The Ancient Mystery of Gobekli Tepe: Unraveling History's Greatest Puzzle
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Would love to see what you folks think of some of the other sites made famous by Graham Hancock and his recent Netflix show that visits many different locations including Gobekli Tepe.
coverage of what may have happened in the Younger Dryas and the melt off of ice sheets of northern hemisphere was very superficial (i.e., the impact on humanity around the globe, etc). And it very likely intersects with what happened at this site per its evolution through the centuries it was inhabited (or used)
There is a picture of Göbeklitepe on the Sumerian tablets.
"The pre-pottery period was the time before pottery was invented."
I love the way that worked out for the archeologists.
Archaeology is weird. Imagine if future archaeologists discovered our society through the remains of a single adult toy store, and historians called us "the D**do People" for the rest of history.
An apt description of our society.
That's pretty much how archaeology works...atleast until evidence to the contrary becomes overwhelming
It's how science works, you focus on the most likely explanation, then when you find evidence to the contrary you move on to the next most likely explanation
"These artifacts probably had a ceremonial or religious function. Due to the number and variety of objects found, this building may have been a temple or shrine."
I think about this a lot actually. People often think that Egyptians were obsessed with death simply because for most of the last 2000 years most of what we knew about ancient Egypt were just their pyramids and tombs, people often think stone age humans only or mainly lived in caves because that's where we found many bodies and artifacts since they're far better preserved there, and people used to mainly think of the Norse as nothing but warriors and Vikings because many of the records from that time were written by the people the Vikings raided. Our understanding changed a ton when we got more info on each of those cultures but it's funny how narrowly people viewed them for a long time.
And the fact that they already used ground penetrative radar that shows structures UNDER the one we see today. So even older than 9000BC
What I find insane is that around 9000-8000BC is just as old to the ancient Egyptians as the ancient Egyptians are to us. Like, if you can picture just how ancient the Pyramids are, this place would be twice as old as that.
@@Michael-zf1ko Cleopatra is closer in time to us now then she was to when the Great Pyramid was new.
always remember boys: no one in the history of humanity was as close to first contact with aliens than us! :D
I appreciate Simon being a real person. Half the voices on videos aren't anymore.
I find it fascinating that this place would have had a name originally, which has been lost to time.
We'll never know what the people who built it and lived there called it and called themselves.
Per a history professor I had once, we *know* that Jewish high priests had a special name for God that was known only to them and passed down to their sons. Unfortunately, with the destruction of the Second Temple by the Romans and the subsequent death of the last high priest, this name is lost to history, as there is no indication that name was ever written down.
Gobleki tepenians
Someone invents a time machine and goes back to ask them but, through a mistranslation the guy who gets asked thinks the traveler is asking for _his_ name, specifically.
Traveler: _"They called themselves 'Jeffs'!"_
The creator gives the name GÖBEKLI TEPE
@@NarwahlGaming I think I saw somewhere that explorers in the Americas asked natives what was the name of a mountain and started writing it on maps. Eventually they discovered that in the local language it meant "it's a mountain".
Or maybe it was in a Discworld book, I'm not sure 😅
The challenge with such early sites is the urge to impose our assumptions...that we have also imposed on far later developed societies/civilizations
Would you consider a video about the Paisley Caves in Oregon? The Paisley caves is one of the oldest sites in North America of humans, somewhere around ten thousand years old. Maybe a Sideproject video?
just go read the Wikipedia article, its pretty much the same as his videos
@@nicholasbrown668 well sorta yea. I am just from Oregon, and would really enjoy seeing Simon make a video about my state :)
They will never admit civilization is older then the current timeline. They keep finding Tepe sites all over Turkey, what they were all nomads coming and going? Lol or they actually lived at some sites, used others for food, religion etc. Thats a civilization! The idea that hunter gathers just woke up one day and built this place might be the dumbest idea ever!
If your claim is true, those sites still need to be verified and dated. Finding out what the nomads were actually doing takes time.
2. That is not civilization, which requires permanent settlement and agriculture to be considered such. Even if it was, there's no evidence
3. He never said they woke up and built it. Evidence shows it was built over time. Thousands of years of history.
@@blckspice5167 Well no the main theory for the largest T Pillars is that they literally came out of nowhere. The rest like he says was built over time, along with worse craftsmanship (another common theme at ancient sites).
Civilization is not a easy thing to define, I get that. But these sites are EVERYWHERE in that area. They keep finding new ones, even some in the sea! All are dated to this same time period. To me it's starting to look like this was a civilization with towns or villages, temples, hunting sites etc.
@@blckspice5167 The evidence any archeologist gives you about how long it took to build the Tepes or that they were not a civilized society is unfounded and biased. They don't want a rewrite of civilization timeline because it breaks their narratives and will ultimately lead to them not getting funded if popularity moves away from their own projects. We are in a time right now in archaeology is having to cope with a break down similar to other fields of study. Geologists are already supporting expanded timelines because their science has no problem supporting. Archaeology barely gets any funding at all so the idea of things being more popular that could get more funding than what they have spent their careers on terrifies them. When they say their is no evidence surrounding civilization of the Tepe sites, they are projecting. They want to be dismissive because any archaeologist who holds to their guns that civilization didn't start until Mesopotamia is gonna look like a creationist in the beginning of Darwinism and this is coming from a historian.
Hasn't this site done just what you say isn't being done? The site was obviously the work of a civilized people and it's discovery pushed back the timeline of civilizations by a few thousand years. And who are the "they" you refer to? If it's historians or archeologists, then they don't usually make claims until they can be proven.
@@leftfield123 Archeologists is they and no this wasn't a civilization so the timeline hasn't changed. That's my argument. Obviously it was a civilization. Tepe sites all. Over that area, MASSIVE underground cities with tunnels that run for miles connecting them! That's not a civilization??
Really enjoyed this video, and especially appreciated your reference to primary sources by a variety of researchers. More like this, please!
his primary source is Wikipedia lmao
I really should start a channel. Gobleki tepe isnt the only site. Initially identified as a prehistoric site in 1963 in the frame of a Turkish-American archaeological survey project, Göbekli Tepe was more or less forgotten for over thirty years, attention turning instead to the site of Çayönü Tepesi (Ergani/Diyarbakır) discovered during the same survey. In the interim years, excavations at Çayönü and other sites, including Cafer Höyük, Hallan Çemi and Nevalı Çori, revealed much more about the transition from hunter-gatherer to sedentary societies. Gobleki tepe is something else.
Living on the border of the US and Canada, I can imagine a hunting camp where guys get together, hunt, make beer and chip at their totem. Over years, the place would get popular and you would regulate the game and bring grain from home and make more beer and chips and before long.. you have a early day Disneyland.
🎵 It's da second week of deer camp and all da guys are here! 🎶
@@NarwahlGaming that song actually personifies the local flavor.
@@Meinstein It's the only way to live life! 😂😂
Been waiting on a SW update on this for years 🎉 let’s gooooo
If they've only excavated 5% of the site then how can they make all these final calls about them not having written history and stuff?
Because theres basic writing(pictographs rather than letters) on the blocks we have found, which would lead to the reasonable assumption that the people who made it probably had a basic writing system, but we havent found anything that seems to be a historical reference within the pictographs we've found, leading to the assumption that the pictograph-writing system they had was used more for religious purposes rather than for accounting history or economic trade as we've found with some of the earliest Babylonian cuneiform tablets, which is generally considered the first proper writing system.
@@Im-Not-a-Dog right on, thank you.
@@OfficialFA what??
Most of what is not uncovered yet are the more minor portions of the site, they surveyed and scanned the area and made the calls to target what they deemed most likely to be the most important places to dig first. With each digs taking years to complete and has chance of causing damage to surrounding areas this step and pilot digs are essential. So far they have found pictogram and attempts at recording that are early precursors to a writing system. It stands to reason that if they does have a written language then they would not have been still using these precursor methods.
The scorpion and vulture icons really mean step on a scorpion and become vulture food
Well done video. Thank you for the informative discussion of this important ancient edifice.
The hand bag looking images depicted along the top of pillar 43 have been found in multiple sites across the world
That has intrigued me for a long time. Can be seen at sites which have been considered abour 10,000 years old
What is the meaning behind this.
Did they have manbags then.
@@markf3229 I believe the sites were built by differing cultures aswell. Usually in the hands of or depicted with beings that are "keeper's of knowledge".
Yes, they are present in Sumerian and Babylonian imagery, also Central American, South American and I think Egyptian too. Probably others as well.
@@Pushing_Pixels So what they depict figures with hands and heads. We are humans the number of symbols we use a limited. In my wife handbag we searched for alien artifacts but found none we asked friends on other continents with hand bags and they did not find alien artifacts either.
@@markf3229 really which sites would that be?.Who dated them with what method?
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Absolutely crazy that you can clearly see the carvings 10000 years, our concept of time is so skewed and we have definitely lost so much in transition
Just a reminder to keep the people of Turkey in your thoughts and prayers after last weeks earthquakes
Still waiting for the cctv. Got a link?
Yeah because thoughts and prayers are what they need. How about doing something more for them instead of nothing like you suggest.
I would love to see a biographics on Graham Hancock and what Simon's thoughts are of his theories regarding early technologies and restartings of civilization.
This is just mainstream stuff, this guy doesn't really challenge the theories that archaeologists come up with. Not to say we should just jump into conspiracy theories but it does need some consideration...
You can infer what he thinks by his use of highly problematic in regards to his one mention of Grahams series. As great as Simon's shows are he's probably not the person you want reviewing Hancock's work because he's going to go into it highly biased in favor of mainstream archeology and against Hancock's theories so you're unlikely to get a fair review
@@zoidberg78 That's what I would enjoy. I'd like to hear his opinions on Hancock's theories, and any issues he has with them. I like discourse, and I enjoy hearing from different perspectives. Especially from intelligent people I respect.
I agree, there’s a sense of scoffing at anything not mainstream on most of his channels.
Especially to conspiracies that have popped up over the past couple years, now being proven true…
Love the show, but I do find it a bit elitist and under researched
@@nirvana131995 I personally don't care for Simon's opinion on archeological things, if they were important the tangents on his other channels would be more profitable
Nemrut Dagh, in Eastern Turkiye is also a mysterious site. Many collosal heads, carved from stone - nearly identical, they dot a mountain plateau.
Been waiting for Simon to cover this fascinating archeological site.
He did a video on this on his geographics channel, I’d recommend checking it out, though I agree this video goes far more in depth into some of the theories of the structure
Tinfoil Hat: It was an ancient "grocery store" with the animals marking the "aisles" for which their meat could be processed/found.
F*ck the ancient astronaut theory, it was Walmart all along ! 😅
I am no historian, but I would definitely take that as a theory of it being some old market XD. Usually the truth is always the most boring answer.
This was done on Geographics before. Now in Megaprojects also.
According to Ai-Moitor, Gobekli Tepe was not damaged by the earthquake.
Armenians for thousands of years have been known for their BBQs with shish kebabs, Shawarma dishes and stuffed grape leaves as well and Portasar (or in gibberish Gobekli Tepe) sits on the Western Armenian Highlands. Portasar was most likely the birth place of the Zoroastrian religion. Thus Sprach Zarathustra in a "2001 : A Space Odyssey" and monolith way.
I've already watched several accounts of Gobekli Tepe but this one gives a better more balanced review of the evidence and or lack thereof.
Even without any of the "woo woo" stuff, this site is absolutely fascinating! And intriguing.... Who built it and what did their lives look like? How did they have the time and knowledge to do all of that? What was it's purpose? it's such an interesting glimpse into life so far back that it's mind blowing
@@danelynch7171 Simple they gathered and hunted in large groups and shared. The time the typical Anericans soends in front of a TV they used to build things.
@@TorianTammas you sound fun to be around.
FYI, re. the roughly 14m mark, if they moved the monuments around, and if this site was occupied for thousands of years, that's actually evidence that the layout *is* celestial considering the constellations move over time with precession.
You'd have to document that they were moved in conjunction with the apparent motion of the stars. Hard to do.
Another video, the 3rd one today featuring you and your awesome, awesome beard !!!!
No wonder your head looks like Megaminds....
Martian Sweatman completely ignores all the symbols on the pillar that don’t fit in with his baseless and aspirational claims. His entire argument is an appeal to authority, where he is the authority. His paper is really bad.
In a statement, the Göbekli Tepe Research Project team confirmed the news initially reported by Turkey’s General Directorate of Cultural Assets and Museums: that the 11,500-year-old structure in southeastern Anatolia was not damaged by the recent quake.
hell yeah im so glad you covered this
Nothing about ancient civilization, but grain was produced on an industrial level…. 5000 years before anything we thought we knew… but it doesn’t change how we view civilization… umm okay
There is no proof of that at all. Just a claim based on selective evidence. Such a claim needs to be verified.
Isn't it amazing that what we see is only a bit of it?! And they had nothing but stone tools! Truly stunning!
A shame they didn’t have a system of writing. This being a temple site with beer brewing evidence, they must have had their own equivalent of the Sumerian Ode to Ninkasi.
Sky Burials? Wow. One of my favorite films is Martin Scorsese's, Kundun. Amazing piece of work.
I’ve been waiting for a video on this by Simon. 🎉
He did one already on another channel I think. Geographics maybe?
It is a really mind-blowing site. It shows that religion is much older than civilization in contrast to nowadays opinion.
Monuments? As an engineer, it looks much more like foundation stones for storage tanks with non-flat bases; so they can be drained from the bottom.
Our dear bearded TH-cam *overlord* Simon needs to upgrade to 4k recording and video on YT so we can better observe our wonderful knowledge wizard when he's edumakating us
First off. Everything back then was aligned to the stars. That was their television. We can’t see truly how amazing the sky is now a days cause of light pollution but. You can bet everything that it Was aligned to something in the sky
I’ll go one further and say most likely it was aligned the star. Sirius Not today obviously it has moved since then
Why do you make that assumption?
Too much conspiracy tv buddy.
Nah. Just 26yrs in the field studying. Ofcourse it’s a just my theory but. Go into the desert and look up. You might get it without havin to do any work
Turkey has some of the richest history on the planet and some of the most fascinating and ancient structures and monuments around. It deeply saddens me to think what history might have been lost in the recent earthquake alongside the many tragic deaths, and in Syria as well. I wish nothing but the best for the people of the region and hope to keep learning more about the history of their homeland
it is where civilization began. almost all the animals and plants we use today originated or are related to plants that originated in this turkey/syria/Kazakhstan area
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:East_Terrace_(4961356591).jpg
Nemrut dağı is a unesco heritage site in Adiyaman, where a number of large statues are erected around what is assumed to be a royal tomb from the 1st century BC. U know why all statues are beheaded? Because they witnessed so many earthquakes, beheadedness become their "original condition" and nobody dared to change that.
After 2100 years we are still learning, but slowly.
kind of crazy but many of the oldest artifacts and archeological sites we have are in a rather narrow stretch of land from Turkey south along the Mediterranean into Egypt and east from Turkey along the Euphrates and Tigris rivers into the Gulf. That relatively small area has many of the oldest settlements discovered so far and many of the longest inhabited places on earth. The first multistory buildings, the first tower, and the first settlement walls were all in the Levant and the first real civilizations and empires were mostly in the Fertile Crescent. Israel alone has nearly as much Paleolithic and Neolithic sites/artifacts as Europe or North America. The hunt for Jericho basically jump started archeology in the region and the city has layers stretching back to before the invention of pottery going back roughly 12,000 years. It's crazy but settlements often just kept building up layers from garbage, ash, and dirt in paper thin layers every year until the settlement is on top of an artificial hill.
@@arthas640 it seems like a lot of people in the area(the fertile crescent, as it's so accurately called) also tended to rebuild their settlements and cities on top of one another, so not only is there an unimaginable amount of history along that stretch of land, it goes pretty damn deep, too.
Modern experiments to construct showed 14 people needed. Stones as cutting tools. But also the 14 had language and blueprints of what to build and how to build and a communication system and goal to build as part of an experiment. So assuming no language in 10K BC how do you communicate a circle shape and the radius? How to you assign the workers - was there a social hierarchy with police and slaves and engineers? Also it is interesting that this is the shape of the monolith (minus the T) in 2001 Space Odyssey.
Sometimes I think that prehistoric humans just looked at each other and said “lets confuse the shit out of people in the future”. Then the other guy laughs, says “oogga boogga LOL, lets do it LMFAO”
Sounds like it was the world's first supermarket. Slaughterhouse/grain mill for people to bring their critters and wheat to be processed for sale or personal consumption.
If there was a "dedicated artist class" who were trained to make the carvings, we should eventually find even more of them. There should be caves and tombs full of these amazing relief carvings, just waiting for people to find them
I asked for this 6 days ago on emperor Qins video and 6 days later it’s done!
Confirming why Simon is my number 1 TH-camr
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So what you’re saying is it was a seasonal place to bring in the grain harvest, have a bbq and make some bread and beer? Sounds like a good time.
Just consider how difficult it is for us to comprehend 100 year time frames. The US is only around 250 years old. Now imagine multiplying that time frame by 120 and that's roughly where this thing is. Just astonishing.
I love his channel but he doesn't think outside the box at all
I how much detail this video goes into! I think it's a step up in script-writing, my new favorite Simon video.
you shouldn't think he's good lmao, im his warographics and biographics videos he just straight up recites Wikipedia
he also has a really really weird habit of spouting propaganda and western racial terms against Russians
@@nicholasbrown668
Please provide detailed examples of what he's doing wrong, or keep your biased opinions to yourself.
Nobody is going to take your word for it.
@@jamisojo In the A10 video he straight up recites Wikipedia for half the video
and in his videos on Ukraine he regularly references the word "orc" so yes he is a piece of shit Wikipedia artist
😉
and in his latest F16 video, he praises a con artist and group of con artists for something they never even did (and the only source that supports him is......Wikipedia)
@@jamisojo I can also point out his most recent videos on Ukraine as doing nothing but spouting Ukrainian propaganda over and over again,
his video over the T90 just verbatim used an article from Army Recognition as half the script, and several of his videos over US jets are again just verbatim Wikipedia
his latest F16 video literally praises the "fighter mafia" and Pierre Sprey, a renowned Con Artist and lying piece of shit who claims he designed every US Aircraft from the F16,A10, F15, F35
Joe Rogan would like a word with you sir.
Earthquakes filled in that gigantic site that still hasn't been fully uncovered yet, but somehow didn't wreck the pillars, status, rock pilled walls, and everything else? Earthquakes just neatly filled it all in? That sounds the least probable..
Earthquakes are just one theory and it's no longer widely accepted. Also, the site is no where near being "gigantic." The main structures are centralized in a relatively small area.
Excellent video!
It seems like a hunting lodge. Animal bones, the walls covered with depictions of beasts, and beer. A bunch of dudes built this to get away from the women and children.
Great video. Manty thanks.
Not surprised it's such a hard thing to figure out. I'm on Urban Dictionary almost daily trying to figure out what the people 20 years younger are talking about.
I believe that those intricately carved stones came first.
People who did this disappeared and later it was inhabited by a race much primitive race who crudely
arranged the stones arounf these carvings
Similar to Machu Picchu where you can clearly see the early stonework on walls which is out of this world and later
a haphazard style of stonework on top.
Both cases there are two different races of people who are many years apart as far as technology to carry out these tasks
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I think this is one of the many origins for Noahs ark. It is a list of the known animals in the general area to chronical them (all male symbolism or not). The facility was buried on purpose as it would not have survived the test of time left as is. The fact that it is pretty much still intake proves that out. The peoples of that time new the earth was endangered from previous meteor Strikes. They were accumulating becoming worse each year reaching a climatic point and then tapering off in the following years. By then utter devastation had occurred. Whenever this is discussed, they make it seem like it was an isolated event in 1 timed year. I think there are more of these types of structures waiting to be found. Regardless of what I think, I do enjoy this subject matter and videos. He does a great job of narrating.
You said they were mobile hunter gatherers but also had an artisan class. Can anyone think of any other hunter gatherers that were able to make stone carvings this good? The Australian aborigines didn’t do anything like this.
its because hunter gatherers, as we have defined them, do not have a class system. They simple migrate, hunt, and gather. This could not be created by hunter gatherers. Something like this could only be created by a people who had ability to produce enough food so that parts of the population could have enough spare time to learn skills. This might not be the advanced civilization that some think it is, but it is definitely not hunter gatherers.
Or did they?
Flash-foward a few million years when future civilizations discover Nickolodeon's Legend of the Hidden Temple. "Ah yes, this film clip here shows a tribal member of what is known as the "Blue Barracudas" being scarified to a Temple Guardian."
As a student of history,,, the Temple Trope is so frustrating… we literally have no clue! They could have been giant orgy buildings. They could have just been a chill spot. ‘It was a temple’ is just a lie that’s easier to say as, ‘we just don’t know, it’s just a building’.
Hey megaprojects can you do a video about the leopard 2 and its variants around the world such as Sweden and Canadian ones
A thousand years to go from round to rectangular structures. Amazing how slow change or progress was then.
it's kind of crazy to think how slowly things changed back then. Look at Ancient Egypt: the culture didnt really change much and stayed much the same for thousands of years, ancient Sumer lasted as more or less a single civilization for nearly 3000 years, and the city of Jericho dates back roughly 12,000 years and is still inhabited today. There are some dwellings in Israel that are over 1500 years old and still have people living inside them today and there are some cave homes that date back over 3000 years.
Simon scoffs at the idea of ancient apocalyptic asteroids yet seeks to profit from GT? Why does he imagine anyone would construct underground cities? He’s got a long way to go to open his mind.
The problem with mainstream archeologists is that they will often attempt force any new discovery into the accepted paradigm. Oftentimes this is similar to pounding square pegs into a round hole.
The OG megaproject
Thanks, much I agree with - much I don't. But, unlike many others, at least you have the courage to say "I don't know".
Now THAT makes sense! They certainly didn't cover up this treasure themselves!! That never made any sense!!
yooo first man cave?
More like a sausage fest.
Sounds like an ancient pub and grill.
So… hunter-gatherers showed up 9600 years ago, the wheel hadn’t been invented yet, and the very first thing they did was build a huge megalithic site, without any practice or build up to the technology… seems plausible!!
Well done
Just like the Egyptian pyramids. The oldest were the best designed then they declined in build and design
Actually, the oldest didn't work (see the Bent Pyramid) and it was a process of trial and error to get to the ones that stand today.
Of course, if youre going to throw a big barbie, ur going to brew a lot of beer
Why did you need to add in the "very problematic" when referencing the ancient apocalypse show? Throwing that in there with no elaboration is not really necessary if you're attempting to refute the claims of the show. Just kind of makes it seem like you're piggybacking on the absurd reaction from the academic elite on Twitter that the show is somehow racist, which is ridiculous.
It’s extremely racist and aggressively opposed to science and history. Half-Truth Hancock specifically targets an uneducated and lower income audience who he knows don’t have the resources or abilities to fact check him. He’s a tourist of anthropology and a shyster of archaeology.
@@StoneInMySandal what in your view is racist about that show.
@@oldtownscouts3712 I know, it is about blinding white light from superbolide phenomena. "The Toltecs called their Sky-God, Quetzalcoatl. "The Popol Vuh, the great collection of quiche Myths, presents Gukumatz as one of the four principal Gods who Created the World. Gukumatz means Shining or Brilliant Snake, and hence seems to be the same character as known to the Nahuatls, or Aztecs, as Quetzalcoatl, whose name means the Bright or Shining Snake." Quetzalcoatl was reputed to be a very good vapor spirit, a kind of Coverer. He was the son of Camaxtli, the Shiner of Yesterday, He fought the enemies that had risen against his father, and attacked the Temple of the Cloud-Snakes' Mountain. He was tall, of white complexion. His reign was the Golden Age of the Toltecs. He was pursued by enemies and obliged to Fly. One of these was a near kinsman, a splendid youth, named Tezcatlipoca, The Smoking Mirror. This kinsman was his bitter enemy. Quetzalcoatl was pressed from land to land. By some accounts he disappeared in a boat on the Sea ; by others he perished on the snow-covered peak of Orizaba (the Olympian Cloud-Mountain of the Aztecs), mounting to Heaven on the smoke of the funeral pile. When he vanished the Sun withdrew his Shining. In the museum down at Mexico an image of Quetzalcoatl is on exhibition which is girt about with Snakes of very savage mien. Their peculiarity is that they are both Bird and Reptile, a kind of Feathered Flying Serpent, indicating Rapid Flight. This idea of Rapid Flight is frequently associated with the White One."
Agreed. Enough so that I am unfollowing & I’m tired of being talked down to by this guy.
@@oldtownscouts3712Graham Hancock engages with a lot of conspiracy theories promulgated by n*zis. The myth of a super race of hyper intelligent people colonizing the world and bringing their knowledge to the natives is inherently racist because it refuses to entertain the idea that many cultures worldwide were able to come up with the idea of agriculture and pyramids, without the help of Atlanteans. A college degree is not required to debunk most of Hancock’s hypotheses
Excellent.
Just a point but a roof doesn't stop observation of the sky. in fact, pretty much all observatories have one.
And all the information about what not to screw 🤷🏼♂️👽 especially the scorpion
I’m still leaning towards Hancock on this one, good video though
I would agree. It's not the speed in which you speak but the content of the words you utter. Hancock speaks at half the speed that Simon does but conveys twice the information.
@@computingananswer766 Yeah but Simon's information is based on fact unlike Graham Hancock's fantasies.
@@nobbynoris Yeah it's pretty easy to share large amounts of information in very little time when it's all pulled straight out of your ass. It's pretty telling that he only started calling some of his books "fantasy" because nobody thought his supposed "non fiction" was close enough to reality to even qualify as theories and were outright fiction. Some of his claims are downright laughable like claiming that because the Piri Reis map (a map discovered in the 1920s but claimed to be over 500 years old) didnt explicitly show ice on Antarctica that that's proof the continent was ice free until recently but completely ignores all the research that proves the continent has been frozen for millions of years.
Absolutely!
@@nobbynoris care to fill us in?
I agree with your expressions and the assumptions by which that Graham is not quite accurate in all things, but some of his contentions are worth consideration as opposed to supreme whining by Academia in the extreme. This in and of itself give one pause...or Me Thinks they Doth Protest to Much. And a Civilized counter argument with why there is legitimate reasons for disproving his hypothesis. The one aspect I accept, or some aspects I accept, are that their is no way in hell the blocks and obelisks were carved with such exactitude as to exceed present day 5 Axis Machining done on a Granite Vase at a Meteorology Lab with Copper Saws, Copper Chisels, and round less harder than Granite Balls... that is just preposterous present day Engineers with Advanced Degrees clearly state as such. As even I, a layman of sorts, didn't need a rocket scientist to realize the Egyptologist is out of his mind. And that it is more than marginally possible the Comet strike sites found under the Greenland. Iceland, and sea floor... have been dated at or near the end of the Younger Dryus Ice Age, Though I understand core drilling of crater walls is in the works and this will nail down their exact date of arrival. As we, those of us, with more than a fleeting interest should know and realize the sciences are not static, but ever evolving and like Mother Nature and many things in life...Subject to Change Without Notice. As one might turn a shovel of dirt, or lift a rock, or disturb some ground and find something new that alters previous assumptions and beliefs. I mean look at all the recent updates on mans arrival in the Americas being older than Clovis Man... where the assumption was none would be found older...and were. We only have to look at the Bog Burials in Florida which go back much further, if I remember correctly , than 10K years. The youngest of the bodies is 8K years old. And amazingly have intact brain matter. Or the facts like discoveries in the last 30 years Tsunami's could be higher than 100 feet, See: Lituya Bay... or the recent calculation the Tsunami from the Chicxulub comet strike was 2.5 MILES High.
I'm not sure here, but I think the scorpion being part meaning the constellation is disproven solely on the basis of stellar parallax. Cause most don't know, but due to the fact that the entire solar system is orbiting the black hole in the center of the milky may. So as the whole system moves, the stars in the sky also move and change. As the 'north' star as we call that one today was not always the same star and has changed over time. The constellations that people from so long ago being more than 12000 years would have seen a completely different from the stars we see today. Most constellations simply would not have even existed back then. Also that would mean that somehow 2 completely different cultures separated by thousands of years both came up with the same scorpion constellation just using different stars. Or somehow the constellation of Scorpio has had the same meaning going back 12000 years. Like yeah but sorry nothing would ever have the same name for so long. Things change, ESPECIALLY languages. Just look at all the Latin words that had a letter or 2 added or swapped around to create a new word. No way someone 12000 years ago, used a completely different set of stars, interpreted it as a scorpion, then carved a scorpion. Named the constellation Scorpio and that name for that constellation was then passed down for literal millions hundreds of thousands of generations up to today. 😅😅😂😂😂😂
i am now calling this period in NYC history the Younger Deadass
What is clear is that this incipient civilization was having a surplus of time and energy so they dedicated it to the construction of this monumental (for the times) architecture and rock art. For that to happen it is very likely rudimentary cultivation and animal domestication was already in their knowledge.
It's possible they could have done this without domestication. The near east actually have quite a few varieties of wild grains which is why so many crops all arose in the Fertile Crescent and some hunter gathers can have pretty dense populations. Where I live on the Puget Sound most of the local tribes were sedentary but never did agriculture since there were so many wild edible plants and such abundant seafood that they were able to support populations that rivaled those of much more advanced farming communities. If I remember right they had population densities that could be as high as 10x that of most hunter gatherers which puts them on par with neolithic and copper age farmers, something like 20+ people per square mile which is more than Canada, Russia, or Mongolia have today.
Graham Hancock and Randall carlson!
The best!
I heard one sarcastic comments on how archeologist derive their conclusions... If the future dig up the remains of disney world... They might think humans at this time might have worshipped an antrophomorphic mouse...
maybe the grain grew there wildly? The complex could then have been built to process the wild grains, hence all the grinding stones. We had to have gotten the idea to plant things from somewhere in nature and a naturally growing field starting to dry out and die would convince humans to try to save something they rely heavily on, or face mass starvation. They may have even found a more fertile ground in Mesopotamia where the crops they tended for millennia would grow firmly again?
Or all those grinding bowls were left there by people who visited the site thousands of years after it was actually built and they have absolutely nothing to do with why or who built it
They have now found a possible village site not far from this site
Ancient stone monuments and Beer my type of people.
They need to dig more to see what else is under the dirt
It's realsimple what all the carvings of the animals mean in Gobekli Tepe. It is an honor and a tribute to Noah, and him saving so many of the world's species, including mankind. It would have been Noah's offspring that built Gobekli Tepe. Who are the same people as both the "Hunter Gatherers" and those who started farming and building the first temples and cities. After the great flood, the earth was too wet to farm. So to survive people had to turn to "Hunting and Gathering" to survive. Many years later once the earth dries, then the same people began farming and building temples, cities, and megalithic structures. All knowledge passed down from Noah. Who built one helluva a boat by the way.
Turkey has halted the project for tourism and they’ve destroyed the cite
So who here has watched the Netflix series on an ancient civilization?
Simon list to Dan Carlin one of his podcast is hardcore history please love you!
I know that's probably just me, but I think they met there to make out. Given all the "pillars" and you know what.
I can't be the only one though!
What were the logistics of the site for food and water that would sustain a population, and did a higher groundwater table during the period provide water; if eventually there was no water would that have been the reason for its abandonment?
Ah, Gobekli tepe, that can only mean one thing:
Bring in the conspiracy theorists!
More of this - less aliens
Only 5% of Göbekli Tepe has been excavated, so 95% is unknown and unfortunately this excavation is taking too long, the international community should unite and dig here because this is human history.