I’m not that in to F1. But I get the distinct impression that the FIA is basically just designing the cars now. And designing them to all be basically the same.
I would love a Formula Ultimate, an event held every 4 years, where different teams from the different Formula's can design their ultimate car and race them.
You have to think about safety. The X2010 is a perfect example of what would happen if you took away all regulations. It's certainly cool, but you would die if you drove it more than a couple corners. Not even the best driver in the world could survive that car
@@darkokovac993 Each tire currently has 3 people working on it: one to handle the pneumatic tool to loose/tighten the wheel in place, one to take the used tire out and one to put the new tire on. So, 12 mechanics just to change tires. With 8 wheels to change, that number will double. Imagine 24 dudes taking basically the same space that currently 12 dudes share. That would be fun. What could possibly go wrong?
it´s funny cuz it´s f-ing true.. due to this, i dont like Ferrari as a brand, at all. and Schumacher has a little bit of responsibility to it also. i actually would not buy a Ferrari...
This is why I never got into F1. You want to pretend you're pioneering the future of vehicle technology but you're not letting people actually innovate and improve their designs. Same reason I don't like formula E. They say they're at the forefront of electric motor and battery design but then place massive restrictions on power usage, output voltage, aerodynamics, power recycling, and max speed. That's not pioneering electric motorsport. That's just making F1 cars use electric motors.
FIA: F1 is all about constant technical innovations! Also FIA: ok here’s your LEGO style instruction book to build your car and if you change anything then you shall be crucified and sent to the deepest pits of the underworld.
Even do your Comment is funny, F1 Grid is so close like never before. Yesterday the whole Grid was in 2sec (beside Williams). In the 90s the whole Grid was in 7-8sec.
@@kallo182 with way more cars on the grid : back in the days , even people who had no knowledge at all about F1 racing , joined the competition. Today , firstly they make sure to be competitive, then they join . Honda made the terrible mistake to join F1 with a massively underpowered engine : took them 4 seasons and I don't know how may hundreds of millions of dollars to be competitive again.
It would sound brilliant and the FIA might be happy with the hybrid eco-ness, but it might be too heavy and compromise lap times. But it would help the sport because a lot of people have stopped watching f1 due to the synthetic drone of the current v6s.
thats what ive always think, they shouldve tried v12 hybrid or v8 hybrid rather than going to silent v6 engines. bigger engine also means bigger power. in this case , if there is a battle between a v12/v8 hybrid vs v6 hybrid, ill give my money all day to v12/v8 hybrid!
The four wheels in front and back would add more weight then the gain the system would provide. And the reason Tyrell had 2 wheels in the front was so they had smaller wheels blocking airflow with about the same amount of grip. Eight wheels would also greatly increase the time in the pit and requiring more men in the crew. Covering the wheels would effectively make the more front wheels useless as the more wheels wasn't what increased handling, it was the downforce provided by air more easily going over the wheels. Adding a fan to increase downforce would also add more weight. The current aero equipment is already incredibly efficient to the point that most of this would slow the car down. Anyway thanks for reading this far but but things can be incredibly helpful on their own or in concept but counteract themselves in unison
This is so true mate. I have been trying to make a good f1 car for so long and always ended up with a somewhat current car but with windshield, covered wheels (maybe), a better ground effect and a pilot trained as a fighter pilot and with a g suit
One other small addition: Getting rid of the "pump gas" rule. Back in the '50s, Mercedes came up with a "witches brew" fuel, of 45% benzol, 25% methyl alcohol, 25% high octane petrol, 3% acetone and 2% nitro-benzine. This stuff would suppress pre-ignition and raise the octane to around 200. Another would be discarding fuel consumption rules, that limit total fuel consumed during the race. Use that with a turbo-supercharged V-12, call it 2500 HP. The G forces would kill the driver, but, hey...
Paul Slash The pump gas rule going against fuels like that was entirely reasonable. Benzene was extremely toxic and compared to mundane alcohol fuels like methanol, ethanol, and butanol, was extremely volatile.
Don’t forget to include a second brake pedal for the rear brakes like on the 1998 McLaren. These the cars use brake by wire with a front brake bias instead, but having a second braking pedal to keep the car planted in braking on the rear end would be massively helpful. Also, use a double chassis to utilise ground effect further.
5.56 nato on hk416 or an m4a1:25 to 75 damage(depends on the gun lol) Same thing on a mini minigun that fires 3000 rpm:15 to 25 damage This is one an mobile game...the game is still good tho
You'd probably get drivers complaining about the disconnect between revs and speed in a regular cvt though. I'm curious to know if they could eliminate that downside with clever engineering using an ecvt or if that's just an inherit downside of a cvt.
Missed one huge part: Active aerodynamics. The rules say you're not allowed to have any moving parts that change your aerodynamics as you drive, with the exception of DRS. With active aerodynamics, you could use the air to turn the car in the corners, and you could constatly adjust downforce vs drag.
It is, you fuckin ignoramus. What you can't comprehend is the sport is about proven tech data. Without it, you're left with computer rendered sims that may or may not work on your hooptie on a six lane highway. Why the fuck do you think they male the rules? To piss you off? Holy fuck!
@@CMCSS-to3to fair enough. i would only add the fair play of at least testing a system or integration of them in a closer to daily setup is far better than building a passenger vehicle straight from a sim-built model. otherwise i concede. fwiw, it is mostly just irritating to see people complain about rule-breakers getting punished. i wish they'd either say something useful or stfu.
The mass dampener might help, but active suspension would do more to stabilize the car. The diffuser as a whole has been replaced by a suction fan and ground-hugging skirts, and compared to the downforce from that, the wings would likely be more of an impediment thanks to the added drag.
Don't fucking talk about the x wings. Horrendous and absolutely fugly. That thing was the midclorians of F1, we would like to pretend it never existed.
The turbo engines from the mid-80s were theoretically capable of 1500bhp, so I'm sure that modern engine manufacturers, without any regulations and with the benefit of the hybrid motors, would be able to hit 2000bhp at least
Of course it would be Maldonado he's so good he even won driving a Williams, even Lewis Hamilton has never won driving a Williams I know Lewis has never driven for Williams (it's a joke)
Hamilton wins for Williams - 0 Schumacher wins for Williams - 0 Vettel wins for Williams - 0 Maldonado wins for Williams - 1 MAL > HAM, MSC, VET confirmed
Jokes aside, I am sure that the FIA restrictions have actually brought about many many technological masterpieces (from those trying to work around restrictions)
@@rafaelmoutinho3366 well actually v6 itself produce around 840hp (because ers is 160hp) so it's more powerful than v8 they used in 2013 and more powerful than first v10 in f1
What about moveable aerodynamics? Things like a front and rear wing that can be put completely horizontal to increase top speed (sort of extreme DRS) or put at a slight angle to the car to increase grip in that way the corner is turning, like the Zenvo TSR-S
@@patrolmostwanted First year they probably would be more heavier than today's cars but over time the team's will figure out how lose weight, it's like when KERS was first introduced it was inefficient, heavy and had little usage like only able use it only for 6 secs a lap but now it's ERS and its more efficient, lighter and more useage
Finding the Perfect Driver Sebastian Vettel? *No* Aryton Senna? *No* Michael Schumacher? *No* Jenson Button? *No* Lewis Hamilton? *No* Pastor Maldonado *So much yes*
It is 2030 The 1998 Ford Focus is back and winning races left and right by drivers Michael Waltrip and Fernando Alonso. What In Carnation enters a planet with alien life far past the observable universe. Bob Ross is back from the dead.
@@Zero.X You'd probably just end up with that derestricted LMP1 Porsche 919 evo 'tribute' but tuned for a 2 hour race rather than 24 hours. With some F1 engine design concepts, you'd probably get some more acceleration out of the engine. Utterly mental machine.
An 8 wheels Formula cars was already designed 45 years ago in a Japanese Animation - Arrow Emblem : Hawk of the Grand Prix (Super Grand Prix in US). The cars were racing under Formula Zero series.
What? I don't want to belittle your skills but you can't agree with this video if you actually are designing formula student cars. Especially as an engineering student, you should know that every option mentioned in this video is obsolete today (aside from active suspension and ground effect). Hell, even the V6 hybrid thing is bullshit, what you would want is an electric motor, probably a synchronus motor, as it is very efficient (up to 95%) and basically gives you a better torque band than a CVT coupled to an ICE (and this comes from a huge fan of the 80s turbo era). The video sounds like it was made for 12 year olds, not for serious fans or people that actually know something about the technology behind F1 cars.
He did, but this one isnt "Design the fastest track car" its "Design the ultimate F1 car using innovations and technology used throughout the sport" Sure, the X2010 is more powerful, but effeciency and reliability is untested in that
@@JustusKuroVT The Red bull car IS an amalgamation of F1 innovations. In fact the car they made in the video is literally just the red bull car with 8 wheels: ground FX, fan, enclosed wheels, cockpit, V6 Twin turbo..... are all features of the X2010. The only thing the X2010 didn't have that this one does is 8 wheels.
If we're gonna go with crazy engines, just get an opposing-cylinder engine. Instantly recuperate a crapton of thermal efficiency right there (no explosive force is wasted on the top of the cylinder, almost all goes into both pistons)
this car would actually shoot itself in the foot with the extra wheels as it adds a lot of weight not to mention that the tyrell was actually not that competitive and the fact that the weight of all the metal and computing systems would also weigh the car down
@@guigui70051 a fan version exists in the world of gran turismo. There were 3 different x2010's : the junior, the regular one and then one with a fan. Edit : it's the x2014 that has the fan, the others are just the junior and the x2010 I believe
@@effisjens1776 there are 3 variants of the fan car and 3 variants of the X2014 X2010 X2011 (usually the fastest) X2014 X2014 standard (without fan) X2014 junior
One thing I'll say about the engines, to have an engine that lasts race after race is not the best engine. Because the perfect engine will give up as you cross the line winning the race, If it doesn't then that engine hasn't been used to its fullest potential during the race and so you are not achieving all you could of.
Exactly.. The video kinda dismisses one of the most important aspects of f1 cars by adding all this "stuff" such as 8 wheels, no open wheels, fan, etc : low weight.
@@nik7bkh965 well im sure the teams would gladly enclose the wheels, not so sure about the extra wheels though, pretty sure it would just be more efficient to add more downforce. The ultimate F1 car would probably have: Enclosed wheels computer controlled aero active suspension a different engine (not necessarily v12, just lifted restrictions on fuel consumption and some more stuff) enclosed cockpit insane ground effect tunnels tuned mass dampers different gear setup (maybe more gears, maybe continuous) bigger brake disks for faster heat dissipation fewer safety features to save weight no added ballast to comply with minimum weight All in all that car would have better traction (both through suspension and tuned mass dampers and downforce), better aero (computer controlled aero surfaces, completely enclosed), more power (no engine rules), better acceleration (better gears, less weight).
I remember a Road & Track issue way back in the Tyrell 6 wheel car era. There was a sketch of how Porsche would build a similar car. The sketch was a car with 4 small front wheels like the Tyrell and 6 rear tires...3 axles, with conventional large rear tires. Only one axle would be driven(the middle axle) with the other two axles/tires there for tire grip only. It was only ever a concept sketch but it was by a Porsche engineer so I assumed it could work, but who knows. The theory was to get as much rubber on the road as possible...with enough horsepower to haul the weight of 6 large rear tires/wheels around I guess it was feasable. It reminded me of a steam locomotive with multiple axles, wild looking car.
depends on so many variables. An electric engine *would* be the better option if you're looking for acceleration and handling, but if you want pure power output for the highest speeds on the straights (which would be a huge advantage with all the downforce they're putting on this car) you definitely want a v10 or 12. Much more maximum horsepower and top end speed so on a track like le mans you'd absolutely prefer a beefy v12 over an electric motor.
@@andrewb378 If you combined the two it would be incredible. You could have a very peaky V12 or V10 and it would be offset by torque from down low. That's before we even talk about the fact that they could turbocharge the V10s or V12's, which would be truly insane. They could have 2000hp+ if they wanted out of those.
I could have told you this back in 2010 when the Red Bull X1 was in Gran Turismo 5. Basically all you've done is recreate that car but added extra tyres & it took you 9 extra years to come up with it.
if there are no restrictions then refueling would be legal and engine restrictions would not be a problem so you might as well use a late 80s f1 engine because they were making between 1100 and 1400 horsepower
So Fia what tech are you going to ban?
Fia: yes
lmaoo lol
FIA been had a stronghold on motorsport after Gr. B rally
Epic!
HAHAHA
F1 crybaby: anything
Me: go figure, another fuckwad that doesn't understand how games work.
Engineers: *breathe*
FIA: NO
FIA: *INSTANT BAN*
FIA: WaIt ThAT's IlLeGaL
I’m not that in to F1.
But I get the distinct impression that the FIA is basically just designing the cars now.
And designing them to all be basically the same.
Engineers: DIE from lack of air
Engineer: we found a legal workaround that gives us an advantage!
FIA: *you woulda thought*
*Traction Control*
FIA: “This is brilliant...”
*Driver spinning off track*
“But I like this.”
My genius is sometimes frightening
I mean, spins aren't that common, but OK, FIA bad, I guess
@@filmandfirearms Laughs in Vettel
@@dnagda11 They aren't that common when you remove modern Seb from the picture. That dude turned into a fucking top in 2019
The reason Senna died was because the FIA removed Traction Control for 1994
I would love a Formula Ultimate, an event held every 4 years, where different teams from the different Formula's can design their ultimate car and race them.
Except deaths.
Mercedes would dominate it though
I want that so bad
You have to think about safety. The X2010 is a perfect example of what would happen if you took away all regulations. It's certainly cool, but you would die if you drove it more than a couple corners. Not even the best driver in the world could survive that car
what about every year at le mans
Imagine the pitstop for this car
We just need more people in the pit crew.
@@darkokovac993 Each tire currently has 3 people working on it: one to handle the pneumatic tool to loose/tighten the wheel in place, one to take the used tire out and one to put the new tire on. So, 12 mechanics just to change tires. With 8 wheels to change, that number will double. Imagine 24 dudes taking basically the same space that currently 12 dudes share. That would be fun. What could possibly go wrong?
This car dont need pit stop because it has 8 wheel
@@MephLeo Yes
Pitstops would be unnecessary if they just used good tires
Red Bull : *breathes*
FIA : “I see absolutely nothing wro-*Ferrari stares*, i mean no, BAN”
How do I like twice
@@femimark5021 By unliking and liking it again.
it´s funny cuz it´s f-ing true.. due to this, i dont like Ferrari as a brand, at all. and Schumacher has a little bit of responsibility to it also. i actually would not buy a Ferrari...
@@NiclasHorn yeah and you can’t
@@NiclasHorn Who buys a ferrari anyway these days. very mid for exotic cars.
Six wheels
Drivers: yayayayay!
Pit Crew: NOOOOOO
FIA: we feel your pain Pit crew... BANNED
Yukon 😂😂
*laughs in formula e pit crew*
cost
@@x-90 😂😂😂
Screams in Tyrrell
What would the ultimate F1 car look like?
A blur.
sir.
Australian internet
Apparently the modern F1 fan doesn't care what it looks like... so long as it _sounds_ right!
A ROCKET
@@michaelbillingham5580 not always lol
0:09
WTF1: “Formula one is about building the quickest car possible”
Also WTF1: shows Haas
haas power source is ferrari soooo... i think we can get a conclusion of how fast haas is...
HAAS IS EQUAL TO FERRARI. IT'S HORRIBLE
I mean...that is still one of the quickest cars in the world, it's an F1 car after all
*Engineers come up with something that can revolutionize the sport*
FIA: No
Lol
This is why I never got into F1. You want to pretend you're pioneering the future of vehicle technology but you're not letting people actually innovate and improve their designs. Same reason I don't like formula E. They say they're at the forefront of electric motor and battery design but then place massive restrictions on power usage, output voltage, aerodynamics, power recycling, and max speed. That's not pioneering electric motorsport. That's just making F1 cars use electric motors.
25 years into the future:
Engineers: *Hydrogen powred combustion engines sounds great! And they dont have any emmisions!*
FIA: No.
FIA : we dont do that here
@@andrewb378 Start watching F1 Pre 95
It has got to have a Marlboro logo on the wing!!
That would immediately ad another 100 hp!!
It would produce a lot of smoke and make everyone around it want to beat it until it doesn't anymore.
@@MrSaemichlaus cancerous hate!
@@MrSaemichlaus r/wooosh
cute duck this ain't even...
It would, however, cause the team to have the worst strategy on the grid and pirouette arbitrarily.
FIA: F1 is all about constant technical innovations!
Also FIA: ok here’s your LEGO style instruction book to build your car and if you change anything then you shall be crucified and sent to the deepest pits of the underworld.
100th like
200th like
475th like.
@PengiBuilds I do
Cruicifying is christian and underworld is greek. HELP I'm confused.
"Making sure racing is close"
Meanwhile Mercedes is lapping the top 10 in under 30 laps
I got a good laugh from that line.
It was not complete : *"Make sure racing is close between everybody except mErCeDeS"*
Haha yeah 😂
Even do your Comment is funny, F1 Grid is so close like never before.
Yesterday the whole Grid was in 2sec (beside Williams).
In the 90s the whole Grid was in 7-8sec.
@@kallo182 with way more cars on the grid : back in the days , even people who had no knowledge at all about F1 racing , joined the competition. Today , firstly they make sure to be competitive, then they join . Honda made the terrible mistake to join F1 with a massively underpowered engine : took them 4 seasons and I don't know how may hundreds of millions of dollars to be competitive again.
Didn’t expect Jess to be talking about the topic in this video
It would normally be Matt all the time
He is crying cause Ferrari is still behind Mercedes. Poor charles😂
I think Matt's on holiday
what do you mean? this is obviously matt undergoing late puberty
I swear jess and Matt are boyfriend and girlfriend?
@@johnevans1624 that is incorrect
Engine: V12 quad-turbo hybrid
It would sound brilliant and the FIA might be happy with the hybrid eco-ness, but it might be too heavy and compromise lap times. But it would help the sport because a lot of people have stopped watching f1 due to the synthetic drone of the current v6s.
thats what ive always think, they shouldve tried v12 hybrid or v8 hybrid rather than going to silent v6 engines. bigger engine also means bigger power. in this case , if there is a battle between a v12/v8 hybrid vs v6 hybrid, ill give my money all day to v12/v8 hybrid!
Awesome
BANNED
Turbine!
So what would name the ultimate F1 car?
WTF1: Raidillon actually
🤔☝️😯😮😀😆😂🤣
LOL
WTF21
This needs to come back LOL
Brilliant!!!!
Matts voice sounds wierd
Jonathan Jansen someone’s gonna say that the person that’s speaking is a woman, and that’s me. woooosh me all you want.
He is currently undergoing puberty
Jonathan Jansen I was just about to write that word for word
That's Jess. Now don't r/woosh me I already am off to r/woosh
Shahmir Khan oh, thanks for telling me.
The four wheels in front and back would add more weight then the gain the system would provide. And the reason Tyrell had 2 wheels in the front was so they had smaller wheels blocking airflow with about the same amount of grip. Eight wheels would also greatly increase the time in the pit and requiring more men in the crew. Covering the wheels would effectively make the more front wheels useless as the more wheels wasn't what increased handling, it was the downforce provided by air more easily going over the wheels. Adding a fan to increase downforce would also add more weight. The current aero equipment is already incredibly efficient to the point that most of this would slow the car down.
Anyway thanks for reading this far but but things can be incredibly helpful on their own or in concept but counteract themselves in unison
This is so true mate. I have been trying to make a good f1 car for so long and always ended up with a somewhat current car but with windshield, covered wheels (maybe), a better ground effect and a pilot trained as a fighter pilot and with a g suit
One other small addition: Getting rid of the "pump gas" rule. Back in the '50s, Mercedes came up with a "witches brew" fuel, of 45% benzol, 25% methyl alcohol, 25% high octane petrol, 3% acetone and 2% nitro-benzine. This stuff would suppress pre-ignition and raise the octane to around 200. Another would be discarding fuel consumption rules, that limit total fuel consumed during the race. Use that with a turbo-supercharged V-12, call it 2500 HP.
The G forces would kill the driver, but, hey...
😂😂😂😂😂
Paul Slash
The pump gas rule going against fuels like that was entirely reasonable. Benzene was extremely toxic and compared to mundane alcohol fuels like methanol, ethanol, and butanol, was extremely volatile.
R/C
you can always use a keyboard to drive the car.
@@sparkshot289 Mouse and keyboard F1 teams would complain saying that the 🎮 controller teams have aim assist...
Adrian Newey once designed the ultimate racing car without restrictions, It's called the RedBull x2010
Hell f#cking yess!!!!!!
Doesnt have 8 wheels though
@@projectjt3149 🤣
I think that was just a chassis and aero. Did it have a power-train.. 🤔
It's funny how many people hate that car, and all the variants. I personally loved that car!
I sure do love that half of this video is massive popping text.
Needs more wheels and bigger engine and gears
That’s it! A 16-wheeler truck that’s made to be low riding
I drifted imagining the kind of sparks that would come from below that monster.
Steinwinter Supercargo 20.40
Sir, you are clearly not a wanderingbufoon...
that is the truck racing
If you roll over the others first n then nobody can get past you anyway, you win
The opposite of a Williams
the engine is good tho
Except that it has the same engine as a williams lol
@David Price GP2 engine
Williamsn't
But half the ideas of this car were taken from Williams.
“There’s no such thing as too much downforce.”
Until the G’s literally break your spine
Downforce isnt putting pressure on the driver, it put pressure on wheels and suspensions...
@@tf9822 high G force levels come while cornering and braking and downforce increases them
@@obliedMy mistake, I wasn't looking far enough in the thought process hahaha.
only the cars spine does
just have a pc drive the car
so basically your ultimate f1 car is essentially an LMP car
Pretty much that's what I said
Just like the 2010 Red Bull "prototype". Just with extra 4 wheels.
Nah, doubt it would have the capability for WEC racing.
@@molnarandras5512 Actually exactly that and I even doubt the 4 wheels have such a huge impact with modern tires and aerodynamics
Porsche 919 evo is like that just with less wheels
Picture a Reliant Robin...
That's it. It's perfect.
no peel p50
@@Bullshit_Media why not put the two together? 😂
and Clarkson :'-)
It have a pointy end... It's just perfect
@@Bullshit_Media someday I'll go the the isle of man to see the TT and buy a peel p50
Don’t forget to include a second brake pedal for the rear brakes like on the 1998 McLaren. These the cars use brake by wire with a front brake bias instead, but having a second braking pedal to keep the car planted in braking on the rear end would be massively helpful.
Also, use a double chassis to utilise ground effect further.
I think that is useless with ABS. They did make manual ABS with that trick since it was banned back then.
Engineers: *Exist*
FIA: Banned!
Shut up
@@RetroAdzz who hurt you?
@@shaikolm hipster comments -_-
@@shaikolm his father work for FIA
@@RetroAdzz lmao stfu dumbass
Can you guys stop with the FIA jokes?
FIA: *NO*
xDDDDDDDDD
😂😂
you make my day. XDD
No, you're welcome
i'm the 1000 like ;))
I swear FIA is like any game developer that has to 'balance' everything just so that everyone is equally satisfied.
I mean yeah that is kind of the point haha
5.56 nato on hk416 or an m4a1:25 to 75 damage(depends on the gun lol)
Same thing on a mini minigun that fires 3000 rpm:15 to 25 damage
This is one an mobile game...the game is still good tho
I thought I clicked on the wrong vid for a sec. good job Jess
Juan Pablo Salas thanks 😊
Jess McF1 amazing Jess! Better than Matt
Ever played Gran Turismo?!
Red Bull X2014 and there you have your Ultimate F1 Car...
then comes the SRT Tomahawk
@@kingken130 have you ever heard of the 1968 fiat 500f?
that is the fastest ever!
McLaren X2 from asphalt 8..
x2011 prototype was better
Ever heard of the fiat multipla?
I'm definitely intrigued by that CVT gearbox. People always vomit on it, but I always thought it could be very well suited for maximum attack.
Red Bull X from Gran Turismo series?
It has only 4 wheels😂
@@dermaks_ is that an issue?
@@TomiVuori no
E Que Ó Maninho pit stop?
@@nonameyethangonaminute It is a fan car so it develops more grip without the drawbacks of additional wheels.
“We only need to find the Ultimate F1 Driver” shows up Maldonado... 😂😂😂
I WAS THINKING THE SAME hahahahahahaha
At least he is one Driver, who won actually a Race with a Backmarker.
He is our lord and saviour after all
@@vayha79 well, Hulkenberg is a lot more consistent than Maldonado though
Maldonado is consistent in one thing and that is crashing
CVT gearbox = infinite gears
Drivers: hell yes!
Ohhh that's explains the Fast and furious movies with there ability to down shit one and up shift 25 times in one scene
@@JackTalyorD Nah that's a Hollywood gearbox :D
@@SocialistNitrogen 😋😋😋
You'd probably get drivers complaining about the disconnect between revs and speed in a regular cvt though. I'm curious to know if they could eliminate that downside with clever engineering using an ecvt or if that's just an inherit downside of a cvt.
@@caseymurray7722 There's no way of knowing until it's done.
Missed one huge part: Active aerodynamics. The rules say you're not allowed to have any moving parts that change your aerodynamics as you drive, with the exception of DRS.
With active aerodynamics, you could use the air to turn the car in the corners, and you could constatly adjust downforce vs drag.
Banned, banned, banned, banned and banned.
F1 the pinnacle of innovation in motorsports? Yeah, right.
No wonder people stop watching.
It is, you fuckin ignoramus. What you can't comprehend is the sport is about proven tech data. Without it, you're left with computer rendered sims that may or may not work on your hooptie on a six lane highway. Why the fuck do you think they male the rules? To piss you off? Holy fuck!
@@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489 No really F1 is not what it used to be, neither is NASCAR or Rally
@@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489 innovation or precision. Innovation would catch up to the 8 wheelers, the Sims would adapt.
@DESTROYER67732 no it refines the already existing model, but imagine refining the 8 wheelers. They would be faster
@@CMCSS-to3to fair enough. i would only add the fair play of at least testing a system or integration of them in a closer to daily setup is far better than building a passenger vehicle straight from a sim-built model. otherwise i concede.
fwiw, it is mostly just irritating to see people complain about rule-breakers getting punished. i wish they'd either say something useful or stfu.
You completely missed active aero, which would probably gain the most time as it increases cornering speeds massively and can reduce drag on straights
F.I.A, How many things are you gonna Ban?
F.I.A : *yes*
How about Renault's tuned mass damper, X Wings, and the double diffuser as well?
The mass dampener might help, but active suspension would do more to stabilize the car. The diffuser as a whole has been replaced by a suction fan and ground-hugging skirts, and compared to the downforce from that, the wings would likely be more of an impediment thanks to the added drag.
I'm pretty sure all X-Wings got used by the rebellion during attack on the second death star
Ground effect+ x wings + double diffuser... we're going to have so much downforce that our car is going to fall though the ground
Don't fucking talk about the x wings. Horrendous and absolutely fugly. That thing was the midclorians of F1, we would like to pretend it never existed.
Leo its an idea dumbass, its not like they're actually gonna take it seriously
For that thing you would need 1500hp at least with that downforce and the increased weight! Probably a 3litre V6 turbo would do the job!
The turbo engines from the mid-80s were theoretically capable of 1500bhp, so I'm sure that modern engine manufacturers, without any regulations and with the benefit of the hybrid motors, would be able to hit 2000bhp at least
Nerds
Looolll
Look up the Red Bull X2010, it actually fits the bill of what you’re talking about pretty well
“Adds 2 more wheels to the car”
Pit crew- “Am i a joke to you”
Indycar: "What is this mess you've made over here?"
F1: "Are you talking about yourself? I thought that you were the mess."
Mechanics: *exists*
FIA: wait that's illegal
@chinesebassman exactly... since that's illegal...
Of course it would be Maldonado he's so good he even won driving a Williams, even Lewis Hamilton has never won driving a Williams
I know Lewis has never driven for Williams (it's a joke)
How you dare insult my absolute favorite good energy driver evah?! :P
Hamilton wins for Williams - 0
Schumacher wins for Williams - 0
Vettel wins for Williams - 0
Maldonado wins for Williams - 1
MAL > HAM, MSC, VET confirmed
@@NLNeuro you forgot Fangio wins for Williams, 0 Clark wins for Williams, 0
Michael Schumacher would be the best
@@NLNeuro and unfortunatly, sena died for the Willians
Jokes aside, I am sure that the FIA restrictions have actually brought about many many technological masterpieces (from those trying to work around restrictions)
And there it is! An Extreme Porsche 919 evo
Which was slower than an actual F1 car btw.
@@Varskar it was faster around spa.
@@yaboi-km2qn
You have outdated news, bro.
@@yaboi-km2qn are you living in 2017?
Thats exactly what i was thinking once.
Its an 8wheel Prius on steroids with anorexia.
Perfection ❤️👌
Adrian Newey already showed us with the x2010 and 2014 from Grantrurismo , A fan car with ground effects and current hybrid tech would be unreal fast
ultimate PU might actually be a v4 with an extremely strong hybrid system like porsche used in wec
Yeh, but would it fit? 🤔
nah, the more cylinders it has, the more power it can have so a v6 is the ideal
LOL, if more cylinders = more power, surely 8 is better, or 10, or 12?
@@rafaelmoutinho3366 well actually v6 itself produce around 840hp (because ers is 160hp) so it's more powerful than v8 they used in 2013 and more powerful than first v10 in f1
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks slap a Koenigsegg jesko engine in there and add some electric motors
Done.
You got over 2000hp
So this video really teaches us one thing.
TEAMS: Whats should we do NEXT?
FIA: BANNED!
Imagine how much time and effort engineers put in making those things, then FIA just bans it.
The final result, excepting for the 8 wheels, is so simillar to the redbull x2010 prototype.
What about moveable aerodynamics? Things like a front and rear wing that can be put completely horizontal to increase top speed (sort of extreme DRS) or put at a slight angle to the car to increase grip in that way the corner is turning, like the Zenvo TSR-S
Yeah active aero would be a good idea too, it's already in road cars
Don't all these moving parts and mechanisms add weight though?
@@patrolmostwanted First year they probably would be more heavier than today's cars but over time the team's will figure out how lose weight, it's like when KERS was first introduced it was inefficient, heavy and had little usage like only able use it only for 6 secs a lap but now it's ERS and its more efficient, lighter and more useage
Like video game F-Zero. Turning Vanes
F1 cars are big and heavy enough as it is so what would it matter adding additional parts lol.
Finding the Perfect Driver
Sebastian Vettel? *No*
Aryton Senna? *No*
Michael Schumacher? *No*
Jenson Button? *No*
Lewis Hamilton? *No*
Pastor Maldonado *So much yes*
Only If you could be anymore wrong. Someone better than Senna? Pfft
Pastor Maldonado and Romain Grosjean
Nice I play vehicle sim too
@@efthymis_mc34 lotus 2014, GENIUS
Driver: Mahaveer Ragunathan
F1 Driver: *WINS*
FIA: *HELL NO*
the 1998 ford focus
You really are everywhere, aren’t you?
What In Carnation? oh god please go back to SHITCAR videos
It is 2030
The 1998 Ford Focus is back and winning races left and right by drivers Michael Waltrip and Fernando Alonso. What In Carnation enters a planet with alien life far past the observable universe. Bob Ross is back from the dead.
you have to be shitting me with that Focus bullshit when things such as the Neon exist
No U
Where was your blown diffuser?
the long tail plain the 2017 cars had?
what about vented wheels too?
or double chassis, like the Lotus 88
With the GROUND EFFECT your whole car is a diffuser. AND with a fan in the back.
Engineers: Literally do anything
FIA: **Stardust Crusaders intensifies at the distance*
Ummm redbull X2010 gran turismo..
Give it a v10 with massive turbos and an LMP 1 style Hybrid.
The weight gain and increased wear and tear from the V10 probably more than offsets any power advantage it has over a hybrid turbo V6
Koenigsegg jesko engine at the back and Tesla roadster motor at the front
A V10 would be too heavy!
The only options are a engine smaller than 2.0L and maximal 8 cylinder. Lool at the Gran Turismo RB X1
@@Zero.X You'd probably just end up with that derestricted LMP1 Porsche 919 evo 'tribute' but tuned for a 2 hour race rather than 24 hours. With some F1 engine design concepts, you'd probably get some more acceleration out of the engine. Utterly mental machine.
@@Hanniballz313 not really. Thanks to konegseg they would be pretty light. No cams valves etc.
An 8 wheels Formula cars was already designed 45 years ago in a Japanese Animation - Arrow Emblem : Hawk of the Grand Prix (Super Grand Prix in US). The cars were racing under Formula Zero series.
the Current Mercedes car in Red?
Matte Red with Racing stripes, because racing stripes make everything faster
same silver but black accents instead of that cyan-ish
@@jackbarnes48 flame decal too
@@ScottCyclops Dont forget the stickers. Strickers give more horsepower ofcourse
0:15
CAR THROTTLE?!
Nani?!?!
lol... this remember me , homer simpson when build his car
You could also just refer to the Red Bull X2010 concept
Don't forget to paint it with a tobacco sponsored (Free choice) livery for the ultimate F1 looks.
Marlboro cuz they won lots of championship with both McLaren and Ferrari.
Crashinaldo in that beast would be the ultimate F1 viewing experience!! Make it happen
As a engineering student designing student formula cars this is pretty accurate
So Newey was wrong.. 😏🤣
not at all
But you can't even write a correct sentence? Lol
What? I don't want to belittle your skills but you can't agree with this video if you actually are designing formula student cars. Especially as an engineering student, you should know that every option mentioned in this video is obsolete today (aside from active suspension and ground effect). Hell, even the V6 hybrid thing is bullshit, what you would want is an electric motor, probably a synchronus motor, as it is very efficient (up to 95%) and basically gives you a better torque band than a CVT coupled to an ICE (and this comes from a huge fan of the 80s turbo era). The video sounds like it was made for 12 year olds, not for serious fans or people that actually know something about the technology behind F1 cars.
@@Maskinmester-DK Engineering student, enough said.
Red Bull X 2014 Fan Car. I rest my case.
Aston Martin Valkyrie?
McLaren X2.
Pathetic
Blue falcon is the best f1 and cant be competed with....
Oh wait...
That’s be awesome to have the car actually built and see what lap times it turns
Probably + 0.06 sec because u ad more track resistance and more weight to the car.
Adrian newey already did it better than you #x2010
He did, but this one isnt "Design the fastest track car" its "Design the ultimate F1 car using innovations and technology used throughout the sport" Sure, the X2010 is more powerful, but effeciency and reliability is untested in that
Jan Nowak Well maybe the X2014 is more for you?
@@patrickbouthoorn It is for me, that thing is sweet.
@@JustusKuroVT The Red bull car IS an amalgamation of F1 innovations. In fact the car they made in the video is literally just the red bull car with 8 wheels: ground FX, fan, enclosed wheels, cockpit, V6 Twin turbo..... are all features of the X2010.
The only thing the X2010 didn't have that this one does is 8 wheels.
@Jan Nowak so you saying that a car that does suzuka in like 20 seconds is a old mans wet fantasy? well bitch please just stfu
Apart from the engine this would be awesome! maybe 2 v6T's strapped together? since we're going with the whole 'ultimate' thing
Nope:/
Get a Koenigsegg jesko engine and some motors from the regera and you easily have over 2000 horsepower
@@HMSNeptun yeah and they are a lot heavier and bigger. the merc 1.6 is extremely small and light for an engine producing 1000+hp
If we're gonna go with crazy engines, just get an opposing-cylinder engine. Instantly recuperate a crapton of thermal efficiency right there (no explosive force is wasted on the top of the cylinder, almost all goes into both pistons)
this car would actually shoot itself in the foot with the extra wheels as it adds a lot of weight not to mention that the tyrell was actually not that competitive and the fact that the weight of all the metal and computing systems would also weigh the car down
*just need gulf livery and some weird stickers from a chinese shop and you have a track weapon*
can't forget the need for speed sticker. that adds +100 bHP
Simple answer : redbull x2010 fan car
It doesn't has 8 wheels, active suspensions and a downforce fan. Plus it's not a fan car, it's an actual Red Bull design
@@guigui70051 a fan version exists in the world of gran turismo. There were 3 different x2010's : the junior, the regular one and then one with a fan.
Edit : it's the x2014 that has the fan, the others are just the junior and the x2010 I believe
Not A F1
X2011 is faster
@@effisjens1776
there are 3 variants of the fan car and 3 variants of the X2014
X2010
X2011 (usually the fastest)
X2014
X2014 standard (without fan)
X2014 junior
One thing I'll say about the engines, to have an engine that lasts race after race is not the best engine. Because the perfect engine will give up as you cross the line winning the race, If it doesn't then that engine hasn't been used to its fullest potential during the race and so you are not achieving all you could of.
You forgot to add oil slick sprayers, smoke screen and maybe some rear grenade launchers.
The most powerful F1 motor was in the Lotus 98T and produce 1200Bhp
A V6 1.5L Turbo
Motor made by Renault
The Renault EF-Type engine
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if that's an older formula car, I think it would be less efficient with that horsepower, even with an ECU?
@@astra00700 the motor was use from 1977 to 1986, and used Electronics Fuel Injections so i think it's used a ECU
No the brabham bt52
1.5 Liter inline 4 by BMW
Up to 1600 hp
Colin Chapman:**Breathes...**
FIA: *NO!*
Everyone: why Wiliiams going downhill from a advanced f1 car to a snail
FIA: Me
This is more likely a colelction of curiosities in F1 history rather than an ultimate F1 car
Exactly.. The video kinda dismisses one of the most important aspects of f1 cars by adding all this "stuff" such as 8 wheels, no open wheels, fan, etc : low weight.
@@nik7bkh965 well im sure the teams would gladly enclose the wheels, not so sure about the extra wheels though, pretty sure it would just be more efficient to add more downforce.
The ultimate F1 car would probably have:
Enclosed wheels
computer controlled aero
active suspension
a different engine (not necessarily v12, just lifted restrictions on fuel consumption and some more stuff)
enclosed cockpit
insane ground effect tunnels
tuned mass dampers
different gear setup (maybe more gears, maybe continuous)
bigger brake disks for faster heat dissipation
fewer safety features to save weight
no added ballast to comply with minimum weight
All in all that car would have better traction (both through suspension and tuned mass dampers and downforce), better aero (computer controlled aero surfaces, completely enclosed), more power (no engine rules), better acceleration (better gears, less weight).
remember that redbull formula x car or whatever it was from gran turismo 5?
thats about the closest thing i've seen to the perfect formula car
Red Bull X1 1500hp fan car. 545kg.
Adrian Newey has left the chat
All I want are the 2004 looks...
Ohhh yes, or 2006...
Melaskan or 2008
@@switzf1826 or 2010
My personal fav is the McLaren MP4-20 from 2005 but yeah, those mid 2000's F1 cars... clean and pure beauty.
Williams FW26 was a beauty imo
except for the fact of the 8 wheels you literally just made the x2011 prototype of gran turismo 5, so yeah this car is perfect
I think the ultimate F1 car would be a tank, with like, a thousand turbos on it.
I want tank racing. Make it happen, FIA.
*Russian pre-ww2 BT tanks* happy noises
I never thought I'd say this, but now I really want to see tank racing.
@@Greendyes_E BT SPEEDY TANK
Rocket Ship. Wait....
You'll still be 11th.
GP2 engine...GP2 ENGINE
I remember a Road & Track issue way back in the Tyrell 6 wheel car era. There was a sketch of how Porsche would build a similar car. The sketch was a car with 4 small front wheels like the Tyrell and 6 rear tires...3 axles, with conventional large rear tires. Only one axle would be driven(the middle axle) with the other two axles/tires there for tire grip only.
It was only ever a concept sketch but it was by a Porsche engineer so I assumed it could work, but who knows. The theory was to get as much rubber on the road as possible...with enough horsepower to haul the weight of 6 large rear tires/wheels around I guess it was feasable.
It reminded me of a steam locomotive with multiple axles, wild looking car.
Engineers: *alright we need whee-*
FIA: *NO*
Engineers: we mean weed
FIA: oh that’s sth we should definitely have
Just watch Cyber Formula and you wont have to imagine.
SuperMechguy uhhh i like that
Their design is even similar to the Al-zard from the anime
That's exactly what I thought when the closed cockpit and covered wheels showed up in this video.
Damn that's spot on.
Vtec
racing stripes (adds 100hp per stripe)
Eurobeat (drift through corners faster than if you were to go round them normally)
McLaren MP4-X ?
And BTW, wouldn't current F1 engine be inefficient for 2 additional axles ?
depends on so many variables. An electric engine *would* be the better option if you're looking for acceleration and handling, but if you want pure power output for the highest speeds on the straights (which would be a huge advantage with all the downforce they're putting on this car) you definitely want a v10 or 12. Much more maximum horsepower and top end speed so on a track like le mans you'd absolutely prefer a beefy v12 over an electric motor.
1 engine per axle >:3
@@andrewb378 If you combined the two it would be incredible. You could have a very peaky V12 or V10 and it would be offset by torque from down low. That's before we even talk about the fact that they could turbocharge the V10s or V12's, which would be truly insane. They could have 2000hp+ if they wanted out of those.
Teacher: "There is no way a monstrosity can be beautiful
Me an intellectual:
Imagine how heavy this car would be tho
Great for ramming
“You Can never have enough downforce, right?”
Topspeed: 😔
1800 bhp disagrees
Tires as well
Jess with the voice over👌🏼👌🏼
I could have told you this back in 2010 when the Red Bull X1 was in Gran Turismo 5.
Basically all you've done is recreate that car but added extra tyres & it took you 9 extra years to come up with it.
this type of car is amazing
if there are no restrictions then refueling would be legal and engine restrictions would not be a problem so you might as well use a late 80s f1 engine because they were making between 1100 and 1400 horsepower