Charterstone | Rahdo's Final Thoughts
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A video outlining gameplay for the boardgame Charterstone.
For more game info, boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1...
Part I: Gameplay Runthrough
• Charterstone Gameplay ...
Part II: Extended Gameplay
• Charterstone Extended ...
Part III: Final Thoughts
• Charterstone | Rahdo's...
WOWWW even more excited for this game now!! Thanks for your passion and enthusiasm as always Rhado. I am so excited to play Charterstone :)
Can't wait for this! Thanks so much for the run through rahdo. Showing how the Automa works was particularly useful for me as I'll be playing two player & two Automa. The Automa look so easy to use, very streamlined.
The automata's in all Stonemaier games that have them are absolutely amazing, a perfect way to do a dummy player that doesn't make the player(s) have to go through a lot of hoops to figure out what the dummy player is going to do on a turn.
I am so happy you enjoyed this one with Jen. I base how much myself and my partner may enjoy games based on you guys as two players. Really looking forward to getting it, regardless of the scaling issue. Thanks for your thoughts.
I commented when your video went live, but in the meantime we've knocked this one out over Christmas and loved every minute of it, just magic in a box for us. Thanks again for the thoughts Richard!
Another terrific run-through/review! Thanks again for the quality thoughts. I'm super excited about this game (not so much the "cute" artwork; in fact, that's the one thing giving me brief pause). I really REALLY like the idea of a competitive legacy (Pandemic doesn't do it for me, mostly due to the "breaking the machine" aspect of that game). Anyway, just wanted to say thanks for covering this one! Always look forward to hearing your comments on games.
Wow, Rahdo, great review. Keep it up, proud of you!
this is a great review. thanks! exactly the angle I'm looking at it from while I'm considering buying it.
Awesome game and review. Can’t wait to get my hands on it. It looks like I can play it with multiple groups and still enjoy it
Decided to pick this up today for my 3 player game group.
You're so passionate about this game compared to Dice Tower. One of the reasons you're my go-to reviewer.
I played about 3 games with a group and we just can never get to it so I'm about to turn them into Automas and finish solo!
So excited to finally play this. Thank you for these videos.
Picked this up today for £24 Amazon UK. Bargain!
Thanks for sharing! Do you guys still use the two Automa when you play your finished board?
yeah, we have. it would be weird not to play with them :)
Hello Richard,
Very nice runthrough,
Are there multiple automa decks or just one like Scythe and Viticulture.
Thank you.
one deck shared by all of them.
Thank you. This was very helpful.
I am so excited for this game! I have a group of four other players that I'm hoping will be interested in it. I'm also very curious about playing this solo on the back side. Do you think it would be possible to do both or will I need a recharge pack to play solo on the back?
you'd need the recharge pack to have 2 seperate campaigns going at the same time, but it should work...
I pre-ordered Charterstone and have been holding on to it since it arrived but have just not been able to get a consistent group together to play it. I've been hesitant to start playing it with my wife as just a 2 player game, but your final thoughts have convinced me! I was also hesitant to use automa as well, as I haven't used them in other games, but it sounds like it is a good idea. However, you mentioned that the automa were too powerful in the first game - I believe the rules suggest not using them in the first game unless you are playing solo.
yes, i think that "don't use them in the first game" was added to the rules after the early pre-release version that i had, and i would agree :)
YOU ARE AWESOME! ❤❤❤
great review
Thanks for the review. Great as always Rahdo. I am going to buy either Charterstone or Viticulture Essentials this week. For a 2 player game (couple game) which do you enjoy more? I read that Viticulture Essentials is like V+all the expansions.
viticulture is a better 2p experience probably, but personally i enjoyed charterstone more in spite of that :)
:) Thanks Rahdo (not sure if you prefer to be called Richard or Rahdo). Good to hear it is so close, that I can't go wrong (the games I mean).
As it's a legacy game do you always need to play with the same number of players or can you accommodate different player counts through the sequence of plays?
yes, you can swap counts all you like between games, and even use the automa to 'stand in' for player who's only gone for one or two games
Thanks
I've been looking everywhere for the answer to this question. Thank you.
It seems like a very simple / fun game made better by the whole Legacy mechanic. There is nothing like the feeling of finding new stuff, opening "boosters", etc for a game you already own!! I would like to see this on more games, but without a need to get "rebuild packs" and something more undo-able.
How do you compare the game play and fun-ness factor between Charterstone and 7th Continent? I know they are very, very different, but which one would you enjoy playing more?
hmm, interesting question. i'd say charterstone provides more fun gameplay mechanisms (once you're a few games in... it does start off a bit on the simple side) while 7th continent provides a more rich and evocative experience
Worker placement bumping at its finest --- THE GALLERIST, now Charterstone!
Thanks Richard, really enjoyed the run through!
Also.. spoilers at 22:10! Number 2?!? :)
i have no inside info, but i certainly hope so :)
Recharge Pack is $30 which means £30 in the UK and 45 euros in Spain :P
Would you absolutely recommend playing with 6 players instead of 4 if we can ? If we play 4p, would you recommend bumping it up to 6 with the dummy players ?
hmm, i guess i'd suggest playing with 4 at first if that's what you've got, and as the game goes on and the world gets bigger, you might want to add an automa or two if you feel you want more bumping. but really, 4 should be fine (as is 6). tbh if i could, i would have played the whole thing as 6p :)
Right. I'll try and get 6 players hooked. Thanks for the advice! Love your work.
Very interesting.
a couple of questions wouldn't involved spoilers, but the answers would help my wife and i decide whether to buy the game:
1) what is the complexity? can you compare it to pandemic legacy or other popular euros? my wife and i like medium to heavy games. where do you think the complexity rating will sit on bgg?
2) does it have fantasy/ magic? my wife are not into games, with witches, wizards, orcs, casting spells and all that stuff. but we like fictional worlds that are closer related to historical fiction. we can do steam punk too, although it is not our preference. for example, we though forbidden desert was okay, but we prefer pandemic - hands down.
1) it starts out super light, like ticket to ride, and by the end it's the equivalent of a gateway worker placement game with 2 or 3 full expansions worth of content layered on to, taking it into solid medium weight territory.
2) no real way i can answer that without spoilers so scroll down if you want to know...
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there's no traditional fantasy. as you say, it's more "light hearted steampunk". that said...
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there is a tiny bit of the supernatural, which takes the form of (below is a big story spoiler)...
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transfer of human souls.
What is the playtime per game (sounds like you quickly mention 1 hour)? Is it listed on the box? And do games tend to get longer/shorter as the campaign progresses as there are more choices/options?
the game scales for different player counts, so it's an hour or so regardless of # of players :)
we did have some games that got up to 90 minutes when we were coming to terms with new rules and whatnot, but still we can get a full game done in around an hour now with everything unlocked and a full sized city :)
Could anyone name any other games that use worker placement "bumping" as a main mechanic? I'm intrigued...
off the top of my head, euphoria, asking for trobils, gallerist. i'm sure there's others
Automania is a very good game that use it, not sure of it is considered a "main" mechanic, but it is very prominent especially in the higher player counts.
Trobils also has a mechanism to encourage bumping at the 2 player count, I agree that it's one of my favourite gameplay mechanisms too. I encourage you to find Trobils if you want to experience this style.
What is the worker placement game like after the campaign has been finished? Does it work well or is it kinda lame
we are continuing to enjoy it, both because it's a good worker placement game, and also for reasons that would be spoilers, so i can't talk about them :)
It seems four is a comfortable amount of people. Is 3 going to have enough interaction?
i dunno, maybe? haven't tried it at 3. one thing to bear in mind is that objectives are public knowledge, so you can see what other players are probably trying to achieve and can anticipate where they're going to go.
Great review. So what were the things you thought players should know right off the bat?
www.boardgamegeek.com/video/153422?commentid=7488863#comment7488863 :)
Thanks Richard. Makes sense.
Thanks Richard. I am about to embark on playing this with my wife and three of our kids. I have two questions arising from your comments here:
1. Should I add an automa to make 6 players?
2. If I do, is it worth a rule adjustment to start them at power level 1?
Thanks, Gary
we played through the whole thing using them and thought they worked great. but if you start and decide a game or two in that you'd rather not, you can just stop using them and continue no problem. re: the power level, i think it depends on how you think you'd feel about the automas winning. i suppose if you go in knowing that the first game is slightly tilted in their favor, so it's not much of a suprise, it probably wouldn't be a problem :)
@@rahdo many thanks Richard. I appreciate your taking the time to respond and advise. Best wishes, Gary
Game sounds great! Oh and nice shirt. Where’d you get it?
th-cam.com/video/h3oZVqsCWLk/w-d-xo.html :)
So can you only ever play 2 full games of charterstone? If I wanted to reset the board I would have to buy another recharge pack?
you can plan infinite games of charterstone because it comes with rules to allow ongoing play after the campaign is done.
you can play through 2 full campaigns with one copy of charterstone + 1 recharge pack. if you want a 3rd campaign, you'd have to buy another copy of the game
I've never played a legacy game before, but I think I get the concept. I think you may have mentioned this in the introduction to this game, but for complete clarification, my main question is: Can you keep the board and play a session with what you have accomplished after the 12 sessions (entire campaign) have ended? Basically, is the game useless after completion without getting a, "Recharge Pack"? P.S. Thank you SO much for the videos and your answering of questions and all the work you put into them ^_^ ♥
the game comes with specific rules for how you can continue to play the game after the campaign is over :)
Thank you ♥
Why not make the bumping for a general area in a two player game without the NPCs a house rule?
i'm not keen on house rules, plus the automas work fine :)
rahdo ah gotcha.
Can you please list the ideas or mechanics discussed at 16:00 that you told the new players before starting their first game? Would be nice to start a whole Charterstone adventure with those.
basically, jen and i played our first few games building very little because we were worried that if we committed to lower value buildings at the beginning, we'd be at a disadvantage at campaign end against each if we didn't build higher value buildings as well. so for the first few games, we didn't build hardly anything and it sort of stalled things.
eventually it's revealed in the rules that this isn't something to worry about because you'll be able to
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build over the tops of old buildings :)
rahdo Thank you. I had worried about that myself.
If you like worker bumping, you should see Argent!
i like a lot of stuff there, but it has too much player conflict for our tastes :(
the decision making seems one dimensional, I assume the game gains depth as new rules are discovered?
*edit also how do the 2 automas(sp?) fix the 42 worker placement issue? Seems like 2 less spots and a small chance of being bumped isn't enough to tighten the 2 player map after a few games.
yes, i seriously considered not showing the 'intro' game because it is misleading by effecitvely being a simple tutorial as so many additional elements get added over the course of the game. but in the end, i decided to stay away from spoilers.
just becuase there's 42 places on the board doesn't mean they're all created equally. each game, there are specific objectives and milestones equally available to all players, so that tends to make certain actions more attractive from game to game, and ups the chance for humans to interact via bumping.
automas don't do this, because they don't take objectives into consideration, but instead, they have their own priorities they pursue (that change and evolve over the course of the game) so you can anticipate what they're going to do in similar way.
How long does each session usually run?
Micah D from what I've been reading 1 to 1.5 hours.
Thanks.
like you chaterstone or rise of queensdale more?
charterstone :)
Does it work purely as 2 player?
i talked about this in the final thoughts :)
Ok, so if you want to do 2 player, then use 2 automatons, and it's nice and smooth? Perfect!
Last Place lane? Well done! :D
and ironic too, as i went on to win the entire campaign :)
That's a good House Rule at 12:40 - bumping anywhere in a Charter
One of the things I'm getting is that if you plan to only play 2 player this might not be the best game. Unless the automa fix the issue?
the game is fine with 2, but just better with more
Where can I get that shirt?
th-cam.com/video/h3oZVqsCWLk/w-d-xo.html :)
Did you ever played got to play the 12 games with them?
sadly no. we actually carried chartersone with us to the UK from malta when we temporarily moved there, and actually drove up to their house in the midlands to spend the day playing with them to finish it, but i was an idiot and forgot to put it in the van on that day!!! :(
@@rahdo bummer. Did you finish that campaign anyway?
nope, we put it on hold, in the hope that we'd someday get to finish with them. we only have like 4 more sessions to play, but the only way it's likely to happen is if they ever come to an american convention i think...
Out of pure interest how do you think the board building compares to The Colonist? Feels like The Colonist might have done this write your story on the board thing by an accident I guess
interesting comparison. colonists is much more heavy and complex, and a full campaign finishes is about a third of the time. i really do with the pub for colonist had done a better job of making the game save-able and continuable...
Can you start this with four players then switch to two or three? I was wanting to start it with visiting family and finishing it with the wife.
yes, you can make that switch. once the visitors are gone, you can keep their characters going with the dummy player system. or if you didn't want to do that, there are 'automated advancement' rules for the sectors that are no longer controlled by actual players.
you could also bring other players back in for a game or two, mid way through the campaign. though they would not be able to compete for the big end campaign contest
Is this game for old people?
well i'm 52 and i dig it
At the 15:15 mark of the video you talk about something you discover that would change how you played the first game. Could you share that here? Maybe just put a spoiler alert in the comment if people don’t want to know. Giving this game to my wife for Christmas. Thanks!
basically it was that we sort of stalled our game during the early campaign because we were worried about putting low value buildings in our land that would negatively impact our final scores at campaign end. what we didn't know was that we shouldn't have worried about that because features open up during gameplay that let you alter the buildings already present...
rahdo thanks!
To be fair... the instructions tell you not to include the automas until after your first coupe of games... probably for the very reason you stated not liking them in the early games.
the problem is the rules also say that if they're not included in the entire game from start to finish, they "don't count" in the final campaign tally at the end...
rahdo I must have missed that! Thanks for the additional info. My wife and i will be starting a game this weekend.
1:11 A legacy adventure game? Which one is that? Really interested...
Seafall?
Gloomhaven
that's the one!
Thanks... missed that one. reviews aren't that forgiving though...
Seafall, i mean...
Thanks for the review. I don’t know why I am not feeling it for this game. I want to but something is strangely not clicking. Perhaps it just has to be experienced first hand as run through without spoilers simply can’t convey the true in game feel.
one thing that the video can't get across of course is how much more involved the gameplay gets. i probably should have talked about this a bit more in the final thoughts, but the game starts out super simple, like ticket to ride simple. after a few games, it gets up to, say, basic viticulture complex with the added stuff. by the end, it's like viticulture with all expansions active at once :)
Rahdo is this legacy type of game more appealing to you then a pandemic?
i still liked pandemic legacy more :)
"Than" not "then". "Then" is for sequence while "than" is for comparison.
Hi Richard, thanks for the great review. Especially the comparison to Viticulture (which I already own and love) as well as the info about the general quality of the story helped me to decide not to buy it,as I'll have my first legacy fix with gloomhaven. Also I don't like the art style very much, which of course is very subjective.
Thanks again and keep up the great work.
Ruwen -- Gloomhaven is not a "legacy" game along the lines of Pandemic Legacy, Risk Legacy, Seafall and Charterstone. You will not be getting your legacy "fix" from Gloomhaven.
Al Cann thanks for pointing out. I am aware of the little legacy-ness of Gloomhaven but will have it as a starting point and then maybe go deeper with Pandemic Legacy. Charterstone does appeal to me because of above mentioned reasons too little to buy.
That's fair. I ordered Charterstone but I am a little under impressed with the artwork ... it looks a little childish and I like heavier more serious appearing games. That is why I really liked Seafall despite its flaws. Just wanted to point out about Gloomhaven -- it's world creating quality is fairly small part of the game, but it is a lot of fun. I love "legacy" games and Gloomhaven does not scratch that itch!
Al Cann yeah, I think I ordered gloomhaven more for its general merits than just for the legacy part. Looking forward to playing it. Totally agree on your point concerning artwork and reading through some comments it seems as if that's the case for quite a few people. That was actually the first thing really putting me off when I watched the "watch it played" video. During that video something else also made me dislike the game but I can't really put my finger on it. Maybe my opinion changes if I actually try it out.
You'll love Gloomhaven. Great solo also. I managed to get lucky and nab it in the first print run so I am almost finished with the campaign. Hopefully a GH 2 is in the works. Good chatting with you ... enjoy GH!
The answer to the question is why Atoma wins in Game 1. Alert! Minor SPOILER.
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In the final Game 1 we learn the rule 26 - End of Game:
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4. NON-WINNER(S): Name your charter (write it on the board). Also, as a show of humality, each winning charter must now be named by the non-winners.
..."
In this way, if Atoma does not win, he will have to name his own charter. But if Atoma is winner then his charter will be named by other players.
interesting hypothesis, although if you check the automa rules, there's actually game specific rules it follows listed on the last page, so they could have addressed that in another way. still, i like the way you think :)
Anyone else thinks everytime Rahdo says "games me and Jen likes", he actually means "games I like but Jen doesnt dare to dislike, to not hurt my feelings". ;p
Thanks for the review. total pass.
They can't make bumping at lower player counts, because then you'll complain that the game is too mean.
th-cam.com/video/sceNBp3yYsw/w-d-xo.html
i guess you never played lancaster boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/96913/lancaster
he has a run through of it
bumping workers mechanic was introduced in Troyes in 2010 and in lancaster in 2011 nothing was new in euphoria that introduced in 2013
carson city introduced bumping workers in 2009
not really. bumping workers in my estimation is a very different thing than troyes (which is an area control game) and lancaster (which is an auction game disguised as a worker placement game).
for me, worker bumping means a game where your workers will *never* be returned to you unless a) they're bumped by someone else or b) you have to spend time or resources of some sort getting them back.
hmm, sort of, but still a bit different. definitely closer than troyes or lancaster though :)