Love this channel so much! Thank you for the exhaustive and insightful treatment of DF83 and the comparisons against so many other grinders and burrs. I just ordered my own DF83 and excited for it to arrive. Keep up the good work!
Thank you very much for your kind words and congratulations. You should have lots of fun with your new grinder. I have many more videos about DF83 and still consider it one of my favourite machines.
Another great video Jack, the DF83 with the bigger burs looks like a winner. I think it will be a nice upgrade from the Breville Smart Grinder Pro which I've been using daily now for many yeas. Thanks for sharing.
Nice video! How about those wanting to stay under the 700-800 range, and like the DF83V with stock espresso burrs, but dont know if the DF64v(latest version) with SSP burrs ...which one would give what flavors?? I noticed your flavor explanations seam to be the most honest. Cheers Jack! Would love to see this test, but I know you no longer have the HU burrs!! WHat do we do?? LOL
@@philindeblanc Thank you! I never had DF64v so can’t say much about it. Overall, I would say to buy DF83v as it is the best of DF grinders and maybe later on get SSP burrs, maybe used ones. Cast are my personal favourites. Recently I made a video comparing DF83v with DF64gen 2 , both with SSP MP , if you are interested: th-cam.com/video/S6Onr_iRCHA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=_jiGtsC5EYbOvlSo
I borrowed someones Niche to compare with the SSP cast burrs since I thought they might be kinda similar in profile but I sold my df64 I had the cast burrs in not sure I wanna put them back In the p64 because I'm liking the p64 stock burrs. So might compare Niche vs Df83. So far I did do one or two shots and it seemed like it was very similar but Niche had a little less clarity and more body and a bit more harshness maybe. But very pretty similar. I'll try repeating that a few times.
Update: DF83 (new / unseasoned Italmill burrs) was similar to the Niche initially, except DF83 had a little more flavour clarity and a little less body. MUCH smoother though (less bitterness). After modding the declumper I got a good amount more clarity and a reduction of body. My only complaint with the DF83 is the funnel rattles and is loud unless you hold it on, also needs a anti-popcorn mod if you're going to do hot loading which I recommend.
I had the Decent and plenty of grinders/burrs (ssp 98mm HU, 98mm LU, 98mm pre 2015 turkish, 64mm unimodal brew, 64mm MP, 64mm proM-mk, 64mm Kenya mk, SSP 73mm unimodal Guatemala SB and many more). The reason why I ditched and hate on SSP unimodal burrs, is because they are really good with super light roasts pulled fast (12-20 sec shot). The moment you go above 22-25 sec the shot gets dirty, closed, muted, with plenty of bad astringency/aftertaste. In the cup the shots with ssp if pulled long time are developing some sort of muddiness/murky water type, almost silty/gritty a bit. I had the df64, the lagom p64, ek43, ultra levercraft, bentwood c63, niche and many more. In my opinion nothing can beat a well extracted traditional flat/conical grinder, if you manage to pull a decent extraction on it with proper shot profile+temp then you will like it more than the ssp. In my opinion SSP is too narrow tastewise, mostly not layered, the shot is compact in taste, there are 1 or 2 main notes pushed forward with huge intensity (Fruits) and then the background is hard to get. With more traditional grinders the presentation is more complex/yes not as intense but the notes are spaced better.
You have a case here. Sometimes ssp mp magnifies the bad taste as well as good ones. Do you think we should use them only for Turbo shots then? I will be getting another grinder soon and at the end I would like to have one for super clarity and one for everything else. I can’t tell you yet what am I getting (surprise) but would be interested of your opinion which grinder should I pair it with.
@@mycoffeeshow111 if the beans are light then the best results on SSP MP or similar burrs would be with 1-2 ratio (longer ratio brings more bad aftertaste/ these burrs extract a lot already, raising the ratio increases extraction that you dont need) so stick to 1-2 or 1-2.2 for ssp mp) and aim for 16-22 sec shot (extractamundo, fast flow profiles like 2.5-3.5 up to 5 g./sec flow. The shot will miss some body and some texture but it will have more sweetness, clarity and flavors come upfront better. The extraction will also go higher 1 or 2% on them even if the shot is flowing much faster.
I remember getting good results with my all too common grinding too fine and getting 45sec or 1 minute shots with those burrs! Just don't let it over-extract, I usually do just under 1:2 ratios. Lately 16g in 30g out. I agree those burrs are not very balanced, but I kinda like having a super high clarity option. I have had them out of my grinder for a bit but want to go re-visit them. I'm liking the balance of the Stock P64 burrs currently.
@@BensCoffeeRants Like with everything, if you have 3 baristas you find 3 different opinions. I like to sometimes go to 1:3 just to feel the full spectrum of flavours.
Thank you. It is by far the best grinder I have ever had. I ordered it from Espresso Outlet in US. I talked with Bella Barista in UK and they will have it soon.
Thanks for this the df83 sounds Very Nice. Like the others I too am looking forward to your Niche comparison. Tell me why are you at 90&92’ on the decent ? I thought it was 93-95 to hit (we’ll on other espresso machines)
Thank you. I will record DF83 vs the Niche on this weekend. Most other espresso machines show you temperature at the boiler and that would normally go down reaching the puck, while Decent measures it at the group head.
Very good review Jack. Also I would like to get your opinion on the new Eureka Libra GBW 55mm flat burr grinder including your thoughts on the GBW function? Approx pricing in Australia is $1,600 Libra & $1,200 DF83 however I know you probably wouldn't compare these two grinders together but any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks & Cheers.
Thank you. I looked at libra and it looks to me like specialita with few extra functions. Not sure if it’s worth the price. In UK it cost around £550 vs £850 for DF83 and I would still go for DF83 as it is faster and gives you overall better flavour in the cup. If Libra was 64mm that could be a different story.
Popcorning is when you grind coffee beans and they jump up from the grinder. Retention is the amount of coffee that gets stuck inside the grinder after using it.
@@monika.tours.coffee Niche Zero has antipopcorning bit installed. For DF64 you would need to buy one. Retention on Niche is around 0.3 g but I also use a blower to help. DF64 with the blower will be around 0.1-0.2 g th-cam.com/video/-5dmBAuDHOs/w-d-xo.html
@@mycoffeeshow111 thank u soooo much .. the best person and the best channel ever .. plz keep sharing don't stop. Greetings from Egypt to you my dear 🌹♥️🤍☕
Hi Jack, i have a niche zero and a df64 with stock burrs but i cant get similar clarity with my local cafe using the same beans, would you recommend trying MP or HU burrs for the df64? I mostly drink flat whites
Hi, for flat white you may stick with what you have. Niche Zero should be perfect for this, especially with medium roast and stock burrs should be enough for lighter roasts milk based drinks. As for espresso, especially if you like clarity, MP can be great but much more difficult to dial in. They are also very good for pour overs. I never had 64mm HU burrs so can’t really comment on them.
I can only assume that yes, it should work great for something like Moccamaster as well but never tested myself. This weekend we will be testing cast burrs which should be perfect for pour overs and the results… well, you will see 😛
@@mycoffeeshow111 I'm going to correct the typos in my original comment. I recently saw another reviewer compare the DF64 with the cast burrs against the Urbanic and preferred the former for pour over. I recently got the Moccmaster to replace a several-years-old Cuisinart DCC 3200, and between a change in the same coffee I have been using, and/or the Cuisinart not brewing correctly due to age or something, and trying several new and more expensive grinders, and still experimenting with a Moccmaster, I still haven't been able to get the coffee to come out like it has been for years except for the last few months. I bought the top-of-the-line ThermoWorks Thermapen that is their fastest and most accurate, reads in one second, which just arrived earlier today, and I tested the water at the top of the grinds in the MM when it's brewing (I use the half pot setting), and it was 200°F, briefly 201°F, which should be the optimal temperature, I think. I'm having to do those little workarounds, keeping the carafe out so the grinds to get saturated, turning the water off for 20 seconds, turning it on putting the trip back to continue brewing, moving grinds into the center, etc. I think it would be easier to do straight pour over, although I've never done it. I ordered the CoffeePilot spray head that sits atop the filter basket to more evenly distribute the water, which should arrive in a week, and hopefully I won't have to go through that rigmarole. The Cuisinart brewed great--I have had several of them--but it only lasts about a year or a year and a half before it doesn't brew as well. Still, at almost 1/5 the price of the MM, I could buy one a year for five years for the same price. PS I've noticed for years on TH-cam that if you have a hearted comments and edit the comment, it removes the heart.
@@fredbloggs6080 looks like you already know more about it than myself. I have never used Moccamaster but tried the coffee out of it on many occasions from different coffee shops and it was always great. They usually pair it up with EK43 but I also drank some from Fellow Ode. I am sure there must be a solution your issue. Almost everybody says that Moccamaster is the best in this category. Good luck and let me know once you fix your issue.
@@mycoffeeshow111 Thank you. I think I'm going to order another Cuisinart DCC 3200, for $75, just to see if that's the variable. By the way, don't let people sell the Cuisinart DCC 3200 short. It has gotten a top rating by Consumer Reports for years as far as attaining the proper water temperature, you can set it to brew 1-4 cups, which preheats the water, it has a Bold setting which slows down the brewing, and the spray head sprays over all the grinds evenly. Yes, it may only last year and a half, but it's fairly inexpensive (I spend as much on coffee in 6 weeks as the price of a new cuisinart DCC 3200). I did, in fact try the Fellow Ode Gen 2 with the Gen 2 burrs, and it seemed to brew a clean cup, but without the fuller flavor of my (don't laugh) Cuisinart Supreme Grind block burr mill. But it is hard to tell because the Cuisinart coffee maker was probably failing in one way or another--I suspect it was somehow slowing down the brewing yet retaining the heat or maybe it was too hot, I don't know what might have happened. But I returned it after a couple days because it was shutting off while it was still grinding about 75% of the time, leaving maybe a tablespoon of beans in the burrs, and I didn't feel I should have to run it again since it's supposed to stop automatically as a single dose machine. (I hadn't yet got the Moccamaster before I returned the Ode. I also recently got the OXO conical grinder, a couple weeks ago and I'm just now finding the right grind setting that might be appropriate. I stopped using it for a while because it retained about a tablespoon of grinds, but I found rather than taking it apart and turning it upside down, shaking, tapping and brushing it out, blowing in it and turning it on again to get get more grinds out, which was very messy, I now turn it on again and rock it side to side and back and forth on the base for about 20 seconds, which seems to clear all the grinds stuck inside. I also got the IZpresso VP6 from Taiwan, for $200, but everything I try with that comes out more bitter--I haven't found a grind that works. Which is why I'm wondering if I should get a more expensive grinder again, should I get another Fellow Ode Gen 2, or the DF64 or more likely the DF83, but we're talking about a lot of money there, twice the price of the Fellow Ode. I just researched the Mahlkonig EKK43, and I say it's over $3000 looks like an oversized Urbanic/Fuji Royal type of grinder, except much more powerful with much larger, cast, burrs (not the ghost burrs of the Fuji Royal or available in some Grindmasters). Although I had been having for a problem getting a good brew lately, while experimenting with the Moccamaster (Select) from a second brand of the same source organic Colombian Santa Marta, which has quite a different flavor no my long-time brand, I just now got to come out very well by using a 3 inch strainer with a handle under the sprayhead and moving it around over the grinds so that it basically creates a pour over. I think this spray head is really the problem with the moccamaster, at least with the half of pot setting I use.
@@fredbloggs6080 well good luck again. What I can say is that we get used to certain tastes and it is sometimes tricky to immediately like something new. As for grinders, it takes few kg of coffee b4 they reach their peak taste.
I think Mazzer makes some burrs, but they have an alphabet soup of models. Who knows if they can even be ordered. I know Joe from Espresso Outlet here in the states is trying to have SSP add more 83mm. Think over time; we should see more releases.
@@emil_k yes there are Mazzer 83 burrs, but not sure if they are any better than Itamill. I also saw Kompak 82.5 burrs. I’m sure, if this size becomes more popular there will be more choices.
@@BensCoffeeRants ceado I had got red speed burrs installed. Unfortunately I was not able to test it as it arrived damaged. What I can say it was much bulkier and looked ugly vs DF83. I also guess it’s standard burrs would create so called classic espresso taste.
you did a great video broh , thx a lot , I am hesitate between Df64E with ssp espressso burr and screen (grinding by Time) and Df83 with standard burr ...please advice me with one the best for home use , My espresso machine is Lelit Marax v2 ...thx 🌷🌹🌹🌷
goooood job And awesome channel .. perfect 👍 I wanna buy two grinders .. what do u recommend the perfect combo with espresso and filter Niche and df64 ? Or Niche and df83 ? Cz i wiil buy two of those choices this week
@@monika.tours.coffee I would go for either DF84 or Niche and DF64 with SSP MP burrs. You can also check this video: th-cam.com/video/dk5tkHChP0s/w-d-xo.html
@@mycoffeeshow111 thank u sooooo much .. the best channel ever .. easy language , important informations , awesome comparing , good content . Thank u my dear 👍 I will go for niche and df64
My grinder broke and I had to make this exact decision. Went with the DF83 and stock burrs because I figure I can always upgrade the burrs later on if it lasts.
@@mycoffeeshow111 I bought it second hand so I'm not sure how long the previous owner had it but it stopped working after a few months unfortunately and can't be fixed. Looking forward to getting the new grinder. never used any burrs larger than 64 before
Da li je moguce da su te dve posude za kafu iste tezine bukvalno u 0,1 gram??? Cini mi se da kad si merio kolicinu zrna kafe da nisi kliknuo na tare pa onda sipao u novu posudu nego si na tare jedne stavio drugu posudu. Mozda si slucajno napravio tu gresku ili su posude zaista iste tezine sto je meni neverovatno
@@mycoffeeshow111 i have translate option in yt, anyway, it’s a remark, something Ive noticed, just wondering if those bean cups are exactly the same weight, which i doubt. Anyway, good content, cheers.
Love this channel so much! Thank you for the exhaustive and insightful treatment of DF83 and the comparisons against so many other grinders and burrs. I just ordered my own DF83 and excited for it to arrive. Keep up the good work!
Thank you very much for your kind words and congratulations. You should have lots of fun with your new grinder. I have many more videos about DF83 and still consider it one of my favourite machines.
Thanks Jack for this test! I can’t wait for your comparison of the DF83 and the Niche Zero.
Thank you. Will be working on that this weekend.
Another great video Jack, the DF83 with the bigger burs looks like a winner. I think it will be a nice upgrade from the Breville Smart Grinder Pro which I've been using daily now for many yeas. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you. You would definitely like it a lot vs Smart Grinder- no doubt about that.
lol yeah slight upgrade :D
Nice video! How about those wanting to stay under the 700-800 range, and like the DF83V with stock espresso burrs, but dont know if the DF64v(latest version) with SSP burrs ...which one would give what flavors?? I noticed your flavor explanations seam to be the most honest. Cheers Jack! Would love to see this test, but I know you no longer have the HU burrs!! WHat do we do?? LOL
@@philindeblanc Thank you! I never had DF64v so can’t say much about it. Overall, I would say to buy DF83v as it is the best of DF grinders and maybe later on get SSP burrs, maybe used ones. Cast are my personal favourites. Recently I made a video comparing DF83v with DF64gen 2 , both with SSP MP , if you are interested:
th-cam.com/video/S6Onr_iRCHA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=_jiGtsC5EYbOvlSo
Thank you Jack,this is why a lot people says bigger burrs better ! I imagine what an 83mm SSP can give !
Thx! Yep, I will be looking for some higher clarity burns- it should be awesome.
One thing for sure is this guy is fun
Thx. The whole point of this channel is to have fun while making coffee at home.
I borrowed someones Niche to compare with the SSP cast burrs since I thought they might be kinda similar in profile but I sold my df64 I had the cast burrs in not sure I wanna put them back In the p64 because I'm liking the p64 stock burrs. So might compare Niche vs Df83. So far I did do one or two shots and it seemed like it was very similar but Niche had a little less clarity and more body and a bit more harshness maybe. But very pretty similar. I'll try repeating that a few times.
Thank you for sharing. In theory Niche should be similar but muddy vs DF83 but I haven’t checked myself. Will do a video about it next weekend.
Update: DF83 (new / unseasoned Italmill burrs) was similar to the Niche initially, except DF83 had a little more flavour clarity and a little less body. MUCH smoother though (less bitterness). After modding the declumper I got a good amount more clarity and a reduction of body. My only complaint with the DF83 is the funnel rattles and is loud unless you hold it on, also needs a anti-popcorn mod if you're going to do hot loading which I recommend.
Thanks for talking about the cable. I don't know why it comes out from the right side instead of from the back.
Thx for watching. Apparently something to do with positioning of engine. I am sure they will eventually put it where it should be in the next version.
I had the Decent and plenty of grinders/burrs (ssp 98mm HU, 98mm LU, 98mm pre 2015 turkish, 64mm unimodal brew, 64mm MP, 64mm proM-mk, 64mm Kenya mk, SSP 73mm unimodal Guatemala SB and many more). The reason why I ditched and hate on SSP unimodal burrs, is because they are really good with super light roasts pulled fast (12-20 sec shot). The moment you go above 22-25 sec the shot gets dirty, closed, muted, with plenty of bad astringency/aftertaste. In the cup the shots with ssp if pulled long time are developing some sort of muddiness/murky water type, almost silty/gritty a bit. I had the df64, the lagom p64, ek43, ultra levercraft, bentwood c63, niche and many more. In my opinion nothing can beat a well extracted traditional flat/conical grinder, if you manage to pull a decent extraction on it with proper shot profile+temp then you will like it more than the ssp. In my opinion SSP is too narrow tastewise, mostly not layered, the shot is compact in taste, there are 1 or 2 main notes pushed forward with huge intensity (Fruits) and then the background is hard to get. With more traditional grinders the presentation is more complex/yes not as intense but the notes are spaced better.
You have a case here. Sometimes ssp mp magnifies the bad taste as well as good ones. Do you think we should use them only for Turbo shots then?
I will be getting another grinder soon and at the end I would like to have one for super clarity and one for everything else. I can’t tell you yet what am I getting (surprise) but would be interested of your opinion which grinder should I pair it with.
@@mycoffeeshow111 if the beans are light then the best results on SSP MP or similar burrs would be with 1-2 ratio (longer ratio brings more bad aftertaste/ these burrs extract a lot already, raising the ratio increases extraction that you dont need) so stick to 1-2 or 1-2.2 for ssp mp) and aim for 16-22 sec shot (extractamundo, fast flow profiles like 2.5-3.5 up to 5 g./sec flow. The shot will miss some body and some texture but it will have more sweetness, clarity and flavors come upfront better. The extraction will also go higher 1 or 2% on them even if the shot is flowing much faster.
@@deenman60 Thank you very much!
I remember getting good results with my all too common grinding too fine and getting 45sec or 1 minute shots with those burrs! Just don't let it over-extract, I usually do just under 1:2 ratios. Lately 16g in 30g out.
I agree those burrs are not very balanced, but I kinda like having a super high clarity option. I have had them out of my grinder for a bit but want to go re-visit them. I'm liking the balance of the Stock P64 burrs currently.
@@BensCoffeeRants Like with everything, if you have 3 baristas you find 3 different opinions. I like to sometimes go to 1:3 just to feel the full spectrum of flavours.
Hi Jack, thanks for the video. Sherbet is a frozen desert made with fruits and diary.
Thank you. Is it the same as sorbet?
@@mycoffeeshow111 is the same but without diary.
@@showmak Thank you!
Thank you Jack! Great video
Thank you for watching!
Hi Jack! Thanks for the video, the DF83 looks awesome. Where did you buy it?
Thank you. It is by far the best grinder I have ever had. I ordered it from Espresso Outlet in US. I talked with Bella Barista in UK and they will have it soon.
Thanks for this the df83 sounds Very Nice. Like the others I too am looking forward to your Niche comparison.
Tell me why are you at 90&92’ on the decent ? I thought it was 93-95 to hit (we’ll on other espresso machines)
Thank you. I will record DF83 vs the Niche on this weekend.
Most other espresso machines show you temperature at the boiler and that would normally go down reaching the puck, while Decent measures it at the group head.
Very good review Jack. Also I would like to get your opinion on the new Eureka Libra GBW 55mm flat burr grinder including your thoughts on the GBW function? Approx pricing in Australia is $1,600 Libra & $1,200 DF83 however I know you probably wouldn't compare these two grinders together but any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks & Cheers.
Thank you. I looked at libra and it looks to me like specialita with few extra functions. Not sure if it’s worth the price. In UK it cost around £550 vs £850 for DF83 and I would still go for DF83 as it is faster and gives you overall better flavour in the cup. If Libra was 64mm that could be a different story.
Awesome review
Greetings from Egypt
Thank you
Thank you Jack.
Thank you for watching.
Hey dear .. can u tell me what is the meaning of popcorning and retention
In coffee ?
Popcorning is when you grind coffee beans and they jump up from the grinder.
Retention is the amount of coffee that gets stuck inside the grinder after using it.
@@mycoffeeshow111 ahaaaa got it 👍👍
And is there any retention or popcorning in niche zero or df64 ?
Cz i ordered the two
@@monika.tours.coffee Niche Zero has antipopcorning bit installed. For DF64 you would need to buy one. Retention on Niche is around 0.3 g but I also use a blower to help. DF64 with the blower will be around 0.1-0.2 g
th-cam.com/video/-5dmBAuDHOs/w-d-xo.html
@@mycoffeeshow111 thank u soooo much .. the best person and the best channel ever .. plz keep sharing don't stop.
Greetings from Egypt to you my dear 🌹♥️🤍☕
@@monika.tours.coffee thank you!
Hi Jack, i have a niche zero and a df64 with stock burrs but i cant get similar clarity with my local cafe using the same beans, would you recommend trying MP or HU burrs for the df64? I mostly drink flat whites
Hi, for flat white you may stick with what you have. Niche Zero should be perfect for this, especially with medium roast and stock burrs should be enough for lighter roasts milk based drinks.
As for espresso, especially if you like clarity, MP can be great but much more difficult to dial in. They are also very good for pour overs. I never had 64mm HU burrs so can’t really comment on them.
@@mycoffeeshow111 thank you :)
Hi Jack! I also live in London and was wondering what water you use? The tap water here is definitely too hard.
Hi,I use BWT filters (amzn.to/3W6SKDZ) and also ECM pouch filter from Bella Barista.
You seem to prefer the SSP burrs on the DF64 with the pour over coffee. Does that apply generally to filter coffee, including automatic drip?
I can only assume that yes, it should work great for something like Moccamaster as well but never tested myself. This weekend we will be testing cast burrs which should be perfect for pour overs and the results… well, you will see 😛
@@mycoffeeshow111 I'm going to correct the typos in my original comment. I recently saw another reviewer compare the DF64 with the cast burrs against the Urbanic and preferred the former for pour over. I recently got the Moccmaster to replace a several-years-old Cuisinart DCC 3200, and between a change in the same coffee I have been using, and/or the Cuisinart not brewing correctly due to age or something, and trying several new and more expensive grinders, and still experimenting with a Moccmaster, I still haven't been able to get the coffee to come out like it has been for years except for the last few months. I bought the top-of-the-line ThermoWorks Thermapen that is their fastest and most accurate, reads in one second, which just arrived earlier today, and I tested the water at the top of the grinds in the MM when it's brewing (I use the half pot setting), and it was 200°F, briefly 201°F, which should be the optimal temperature, I think. I'm having to do those little workarounds, keeping the carafe out so the grinds to get saturated, turning the water off for 20 seconds, turning it on putting the trip back to continue brewing, moving grinds into the center, etc. I think it would be easier to do straight pour over, although I've never done it. I ordered the CoffeePilot spray head that sits atop the filter basket to more evenly distribute the water, which should arrive in a week, and hopefully I won't have to go through that rigmarole. The Cuisinart brewed great--I have had several of them--but it only lasts about a year or a year and a half before it doesn't brew as well. Still, at almost 1/5 the price of the MM, I could buy one a year for five years for the same price.
PS I've noticed for years on TH-cam that if you have a hearted comments and edit the comment, it removes the heart.
@@fredbloggs6080 looks like you already know more about it than myself. I have never used Moccamaster but tried the coffee out of it on many occasions from different coffee shops and it was always great. They usually pair it up with EK43 but I also drank some from Fellow Ode.
I am sure there must be a solution your issue. Almost everybody says that Moccamaster is the best in this category.
Good luck and let me know once you fix your issue.
@@mycoffeeshow111 Thank you. I think I'm going to order another Cuisinart DCC 3200, for $75, just to see if that's the variable. By the way, don't let people sell the Cuisinart DCC 3200 short. It has gotten a top rating by Consumer Reports for years as far as attaining the proper water temperature, you can set it to brew 1-4 cups, which preheats the water, it has a Bold setting which slows down the brewing, and the spray head sprays over all the grinds evenly. Yes, it may only last year and a half, but it's fairly inexpensive (I spend as much on coffee in 6 weeks as the price of a new cuisinart DCC 3200). I did, in fact try the Fellow Ode Gen 2 with the Gen 2 burrs, and it seemed to brew a clean cup, but without the fuller flavor of my (don't laugh) Cuisinart Supreme Grind block burr mill. But it is hard to tell because the Cuisinart coffee maker was probably failing in one way or another--I suspect it was somehow slowing down the brewing yet retaining the heat or maybe it was too hot, I don't know what might have happened. But I returned it after a couple days because it was shutting off while it was still grinding about 75% of the time, leaving maybe a tablespoon of beans in the burrs, and I didn't feel I should have to run it again since it's supposed to stop automatically as a single dose machine. (I hadn't yet got the Moccamaster before I returned the Ode. I also recently got the OXO conical grinder, a couple weeks ago and I'm just now finding the right grind setting that might be appropriate. I stopped using it for a while because it retained about a tablespoon of grinds, but I found rather than taking it apart and turning it upside down, shaking, tapping and brushing it out, blowing in it and turning it on again to get get more grinds out, which was very messy, I now turn it on again and rock it side to side and back and forth on the base for about 20 seconds, which seems to clear all the grinds stuck inside. I also got the IZpresso VP6 from Taiwan, for $200, but everything I try with that comes out more bitter--I haven't found a grind that works. Which is why I'm wondering if I should get a more expensive grinder again, should I get another Fellow Ode Gen 2, or the DF64 or more likely the DF83, but we're talking about a lot of money there, twice the price of the Fellow Ode.
I just researched the Mahlkonig EKK43, and I say it's over $3000 looks like an oversized Urbanic/Fuji Royal type of grinder, except much more powerful with much larger, cast, burrs (not the ghost burrs of the Fuji Royal or available in some Grindmasters).
Although I had been having for a problem getting a good brew lately, while experimenting with the Moccamaster (Select) from a second brand of the same source organic Colombian Santa Marta, which has quite a different flavor no my long-time brand, I just now got to come out very well by using a 3 inch strainer with a handle under the sprayhead and moving it around over the grinds so that it basically creates a pour over. I think this spray head is really the problem with the moccamaster, at least with the half of pot setting I use.
@@fredbloggs6080 well good luck again. What I can say is that we get used to certain tastes and it is sometimes tricky to immediately like something new.
As for grinders, it takes few kg of coffee b4 they reach their peak taste.
I hope to see MP / cast burrs available in 83mm, great video.
Thank you. There are other companies making 83 burrs but I don’t know enough about them to recommend at the moment.
I think Mazzer makes some burrs, but they have an alphabet soup of models. Who knows if they can even be ordered. I know Joe from Espresso Outlet here in the states is trying to have SSP add more 83mm. Think over time; we should see more releases.
@@emil_k yes there are Mazzer 83 burrs, but not sure if they are any better than Itamill. I also saw Kompak 82.5 burrs. I’m sure, if this size becomes more popular there will be more choices.
@@mycoffeeshow111 I think someone mentioned Caedo 83mm burrs fit.
@@BensCoffeeRants ceado I had got red speed burrs installed. Unfortunately I was not able to test it as it arrived damaged. What I can say it was much bulkier and looked ugly vs DF83. I also guess it’s standard burrs would create so called classic espresso taste.
Thank you great 👍 🎉🎉
Thank you for watching!
you did a great video broh , thx a lot , I am hesitate between Df64E with ssp espressso burr and screen (grinding by Time) and Df83 with standard burr ...please advice me with one the best for home use , My espresso machine is Lelit Marax v2 ...thx 🌷🌹🌹🌷
Thx for watching. DF83 is simply better. Now, DF64 V possibly could be an interesting option as well.
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thx for your quick reply ...
I need comapring between niche and DF83 as soon as possible plzzzz
Cz i need to buy one of them this week plzzzzzzz 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
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goooood job
And awesome channel .. perfect 👍
I wanna buy two grinders .. what do u recommend the perfect combo with espresso and filter
Niche and df64 ?
Or
Niche and df83 ?
Cz i wiil buy two of those choices this week
@@monika.tours.coffee I would go for either DF84 or Niche and DF64 with SSP MP burrs.
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thank u sooooo much .. the best channel ever .. easy language , important informations , awesome comparing , good content .
Thank u my dear 👍
I will go for niche and df64
Good job, congratulation
Thank you for watching. I will be installing HU burrs for DF83 today
Great video!
Thx for watching!
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My grinder broke and I had to make this exact decision. Went with the DF83 and stock burrs because I figure I can always upgrade the burrs later on if it lasts.
How long your previous grinder lasted? Haven’t heard about many DF64 breaking down.
Have you had a chance to test DF83 yet?
@@mycoffeeshow111 I bought it second hand so I'm not sure how long the previous owner had it but it stopped working after a few months unfortunately and can't be fixed.
Looking forward to getting the new grinder. never used any burrs larger than 64 before
Da li je moguce da su te dve posude za kafu iste tezine bukvalno u 0,1 gram??? Cini mi se da kad si merio kolicinu zrna kafe da nisi kliknuo na tare pa onda sipao u novu posudu nego si na tare jedne stavio drugu posudu. Mozda si slucajno napravio tu gresku ili su posude zaista iste tezine sto je meni neverovatno
I have no idea what did you say but I take it as a complement anyway 😛
@@mycoffeeshow111 i have translate option in yt, anyway, it’s a remark, something Ive noticed, just wondering if those bean cups are exactly the same weight, which i doubt. Anyway, good content, cheers.
@@nemanjastanimirov2684 thx. Just checked They both are 59.1g precisely.
Hahah al si mu rekao
Pomislio sam da je nas
Is it an Incan crown over your head ?
Haha! It is in fact a halo as I am a saint. Saint Jack of Holy Coffee 😛