not only is this not accurate, it's completely disingenuous. Arin's lack of skill and borderline infantile attention span are not the game's fault.
I was getting the impression that this is a cryptic game. Im not saying that thats actualy TRUE, Im saying that thats what it seemed like as someone whos never played this, watching the footage above.
The Hammurabi Chode generally it's not, Navi talks you through most of the game, and if not her, you can find an NPC with some information. Like jamesfleming0007 said, so long as youre not an infant, the game really isn't too difficult.
@@thehammurabichode7994According to Nintendo's official Zelda timeline after ocarina of time the timeline splits into 2 different things 1. Link wins which leads to twilight princess and botw 2. Link dies which leads to Zelda 1, 2, and link to the past
@@Foxplayer091did you forget the 3rd Timeline, the Adult one where Wind Waker & Phantom Hourglass happens, I know you meant to clear it up, but you can’t forget the 3rd timeline
This was the playthrough that really steered me off of Game Grumps. It was really off-putting to hear unfounded criticisms in nearly every episode simply because Arin refuses to actually understand the game mechanics. He wants instant gratification for the way he plays and when that doesn't happen it suddenly becomes a fault of the game, rather than his play style.
The best part is when he was bashing on the Fire Temple while saying the Water Temple is easier, and then cut to Water Temple. Hard to believe you believe that, Arin.
@@smallgator I don't. Not even hard. I haven't needed a walkthrough for it in ages. Dark Link isn't even a challenge. My trick is that I make mental notes of landmarks. I get through it so quick anymore.
To be fair, I've been using Zelda Dungeon's walkthrough while playing through OoT. But then, I know I suck and I've never once claimed to not suck or have terrible sense of direction. And I mostly just use it so I don't miss any collectibles, like gold tokens or heart pieces.
I actually 100% bricked a save in the water temple. I forget how but basically the last key I need is stuck behind a door I can’t access somehow, no clue how but basically I wasted a key on the wrong door. That place is BRUTAL in the original version. Nowhere near that on the DS from what I’m told
Zion Sairin Even though that's impossible, unless you were sequence breaking, which I highly doubt you did. In which case, you just missed a key obviously, and possibly restarted the whole file for no reason, other than you thought the game was soft locked from any form of progression.
Byron Lyons i spent like 8 hours checking every room I could reach, I ended using googling it and basically I used a key I was supposed to use to get the Longshot or something on a different door and the only key left requires said longshot. I’m stupid, but I think I do still have that save. I’ll check it again
The only thing worse and more painful than Arin's sheer incompetence at a game he talked so much shit about like it wasn't his fault is the amount of people defending him in the comment section.
I'm personally not defending him. I mean he does suck. I'm just not going to shit on him for it. XD I mean why should I? He's the reason I actually wanted to play oot.
People aren't shitting on him for merely sucking. They're shitting on him because he attributes his inability to play the game to _the game_ being bad, rather than...well, his inability to play the fucking game. Who the fuck dies over 20 times in a single playthrough of OoT? I've only ever had a small handful of deaths across all the times I've played it, and I'm not even a "pro"; I'm just not incompetent and I'm actually willing to _learn how the goddamn game works._
People literally still got pissed in the parts where he apologized for his mistakes. They got pissed when he he chose to kill Moblins with bombs (which he had no problem doing) instead of the the cheaper method of using a switch hook. He calmly pointed out once he felt some of the puzzles just felt like busy work and moved on but the comment section made a big deal out of it. He pointed out stuff he was wrong about in his sequelitas. He didnt just spend the entire time blaming the game for his own mistakes like you guys want to believe. People are mad because they cant handle seeing people play their vidya games poorly. It happens on James and Mike mondays videos too. Some people simply have trouble holding commentary and playing games but theres proof around that these guys can indeed play well.
Arin continually just bashes his head into a wall and is mad when it doesn't work. The Dark Link fight exposes the hell out of him. 1) He never uses his shield unless it's literally required, but Dark Link does and it's stonewalling him. According to Arin, it's bullshit. 2) He skims a walkthrough but doesn't do it right, and then gets mad that the walkthrough is 'wrong'. 3) Every time he dies, he charges right back to the fight with almost no preparation. More hearts? Fairies? Nah. 4) Once he figures out the cheese strat, suddenly he's in a good mood again, shocker. God forbid something require him to alter his approach or think critically.
WOW. Lets take your amazing idea and make it better by making it accessible by pressing one ,YES PEOPLE YOU HEARD IT RIGHT. Just one button to open it. ORDER NOW
Oh yeah? Just watch " This is how you don't play Majora's Mask Game Grumps Edition." *_4 Hours and fifty some minutes. All of it justified._* Strap in for the long haul.
What I've learned from watching this is that Arin refuses to adapt to any situation. At all. If his strategy of 2D Zelda sword swinging isn't working, then that must mean you have to wait and not find a faster, riskier, overall better way to fight it. I like him more than most people, but Arin's stubborn and jaded personality is what prevents him from enjoying this game. I wish he'd just admit he hates the legacy behind it and stop blaming the game for his own incompetence.
TheManicNorm yeah for example in sequelitis he complains 3D made it impossible to hit bats with your sword even with z-targeting.... ignoring the fact that the place where you first encounter bats is where you get your slingshot. Heck I don’t believe you are capable of encountering bats without the slingshot unless you play master quest
Even then if you think about it just raise your shield, wait for the bat to hit it and push the sword button...presto you don't even need the fucking slingshot and even the kokiri sword can reach it.
You do realize that wasn’t his only arguments right? He talked about the pace of the game as well and the argument about the roadblocks which is completely accurate
Rikudou Goku true but a link to the past had several road blocks as well and his favorite 3D zelda game at the time Majora’s mask (I’m pretty sure he considers breath of the wild better) has arguably even more roadblocks than Ocarina. And his annoyance of the amount of waiting in combat. Waiting adds strategy and stops it from being dull and repetitive. Don’t believe me? Play star fox adventures then we’ll talk
Kyle Campbell Yeah but the difference in a link to the past , is that the roadblocks aren’t asinine story tasks that interrupt the game , like Watching a cutscene or walking to an area to click A on someone to hear them talk. Link to the past just allows you to get the book and shit . which is still gameplay
This and it's really unfortunate because all he has to say is "I just don't like 3D Zelda games" and while a lot of people would say "How can you NOT like 3D Zelda games?!" even more people would say "I get it. Not every game is for everyone." and go about their lives. But because he feels the need to push his opinion as fact he ends up making a fool of himself and pissing off a lot of people who easily call out his bullshit.
@@Edward-Not-Elric And let's not forget the time he straw-manned Ocarina of Time fans in his Zelda Sequalitis video by portraying them as big, unbathed losers who exist only to be shouted down by him. egoraptor is the reason I can't watch the Game Grumps, not even the Jontron years. I'll make it through one video before I just get fucking sick of hearing Arin whining and switch over to someone else's LP of a game.
"Volvagia keeps one shotting me, this boss sucks!" my brother in christ there were 6 extra hearts maximum you could have right now if you actually played the zelda game like a zelda game...
@@cannon9009 Also when Arin played Dark Souls for the very first time on Grumps "Holy shit this first boss can one-shot you, that what makes it so cool." Btw never played Souls so maybe there is context for why that's more fair, but also, would like context for why it's not good on this boss maybe please.
Which is funny cause he was at the last temple in the game. stone tower. All he needed to do was beat that mini boss then the main boss and then majora
@@ideadlift20kg83 And what an embarassing few episodes they were. Literally hand held through the whole thing. The cherry on top was how he complained the last boss was too easy while using the fierce diety mask.
@@Ian_Comics at least he went back to fight him with just Link. I think that was an acceptable note to end on. I preferred the latter like 15 episodes.
I think being bad at a game doesnt exclude you from being entertaining. You can be awful and still find an entertaining way to present the video. Yelling at the game for your own failures and making arguments that are objectively wrong is not one of those ways
I know this comment is very old but you're 100% correct. Watching people play a game that they're new to or bad at can be entertaining if they admit they're bad and play off that. Then again thats the difference between a man baby and a comedian
You know you are bad at this game if Lucajins blind play through of Oot went smoother than a play through with someone who's played through the game a couple times in the past.
Collin Drey Everything about Lucah’s playthrough was much more enjoyable than this playthrough because Lucah wasn’t bitching about the game the whole time.
Of course, because Arin has the patience of a 10-year-old on a sugar rush, any game that makes you wait for more than 2 seconds to do something is a bad game -_- Also, Gerudo Fortress was probably the most excruciating part in any GG series ever. Arin's ineptitude plus his forced fake raging was so hard to watch
Yeah... but no one gets caught 21 freaking times and at least use arrows the first/second time through which is more effective than the hookshot. Arin’s just horrendously impatient. Sure I got a few laughs here and there but when he keeps bashing at the game to cover his own incompetence, it gets annoying REAL fast. Hence why I can’t stand his Majoras Mask playthrough.
@@NavyPheonix I played it at 7, got scared/traumatised first by the forest temple (somehow beat it, despite being scared as shit) and then gave up on the bottom of the well. The "brain-sucker" as it is called in german, just freaked me out so ahrd, i didn't touch the game until iwas 12. x)
I have to be honest I love Danny but one of my biggest gripes with new game grumps is that Dan doesn't play video games anymore even when there is a 2 player option Jon and Arin would switch back and forth between a single player game and it was hilarious They even did a small compilation of every time Jon took the control of sonic 06 Those moments are what I missed from the Jon era
Yeah if only Danny didn't quit playing video games when 3D became a thing If Jon was there he could take the controls from Arin and show how you're supposed to play the game and call him out on his bullshit
@@kylecampbell565 The difference is: people don't care when Dan is bad because he _admits_ that he's bad. This playthrough was wasted on Arin. Not only would his sequelitis points have been proven/disproven if Dan played, but I really think Dan would have enjoyed this game. Shadow Of The Colossus is one of their best playthroughs because we watched a man fall in love with a game.
"YOU SAW I WAS BLOCKING" Wow, Arin, it's almost as if after getting hit by that attack through shield 3 times, anyone would realize that the last hit pierces shield, and that THAT attack specifically is what sends you back to your cell if you get hit by it. Neat. Hey, remember the sidestep and backflip dodges in this game?
Zenith Tempest So what he did wrong is assuming that the shield will keep blocking after the first 3 hits were blocked instead of you needing to use the dodges you (I?) never use unless you're using the big goron sword?
You know, I always have wondered, do those dodges have i-frames? Because if so, I’d be shocked. That means... DARK SOULS IS JUST ADULT OCARINA OF TIME!
Thank you for including all the times Dan's patience ran out, those were some of the funniest moments. Also this bat montage is sending my sides into orbit.
I do think people don't like how Arin talks about it because he's such a hypocrite about it and misses things that are incredibly obvious, and really doesn't do well at all in even simple things in here. LOL the epic demon music when the Hover Boots appear.
My least favorite part about this playthrough wasn't that Arin was bad at the game - it was the apparent strain that Arin put on his relationship with Dan in this series. Arin was soooo negative and bitchy the entire time, and you can hear Dan struggling to keep the feel of the show light and friendly - and Arin just couldn't stop being insufferable and remember he's doing a comedy show. It's super evident in the water temple - Dan's super uncomfortable with how shitty Arin seems to be acting. I dunno, weird observation but it really bugged me through the course of this series.
Same here. For me it was the "STUPID FUCKING TARGETING SYSTEM HE WAS RIGHT IT FRONT OF ME!!" If he would JUST. USE. A DEKU NUT...or wait in an open space to boomerang the Green Skull.
"You shoot them and they stun enemies, but they're pretty worthless." Ask literally any speedrunner, Deku Nuts are the most overpowered item in this game.
Any speed runner worth his freaking salt will tell you that bombs are the most powerful item in the game, no contest. Hovers, clips, weird shots, damage abusing, etc etc etc. Bombs easily take that spot. Deku nuts ARE highly underrated for their stun factor, as well as killing some hard to hit enemies like the floating mantas in Jabu's belly.
Hibub Games yes also known as players who took the time to read item descriptions and the instruction booklet....and eventualy figured out the game on a deeper level, BASED ON GAME MECHANICS/PHYSICS/INTERACTIONS ANY AVERAGE PLAYER COULD COME ACROSS
Hibub Games - Deku Nuts are extremely useful even for casual players. They have the amazing effect of reducing the WAITING that Arin complains so much about. In so many of his playthroughs, he doesn't use all the tools available to him and complains when his comfortable strategy (usually MASH THE ATTACK BUTTON) doesn't work anymore. Off the top of my head, Deku Nuts can: - extinguish any of the varieties of flaming skulls and make them vulnerable - interrupt the attacks of Gerudo guards, Stalfos, and Lizalfos and leave them open for a jump attack - stun the laser statues - reveal the living statues and/or stun them - stun Floormasters and Wallmasters and kill them when they split - instantly kill those annoying bubbles in Jabu-Jabu in a wide AoE - instantly kill the jellyfish in Jabu-Jabu, and this also works on the jellyfish that surround Barinade - instantly kill the bats - stun the flying stingrays and make them pop out of the ground or fall down - clear the ghost clones of the Forest Temple mini-boss and reveal the main one - stunlock Dark Link and trivialise the fight - damage Ganon and trivialise the fight, you can kill him with only Deku Nuts They're one of the most versatile items in the entire game if you experiment with them, there aren't many enemies you can't use them on.
I played through this game once as a kid, I remember absolutely nothing about this game and every part of it was a new experience to me, like seeing it for the first time. All I remembered was there was an Ocarina, a ninja dude, and swords. Watching Arins play through was like a kick in the balls as I basically got nostalgia cucked.
"I like Majora's Mask more than I like this game." With him actually playing it on Grumps now, I think his opinion may have changed. Just a little bit.
I gave up on watching that let’s play. It’s PURE cringe. It’s actually making me want to unsubscribe but also make a compilation like this... but i don’t have the sanity like this brave soul to do it. Nor the fucking time cause ARIN KEEPS WASTING IT BY MAKING ZERO FUCKING PROGRESS!!! ......I’m sorry. Just slipped out. I mean it’s not like the man, who hates it when games wastes his time, is wasting MY time by watching him waste time... WHICH THE GAME IS FUCKING ABOUT!!!
As someone who doesn't watch GG at all, it occurs to me watching this video just how horribly unrelatable Arin is. The whole point of a casual playthrough like this it's supposed to feel like a bunch of friends getting together to play video games (and Dan seems to get this) but it's almost as if Arin does everything in his power to deliberately alienate his viewers by either being weird or just plain snobby.
Thank you for phrasing my weird suspicions and feelings so well. I think he's super tires of LPs but it's just too much easy money for no effort to let it go and he doesn't wanna fire his e̶m̶p̶l̶o̶y̶e̶e̶s̶ friends.
It's bizarre seeing Dan, someone who's normally relaxed and easy going, getting so fed up he starts challenging Arin's incessant whining about the game. When Jon was on the show Arin & Jon would constantly talk shit to each other in a way friends do. Now it's one calm, level-headed guy next to a man-child who rages at the game every time he fucks up.
I watched for so long and it was the Zelda LPs that turned me off. It was clear that Arin, the person playing the games (because dan... never plays for some reason?) Didn't want to play
Nah. It's still great and valid. Even if Arin, himself, is invalid. Doesn't invalidate the video, however, as most insecure fanboys of OoT desperately claim it does. And this is me a person that can't stand Game Grumps.
@Antichrist2000 Well, there's no objectivity when it comes to liking or disliking a game, period. Bias against the game? The game is twenty years old... It's bound to have blatant problems. After all it was the transitional stage between 2D to 3D for Nintendo. Any game has the right for criticism. Any *thing*, really. Especially the early 3D games spawned from the N64 or PS1. Because they have problems, objectively. That's why we have games the way they are made today and not twenty years ago.
@@charlie1234500 what criticisms? Z-targeting while constantly bringing up Skyward Sword's existence? This is exactly why Arin should stick solely with entertainment, because whenever he gives any sort of insight, it's mixed with memes and idiocy.
@@charlie1234500 By that logic games nowadays must be superior in every way, right? I don't think that's the case. There's plenty of 40-60 dollar games released today that are worse than ocarina of time. With games I don't think it's about making something perfect and flawless, because certain gameplay flaws are inevitable. "10/10 Ign Goty" games have glaring flaws. I think it's about how much the good things outweigh the flaws. It's not like a painting where you look at it from afar and admire it, games are experiences you invest a lot of time into. I can spend an hour picking apart shitty things about ocarina or skyward sword or link to the past, but it says nothing for how fun the overall experience is, or at most it says very little. You can probably make a 2 hour video arguing for or against any game within reason. You can clearly tell Arin is looking at these games from afar and cherry picking without considering the entire experience and how it's woven together. The way he plays the games shows how he isnt knowledgable about the games themselves as a whole, dungeon design, world design, etc, just about a couple of nitpicks he has formed. But that's my observation.
during the playthrough i really wanted to defend arin against all the people calling him out and stuff, but watching it all mashed up like this is just embarrassing and crazy to hear him try and talk shit on this game lol
Dude, same. I was like 'Come on guys, let Arin have his opinion.', but that was tough watching him wear the hover boots he hates so much for like 20 episodes.
"I'm gonna show you how not hard the water temple is" "F**KING CLAMS!" -Arin Hanson. "Complicated enemies are an absolute joy to fight!" *Keeps blocking Gerudo spin attack after seeing that it knocks you down* "God this enemy makes no sense!" -Also Arin Hanson. *Attacks enemies that dodge if you're too aggressive* "There is so much... GOD D**M WAITING... In Ocarina!" *Attacks enemies normally and kills them in 10% of the time it did before* "Okay, fine, I guess I'll just wait forever." -Also Arin Hanson as well.
24:24 "My favorite Zelda is probably Majora" - now we know better after Arin having a mental break down while playing majoras Mask. But we cant blame him, reading and remembering what you read is hard so it's the games fault
It always pisses me off when people excuse him by saying “oh but he’s talking as well, that makes it harder on him!” That might have worked when Grumps were one of the few channels that did this, but so many people do this with much harder games, and live for that matter, so it’s absolutely inexcusable. There is no denying that Arin is playing as best as he can during grumps
that sequelitis really did an unfair comparison with gameplay LttP was basically the height of the 2d adventure game where the gameplay was perfected by that point OoT was experimental & new with the 3d perspective. they had to try & come up with entirely new ways to do combat
I made a horribly cringe response video making essentially this exact same argument. I don’t know how he thought that was a good basis for his entire argument.
2 years later and this is one of if not the best TIHYDPs ive ever seen. Editing was superb, comedy was on point, it never had a dull moment, and whenever Arin did something stupid you were always there to show us how it is done. I seriously hope you do more of these the past 2 almost 3 hours were magical.
You know, would have been funny if there were like a side-by-side, where left if GG, and the right is someone who knows what they're doing. Not a professional, but someone who actually cares.
Hello There Look at the majoras mask plathrough and tell me he has. Its not that hes mellowed out, its just that he goes into a different variety of rage.
It's even harder to believe that when you see his current run of Majora's Mask and the fact that he's clearly not going to bother getting all the masks AKA the actual meat of the game.
It gets better with Greener221's comment about lying to get "gamer cred" which is exactly what he did in the MM videos lying that he "loves MM, I was just trolling about getting mad" and "yeah, i use to play this game all the time when i was younger, i got the fierce deity mask!"
To be fair, that game (if played well) turns into a game of managing a known set order of events. The waiting is still there, but there is investment there, which there isn't really any of in Oot, which is just unregulated waiting. MM is about waiting for something you know will happen, which you plan out, that, at the very least, is a little more interesting.
Every time the defense force says "he has ADHD" to excuse his absolutely shitty skills at this game I want to punch my monitor. I have ADHD and these people have absolutely no idea what they're talking about.
I think I'm one of the fans that genuinely doesn't like Arin's anger, I think raging at a video game being hard when playing them for a TH-cam channel for your job speaks really poorly of him as a person. I could easily sit through this playthrough if Arin was honest about not paying attention or remembering stuff but he comes off as shockingly arrogant when he screams through it.
There are one or two amazing moments of his rage, and then there's... ugh, THIS. This mixture of entitlement and incompetence?? Unacceptable. Never played OOT, btw
Arin has played games all his life. He's played games as his god damn job for 10 years now. He still gets angry at the game when he performs badly because of his own mistakes. I can't stand it.
I love how Arin complains about how linear the experience of OoT is, but when he plays it, he doesn't take any advantage of the freedom it does give him as he plays. He has almost minimal hearts and golden skultulla rewards from the lack of exploring. I'm watching the video and they passed the Fire Temple, and he didn't even pick up Din's Fire yet? Like the horse entirely can be skipped so I'm surprised he bothered even and didn't just cross the bridge with the longshot. The horse helps get the biggoron sword and stamina management saves time, and lets you jump obstacles (like getting to Gerudo Valley early), it also makes the racing more engaging, which they already did, and he failed there too. He complained this game just brought over items from the past Zeldas so the game doesn't utilize them effectively with its Z axis, yet he refuses to take advantage of these items during combat outright. He never uses the bow to kill Keese or other enemies and always uses the really slow Hookshot despite having full arrows all the time and the game dropping them constantly. He walked along the bottom of the lake forever, but did he go fishing and get those rewards? Did he try the horseback archery challenges? Thing is, almost nobody would care about how Arin plays the game if he didn't blame the game so often. He often responds to criticism by saying something along the lines of "Well excuse me for playing the game to have fun and not just do everything perfectly and get to the end as fast as possible or whatever." Problem is that IS how he's playing the game. If he's whining about things while playing, then he's not conveying to the audience that he's having fun. He seems like he's playing this game to just rush to a goal, like he's not exploring much or taking in the dialogue. He's playing it like a linear and straightforward game and ignoring the freedom it gives you in combat and exploration, and how rewarding both can be. So yeah, don't be surprised when you complain and people correct you and suggest things to make you enjoy the experience more properly. He can play it however he wants, but he seems to be playing it a way that contradicts how he wants the game to be played by himself. Think of each fight as a puzzle and find the fastest and safest way to solve it. Take the time to explore the game and accept the rewards it has for you to use to help you later. Assess your surroundings properly and experiment with what will help you advance after finding all the available clues. Have fun. Etc. On top of that, he mentioned combat and exploration being separated when before they were the same process, yet he never fights without z targeting, which you can, and when fighting multiple enemies, the game encourages because it is how you swing your sword horizontally. Most people also used the spin attack without z targeting to get a better view of the surroundings while you charge and release.
Arin does the most minimalist shit in LPs, yet takes much longer than completionists. At least Friends Without Benefits, or BlueGameGrumps if you will, completed both games with both skill AND good commentary. They even acknowledged Arin's rage-quit in MM.
This, and for someone whose defense against criticism is, "Excuse me for playing the game how I want and having fun instead of doing it all perfect and just rushing to the end", he sure as hell doesn't seem to be having any fun. If everything's about him is a performance, a persona, or to be taken ironically or hyperbolically as a joke or a bit, then what's genuine anymore? I can't trust someone like that, who alienates everyone in the pursuit of being irreprehensible and unaccountable for his words and actions.
1000% this. especially in OoT, Arin doesn't care at all so he half-pays attention to everything and when he fucks up he blames "playing and commentating at the same time" or "the game didn't tell me" well, if you don't listen you shouldn't play it.
I learned a few things myself. Like how you can float over the clam in that one walkway where Arin dies (twice, I think). Dan should've been allowed to play this, since it was such a benchmark for Nintendo, a chunk of history for the company. Didn't Danny say at one point in Mario Galaxy that he wanted to play through all the important games? Arin should be nicer to Dan, and let that actually happen.
A common defense I see against Arin's pure stupidity and ineptitude at these games is that he has ADHD, which I 100% think is a cop out. I've had ADHD my entire life, it doesn't make it so you can not focus or retain information, it means that you have difficulty focusing on things that don't interest you so if Arin's ADHD is to blame here that 100% means he's never given a shit about the game and is just phoning it in but then turns around and blames the game for himself not paying attention.
As someone with ADHD and has tried doing a letsplay series (shameless plug out of the way), it's understandable that he would have trouble playing the game well and commentating, but he has a cohost with him to do the commentating for him.
I disagree. I have adhd and especially when not medicated i miss important lines in movies or games and end up being lost. Sometimes i listen but dont absorve anything said without me noticing. Arin has it on a worse level than me, but whats really annoying is how he blames the game and not himself.
23:25 Oh, how I appreciate the irony of Arin praising _observing and waiting_ for events mechanics on Majora's Mask as his favorite aspect of the game, haha. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's a genius concept and I love it, but when you take into consideration his stupid "too much waiting" criticism of OoT, the hypocrisy really shines through, haha.
Welcome to arin. his only well constructed argument was the megaman video. everything else he says is phrased terribly because he can't formulate a proper argument in short durations so he has to blurt out the first thing he thinks of. which is usually "wtf this game sucks"
Just because both combat systems can use lock-on, that doesn't mean they're the same, there are far more differences than there are similarities. And that's without even mentioning the lack of technical limitations and polishing that souls games have compared to OoT. It's funny that people like you call him an idiot, yet can't distinguish apples from oranges. Don't get me wrong, he's an idiot, you're just both idiots.
ShadowMark Has anybody called you out on being an idiot yet? nobody once spoke about lock-on. it's the waiting aspect that Arin hates with a passion. Dark souls is absolutely full of waiting, and is about 15x more punishing when you don't wait, than in Oot when not waiting means your weapon bounces off of what you tried to hit or you get half a heart taken out of your 10 or so hearts. In dark souls, a mistake like that usually costs you 80% of your health or your life. Dark souls and Ocarina of Time are surprisingly similar in their combat systems, but the games are obviously meant for different types of gamers. Arin is not good at video games. in all of the dark souls playthroughs he summons through most bosses and they either carry him or sacrifice themselves for him. In Ocarina, he carries multiple fairies and still gets wiped, indiscriminately on most bosses. Arin is just incompetent on levels I hadn't personally seen before, and as someone who mostly has grumps playthroughs on as background noise, this was eye opening as fuck.
Hiddenforever69 "Has anybody called you out on being an idiot yet?" Read your entire comment, still wondering when you're going mention how I'm apparently an idiot. "nobody once spoke about lock-on." nobody once spoke about why the games were similar, so I made the assumption that he meant the one thing that both games obviously have in common. "it's the waiting aspect that Arin hates with a passion." I could argue that waiting is *much* less of an aspect in the combat of DkS than in OoT. I could argue that half of Arin's point about there being "so much god damn waiting" doesn't even have to do with the combat, and rather the tedious meandering about, fetch quests and grueling exposition, which those elements aren't present in DkS. I could argue that DkS is not necessarily more punishing than OoT in the way that you have in mind due to the prevalence of estus and bonfires in each location that replenish everything. But instead, I'll just give you this point, because it doesn't matter in the slightest, they're still completely different games and your comment changes nothing. The rest of your comment serves no purpose, not that the first part of it really had any to begin with, it seems like you more agree with me than disagree, so I have no idea why you think I'm an idiot.
Watching arin play this game is like watching a toddler play: he doesn’t win and he’s like "THIS GAME SUCKS IT’S THE WORST! He wins and he’s like "This game isn’t so bad, I like it actually"
I don't care what anyone says, you are a god send for making this. Okay. Maybe "Godsend" is a bit much, but no matter what the incoming torrent of angry fanboys say; you sir, are incredible.
The things that Arin claims that he wants in an ideal video-game, are things that he wouldn't actually want in games. He struggled so much in Botw and complained about it, despite the fact it's technically his ideal game.
His brand has become complaining about every game ever and never having a good time. Using walkthroughs, skipping dialogue, repetitive poop jokes, bland voices, stereotypes, and recall jokes that were good in the past.
If shit wasn't on his path of consoles growing up, he doesn't care for it if it became popular; he went NES > SNES > PS1, so OoT was out of his scope in its day. Same reason why he can't really get on with classic Sonic.
I couldn't watch his BOTW videos. I don't know if he ever equipped armor, but I remember getting so frustrated at him running around naked and then acting shocked and confused that enemies were stomping him in two or three hits. It was not entertaining to watch.
Arin is a much bigger threat then DSP. Why? He has a massive fanbase and they will believe what shit spews from his mouth. With DSP himself, his opinion on everything is a complete joke and he already has a bad rep. I can't believe Arin forgot he had the bombs and he couldn't count the total of his rupee's. Just terrible.
someshyguy Atleast Arin's inept and stubbornness is primarily focused on OOT, often waning when it comes to other titles. DSP is pretty much a cesspool of all of that on every conceivable image, video, and form of media involving him.
The worst thing about this is now the game will be tainted in Dan's eyes and he'll never give it (along with every game Arin bashed for his incompetence) a fair chance
I have faith that Dan can see the beauty in this game. There are times in the playthrough (and this video) that he says he’s enjoying what he sees and likes the look of it. He’s also had genuine moments of shock and awe like at Shieks reveal. Dan sees all games as most works of art. Arin... the less I say about him the better.
Colton Waters I also feel bad for Dan he’s said the reason he rarely plays anything that isn’t multiplayer or an NES game is because he’s self conscious about playing bad. Though honestly it was a missed opportunity to not have Dan play this and Mario 64. He would’ve been a lot more optimistic and I can’t see him being any worse than Arin
Oh definitely. Nobody ever really complains about Dan playing bad because he even claims that he's not very good at video-games. People normally complain about Arin because he's so cocky and when something doesn't go his way, he just blames the game for it instead of admitting to his mistakes and horrible attention span. Paper Mario TTYD is a perfect example of that. Arin honestly made the series almost unwatchable with all of his pointless complaining while Dan was just having a good time with the game while Arin sat in the backseat criticizing the game for all of it's "flaws". (Not that TTYD is perfect by any means) And when they were stuck, Dan would almost have something figured out and Arin would just step in and be like "NO THAT'S WRONG" and halt progress even more because he doesn't want to think outside the box.
Colton Waters It’s pretty relieving to know that Jon left when he did. If he stayed on the show, he’d probably start having incredibly high blood pressure from Arins ineptitude.
What's funny is that, if you watch speedruns of this game and Majora's Mask, a good amount of Link's movement IS just him sliding across the ground using a glitch.
tom red - Eh. His Mega Man and Castlevania episodes are on point. He just got cocky with the success of the first two episodes and completely shit the bed with the Zelda one. I would point anyone to the Mega Man episode if the random stupid "humor" of his was edited out.
The MegaMan X video was great. The Zelda one had him contradicting himself completely. He likes knowing where to go, yet likes how things were done more in Zelda 1, a game where they literally don't tell you where to go
The TIHYDP that made me learn how useful Deku Nuts are. Also, as someone with ADHD, it still eternally frustrates me how so many people say Arin's problems are because of ADHD. That's NOT how ADHD works. You have trouble when you have to focus on ONE thing. The fact that he's in an environment with several sources of stimuli that he can bounce between should actually make this easier for him. Given, I'm not an expert. So maybe I'm totally wrong and ADHD actually presents differently depending on the person, but I've seen plenty of other people claiming to have ADHD that have the same experience I have.
I know right? It runs in my family pretty bad. Both my dad and my sister have it and it's pretty bad in both of them. I know what it's like. Arin is just being a shitlord, it's not because of any learning disability, unless simply *refusing to learn, period,* is a disorder now.
Oh my, I can't comment on this because I was completely inept at my own Master Quest playthrough, but Arin criticizes this game super hard and then blames it on the game instead of his lack of skill.
I never got past the Forest Temple in Master Quest, mainly because of basically just giving up after Jabu Jabu's Belly, which was confusing becase switches inside of cows inside of walls isn't very normal.
mike hutchinson That's kind of weird, I breezed through the master quest water temple when I played it and found it easier than the normal water temple. Maybe I got lucky though
I played OoT with two old-school game guide books (one was a more interpret-what-this-means story one and the other was a proper guide) and I still never completed it. Mostly due to Dark Link killing me and setting me back to the start of the Water Temple, and my getting totally lost trying to get back and giving up. But even before that, I played around with my dad's completed save file just screwing around in the overworld and seeing how all the different items worked. And even at 7 years old, I still managed to work out that pressing the C-button while the Hookshot is firing will recall it instantly, and that holding it down will prime it to fire when you release. Because I had the curiosity to experiment with the game and figure things out for myself, and had the understanding that the game would allow me to and expect me to. And also that the shield exists _(COUGH)_ But Arin? 1:28:28 Arin, an "experienced" gamer who bemoans how in-intuitive and obvious this game is, plays the game by spamming every attack button and item like it's LttP, and complains about how the game is beyond redemption because he can't progress by doing so. Or complains about how the game isn't telling him what to do when it was literally spelled out for him four seconds prior.
It's amazing that Arin hates the fire temple for being a confusing mess and having to have you backtrack, yet he loves Resident Evil so much even though it's the most confusing convaluted and backtrack ass game ever made. But it's not Zelda so it's good there.
Having sat through this entire video...no, there isn't a single valid criticism of this game in it. It's simultaneously too easy, too hard, too linear, too labyrinthine, offers way too much advice, requires a walkthrough to beat the majority of the dungeons... It boils down to one simple fact: Arin isn't good enough for Ocarina of Time. Not good enough to criticize it, not good enough to play it. DSP has a better showing with Zelda games, and he plays them blind! Jesus fucking fuck. How does this guy have fans?
That moment when you just want to have someone walk into the room, deck the fuck out of Arin, and finish the game properly yourself, showing Dan how good the game actually is.
This channel exists, plain and simple. People enjoy these videos to the point where they think any crap Arin shits out is good entertainment and will not let you tell them otherwise. And yes, he constantly makes contradictory points, which I'd argue is the one thing from this video that did transfer over to the 2016 LP, especially since he doubles down on nearly everything said here.
1:16:57 This comment made me realize a core issue in why I started to disagree with Arins playstyle so much. There is this smaller youtuber named Robert Moran. Known for Jimmy: The World of Warcraft story, Unforgotten Realms and other various projects. A few years ago Rob was starting a new youtube roleplaying series where he and his group of friends play a casual D&D style game that tries to lean more into the ROLEPLAY part of the game, rather than the +5 to this -2 to that. It's all good fun. I love Rob. Well. In one of the early streams of the system, Rob called in some guests to drum up some hype for this new series. One was, I think the music composer of Shovel Knight and the other was Arin. The game was... Fine. Most of the group was very much into the roleplay aspect of the game and had a lot of fun in-character. That is, except for Arin. Reading the timestamped comment reminded me of that stream. Arin was, like he always is. Impatient, trigger happy and a distraction. I think his final act in the game was to set a building on fire, just because. My memory is spotty after several years, but I remember the way he played. And it made me realize something. Arins opinions of games stem from their mechanics and how well they play. It seems so obvious, but this is huge for me. Because it finally made me realize why I disagree with so many ideas that Arin has voiced over the years. I couldn't give a shit about gameplay if there is either and amazing story to get sucked into, or an immersive world for me to sink my teeth into. When Arin walks out of Links treehouse for the first time, he only sees a choppy N64 level with the goal of getting the sword and shield. I hear the music and see the little particles in the air and my imagination fills in all the holes. I see and smell a vibrant forest, like the ones I used to wander around in when I was a child. I'm interested in what the characters tell me and want to see the world and the story unfold. When you pace around a Stalfos with your shield up, Arin sees WAITING. I see an intense duel with an undead abomination, its glowing red eyes gleaming from its hollow eye sockets as it scrapes its bent and rusted blade across its beaten round shield menacingly. This doesn't matter to Arin. It's just a video game. It explains SO MUCH. Arins adhd, the impatience, the complete failure to absorb any information or showing interest in the world outside of how it relates to gameplay. Arin is a purely mechanical gamer without that interest in roleplaying or immersion. I haven't seen him in any other roleplaying situations, but I reckon he doesn't get into his character and defaults to just... You know. Himself. I think I understand why I dislike him so much a little better now. Playing like shit doesn't help either.
Other people have criticized the story better, saying it's a pretty basic Hero's Journey plot, the characters are walking exposition dumpers with no personality, the cutscenes are unskippable, etc. All Arin ever did in Sequelitis was complain about the story getting in the way of gameplay, which it does, but the buck stops there. "Critical in-depth analysis" my ass.
There's a moment in the Grumps' playthrough of the original NES Legend of Zelda that I think perfectly demonstrates the difference between Arin and Dan's approach to gaming. They talk about the primitive NES graphics and how kids got invested in the games despite how blocky and abstract they looked. Dan said it was because his imagination filled in the blanks and he could envision himself in a dungeon full of Stalfos. Arin said it was because he knew the enemies were programmed a specific way and he had to quickly learn how to work around it. That speaks volumes. Arin thinks like a game designer; Dan thinks like an explorer. Arin wants to get from point A to point B as quickly as possible; Dan wants to appreciate everything a game's world has to offer.
Also just sayin I've had adhd for 34 years and I hate how Arin plays and agree with everything you say here been a fan for years but unsubbed due to Arin's lack of interest in ANY thing he plays I coulddeal with Danny playing all sierra games and Arin just playing bloodborne a game he loves over and over again instead of anything he says or does now.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 I think the story has less to do with the characters and more with the environment and lush world. The NPCs like the ones in Hyrule have tons of personality. It's a little like a Ghibli film in that regard
I've always wondered why Arin never uses the shield. Because it's not just in 3D Zelda, he does it in 2D Zelda as well. Hell, in every game he plays in general he seems to just never defend. If you have to do anything besides jumping to avoid damage, it doesn't register in Arins head, it seems.
So this is what a "try not to lose your shit" challenge on youtube would look like... Jokes aside, that was truly painful to go through, and I loved how even the author is losing his shit as the video goes XD
![Menace from the North, eh! [Episode 7 - Part 1]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/C_8o7a1YSVo/mqdefault.jpg)
Arin is the reason there is a third timeline.
Watching this comp a year later, I actually took something from this playthrough after getting off my lazy ass and actually deciding to finally playthrough this game in full instead of dropping it repeatedly.
You can hookshot the Stalfos and stun them. This actually helped a lot.
Linky well since a link to the past is his favorite he’ll probably take that as a compliment
Arrin created the "Hero fails" timeline 😁
Linky This is the sickest burn ive ever heard.
Green Tees honestly, I gotta hand it to the Grumps. Never thought about doing that.
"I like Majora's Mask a lot more than I like this game"
_Quit Majora's Mask because he didn't want to pick up any upgrades and wasn't good enough to progress any further_
And ignores to pick up fairies
And didn't realize there in fact was a shortcut to Gomess.
Or didn't play the fucking 3ds version fo4 better quality or gameplay.
@@CaptainHemlok Though, to be fair, if he did do the 3ds version he would have just complained about how they wrecked the Zora swimming mechanic
Shit even I beat Majora's mask.
BUT that bombers notebook man. I was still missing a couple..
It took me a long while to figure it out, but I finally realize something major:
Arin doesn't even know what he likes.
Pong... and Megaman X.
Maybe his wife?
That one is still debatable.
What ever people will watch and give him Money for
"Starting shit."
BeansRabbit Most people don't. Some know that about themselves and can be more specific in analysis of their ideas. Arin seems to be in the former category.
It's comforting to see Dan get progressively more passive aggressive to Arin being stupid
he was roasting his ass hotter than the fire temple
he was essentially slamming all of the commenters rage against him, because Arin makes DSP look like a God amongst men when it comes to Zelda
Matt Trulock i makes me laugh more and more how even dans patience is running out
Which is a fucking feat in and of itself because holy hell is Dan patient with idiots...
I think it would be funny if someday Dan would just sucker punch Arin, take the controller, and -make Game Grumps a more enjoyable show- play the game himself.
Arin's worst enemies:
-Patience.
-Reading.
-Clams.
-Shield.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 -Arin.
@@MrLego3160 -Dan.
To be fair I love Ocarina of time to death but fuck those clams
@@PhantomTheMate I will admit.. that part i too hated. Because you have to time it precise when it closes and jams it shut or something. I never understood the logic in that weakness XD
How does he complain about the ice cavern making him slide around when he wears the stupid hover slippers the rest of the god damn game.
I paused so often to catch my breath from frustration, that I seriously forgot he complained about that.
He's an idiotic hypocrite, obviously.
Just had a question in mind. since it wouldn't happen by mere happenstance, what would happen if you wear the hover boots on ice? Is it more slippery, or unaffected?
Oh my God, I forgot about that. 😤😧
@@ImPersonNation
It makes sense that it would be unaffected, because they're just as slippery on land as they are while doing their hover, so while wearing hover boots it's really them that create the "friction", the floor just keeps you at a consistent height and stabilized the hover so it never breaks down (until you leave solid ground).
>picks up bomb bag
>five seconds later
"Do I get the bomb bag in this area?"
oh my god ...
Dan's sick burn was perfect.
>Obtains iron boots.
>Watches Sheik cutscene.
>Can’t leave the room.
>Wonders if he got the iron boot.
>Looks in his inventory for the iron boots.
Oh my God...
during the video some comments are made about whether the game holds up and if Arin's criticism holds water. After watching this video that debate no longer means anything to me. OOT does show it's age, but people are not mad that Arin is pointing that out, they're mad because if you had never played OOT and then saw this play through you'd think OOT was a broken piece of garbage. Not only is this not accurate, it's completely disingenuous. Arin's lack of skill and borderline infantile attention span are not the game's fault.
Unleashed was my favorite Sonic game. I ducked out early on cause I realized what Arin was doing when he used the Wii version. How bad was it?
I was getting the impression that this is a cryptic game. Im not saying that thats actualy TRUE, Im saying that thats what it seemed like as someone whos never played this, watching the footage above.
Omer Srour drifting in Unleashed = using the shield in OOT, among other things
The Hammurabi Chode generally it's not, Navi talks you through most of the game, and if not her, you can find an NPC with some information. Like jamesfleming0007 said, so long as youre not an infant, the game really isn't too difficult.
As a Sonic fan, I no longer like Adventure and I never liked Unleashed. Not every Sonic fan likes every game in the series.
Arin loves Link to the Past so much that he keeps killing Link in an attempt to make that particular timeline a reality.
I don't understand what you're saying, but I can gleam the fact that it should have more likes
@@thehammurabichode7994According to Nintendo's official Zelda timeline after ocarina of time the timeline splits into 2 different things
1. Link wins which leads to twilight princess and botw
2. Link dies which leads to Zelda 1, 2, and link to the past
@@Foxplayer091did you forget the 3rd Timeline, the Adult one where Wind Waker & Phantom Hourglass happens, I know you meant to clear it up, but you can’t forget the 3rd timeline
This was the playthrough that really steered me off of Game Grumps. It was really off-putting to hear unfounded criticisms in nearly every episode simply because Arin refuses to actually understand the game mechanics. He wants instant gratification for the way he plays and when that doesn't happen it suddenly becomes a fault of the game, rather than his play style.
That and he absolutely despises 3D Zelda games.
This showed in Game Grumps Dark Souls 3 playthrough.
"This game is easy"
Proceeds to use a walkthrough and die stupidly several times while blaming the game
The best part is when he was bashing on the Fire Temple while saying the Water Temple is easier, and then cut to Water Temple. Hard to believe you believe that, Arin.
"This temple's not hard,"
*must look at walkthrough for nearly all of the temple*
tbf the temple is less challenging and moreso just confusing for the water temple
Okay but even I have to use a walkthrough for the water temple and I've played through OoT like 16 times lol
@@smallgator I don't. Not even hard. I haven't needed a walkthrough for it in ages. Dark Link isn't even a challenge. My trick is that I make mental notes of landmarks. I get through it so quick anymore.
To be fair, I've been using Zelda Dungeon's walkthrough while playing through OoT. But then, I know I suck and I've never once claimed to not suck or have terrible sense of direction.
And I mostly just use it so I don't miss any collectibles, like gold tokens or heart pieces.
"The Water Temple is so easy I'll beat it so quickly."
*Struggles through even with a walkthrough*
All My Best Friends Are Metalheads I fucking love your username
I actually 100% bricked a save in the water temple. I forget how but basically the last key I need is stuck behind a door I can’t access somehow, no clue how but basically I wasted a key on the wrong door. That place is BRUTAL in the original version. Nowhere near that on the DS from what I’m told
All My Best Friends Are Metalheads
when i was 10-11 i beat it first try without one
Zion Sairin
Even though that's impossible, unless you were sequence breaking, which I highly doubt you did. In which case, you just missed a key obviously, and possibly restarted the whole file for no reason, other than you thought the game was soft locked from any form of progression.
Byron Lyons i spent like 8 hours checking every room I could reach, I ended using googling it and basically I used a key I was supposed to use to get the Longshot or something on a different door and the only key left requires said longshot. I’m stupid, but I think I do still have that save. I’ll check it again
The only thing worse and more painful than Arin's sheer incompetence at a game he talked so much shit about like it wasn't his fault is the amount of people defending him in the comment section.
I'm personally not defending him. I mean he does suck. I'm just not going to shit on him for it. XD I mean why should I? He's the reason I actually wanted to play oot.
Amber Beilschmidt-Jones The thing is he admmited plenty of times things were his fault and he was being a dumb dumb.
Mister Tago Mago I know. That's my entire thing.
People aren't shitting on him for merely sucking. They're shitting on him because he attributes his inability to play the game to _the game_ being bad, rather than...well, his inability to play the fucking game. Who the fuck dies over 20 times in a single playthrough of OoT? I've only ever had a small handful of deaths across all the times I've played it, and I'm not even a "pro"; I'm just not incompetent and I'm actually willing to _learn how the goddamn game works._
People literally still got pissed in the parts where he apologized for his mistakes. They got pissed when he he chose to kill Moblins with bombs (which he had no problem doing) instead of the the cheaper method of using a switch hook. He calmly pointed out once he felt some of the puzzles just felt like busy work and moved on but the comment section made a big deal out of it. He pointed out stuff he was wrong about in his sequelitas. He didnt just spend the entire time blaming the game for his own mistakes like you guys want to believe.
People are mad because they cant handle seeing people play their vidya games poorly. It happens on James and Mike mondays videos too. Some people simply have trouble holding commentary and playing games but theres proof around that these guys can indeed play well.
Arin continually just bashes his head into a wall and is mad when it doesn't work.
The Dark Link fight exposes the hell out of him.
1) He never uses his shield unless it's literally required, but Dark Link does and it's stonewalling him. According to Arin, it's bullshit.
2) He skims a walkthrough but doesn't do it right, and then gets mad that the walkthrough is 'wrong'.
3) Every time he dies, he charges right back to the fight with almost no preparation. More hearts? Fairies? Nah.
4) Once he figures out the cheese strat, suddenly he's in a good mood again, shocker.
God forbid something require him to alter his approach or think critically.
Man, dungeon layouts are so difficult to remember. If only I had a MAP to help guide me through these temples...
WOW. Lets take your amazing idea and make it better by making it accessible by pressing one ,YES PEOPLE YOU HEARD IT RIGHT. Just one button to open it. ORDER NOW
I’m honestly under the impression that Arin can’t read.
alp2va inset funny music
And I really wish that part of that map was constantly on the corner of my screen.
@@deeta000 Less "can't read" and more "hates to read". This is the same guy who gets the basic story beats of Zelda 1/LttP/OoT wrong.
"This is how you DON'T Play Ocarina of Time"
*>2 hours and 40 minutes long*
_oh boy_
The Insomniac As JonTron once said, "OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH!"
Slidey McG And this is the shortened montage
I have my popcorn ready
I am not even sure phill has any how you don;t plays THIS long. but if there is let me know I kinda wanna know.
Oh yeah?
Just watch " This is how you don't play Majora's Mask Game Grumps Edition."
*_4 Hours and fifty some minutes. All of it justified._*
Strap in for the long haul.
I just don't see how it's possible to be *this* inept at Ocarina of Time, especially after his overblown "analysis" video.
Lmao keep deflecting the game is shit no matter how good you are at it
What I've learned from watching this is that Arin refuses to adapt to any situation. At all. If his strategy of 2D Zelda sword swinging isn't working, then that must mean you have to wait and not find a faster, riskier, overall better way to fight it. I like him more than most people, but Arin's stubborn and jaded personality is what prevents him from enjoying this game. I wish he'd just admit he hates the legacy behind it and stop blaming the game for his own incompetence.
TheManicNorm yeah for example in sequelitis he complains 3D made it impossible to hit bats with your sword even with z-targeting.... ignoring the fact that the place where you first encounter bats is where you get your slingshot. Heck I don’t believe you are capable of encountering bats without the slingshot unless you play master quest
Even then if you think about it just raise your shield, wait for the bat to hit it and push the sword button...presto you don't even need the fucking slingshot and even the kokiri sword can reach it.
You do realize that wasn’t his only arguments right? He talked about the pace of the game as well and the argument about the roadblocks which is completely accurate
Rikudou Goku true but a link to the past had several road blocks as well and his favorite 3D zelda game at the time Majora’s mask (I’m pretty sure he considers breath of the wild better) has arguably even more roadblocks than Ocarina. And his annoyance of the amount of waiting in combat. Waiting adds strategy and stops it from being dull and repetitive. Don’t believe me? Play star fox adventures then we’ll talk
Kyle Campbell Yeah but the difference in a link to the past , is that the roadblocks aren’t asinine story tasks that interrupt the game , like Watching a cutscene or walking to an area to click A on someone to hear them talk. Link to the past just allows you to get the book and shit . which is still gameplay
"I'm bad at it, therefore it's bad"
Arin in a nutshell
This and it's really unfortunate because all he has to say is "I just don't like 3D Zelda games" and while a lot of people would say "How can you NOT like 3D Zelda games?!" even more people would say "I get it. Not every game is for everyone." and go about their lives. But because he feels the need to push his opinion as fact he ends up making a fool of himself and pissing off a lot of people who easily call out his bullshit.
Wupar lol honestly arin doesn't know what he wants he contradicts him self all the time
@@Edward-Not-Elric And let's not forget the time he straw-manned Ocarina of Time fans in his Zelda Sequalitis video by portraying them as big, unbathed losers who exist only to be shouted down by him.
egoraptor is the reason I can't watch the Game Grumps, not even the Jontron years. I'll make it through one video before I just get fucking sick of hearing Arin whining and switch over to someone else's LP of a game.
Its infuriating watching him play.
@@ElvenRaptor To be fair, that was in reference to people how he knew would make an angry response before watching the entire video
This is the best rebuttal to Sequelitis
Complains about Volvagia being able to one-shot him
Literally hasn't gotten even ONE heart container from Pieces of Heart
"Volvagia keeps one shotting me, this boss sucks!"
my brother in christ there were 6 extra hearts maximum you could have right now if you actually played the zelda game like a zelda game...
@@cannon9009 Also when Arin played Dark Souls for the very first time on Grumps
"Holy shit this first boss can one-shot you, that what makes it so cool."
Btw never played Souls so maybe there is context for why that's more fair, but also, would like context for why it's not good on this boss maybe please.
"What's the song of time?"
What's the most useful three notes in Majora's Mask, your 'favorite' modern Zelda game? How do you not know this?
Never mind, apparently he doesn't know the most basic things about the plot to Link to the Past either ... jesus ...
he doesnt even like majoras mask, he was lying anyway lol
Omnirok12 istg if arin acts up again I’m done
At least Arin was able to finish OoT without Ragequitting like he did to his "favorite modern Zelda", Majora's Mask.
Which is funny cause he was at the last temple in the game. stone tower. All he needed to do was beat that mini boss then the main boss and then majora
They have finished it now. The playlist is up on their channel.
Don't forget Arin's condescending message he had on why he quit
@@ideadlift20kg83 And what an embarassing few episodes they were. Literally hand held through the whole thing. The cherry on top was how he complained the last boss was too easy while using the fierce diety mask.
@@Ian_Comics at least he went back to fight him with just Link. I think that was an acceptable note to end on. I preferred the latter like 15 episodes.
I think being bad at a game doesnt exclude you from being entertaining. You can be awful and still find an entertaining way to present the video.
Yelling at the game for your own failures and making arguments that are objectively wrong is not one of those ways
It's pretty entertaining when compiled into a TIHYDP video, though.
The actual series itself, however...
I know this comment is very old but you're 100% correct. Watching people play a game that they're new to or bad at can be entertaining if they admit they're bad and play off that.
Then again thats the difference between a man baby and a comedian
@@cryptid-king
Brutal.
It becomes Darksyde Phil humor, ironically funny because the person has become a lolcow.
i don't think anyone said it didn't
You know you are bad at this game if Lucajins blind play through of Oot went smoother than a play through with someone who's played through the game a couple times in the past.
Collin Drey
How well did she do?
ImmaLittlePip Watch her playthrough and find out.
How about being worse then someone playing the game blind.
Except the person is actually blind.
That is an actual thing by the way.
Collin Drey dude i loved lucahjins playthrough! I love how she had other TH-camrs play as the "sages"
Collin Drey Everything about Lucah’s playthrough was much more enjoyable than this playthrough because Lucah wasn’t bitching about the game the whole time.
Game Theory: "Is Arin Hanson the new DSP of Video games?"
If you watch any Memology101 videos, he makes DSP sound like a genius with out-of-context quotes. It's fucking mind blowing.
I love it when Dan is being savage.
Like...
You have to be a special kind of terrible to annoy Dan.
So Arin?
Of course, because Arin has the patience of a 10-year-old on a sugar rush, any game that makes you wait for more than 2 seconds to do something is a bad game -_-
Also, Gerudo Fortress was probably the most excruciating part in any GG series ever. Arin's ineptitude plus his forced fake raging was so hard to watch
I always found him raging funny. XD Plus the fortress can get frustrating if you keep getting caught.
Yeah... but no one gets caught 21 freaking times and at least use arrows the first/second time through which is more effective than the hookshot. Arin’s just horrendously impatient. Sure I got a few laughs here and there but when he keeps bashing at the game to cover his own incompetence, it gets annoying REAL fast. Hence why I can’t stand his Majoras Mask playthrough.
I beat OOT when I was 9 years old. Please don't insult my past self's intelligence like that.
Bruh when that one bitch holds you down because the hitbox went behind the shield does.... anger me
@@NavyPheonix I played it at 7, got scared/traumatised first by the forest temple (somehow beat it, despite being scared as shit) and then gave up on the bottom of the well. The "brain-sucker" as it is called in german, just freaked me out so ahrd, i didn't touch the game until iwas 12. x)
I have to be honest
I love Danny but one of my biggest gripes with new game grumps is that Dan doesn't play video games anymore even when there is a 2 player option
Jon and Arin would switch back and forth between a single player game and it was hilarious
They even did a small compilation of every time Jon took the control of sonic 06
Those moments are what I missed from the Jon era
Yeah if only Danny didn't quit playing video games when 3D became a thing
If Jon was there he could take the controls from Arin and show how you're supposed to play the game and call him out on his bullshit
ImmaLittlePip Dan stated the reason he rarely plays games on the show is he’s self conscious about his skills
@@kylecampbell565 can't be worse than Arin. And Shit it's supposed to be a show about playing games........
Danny is also too agreeable
@@kylecampbell565 The difference is: people don't care when Dan is bad because he _admits_ that he's bad. This playthrough was wasted on Arin. Not only would his sequelitis points have been proven/disproven if Dan played, but I really think Dan would have enjoyed this game. Shadow Of The Colossus is one of their best playthroughs because we watched a man fall in love with a game.
"YOU SAW I WAS BLOCKING"
Wow, Arin, it's almost as if after getting hit by that attack through shield 3 times, anyone would realize that the last hit pierces shield, and that THAT attack specifically is what sends you back to your cell if you get hit by it. Neat. Hey, remember the sidestep and backflip dodges in this game?
the few times he even uses his shield and he suddenly thinks he's invincible. smh
Zenith Tempest So what he did wrong is assuming that the shield will keep blocking after the first 3 hits were blocked
instead of you needing to use the dodges you (I?) never use unless you're using the big goron sword?
After multiple times of it happening... Yeah.
You know, I always have wondered, do those dodges have i-frames? Because if so, I’d be shocked. That means... DARK SOULS IS JUST ADULT OCARINA OF TIME!
I also saw him slide into the attack because of the hover boots.
Thank you for including all the times Dan's patience ran out, those were some of the funniest moments.
Also this bat montage is sending my sides into orbit.
I do think people don't like how Arin talks about it because he's such a hypocrite about it and misses things that are incredibly obvious, and really doesn't do well at all in even simple things in here.
LOL the epic demon music when the Hover Boots appear.
Arin: Yeah yeah I know, I've played this a million times
Dan: That was hard for me to tell
Great editing
My least favorite part about this playthrough wasn't that Arin was bad at the game - it was the apparent strain that Arin put on his relationship with Dan in this series. Arin was soooo negative and bitchy the entire time, and you can hear Dan struggling to keep the feel of the show light and friendly - and Arin just couldn't stop being insufferable and remember he's doing a comedy show. It's super evident in the water temple - Dan's super uncomfortable with how shitty Arin seems to be acting.
I dunno, weird observation but it really bugged me through the course of this series.
Same here. For me it was the "STUPID FUCKING TARGETING SYSTEM HE WAS RIGHT IT FRONT OF ME!!"
If he would JUST. USE. A DEKU NUT...or wait in an open space to boomerang the Green Skull.
Well, to be fair they warned us in the intro, Aaron is grump and Dan is not so grump.
Being grump does not mean shitting on the game for your incompetence.
Man, Dans literally the only reason I even watch Game Grumps anymore.
Its the fucking water temple! anybody would be pissed on that temple, fuck that temple.
Even dan is just like
"Come on dude."
Dan is just afraid of being fired really
@@BanjoLisztproject Yeah he wouldn't be able to use the line "I'm a Game Grump baby!" anymore when sliding into those young girls DMs.
@@BlackMetalHeart99 bruh
"You shoot them and they stun enemies, but they're pretty worthless."
Ask literally any speedrunner, Deku Nuts are the most overpowered item in this game.
Any speed runner worth his freaking salt will tell you that bombs are the most powerful item in the game, no contest. Hovers, clips, weird shots, damage abusing, etc etc etc. Bombs easily take that spot. Deku nuts ARE highly underrated for their stun factor, as well as killing some hard to hit enemies like the floating mantas in Jabu's belly.
DarthFennec Ah yes, speedrunners, the average player.
Hibub Games yes also known as players who took the time to read item descriptions and the instruction booklet....and eventualy figured out the game on a deeper level, BASED ON GAME MECHANICS/PHYSICS/INTERACTIONS ANY AVERAGE PLAYER COULD COME ACROSS
有りさと港 Reading item descriptions and the instruction manual won't help you understand the game that well, from my experience.
Hibub Games - Deku Nuts are extremely useful even for casual players. They have the amazing effect of reducing the WAITING that Arin complains so much about. In so many of his playthroughs, he doesn't use all the tools available to him and complains when his comfortable strategy (usually MASH THE ATTACK BUTTON) doesn't work anymore.
Off the top of my head, Deku Nuts can:
- extinguish any of the varieties of flaming skulls and make them vulnerable
- interrupt the attacks of Gerudo guards, Stalfos, and Lizalfos and leave them open for a jump attack
- stun the laser statues
- reveal the living statues and/or stun them
- stun Floormasters and Wallmasters and kill them when they split
- instantly kill those annoying bubbles in Jabu-Jabu in a wide AoE
- instantly kill the jellyfish in Jabu-Jabu, and this also works on the jellyfish that surround Barinade
- instantly kill the bats
- stun the flying stingrays and make them pop out of the ground or fall down
- clear the ghost clones of the Forest Temple mini-boss and reveal the main one
- stunlock Dark Link and trivialise the fight
- damage Ganon and trivialise the fight, you can kill him with only Deku Nuts
They're one of the most versatile items in the entire game if you experiment with them, there aren't many enemies you can't use them on.
I can only imagine how painful this was to make.
My condolences.
I'm starting to notice that whenever Arin's getting mad at something, he usually forgot a hint because he was talking over it making innuendos.
For anyone who loves Ocarina and has played it backwards and forwards, this video is more effective than water boarding
GoddyofWar heck I've only played this game twice and it's pretty agonizing.
And you both fuckin' know it. This was painful, I probably paused and walked off like 12 times.
Harus Streit lmao why did this video piss you off
I played through this game once as a kid, I remember absolutely nothing about this game and every part of it was a new experience to me, like seeing it for the first time. All I remembered was there was an Ocarina, a ninja dude, and swords.
Watching Arins play through was like a kick in the balls as I basically got nostalgia cucked.
I've beaten it once, not a big fan of it, & I still can't stand this shit.
"I like Majora's Mask more than I like this game."
With him actually playing it on Grumps now, I think his opinion may have changed. Just a little bit.
big fella he only said that to try to get "Zelda cred" as he even joked about himself.
big fella because I *refuse* to watch that playthrough, how bad is he doing?
Well, he was doing bad, then watched a speedrun, did great, then hes back to bad.
Chris C. He actually made *backwards* progress today if that gives you an idea of how it's going
I gave up on watching that let’s play. It’s PURE cringe. It’s actually making me want to unsubscribe but also make a compilation like this... but i don’t have the sanity like this brave soul to do it. Nor the fucking time cause ARIN KEEPS WASTING IT BY MAKING ZERO FUCKING PROGRESS!!!
......I’m sorry. Just slipped out. I mean it’s not like the man, who hates it when games wastes his time, is wasting MY time by watching him waste time... WHICH THE GAME IS FUCKING ABOUT!!!
As someone who doesn't watch GG at all, it occurs to me watching this video just how horribly unrelatable Arin is. The whole point of a casual playthrough like this it's supposed to feel like a bunch of friends getting together to play video games (and Dan seems to get this) but it's almost as if Arin does everything in his power to deliberately alienate his viewers by either being weird or just plain snobby.
Thank you for phrasing my weird suspicions and feelings so well. I think he's super tires of LPs but it's just too much easy money for no effort to let it go and he doesn't wanna fire his e̶m̶p̶l̶o̶y̶e̶e̶s̶ friends.
It's bizarre seeing Dan, someone who's normally relaxed and easy going, getting so fed up he starts challenging Arin's incessant whining about the game. When Jon was on the show Arin & Jon would constantly talk shit to each other in a way friends do. Now it's one calm, level-headed guy next to a man-child who rages at the game every time he fucks up.
Hence why, in my opinion, Oney Plays has always been the superior Let's Play channel.
@@harry426 or SuperMega honestly
I watched for so long and it was the Zelda LPs that turned me off. It was clear that Arin, the person playing the games (because dan... never plays for some reason?) Didn't want to play
Whenever someone cites the Zelda Sequelitis as a credible video, just show this.
Well, sent that shit to Caddicarus.
Nah. It's still great and valid. Even if Arin, himself, is invalid.
Doesn't invalidate the video, however, as most insecure fanboys of OoT desperately claim it does.
And this is me a person that can't stand Game Grumps.
@Antichrist2000 Well, there's no objectivity when it comes to liking or disliking a game, period.
Bias against the game? The game is twenty years old... It's bound to have blatant problems. After all it was the transitional stage between 2D to 3D for Nintendo. Any game has the right for criticism. Any *thing*, really. Especially the early 3D games spawned from the N64 or PS1. Because they have problems, objectively. That's why we have games the way they are made today and not twenty years ago.
@@charlie1234500 what criticisms? Z-targeting while constantly bringing up Skyward Sword's existence? This is exactly why Arin should stick solely with entertainment, because whenever he gives any sort of insight, it's mixed with memes and idiocy.
@@charlie1234500 By that logic games nowadays must be superior in every way, right? I don't think that's the case. There's plenty of 40-60 dollar games released today that are worse than ocarina of time. With games I don't think it's about making something perfect and flawless, because certain gameplay flaws are inevitable. "10/10 Ign Goty" games have glaring flaws. I think it's about how much the good things outweigh the flaws. It's not like a painting where you look at it from afar and admire it, games are experiences you invest a lot of time into. I can spend an hour picking apart shitty things about ocarina or skyward sword or link to the past, but it says nothing for how fun the overall experience is, or at most it says very little. You can probably make a 2 hour video arguing for or against any game within reason.
You can clearly tell Arin is looking at these games from afar and cherry picking without considering the entire experience and how it's woven together. The way he plays the games shows how he isnt knowledgable about the games themselves as a whole, dungeon design, world design, etc, just about a couple of nitpicks he has formed. But that's my observation.
during the playthrough i really wanted to defend arin against all the people calling him out and stuff, but watching it all mashed up like this is just embarrassing and crazy to hear him try and talk shit on this game lol
Dude, same. I was like 'Come on guys, let Arin have his opinion.', but that was tough watching him wear the hover boots he hates so much for like 20 episodes.
2:08:04 " none of these enemies are difficult to fight" Arin eating his own words
i like when dan gets sassy with him when he knows hes fucking up
"I'm gonna show you how not hard the water temple is"
"F**KING CLAMS!"
-Arin Hanson.
"Complicated enemies are an absolute joy to fight!"
*Keeps blocking Gerudo spin attack after seeing that it knocks you down* "God this enemy makes no sense!"
-Also Arin Hanson.
*Attacks enemies that dodge if you're too aggressive* "There is so much... GOD D**M WAITING... In Ocarina!"
*Attacks enemies normally and kills them in 10% of the time it did before* "Okay, fine, I guess I'll just wait forever."
-Also Arin Hanson as well.
Reminder that the "Hero Dies" part of the Zelda timeline is from the parallel universe in which Arin was in control of Link.
And then Dan ends up playing all the games in that timeline after Ocarina
24:24 "My favorite Zelda is probably Majora" - now we know better after Arin having a mental break down while playing majoras Mask. But we cant blame him, reading and remembering what you read is hard so it's the games fault
It always pisses me off when people excuse him by saying “oh but he’s talking as well, that makes it harder on him!” That might have worked when Grumps were one of the few channels that did this, but so many people do this with much harder games, and live for that matter, so it’s absolutely inexcusable. There is no denying that Arin is playing as best as he can during grumps
@@squidddinator In fact, when you're with a friend... you're arguably better at the game. I don't know, just feels that way.
that sequelitis really did an unfair comparison with gameplay
LttP was basically the height of the 2d adventure game where the gameplay was perfected by that point
OoT was experimental & new with the 3d perspective. they had to try & come up with entirely new ways to do combat
I made a horribly cringe response video making essentially this exact same argument. I don’t know how he thought that was a good basis for his entire argument.
2 years later and this is one of if not the best TIHYDPs ive ever seen. Editing was superb, comedy was on point, it never had a dull moment, and whenever Arin did something stupid you were always there to show us how it is done. I seriously hope you do more of these the past 2 almost 3 hours were magical.
You know, would have been funny if there were like a side-by-side, where left if GG, and the right is someone who knows what they're doing. Not a professional, but someone who actually cares.
@@ImPersonNation watch Friends Without Benefits. They're colloquially called Blue grumps, and they don't suck at games.
@@j.r.huffnstuff3549 Bayonetta however...
@@AkameGaKillfan777 They don't suck *as badly* as Arin. Lol
@@j.r.huffnstuff3549 The playthrough was ruined at the end. Not helping is how they skipped the credits.
Dan’s passive aggressive responses to Arin’s incompetence is the best thing about this. Jon would flat out tell him he’s stupid.
1:08:40 Arin "I've really mellowed out over the years"
HAH! Now that's a good one
Translation: I smoke weed so that means I'm totally mellowed out and chill brah
Green Purple no that’s not what he means
Green Purple I don't think he smokes weed? Though if he was high while playing this it would explain a lot actually
Hello There Look at the majoras mask plathrough and tell me he has. Its not that hes mellowed out, its just that he goes into a different variety of rage.
Hello There he hasnt mellowed out since then.
55:03 You putting in creative stuff like this to disprove Arin makes this video even better. Hope to see you do more of these videos.
*Hates all the waiting in 3D Zelda games.
*Likes Majora's Mask, a game FULL of waiting.
He was lying to gain "gamer cred". It's obvious that he's never played Majora's Mask just from how terribly he handles Ocarina.
It's even harder to believe that when you see his current run of Majora's Mask and the fact that he's clearly not going to bother getting all the masks AKA the actual meat of the game.
It gets better with Greener221's comment about lying to get "gamer cred" which is exactly what he did in the MM videos lying that he "loves MM, I was just trolling about getting mad" and "yeah, i use to play this game all the time when i was younger, i got the fierce deity mask!"
Dick Jones Boy did this comment age terribly in the span of weeks
To be fair, that game (if played well) turns into a game of managing a known set order of events. The waiting is still there, but there is investment there, which there isn't really any of in Oot, which is just unregulated waiting. MM is about waiting for something you know will happen, which you plan out, that, at the very least, is a little more interesting.
Every time the defense force says "he has ADHD" to excuse his absolutely shitty skills at this game I want to punch my monitor. I have ADHD and these people have absolutely no idea what they're talking about.
Also, ADHD doesn't mean short term memory loss.
@@littlemoth4956 it does for me man...
@@littlemoth4956I have ADHD and it absolutely does, but Arin is completely ridiculous. Why the hell isn't he medicated?
I think I'm one of the fans that genuinely doesn't like Arin's anger, I think raging at a video game being hard when playing them for a TH-cam channel for your job speaks really poorly of him as a person. I could easily sit through this playthrough if Arin was honest about not paying attention or remembering stuff but he comes off as shockingly arrogant when he screams through it.
There are one or two amazing moments of his rage, and then there's... ugh, THIS.
This mixture of entitlement and incompetence?? Unacceptable. Never played OOT, btw
Arin has played games all his life. He's played games as his god damn job for 10 years now. He still gets angry at the game when he performs badly because of his own mistakes. I can't stand it.
I love how Arin complains about how linear the experience of OoT is, but when he plays it, he doesn't take any advantage of the freedom it does give him as he plays. He has almost minimal hearts and golden skultulla rewards from the lack of exploring. I'm watching the video and they passed the Fire Temple, and he didn't even pick up Din's Fire yet? Like the horse entirely can be skipped so I'm surprised he bothered even and didn't just cross the bridge with the longshot. The horse helps get the biggoron sword and stamina management saves time, and lets you jump obstacles (like getting to Gerudo Valley early), it also makes the racing more engaging, which they already did, and he failed there too. He complained this game just brought over items from the past Zeldas so the game doesn't utilize them effectively with its Z axis, yet he refuses to take advantage of these items during combat outright. He never uses the bow to kill Keese or other enemies and always uses the really slow Hookshot despite having full arrows all the time and the game dropping them constantly. He walked along the bottom of the lake forever, but did he go fishing and get those rewards? Did he try the horseback archery challenges? Thing is, almost nobody would care about how Arin plays the game if he didn't blame the game so often.
He often responds to criticism by saying something along the lines of "Well excuse me for playing the game to have fun and not just do everything perfectly and get to the end as fast as possible or whatever." Problem is that IS how he's playing the game. If he's whining about things while playing, then he's not conveying to the audience that he's having fun. He seems like he's playing this game to just rush to a goal, like he's not exploring much or taking in the dialogue. He's playing it like a linear and straightforward game and ignoring the freedom it gives you in combat and exploration, and how rewarding both can be. So yeah, don't be surprised when you complain and people correct you and suggest things to make you enjoy the experience more properly. He can play it however he wants, but he seems to be playing it a way that contradicts how he wants the game to be played by himself. Think of each fight as a puzzle and find the fastest and safest way to solve it. Take the time to explore the game and accept the rewards it has for you to use to help you later. Assess your surroundings properly and experiment with what will help you advance after finding all the available clues. Have fun. Etc. On top of that, he mentioned combat and exploration being separated when before they were the same process, yet he never fights without z targeting, which you can, and when fighting multiple enemies, the game encourages because it is how you swing your sword horizontally. Most people also used the spin attack without z targeting to get a better view of the surroundings while you charge and release.
Man, and I thought 'I' was pissed at this gameplay.
Arin does the most minimalist shit in LPs, yet takes much longer than completionists.
At least Friends Without Benefits, or BlueGameGrumps if you will, completed both games with both skill AND good commentary.
They even acknowledged Arin's rage-quit in MM.
This, and for someone whose defense against criticism is, "Excuse me for playing the game how I want and having fun instead of doing it all perfect and just rushing to the end", he sure as hell doesn't seem to be having any fun. If everything's about him is a performance, a persona, or to be taken ironically or hyperbolically as a joke or a bit, then what's genuine anymore? I can't trust someone like that, who alienates everyone in the pursuit of being irreprehensible and unaccountable for his words and actions.
I kill kees whit hookshot :v
"So much goddamn waiting in the combat," while they have full deku nuts.
"The ship is sinking! Get to a safe platform!"
*Stands there*
"AUGH!!"
“The ship is sinking! DONT DIE AGAIN ISTG”
“...wait what do I do”
I watched the entire video, this was fantastic. The best part was the first Dan burn at 18:25.
TheFantasticJoe I love Dan hes awesome 😍
Love airin too💛
33:34 is excellent as well
Screencap these if you can
2:08:55 "What?! I was blocking!" Arin going full DSP lol
2:36:08 "He talked the talk, but showed he couldn't walk the walk"
Perfectly sums up the biggest lesson, here.
I love the game grumps but it always pisses me off when arin refuses to read instructions then blames the fact he doesnt know what to do on the game.
Say hello to every 'doesn't matter' streamer and let's player ever.
1000% this. especially in OoT, Arin doesn't care at all so he half-pays attention to everything and when he fucks up he blames "playing and commentating at the same time" or "the game didn't tell me" well, if you don't listen you shouldn't play it.
Wait...you can use deku nuts to force ghosts oout of their intangible state? God damn I never tried that.
I learned a few things myself. Like how you can float over the clam in that one walkway where Arin dies (twice, I think). Dan should've been allowed to play this, since it was such a benchmark for Nintendo, a chunk of history for the company. Didn't Danny say at one point in Mario Galaxy that he wanted to play through all the important games? Arin should be nicer to Dan, and let that actually happen.
A common defense I see against Arin's pure stupidity and ineptitude at these games is that he has ADHD, which I 100% think is a cop out. I've had ADHD my entire life, it doesn't make it so you can not focus or retain information, it means that you have difficulty focusing on things that don't interest you so if Arin's ADHD is to blame here that 100% means he's never given a shit about the game and is just phoning it in but then turns around and blames the game for himself not paying attention.
Not to mention it sounds completely insulting to others with ADHD.
It's like saying "ADHD: Makes you so inept, you can't beat a game meant for children."
As someone with ADHD and has tried doing a letsplay series (shameless plug out of the way), it's understandable that he would have trouble playing the game well and commentating, but he has a cohost with him to do the commentating for him.
as someone with adha, its not that he has adha that makes me upset, its that he plays this games with an agenda and is an ass about it.
I disagree. I have adhd and especially when not medicated i miss important lines in movies or games and end up being lost. Sometimes i listen but dont absorve anything said without me noticing. Arin has it on a worse level than me, but whats really annoying is how he blames the game and not himself.
"I've played this a million times."
That's a fucking lie, and you know it Arin.
Says Majora's Mask is one of his favorites. Flash forward to what we're going through right now
23:25 Oh, how I appreciate the irony of Arin praising _observing and waiting_ for events mechanics on Majora's Mask as his favorite aspect of the game, haha.
I mean, don't get me wrong, it's a genius concept and I love it, but when you take into consideration his stupid "too much waiting" criticism of OoT, the hypocrisy really shines through, haha.
If Arin doesn't like OoT combat then why does he like Dark Souls?
Welcome to arin. his only well constructed argument was the megaman video. everything else he says is phrased terribly because he can't formulate a proper argument in short durations so he has to blurt out the first thing he thinks of. which is usually "wtf this game sucks"
Just because both combat systems can use lock-on, that doesn't mean they're the same, there are far more differences than there are similarities. And that's without even mentioning the lack of technical limitations and polishing that souls games have compared to OoT. It's funny that people like you call him an idiot, yet can't distinguish apples from oranges. Don't get me wrong, he's an idiot, you're just both idiots.
ShadowMark Has anybody called you out on being an idiot yet?
nobody once spoke about lock-on.
it's the waiting aspect that Arin hates with a passion.
Dark souls is absolutely full of waiting, and is about 15x more punishing when you don't wait, than in Oot when not waiting means your weapon bounces off of what you tried to hit or you get half a heart taken out of your 10 or so hearts.
In dark souls, a mistake like that usually costs you 80% of your health or your life.
Dark souls and Ocarina of Time are surprisingly similar in their combat systems, but the games are obviously meant for different types of gamers.
Arin is not good at video games.
in all of the dark souls playthroughs he summons through most bosses and they either carry him or sacrifice themselves for him.
In Ocarina, he carries multiple fairies and still gets wiped, indiscriminately on most bosses.
Arin is just incompetent on levels I hadn't personally seen before, and as someone who mostly has grumps playthroughs on as background noise, this was eye opening as fuck.
Hiddenforever69 "Has anybody called you out on being an idiot yet?"
Read your entire comment, still wondering when you're going mention how I'm apparently an idiot.
"nobody once spoke about lock-on."
nobody once spoke about why the games were similar, so I made the assumption that he meant the one thing that both games obviously have in common.
"it's the waiting aspect that Arin hates with a passion."
I could argue that waiting is *much* less of an aspect in the combat of DkS than in OoT. I could argue that half of Arin's point about there being "so much god damn waiting" doesn't even have to do with the combat, and rather the tedious meandering about, fetch quests and grueling exposition, which those elements aren't present in DkS. I could argue that DkS is not necessarily more punishing than OoT in the way that you have in mind due to the prevalence of estus and bonfires in each location that replenish everything. But instead, I'll just give you this point, because it doesn't matter in the slightest, they're still completely different games and your comment changes nothing.
The rest of your comment serves no purpose, not that the first part of it really had any to begin with, it seems like you more agree with me than disagree, so I have no idea why you think I'm an idiot.
ShadowMark No, he's right. You are an idiot.
"I hate the Fire Temple because it's like a labyrinth."
Like 10 minutes ago
"Labyrinth temples are fine it's just annoying to watch."
???
That's funny, because the Fire Temple is the most linear and least confusing of the adult Link dungeons, for me at least.
Watching arin play this game is like watching a toddler play: he doesn’t win and he’s like "THIS GAME SUCKS IT’S THE WORST! He wins and he’s like "This game isn’t so bad, I like it actually"
I don't care what anyone says, you are a god send for making this. Okay. Maybe "Godsend" is a bit much, but no matter what the incoming torrent of angry fanboys say; you sir, are incredible.
The things that Arin claims that he wants in an ideal video-game, are things that he wouldn't actually want in games. He struggled so much in Botw and complained about it, despite the fact it's technically his ideal game.
His brand has become complaining about every game ever and never having a good time. Using walkthroughs, skipping dialogue, repetitive poop jokes, bland voices, stereotypes, and recall jokes that were good in the past.
If shit wasn't on his path of consoles growing up, he doesn't care for it if it became popular; he went NES > SNES > PS1, so OoT was out of his scope in its day. Same reason why he can't really get on with classic Sonic.
I couldn't watch his BOTW videos. I don't know if he ever equipped armor, but I remember getting so frustrated at him running around naked and then acting shocked and confused that enemies were stomping him in two or three hits. It was not entertaining to watch.
Arin: Majora’s Mask is my favorite 3D Zelda, here’s why
Also Arin: I literally cannot finish Majora’s Mask and I hate this game
Arin is a much bigger threat then DSP. Why? He has a massive fanbase and they will believe what shit spews from his mouth. With DSP himself, his opinion on everything is a complete joke and he already has a bad rep.
I can't believe Arin forgot he had the bombs and he couldn't count the total of his rupee's. Just terrible.
someshyguy Atleast Arin's inept and stubbornness is primarily focused on OOT, often waning when it comes to other titles. DSP is pretty much a cesspool of all of that on every conceivable image, video, and form of media involving him.
Nobody cares though. Everyone just forgets any of it ever happened.
The worst thing about this is now the game will be tainted in Dan's eyes and he'll never give it (along with every game Arin bashed for his incompetence) a fair chance
I have faith that Dan can see the beauty in this game. There are times in the playthrough (and this video) that he says he’s enjoying what he sees and likes the look of it. He’s also had genuine moments of shock and awe like at Shieks reveal. Dan sees all games as most works of art. Arin... the less I say about him the better.
Plus Dan gave Sonic Adventure a chance despite all of the garbage spewing out of Arin's mouth and ended up enjoying it too.
Colton Waters I also feel bad for Dan he’s said the reason he rarely plays anything that isn’t multiplayer or an NES game is because he’s self conscious about playing bad. Though honestly it was a missed opportunity to not have Dan play this and Mario 64. He would’ve been a lot more optimistic and I can’t see him being any worse than Arin
Oh definitely. Nobody ever really complains about Dan playing bad because he even claims that he's not very good at video-games. People normally complain about Arin because he's so cocky and when something doesn't go his way, he just blames the game for it instead of admitting to his mistakes and horrible attention span. Paper Mario TTYD is a perfect example of that. Arin honestly made the series almost unwatchable with all of his pointless complaining while Dan was just having a good time with the game while Arin sat in the backseat criticizing the game for all of it's "flaws". (Not that TTYD is perfect by any means) And when they were stuck, Dan would almost have something figured out and Arin would just step in and be like "NO THAT'S WRONG" and halt progress even more because he doesn't want to think outside the box.
Colton Waters It’s pretty relieving to know that Jon left when he did. If he stayed on the show, he’d probably start having incredibly high blood pressure from Arins ineptitude.
Jesus, has Arin gotten so bad that people are making DSP style compilations of him now?
That's what happens when another TH-camr is just as angry, doesn't pay attention, blames the game for their own mistakes, etc. as DSP himself.
"Yeah I did. But its not like I forgot I had a bomb bag or anything" - Danny
In hindsight, when sped-up Young Link's little running animation makes it almost look like he's just sailing along the ground.
What's funny is that, if you watch speedruns of this game and Majora's Mask, a good amount of Link's movement IS just him sliding across the ground using a glitch.
Plays the entire game and still thinks Link is a kokiri.
The Phoenix Wright bits are my favorite by far.
helmers10 Can I see the time stamps for it? Lol
I'll have to go through the video again to get them for you, which might take a while since it's a couple hours.
55:04 is one of them...
4:55 should be the other.
that sequalities edit good shit man
"There's no hard enemies,"
*to stone statues*
"THIS GUY IS HARD." why is Arin such a hypocrite.
That's not being a hypocrite. That being wrong.
The enemies are not hard. They have easy patters to recognize and most die in 1 hit.
Well, they are. Lul rock jokes.
Lol. He did that shit on Skyward Sword as well. He complained about the game being too easy and then died on the first fight in the game.
Arin talks himself into a corner a lot. I've just gotten used to it
This is how you DON'T Play Ocarina of Time or 1000 Reasons why Sequelitis was a Mistake
tom red - Eh. His Mega Man and Castlevania episodes are on point. He just got cocky with the success of the first two episodes and completely shit the bed with the Zelda one.
I would point anyone to the Mega Man episode if the random stupid "humor" of his was edited out.
Hoo boy, do I hate that style of "humor" too. Very much.
The MegaMan X video was great. The Zelda one had him contradicting himself completely. He likes knowing where to go, yet likes how things were done more in Zelda 1, a game where they literally don't tell you where to go
I'd actually love to see someone debunk that video.
Austin AkameGaKillfan777 people have, there are rebuttals all over youtube
In awe of the size of this vid. absolute unit.
libtard resigned 😎
1:01:45 "Arin sucks at video games." - Danny
that comment killed me, sass-master Dan is best Dan.
I screenshotted that comment. 25k likes and that was 3 months ago.
2:08:55 Arin channels his inner DSP
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Look up This is how you don't play metal gear solid 1 ,2 or 3 and Jak 2 you'll find out all you need to know.
I'd like to add a courtesy warning to that: It will not be worth it!
Courier Dan
originally the this is How you dont play series was because dsp was bad at games
now its with game grumps
You hit that nail on the head XD
The TIHYDP that made me learn how useful Deku Nuts are.
Also, as someone with ADHD, it still eternally frustrates me how so many people say Arin's problems are because of ADHD.
That's NOT how ADHD works. You have trouble when you have to focus on ONE thing. The fact that he's in an environment with several sources of stimuli that he can bounce between should actually make this easier for him.
Given, I'm not an expert. So maybe I'm totally wrong and ADHD actually presents differently depending on the person, but I've seen plenty of other people claiming to have ADHD that have the same experience I have.
I know right? It runs in my family pretty bad. Both my dad and my sister have it and it's pretty bad in both of them. I know what it's like. Arin is just being a shitlord, it's not because of any learning disability, unless simply *refusing to learn, period,* is a disorder now.
adhd DOES change based on the person. there are two types and one causes people to zone out and forget things
This man got roasted for
more then 2 hours for his verbal crimes, I could finally sleep.
Oh my, I can't comment on this because I was completely inept at my own Master Quest playthrough, but Arin criticizes this game super hard and then blames it on the game instead of his lack of skill.
I never got past the Forest Temple in Master Quest, mainly because of basically just giving up after Jabu Jabu's Belly, which was confusing becase switches inside of cows inside of walls isn't very normal.
I got through everything in master quest except water temple😆 still stuck to this day.
mike hutchinson That's kind of weird, I breezed through the master quest water temple when I played it and found it easier than the normal water temple. Maybe I got lucky though
Depends how many times did you play master quest prior to your playthough
I played OoT with two old-school game guide books (one was a more interpret-what-this-means story one and the other was a proper guide) and I still never completed it. Mostly due to Dark Link killing me and setting me back to the start of the Water Temple, and my getting totally lost trying to get back and giving up. But even before that, I played around with my dad's completed save file just screwing around in the overworld and seeing how all the different items worked.
And even at 7 years old, I still managed to work out that pressing the C-button while the Hookshot is firing will recall it instantly, and that holding it down will prime it to fire when you release. Because I had the curiosity to experiment with the game and figure things out for myself, and had the understanding that the game would allow me to and expect me to.
And also that the shield exists _(COUGH)_
But Arin?
1:28:28
Arin, an "experienced" gamer who bemoans how in-intuitive and obvious this game is, plays the game by spamming every attack button and item like it's LttP, and complains about how the game is beyond redemption because he can't progress by doing so. Or complains about how the game isn't telling him what to do when it was literally spelled out for him four seconds prior.
I loved the Phoenix Wright segments, very clever
also damn I never noticed when Dan burns him like that
Do you remember when Arin said Ganon volleyball was easy? And that it was a bad boss because it was easy?
It's amazing that Arin hates the fire temple for being a confusing mess and having to have you backtrack, yet he loves Resident Evil so much even though it's the most confusing convaluted and backtrack ass game ever made. But it's not Zelda so it's good there.
Having sat through this entire video...no, there isn't a single valid criticism of this game in it. It's simultaneously too easy, too hard, too linear, too labyrinthine, offers way too much advice, requires a walkthrough to beat the majority of the dungeons...
It boils down to one simple fact: Arin isn't good enough for Ocarina of Time. Not good enough to criticize it, not good enough to play it.
DSP has a better showing with Zelda games, and he plays them blind! Jesus fucking fuck. How does this guy have fans?
That moment when you just want to have someone walk into the room, deck the fuck out of Arin, and finish the game properly yourself, showing Dan how good the game actually is.
This channel exists, plain and simple. People enjoy these videos to the point where they think any crap Arin shits out is good entertainment and will not let you tell them otherwise.
And yes, he constantly makes contradictory points, which I'd argue is the one thing from this video that did transfer over to the 2016 LP, especially since he doubles down on nearly everything said here.
Hearing Arin explain what he finds interesting about Majoras mask sent my sides into orbit considering his playthrough of it...
1:16:57 This comment made me realize a core issue in why I started to disagree with Arins playstyle so much. There is this smaller youtuber named Robert Moran. Known for Jimmy: The World of Warcraft story, Unforgotten Realms and other various projects. A few years ago Rob was starting a new youtube roleplaying series where he and his group of friends play a casual D&D style game that tries to lean more into the ROLEPLAY part of the game, rather than the +5 to this -2 to that. It's all good fun. I love Rob.
Well. In one of the early streams of the system, Rob called in some guests to drum up some hype for this new series. One was, I think the music composer of Shovel Knight and the other was Arin. The game was... Fine. Most of the group was very much into the roleplay aspect of the game and had a lot of fun in-character. That is, except for Arin. Reading the timestamped comment reminded me of that stream. Arin was, like he always is. Impatient, trigger happy and a distraction. I think his final act in the game was to set a building on fire, just because. My memory is spotty after several years, but I remember the way he played. And it made me realize something.
Arins opinions of games stem from their mechanics and how well they play. It seems so obvious, but this is huge for me. Because it finally made me realize why I disagree with so many ideas that Arin has voiced over the years. I couldn't give a shit about gameplay if there is either and amazing story to get sucked into, or an immersive world for me to sink my teeth into. When Arin walks out of Links treehouse for the first time, he only sees a choppy N64 level with the goal of getting the sword and shield. I hear the music and see the little particles in the air and my imagination fills in all the holes. I see and smell a vibrant forest, like the ones I used to wander around in when I was a child. I'm interested in what the characters tell me and want to see the world and the story unfold. When you pace around a Stalfos with your shield up, Arin sees WAITING. I see an intense duel with an undead abomination, its glowing red eyes gleaming from its hollow eye sockets as it scrapes its bent and rusted blade across its beaten round shield menacingly. This doesn't matter to Arin. It's just a video game.
It explains SO MUCH. Arins adhd, the impatience, the complete failure to absorb any information or showing interest in the world outside of how it relates to gameplay. Arin is a purely mechanical gamer without that interest in roleplaying or immersion. I haven't seen him in any other roleplaying situations, but I reckon he doesn't get into his character and defaults to just... You know. Himself. I think I understand why I dislike him so much a little better now.
Playing like shit doesn't help either.
Other people have criticized the story better, saying it's a pretty basic Hero's Journey plot, the characters are walking exposition dumpers with no personality, the cutscenes are unskippable, etc.
All Arin ever did in Sequelitis was complain about the story getting in the way of gameplay, which it does, but the buck stops there. "Critical in-depth analysis" my ass.
There's a moment in the Grumps' playthrough of the original NES Legend of Zelda that I think perfectly demonstrates the difference between Arin and Dan's approach to gaming. They talk about the primitive NES graphics and how kids got invested in the games despite how blocky and abstract they looked. Dan said it was because his imagination filled in the blanks and he could envision himself in a dungeon full of Stalfos. Arin said it was because he knew the enemies were programmed a specific way and he had to quickly learn how to work around it.
That speaks volumes. Arin thinks like a game designer; Dan thinks like an explorer. Arin wants to get from point A to point B as quickly as possible; Dan wants to appreciate everything a game's world has to offer.
Also just sayin I've had adhd for 34 years and I hate how Arin plays and agree with everything you say here been a fan for years but unsubbed due to Arin's lack of interest in ANY thing he plays I coulddeal with Danny playing all sierra games and Arin just playing bloodborne a game he loves over and over again instead of anything he says or does now.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 I think the story has less to do with the characters and more with the environment and lush world. The NPCs like the ones in Hyrule have tons of personality. It's a little like a Ghibli film in that regard
@Ty The Great You read that whole thing and that's what you comment on? What an asshole.
All the Dan burns are s i c k.
I've always wondered why Arin never uses the shield. Because it's not just in 3D Zelda, he does it in 2D Zelda as well. Hell, in every game he plays in general he seems to just never defend. If you have to do anything besides jumping to avoid damage, it doesn't register in Arins head, it seems.
So this is what a "try not to lose your shit" challenge on youtube would look like...
Jokes aside, that was truly painful to go through, and I loved how even the author is losing his shit as the video goes XD
Paused like twelve times throughout, trying not to take my monitor and rip it in half.