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Well as an older IFV it still will be able to do the job of taking infantry to the frontline. The question is should it remain on the frontline and give support since it is a, though older IFV is more capable than lets say a M113 APC as well as the dutch YPR765. So at least Ukraine will have something to continue the fight with. Its better than nothing. Though to be truthful there will be some losses as said. That is war but I'm sure it will do a better job than most APCs.
All you who critize it for not being an IFV: Ukraine is in a situation where they have to use vehicles like HUSKY TSVs as IFVs, amx-10RCs as MBTs and civilian pickup trucks as if they were APCs. Also take note that it is much better armoured than the M113, it is amphibious and has a 20mm cannon. A truly valuable addition to Ukraine's arsenal.
@@randomguy-z2l There is about 180-200 stored, but it's assumed that it can be delivered about 140 well working vehicles and the rest will be donaters for spare parts.
As former company commander (captain) of mechanized infantry I had 14 PBV 302 under my command. The company was never intented to charge alone against Russian battle tanks (T72 or T80). However, the panzer battalion we where a part of had 36 battle tanks and as combined strike forze we never feared our enemy -- too the contrary. If Ukraine use the PBV 302 in a smart tactic way, it will be an asset against the same enemy. I wish you all the best success in the battle field.
200 armored vehicles that can be put into "non hot" zones to free up more capable vehicles is great. But if a PBV302 would face off against a BMP3 or T-72 it would of course not do so great. But if you have to ride in a PBV302 or a non armored vehicle I think most soldiers would pick the 302.
How often does that actually happen? Tank engagements are rare in Ukraine as well as BMP3. The majority of IFV are BMP 1 & 2. Both can be penetrated with a 20mm from all sides. Not saying it will outperform anything, but it will also not go under.
@@AddieHiltonnie .nie większość ale są straty . To wojna pelnoskalowa a pancerz jest po to by personel miał szansę wsiąść do nowego pojazdu po zniszczeniu tego w którym byli ostatnio.. większość nowych pojazdów na Ukrainie pracuje w ciężkich warunkach. Rosyjskie są bardziej podatne na likwidację swojego petsonelu we razie porażenia... Osobiście patrzę jak zachowuje się personel podczas walki. Jak siedzą na zewnątrz pojazdu ,na dachu to pojazd już jest hm muzealny.
@@AddieHiltonpowinneś spojrzeć na ilość używanych pojazdów po obu stronach Ukraina ma mniej opancerzonych od rosji i jej pojazdy ciężej pracują by nadrobić przewagę rosji. Rosja traci bardzo dużo opancerzonych. Wydaje się że właśnie szybciej zabraknie rosji bwp niż czołgów. Straty Rosjanie mają prawie codziennie około 30/40 to znaczy że miesięcznie około tysiąc. A nie wszystkie zmagazynowane pod chmurką nadają się na odnowienie i wprowadzenie do walki.
They would probobly be paired with a Leopard or at least a CV90 or a bradley with ATGM missiles Also the 302 would protect against pretty much all weapons apart form direct hits from artillery or large caliber guns. Considering that most munition flying around the battle field is either grenade fragments or small caliber bullets.
It's a taxi that doesn't require roads. It can carry 2000kg of supplies. You can't cut a supply line if it's not a line. Destroying a bridge only slows it down. It's amphibious.
Old Swedish equipment was built diffrent. There's a reason why it was used for so long. Very reliable, simple to repair often not in need of special parts or fragile electronics.
Sweden took an M113 and used it as blueprint. The goal was to make a vehicle that had better armor and performance than the M113. The PBV302 would prove to have better armor than the M113, better offroad capability and better firepower. Today, Ukraine uses M113s effectively in assaults against Russian trenches. You tell me if the PBV302 is outdated in Ukraine 😊 Also, it was designed to have acceptable protection against the 84mm HEAT rounds of the Carl Gustaf. The Carl Gustaf easily rips apart BMP1s and BMP2s. In former Yugoslavia, 3 PBV302s survived direct hits from ATGMs, others took hits from RPGs. No dead Swedish soldiers. But sure... only a battle taxi.
@@satanihelvetetdespite numerous videos showing the M113 driving up to Russian positions? We even have video of an M113 following a CV90 up to Russian trenches
I mean, Ukraine uses the M113 to attack positions. The M113 is older than the PBV302. Both Ukraine and Russia uses the BMP1 to attack positions. The BMP1 was introduced the year after the PBV302. Im just saying
The m113 has proved to be ineffective as armoured vehicle that can provide any meaningful cover on the battlefield. Its easily targeted by drones which rip through its thin armour.
The amphibious using tracks part seems to be the more interesting feature, and also it sounds more armored than the M113, which already make a difference. It’ll be a good up-armed APC
I have spent more hours in one than most, both in Sweden as well as during two deployments to Bosnia. It does have good mobility and better protection than a landcruiser. The gun is not stabilized but can be used to lay suppressive fire. I would say that as a battletaxi or as a ambulance it would work just fine. It's very reliable as far as maintenance goes and is easy to drive once you get used to the gearbox and that it has a feature when engine breaking that reverses directional inputs from the driver.
What would you choose, riding to the frontline in the open bed of a Toyota Hilux, or inside a Pbv302...? I say they may be old, but if used correctly as battle taxis, ambulances and as transports between the rear and the contact line only, I think they can be a nice asset. Even on today's battlefield...
Any weapon is better than no weapon; Ukraine doesn't have the luxury of choosing what weapons it will fight with, some are even forced to use softskinned vehicles.
Any protection is better than no protection and the offroad capability is exellent, Anything is better than going in with a car. We have seen both old and new wehicles on both sides of the current conflict going up in flames in mass.
Definitely. If the cannon is to be used, it would have to be only in very special situations. Otherwise, it's supposed to bring troops to and from the battlefield in a somewhat safer way.
@@frankbock211 What's so funny? Ukraine requested similar vehicles and they were happy to get these as i understand it. Hardly any worse than the MT-LB that the russians use that are about the same era APCs. I was just saying that it is extremely obvious that the Pbv 302 won't be used as "front vehicles" as in fighting anything. Great at transporting troops, with "ok" armour (shrapnel and sub 20mm ammo).
Classic "don't let perfect be the enemy of good" scenario. A useful vehicle that carries a weapon and has thick enough armor to survive splinters from artillery that doesn't land too close. Sounds way better than having to walk. Ukraine can also potentially add things like ERA blocks or alternate weapons.
@@matso3856 It was just a s suggested possibility. Good white-boarding exerciise - throw up as many ideas as possible, without discounting any until all ideas presented. Then narrow down the possibilities by selective elimination. The outcome(s) will often be sound possibilities.
Calling it an IFV might be bit of a stretch, in Swedish this is a pansarbandvagn rather then a stridsfordon like the CV90. I guess it stradles the line between apc and ifv with the autocannon and protection from some smaller autocannons sort of makes it just count as an IFV. In Swedish military nomeclature, the pbv302 belongs together with m113 and mtlb club and not with the CV90 though.
@@Gustavj0321 I actually thought about the pbv 501. From what little I know, they where supposed to be used for the previously soft skin only infantry brigades where the cv90s where for the mechanized brigades. The pbv501/bmp1 were supposed to be used like battelfiled taxis with focus on the dissmounts and during exercises where they tried to use the pbv501/bmp1 offensively like an IFV it failed pretty bad. So I guess is primarily a doctrinal issue if you call it pansarbandvagn or stridsfordon.
@@meanmanturbo When Sweden got their hands on the BMP’s as part of its purchase of German Leopard 2’s, they issued them to infantry battalions thus upgrading their level of protection and firepower, while the new CV90 mk I went to the armoured battalions.
Each thing at its place, it hard to claim that these will turn the tide but one can say the same for allmost any weapon system. Quantity is a quality in itself..
quantity is not a quality in itself, a fleet of useless vehicles will end up causing more problems than they fix. however I understand where your coming from ,Ukraine needs vehicles, especially ones similar to this so their gonna take what they can get.
It seems they have about 180-200 of these, so it's a sizeable contribution that could be enough for 4-5 battalions (10 units in each infantry company, 4 infantry companies per battalion), which is the equivalent of a brigade. Mix in a tank company in each battalion, and this could perhaps even be enough for two small brigades. And let's face it, Russia is fielding weapons and equipment that outdate even the PBV 302. It'll have an impact, for sure, but like with most other weapons donated, it won't be a game-changer.
UA command should distribute these "battle taxies" to their Marine Brigades so as to leverage the vehicles amphibious capabilities which were not mentioned in this analysis.
@@TB-zf7we Although it is amphibious, it is not suitable for the sea, only for crossing a river or lake. Ukraine has BMP-1 and BMP-2 both are amphibious, BTR-4 as well, so does BTR-82 and they have the same cruising speed, they are not used for amphibious operations either, for crossing the river it is good but only out of contact with the enemy, on water is a slow target. Even in the Soviet doctrine for the mechanized army, the amphibious crossing of a water obstacle with a BMP is only out of contact with the enemy and only there when a bridge cannot be built quickly.
@@TB-zf7we Yes, but there is no need for it in places where they will not be threatened, and in the Cherson region they would have to cross a river that Russia can see and they would be in big danger. They have a bridge in Zaporizhia and it is not under the control of Russia, so it is pointless to use swimming there. Generally, swimming with a combat vehicle or APC is used if you control both banks and there is no bridge available, this situation is not common in Ukraine. Rather smaller rivers in the north where there would be a very short section. This vehicle is more for rear deployment these days. But I am afraid that the Ukrainian army will use them in the front line because they have nothing else, they drive in pickup trucks and MRAPs, and they are also destroyed by drones.
@@KorbenDalasCZ UA Marines have a small bridgehead in the village of Krynki across from Kherson, which is a long way South of the Zaporizhzhia dam/bridge. The Marines have already been using a few versions of the BV-206 that they received to swim supplies/wounded across and yes there have been loses due to drones.
Good video and I agree of most of the facts and argues. However... At 4.00 it's said that the cannon has an elevation angle between -10 to +50 degrees. The true fact is that maximum elevetion is 35 degrees. At 4.04 it's said that the cyclic rate of fire is 500 r/min. Fact says 480 r/min. At 4.07 it's told about the feeding. That's correct fact for the early version, but in the first upgrading both belt feeding, 10 round box magazines (for de AP round) and the ammunition was abandoned for a new multi purpose (half AP/HE) round fed from 30 r box magazines.
@@WeaponDetective You can also take a look at the youtube channel belonging to the Swedish tank museum "Arsenalen". They have vidoes in English too, or at least with Eng subtitles. They made a few videos on the Pbv 302.
I bet the Swedish heater works consistently. I good heater in a tracked vehicle makes winter operations kind of bearable. I used to heat up my MREs in my launchers heater vents, it worked really well.
It may look cute but I'm actually kinda bummed he didn't keep any sound of the vehicle in the vid. It sounds like a beast. Best engine-sound I've ever heard.
If it moves it can be used. They even fortify regular cars for transport, so having an already fortified veihicle with 20mm on it is a no-brainer. Sure, its not frontline, but most of the war is logistics.
@@martinsmith9054 True, although if alm vehicles are donated and partially used for spare parts they might last long enough. But it's a fair point. Time to start thinking about upping IFV production in Europe
@@DaReaperZ at this point in the conflict any tracked armored chassis is useful for either side. An anti FPV drone canopy is probably more important than the latest fashionable bling.
According to Oryx, Ukraine has lost almost 400 AFVs, more than 900 IFVs and almost 500 APCs - plenty of these were 1960 - 1970 vintage models. Sweden supplying 180 units will be a welcome sight for the Ukranian armed forces. Their survivability cant be much worse than a M113 or a BMP1. Beggars cant be choosers.
@@scepticalwalker3984oryx double counts Russian vehicles losses, miscounts Ukrainian losses for russian, and uses photos that are very hard to tell. They have been caught screwing up things many times. Weeb Union has a good video on it called Oryx Exposed i would send a link but TH-cam deletes links as spam.
This list (according to ORYX) only includes confirmed, destroyed vehicles and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available. Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here. Russia - Total Hardware and Tank losses in Ukraine since 24 february 2022 Total - 16,422, of which destroyed: 11,835, damaged: 745, abandoned: 935, captured: 2,907 Tanks - 3,137, of which destroyed: 2,118, damaged: 157, abandoned: 346, captured: 516 Ukraine - Total Hardware and Tank losses in Ukraine since 24 february 2022 Total - 5,963, of which: destroyed: 4,184, damaged: 507, abandoned: 254, captured: 1,018 Tanks - 846, of which destroyed: 576, damaged: 71, abandoned: 65, captured: 134
To be fair. Modern vehicles like the the BTR82s also die from drones and mines. They will end up the same way. Drive to front shoot a bit drive on mine or get hit by drone and then get abandoned.
It's more APC than IFV, but to be fair the entire APC idea was a mistake for the simple reason their mobility COERCES use as an IFV. Tracked mobility is always useful and people who expect everything with tracks to be an MBT or a Namer are clueless and should be ignored. Not a bad system which if used wisely should serve well.
@@petrsukenik9266 The issue, I believe #oldphart-zc3jz was alluding to is when certaiin militaries attempt to convert APC's, inappropriately into IFV's. A purpose for which they were not originally intended.
I don't see how this is any worse than a BMP-1, which is being widely used as a frontline IFV by both sides without "disastrous results." If anything, this is better, because it is roomier and more mobile and has an autocannon. I think you use way too much hyperbole and are a bit out of touch with what roles vehicles are actually playing on the battlefield in Ukraine.
Except that we are talking about a small unit that needs to perform a specific task quick, here we talk about providing a thin metal box on tracks to serve as meaningful cover and protection from enemy fire.
@@Red0100 vintage like the abrams which is over 40 years old or the leopard which is also 40 years old or the f16 that came out in 1978. Or what about the recent new a out the supply of mirage 2000 which is equally old or as you said vintage. The marder for examples made in the 1959 still in service with the bundeswehr. So whos using vintage weapon ?
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These are way better than any van Ukraine uses in some areas to evacuate people or drive critical supplies around. If Ukraine accepts them, then I am sure they found a role for them. They accepted the antiquated M55s tanks, and found a role for them. They took the vastly under armoured Valuk/Pandur 2 and even the M80a BVP. They didn't take them because they are great, but because they had a use for them. Would it be better if Ukraine has just 1 system for each role, of course. But this is what is available. Some is amazing, some is quite dated. But Russia has the same problems, with their systmes spanning from WW2 trucks to the latest and greatest Russia can still produce.
Agree with your comment and have supported it. Also, many of these machines are relatively easy to source parts for (Volvo-Penta (Pbv 302) and Detroit V series (M113) engines) and also easier to work on than some of the later more sophisticated machines.
@@Peter-up9yw exactly. The US also kept their Humvees after the JLTVs were adopted. They just gave them less intensive roles. Slovenia donated their Humvees to Ukraine, because they dont need that many of those support vehicles of that class after JLTVs came.
Kinda strange to citicise pbv 302 for being outdated when both sides are using tons of vehicles as old and with comparable features on the front lines and have used since the start of the war. Seems to me that its roughly equivalent to bmp-2.
@@mattiasdahlstrom2024 Its basically a tractor, runs well, works hard and is actually quite simple to maintain. I did my military service on this in 2000-2001.
Very impressive that you managed to say all the Swedish names in their full glory, *clap clap*. Small correction1: The cannons used to be belt fed, but this was later changed on all of them to make them cartridge fed. Small correction2: The PBV 302 is more of an APC than IFV. It was meant to carry troops into battle and then stay to support them with the cannon. Ukraine will probably make the most use out of these bad-boys as battle taxis and armored ambulances. A vehicle not for the modern front-line, but more for the rear.
As a platoon they were to dismount and fight with firesupport from the Pbv 302 but in cooperation with tanks on attack they were supposed to fight inside the Pbv 302 and fire from the top. And this is how even the CV90 is used, they also have hatches on the top that open so the troops can fire from the inside on attack
Yes, the 20 mm belt feed from it's fighter jet daddy. It is now magazine fed, quicker in a rush, or easier to transport ammo around under fire. This makes it a more adult version of the M113 . Sometimes I wonder if the US will ever run out of the million M2 Brownings 50, or will they just be there in 3034.
Its true, I was a gunner/driver on the PBV3022 in the 90’s. The belt feed mechanism had been removed by then; You had instead 10 30-round magazines made of thick steel, weighing 27 kg fully loaded, which you had to one-arm curl from the floor into the magazine well on your right. That made me realize why the physical strength requirements was higher for the gunner/driver than for the dismounts, even though we where “just sitting in a seat”.
@@tetsu2sweden Thank you for reply, as we need more service people to give their thoughts on the aspects of being there. My service was in 3 -PPCLI , as a cadet from a small town, which was more likely to survive in a post-nuclear war scenario . The TOW was brand new then , and the 3 man team means 6-8 cadets since we really were kids, and TY to uncle Regen , NATO had the tools to effectively burn Soviet armor. The APC of the time for us was the MOWAG- LAV in the 6x6 version, amphibious , with the Cadilac -gage, 1 man turret, 1 Browning .50 cal +a Browning .30 cal. so no wrestling with a 27 Kg (58 lb.)magazine. I was not an armored troop, but had some play time on the LAV. I learned later all the 6x6 versions went to Africa as defense aid, inc. the 76 mm fire support version....the most heavily armed model at that time. The PBV3022 would be a better Vagon in all terms, but for speed/stealth as the wheeled LAV was a hot rod with 80 kph. easy on roads.
It's an APC from the mid 60's. It is used for transports...Pretty much all modern AT-weapons will penetrate it. But it's not intended for fighting either. Still 10 times better protection than driving soldiers around in trucks etc.
Its not an IFV, more like an upgraded APC. Compared to the M-113, I would say this is better, better armour, mobility and weapons. Its also pretty easy to keep working if you follow the maintenance schedule( have no idea how it compares to the M-113 in this regard). Its not an IFV but maybe it could be used in an assault role if accompanied by proper IFVs. As for the UAV thing, they will have their place but for every effective weapon comes a countermeasure and Im sure that there will be one in 5 years for UAVs as well, at least when it comes to the kamikaze drones. Armoured vehicles will be fitted with weapons and radars against them in just a few years. Recon drones are another matter as well as the large UAVs with ATGW like the MQ-1/3s
Those names man.....if I wouldn't know the Swedish I I would thought you just performed an insane rap song. I loved the video so much. I'm curious to see their performance in Ukraine
It's much better than a BRDM, it's marginally better than an M113. Ukraine uses both so having a better vehicle than either would be accepted I'd imagine.
From what I understand, the 302's intended tactic was to charge a position and support the infantry alongside them. Looking at its design, it makes sense that the turret is placed so forward, its position, combined with the frontal angle of the armor, allows it to fire downwards into a trench from relatively up close.
no, almost all Swedish vehicles has good gun depression due to the Swedish terrain, mostly hills that often are covered by forest With the infantry dismounted the pbv 302 stays behind the group, providing fire support. When part of an armoured attack, the mounted infantry protects the vehicle through the hatches and provides support to the tanks.
Despite the tanks initial mixed success, its game-changing potential was quickly understood. So too it is for drones today. We are in the experimentation phase, figuring out which tactics and strategies work. However the war in Ukraine turns out, the lessons learned from it will influence warfare for the next 100 years.
Yes, TY Sweden. These in clumps can be great for ambulance, supply, mail, anything to and from the frontline, but not on it please. Like MT-LB 's need tracks for bad weather, and no roads.
I suspect the Pbv302 will serve in the same role the donated M113s do; transport and medevac between forward positions and the frontlines. It's not meant to attack anything, just being able to bite back if something attacks it while it's doing transport duty.
In the war we see assaults by Humvees and motorbikes maybe speed is more important in this war. However if you want to move in deep Ukrainian mud a tracked vehicle is the only option.
despite the slightly larger gun this is just an m113 with a swedish accent a far cry from an ifv it will serve well as a battle taxi, not a frontline slugger
Great contribution,as an ambulance,ammunition supply,and troop transport.Sounds much better than the alluminium m113 that can't stop much incomming,and certainly better than riding a Btr or an Bmp...Everything helps.Thanks to Sweden!
The large internal volume with the top hatches is an asset. How many vertical launched drones could it carry? One side full of drones, the other side full of drone pilots. Drone version of blitzkrieg.
Definately better than nothing. The M113's have been useful for the Ukranians and both sides use BMP1's that are almost as old as the PBV's. I've only seen the PBV's close by when I did my conscriptions service, but I've read that it is much beloved by their crews. The modern battlefield is not what we thought it would be like as the use of drones has changed everything, like you mentioned. There are no wonder weapons and no clear winning tactics.
I did my military service in one. It is meant as transport of troops protecting from small arms fire and has 20 mm cannon vs infantry. It has that job to do and does it well. People play to much war thunder.
So you could say that Tunnan lives on as donated parts. For so long. (Only one Tunnan, of over 600 produced, is still functional, after several years of restauration. 'Gul Rudolf' can occasionally be seen at air shows.)
Does anyone know if the Arsenalen - Swedish Tank Museum (Sveriges försvarsfordonsmuseum) PBV 302 Vehicle number 204442 belong to the same regiment as the PBV 302 shown at 3:54 with vehicle number 204499 ?
It's better then nothing it can move in mud unlike Pick up and vans it's protected against small arms up to 12.7mm on the sides, every vehicle in Ukrain is vulnerable to drones but i rather be in the PBV then a unarmoured vehicle
if the pbvs can save some lives geting soldiers from A to B its a win. will they be any "good" in service? depends on when and where and how they will be used i guess,.
It's an excellent APC, not an IFV. It can protect against shrapnel, small arms fire and according to actual combat experience in former Yugoslavia also Russian made RPGs. No modern APC can survive tank gun fire or modern ATGMs. It's not worse than the BMP class vehicles used by both Russia and Ukraine in the ongoing conflict. I assume we will naturally refit the delivered vehicles with spall liners for crew and passenger survival, which is a vital part of armoured vehicles as we have seen, and especially important for Ukraine given its lower population. I think it will be useful. Not as useful as Bradleys and CV90s by far, but it is far better than no vehicles at all. If for nothing else it can run supplies, act as an ambulance and deliver troops to and from the line of engagement. Also, its good performance in mud means it will be more effective at these roles during the very muddy spring and autumn seasons in Ukraine. Everything in war adds up to produce actual combat power and it's not all about better guns and heavy armour. The Pbv 302 will add to Ukraine's combat power and I'm happy my country is supplying these along with the modern CV90.
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200 are in storage and the goal was to donate the whole inventory. Some are old UN service vehicles and most if not all have stood in storage for 20+ years. Some will likely be saved for museums so expect 100+
It's not entirely clear just how many Sweden's got, but the ballpark figure seems to be 180-200 roughly. Given that Russia is using weapons from the same era, this contribution isn't anything to scoff at.
Old APCs like the PVB 302 and the M113s sent by the United States and other NATO nations although outdated are still extremely useful for casualty evac and transport of soldiers and supplies to the front line
Much better than the M113! Better protected, better mobility and to be honest in every single aspect, i think they will be a great hardware for the UAF. Its a good utilitary vehicle for troop manouver and supplying close to the front the UAF, and actually the PbV can sustain a hit from MG fire or mortar splinters even a KPV at 1000mt will not penetrate the PBV 302 and this baby can carry their own 20mm cannon or a .50 cal. Is a great utilitary vehicle, should have been a sucess for such a great iron. Europe needs to develop a new medium HVC cannon in the 15.3x110mm range calibre using the Hispano suiza 20x110mm cartridge neck down to accept a 15mm projectile, the PBV have a good cannon but Europe needs a better cannon then a .50cal Browning with more then 100 years, even Serbia have one of the best HMG the M87 the inspiration for the Russians produce the Kord 12.7mm HMG
Most people seems to miss the point that there is no manoever warfare in Ukraine, not in the sense that western armies train for. To much static lines and mines for NATO tactics. About the PBV it would do good in a classic panzer warfare.
I doubt all 200 of them will be used, at least a quarter of it is gonna be used as spare parts to keep the others running cause there is no way Sweden still has spares for these ancient boxes
Many of these machines are relatively easy to source parts for (Volvo-Penta (Pbv 302) and Detroit V series (M113) engines) and also easier to work on than some of the later more sophisticated machines.
12:46 Actually, most wars between countries ended with negotiations, not by dying. Noting that, there is nothing truly unavoidable in the deaths here, it's just the unwillingness, not being incapable.
Sort of. they are now fed from 30 round Magazines, not belts. And the ammunition is HE/AP so no need to change ammo between targets (In the old versions an AP round had to be fired from a mag so belts had to be disconnected when fighting armor.) The new ammo is better from another standpoint too. The original guns/ammo combo armed the projectiles less than a meter from the muzzle meaning that if you fired and there was a branch ahead, the round would go off over your own guys heads if you were unlucky.
I think thats a minor problem, I expect Sweden to have tons and tons of ammo since the cold war sitting in storage since they were never(almost) used in combat
As a Swede, this will be nothing more than a taxi (a great one)... It can take a couple of pot shots, but this is not an IFV (2024). and we Ukraine knows that... it will be a here do as you like with it, yes it has a small armor for "pot shots"... it will take 7.62 I think but anything else it will probably fail. So it's more or less... do you want it? Ukraine... yes it's better then a VAZ/LADA for transport.. ok... here you go... Then again it has a 20 mm which can hurt... so why not.. it's a movable 20mm gun/cannon (I do actually not know which)... Gun sure lost of ammo, cannon nope way less... Anyway... Sweden provided Ukraine with AT4, NLAW, RBS-70, CV90, Leopard2, Archer Artillery system, and so on and on... PBV302 is not the best of the best, it's functional... you do what you want with it... give it fuel and it gives you a bit of protection... that is it...
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Well as an older IFV it still will be able to do the job of taking infantry to the frontline. The question is should it remain on the frontline and give support since it is a, though older IFV is more capable than lets say a M113 APC as well as the dutch YPR765. So at least Ukraine will have something to continue the fight with. Its better than nothing. Though to be truthful there will be some losses as said. That is war but I'm sure it will do a better job than most APCs.
All you who critize it for not being an IFV: Ukraine is in a situation where they have to use vehicles like HUSKY TSVs as IFVs, amx-10RCs as MBTs and civilian pickup trucks as if they were APCs. Also take note that it is much better armoured than the M113, it is amphibious and has a 20mm cannon. A truly valuable addition to Ukraine's arsenal.
It is best used only for defensive actions and for ambush tactics .
I assumed it was roughly equivalent to the M113.
and over 200 of them will be delivered, which is huge, the numbers going is enough to make a localized difference, better than a fucking pickup
@@randomguy-z2l There is about 180-200 stored, but it's assumed that it can be delivered about 140 well working vehicles and the rest will be donaters for spare parts.
Better than whatever the British have given them
As former company commander (captain) of mechanized infantry I had 14 PBV 302 under my command. The company was never intented to charge alone against Russian battle tanks (T72 or T80). However, the panzer battalion we where a part of had 36 battle tanks and as combined strike forze we never feared our enemy -- too the contrary. If Ukraine use the PBV 302 in a smart tactic way, it will be an asset against the same enemy. I wish you all the best success in the battle field.
200 armored vehicles that can be put into "non hot" zones to free up more capable vehicles is great. But if a PBV302 would face off against a BMP3 or T-72 it would of course not do so great. But if you have to ride in a PBV302 or a non armored vehicle I think most soldiers would pick the 302.
How often does that actually happen? Tank engagements are rare in Ukraine as well as BMP3. The majority of IFV are BMP 1 & 2. Both can be penetrated with a 20mm from all sides.
Not saying it will outperform anything, but it will also not go under.
Most of their "more capable vehicles" have been destroyed already.
@@AddieHiltonnie .nie większość ale są straty . To wojna pelnoskalowa a pancerz jest po to by personel miał szansę wsiąść do nowego pojazdu po zniszczeniu tego w którym byli ostatnio.. większość nowych pojazdów na Ukrainie pracuje w ciężkich warunkach. Rosyjskie są bardziej podatne na likwidację swojego petsonelu we razie porażenia... Osobiście patrzę jak zachowuje się personel podczas walki. Jak siedzą na zewnątrz pojazdu ,na dachu to pojazd już jest hm muzealny.
@@AddieHiltonpowinneś spojrzeć na ilość używanych pojazdów po obu stronach Ukraina ma mniej opancerzonych od rosji i jej pojazdy ciężej pracują by nadrobić przewagę rosji. Rosja traci bardzo dużo opancerzonych. Wydaje się że właśnie szybciej zabraknie rosji bwp niż czołgów. Straty Rosjanie mają prawie codziennie około 30/40 to znaczy że miesięcznie około tysiąc. A nie wszystkie zmagazynowane pod chmurką nadają się na odnowienie i wprowadzenie do walki.
They would probobly be paired with a Leopard or at least a CV90 or a bradley with ATGM missiles
Also the 302 would protect against pretty much all weapons apart form direct hits from artillery or large caliber guns. Considering that most munition flying around the battle field is either grenade fragments or small caliber bullets.
It's a taxi that doesn't require roads. It can carry 2000kg of supplies. You can't cut a supply line if it's not a line. Destroying a bridge only slows it down. It's amphibious.
i suppose its ok for transport duties and carrying supplies. this is good use for this vehicle
Dont think the version we sent is amphibious anymore, extra spalling armour installed during the Bosnia era.
@@peterandersson1230 We sent the entire inventory. Don't know what percentage was upgraded for the UN mission's.
A resurrection or second chance to die? I say a 20mm autocannon is still a 20mm autocannon.
And a drone is still a drone
no one said that it is under gunded
Not stabilized though.
Every IFV in Ukraine can be destroyed by a drone, so that is not relevant. Both sides still uses BMPs
@@NikolaosKorelis a drone cannot deploy troops.
@@murhapuro86 check the staring comment for context
Perfect for supplies, command/tech, ambulance etc....doesn't have to be making frontline breakthrus to be useful.
It 20mm armor is above Level 3 Nato designation.
As someone who spent some time in the ambulance version of it... it is not a nice ambulance.
But anything is better than soft skin
Old Swedish equipment was built diffrent. There's a reason why it was used for so long. Very reliable, simple to repair often not in need of special parts or fragile electronics.
Sweden took an M113 and used it as blueprint. The goal was to make a vehicle that had better armor and performance than the M113. The PBV302 would prove to have better armor than the M113, better offroad capability and better firepower. Today, Ukraine uses M113s effectively in assaults against Russian trenches. You tell me if the PBV302 is outdated in Ukraine 😊
Also, it was designed to have acceptable protection against the 84mm HEAT rounds of the Carl Gustaf. The Carl Gustaf easily rips apart BMP1s and BMP2s.
In former Yugoslavia, 3 PBV302s survived direct hits from ATGMs, others took hits from RPGs. No dead Swedish soldiers.
But sure... only a battle taxi.
I'm not convinced that use of the M113 for assault in the Russian-Ukrainian war can be descrbed as effective and successful.
@@satanihelvetetdespite numerous videos showing the M113 driving up to Russian positions? We even have video of an M113 following a CV90 up to Russian trenches
I mean, Ukraine uses the M113 to attack positions. The M113 is older than the PBV302. Both Ukraine and Russia uses the BMP1 to attack positions. The BMP1 was introduced the year after the PBV302. Im just saying
The m113 has proved to be ineffective as armoured vehicle that can provide any meaningful cover on the battlefield. Its easily targeted by drones which rip through its thin armour.
@@Silver_Prussian so why does Ukraine keep using it? Because they have a choice?
As a swede i must give my full respect for learning Å Ä Ö. I salute you o7
The amphibious using tracks part seems to be the more interesting feature, and also it sounds more armored than the M113, which already make a difference. It’ll be a good up-armed APC
I have spent more hours in one than most, both in Sweden as well as during two deployments to Bosnia. It does have good mobility and better protection than a landcruiser. The gun is not stabilized but can be used to lay suppressive fire. I would say that as a battletaxi or as a ambulance it would work just fine. It's very reliable as far as maintenance goes and is easy to drive once you get used to the gearbox and that it has a feature when engine breaking that reverses directional inputs from the driver.
What would you choose, riding to the frontline in the open bed of a Toyota Hilux, or inside a Pbv302...? I say they may be old, but if used correctly as battle taxis, ambulances and as transports between the rear and the contact line only, I think they can be a nice asset. Even on today's battlefield...
Any weapon is better than no weapon; Ukraine doesn't have the luxury of choosing what weapons it will fight with, some are even forced to use softskinned vehicles.
And extra armour and a cage could be added.
Any protection is better than no protection and the offroad capability is exellent, Anything is better than going in with a car. We have seen both old and new wehicles on both sides of the current conflict going up in flames in mass.
As long as it protects against light arms fire and shrapnel, and that it has available spare parts, it's a viable military vehicle.
This vehicle can still serve as an APC but definitely not as an IFV.
Noone has ever stated that it will? It's an old school APC. Great for transport.
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Definitely. If the cannon is to be used, it would have to be only in very special situations. Otherwise, it's supposed to bring troops to and from the battlefield in a somewhat safer way.
Listen to the expert.
@@frankbock211 What's so funny? Ukraine requested similar vehicles and they were happy to get these as i understand it.
Hardly any worse than the MT-LB that the russians use that are about the same era APCs.
I was just saying that it is extremely obvious that the Pbv 302 won't be used as "front vehicles" as in fighting anything. Great at transporting troops, with "ok" armour (shrapnel and sub 20mm ammo).
The summer bog and winter snow performance suggests the Pbv 302 might be very useful in rasputitsa conditions.
Classic "don't let perfect be the enemy of good" scenario.
A useful vehicle that carries a weapon and has thick enough armor to survive splinters from artillery that doesn't land too close. Sounds way better than having to walk. Ukraine can also potentially add things like ERA blocks or alternate weapons.
If you add ERA blocks , it might get too heavy to float though
@@matso3856 It was just a s suggested possibility. Good white-boarding exerciise - throw up as many ideas as possible, without discounting any until all ideas presented. Then narrow down the possibilities by selective elimination. The outcome(s) will often be sound possibilities.
Calling it an IFV might be bit of a stretch, in Swedish this is a pansarbandvagn rather then a stridsfordon like the CV90. I guess it stradles the line between apc and ifv with the autocannon and protection from some smaller autocannons sort of makes it just count as an IFV. In Swedish military nomeclature, the pbv302 belongs together with m113 and mtlb club and not with the CV90 though.
The bmp1 in swedish service was also called pansarbandvagn
@@Gustavj0321 I actually thought about the pbv 501. From what little I know, they where supposed to be used for the previously soft skin only infantry brigades where the cv90s where for the mechanized brigades. The pbv501/bmp1 were supposed to be used like battelfiled taxis with focus on the dissmounts and during exercises where they tried to use the pbv501/bmp1 offensively like an IFV it failed pretty bad. So I guess is primarily a doctrinal issue if you call it pansarbandvagn or stridsfordon.
@@meanmanturbo When Sweden got their hands on the BMP’s as part of its purchase of German Leopard 2’s, they issued them to infantry battalions thus upgrading their level of protection and firepower, while the new CV90 mk I went to the armoured battalions.
I drove one when I did my service in sweden 1991. Easy vehicle to manouver and fun.
Each thing at its place, it hard to claim that these will turn the tide but one can say the same for allmost any weapon system. Quantity is a quality in itself..
No, these will make a very small bonus. It's just an armoured personell carrier...not meant for fighting (even if it has the 20mm gun).
quantity is not a quality in itself, a fleet of useless vehicles will end up causing more problems than they fix. however I understand where your coming from ,Ukraine needs vehicles, especially ones similar to this so their gonna take what they can get.
It seems they have about 180-200 of these, so it's a sizeable contribution that could be enough for 4-5 battalions (10 units in each infantry company, 4 infantry companies per battalion), which is the equivalent of a brigade. Mix in a tank company in each battalion, and this could perhaps even be enough for two small brigades.
And let's face it, Russia is fielding weapons and equipment that outdate even the PBV 302. It'll have an impact, for sure, but like with most other weapons donated, it won't be a game-changer.
UA command should distribute these "battle taxies" to their Marine Brigades so as to leverage the vehicles amphibious capabilities which were not mentioned in this analysis.
@@TB-zf7we Although it is amphibious, it is not suitable for the sea, only for crossing a river or lake. Ukraine has BMP-1 and BMP-2 both are amphibious, BTR-4 as well, so does BTR-82 and they have the same cruising speed, they are not used for amphibious operations either, for crossing the river it is good but only out of contact with the enemy, on water is a slow target. Even in the Soviet doctrine for the mechanized army, the amphibious crossing of a water obstacle with a BMP is only out of contact with the enemy and only there when a bridge cannot be built quickly.
@@KorbenDalasCZ Yes I agree, only for Lakes or Rivers, like the Dnipro.
@@TB-zf7we Yes, but there is no need for it in places where they will not be threatened, and in the Cherson region they would have to cross a river that Russia can see and they would be in big danger. They have a bridge in Zaporizhia and it is not under the control of Russia, so it is pointless to use swimming there. Generally, swimming with a combat vehicle or APC is used if you control both banks and there is no bridge available, this situation is not common in Ukraine. Rather smaller rivers in the north where there would be a very short section. This vehicle is more for rear deployment these days. But I am afraid that the Ukrainian army will use them in the front line because they have nothing else, they drive in pickup trucks and MRAPs, and they are also destroyed by drones.
@@KorbenDalasCZ UA Marines have a small bridgehead in the village of Krynki across from Kherson, which is a long way South of the Zaporizhzhia dam/bridge.
The Marines have already been using a few versions of the BV-206 that they received to swim supplies/wounded across and yes there have been loses due to drones.
Good video and I agree of most of the facts and argues. However...
At 4.00 it's said that the cannon has an elevation angle between -10 to +50 degrees. The true fact is that maximum elevetion is 35 degrees.
At 4.04 it's said that the cyclic rate of fire is 500 r/min. Fact says 480 r/min.
At 4.07 it's told about the feeding. That's correct fact for the early version, but in the first upgrading both belt feeding, 10 round box magazines (for de AP round) and the ammunition was abandoned for a new multi purpose (half AP/HE) round fed from 30 r box magazines.
Thanks for your contributions. We took our info from mainly the Jane's. May we ask what is your source? We can use it in our next videos.
@@WeaponDetective You can also take a look at the youtube channel belonging to the Swedish tank museum "Arsenalen". They have vidoes in English too, or at least with Eng subtitles. They made a few videos on the Pbv 302.
It beats walking. And having an armored box is better than no armored box.
I bet the Swedish heater works consistently. I good heater in a tracked vehicle makes winter operations kind of bearable. I used to heat up my MREs in my launchers heater vents, it worked really well.
It is the cutest IFV ever. Only you are questioning the success of UAVs. Good analysis. Thanks.
Nah! It's face reminds me of Roz from Monsters Inc 😂 look how far apart it's headlights are. And that pike nose. There are better pics my friend 😂😅
@@Masterafro999 Beauty lies in the eye of the beholder, my friend. 😁
@@habahan4257 The grasp of such wisdom is a privilege bestowed upon only a discerning few. 🐢🐼
It may look cute but I'm actually kinda bummed he didn't keep any sound of the vehicle in the vid.
It sounds like a beast. Best engine-sound I've ever heard.
Well if you have the option of going to the front in a PBV 302 or a truck...
If it moves it can be used. They even fortify regular cars for transport, so having an already fortified veihicle with 20mm on it is a no-brainer. Sure, its not frontline, but most of the war is logistics.
This video has an easy answer. If the M113 was useful in anyway, then the PBV 302 will be as well.
With the addendum that while being similar, it's better than the M113. Spare parts might an Achilles Heel.
@@martinsmith9054 True, although if alm vehicles are donated and partially used for spare parts they might last long enough. But it's a fair point. Time to start thinking about upping IFV production in Europe
@@DaReaperZ I think the whole spectrum is needed in modern war for different tasks. MRAP's, APC's and IFV's.
@@martinsmith9054 I agree, the PBV 302 will serve its purpose, even if it's outdated and perhaps difficult to repair and maintain.
@@DaReaperZ at this point in the conflict any tracked armored chassis is useful for either side. An anti FPV drone canopy is probably more important than the latest fashionable bling.
Looks like M113 rebuild using BTR50 part 😂
Honestly any kind of armor still much better than walking.
According to another video, in English by a Swedish tank museum, they purchased an M113 to test before settling on the pbv 302.
It would be good for civilian camping needs as an RV.
It has much better protection than the M113
It has better armor than an M113 and is amphibious.
@SuperChodot Iam sure that is better than a motorcycle with a cope cage
According to Oryx, Ukraine has lost almost 400 AFVs, more than 900 IFVs and almost 500 APCs - plenty of these were 1960 - 1970 vintage models. Sweden supplying 180 units will be a welcome sight for the Ukranian armed forces. Their survivability cant be much worse than a M113 or a BMP1. Beggars cant be choosers.
Their numbers are still good compared to the over 16,000 armored vehicles (including over 3,000 mbt) russia lost according to the same source.
@@scepticalwalker3984oryx double counts Russian vehicles losses, miscounts Ukrainian losses for russian, and uses photos that are very hard to tell. They have been caught screwing up things many times. Weeb Union has a good video on it called Oryx Exposed i would send a link but TH-cam deletes links as spam.
@@JeffGordon-ph4vzOryx may still be the best source anyway.
But, didn't they stop?
This list (according to ORYX) only includes confirmed, destroyed vehicles and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available. Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here.
Russia - Total Hardware and Tank losses in Ukraine since 24 february 2022
Total - 16,422, of which destroyed: 11,835, damaged: 745, abandoned: 935, captured: 2,907
Tanks - 3,137, of which destroyed: 2,118, damaged: 157, abandoned: 346, captured: 516
Ukraine - Total Hardware and Tank losses in Ukraine since 24 february 2022
Total - 5,963, of which: destroyed: 4,184, damaged: 507, abandoned: 254, captured: 1,018
Tanks - 846, of which destroyed: 576, damaged: 71, abandoned: 65, captured: 134
To be fair. Modern vehicles like the the BTR82s also die from drones and mines. They will end up the same way. Drive to front shoot a bit drive on mine or get hit by drone and then get abandoned.
The American 113 have done well in Ukraine .The Swedish PBV 302 is from same eara but its more protected than 113 so why not send it to Ukraine
Done well? Ukraine has lost almost 300 confirmed M113/YPR765 out of 850+ delivered
Im shure the Ukraines know that best because its them self that say the 113 done well .They still use them so that crapy they cant be
It's more APC than IFV, but to be fair the entire APC idea was a mistake for the simple reason their mobility COERCES use as an IFV.
Tracked mobility is always useful and people who expect everything with tracks to be an MBT or a Namer are clueless and should be ignored.
Not a bad system which if used wisely should serve well.
Well thats not completly true. Most armies use both APCs and IFVs, depending on unit requiremens.
@@petrsukenik9266 The issue, I believe #oldphart-zc3jz was alluding to is when certaiin militaries attempt to convert APC's, inappropriately into IFV's. A purpose for which they were not originally intended.
And it’s a damn handsome little apc ❤
it may not be the best, but it was very loved in the times it was new
I don't see how this is any worse than a BMP-1, which is being widely used as a frontline IFV by both sides without "disastrous results." If anything, this is better, because it is roomier and more mobile and has an autocannon. I think you use way too much hyperbole and are a bit out of touch with what roles vehicles are actually playing on the battlefield in Ukraine.
These are also more reliable, better protected.
BMP 1 je slabo pancierovaná, zničí ho obyčajná mína na ceste.
At a time when the Russians are using Chinese golf carts and dirt bikes to move their front line troops, these will be another welcomed addition.
Except that we are talking about a small unit that needs to perform a specific task quick, here we talk about providing a thin metal box on tracks to serve as meaningful cover and protection from enemy fire.
@@Silver_Prussianmate, it's not much worse than the BMP2 and other vintage shit Russia uses as standard kit.
@@Red0100 And still Russia is winning with its "shit". How come?
@@Red0100 vintage like the abrams which is over 40 years old or the leopard which is also 40 years old or the f16 that came out in 1978. Or what about the recent new a out the supply of mirage 2000 which is equally old or as you said vintage. The marder for examples made in the 1959 still in service with the bundeswehr. So whos using vintage weapon ?
@@Test4Echos at the amazing rate of two towns per year? By this rate there will be nobody left alive in Russia to see any sort of victory.
I'm impressed with this first video I've seen from this channel.
One concern though - please consider not linking death with glory, ie "glorious death". Even when said in irony, it seems wrong.
Apart from my personal cringe, a very interesting, informative and well presented video.
Thanks!
I mean, anything that looks like a Space Marine Rhino from 40K is cool in my book.
These are way better than any van Ukraine uses in some areas to evacuate people or drive critical supplies around.
If Ukraine accepts them, then I am sure they found a role for them.
They accepted the antiquated M55s tanks, and found a role for them. They took the vastly under armoured Valuk/Pandur 2 and even the M80a BVP. They didn't take them because they are great, but because they had a use for them.
Would it be better if Ukraine has just 1 system for each role, of course. But this is what is available. Some is amazing, some is quite dated.
But Russia has the same problems, with their systmes spanning from WW2 trucks to the latest and greatest Russia can still produce.
Agree with your comment and have supported it. Also, many of these machines are relatively easy to source parts for (Volvo-Penta (Pbv 302) and Detroit V series (M113) engines) and also easier to work on than some of the later more sophisticated machines.
@@Peter-up9yw exactly. The US also kept their Humvees after the JLTVs were adopted. They just gave them less intensive roles.
Slovenia donated their Humvees to Ukraine, because they dont need that many of those support vehicles of that class after JLTVs came.
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Kinda strange to citicise pbv 302 for being outdated when both sides are using tons of vehicles as old and with comparable features on the front lines and have used since the start of the war. Seems to me that its roughly equivalent to bmp-2.
As long as it runs - which can be an issue with old vehicles.
@@mattiasdahlstrom2024 Its basically a tractor, runs well, works hard and is actually quite simple to maintain. I did my military service on this in 2000-2001.
Given that the russian BMPs lacks gun depression would I say that this one is prolly better
Very impressive that you managed to say all the Swedish names in their full glory, *clap clap*.
Small correction1: The cannons used to be belt fed, but this was later changed on all of them to make them cartridge fed.
Small correction2: The PBV 302 is more of an APC than IFV. It was meant to carry troops into battle and then stay to support them with the cannon.
Ukraine will probably make the most use out of these bad-boys as battle taxis and armored ambulances. A vehicle not for the modern front-line, but more for the rear.
As a platoon they were to dismount and fight with firesupport from the Pbv 302 but in cooperation with tanks on attack they were supposed to fight inside the Pbv 302 and fire from the top. And this is how even the CV90 is used, they also have hatches on the top that open so the troops can fire from the inside on attack
Yes, the 20 mm belt feed from it's fighter jet daddy. It is now magazine fed, quicker in a rush, or easier to transport ammo around under fire. This makes it a more adult version of the M113 . Sometimes I wonder if the US will ever run out of the million M2 Brownings 50, or will they just be there in 3034.
Its true, I was a gunner/driver on the PBV3022 in the 90’s. The belt feed mechanism had been removed by then; You had instead 10 30-round magazines made of thick steel, weighing 27 kg fully loaded, which you had to one-arm curl from the floor into the magazine well on your right. That made me realize why the physical strength requirements was higher for the gunner/driver than for the dismounts, even though we where “just sitting in a seat”.
@@tetsu2sweden Thank you for reply, as we need more service people to give their thoughts on the aspects of being there. My service was in 3 -PPCLI , as a cadet from a small town, which was more likely to survive in a post-nuclear war scenario . The TOW was brand new then , and the 3 man team means 6-8 cadets since we really were kids, and TY to uncle Regen , NATO had the tools to effectively burn Soviet armor. The APC of the time for us was the MOWAG- LAV in the 6x6 version, amphibious , with the Cadilac -gage, 1 man turret, 1 Browning .50 cal +a Browning .30 cal. so no wrestling with a 27 Kg (58 lb.)magazine.
I was not an armored troop, but had some play time on the LAV. I learned later all the 6x6 versions went to Africa as defense aid, inc. the 76 mm fire support version....the most heavily armed model at that time.
The PBV3022 would be a better Vagon in all terms, but for speed/stealth as the wheeled LAV was a hot rod with 80 kph. easy on roads.
The stand off armor does not increase its protection against shaped charged anti tank threats, its against projectiles
It's an APC from the mid 60's. It is used for transports...Pretty much all modern AT-weapons will penetrate it. But it's not intended for fighting either. Still 10 times better protection than driving soldiers around in trucks etc.
The crew survived atgm in Bosnia, the PBV 302 have a double hule.
Its not an IFV, more like an upgraded APC. Compared to the M-113, I would say this is better, better armour, mobility and weapons. Its also pretty easy to keep working if you follow the maintenance schedule( have no idea how it compares to the M-113 in this regard). Its not an IFV but maybe it could be used in an assault role if accompanied by proper IFVs.
As for the UAV thing, they will have their place but for every effective weapon comes a countermeasure and Im sure that there will be one in 5 years for UAVs as well, at least when it comes to the kamikaze drones. Armoured vehicles will be fitted with weapons and radars against them in just a few years. Recon drones are another matter as well as the large UAVs with ATGW like the MQ-1/3s
Those names man.....if I wouldn't know the Swedish I I would thought you just performed an insane rap song. I loved the video so much. I'm curious to see their performance in Ukraine
It's much better than a BRDM, it's marginally better than an M113. Ukraine uses both so having a better vehicle than either would be accepted I'd imagine.
All PBV 302 had exhaust extensions long before the C-model was invented. We used it to heat up tin cans (not recommended).
From what I understand, the 302's intended tactic was to charge a position and support the infantry alongside them. Looking at its design, it makes sense that the turret is placed so forward, its position, combined with the frontal angle of the armor, allows it to fire downwards into a trench from relatively up close.
no, almost all Swedish vehicles has good gun depression due to the Swedish terrain, mostly hills that often are covered by forest
With the infantry dismounted the pbv 302 stays behind the group, providing fire support.
When part of an armoured attack, the mounted infantry protects the vehicle through the hatches and provides support to the tanks.
Despite the tanks initial mixed success, its game-changing potential was quickly understood. So too it is for drones today. We are in the experimentation phase, figuring out which tactics and strategies work. However the war in Ukraine turns out, the lessons learned from it will influence warfare for the next 100 years.
This is essential for navigating Ukraine's terrain, especially with the ongoing challenges around bridges and river crossings
Of course they're safe, they're Swedish. I miss my old Volvo...
Rekognoseringspansarbandvagn 😂 thanks for trying to say it out loud.
Yes, that is hard even for a Swede.
Looks like a decent piece of old tech...ahead of its time in its time IMHO. Pity about maintenance issues.
Yes, TY Sweden. These in clumps can be great for ambulance, supply, mail, anything to and from the frontline, but not on it please. Like MT-LB 's need tracks for bad weather, and no roads.
I suspect the Pbv302 will serve in the same role the donated M113s do; transport and medevac between forward positions and the frontlines.
It's not meant to attack anything, just being able to bite back if something attacks it while it's doing transport duty.
In the war we see assaults by Humvees and motorbikes maybe speed is more important in this war. However if you want to move in deep Ukrainian mud a tracked vehicle is the only option.
despite the slightly larger gun this is just an m113 with a swedish accent
a far cry from an ifv
it will serve well as a battle taxi, not a frontline slugger
Which is the whole purpose of an APC.
Obrnená technika je dôležité svojím brnením a to má 302 dobré . Vyzbrojí sa všetkými zbraňami pechoty, vrátane riadených striel
Great contribution,as an ambulance,ammunition supply,and troop transport.Sounds much better than the alluminium m113 that can't stop much incomming,and certainly better than riding a Btr or an Bmp...Everything helps.Thanks to Sweden!
The large internal volume with the top hatches is an asset. How many vertical launched drones could it carry? One side full of drones, the other side full of drone pilots. Drone version of blitzkrieg.
The Sherman was not the best tank in WW2 but there were plenty of them. So it became an advantage for allies.
Definately better than nothing.
The M113's have been useful for the Ukranians and both sides use BMP1's that are almost as old as the PBV's.
I've only seen the PBV's close by when I did my conscriptions service, but I've read that it is much beloved by their crews.
The modern battlefield is not what we thought it would be like as the use of drones has changed everything, like you mentioned.
There are no wonder weapons and no clear winning tactics.
I did my military service in one. It is meant as transport of troops protecting from small arms fire and has 20 mm cannon vs infantry. It has that job to do and does it well. People play to much war thunder.
i think they will be used as APC instead of pickups. they will come to use in winter time. Perfect in snow and mudd..
So you could say that Tunnan lives on as donated parts. For so long.
(Only one Tunnan, of over 600 produced, is still functional, after several years of restauration. 'Gul Rudolf' can occasionally be seen at air shows.)
Does anyone know if the Arsenalen - Swedish Tank Museum (Sveriges försvarsfordonsmuseum) PBV 302 Vehicle number 204442 belong to the same regiment as the PBV 302 shown at 3:54 with vehicle number 204499 ?
It's better then nothing it can move in mud unlike Pick up and vans it's protected against small arms up to 12.7mm on the sides, every vehicle in Ukrain is vulnerable to drones but i rather be in the PBV then a unarmoured vehicle
easy could match and be superior to BTR BMP2 IFv... plus could be usefull as second line all terrain helper. So great add to Ukraine army inventory.
if the pbvs can save some lives geting soldiers from A to B its a win.
will they be any "good" in service? depends on when and where and how they will be used i guess,.
Really interesting vehicle. And in fact the whole family of vehicles
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Just add additional armour and a cage maybe?
It's an excellent APC, not an IFV. It can protect against shrapnel, small arms fire and according to actual combat experience in former Yugoslavia also Russian made RPGs. No modern APC can survive tank gun fire or modern ATGMs. It's not worse than the BMP class vehicles used by both Russia and Ukraine in the ongoing conflict. I assume we will naturally refit the delivered vehicles with spall liners for crew and passenger survival, which is a vital part of armoured vehicles as we have seen, and especially important for Ukraine given its lower population.
I think it will be useful. Not as useful as Bradleys and CV90s by far, but it is far better than no vehicles at all. If for nothing else it can run supplies, act as an ambulance and deliver troops to and from the line of engagement. Also, its good performance in mud means it will be more effective at these roles during the very muddy spring and autumn seasons in Ukraine. Everything in war adds up to produce actual combat power and it's not all about better guns and heavy armour. The Pbv 302 will add to Ukraine's combat power and I'm happy my country is supplying these along with the modern CV90.
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Any sense on how many will be donated?
200 are in storage and the goal was to donate the whole inventory. Some are old UN service vehicles and most if not all have stood in storage for 20+ years. Some will likely be saved for museums so expect 100+
@@aandersson650 Thank you! 100 is a helpful amount
It's not entirely clear just how many Sweden's got, but the ballpark figure seems to be 180-200 roughly. Given that Russia is using weapons from the same era, this contribution isn't anything to scoff at.
Considering the problems with medevac in near-peer battles, I think battlefield taxis and medevac will be it's best role
These can either be turned into scrap metal, or they can have one last use. Which is the better alternative?
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Protects infantry from sharpnel and small arms fire. Nothing more needed.
Old APCs like the PVB 302 and the M113s sent by the United States and other NATO nations although outdated are still extremely useful for casualty evac and transport of soldiers and supplies to the front line
Most certainly better than ruZZian "Scooby Doo vans" and motor-cycles with side-cars.
Much better than the M113! Better protected, better mobility and to be honest in every single aspect, i think they will be a great hardware for the UAF. Its a good utilitary vehicle for troop manouver and supplying close to the front the UAF, and actually the PbV can sustain a hit from MG fire or mortar splinters even a KPV at 1000mt will not penetrate the PBV 302 and this baby can carry their own 20mm cannon or a .50 cal. Is a great utilitary vehicle, should have been a sucess for such a great iron. Europe needs to develop a new medium HVC cannon in the 15.3x110mm range calibre using the Hispano suiza 20x110mm cartridge neck down to accept a 15mm projectile, the PBV have a good cannon but Europe needs a better cannon then a .50cal Browning with more then 100 years, even Serbia have one of the best HMG the M87 the inspiration for the Russians produce the Kord 12.7mm HMG
They look like they would be really solid supply/ammo carriers. They shld be in Warno with W Ger units or in Regiments or maybe Wargame or shld be
Most people seems to miss the point that there is no manoever warfare in Ukraine, not in the sense that western armies train for. To much static lines and mines for NATO tactics. About the PBV it would do good in a classic panzer warfare.
Soldiers are protected from shrapnel and bullets and it is possible to transport goods. It's clear Ucraine can benefit from it.
Where’s the IKV 91 video!?
I would have one in the barn make a good back up vehicle for bug out
I doubt all 200 of them will be used, at least a quarter of it is gonna be used as spare parts to keep the others running cause there is no way Sweden still has spares for these ancient boxes
So you have inside information about this. Please tell us more!
If Sweden were keeping them in reserve I would venture a guess that they also kept spare parts in reserve.
Many of these machines are relatively easy to source parts for (Volvo-Penta (Pbv 302) and Detroit V series (M113) engines) and also easier to work on than some of the later more sophisticated machines.
Honestly the Pbv 302 could probably work pretty well as an armored ambulance or for running supplies, but as a frontline fighting vehicle? Perhaps not
It's still going to provide more mobility and protection than using Honda, so it's a plus.
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where is Carthago
@@johanmetreus1268 In Tunisia.
Are they being armed with the original 20 mm AKAN? (Automatic canon).
Sort of. they are now fed from 30 round Magazines, not belts. And the ammunition is HE/AP so no need to change ammo between targets (In the old versions an AP round had to be fired from a mag so belts had to be disconnected when fighting armor.) The new ammo is better from another standpoint too. The original guns/ammo combo armed the projectiles less than a meter from the muzzle meaning that if you fired and there was a branch ahead, the round would go off over your own guys heads if you were unlucky.
If its better protected and has better offroad ability than a van then it has a place in the fight.
I think the biggest problem would be finding ammo for its autocannon. It is an old caliber that is not produced anymore.
I think thats a minor problem, I expect Sweden to have tons and tons of ammo since the cold war sitting in storage since they were never(almost) used in combat
@@kentnilsson465 I doubt it. Ammo expires and can be decomissioned.
@@nietkees6906 the swedish army still uses the same ammo in the sisu xa-203
@@einar8019 I didn’t know that. Thank you for sharing. That is good news.
The idea is to get from A to B in one piece, not as a frontline combat vehicle.
PBV302 is an APC, not an IFV!
It is possible to mount two machine-guns at the sides operated by the soldiers.
Could be useful against drones.
Well done pronouncing the Swedish vehicle names!!!
It is an APC, not an IFV. Sweden always used it as an APC.
As a Swede, this will be nothing more than a taxi (a great one)... It can take a couple of pot shots, but this is not an IFV (2024). and we Ukraine knows that... it will be a here do as you like with it, yes it has a small armor for "pot shots"... it will take 7.62 I think but anything else it will probably fail.
So it's more or less... do you want it? Ukraine... yes it's better then a VAZ/LADA for transport.. ok... here you go...
Then again it has a 20 mm which can hurt... so why not.. it's a movable 20mm gun/cannon (I do actually not know which)... Gun sure lost of ammo, cannon nope way less...
Anyway... Sweden provided Ukraine with AT4, NLAW, RBS-70, CV90, Leopard2, Archer Artillery system, and so on and on...
PBV302 is not the best of the best, it's functional... you do what you want with it... give it fuel and it gives you a bit of protection... that is it...
It was a wonderful video about the pbv302 infantry armor vehicles designed by Sweden in the last decade 🇸🇪 and recently delivered to Ukraine 🇺🇦. Video clearly explained all characteristics of that weapon and its historical backgrounds...thank you 🙏( weapon detective 🕵️♂️) channel. Thank you for sharing
Some of the footage included in this video is filmed at the swedish tankmuseum "Arsenalen" outside the town of Strängnäs. Arsenalen has a new video up about the PBV 302 th-cam.com/video/EWjvRNk5ifY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=UkrxEVBmrREv6osI