Why Don't F1 Cars Have Closed Cockpits?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.พ. 2021
- Formula 1 cars have changed many times over the years... but why has a closed cockpit never been introduced?
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A closed cockpit, a HUD and possibly a missile targeting system for when you're in last place.
or second place on the last lap...
Basket full of banana peels
What's this mario kart? 😂😂
@@BravoTwoDelta Tbh we should have something similar to mario kart its 2021 for gods sake! =D
"HE'S GOT A BLUE SHELL!!!!"
how about 3 turtle shells that rotate around the car, that you can launch at the risk of less protection
You are playing too many mobas
@@Auspexel The original comment was a reference to the Mario Kart Series, not MOBAs.
Love this comment. Ha ha
sAvE ThE tUrTlEs
Well if we are going to introduce this, then at some time in the future no one wants to be in first place anymore ;)
The protective halo just recently saved Hamilton at Monza when he crashed with Verstappen. Verstappens tire would have crushed Hamilton’s helmet had the halo not been there.
It more so would of fucked up Lewis’ neck than anything than actually crush the helmet.
Max wants to crash anything & everything.
@@glenncoetzee5906 no Mercedes wants that
@@startingbark0356 no mclaren wants that
@@rojothabambino9814 no Ferrari wants that
Many (myself included) disliked how they Halo looked, but we all started appreciating and loving it as soon as we saw how many fatal injuries it prevented. There are many pilots today who wouldn't be alive had it not been for the Halo, the most recent of them being Zhou. Look at how the Halo basically prevented his head from taking any serious injury after he flipped. Once he would have scraped his helmet (or even worse, his head) on the asphalt. I'll always support safety measures that keep our beloved pilots alive and well!
I never understood why people where mad about the looks when the safety benefits where so obvious.
@@timojohn9773 realistically speaking, I was both. The first version used to look goofy and I didn't like it, but my brother, who is an engineer, made me understand how important it is, so I got on board with it pretty quickly. I'd rather for formula 1 to look goofy than have to cry for yet another pilot gone. So I absolutely am in support of it!
@@timojohn9773 guess they all just underestimated the risk of crashes where the halo was gonna be needed to prevent death. I sure did.
Maybe F1 having seen no fatal crash since 2014 was just a streak of luck that undoubtedly would have ended in 2018, if the halo hadn't been introduced
@@SPZ909 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_fatalities#:~:text=Jules%20Bianchi%20died%20in%20July,the%201970%20Italian%20Grand%20Prix.
Thank you for this very obvious observation
You didn't mention Vettel reported the aeroscreen made him dizzy because the vibration was distorting his view of the track. I think that is what killed the aeroscreen back in 2015/16
Yea but i think when it works in IndyCar itll Work in f1 as well
Sounds like he needs new engine mounts
@@marc7850 I agree with this statement, however F1 cars are significantly faster than Indy cars. And he mentioned the drivers feeling uncomfortable...
@@rapidshot3033 yep, and F1 Cars go through kerbs which can cause even more vibrations
@@ashantedula5696 or maybe a Formula 1 car is more rigid than an Indycar... and that was on new tires, so you can only imagine a flatspotted tire in that situation. Also it was the first version of the aeroscreen without the central pillar
They don´t want to make the F1 cars into a sauna because they know raikkonen will win
lol best laugh i had this day :D
It is already a sauna in many countries
"Does this go any hotter??"
Iceman
Home advantage every race
The halo is absolutely amazing! Grojean would have gotten his head taken clean off by the barrier if not for it and Lewis in Monza would have been crushed. Saving so many lives, great addition to the cars
F1 isn't open wheeler anymore
@@R9naldo yes it is, the wheels are still exposed
@@tropical7848 if you really want safety why not reduce the speed of the cars, make all circuits flat and with huge run off, eliminate Eau Rouge and implement closed cockpits. Oh but you say that ruins the appeal and F1 is meant to be fast, thrilling, on the edge and risky? Hypocrite
@@R9naldo why go to the hassle to do all of the above you just mentioned when you can just put a bar across the top of the cockpit. You're just sounding problematic
@@tropical7848 You're sounding hypocritical. You say making the sport safer by doing all the things I mentioned is a "hassle", but how is the halo not a hassle? Do you want safety or not?
If Zhou's horrible crash in Silverstone 2022 to go by, Halo saved his life (literally), however we need to keep in mind that extraction should be easy and fast enough. In case of Zhou's accident on lap 1, it took almost 20 minutes to extract Zhou, we were lucky that there was no fire otherwise things could have turned horrible
They just need an ejection system really. Not like one that shoots the seat out, but one that can quickly disengage the halo/windscreen in a flash to allow the driver to extricate themselves or be extricated. Could have a handle inside as well as an exterior rescue handle.
Lol remember when the biggest thing we had to worry about was how a safety device looked on a race car?
@Rugby Crave only took two lives to add another 20 IQs to our collective IQ
no i dont
EJ Jung so you were born in 2020 then
This is absolutetly insane!!! how embarrasing is this, they let an old man who is the devil himself the. deep state it was coup de tat and no one in the US doing anything??? how embarrassing for the US, when this should be a 1st world country now we have fascism and communism in charge and its being accpeted by the people??? hello???
pretty sure that has always been the case, it either took a death or extreme serious event to shut people up
"The fighter jet canopy worked really well."
"Yep."
"Let's do something else than the fighter jet canopy."
"Oh... Ok."
MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY
Maybe it's because of the price, I don't know.
Else then? 🤔
From another comment: _"Vettel reported the aeroscreen made him dizzy because the vibration was distorting his view of the track."_
jets don’t fly on the ground 😐
For cooling, little holes arranged on the sides of the cockpits along with a mesh screen to protect from any debris would, in my opinion, seem like a viable option.
A mesh and little holes at those speeds on the sides ... pressure differences and insane sounds, including high vibrations of both air and material would just be some of the side effects.
It would probably be an absolutely awful option.
They just want all the F1 racers to look like gods, a god has a halo on his head. 🤣
@@JohnKickboxingOr it’s to, you know, protect them?
i think its great to see the halo and closed cockpit design being evolved side by side and sharing findings
I think it's awesome that the FIA and IndyCar share their data with each other. It's good for motor racing, it's good for the drivers, it's good for the teams.
I found it cool, imagine the FIA and NASCAR sharing data together XDD
@@Who-nu4ci Try to plug those numbers in together and the computer just explodes.
for a fee..
Makes sense, as it reduces R&D fees on both sides!
It's good for everybody else too. Stuff like this is why passenger vehicles are so safe compared to older versions. Motor sports is probably the biggest contributor to safety next to maybe material science.
To be honest, I started to follow F1 in 2019 so I never saw Cars without the Halo. And to be honest I think it looks kinda cool.
The cars looked way different from 2017-21 when they didn't have halo
Same the halos look cool to me , plus they save lives , what’s not to like
I watch F1 since 2006, and the halo only affect the design, absolutely not the show or the pilot vision. I also like the halo design, nicely integrated.
No
@@domdom545 i’m from Italy and watched f1 every weekend in the era of Senna and then Schumy. I never heard anyone say that indycar shouldn’t exist.
When Grosjean hit the rail in Bahrain 2020, the normal gap drivers climb out of was blocked by a rail. He had to climb out of left side gap between the chassis and halo to get out. If there had been a wind screen in place, I imagine that he would’ve been stuck. :/
I was a huge fan of the cockpit design when that was in discussion during the Massa incident. Hadn't considered at all about the cooling for the driver (let alone watched Indycar to know they had it). Thanks for the breakdown, I'm glad they at least have the halos.
To be honest, I'd love to see a fighterjet-style canopy for F1 cars, but I'm also fine with the halo.
Soooo .... Indycar?
@@arkitect5692 Don't they have just a screen? Or did I misunderstand this part of the video?
Honestly i like the Halo as it is
Imo its nice looking
@@Vacaneu I still don't really like the looks of it, but better this than nothing.
@@Scorpio19110 Ok, then Icubderstood it correctly, thanks. :)
That fighter jet canopy took that force like a boss.
well it IS from a fighter jet, they usually fly at well over 1000mph so they gotta be quite strong
A friend of mine works in the field of 'natural impacts', which basically involves firing an especially bred chicken (so the weight is consistent within certain tolerances) through a very large air cannon (often with a 24"+ breach) at full mockups of commercial airline/private jet cockpits.
People think of bird-strikes into an engine is bad, but this one time, whomever set up the window in front of the left-hand (Captain's) seat, screwed it up right royally, as the impact of the bird, traveling at the same velocity as the climb rate, smashed straight through it, through the seat, and what was left over, got firmly embedded in the rear cockpit wall, directly behind said seat, thereby essentially scrapping the entire mockup.
Say friend, whom has seen some shit in his lifetime, actually got nausea, just thinking about what the hell would've happened if an actual pilot was sitting in that seat ...
... and I'm pretty sure 'words were had', as to whom exactly managed to screw up the mock-up quite so badly ...
(Insert joke about the co-pilot squawking badly ...)
@@nigelft Airline jets and fighter jets are totally different, on an airliner their cockpit glass/acrylic isn't is strong or robust as a fighter jets canopy.
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@@nigelft wait so a friend of yours gets to play angry birds all day long at work, that is awesome!
@@vulpix9210 AHAH THX
Closed cockpits came into WEC for the LMP1 cars over 10 years ago. They've had a great safety record so far, and the cars look awesome.
Closed cockpit for lmp1 look way better
Some drivers in nhra use cockpits on their 300+ mph nitro top fuel dragsters. Theyre made by an aviation company that does fighter jet cockpits, I believe lol
Hmm it makes me wonder what would happen should a fire happen, and disastrously you couldn't open said cockpit.
Can't lie a fighter jet canopy would look 🥶
"Too ugly." Ah yes, because F1 cars are all about the looks, the functionalities aren't important
covering the tyres would be functional too. safer, faster, eco-er. guess why they don't do it. because cars would not be sensitive to bumping eachother and the whole driving style and respect will die.
@@constantinosschinas4503 Also F1 was literally born to be an open wheeled sport. If not it would merge into other race series
I mean to be fair looks of the cars is like half the reason why I can watch it for more than 6 seconds if I’m being honest
@@danksanchez4324 yeah true apart from that it is incrediblely boring
@@akinatouge9763 yep but covering wheels w/ fenders like formula E prevent racers from crashes a lot, don't know why they didn't do that
You forgot to mention the introduction of windshield wipers to wipe off the bugs. Also the next move is obvious, EJECTER SEATS! 😂😂
Nah , they would just put a jetpack
@@gamestian2824 how about dark magic😂
@@blackdiamondheart9432 why don't they bring the whole NASA rocket?
@@gamestian2824 good idea
You laugh but it would be cool to see a driver pull the "oh shit" handle and GTFO during a crash. Unless they eject outside the seat envelope and rocket head first into the asphalt.
The full canopy would be the safest design. Fighter jets use explosives to remove the canopy in emergencies. I know in a fighter jet the only thing that makes it bearable when the canopy is closed is air conditioning. Not sure if they could figure out a way to air condition the cockpit properly and not add too much weight to the race car.
The first thing I thought about with a closed cockpit style was the heat. Then I realized how difficult it could be to get out of the car. Part of why Grosjean survived his crash was because of how quickly they could get him out of the car and fire. My other thought with the Indy car style is that if anything cracks or scratches the window and impairs vision the team wouldn't be able to repair that quickly during the race. I love the halo, and I also prefer the look of it over the open cockpit style of driving. But I'm not fully sold on the windshield and definitely would not advocate for a closed cockpit.
Pretty sure they have tear of windscreens
they have around 5 tear offs and the screen is not glass its polycarbonite.
Remember the days when we thought the halo was dumb, oh how wrong we were
Wow, I had no clue how much attention this would get so I should clarify, I was referring to me and others who didn’t see the practicality or need for the halo. It seemed ugly and like it would get in the way of the drivers view. However I totally understand if you liked it originally or if you still don’t like it.
I don't want to imagine Grosjean's crash last year without it. Makes the blood run cold.
I mean it still looks disgusting but it saves lives so im fine with it
and ppl laughing at the 'withstand weight of a london bus' comparison.
I was always for it, just had to get used to it. Nowadays I don’t even notice it anymore, and I actually like it
@@Wingbar yeah they were am eyesore at first, but now they are being integrated into liveries better and they don't bother me at all anymore.
I always wondered about this since I was a kid, but mostly thinking about aerodynamics. It made no sense to me how every single square centimeter of the vehicle takes air friction into consideration but the cockpit basically throws it all out of the window.
All out of the window. Get it?
helmet is the answer
There wasn't a window to begin with, which is sort of the point. :P
Window.
@Stellvia Hoenheim chill bro 😂
I think that closed cockpit designs could absolutely work if they implemented something like a NACA duct that could maybe be a passthrough airflow piece that could eventually be exhausted out the back of the car? It could be implemented as a downforce device potentially as well, allowing the new safety device to be a catalyst for more innovative ways to improve car design.
They already came up with halo, why fix something if it isn’t broken
@@thatmango3122 Innovation is one of the main driving forces of the F1. Experimenting with new ideas and coming up with creative solutions adds to this. So why not?
One reason why closed canopies are resisted is tradition. The idea of open wheel racing. Racing in the wet is completely different in a closed cockpit as well. Halo is the best compromise between greatly increasing safety and preserving the spririt of F1 (in my opinion). The design will continue to improve and evolve. the '22 cars look just awesome and the racing is better than in 5 years. A New Era indeed.
5:10 "Feeling like you're in a sauna"
Nascar: First time?
@Marcus Hutchison It's still usually over 100F inside the car. Drivers suffer burns on the bottoms of their feet from the engine heating the firewall. The aluminum seat is bolted on right over the exhaust as well, which gets hot enough to glow red.
@@rylian21 Oh dang
1980s rally Acropolis driver 😆
How do fighter pilots cope then!? They are traveling much faster!
Exactly what I was thinking. Those whiny babies in F1... lol. :)
The tire bouncing off the Fighter jet canopy was one of the coolest things 🤯🤯
I was thinking the same thing. Like wtf, those things are FLEXIBLE?
@@uwirl4338 They'd be made flexible on purpose. That same design made out of a more rigid structure would probably just shatter if put to the same test. In order to maintain the same degree of protection using a rigid material, you'd need to make it much thicker. Flexible material that can deflect something and still return to/maintain it's original shape is ideal.
even though im not a big racing fan, your videos are very interesting and engaging. keep up the great work :)
I love the look of the halo and I think they integrated it well
"So which emoji should we add in this video?"
"YES."
We need a Leclerc emoji
@@cyberdemon6517 let's include "oh no, me shoes!"
I love how they rotated a bidirectional arrow. Such effects. wow
That's very nice of you to include imperial and metric untis. Many TH-camrs should learn from you.
I object. The ignorant part of youtubers who doesn't understand metric should at least learn how to google. Full disclosure: I'm Russian living in California and I've learned to do both comfortably.
@@OlegStepanovViking I mean, as a Brit, I can get along quite well with kmph but I do prefer mph since it's what we use when we drive. Sure, people need to know the metric system if they use the imperial ons but there's no shame in having a preference. I believe Americans/Liberians should at least know how much 100⁰C is but there's no problem if they prefer Fahrenheit overall.
@@OlegStepanovViking why not using both
I too wondered the same even before the introduction of the halo, and this video is an excellent answer overall. Good job!!
This is a profoundly simplistic explanation of the problem. There was a 20+ year period of no fatalities in F1, but the cars became heavier and heavier and this has been the major problem. Cars were still light and safe, remember Gerhard Berger driving directly into a barrier at 180mph, and surviving with only broken legs. It's the weight that's the problem, and the meddling in the basics of the cars is destroying the sport. Now cars are so heavy, teams are really not bringing an extra chassis to events, as they never break. Red Bull's second team wouldn't change Daniel's chassis even though there was data that it wasn't manufactured to the highest tolerances, and was therefore inconsistent when under high aero loads, but teams are so committed to their limited budgets, that a replacement chassis took many weeks to get. This is why I have list interest in F1, even though I used to have commercial contact to the "sport". Is "sport" even the correct term anymore?
2022 Halo looks really awesome and well integrated.
I don't mind halo, aeroscreen or jet-style. As I read once about the halo: "The halo is not ugly, ugly is to watch how your favourite driver dies in his car".
It's always like this. The fans or players or the organizations will complain how a new rule is bad because it is ugly, unnecessary, reduce the sport or whatever cock and bullshit reasons they will give to refuse a regulation or rule. Then a tragedy happened and everyone is so shocked and appalled. "Why didn't we anticipate this? Why didn't we do something about this?"
Yea, we will going to, but you morons make childish complaints so it was never implemented. Good job, you people played yourself. Most regulations are written in blood and lives. Be grateful that the halo is not here now because someone died to prove how moronic fan opinions usually are.
F1 engineers: “Yeah we can make tiny spaceships”
Also F1 engineers: “No an A/C inside the cockpit just isn’t possible”
they can make anything under the sun, but if it won't make the car faster, or the FIA hasn't told them they have to, it's not going in the car.
if something adds weight to the car they will be against it
@@MagufoBoy it is fine if everyone have to add weight to the car.
@@ScottCyclops yea but it would make the cars a bit harder for the drivers to handle
and now also need to make the world a safer place too and thats getting rid of governments full stop tell em to shove there covid scam up there assess!!
what I LOVE about this whole situation... F1 and IndyCar are BOTH great!! I truly do not understand any debate as to which one is "better". They are both working together to innovate and improve the sport. That's what pure racing should be
I love this CHANNEL!! 0 to Racing Knowledge and Data in 2.4 seconds. Keep up the good content 👍👌
Imagine having someone's life changed the following year because something was "too ugly."
Safety shouldn't matter about how good or bad it looks, I wish they recognized that from the start.
That was terrible that people had to die to push forward a safety problem solution that was already proposed before.
Probably an Ecclestone decision.
I hate to say it, but people value looks whether you like it or not, I don't want F1 cars to look like dogshit, but I also want them to be safe as possible. For me the Halo is a good compromise, the moment these cars are no longer open cockpit they become more like LeMan's cars and less like F1.
I still hate it the halo should be removed
@valleywoodworker People don't watch sports just for the sheer potential lethality, at least not since the gladiatorial arenas of the olden days. But then again, MMA fighting still exists (though deaths are more uncommon from them ironically).
I thought the halo looked bad in the 2018 regs but looked like it was meant to come in with the 2019 regs with wider wings
I would think that a cockpit like the jet one would improve aerodynamics, and allow the designers to take air from wherever they need to create more aerodynamic vehicles.
I only started paying attention after the introduction of the halo, so for me it has always been normal and watching older footage gives me a "those savages" impression lol.
Hahaha me too! Only started get into it because of lockdowns. Then I watched the Schumacher documentary and kept thinking: "these cars look unsafe" although I couldn't put my finger on exactly what was different (I thought it was that the drivers didn't sit as deeply inside the car at the time).
This just shows me how well-integrated it looks to someone who's never had a preconception of what F1 cars look like before. It made the lines on the cars look slick and complete from front to back, and it looked safe and snug. I like it.
@@MilA-eh3gf definitely! To everything you said!
When i first thought of a closed cockpit on a F1 car,i thought “oh better aerodynamics” but then i thought “oh wait fires”
Yah...fires is what id be worried about...
What about an angle sensitive canopy ejector?
jets have the same issue, but they solved it really easily, in the case of a crash, explosive bolts are fired that launch the canopy into the air, away from the driver. they already use that tech in modern airbags, they can use it in f1. its not even that heavy, just a small det charge and a battery
With a closed canopy you can remove all the oxygen in there so there wont be any fires B)
Or they could just build an ejecting seat like jet planes lol..
Fun fact: brigth side is going to steal this video like how they stole the why f1 cars dont have airbags f101
who?
@@davidhudson7400 Bright side 💡
really hate that channel
@@Abravado me too
Buzzfeed clone. Bleh.
Some NHRA drivers use canopies on their 300+ mph top fuel dragsters. They have no issues with extraction by the driver or safety crew. They can do the heat because they aren't driving for 6 hours nonstop. Usually 20-30 minutes at a time, I think.
2:25 if yall have never seen an f-16 canopy deflect a frozen turkey at like 200mph i highly suggest yall watch it
It’s incredible that there was a time when cockpit safety revolved around not wearing a seat belt so you could get thrown clear in the event of a crash, ah the good old days 😳
Don’t have to worry about cockpit safety if you’re no longer in the cockpit
*points at head*
@@MScotty90 a very valid point sir!
You can just hear the crash investigators say, Mercedes, you are being investigated for the death of driver in one of your cars
Mercedes, yes but he wasn’t actually in our car when he died, he was in a tree
Crash Investigators, oh yea, you have a point, case closed!
legal technical point.
It's worth mentioning:
Another aspect of the Aeroscreen is visibility. Drivers (in indycar at least) had tear-off plastic layers on their visors so that when stuff like track rubber and bug splatter clouded their vision, they could tear off a layer and see again. Now that the cars have one giant windshield, the shields themselves have tear-offs that are pulled off during every pit stop or so. It's either that or having a guy with a rag clean it off during the stop.
Indycar's investigation of a cockpit protection structure began after Dan Wheldon's death in 2011. They experimented with simpler shields such as the fighter jet ones that are shown being tested by the FIA.
They would probably just do the same thing that LMP1 do and add a wiper.
@@MalcomMcLeod a wiper and high pressure water jet should fix the mess in the screen pretty fast
I think it just going to add more weight to f1 cars
@Happy Katz They are switching to electric motors or do you mean batteries? Maybe both? Where did you hear this? Also, weight will still be a factor. (even more so if they really do go electric since batteries are STILL much heavier than a comparable ICE engine and it's fuel.)
They already have them in F!
I think it would be fun to have either the aeroscreen or canopy.
But let the teams design their own and their own driver cooling systems with some testing by FIA for approval to ensure safety and air flow needs are met.
I want to see how teams use it for aerodynamics.
Honestly a jet fight cockpit design with some reiforncment struts would be the better solution as for extracting the drive rig it like a fighter cockpit release system
I remember watching a documentary about the Hans device 15 some years ago. The experts were asked if motorsports are now safe, and they said 'drivers are much safer now than before the Hans device, but there will always be something to improve on. There will be something else of concern in the future.' I foolishly didn't believe them at the time, but I guess they were right.
Sure cars will always be getting safer the issue is more and more of what makes motorsport special not only is lost you are seeing fewer and fewer actual racers join and more spokesmen in jumpsuits
Driving like flying and sailing before them will always be dangrous especly when you try to push them past their limits like going fast... Still with Dale Earnhart's death caused a massive wave in racing at least in the US as he refused to have a han's device. And that made nascar make it madtory and that has allowed his son and all his generation to retire to be commentators, youtubers and simracers...Which if people wanted safe motor sports they'll all be racing priuses at like 30 miles an hour... But I for one want to see a series hit 300 MPH one day.
*Protective halo added into race cars*
People: "it looks soo dumb lmfaoo.. "
*Protective halo removed*
Racer: dies*
People: surprised Pikachu face*
The people removed the halo devices? Damn them!
Hahahahaha
Oh yes I forgot auto sport always has been about SaFeTy, not about crazy dudes get cheap fame and money by risking their lives.
@@albyalby3843 Don't tell me, tell Reiki.
@@henryviiis_craft Well 30+ years ago they didn't have the technology for safety. But hey making racing safer for the drivers surely takes all the excitement out of racing doesn't it? Your statement is absolute bullshit.
Pov missing the old trio so much you go back three years and rewatch old videos
The skeletal look of the halo looks real good with the exposed suspension links of the open wheel design.
It’s the Indy car’s windshield that looks out of place.
Grosjean was saying it was very hot in the car when he tested in indycar a few days ago
I think the vent hose came loose, so his helmet was not getting any airflow - in one of the videos of his test, he came in and with an expletive he mentioned how hot it was haha!
@@deanhirasawa1414 yh that makes sense now thanks
When he tested it in Bahrein he was saying the same thing.
@@Yautja24 he tested an indycar in Bahrain?
@@mikelow4374 no
POV: you know the answer.. But still going through comments to find something funny.
Damn.. 1 freaking K!!!!
POV: But you're early so there's still no funny comments
@@curvedbridge lol
Most of his videos...
POV: I don’t know the answer but I’m going through the comments while waiting for the advertisement to end
and now also need to make the world a safer place too and thats getting rid of governments full stop tell em to shove there covid scam up there assess!!
a closed cockpit should be no problem if you ask me.
after all, tons of LM cars have closed cockpits and many of them are on par if not faster then an F1 car, and cooling doesn't seem to have been a problem for them for several decades now.
They worry over nothing, problems with closed cockpits are mostly already dealt with in other disciplines
It's easy to give ideas, but when it comes down to safety and tests, it takes years to perfect some safety ideas, not all of them are good👍
I never liked the halo until it saved Leclerc, we are very lucky to have him alive and well!
Lets not forget abou romain grosjean..
@@Spinal2060 and Lewis just last week
@@cc-000 Better the car being ugly than the driver's fate
And today he made us proud
Proof that dumb people always have to learn the hard way.
@5:52 "The screen can also be fitted or removed in 15 minutes..." Seems a bit slow?
pretty sure he meant 15 seconds
some fried chicken for sure, if it takes 15 min
@@WeicherKeks I sure hope so
“Yea mate i know its hot just give me 10 more minutes and itl be off”
Yeah i'm pretty sure you can do it a lot faster with a grinder
I was looking for this comment and REALLY hope they meant seconds.
I expect that full closed cockpits will eventually be the norm, for safety's sake and probably aerodynamics too. It make take a few decades or only a few years with technological advances in materials and design. The drawback to the Halo is that there are still areas that open for projectiles. The obvious one for full cockpits is the cockpit ventilation issue. One is more simpler to fix and that will be the direction the manufacturers go.
It would take way less, we have already the required technologies used in aerospace engineering
Closed cockpits are all well and good but how does the driver get out if he flips over?
@@adamcoe How do they get out with the halo?
We could consider the drivers who would’ve been burned alive if they hadn’t veen extracted fast enough.
Or the drivers who actually were burned alive.
F1: the windscreen makes it too hot for the driver. They won’t get air
NASCAR: hold my beer
👍
But F1 have more corner
@@Ramasenirama That's a strawman statement, you can design aero tunnels to increase air pressure inside the air chamber, providing more airflow at cornering speeds. F1 is everything about aerodynamics, to say that they can't because of cornering is a farce statement.
the only time hold my beer is actually what they would say 😂
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It will be good for closed cockpit but there is always a risk for drivers to stuck in there amd harder to escape
There’s been a couple of good suggestions around that. Like a two piece canopy with a forward roll bar. The back part of the canopy would split in two and detach in case of emergency
th-cam.com/video/kvem7P6nRT0/w-d-xo.html
Check this out, Ignore the rest of the car design but this canopy concept is entirely possible
@Alan Ali 12 You saw the fire in the Grosjean incident? I dont think any fire extinguisher would've helped. Plus theres definetly more smoke, if there is a closed room around the driver.
Have a nice day :)
@Alan Ali 12 a fire extinguisher wouldn't have saved grosjean, as the fire was beyond to ability of one extinguisher to put out. The smoke and fumes would also have killed grosjean in a closed cockpit, which a fire extinguisher can do nothing about.
Yanick Gehrig bit the fire extinguisher they do have gave grosjean enough time to get out
Zhou in Silverstone this year was a good example
I am a huge fan of Leclerc and seeing the SPA incident with Alonso, and seeing how the halo device saved his life clears every doubt I have about it. It especially strange to watch considering it's his godfathers death that spurred the idea of the Halo into motion, and because of that people like Leclerc, Grosjean and Hamilton are still alive today.
15 mins for removal of the cockpit in and emergency seems a very long time. Surely you mean 15 seconds?
I agree. 15 minutes would mean life or death in an emergency situation.
In 15 minutes someone could call the fire department and they could bring the jaws of life to cut someone out. I sincerely hope a screen meant for racing can be taken off faster than that
@@matthewgroff433 15 minutes won't be the time how long it takes to extract a driver from the cockpit...
you acting like it really takes 15 minutes from IndyCars superior safety team with decades of experience 15 minutes to extract a driver from a cockpit.
They have to sign the proper paperwork first.
Grojeon incident should answer the question
And how?
@@TheLibermania he would have not been able to escape anywhere as quickly
@@TheLibermania Not only might he not have been able to escape, but his head could have been torn off had the halo not bent the crash barrier around him.
@@JustSomeGuyWithNoMaidens except we are putting this in a reality where the closed cockpit is as strong or stronger than the halo. In that case the screen would bend the barrier
Grosjean climbed out thru the area where a windscreen would have been. He would have been trapped with a windscreen.
I honestly only wanted the F1 to have those closed, jet-like cockpits, is because they would make more sense in aerodynamics and most importantly: they look cool af
step by step we will get there
back in the days cars didn't have roof let alone transparent substance in them, same as small aircrafts
now we have fighter jets and cars concepts that don't even have glass as windshield "screens and cameras"
so the answer is yes
The indycar screen weirdly looks quite sleek from side on view, but very bulky and high from front on view?
That's because there's pretty much zero tumblehome to the design. This is for two reasons: 1. So the opening in the top of the structure is wide enough to for the driver to egress or be extracted in the case of an incident, particularly a fire. 2. So you're only forming the screen-bend around one axis which means less opportunity for distortion in the polycarbonate.
@@DapperHesher it’s not just that. The DW-12 safety cell was never designed with the aeroscreen in mind when it debuted in 2012. Essentially, the device is really a bolt-on. With the introduction of the new IndyCar in 2023 or 2024, the aeroscreen will be better integrated into the design and thus not feel like a bolt-on device it currently is on the DW-12 chassis.
@@CoSmicGoesRacing I doubt they're going to narrow the exit template much however, for the aforementioned reasons. They may blend it better at the base with the tub, sure, but the driver's got to get out in the case of a fire.
@@DapperHesher I didn’t say they would narrow it. I just said that the new chassis would be designed with the aeroscreen in mind. So it would appear that the aeroscreen is really part of the car and not a bolt-on like it is currently.
@@CoSmicGoesRacing And I'm saying it's still going to look a bit wonky... especially to the conservative nitpickers who can only see form and not function.
Me in 2017: "Why would putting that ugly, inconvenient halo piece of crap even be considered? FIA is full of it."
Me in 2021: "Honestly, what sort of mentally impaired person would think the halo is not the best ever FIA idea in history?"
Me *now* - umm you in 2017.
@@netlord7179 for safety purpose, it is best to accept the halo bro
I did a full 180 on the Halo too.
Now I'm thankful it has saved lives
@@netlord7179 Lewis Hamilton would literally be dead right now if he hadn't had the halo to protect him at Monza.
@@Notadragon621 ikr it was a jk bruh
Why not wear water cooling suits in the car? Duct some air through a radiator and have an adjustable bypass valve for regulating temperature. For safety have a quick disconnect for the system on the suit and a redundant quick disconnect on the tubes or on the chassis.
Not sure how much it would restrict driver movement though. I’ve never worn one before. Sounds like it would be cool though to have an adjustable thermostat to cool your entire body to a desired temperature.
It would be good if each team decided whether to use the aeroscreen or the halo, we could see a grid with cars designed differently
It’s interesting that no one has mentioned ejection seats. I feel like it would make Kimi more interested...
You haven't read enough comments. I made one comment months ago about how the canopy could block emergency egress in the event of a rollover or stacked cars. I've gotten nonstop TH-cam notifications about how fighter jets have ejection seats.
So if u dont die in the impact u die because u get ran over 😂
Kimi would've launched himself out of the car and parachute landed straight on to his yacht.
Ejection seats are even more dangerous as they compress the spine of those launched, a fighter pilot can have only 3 ejections in a lifetime before they are forced to retire from flying due to spinal compression. Not to forget that explosive charges are needed to eject the canopy. As the fighter of the canopy tested, the F-16, has an board climate control which deals with the greenhouse effect of the canopy, the solution IndyCar made looks very logical.
The windscreen works if the windscreen wasn’t on last year at Iowa we possibly would’ve lost reenus veekay
and now also need to make the world a safer place too and thats getting rid of governments full stop tell em to shove there covid scam up there assess!!
@@seanthompson258
Keerist, grow up.
@@seanthompson258 Your claims are ill informed and irrelevant. Have a nice day and stay healthy.
@@Coastfog just report him, he's just spamming the same message throughout the entire comments section
@@seanthompson258 nice, when is the next French Revolution?
They would look sicker with the canopy
The fighter jet canopy would be sick!
Me: "thats actually a great question"
Typical highish like comment: Edit: "OmG tHaNk YoU aLl FoR sO mAnY lIkEs. I hAve NeVeR hAd SuCh A pOpUlAr CoMmEnT !i!i!"
That is like harvard student question ..briliance
LMAO...right?!
that wasnt answered...
OMG SAME
But the answer, was like "uhhhhh, I dunno. I think they are working on it though"
Really interesting video, personally I don't mind either way. If it improves driver safety then go with whatever the best choice is so we can avoid having another tragedy. Glad to see IndyCar and F1 are collaborating on this.
I wish they just made fighter jet style canopy that is transparent enough that it does nearly disappear at distance or to the camera. This way cars would be more aerodynamic, drivers would be even better protected and cars would look nearly open cockpit. Cooling the driver and and a safety ejection system can be implemented too
I think using a bubble canopy along with the nostril system from Indycar would be a good mashup
From my understanding Ayrton Senna would literally have walked away from his accident if he had the Indy car protection, as a piece of the suspension penetrated his helmet.
I can't believe this is taking so long.
if you want safety become a clerk.
@@constantinosschinas4503 if you want blood become a gladiator asshole
Hindsight is 20/20
@@crysishell9226 relevance unclear; gladiators wear helmets and shields
@@constantinosschinas4503 If you want to be an asshole, do it somewhere else.
Imagine a fighter cockpit on a 2022 F1 car. That's be so cool
Sheet of the polcycarbonate between the existing halo, not going all the way to the bottom to allow airflow but still blocking majority of small debris now especially because most air would be directed above the opening
5:40 indie cahars🤣🤣, seems like someone tickled you while narrating
I remember watching F1 with my dad from a young age and watching Massa get hit by the spring live that weekend and I'm not sure the halo would have helped. It seemed to come from head on. Regardless it's good that F1 is looking to improve safety.
An aeroscreen would have saved him though
The should have gone with closed cockpits
A halo wouldn't save massa at all
Still an improvement tho but not enough nor classy
They improve f1 helmet after massa incident
Why not decrease the speed of F1, eliminate Eau Rouge, make all tracks have gigantic run off areas and have closed cockpits? Oh because it looks bad? And F1 is meant to be risky and thrilling? You people are so hypocritical
@@R9naldo youre really commenting this everywhere, the halo is a very small addition with massive benefits while not affecting the overall sport immensly, idk why youre so offended over a clean addition.
5:16 *Räikkönen would absolutely love that!*
I would imagine there must be a balance between driver comfort and safety. These drivers do have to sit in the same spot for a few hours for the duration of the race. At first I didn’t care for the halo design but I’ve come around a bit. It was just different and now it seems more normal to see it so many people just like me needed time to let it grow on them. We’ll see what the future holds I guess but I just hope whatever that is it doesn’t diminish the beauty of these cars.
Idea: Use a modified version of the Halo with a screen showing a HUD on the front, and “windows” on the sides (optional extra protection)
I think I worked out there could have been 5 deaths or injuries without the halo in 2020
Edit:
Sainz - Mugello
Stroll - Mugello
Giovinazzi - Mugello
Grosjean - Bahrain
Russell - Spa
Leclerc - Monza
Latifi - Mugello
You're just exaggerating with some of those crashes. Sainz, leclerc, stroll, latifi, Russel and antonio would have all be still fine without the halo(apart from grosjean)
@@KingdomChablo agree. Alonso had his crash in 2012 at spa without a halo which he survived
@@KingdomChablo I said injuries too not all deaths Giovinazzi's halo hit Latifi's side pod in Mugello and Leclerc's halo was holding up the tyre barrier at Monza and at Spa Russell's wheel hit his halo so these are the one's I thought could be deaths but the others just injuries
@@thomasw4222 there still wouldn't have been any injures at all. Look at all the crashes. The drivers where all fine even without the halo
@@KingdomChablo yes because it's not like Giovinazzi's halo was what caused his car to bounce back off Latifi's car or Leclerc's halo was holding up tyres which would have been on him or Russell's tyre bounce off the halo infront of his head
Me: "Why don't I just sleep already?"
1:42 I like how he showed word car experiment into literally a chemical lab experiment. Nice comparison.
Yeah, I also wondered sometimes why the Halo and not a closed cockpit. especially because you probably get better aerodynamic results with a cockpit, where the air flows above you on a smooth and curved surface.
I can Talk from experience in Formula Student, that the opening where the driver is seated and the driver itself create a lot of Turbulence. With this your Rear Wing often doesn´t produce as much Downforce as you hoped it would.
I've been drawing open wheel cars with fighter jet bubble canopies since I was 13 or 14 (late 80's) but fire and emergency egress has always been the real world reason fully enclosed cockpits aren't practical in such cars. I think the halo is a very good compromise in terms of head safety...think back to the early Lotus days and how far we've come in driver safety. It's amazing.
I remember when Barichello wasn’t satisfied with HANS and it pretty much saved him right away.
and now also need to make the world a safer place too and thats getting rid of governments full stop tell em to shove there covid scam up there assess!!
@@seanthompson258 god damn it, enough with the off topic spam
@@brigadgeneralvoid2508 You're having fun, too, admit it. xD I think it's great entertainment when people speak with an authority that they don't convey in the least.
@@seanthompson258 So 500,000+ dead people are scam artists? Meanwhile, back at the race . . . .
I have simulated an entire F1 car in CFD, with 10x higher resolution than what NASA has to offer. Turns out the halo is very aerodynamic, and being such an essential improvement for driver safety, it's here to stay!
guess what we need to consider is how to eject quickly the halo / windshield. If you can press a button or pull a lever (from the outside and inside). that would release the whole structure, then the extraction time would not be affected. Some minimal windshield would be nice to protect against small but high speed impactors. It does not need to be all covering, but of course it could cover the space the halo provides.
I just only wish if these security measures were around Senna's accident.