We just finished the game. We were playing mostly with 3 or 4 people. The games took about 3.5 hours long. I accidentally dropped the cardporium because we were trying to put stuff on the board mid game and it totally messed us up. I almost cried. As I was trying to put the cards back in order I missed the card order and that totally messed up two games worth and we had to go and manually fix stuff. We love clank! Typically we play clank very competitively which is super fun but in order to unlock all the super cool stuff you cannot be competitive your have to work together. That made us at times not draw from the river cards so we could avoid dragon attacks. I feel like we were manipulating the game instead of actually playing the game. We also missed a bunch of stuff in each game and had to have a side checklist. Don't get me wrong it was super fun and we all enjoyed the game but you have to change your mindset from competitive to coop. Oh! and in the regular copy the stickers don't line up we used a pocket knife to fix the cards.....and then we got lazy and just slapped them on and now they look stupid; including the board stickers. At the end of the game somehow we missed putting a rule in the rule book so we ended up fixing the rule book. We have also played the game without the legacy part and went back to competitive play. Well that was super fun and all the extra stuff that we unlocked made the game super competitive and very fun. I got the extra mini expansion for the game after and that is good. I like using the custom board better after the fact since game play is about 45mins with 3 to 4 players. Really fun! I do recommend this game especially if you love Clank!
Just curious if the game that is left after the campaign...is also almost 2 hours a play? Or is it back to a shorter length like normal Clank! Once the campaign is done?
Wow, that's not how we play Clank at all! We learned, a while back, that the player who rushes always loses (because the others get stronger decks and yet still make it out)... so we always play chicken, escaping when the dragon risk get too high. And then of course there's suddenly the desperate rush back.
oh sure, i agree that people complaining that the game is "broken" because someone can always run in as fast as possible, get a treasure and get out to win is just silly. that's a guaranteed way to lose. but we find that after we've both stayed down for a a bit, and we're getting down to only 4 or so hitpoints left, there's a MAJOR rush to get out first, since one bad bag draw could kill you when things are getting that low :)
This was my biggest complaint about the solo mode of Clank in space. There was no real threat. You could take your time and make some relatively weak decisions and escape without a problem. I played the first time ever and got a C on the campaign. The next time I played I got a A+ on all levels and the campaign. I'm hoping my friends like the multiplayer much more, which happens in a lot of games.
I look forward to playing this. I can see why over-long sessions are a pain but my wife always loses interest after a session is complete so post-game resolutions are less interesting
You may not be able to answer this if it's a potential spoiler: The reason I abandoned base Clank! for In Space was the card class combos where if you played this card during the same hand (similar to Legendary Marvel) you get a bonus which leads to focusing on a card class type. Is that present at all in Acquisitions?
spoilers for those who don't want to know... . . . . . . . . . . . . . nope, that star realms-style combo system that they used in clank in space never appears in here in legacy
We remain enthusiasts of Clank at RSP, and it has been a stayer over here. Though I never ventured much into space I am very excited to see what this brings to the table, and of course who doesn't enjoy the shenanigans of Acquisitions Incorporated? - Mike
Events happening mid-game seem pretty thematic to me. It sounds more realistic than waiting for the events to unravel while we sleep. One way of solving the issue of bookkeeping errors is to tick the items off on the card itself since you are going to destroy it anyway. Just a thought.
I agree that events should happen mid-game, but they should be designed in a way that does not pull you out of the drama like a TV ad. @rahdo Just tell the publishers to put some Paolo in every box to ensure no errors are made during game sessions ;)
How does the completed version compare with vanilla clank or clank in space which of those three not including the campaign is best? Will playing with the finished board also be much longer than the original game?
at this point, if i had to choose, i'd rather play my custom version of clank, but a big part of the reason why is because there's so many personal touches that jen and i added to the game.
@rahdo How many cards would you say it adds to the regular Clank! ? With all the stickers and everything, do you know if we can have a second play through to add even more after ?Thanks
i'm not sure how many cards there are in total. i expect you could find that on the publishers website. the game's not setup that you could go through the campaign a 2nd time. once you've finished, you've got a unique copy of clank that can't be undone
Hi! Clank legacy has already arrived to Spain and i could get a copy :) What do you think about playing the campaing for two players? Would It be ok, or the game only works for more players? Thank you!
Hey Richard! We don't have any Clank in our collection and because we are thinking of getting one we need your help. I don't know if we like the legacy aspect, as we haven't played again a legacy game before, that's why I will focus on normal play. So, would you recommend post-campaign Clank Legacy over Clank and Clank in Space? Just for your information money is not a factor as I find all three Clanks at the same price from a local store. Thank you!
that's a tough one. personally we really enjoy legacy games, so that's how we'd choose. i guess do you want stronger narrative woven into your gameplay (legacy), or do you prefer to just stick to the gameplay and decisions and stuff (in space)?
@@rahdo I love sci-fi too! One last question, please. Other than the theme preference (sci-fi or fantasy) do you think Clank Legacy is up to the level of Clank and Clank in Space for "normal" (post-campaign) play? Would you like to play it? Thank you!
Since completing the campaign have the two of you played the game with the Upper Management Pack characters? If so, how much different does it make the game?
Is there a problem with runaway/campaign leader, since clank is competitive? My City you publicly kept track of who was winning the campaign, and several games before the end you said something happened that meant Jen knew she could no longer win the campaign and that was a downer for the last few games. I think either Seafall or Charterstone had the same problem.
I’ve been looking for something to fill the time until Frosthaven is delivered (and have no experience with the Clank! universe). Will this provide the apropos gaming fix?
clank is a LOT lighter than gloomhaven. this was a fun expansion, though we were done with it in under a week, so i'm not sure if it'll tide you over for the full wait :)
I was wondering that too! I have all the promos and expansions sleeved! How are protecting the minis after tossing the insert? Will they all fit in the cardporium box? I only watched your final thoughts... I can't wait to get my preorder and get to clankin! Thanks!
@@nvoll84 they're pretty solid minis... nothing flimsy about them. that said, it's not a bad idea to use the cardporium box (especially if you paint them, i suppose).
Erm it's 4 automatically or 6 in a 2p game if 1 player got out. Also: I'm excited for my copy I like Clank and getting Legacy kinda allows me to own clank and have fun new mechanics
Hi Rahdo. I've got frame rate issues with this video (and noticed it on a few other videos recently). It kind of stutters. Watching it on a Roku. Put it onto my mobile and it was a bit better, but not great. Just wanted to let you know. That aside, awesome video, thank you!
yeah, it's is a fine intro to clank. the only reason i might pause is that if you discover you don't like clank, this is a more expensive way to have that experiment.
How many sleeves are needed for the game? You said you didn't use about 30 cards? I plan to sleeve as we acquire new cards... This is a deck builder after all. Haha
RE: the length of the games and feeling honor bound to complete every quest on the board, this is from the Dire Wolf design diary: "The group will continue to receive Contract cards throughout the course of the campaign. These cards can remain outstanding across games. Often, a group is presented with more Contracts than they can (or care to) complete within a given game, so players have agency in how they prioritize them. Remember that Clank! Legacy Acquisitions Incorporated at its heart is a competitive game, so players will sometimes prioritize strategic scoring over story reveals."
yup, the tricky thing is that if players opt to stop buying new cards once their decks are big enough, then there's almost no threat in the game that players face, and they can stay out and explore forever. normally that's not an issue in clank because there aren't a half dozen different story chapters that you want to experience... you go in and you get out asap. but now the design is fundamentally at odds with itself, and it does change the overall tenor of the game (at least, during the campaign)
@@DerekEskens in regular clank there's not (and it's not really needed). legacy does actually introduce one later in the campaign, but it's not there throughout
Pretty sure if they made the games short and had 10 missions people would never pay the price for the game. It's quite a pricey game in the legacy game department. I'm still interested to hear if after the campaign you will ever come across the content that you missed during the game?
i was actually suggesting shorter but more sessions (like 15 instead of 10 :) once the campaign is over, there's likely going to be a few open quests still that you can still follow up on in subsequent plays. but there will be 20-30 cards that are simply not going to be part of your world because of choices you made. however, there's nothing stopping you from simply adding those cards to the deck as well :)
@@arthurdent9281 Radho says regularly that his mistakes aren't the games fault, they're his. But the designers are still responsible for making a game too difficult to follow. If the game is so complicated that a vastly experienced player and reviewer could make such costly mistakes in bookkeeping, then the game is too hard to bookkeep - more casual gamers are going to have an even harder time. I think Radho is just being polite by saying it's not the game's fault. He knows very well it is, and by proxy, the developers' fault. The designers should have done better. And (here I'm drawing conjecture) behind closed doors, I'm sure Radho would actually agree that it's the designers' fault. But he is being polite.
@@RobertKonigsberg That's ridiculous. They give you a step by step list to follow. If you can't follow a list, that's really not the game's fault. Maybe they could do something to force you to follow the list, but I don't know how they would do that. If you can't follow a list, then you'll probably mess up whatever method they use.
@@RobertKonigsberg I didn't mean "you" in the personal sense. I meant it as anyone playing the game. I just find it ridiculous to think that it's the game's fault that a list of maybe 3 to 6 steps can't be followed.
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"This is the clankiest Clank that ever clanked". Well, clank you very much for your clankety clank opinion,lol!
We just finished the game. We were playing mostly with 3 or 4 people. The games took about 3.5 hours long. I accidentally dropped the cardporium because we were trying to put stuff on the board mid game and it totally messed us up. I almost cried. As I was trying to put the cards back in order I missed the card order and that totally messed up two games worth and we had to go and manually fix stuff. We love clank! Typically we play clank very competitively which is super fun but in order to unlock all the super cool stuff you cannot be competitive your have to work together. That made us at times not draw from the river cards so we could avoid dragon attacks. I feel like we were manipulating the game instead of actually playing the game. We also missed a bunch of stuff in each game and had to have a side checklist. Don't get me wrong it was super fun and we all enjoyed the game but you have to change your mindset from competitive to coop. Oh! and in the regular copy the stickers don't line up we used a pocket knife to fix the cards.....and then we got lazy and just slapped them on and now they look stupid; including the board stickers. At the end of the game somehow we missed putting a rule in the rule book so we ended up fixing the rule book. We have also played the game without the legacy part and went back to competitive play. Well that was super fun and all the extra stuff that we unlocked made the game super competitive and very fun. I got the extra mini expansion for the game after and that is good. I like using the custom board better after the fact since game play is about 45mins with 3 to 4 players. Really fun! I do recommend this game especially if you love Clank!
sounds like your experience was similar to ours! yikes, dropping the big deck... gives me the shudders imagining it!
Just curious if the game that is left after the campaign...is also almost 2 hours a play? Or is it back to a shorter length like normal Clank! Once the campaign is done?
yup once the campaign is over, things go back to normal :)
Wow, that's not how we play Clank at all! We learned, a while back, that the player who rushes always loses (because the others get stronger decks and yet still make it out)... so we always play chicken, escaping when the dragon risk get too high. And then of course there's suddenly the desperate rush back.
oh sure, i agree that people complaining that the game is "broken" because someone can always run in as fast as possible, get a treasure and get out to win is just silly. that's a guaranteed way to lose. but we find that after we've both stayed down for a a bit, and we're getting down to only 4 or so hitpoints left, there's a MAJOR rush to get out first, since one bad bag draw could kill you when things are getting that low :)
@@rahdo That's exactly when we escape, when we feel we're at a real risk of dying. It does take longer in a 4p game, though!
This was my biggest complaint about the solo mode of Clank in space. There was no real threat. You could take your time and make some relatively weak decisions and escape without a problem.
I played the first time ever and got a C on the campaign. The next time I played I got a A+ on all levels and the campaign. I'm hoping my friends like the multiplayer much more, which happens in a lot of games.
I look forward to playing this. I can see why over-long sessions are a pain but my wife always loses interest after a session is complete so post-game resolutions are less interesting
You may not be able to answer this if it's a potential spoiler: The reason I abandoned base Clank! for In Space was the card class combos where if you played this card during the same hand (similar to Legendary Marvel) you get a bonus which leads to focusing on a card class type. Is that present at all in Acquisitions?
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nope, that star realms-style combo system that they used in clank in space never appears in here in legacy
Thanks Rhado
Best reviews period
I had to check twice to see if I had accidentally changed the speed of the video. Man you are in a hurry to get through all the games :D
Thanks Rahdo! I think your final thoughts on this one will help our journey thru Clank! Legacy be more fun and enjoyable!!
For anyone wondering, the sticker hang issue was not fixed in the final version
that's a bummer :(
We remain enthusiasts of Clank at RSP, and it has been a stayer over here. Though I never ventured much into space I am very excited to see what this brings to the table, and of course who doesn't enjoy the shenanigans of Acquisitions Incorporated?
- Mike
Events happening mid-game seem pretty thematic to me. It sounds more realistic than waiting for the events to unravel while we sleep. One way of solving the issue of bookkeeping errors is to tick the items off on the card itself since you are going to destroy it anyway. Just a thought.
yup, that's why i was suggesting literally crossing them off as you do them. i wish it had occurred to me while playing :)
I agree that events should happen mid-game, but they should be designed in a way that does not pull you out of the drama like a TV ad.
@rahdo Just tell the publishers to put some Paolo in every box to ensure no errors are made during game sessions ;)
How does the completed version compare with vanilla clank or clank in space which of those three not including the campaign is best? Will playing with the finished board also be much longer than the original game?
at this point, if i had to choose, i'd rather play my custom version of clank, but a big part of the reason why is because there's so many personal touches that jen and i added to the game.
@rahdo How many cards would you say it adds to the regular Clank! ? With all the stickers and everything, do you know if we can have a second play through to add even more after ?Thanks
i'm not sure how many cards there are in total. i expect you could find that on the publishers website.
the game's not setup that you could go through the campaign a 2nd time. once you've finished, you've got a unique copy of clank that can't be undone
Hi!
Clank legacy has already arrived to Spain and i could get a copy :)
What do you think about playing the campaing for two players? Would It be ok, or the game only works for more players?
Thank you!
it works great for 2 :)
Hey Richard! We don't have any Clank in our collection and because we are thinking of getting one we need your help.
I don't know if we like the legacy aspect, as we haven't played again a legacy game before, that's why I will focus on normal play.
So, would you recommend post-campaign Clank Legacy over Clank and Clank in Space? Just for your information money is not a factor as I find all three Clanks at the same price from a local store.
Thank you!
that's a tough one. personally we really enjoy legacy games, so that's how we'd choose. i guess do you want stronger narrative woven into your gameplay (legacy), or do you prefer to just stick to the gameplay and decisions and stuff (in space)?
@@rahdo Thanks for the response, Richard! If you leave out the legacy aspect, which of the 3 Clanks would you choose?
@@manos2495 i'm fondest of in space, but in large part because i love all the pop culture references to sci fi movies :)
@@rahdo I love sci-fi too! One last question, please. Other than the theme preference (sci-fi or fantasy) do you think Clank Legacy is up to the level of Clank and Clank in Space for "normal" (post-campaign) play? Would you like to play it? Thank you!
@@manos2495 yeah, i'd say it's comparable :)
You mention legacy works with clank but does it work with clank in space?
nope, not in space, i'm afraid :(
Since completing the campaign have the two of you played the game with the Upper Management Pack characters? If so, how much different does it make the game?
nope, the never sent those out, or we would have definitely tried them
@rahdo, thanks for the great review, is it ok to play this with only 2 players or we will miss cards and goodies?
nope, once the game is over, you can 'upgrade' the two characters you didn't play so that it's like a full 4p went through the campaign :)
When dose this game come out
i think you can preorder it now, but won't be out until november
Is there a problem with runaway/campaign leader, since clank is competitive?
My City you publicly kept track of who was winning the campaign, and several games before the end you said something happened that meant Jen knew she could no longer win the campaign and that was a downer for the last few games.
I think either Seafall or Charterstone had the same problem.
we didn't see that happen, but we're just one bullet opint, so can't say for sure :)
I’ve been looking for something to fill the time until Frosthaven is delivered (and have no experience with the Clank! universe). Will this provide the apropos gaming fix?
clank is a LOT lighter than gloomhaven. this was a fun expansion, though we were done with it in under a week, so i'm not sure if it'll tide you over for the full wait :)
Do you think one could combine this finished game with the original clank plus expansion boards in the legacy box?
yes, i should have mentioned in the video that this is exactly what i'm going to do (though it means tossing the vacuum formed insert...
I was wondering that too! I have all the promos and expansions sleeved! How are protecting the minis after tossing the insert? Will they all fit in the cardporium box? I only watched your final thoughts... I can't wait to get my preorder and get to clankin! Thanks!
@@nvoll84 they're pretty solid minis... nothing flimsy about them. that said, it's not a bad idea to use the cardporium box (especially if you paint them, i suppose).
Sorry for the double comment. I thought the old video got deleted so I didn’t go digging through my notifications. Thanks 2x for the answer 😊
Erm it's 4 automatically or 6 in a 2p game if 1 player got out.
Also: I'm excited for my copy I like Clank and getting Legacy kinda allows me to own clank and have fun new mechanics
Hi Rahdo. I've got frame rate issues with this video (and noticed it on a few other videos recently). It kind of stutters. Watching it on a Roku. Put it onto my mobile and it was a bit better, but not great. Just wanted to let you know. That aside, awesome video, thank you!
really, that's strange, i don't know that this video is any different than any others. does anyone else have this issue?
@@rahdo nope, works fine for me
I'm only getting 720p on this video for done reason. Just watched your latest rail pass video and it's all fine at 1080p.
Is this something you would recommend for someone that has never played any Clank?
yeah, it's is a fine intro to clank. the only reason i might pause is that if you discover you don't like clank, this is a more expensive way to have that experiment.
@@rahdo Thanks I was wondering the same
@@rahdo there's no such thing as not liking Clank! :P
How many sleeves are needed for the game? You said you didn't use about 30 cards? I plan to sleeve as we acquire new cards... This is a deck builder after all. Haha
i think this is talked about in the game's FAQ: www.direwolfdigital.com/clank-legacy-acquisitions-incorporated/faq/
RE: the length of the games and feeling honor bound to complete every quest on the board, this is from the Dire Wolf design diary:
"The group will continue to receive Contract cards throughout the course of the campaign. These cards can remain outstanding across games. Often, a group is presented with more Contracts than they can (or care to) complete within a given game, so players have agency in how they prioritize them. Remember that Clank! Legacy Acquisitions Incorporated at its heart is a competitive game, so players will sometimes prioritize strategic scoring over story reveals."
yup, the tricky thing is that if players opt to stop buying new cards once their decks are big enough, then there's almost no threat in the game that players face, and they can stay out and explore forever. normally that's not an issue in clank because there aren't a half dozen different story chapters that you want to experience... you go in and you get out asap. but now the design is fundamentally at odds with itself, and it does change the overall tenor of the game (at least, during the campaign)
@@rahdo was there a Market clearing mechanism in the game? If not, sounds like a needed house rule.
@@DerekEskens in regular clank there's not (and it's not really needed). legacy does actually introduce one later in the campaign, but it's not there throughout
Thanks for having me asking myself if I can wait the French localized version (if there’s one coming up) or not... :D
Do you need the base game?
Do you need the spatial personal cards?
You do not need the base game, this is a stand alone game.
i'm not sure what the spatial personal cards are?
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No, you need nothing else.
Pretty sure if they made the games short and had 10 missions people would never pay the price for the game. It's quite a pricey game in the legacy game department.
I'm still interested to hear if after the campaign you will ever come across the content that you missed during the game?
i was actually suggesting shorter but more sessions (like 15 instead of 10 :)
once the campaign is over, there's likely going to be a few open quests still that you can still follow up on in subsequent plays. but there will be 20-30 cards that are simply not going to be part of your world because of choices you made. however, there's nothing stopping you from simply adding those cards to the deck as well :)
Great review.
thats a huge box
But it *is* the game's fault.
Perhaps you're being polite.
Robert Konigsberg huh?
@@arthurdent9281 Radho says regularly that his mistakes aren't the games fault, they're his. But the designers are still responsible for making a game too difficult to follow. If the game is so complicated that a vastly experienced player and reviewer could make such costly mistakes in bookkeeping, then the game is too hard to bookkeep - more casual gamers are going to have an even harder time.
I think Radho is just being polite by saying it's not the game's fault. He knows very well it is, and by proxy, the developers' fault. The designers should have done better. And (here I'm drawing conjecture) behind closed doors, I'm sure Radho would actually agree that it's the designers' fault. But he is being polite.
@@RobertKonigsberg That's ridiculous. They give you a step by step list to follow. If you can't follow a list, that's really not the game's fault.
Maybe they could do something to force you to follow the list, but I don't know how they would do that. If you can't follow a list, then you'll probably mess up whatever method they use.
@@arthurdent9281 don't be nasty.
@@RobertKonigsberg I didn't mean "you" in the personal sense. I meant it as anyone playing the game. I just find it ridiculous to think that it's the game's fault that a list of maybe 3 to 6 steps can't be followed.
Still not a fan of legacy games. :-/
Clank is so boringk