@@dasboot5903 Roman empire never conquere Slavs... they purchase the amber of the slaves.... why they did not took it....? if they could? in the other side Romans conquere the france, spain, and England... why it could be? Rebuild the history fro school .,. concerning many things not only this.
Much of the information in this video is false. Step by step: The chassis is a 100% Polish construction, it does not contain any elements from the K9. There are rumors that the design of the heavy version of the Badger (without the ability to overcome water obstacles) may use some suspension elements from the K9, but this is not certain. Another matter - Borsuk was developed by a consortium of HSW and the private company WB Electronics (WB was largely responsible for the ZSSW-30 turret). Another inaccuracy. Unfortunately, the engine is not a Polish design. Moreover, today there was information that all tests have been completed (successfully) and a report is being prepared. As soon as it is revealed, a contract will be signed for the production of over 1,000 pieces of this weapon. Things that weren't in the video: 1. Resistance to anti-tank mines Borsuk has better than K2 tanks. 2. In field conditions, you can easily change the gun to one with a caliber of 40 mm. 3. If my memory serves me right, the entire IFV was developed for ridiculously little money and the entire work cost ~55 million Euro
Well, you need to be honest here too. It doesn't have any borrowed design from K9, however suspension itself was... heavily inspired by K9 hull. Chassis itself is quite origial however - being welded from HHA steel, which is generally not a common choice due to difficulty of working with this material. No way around it though - armor itself on Borsuk is thin, being like 17-20mm all around. Considering how it was constructed though - it is quite original too. Two HHA plates, internal and external around 10 mm each. Seprated by 40mm foam spacing. And indeed tests are showing that it can stop legacy soviet 30mm APDS, but it degrades fast with repeated impacts. Basically it will stop more than it technically should but only for a few rouds. Engine is not Polish, however powerpack was designed and integrated in Poland. Only thing it changes is that we can modify what engine and transmission goes there quite freely, and there is room for slightly larger powerpack if need be in future. Resistance to mines is also quite interesting solution - a sort of reactive v-shaped plate at bottom, which moves up under pressure from explosives, helping to disperse energy over wider area. Prevents penetration of crew compartment against TM-62 anti-tank mine which currently blows up any Russian vechicle in Ukraine. Generally tanks don't bother with mine protection much and K2 is no exception here, it's not really a point to brag about. 40mm Swap is a manufacturer gimmick, it will never be used. It's not worth it. That 40mm is not a NATO 40mm, but 40mm "Super forty" which generally has less kinetic energy than 30mm, and nobody produces ammunition for it in meaningful quantities. Just something americans tried to sell to make buyer fully dependant on one source of ammunition for little real gain. So best this " capability" is simply forgotten.
The problem is that Poland does not seem to have enough industrial capacity to manufacture those vehicles at scale. It will take too much time to cover Polish Army's demand for those much needed vehicles.
@@panjacek6674 We had a big military industry back in the days actually (manufacturing T-55's, Mi-2's, PT Twardy's, etc. We just didn't really invest in it after fall of USSR because we didn't see any need.
@@panjacek6674 I mean it will take a while. Likely a decade. Declared ability is up to like 60 a year. Which is a lot, but it's still 600 within 10 years. Including specialised platforms, could be that it will take 20 years to fully get rid of BMP-1. So ... there is room for another type of IFV.
Ja,,,amerika auch, deswegen hat seit dem 2.weltkrieg kein einzige Krieg gewonnen....Ja gut es geht nicht darum wer gewinnt ?? Sonder wie viel verdient ...🤔😉😉😉😂
Krab Heavy IFV with the ZSSW-30 remote turret system. but I would not rule out that Borsuk, Krab and K-2PL share some design characteristics as the end gold is all Polish MTU, drivetrain and other system etc as part interchangeability will keep cost down and ease supply statistics, as both Abrams, LP2PL, PT-91 and K-2 will be in service together for short time and that is supply statistics headache in time of war
I do not know why its so suprise for rest of world , during WW II polish troops and eengeniers were modernizing western weapons and planes , those guys took a part in creating even Gemini capsule ,dont let to down project of british planes which was only avaible to counter part for Mesersmidt BF 190 , modernize Spitfire and all bombers were using polish invention - clamps for bombs , what give opurtinity to use Tallboys and bigger . All aliant bombers were using this modern design from polish patent, Mosquito was entirely build in Canada by polish enginers and was the best plane during WW II with the smalest lost rate , made out of polish way and invention of plywood which even before WW II lot of countries use to build planes , while it was innovation during its time ...and more and more which alliants will never want You to know because of guilty feeling how they did left us again alone and sell us to Stalin . One of polish eenginers was unable to left England till 1947 because of top secret job to create radar systems , and radar systems build into planes .....It has hge impact for upgrading alies warfare machines , but history is silent about ...more knowledge avaible at youtube channel of Polish History of Avaiation Musem ......and much more about rest machines which we build , create or upgrade by our engeiners ......
I assume that you have Polish roots. Great respect. If you don't, then great praise to you for conveying the truth so strongly hidden by the Brits and not only by them, depreciating Poland and everything that is Polish!!
@@witstworz4332 ZSSW-30 jest całkowicie polską wieżą, nie myl jej z włoską wieżą od HITFISTA montowanej na rosomakach (nie jest ona taka "świetna", jest mocno przestarzała jak na dzisiejsze standardy a kochani włosi zmuszają nas do płacenia za części do niej trzykrotność tego co płacą inne kraje)
@@UnderTheBanner Chociażby to że niewiele nowoczesnych IFV pływa. Do tego ma dobre SKO i świetną. bezzałogową wieżę. To lekki pojazd. Czego Ci więcej trzeba? Chcesz mieć drugiego Namera? To idź pogadaj z ministrem obrony aby popchnął w tyłek odp. ludzi.
nie, mylisz się, nie powinien wejść do produkcji, bo nie spełnia kryteriów BWP , wyprodukowano pływający gąsienicowy transporter opancerzony, pocisk 30 mm przestrzeliwuje to twoje cacuszko na wylot
After the initial batch they will iron out all teething issues. When those are sorted it will multiply exponentially. If they don't do it like that they will face the same problem as the German Puma. It's production is now halted as last year they lost one, burned out, and damaged 17 others in one live fire exercise. Poland is more practical than the Germans so they have a lot of proven technology from everywhere in the Badger. And the best part is mostly manufactured in Poland so they get most of funds back into their own economy.
Poland has no intention of ever becoming Russian ever. They are now expanding and updating their military at a high pace, as they should, frankly, even now the rest of Europe is lagging behind. Our production rates need to be ramped big time, on every front, equipment, vehicles, ammunition, everything. We've been complacent too long, all relying on the rest, all not producing enough, running into problems, even ammunition shortages for training, i mean, wtf... No Poland is basically at the front line, and we're all seeing what they saw earlier, and we need to catch up fast.
Putin durzo mówi lecz media co innego nam przekazują. Jego nie interesuje wojna z innymi państwami, on chce to co jego by chronić ludność cywilną pochodzenia rosyjskiego mordowaną od dekad przed ukraińskich nacjonalistów.
Anyone with a brain knows russia wouldnt try to conquer poland, putin never mentioned it, but the anti russia propaganda in europe, and specially in poland is insane. Europe will go down with this incrasing push towards war...
I am one of the original engineers, who developed the USA LAV vehicles. The original LAV-1 chassis version was actually subcontracted to a garbage-truck company. However, due to severe welding deficiencies with this company, General Motors decided to bankrupt them for contract failure, and took over the manufacturing itself. These LAVs evolved through many generations, with many different drive systems, different weapons systems (including TOWs, Amramms, 105s, 75s, 40s, 30s and the original 25s). The original hydraulic turret was terrible, so noisy that operators became temporarily deaf. The newer electric turret solved most of these problems, with silent mode, but not all. These LAVs, now Strykers, were always meant to be LIGHT weight, and easily transportable, inside a C130 cargo plane. Their armor is deficient for any cannon above 40, and they cannot survive overhead drone attack from anything above a 2-kilo warhead. All of the additions to the Strykers have made them so heavy, and non-transportable, that they can only be used in low-grade conflicts. The slat-armor alone adds multiple tons of weight. Overhead slats and chain-link add another two+plus tons. Any side armor makes these vehicles so heavy, that the tire systems are failing. You, in Poland, are no repeating all of the development horrors, that we did, during our early development of these wheeled vehicles. Their only benefit is the good reliability of the chassis and motors, but even so, the maintenance is difficult, when the added armor features are emplaced. Poland needs to look at this development history, so it does not fall into a black-hole of bad features.
The floating version has some reserve capacity for greater armoring if it loses the ability to float. However, a heavy IFV based on the K9 chassis, IFV K21 and the ZSSW-30 turret is being designed. Polish budgets are many times smaller than American ones. In the case of EFV to Anders it is 15:1. Unfortunately, when Borsuk was launched, a purely heavy version based on Anders was not implemented in parallel. Hence, the assimilation of Korean K21 is currently being considered. The very good effects of the M2 Bradley IFV on the battlefield in Ukraine confirm the need to have a heavy IFV as well as a lighter floating vehicle. When it comes to ERA armor, PANGOLIN is a development of ERAWA, but the question remains about its use in the case of thinner IFV armor - whether the explosion of the cubes will not kill the crew through flying fragments. Trials are being carried out with plastic tracks. In general, however, Badger is not cheap. APC Rosomak (Patria AMV) has a very good american Mk II Bushmaster chain gun, but the armor is too weak for a wheeled infantry fighting vehicle. The car is high and the soldiers are aware of this limitation. However, it turns out that Rosomak works well in Ukraine.
Borsuk ma ciekawe rozwiązanie odnośnie termowizji, chłodnica silnika jest przed wieżą, od góry chroniona płytą pancerną, powietrze jest zasysane od góry, przechodzi przez chłodnicę i jest wyrzucane do kolektora wydechowego silnika, mieszając się ze spalinami obniżając ich temperaturę
The Korean LAV is essentially a clone of the US version, as far as the turret targeting electronics. We transferred this technology to the Koreans decades ago, and also the design of the US M1 Abrams electronics when we did the KIT-1 tank design for them (Korean Indigenous Tank-1). Both those combat vehicles are as capable as the US versions, as far as targeting, accuracy, and shooting on the move. A good choice for Poland, as long as repair parts can be locally supplied or substituted. The mechanical hardware is fairly easy to replace, but the electronics are almost impossible to repair in the filed. F16s and similar platforms do this in depots, nowhere near any combat zone, usually some other country. Difficult to ship back to Korea, for these. Must have local repair capability.
I'm no expert by any means but maybe Borsuk's weight won't be a problem since we're probably trying to prepare for a local conflict with Russia. Your army on the other hand gets involved in many places overseas so the ability to transport these vehicles with c-130's (love these planes) is a must.
@@Nat_BLSK See above comments, addition for you, about heat signature. This is a major problem with the M1, ridiculous high heat signature, due to turbine (plus high horsepower). We did a covert project where this was addressed, but the cost and complexity of implementing a cooling system for a ground vehicle makes it totally impractical. The design was a total nightmare, and also the "dust control" system did not work at all. Ended up with the dust-collection system spraying dust all over the inside of the vehicle and engines. The theory was that you could lay it back down on the ground, after you passed by. For heat, you can store it in the fuel or chassis, but if you are trying to suck up tons of road dust, that just will not work for a high-speed vehicle. PassItOn.
True. Also, the war we're planning for will be fought in the northeastern quarter of our country which features a lot of lakes (Masuria), marshes (Polesie), a major river (Bug) and a dense forest (Białowieża). There's little urban terrain there, most of it is woodlands with a lot of water.
It is the West, especially the USA and the UK, that are the common enemy of Belarusians, Poles, Russians and Ukrainians, and as long as we do not understand this obvious truth, our nations will be played against each other. The conflict in Ukraine is the final confirmation of the end of the global American hegemony.
Amphibious capabilities of Borsuk are much needed. Unlike in the Western Europe, Polish rivers are crossed by relatively few bridges - there is no bridge every few hundred meters! That's why western experts are so wrong when questioning this design. Armour piercing capabilities of modern infantry weapons makes additional armoring on IFVs useless. It should protect against random bullets, grenades but not pretend to be a safety barrier.
Zachodni eksperci nie mają doświadczenia w wojnie z Rosją. Rosja chcąc nie chcąc, będzie zmuszona do rozpraszania swoich sił, jeśli będzie wiedziała, że w każdej chwili przeciwnik na pływających BWP będzie móg wyjść na tyły ich wojsk, niszcząc wszystko co napotka na swojej drodze. Wojna polsko-rosyjska 1920 roku jest tego przykładem, w sierpniu 1920 roku wojska rosyjskie otrzymały takie kontruderzenie i już nie pozbierały się.
Jego największy plus to bezzałogowa wieża i pływalność, wojska przeciwnika nie mogą skoncentrować sił na jednym kierunku. Borsuk ma też najlepsze na świecie ekranowanie termowizyjne, chłodnica silnika jest zamontowana płasko przed wieżą, przykryta płytą stalową od góry, powietrze jest zasysane od góry i wyrzucane do rury wydechowej silnika, gdzie miesza się ze spalinami, przy okazji je schładzając. Jedną z wad jest wysokość, ale to była konieczność z uwagi na warstwę przeciwminową, dzięki której odporność na miny przeciwpancerne jest najwyższą pośród wszystkich bojowych wozów piechoty na świecie. Podwozie zostało tak zaprojektowane, że bez jego zmiany będzie można dodać 6 ton opancerzenia, ale przestanie pływać. Silnik z tego co pamiętam ma moc 720KM a nie 820KM jak podane na filmie, moc jest wystarczająca choćby ważył 10 ton więcej.
To dodanie 6 ton opancerzenia wiąże się z ogromnym ryzykiem uszkodzenia układu jezdnego w terenie. Tak po drogach to spoko, ale wjedziesz w jakieś kilkumetrowe wzgórza (których jest sporo), albo przy zbyt dużej prędkości w rów przy drodze, to masz stacjonarny bunkier.
Borsuk has a big sense - army in need to cross a river can deploy Borsuks ahead and secure the other side of a river then mobile bridges can be deployed to move tanks and other units. Clever thinking with this amphibious IFV!
@@robertklimczak5630 i believe, it is important to mention, that nato vehicle armor classes are very large (for example vehicle barely stopping 7.62 nato has same class as vehicle almost stopping 30mm), so we don't really know full effectiveness of it's armor
@@tornad8063 armor reinforced for this range. you can change it to a stronger one, only then it won't float. Armor replacement in both sides, field workshop.
It's important to notice that Poland's main concern is defending eastern border from Russia. The weakest spot on that border is what is called a "Suwalki Gap". If you look closer at that spot you can see Masuria, "a land of a thousand lakes" as we call it on Poland. Next line of defence is Vistula river as well as many other rivers in the eastern Poland, that are the only geographical advantages that Poland has.This is why it is so important for Polish IFV's to have amphibious capabilities.
Something is ringing out there somewhere, the Suwałki gap in a straight line is a myth but if you go through the lithuanian forests to Königsberg close to a Polish border, in Vilnius they will be trying to figure out what to do next in +6-8h after invasion unless you see an armoured-mechanised rus div doing 20 km/h through a swamp on T-54 :)
We in Poland are very proud of our defense industry, which is capable of creating of really good and effective weapons systems. Unfortunately there are too many political issues, which often cancel all the hard work of the industry.
Currently, the first 17 models have already been produced. They were forwarded to selected military units so that the army could express its final opinion.
Good document,but loads of wrong info there nothing in common with K9 chasis you guys by making program like this need to have more knowledge!This vehicle have Battlefield Management System made by Polish company WB Electronics called TOPAZ its one of the top shelfs and even Americans were surprised how good it is and it is as well mounted in Polish Howitzer s KRAB ask Ukrainians because they are very happy with TOPAZ.
폴란드에 인도된 K9에도 한국의 전투시스템이 아닌 TOPAZ가 단번에 설치되었습니다, K9의 기술이 일부 사용되었다고 해도 문제될 것은 없습니다. 기술전수는 기본적인 것만 알려주는 게 일반적이기 때문에 이후의 발달은 온전히 폴란드의 기술입니다, 사용이 편하다면 돈주고 배운 능력을 안 쓰는 게 이상하다고 생각합니다. M1탱크나 K2 탱크가 폴란드만의 고유기술이 아니라는 이유로 사용해서는 안된다고 말씀하고 싶은 건 아니겠지요? 내가 갖은 기술보다 낮은 등급의 남의 기술에서도 좋은 점을 발견해서 응용할 수 있는 똑똑한 사람들이 사는 곳이 폴란드라고 생각했는데 그렇지 않다고 말씀하시는 거 같아 슬프네요.
@@박희수-t8d 우리는 무기 제작 계획을 변경하는 전문가입니다. Vikers 탱크를 7 PT 탱크로 변경했을 때 우리가 한 일을 보세요. 원본보다 훨씬 더 좋았습니다. 또한 러시아 T 26은 7 PT보다 나빴습니다.우리는 문이 열려 있을 때 문을 부술 필요가 없다는 것을 알고 있습니다.
I THINK POLAND ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING BY UP ARMOURING AND UPGRADING THIER ARMED FORCES... PUTIN SAID HE WOULDN'T DO WHAT HE'S DONE. BETTER TO BE SAFE THAN VERY VERY SORRY,
You forgot to mention that this turet is now one of the best in the world!O yea you didn't know.And precisely you can compare mayby 2 in the world to ZSSW-30.
idk i cant remember a western ifv NOT using a 30mm machine gun + dual coax slots so what exactly makes that higher caliber bushmaster gun a weapon that is "one of the best in the world"?
@@djneverblock7300 Yes exactly, but its not just the bushmaster its the Tuuuuurrrret what makes this IFV one of the best!Need to better reed.And by the way some IFV are using 25mm guns like Bradley or 40mm which this Polish IFV can be changed any time if is needed.
@@djneverblock7300Not necessarily about the caliber, it's mainly about a great fire control system (comparable to the fire control system in the Leopard 2a5, which is a brilliant achievement for an IFV) and brilliant armor of the unmanned turret, even though it is a light turret, its armor is comparable to foreign heavy unmaned turrets, and, of course, great optics and thermal cameras for which Poles are famous for their production
@@warmianinshoty338 i highly doubt that the fire control systems are comparable to those of ANY tank since they pretty much have different objectives to begin with. leopard 2a5 fcs is focussed on first hit and longer range engagements which are just irrelevant to an ifv since its not operating in comparable distances with its machine gun. additionally german fcs are 100% build around data transfer to a general data center thats used for coordination in "Kampfverband" usage which is a unique german strat thats used since ww1 and which isnt used to this extend by any other army worldwide since considered a "bad strat" by the americans. so still i cant see the relevant advantages this turret gives over any other heavy armed ifv.
@@djneverblock7300hm wieża niedługo będzie wyposażona w SI. . Ty tylko decydujesz czy strzelasz.. daleki dystans czyż nie posiada ppk? Ale już teraz jest wpięty w system ,,topaz" podnosi to świadomość załogi pojazdu. System walki daje wiele informacji załodze w czasie rzeczywistym . Możesz,, pożyczyć od kolegi ppk i po przejęciu jak on wystrzeli, choc nie widzi kolega wroga,trafić tym ppk w pojazd wroga..
There is an urban legend, that Polish military did not want to work with Polish companies so much for some reason, they set up ridiculous requirements that any other model could not meet, and in a twist of fate the Polish companies came up with ideas to meet those "f*** off" demands. I don't remember if this was said about Borsuk as a whole, or only about ZSSW turret (which i believe is used also on wheeled armoured transport vehicles)
Fun fact, the Borsuk has those amfibious abillities because of the bwp. Every time there were talks about armoured vehicles the army said „but can it swim like the bwp”
In my humble opinion, it is a bit too tall and too short. there was enough room to add another 80 cm to the length and thus get interior space for two more soldiers (total would be 8) All in all, a great upgrade of the Polish armed forces for the times to come. Greetings from Croatia!
Nie jest za krótki, długość Borsuka i Pumy jest niemal taka sama. Wydaje się za wysoki z dwóch powodów. 1. Ma wysokie dno przeciwminowe, stąd ma najwyższą ochronę przeciwminową wśród bojowych wozów piechoty. 2, Ma bezzałogową wieżę, niejako przyeczpioną do reszty kadłuba
Well, nothing new sadly. Science projects in medicine can last 5-10 years or even longer...easiely. Decent projects take years, from concept, to project, to polishing, then production, testing, adjusting, waiting for decision, and finally starting production. Military projects in other countries, even USA, also take years :/
It needs a Trophy system that can defeat incoming anti-tank missiles and Kamikaze drones from the sides as well as from above. This should have been one of the lessons from Ukraine. Ditto US vehicles and NATO vehicles. To my knowledge the Trophy-like systems still only protect from side attacks. And I think that Trophy-like systems need to be be able to eventually defeat incoming tank rounds and artillery rounds. It will be expensive, but not as expensive to losing vehicles to drones and artillery rounds that cost only several thousands of dollars.
Taki system na pojedynczym wozie to dobra sprawa. W Polsce opracowano jednak specjalne wozy do zwalczania dronow, które operują razem z Borsukami i niszczą drony.
Mówi się również o niemieckim systemie StrikeShield który będzie się znajdował na bokach i na stropie kadłuba... dlatego że wieża ZSSW-30 w swoim obecnym ,kształcie nie może być zintegrowana z żadnym z najpopularniejszych APS - Trophy i Iron Fist. Choć odpowiednio zaimplementowany system StrikeShield (na przykład na stropach kadłuba, z przodu i z tyłu) chroniąc jednocześnie obie półsfery - może również zwalczać pociski lub drony nadlatujące z góry... to na wieży znajdzie się miejsce na dwie małe zagłuszarki i jakiś dodatkowy, możliwie najmniejszy system przeciwdronowy, jakiś gatling w wersji mini... czy coś podobnego. W obecnej wersji wieża ZSSW-30 nie przyjmie najnowszych i najlepszych systemów od Rafaela i od Elbit Systems. Pozostały niemieckie rozwiązania - StrikeShield (zintegrowany z zakupionymi przez Węgry Lynxami) i i bliźniaczy system ADS gen3. Generalnie, AMAP - ADS to przyszłość aktywnych systemów, podobnie jak Trophy. Trophy i tak są już zintegrowane z K2 i Abramsami. Teraz poczekamy na integrację lekkich, ciężkich BWP i nowych KBWP z odpowiednimi APS-ami które uwzględnią pewne niedogodności związane z designem i kształtem wieży. Na dzisiaj mamy niemieckie systemy z rodziny AMAP - ADS, amerykańskie z rodziny Sentinel - Iron Curtain of firmy Artis i francuskie systemy Diamant które aktualnie kończą fazę ostatecznych testów. S.
@@robertklimczak5630 A widziałeś pancerniki i lotniskowce jakie to wielkie bydlaki! i za 50 lat będą takie jeździć po lądzie, a w polsce jak w lesie, nie! gorzej! polaki dalej będą siedzieć w ciemnogrodzie i narzekać że znowu niemiec ich wyobcował.
Well its not a question anymore if Polish IFV and APC should be able to swim, they both can :D There will be another type of Heavy-IFV that will support Tanks and this one will not swim. It will be something like Israelin Namer - very heavily armored one. Work is under progress (at least 5-10 years, but in that time the Industrie has to build almost 2000 IFV-Borsuk and APC-Rosomak that are so so needed).
Armored forces updates are all well and good, but the key to everything's survival is the Polish air forces. I hope they are putting equally massive efforts into developing effective air dominance forces. If you control the air, you control the ground, in that order.
Great movie about Borsuk and you must do more reserching information about this polish construction i give subscribe on youtube and greetings from Poland.
each year in Kielce City at september are fairls for military equipement... Polish engineers are superb. Capitan Nemo in oryginal was Polish ... Russia diplomacy resist to change that it the book... I wonder why?
Swimming capability means this IFV is relatively light, it gives ability to be deployed in places where more heavy IFV could not be deployed, for example a bit quaggy terrain. Borsuk chassis was not designed based on K9, it is fully original design. Ministry of defense requirement was that front armor should resist armor piercing ammunition from 30mm BMP-2 cannon. This requirement was achieved by placing engine in the front... basically front armor will be penetrated and engine will stop 30mm round... i have no idea why ministry of defense accepted that, this is mobility kill, crew will escape, and vehicle will be out of the fight. How it can be counted as being resistant to 30mm ammunition? Basically, ballistic protection is not sufficient, and everything else is excellent.
The heavy version can stop a 30 mm but you are looking at 45 tons or more dependent on the add on blocks. The light amphibious is barely able to stop a 12,7 mm at most angles of attack. But it will all be sorted for civilians once the design becomes public knowledge.
NATO can into ECM, but these toys are too prrreeeecious to export where ruzzians could capture them. Or are you a racist who will insist that the mujaheedeen in Afghanistan were "too dumb" to try deploying drones against NATO forces, despite having China - the biggest supplier - literally next door?
the military required the badger to swim, so its entire architecture was designed to meet this requirement. Heavy IFV will be redesigned from scratch. the appearance of all western IFVs is similar, a box with wheels. overall, good material, best regards.
As a Pole I can say that this program of developing Borsuk takes too long time and why they aren't huge orders in fabrics? Politics from PO and PIS are killing the polish military, should be convicted of high treason
the engine is not polish - this is Rolls Royce design - its relatively new (so potentially higher risk), but compact and powerful power-pack (engine + transmission). True - Amphibious requirements were and are wide debatable - even in Poland, but this is some of PL military traditional requirements. Its because lot of polish territory is cuted by loads and loads of rivers. As far as I know the protection level is somewhat modular and varies between Stanag 4 (swimming) and Stanag 6 (not capable to swim). Good Video.
pl-01 was just a concept, there was no tank like this ever made. i think they used a cv-90 or something and placed the components to make it look like the future tank. this is somethign that a lot of defence companies do. you can compare it to concept art for games or movies. thats it.
Jeśli chcemy coś dopracowanego, to potrzeba czasu na dopracowanie i poprawienie wszystkiego. Zrobić coś co będzie się psuć co 2 miesiące, a serwis będzie kosztował tyle co zakup nowego BWP'a to nie sztuka. Ludzie cierpliwość Niemiecka Puma do dziś nie jest dopracowana, bo o ile wiem, za szybko zaczęto ją masowo produkować.
Poland is undergoing army modernisation, because most of the older vehicles were compatible with Ukrainian army and wer given ore sold to Ukraine. Thy found there proper use :D Most older polish tanks like PT91 is deep modernisation of Russian T72 and their live time was nearing the end. I think around 360 of them are fighting in Ukraine. The modernisation of (IFV)BWP Borsuk to replace obsolet BWP-1 and BWP-2 was planed since Years. This Vehicle is now ready to go and the change will by only faster. And the rest old BWP-1 will by used in Ukraine ore as parts. Other very important army vehicles like (APC)KTO Rosomak, (SPA) Krab and Transport platform Jelcz is already in his 3 gen. were produced in last 10 years. Update are already in modern Nato kompatible. Also many smaller vehicles were bought in recent Years. Poland still lacks many crucial abilities, and has his neads. Polish naval is producing new Frigates but that program will takes some more Years, Polisch Airforce bought now the F35 but the first will be operational in 2026 and already Polisch F16 need upgrade to new version. The antiair defence is waiting vor next delivery from USA (its a nice mixed USA-Polish system)... production takes 10 yers and we will get the rest firs in 4 years. The best part is that the politics sees now army modernisation ans years long process, and is good to see modern military equipment. I think in around 3-4 years Poland will get his maximal Power peek, where many of this equipment will be operational and ready to use.
Its strange that the Russian based AFV and IFV are all very low profile but the people that are supposed to ride in them actually sit on the top as there are issues with the armour
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Respect for Poland from Argentina...
Respekt for Argentina from Poland 😂😂😂
I heard you have one of biggest polonia on world.
God bless Poland
thx
Poland like a China is comming back on its imperial place where use to be.... its state of the mind even if some deny.
@@oskarwall2611 *Poland ..... was a very strong country ONCE in a history of Europe ..... but Poles NEVER had any imperial kind of thinking !!!!*
@@dasboot5903 Roman empire never conquere Slavs... they purchase the amber of the slaves.... why they did not took it....? if they could? in the other side Romans conquere the france, spain, and England... why it could be? Rebuild the history fro school .,. concerning many things not only this.
@@oskarwall2611 Poland is between two of the ten largest powers in the world, so it has little other choice.
신의 축복이 폴란드에 있기를
항상 한국에 행운이 있기를 바랍니다
Thank You brother!
Thanks! Same to you Brother!
한국은 폴란드의 새로운 형님
@@Shiro_PL 우리와 같은 국가에는 진정한 친구, 폴란드의 사랑이 필요합니다 :)
Much of the information in this video is false. Step by step: The chassis is a 100% Polish construction, it does not contain any elements from the K9. There are rumors that the design of the heavy version of the Badger (without the ability to overcome water obstacles) may use some suspension elements from the K9, but this is not certain. Another matter - Borsuk was developed by a consortium of HSW and the private company WB Electronics (WB was largely responsible for the ZSSW-30 turret). Another inaccuracy. Unfortunately, the engine is not a Polish design. Moreover, today there was information that all tests have been completed (successfully) and a report is being prepared. As soon as it is revealed, a contract will be signed for the production of over 1,000 pieces of this weapon. Things that weren't in the video: 1. Resistance to anti-tank mines Borsuk has better than K2 tanks. 2. In field conditions, you can easily change the gun to one with a caliber of 40 mm. 3. If my memory serves me right, the entire IFV was developed for ridiculously little money and the entire work cost ~55 million Euro
Well, you need to be honest here too. It doesn't have any borrowed design from K9, however suspension itself was... heavily inspired by K9 hull. Chassis itself is quite origial however - being welded from HHA steel, which is generally not a common choice due to difficulty of working with this material. No way around it though - armor itself on Borsuk is thin, being like 17-20mm all around. Considering how it was constructed though - it is quite original too.
Two HHA plates, internal and external around 10 mm each. Seprated by 40mm foam spacing. And indeed tests are showing that it can stop legacy soviet 30mm APDS, but it degrades fast with repeated impacts. Basically it will stop more than it technically should but only for a few rouds.
Engine is not Polish, however powerpack was designed and integrated in Poland. Only thing it changes is that we can modify what engine and transmission goes there quite freely, and there is room for slightly larger powerpack if need be in future.
Resistance to mines is also quite interesting solution - a sort of reactive v-shaped plate at bottom, which moves up under pressure from explosives, helping to disperse energy over wider area. Prevents penetration of crew compartment against TM-62 anti-tank mine which currently blows up any Russian vechicle in Ukraine. Generally tanks don't bother with mine protection much and K2 is no exception here, it's not really a point to brag about.
40mm Swap is a manufacturer gimmick, it will never be used. It's not worth it. That 40mm is not a NATO 40mm, but 40mm "Super forty" which generally has less kinetic energy than 30mm, and nobody produces ammunition for it in meaningful quantities. Just something americans tried to sell to make buyer fully dependant on one source of ammunition for little real gain. So best this " capability" is simply forgotten.
The problem is that Poland does not seem to have enough industrial capacity to manufacture those vehicles at scale. It will take too much time to cover Polish Army's demand for those much needed vehicles.
@@panjacek6674actually we have a lot of old factory buildings we could easily adapt as military factories with enough money
@@panjacek6674 We had a big military industry back in the days actually (manufacturing T-55's, Mi-2's, PT Twardy's, etc. We just didn't really invest in it after fall of USSR because we didn't see any need.
@@panjacek6674 I mean it will take a while. Likely a decade. Declared ability is up to like 60 a year. Which is a lot, but it's still 600 within 10 years. Including specialised platforms, could be that it will take 20 years to fully get rid of BMP-1.
So ... there is room for another type of IFV.
I think that Poland has great scientists and engineers
Unfortunately, for several decades someone was blocking our development work or was taking over (stealing) our projects.
Nope till can fly to space you clowns .
@@Tongue_Twister we were selling them to other countries because lack of money for development.
@@FaronPL I think I'm talking about times a little more distant.
Ja,,,amerika auch, deswegen hat seit dem 2.weltkrieg kein einzige Krieg gewonnen....Ja gut es geht nicht darum wer gewinnt ?? Sonder wie viel verdient ...🤔😉😉😉😂
Borsuk is not based on K9 chasis, Krab is, Borsuk has entirely Polish chasis, this is a mistake.
Krab Heavy IFV with the ZSSW-30 remote turret system.
but I would not rule out that Borsuk, Krab and K-2PL share some design characteristics
as the end gold is all Polish MTU, drivetrain and other system etc as part interchangeability will keep cost down and ease supply statistics, as both Abrams, LP2PL, PT-91 and K-2
will be in service together for short time and that is supply statistics headache in time of war
Come on Poland 🇵🇱 💙 💪
Slava Ukrainie!
Where and for what purpose.?
@@MrLeh81Chwała Polsce!A ty won leszczu
I love Poland 🇵🇱 ❤
me too beacause I am Polish citizen
I do not know why its so suprise for rest of world , during WW II polish troops and eengeniers were modernizing western weapons and planes , those guys took a part in creating even Gemini capsule ,dont let to down project of british planes which was only avaible to counter part for Mesersmidt BF 190 , modernize Spitfire and all bombers were using polish invention - clamps for bombs , what give opurtinity to use Tallboys and bigger . All aliant bombers were using this modern design from polish patent, Mosquito was entirely build in Canada by polish enginers and was the best plane during WW II with the smalest lost rate , made out of polish way and invention of plywood which even before WW II lot of countries use to build planes , while it was innovation during its time ...and more and more which alliants will never want You to know because of guilty feeling how they did left us again alone and sell us to Stalin . One of polish eenginers was unable to left England till 1947 because of top secret job to create radar systems , and radar systems build into planes .....It has hge impact for upgrading alies warfare machines , but history is silent about ...more knowledge avaible at youtube channel of Polish History of Avaiation Musem ......and much more about rest machines which we build , create or upgrade by our engeiners ......
I assume that you have Polish roots. Great respect. If you don't, then great praise to you for conveying the truth so strongly hidden by the Brits and not only by them, depreciating Poland and everything that is Polish!!
사랑스러운 폴란드 화이팅 🇰🇷 🇰🇷
한국은 폴란드의 새로운 형님
Wiele lat badań i prób przyniosło efekty, bardzo dobry wóz, mamy z czego być dumni 👍
Dzięki włochom mamy świetną wieżę za 1/3 co oferowali makaroniarze👍🇵🇱
@@witstworz4332 ZSSW-30 jest całkowicie polską wieżą, nie myl jej z włoską wieżą od HITFISTA montowanej na rosomakach (nie jest ona taka "świetna", jest mocno przestarzała jak na dzisiejsze standardy a kochani włosi zmuszają nas do płacenia za części do niej trzykrotność tego co płacą inne kraje)
@@warmianinshoty338 Jeszcze raz przeczytaj ze zrozumieniem, powyższy komentarz... ;)
A zostanie to pogrzebane przez zapewne łapówy i brak zamówień.
@@piotrekmajkowski5422 Już RU🇷🇺DE🇩🇪 się o to postarają.
Mimo wielu trudności i podkładania świni ZROBILI CACUSZKO
wytłumacz mi w czym jest nowatorski, przełomowy itd. te wszystkie przymiotniki z D24
@@UnderTheBannerJak zwykle znajdą się malkontenci. Jest krok w dobrym kierunku .I tyle .
@@UnderTheBanner Chociażby to że niewiele nowoczesnych IFV pływa. Do tego ma dobre SKO i świetną. bezzałogową wieżę. To lekki pojazd. Czego Ci więcej trzeba? Chcesz mieć drugiego Namera? To idź pogadaj z ministrem obrony aby popchnął w tyłek odp. ludzi.
nie, mylisz się, nie powinien wejść do produkcji, bo nie spełnia kryteriów BWP , wyprodukowano pływający gąsienicowy transporter opancerzony, pocisk 30 mm przestrzeliwuje to twoje cacuszko na wylot
@@henrykstarzynski5117 co za bzdura, wojsko założyło pływający BWP, gdzie nie nie spełnia założeń wojskowych?
WOW looking verry nice, respect to Poland :)
thx
Now this badger needs to multiply ASAP!
The f*cking season is close. I heard those idiots took some finnish islands.
W tym roku będzie zamówienie ,pierwsza partia 58 sztuk na rozruszanie linii produkcyjnej.
After the initial batch they will iron out all teething issues. When those are sorted it will multiply exponentially. If they don't do it like that they will face the same problem as the German Puma. It's production is now halted as last year they lost one, burned out, and damaged 17 others in one live fire exercise.
Poland is more practical than the Germans so they have a lot of proven technology from everywhere in the Badger. And the best part is mostly manufactured in Poland so they get most of funds back into their own economy.
So, we can give it FREE to the NAZIZ in ukraine???😢😢😢
Poland has no intention of ever becoming Russian ever.
They are now expanding and updating their military at a high pace, as they should, frankly, even now the rest of Europe is lagging behind.
Our production rates need to be ramped big time, on every front, equipment, vehicles, ammunition, everything.
We've been complacent too long, all relying on the rest, all not producing enough, running into problems, even ammunition shortages for training, i mean, wtf...
No Poland is basically at the front line, and we're all seeing what they saw earlier, and we need to catch up fast.
Putin durzo mówi lecz media co innego nam przekazują. Jego nie interesuje wojna z innymi państwami, on chce to co jego by chronić ludność cywilną pochodzenia rosyjskiego mordowaną od dekad przed ukraińskich nacjonalistów.
😂😂😂😂wszystko zabiera upadlina .😡
Anyone with a brain knows russia wouldnt try to conquer poland, putin never mentioned it, but the anti russia propaganda in europe, and specially in poland is insane. Europe will go down with this incrasing push towards war...
I am one of the original engineers, who developed the USA LAV vehicles. The original LAV-1 chassis version was actually subcontracted to a garbage-truck company. However, due to severe welding deficiencies with this company, General Motors decided to bankrupt them for contract failure, and took over the manufacturing itself. These LAVs evolved through many generations, with many different drive systems, different weapons systems (including TOWs, Amramms, 105s, 75s, 40s, 30s and the original 25s). The original hydraulic turret was terrible, so noisy that operators became temporarily deaf. The newer electric turret solved most of these problems, with silent mode, but not all. These LAVs, now Strykers, were always meant to be LIGHT weight, and easily transportable, inside a C130 cargo plane. Their armor is deficient for any cannon above 40, and they cannot survive overhead drone attack from anything above a 2-kilo warhead. All of the additions to the Strykers have made them so heavy, and non-transportable, that they can only be used in low-grade conflicts. The slat-armor alone adds multiple tons of weight. Overhead slats and chain-link add another two+plus tons. Any side armor makes these vehicles so heavy, that the tire systems are failing. You, in Poland, are no repeating all of the development horrors, that we did, during our early development of these wheeled vehicles. Their only benefit is the good reliability of the chassis and motors, but even so, the maintenance is difficult, when the added armor features are emplaced. Poland needs to look at this development history, so it does not fall into a black-hole of bad features.
The floating version has some reserve capacity for greater armoring if it loses the ability to float. However, a heavy IFV based on the K9 chassis, IFV K21 and the ZSSW-30 turret is being designed. Polish budgets are many times smaller than American ones. In the case of EFV to Anders it is 15:1. Unfortunately, when Borsuk was launched, a purely heavy version based on Anders was not implemented in parallel. Hence, the assimilation of Korean K21 is currently being considered. The very good effects of the M2 Bradley IFV on the battlefield in Ukraine confirm the need to have a heavy IFV as well as a lighter floating vehicle. When it comes to ERA armor, PANGOLIN is a development of ERAWA, but the question remains about its use in the case of thinner IFV armor - whether the explosion of the cubes will not kill the crew through flying fragments. Trials are being carried out with plastic tracks. In general, however, Badger is not cheap. APC Rosomak (Patria AMV) has a very good american Mk II Bushmaster chain gun, but the armor is too weak for a wheeled infantry fighting vehicle. The car is high and the soldiers are aware of this limitation. However, it turns out that Rosomak works well in Ukraine.
Borsuk ma ciekawe rozwiązanie odnośnie termowizji, chłodnica silnika jest przed wieżą, od góry chroniona płytą pancerną, powietrze jest zasysane od góry, przechodzi przez chłodnicę i jest wyrzucane do kolektora wydechowego silnika, mieszając się ze spalinami obniżając ich temperaturę
The Korean LAV is essentially a clone of the US version, as far as the turret targeting electronics. We transferred this technology to the Koreans decades ago, and also the design of the US M1 Abrams electronics when we did the KIT-1 tank design for them (Korean Indigenous Tank-1). Both those combat vehicles are as capable as the US versions, as far as targeting, accuracy, and shooting on the move. A good choice for Poland, as long as repair parts can be locally supplied or substituted. The mechanical hardware is fairly easy to replace, but the electronics are almost impossible to repair in the filed. F16s and similar platforms do this in depots, nowhere near any combat zone, usually some other country. Difficult to ship back to Korea, for these. Must have local repair capability.
I'm no expert by any means but maybe Borsuk's weight won't be a problem since we're probably trying to prepare for a local conflict with Russia. Your army on the other hand gets involved in many places overseas so the ability to transport these vehicles with c-130's (love these planes) is a must.
@@Nat_BLSK See above comments, addition for you, about heat signature. This is a major problem with the M1, ridiculous high heat signature, due to turbine (plus high horsepower). We did a covert project where this was addressed, but the cost and complexity of implementing a cooling system for a ground vehicle makes it totally impractical. The design was a total nightmare, and also the "dust control" system did not work at all. Ended up with the dust-collection system spraying dust all over the inside of the vehicle and engines. The theory was that you could lay it back down on the ground, after you passed by. For heat, you can store it in the fuel or chassis, but if you are trying to suck up tons of road dust, that just will not work for a high-speed vehicle. PassItOn.
Considering that biggest terrain obstacle in Poland is rivers, lakes and marshes ablity to swim is quite handy.
It is must have, this also was one of the reasons why anders was trashed.
Definitely agree
True. Also, the war we're planning for will be fought in the northeastern quarter of our country which features a lot of lakes (Masuria), marshes (Polesie), a major river (Bug) and a dense forest (Białowieża).
There's little urban terrain there, most of it is woodlands with a lot of water.
Poles know what Putin is capable of.
It is the West, especially the USA and the UK, that are the common enemy of Belarusians, Poles, Russians and Ukrainians, and as long as we do not understand this obvious truth, our nations will be played against each other. The conflict in Ukraine is the final confirmation of the end of the global American hegemony.
A do czego jest zdolny?! Uważam, że nie Putina powinniśmy się bać.
Amphibious capabilities of Borsuk are much needed. Unlike in the Western Europe, Polish rivers are crossed by relatively few bridges - there is no bridge every few hundred meters! That's why western experts are so wrong when questioning this design. Armour piercing capabilities of modern infantry weapons makes additional armoring on IFVs useless. It should protect against random bullets, grenades but not pretend to be a safety barrier.
Zachodni eksperci nie mają doświadczenia w wojnie z Rosją.
Rosja chcąc nie chcąc, będzie zmuszona do rozpraszania swoich sił, jeśli będzie wiedziała, że w każdej chwili przeciwnik na pływających BWP będzie móg wyjść na tyły ich wojsk, niszcząc wszystko co napotka na swojej drodze. Wojna polsko-rosyjska 1920 roku jest tego przykładem, w sierpniu 1920 roku wojska rosyjskie otrzymały takie kontruderzenie i już nie pozbierały się.
Jego największy plus to bezzałogowa wieża i pływalność, wojska przeciwnika nie mogą skoncentrować sił na jednym kierunku.
Borsuk ma też najlepsze na świecie ekranowanie termowizyjne, chłodnica silnika jest zamontowana płasko przed wieżą, przykryta płytą stalową od góry, powietrze jest zasysane od góry i wyrzucane do rury wydechowej silnika, gdzie miesza się ze spalinami, przy okazji je schładzając.
Jedną z wad jest wysokość, ale to była konieczność z uwagi na warstwę przeciwminową, dzięki której odporność na miny przeciwpancerne jest najwyższą pośród wszystkich bojowych wozów piechoty na świecie.
Podwozie zostało tak zaprojektowane, że bez jego zmiany będzie można dodać 6 ton opancerzenia, ale przestanie pływać.
Silnik z tego co pamiętam ma moc 720KM a nie 820KM jak podane na filmie, moc jest wystarczająca choćby ważył 10 ton więcej.
To dodanie 6 ton opancerzenia wiąże się z ogromnym ryzykiem uszkodzenia układu jezdnego w terenie.
Tak po drogach to spoko, ale wjedziesz w jakieś kilkumetrowe wzgórza (których jest sporo), albo przy zbyt dużej prędkości w rów przy drodze, to masz stacjonarny bunkier.
@@SkywalkerWroc Nic nie uszkodzi, bo te dodatkowe 6 ton zapasu zostało uwzględnione przy jego projektowaniu
Borsuk pięknie się reprezentuje👍brawo Polska💪🇵🇱💪💪💪💪💪
Borsuk has a big sense - army in need to cross a river can deploy Borsuks ahead and secure the other side of a river then mobile bridges can be deployed to move tanks and other units. Clever thinking with this amphibious IFV!
Wytrzymuje z przodu pociski 30mm.
@@robertklimczak5630 This is enough. This has to with stand infantry fire in the beginning of formation's River crossing.
@@robertklimczak5630 i believe, it is important to mention, that nato vehicle armor classes are very large (for example vehicle barely stopping 7.62 nato has same class as vehicle almost stopping 30mm), so we don't really know full effectiveness of it's armor
@@tornad8063 armor reinforced for this range. you can change it to a stronger one, only then it won't float. Armor replacement in both sides, field workshop.
@@robertklimczak5630 i know that. :)
It's important to notice that Poland's main concern is defending eastern border from Russia. The weakest spot on that border is what is called a "Suwalki Gap". If you look closer at that spot you can see Masuria, "a land of a thousand lakes" as we call it on Poland. Next line of defence is Vistula river as well as many other rivers in the eastern Poland, that are the only geographical advantages that Poland has.This is why it is so important for Polish IFV's to have amphibious capabilities.
Something is ringing out there somewhere, the Suwałki gap in a straight line is a myth
but if you go through the lithuanian forests to Königsberg close to a Polish border, in Vilnius they will be trying to figure out what to do next in +6-8h after invasion unless you see an armoured-mechanised rus div doing 20 km/h through a swamp on T-54 :)
Looks absolutely BAD ASS!!!
uwielbiam te huta stałoła łola
Huta stalowa Wola ;-)
@@mosiek431 Nie zrozumiałeś.
@@mosiek431no shit Sherlock
Albo Łrokloł 😅
We in Poland are very proud of our defense industry, which is capable of creating of really good and effective weapons systems. Unfortunately there are too many political issues, which often cancel all the hard work of the industry.
kolejny mitoman
@@ArnoldBoss-v7pLepszy taki, niż powyższy malkontent.
The Polish have been invaded by the Russians, so many times, they don't want them there, Poland is a dynamic country with a lot of I. T smarts.
Currently, the first 17 models have already been produced. They were forwarded to selected military units so that the army could express its final opinion.
1:10 Clarification. BMP-1s were never produced in Poland, however they were produced in Czechoslovakia and that's where some of them are from.
Good document,but loads of wrong info there nothing in common with K9 chasis you guys by making program like this need to have more knowledge!This vehicle have Battlefield Management System made by Polish company WB Electronics called TOPAZ its one of the top shelfs and even Americans were surprised how good it is and it is as well mounted in Polish Howitzer s KRAB ask Ukrainians because they are very happy with TOPAZ.
폴란드에 인도된 K9에도 한국의 전투시스템이 아닌 TOPAZ가 단번에 설치되었습니다, K9의 기술이 일부 사용되었다고 해도 문제될 것은 없습니다.
기술전수는 기본적인 것만 알려주는 게 일반적이기 때문에 이후의 발달은 온전히 폴란드의 기술입니다, 사용이 편하다면 돈주고 배운 능력을 안 쓰는 게 이상하다고 생각합니다.
M1탱크나 K2 탱크가 폴란드만의 고유기술이 아니라는 이유로 사용해서는 안된다고 말씀하고 싶은 건 아니겠지요?
내가 갖은 기술보다 낮은 등급의 남의 기술에서도 좋은 점을 발견해서 응용할 수 있는 똑똑한 사람들이 사는 곳이 폴란드라고 생각했는데 그렇지 않다고 말씀하시는 거 같아 슬프네요.
@@박희수-t8d Korean technology is very good, we are needed this. Thanks Korea!
@@박희수-t8d 우리는 무기 제작 계획을 변경하는 전문가입니다. Vikers 탱크를 7 PT 탱크로 변경했을 때 우리가 한 일을 보세요. 원본보다 훨씬 더 좋았습니다. 또한 러시아 T 26은 7 PT보다 나빴습니다.우리는 문이 열려 있을 때 문을 부술 필요가 없다는 것을 알고 있습니다.
I hope that they will also produce non-floating but better armored vehicles, such as the Bradley...
Go Borsuk ❤
Bore suck
I appreciate the fact that you've put both Metric and Imperial systems. Good work, keep it up.
I THINK POLAND ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING BY UP ARMOURING AND UPGRADING THIER ARMED FORCES...
PUTIN SAID HE WOULDN'T DO WHAT HE'S DONE.
BETTER TO BE SAFE THAN VERY VERY SORRY,
That's our state of mind right now.
Co takiego Putin zrobił , a miał nie zrobić ? Przypomnij bo nie pamiętam.
@@piotr5338 zarzekal sie ze nie zaatakuje ukrainy. Wiem ze pamiec ludzi jest krotka i wybiorcza ale pewne rzeczy wypada pamietac
@@piotr5338 Przypomnij sobie co Rosja obiecała Ukrainie jak oni się pozbędą broni atomowej.
@@galyQ nie pozbędą a im oddadzą. chyba. Nwm mnie chyba na świecie wtedy nie było
Borsuk is not based on a K9 chassis
You forgot to mention that this turet is now one of the best in the world!O yea you didn't know.And precisely you can compare mayby 2 in the world to ZSSW-30.
idk i cant remember a western ifv NOT using a 30mm machine gun + dual coax slots so what exactly makes that higher caliber bushmaster gun a weapon that is "one of the best in the world"?
@@djneverblock7300 Yes exactly, but its not just the bushmaster its the Tuuuuurrrret what makes this IFV one of the best!Need to better reed.And by the way some IFV are using 25mm guns like Bradley or 40mm which this Polish IFV can be changed any time if is needed.
@@djneverblock7300Not necessarily about the caliber, it's mainly about a great fire control system (comparable to the fire control system in the Leopard 2a5, which is a brilliant achievement for an IFV) and brilliant armor of the unmanned turret, even though it is a light turret, its armor is comparable to foreign heavy unmaned turrets, and, of course, great optics and thermal cameras for which Poles are famous for their production
@@warmianinshoty338 i highly doubt that the fire control systems are comparable to those of ANY tank since they pretty much have different objectives to begin with. leopard 2a5 fcs is focussed on first hit and longer range engagements which are just irrelevant to an ifv since its not operating in comparable distances with its machine gun. additionally german fcs are 100% build around data transfer to a general data center thats used for coordination in "Kampfverband" usage which is a unique german strat thats used since ww1 and which isnt used to this extend by any other army worldwide since considered a "bad strat" by the americans. so still i cant see the relevant advantages this turret gives over any other heavy armed ifv.
@@djneverblock7300hm wieża niedługo będzie wyposażona w SI. . Ty tylko decydujesz czy strzelasz.. daleki dystans czyż nie posiada ppk? Ale już teraz jest wpięty w system ,,topaz" podnosi to świadomość załogi pojazdu. System walki daje wiele informacji załodze w czasie rzeczywistym . Możesz,, pożyczyć od kolegi ppk i po przejęciu jak on wystrzeli, choc nie widzi kolega wroga,trafić tym ppk w pojazd wroga..
There is an urban legend, that Polish military did not want to work with Polish companies so much for some reason, they set up ridiculous requirements that any other model could not meet, and in a twist of fate the Polish companies came up with ideas to meet those "f*** off" demands. I don't remember if this was said about Borsuk as a whole, or only about ZSSW turret (which i believe is used also on wheeled armoured transport vehicles)
Philippines LOVES POLAND.. We really do.
Fun fact, the Borsuk has those amfibious abillities because of the bwp.
Every time there were talks about armoured vehicles the army said „but can it swim like the bwp”
Its dope that heavy unit like that can swim … ⭐️🇵🇱⭐️
We do need amphibious wariant, there are a lot of rivers and lakes in Poland.
In my humble opinion, it is a bit too tall and too short. there was enough room to add another 80 cm to the length and thus get interior space for two more soldiers (total would be 8) All in all, a great upgrade of the Polish armed forces for the times to come. Greetings from Croatia!
Nie jest za krótki, długość Borsuka i Pumy jest niemal taka sama. Wydaje się za wysoki z dwóch powodów. 1. Ma wysokie dno przeciwminowe, stąd ma najwyższą ochronę przeciwminową wśród bojowych wozów piechoty. 2, Ma bezzałogową wieżę, niejako przyeczpioną do reszty kadłuba
Its not higher than counterparts, and turret is not manned
One bad change from BWP to Borsuk - you can no longer craft wine in the additional fuel tank on the rear door of the infantry...
chasis isn''t based on K9
POLSKA GÓRĄ!
Fun Fact, This Borsuk project exists over 8 years bruh (im polish and my dad is tank engineer0
Well, nothing new sadly. Science projects in medicine can last 5-10 years or even longer...easiely. Decent projects take years, from concept, to project, to polishing, then production, testing, adjusting, waiting for decision, and finally starting production. Military projects in other countries, even USA, also take years :/
This is one nice "metal box"
the tower is also of Polish production, it is called ZSSW 30
Poland 🎉
It needs a Trophy system that can defeat incoming anti-tank missiles and Kamikaze drones from the sides as well as from above. This should have been one of the lessons from Ukraine.
Ditto US vehicles and NATO vehicles.
To my knowledge the Trophy-like systems still only protect from side attacks.
And I think that Trophy-like systems need to be be able to eventually defeat incoming tank rounds and artillery rounds. It will be expensive, but not as expensive to losing vehicles to drones and artillery rounds that cost only several thousands of dollars.
Taki system na pojedynczym wozie to dobra sprawa. W Polsce opracowano jednak specjalne wozy do zwalczania dronow, które operują razem z Borsukami i niszczą drony.
Mówi się również o niemieckim systemie StrikeShield który będzie się znajdował na bokach i na stropie kadłuba... dlatego że wieża ZSSW-30 w swoim obecnym ,kształcie nie może być zintegrowana z żadnym z najpopularniejszych APS - Trophy i Iron Fist. Choć odpowiednio zaimplementowany system StrikeShield (na przykład na stropach kadłuba, z przodu i z tyłu) chroniąc jednocześnie obie półsfery - może również zwalczać pociski lub drony nadlatujące z góry... to na wieży znajdzie się miejsce na dwie małe zagłuszarki i jakiś dodatkowy, możliwie najmniejszy system przeciwdronowy, jakiś gatling w wersji mini... czy coś podobnego. W obecnej wersji wieża ZSSW-30 nie przyjmie najnowszych i najlepszych systemów od Rafaela i od Elbit Systems. Pozostały niemieckie rozwiązania - StrikeShield (zintegrowany z zakupionymi przez Węgry Lynxami) i i bliźniaczy system ADS gen3. Generalnie, AMAP - ADS to przyszłość aktywnych systemów, podobnie jak Trophy. Trophy i tak są już zintegrowane z K2 i Abramsami. Teraz poczekamy na integrację lekkich, ciężkich BWP i nowych KBWP z odpowiednimi APS-ami które uwzględnią pewne niedogodności związane z designem i kształtem wieży. Na dzisiaj mamy niemieckie systemy z rodziny AMAP - ADS, amerykańskie z rodziny Sentinel - Iron Curtain of firmy Artis i francuskie systemy Diamant które aktualnie kończą fazę ostatecznych testów. S.
In the few pictures you can see Tank Leopard 2 and Borsuk Combat Infantry Vehicle is huge.
Wygoda i plywalnosc. Dlatego duży. Widziałeś morskie transportery piechoty? To dopiero hm maleństwa.
@@robertklimczak5630 A widziałeś pancerniki i lotniskowce jakie to wielkie bydlaki! i za 50 lat będą takie jeździć po lądzie, a w polsce jak w lesie, nie! gorzej! polaki dalej będą siedzieć w ciemnogrodzie i narzekać że znowu niemiec ich wyobcował.
Well its not a question anymore if Polish IFV and APC should be able to swim, they both can :D There will be another type of Heavy-IFV that will support Tanks and this one will not swim. It will be something like Israelin Namer - very heavily armored one. Work is under progress (at least 5-10 years, but in that time the Industrie has to build almost 2000 IFV-Borsuk and APC-Rosomak that are so so needed).
Armored forces updates are all well and good, but the key to everything's survival is the Polish air forces. I hope they are putting equally massive efforts into developing effective air dominance forces. If you control the air, you control the ground, in that order.
Borsuk is an "additional" replacement, and not a full stop replacement.
Right now, BMP is being replaced by KTO Rosomak.
It looks like that cannon can tear some things up.
*Eight* 81mm smoke mortars "in two banks of six"?
Something must have gotten lost in translation... Because 8 is not two times 6 in my book.
Huta Stalowa Wola where Borsuk was built translates as Steel Will Forge, a forge that is made of (or with) will as strong as steel..
That's a good badger
Great movie about Borsuk and you must do more reserching information about this polish construction i give subscribe on youtube and greetings from Poland.
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If the World had even heard of it.
each year in Kielce City at september are fairls for military equipement... Polish engineers are superb. Capitan Nemo in oryginal was Polish ... Russia diplomacy resist to change that it the book... I wonder why?
are you sure about that Verne's capitain Nemo was Pole?
@@rapper3d1b I am preety sure about it... it wi!l be hard to find that info for you.... try your self.
Imagine if they would name it Bober
Bober 500 MM
Świstak
Yo we already have bober otherwise known as kleszcz 😂
Swimming capability means this IFV is relatively light, it gives ability to be deployed in places where more heavy IFV could not be deployed, for example a bit quaggy terrain.
Borsuk chassis was not designed based on K9, it is fully original design.
Ministry of defense requirement was that front armor should resist armor piercing ammunition from 30mm BMP-2 cannon. This requirement was achieved by placing engine in the front... basically front armor will be penetrated and engine will stop 30mm round... i have no idea why ministry of defense accepted that, this is mobility kill, crew will escape, and vehicle will be out of the fight.
How it can be counted as being resistant to 30mm ammunition?
Basically, ballistic protection is not sufficient, and everything else is excellent.
Jest lepsza od kilku innych BWP bez możliwości pływania. Jak chociażby od CV90. Poza tym ma pancerz modułowy i można go wzmocnić kosztem pływalności.
@@tomaszsieczka9589
I tak przedni pancerz jest za cienki.
@@_DarkEmperor Pogadaj o tym z Piotrem Zbiesem.
looks badass
Badass? Dupa borsuka.
Thx for the good News.
The heavy version can stop a 30 mm but you are looking at 45 tons or more dependent on the add on blocks. The light amphibious is barely able to stop a 12,7 mm at most angles of attack. But it will all be sorted for civilians once the design becomes public knowledge.
We need Poland tech tree to war Thunder
It supposed to be called "Bóbr". To waste such a fantastic meme potential is just unforgivable 😂
the two-axle reconnaissance vehicle is called a beaver."Bóbr"
BOBER
@@stepujacybudowlaniec gryzie?
excellent
You are wrong. Borsuk has nothing to do with K9 accept same type of suspension.
I think if we can change this to electric vehicle then it will be perfect to drive every day to grocery store for shopping.
Polskie to najlepsze
Looks promising. The occupants' protection level concerns me a little. Active service will tell.
Where is the anti-drone defense system? It's essential today.
NATO can into ECM, but these toys are too prrreeeecious to export where ruzzians could capture them. Or are you a racist who will insist that the mujaheedeen in Afghanistan were "too dumb" to try deploying drones against NATO forces, despite having China - the biggest supplier - literally next door?
the military required the badger to swim, so its entire architecture was designed to meet this requirement. Heavy IFV will be redesigned from scratch. the appearance of all western IFVs is similar, a box with wheels. overall, good material, best regards.
Gaijin: Hello.
*OMG I am so SHOCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*
there is wolverine, here is badger... I wonder how racoon would look like? ;]
like yr mum
Coś się wymyśli😂
이성과 과학이 폴란드에 내리기를
한국은 폴란드의 새로운 형님
@@Shiro_PL 국가간의 관계에 높고 낮음이란 존재하지 않습니다. 인간들이 서로를 존중하고 배려하는 세상을 바랍니다.
Dziękuję i jestem wzruszony takimi życzeniami. Rozum i naukę Korea ma, bardzo dużo. Życzę szczęścia.
My grandparents live nearby Huta Stalowa Wola (im from Poland)
100% Poland technology.
As a Pole I can say that this program of developing Borsuk takes too long time and why they aren't huge orders in fabrics? Politics from PO and PIS are killing the polish military, should be convicted of high treason
the engine is not polish - this is Rolls Royce design - its relatively new (so potentially higher risk), but compact and powerful power-pack (engine + transmission). True - Amphibious requirements were and are wide debatable - even in Poland, but this is some of PL military traditional requirements. Its because lot of polish territory is cuted by loads and loads of rivers. As far as I know the protection level is somewhat modular and varies between Stanag 4 (swimming) and Stanag 6 (not capable to swim). Good Video.
Great for defending against Teutonic Knights!
Imagine 10 badgers in medieval times
@@Tyka_11 will be more then enough 😂
The name of the manufacturer is HSW. Don't try to say the full name... pls... It will break your mouth and hurt our ears :D
Borsuk은 한국어로 jewellery 를 뜻하는 것처럼 들립니다.😅
5:10 you said that it has 8 smoke dispenser/lunchers but then you said quote "...in 2 banks of 6 dischargers each..." end quote. 6+6= 12 so yeah
It didn't work with the PL-01 tank, maybe it will work with the Borsuk
pl-01 was just a concept, there was no tank like this ever made. i think they used a cv-90 or something and placed the components to make it look like the future tank. this is somethign that a lot of defence companies do. you can compare it to concept art for games or movies. thats it.
It didn't work with X-wings and AT-ST Walkers. They were in a similar phase of development.
Most information suggests that the author has no idea about this structure.
Polska czeka na Borsuka już kilka lat
Już ukończono badania kwalifikacyjne 😁 wkrótce rusza produkcja 💪
@@Owieczkinrobią wstepna serie małoseryjna 18 sztuk. By ustawić maszyny na produkcję wielosesyjną.
Jeśli chcemy coś dopracowanego, to potrzeba czasu na dopracowanie i poprawienie wszystkiego. Zrobić coś co będzie się psuć co 2 miesiące, a serwis będzie kosztował tyle co zakup nowego BWP'a to nie sztuka.
Ludzie cierpliwość
Niemiecka Puma do dziś nie jest dopracowana, bo o ile wiem, za szybko zaczęto ją masowo produkować.
@@robertklimczak5630Ale agentura coś spowolni jak zwykle
Poland is undergoing army modernisation, because most of the older vehicles were compatible with Ukrainian army and wer given ore sold to Ukraine. Thy found there proper use :D Most older polish tanks like PT91 is deep modernisation of Russian T72 and their live time was nearing the end. I think around 360 of them are fighting in Ukraine. The modernisation of (IFV)BWP Borsuk to replace obsolet BWP-1 and BWP-2 was planed since Years. This Vehicle is now ready to go and the change will by only faster. And the rest old BWP-1 will by used in Ukraine ore as parts. Other very important army vehicles like (APC)KTO Rosomak, (SPA) Krab and Transport platform Jelcz is already in his 3 gen. were produced in last 10 years. Update are already in modern Nato kompatible. Also many smaller vehicles were bought in recent Years. Poland still lacks many crucial abilities, and has his neads. Polish naval is producing new Frigates but that program will takes some more Years, Polisch Airforce bought now the F35 but the first will be operational in 2026 and already Polisch F16 need upgrade to new version. The antiair defence is waiting vor next delivery from USA (its a nice mixed USA-Polish system)... production takes 10 yers and we will get the rest firs in 4 years. The best part is that the politics sees now army modernisation ans years long process, and is good to see modern military equipment. I think in around 3-4 years Poland will get his maximal Power peek, where many of this equipment will be operational and ready to use.
Its strange that the Russian based AFV and IFV are all very low profile but the people that are supposed to ride in them actually sit on the top as there are issues with the armour
Doesn't matter how cool or adwanced it is. One rocket and its gone...
Why didnt they go ahead with the main battle tank showed 2 yaers ago...looked the part
I want one.
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another day, another world shocking thing...
Great target for fpv-drones
How is the drone protection? This are will be developed soon more effective and wide spread as a constant threat.
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