I moved from an i5-4460 to a Ryzen 5-2600x and have never thought about going back. I have had a Ryzen 7 fail on me, but I contacted AMD about it and they replaced it super fast pretty much no questions asked. This Intel Fiasco has me not even looking to Intel for their low end stuff. If I can't trust a company to stand behind their product, I will not be investing in said product.
Thanks for the kind words UFDTech! We have to shout-out intel for doing the right thing and extending their warranty by two years. And remember UFD viewers with Raptor Lake desktops: update your BIOS'- now! Don't wait for the next microcode (get that when it comes out too). The sooner you update your BIOS', the sooner you can prevent CPU degradation and hopefully never need to worry about RMAing a CPU at all.
The fact that Arrow lake is supposed to have a 100w lower tdp goes to show how insane Intel has gotten with power draw. If you took away 100w from AMDs chips you would be generating power 😂
Intel 4790k here. 😅 I think any "upgrade" for me would be a good upgrade. I'll wait for the X3Ds tier to come out for the 9000 series. I've waited this long, I can keep on waiting.
Same here. I do have a 9700k but the thing is being throttled quite hard nowadays in a lot of the games I play lol. It pairs nicely with my 6600xt since any game that can max out my cpu will max out my GPU too. I'm mainly excited for all of the new motherboard features than simply new processor lmaoo
I don't think the Zen 5 launch is bad. Pretty much half the TDP snd still the same performance. Just the power bill makes the upgrade worth it for many. Just because the last generations slways pushed clocks to the absolute limit does not mean thus should be the default
but as did Steve from HU point out, efficiency of 7700X was relatively bad, new one is comparable to 7700 non-x so non-x power draw with X horsepower, so ~7% uplift for him for other ones, some got 13% uplift, some less, if we look at performance we can get then memory tuning is great way, as for curve optimizer and shaper, best case got 40%, and half of tests were able to get +20%+ from PBO, CO and CS + memory tuning... for non tuning numbers, it's +- 3% and some workloads have more like 20%, but it's not that great for most
@ArouzedLamp But for gaming 7800X3D is faster than 9700X and costs roughly the same, at the same time 9700X is unmatched against 7800X3D OC-ed or not , so there is no arguments for performance per dollar for Zen5 non-3D part imo, I am open to new opinions tho.
I actually like moving away from the 80+ cert because it is too simplistic for what many people were using it for... a metric of quality. I just remember GN talking about all the issues with the 80+ cert. I still don't think using this new rating is still good for some all encompassing measurement of quality, but it is certainly more comprehensive and gives the consumer more useful information to make a purchasing decision.
First of all, those are way more effizient chips, that means they understand their tech, they dont simply push it forward they take one step after another. This also probably makes the x3d's way more effizient
With all the poop that Intel is going through with their CPUs, as someone who bought intel for just about every computer they've had over the last 34 years, I think I dodged a bullet with my first AMD Ryzen build. Granted it's a 7700 non-X chip, and not the top-of-the-line chips, but if Intel is behaving this poorly and dragging their feet to do the right thing for their flagship chips, imagine what it must be like if you have a lower tier chip and something goes wrong that warranty should cover.
as long as it does what you need it to and it's not going to turn to dust, you have the right CPU. don't chase the latest model, they're usually incremental increases at best.
It's not as big of a deal as some are making it out to be. If you build computers you know to check the motherboard voltage settings after every new build. If you did that you wouldn't have a degraded chip right now. If you didn't do that. You would now have a 5-year warranty, and the option to get a brand new chip. I've been building computers a long time too and I'm not worried about it at all. I even decided to capitalize on the situation since I knew perfectly good chips would start getting returned because of all the drama. I just bought a 13700k for $250 w/tax. Amazon return in brand new condition. Just open box. I still think you made a good decision though. 7700 even the non x is a really good CPU. If I didn't score the 13700k for the price I did, that 7700 was probably the chip I was going with. Wendell said if you have a 7700x don't even bother upgrading to a 9700x. I know you have the non-x, but it's really close in performance to the x version, but has the same TDP as the new chips. Honestly if I was in your position I'd keep that 7700 a bit longer.
@@xXx_Regulus_xXx Oh, I know this very well. A lot of thought and research went into building my current battle rig. My last one, powered by an Intel i7 3770, lasted over 10 years. I still have it and it still runs. But I need to remove the drive, find everything for it, and donate it to Goodwill.
@@DingleBerryschnapps I'm happy with the 7700 non-X. It does what I need it to. I am looking at building an HTPC for the living room, and might upgrade this PC and put the CPU/MoBo in the HTPC. But I have a few financial issues to tackle first, like my kid's tuition, so HTPC is not going to happen for a while. Also, I tend to hang on to electronics for a long time. So if I wasn't building another PC, I wouldn't be looking at upgrading this one for a while.
HEY Brett, conspiracy theorist here; AMD purposefully held back the Ryzen 5 9600x and the Ryzen 7 9700x by limiting the power to 65w (88w PPT) to up-sell the upcoming Ryzen 9 chips. Great videos
This. This is exactly the right point of view. The new CPU have more or less the same performance in gaming as the old ones for about half the power consumption (and completely trash the previous generation in professional workloads). Is that worth the replacement from a 7000 CPU if you just need the PC for gaming and everyday stuff and your system is running great? Probably not. Is it worth getting the 9000 series over the 7000 if you are building a new PC from the ground up or upgrading from older gens (maybe AM4)? Heck yes. You can either get, for less money, a CPU with the same level of performance and half the TDP (which means smaller less expesive cooler and psu) or, at a slightly higher price, a CPU one class of performace above its equivalent in the 7000 series and with the same TDP.
Considering that Intel has completely made a mess of the 13th and 14th gen chips, I'm perfectly happy with AMD coming out with a stable, steady upgrade plan. Now if only the next gen GPUs will come out soon-ish I can do a new build.
@@MrTrailerus A) GamersNexus did note that there's a BIOS update which would probably fix the issue. B) Meanwhile the Team Blue chips are killing themselves.
Falcon Northwest really needs to bring back Crazy Custom cases. I want the early 2000's weird back, and would like to order something from them. Seems like a great business
Curiously enough, just a while ago I saw a video that the safest place to be in a hurricane situation IS the closet. Maybe it is just a coincidence, but, a thing to note.
7800XT? Used 3080? Used 6800XT? 7900XT? You really think Battlemage is going to be better than a 6900XT for $500-$600 that you could have bought two years ago and enjoyed for those three years before Battlemage even drops? The used market at the start of the current generation of GPUs was unmatched
@@teapouter6109The issue with going AMD is FSR isn't as robust and on top of that, Intel XeSS matched with XMX cores is basically like baby DLSS for Nvidia cards. Plus, if does have Raytracing and AV1 support for those who need it. They also like giving people a lot of VRAM like AMD
How disappointing AMD might be... atleast it's not Intel. I think the 9000 series are very interesting for small form factor and mobile cpu space. They are INCREDIBLY power efficient, and incredibly low power usage comes with low temperatures. They could easily fit in a laptop without any downclocking
@@DJRYGAR1 90!? I don't know what reviews you been watching, but I've seen 65 watt draw. For equal to desktop 14700k performance. That's INSANE. Also why would 90 watts be too much? Current gaming/productivity laptops allready draw alot of power. Massive power bricks required to run them.
@@wildwilco ? NO lol, for similar power consumption, these chips are comparable to their 14000 competition, look at J2C, LTT and GN but yes these run more stable than Intel and heat less
@wildwilco 90 watts are going to make a lot of heat in a really compact space especially without actual desktop fans. You typically don't want to pull more than like 50w on a laptop and that's still a ton lol. Stuff like the Allys and Legion Gos have turbo modes of "only" 30 watts 💀. (They basically have to be plugged in that for it lol)
What is the reason the manufacturer warranties don’t align with intel? Shouldn’t it be a simple 1:1? Are they incurring significant additional costs that aren’t covered by intel and thus they feel the need to compensate by reducing the warranty period?
Apparently setting the Ryzen 9700X to 105W makes it on average 20% better than the 7700X. So it's the conservative power profile that is limiting the chips.
@@thewhiteknight9923 Fair enough. Maybe they're keeping all the well-binned chips for X3D, or something is seriously screwy with microcode or BIOS. Either way, if the 9800X3D isn't good, then I guess I'll have to wait another gen for an upgrade.
Ya bad take on the 9700X reviews. It's a 7 series CPU. WTF were you expecting? 14900K performance out of the box? These are fantastic numbers. Especially if you haven't moved your CPU up since the 5000 series of AMD CPU. We've yet to see the 9800X, the 9900X , the 9950X, or a 9950X3D.
Patrick: Yo Lisa what's up? Could you maybe not go so hard on zen 5? We are in a bit of a pickle here at Intel. Lisa: I gotcha my man. probably not what happened
So, based on your logic, if you buy a car from Toyota, but a computer chip fails on that car, you expect to receive warranty service from the chip manufacturer (not Toyota)?! Seems like a PITA since Toyota probably sources computer chips with different companies. You need to understand that Intel is just a part supplier to companies that build/sell computers.
Comparing cars to computers is an apples and oranges comparison. Unlike modern cars, desktops are designed with complete modularity in mind. If a part fails, said part can be very easily replaced, and when that particular model part has consistent failures, the issue lies in the manufacturer of said part. This is the turmoil intel is currently in. Intel is partially to blame for knowingly selling faulty parts to the consumer, as well as the motherboard manufacturers which had firmware that supplied too much current to the CPU. I should also mention, a large portion of desktop computers are custom built. You can’t exactly approach the manufacturer of the company that built the computer if there is none.
I think Lisa Su might want to call Jim Keller back and save them... Jokes aside, 9700X and 9600X are pretty disappointing performance wise, efficiency wise they're really good, Zen5 cores are physically smaller than Zen4 cores, they used 4nm which is barely an improvement over 5nm, and managed to reduce power consumption by a lot while maintain the same or 3-5% more performance, these facts prove Zen5 uArch is really good, it is simply handicapped at the moment with power and memory constraints, I imagine the 9950X would be better, and X3D would be a lot better especially if they move it to 3nm.
So AMD pulled back the power on their CPU's... I am starting to think both Intel and AMD are both at fault for pushing CPU's past a limit they never should've been pushed to in the first place. Running high 80s-90s° should never be a "safe TJ MAX" temp for anyone and this is why AMD pulled the power back as they know their CPUs that are running these kinds of temps along with the amount of power you "can" push through them to make them run faster will just end up doing the samething Intel did by pushing their CPUs to the max. I hope I am wrong but I have a feeling you will start to see AMD 7000 series CPUs having issues.
I think the bios they have for the 9000 series may need a little work before we rule them as mid. I remember the 7000 series having bios issues at launch. If they suck 5 months later then all we get is good tdp.
If AMD didnt always resort to lying. the CPUs arent bad, just a bit lackluster. The 9700X is just a bit faster than the 7700 - and costs a lot more. And after 7 years we still have the same 6 cores just at a higher price. And as for Intel and RMA - uhmmm... anything bought from an OEM goes to the OEM. That is the same with AMD. If you bought an AMD product from a systemintegrator AMD will not take that part back. Just go ask the people that bought 1st/2nd gen Ryzen mobile how """great""" their experience was with the bodged UEFI updates.
Sounds like the new AMD chips will have a fair bit of overclocking headroom. Ie 2-3 generations of comfortable headroom for bumps if there are other issues.
Huh? I've got an i7 13700k running a 240ml rad in my PC and I don't get thermal throttling, and it's an older AIO. One that'll I will probably have to replace in like a year, too.
This is Asus's first real opportunity to show they are seriously considering revamping their rma/warrant practices. It's good to know that they are on the good list this time is relieving.
I contacted Intel for a replacement and chose the cross ship option two days ago. They said they will email me with a link but I haven't got it yet. How long does it take normally?
AMD has pulled of a lot of IPC improvements, but the power limits are a bit too conservative (9700x only hits 65C at full power). The 9700x can actually beat the i7 14700k if you give it 120 Watts
A reminder for everyone who is treating Cybenetics certi as a silver bullet, Cybenetics Certification are for efficiency and noise level rating, it doesn't always corelates to reliability. *Cough* NZXT C1500
Having the new 9000 chips being a meh upgrade from the 7000 series kind of sucks since part of the big hype of getting the AMD chipset was to have room to upgrade later. Will there be another series of chips that support the current mobos?
It appears the play this time around from AMD was efficiecy... but they did not appear to play that fact up in there presentations. This is fine, and should be great for the mobile side of things, but it makes things not look great in the reviews... There is also the fact that on a desktop power consumption is not a huge deal, so long as the chip can be cooled within reason. Intel has gone way to far the other direction while it appears AMD took the overly conservative approach to power with this release.
Unfortunately it seems 9000 series' efficiency isn't something unique to the 9000 series. They're comparable to enabling eco mode on an X SKU or running a non-X SKU stock.
11:20 The better efficiency is only if you compare to higher TDP parts, for example if you compare the 9700X to the 7700, there's only a 7% difference as Hardware Unboxed pointed out in their 9600X review, it's only when you compare the 9700X to the 7700X, which is well outside the efficiency window, when the 9700X looks much more efficiency.
It looks like Zen 5 is perfectly tuned for low power enterprise use. I saw one benchmark where it doubled the competition in calculations per watt. They haven't bothered to tune it for desktop. Maybe they don't care about desktop or maybe they haven't been sure that new nodes are safe at higher voltages and they want to avoid an Intel situation or, more likely both.
If AMD either lowered prices by 50-100 dollars instead of just 20-50, it would have been a lame, but actually decent launch. Better yet, they could have made up for the small single core improvement by giving more cores. 20 core 9950x, 14/16 core 9900x, 10 core 9700x, 8 core 9600x, and maybe even a 6 core 9500 or 9300x. That would have been a really cool launch, but shouldn’t expect companies to do anything like this.
I think its great when cpu:s are tuned like that from the box. Most people wont need the last inefficient clocks and people who want them can overclock.
the speed for CPU has been so great for like 5 years, there is very little going to be gained, you dont even need to upgrade from a 5800x unless you have a 4070ti+ and even then it will be small gains, thank goodness they giving up on the whole just throw 600w at the Cpu and deal with the overheating and intel silicone breakdowns. that was crazy
I just bought a MSI zero, 7800x3D, 7800xt, in a matcha green Tower 300. Some parts still in the mail. It seemed to be a pretty good value for gaming considering the Ryzen 9k reports.
I really love your taste and style always so chic. My faves would be the kislux leather backpack and the Swarovski pave diamond ring so gorg. Thank you for your recommendations.
The Ryzen 9000 might still improve a lot in terms of performance, I mean the new chipsets are coming soon and then chipset updates or CPU microcode updates and bios update might later improve them a lot and maintain higher clocks...
The pricing could be better as we are getting a lower watt chips. I think they are doing exactly what AMD wants, they are running a smidge faster than the old ones with less power, I see this as a win! This will make better chips better with lower power usage and they could end up making a chip that is insane if they can find the material to not have them deteriorate like the Intel chips.
Hopefully since AMD nailed power efficiency this time, maybe they can work on actually making the CPUs run faster? Definitely going the right direction, hopefully the X3Ds will surpass the ones we currently have.
I mean power efficiency for a performance at this level might not translate to power efficiency for a performance of a higher level. We'll have to wait and see. Still, the high performance-to-TDP ratio is pretty nice, gives you more freedom for cooling and maybe even more silent options.
So I wonder, will the drivers that intel have released on ach gpu help them in developing drivers for battlemage? Like will their driver production be better fleshed out due to ach and the problems they fixed with them
7800x3d is the best buy right now imo from AMD, but, I'm kind of holding off judgement until the R9's are out, because they aren't reducing their power envelope near as much as the R5 and R7, so maybe they'll be more impressive, and possibly that's what AMD is going for, a bigger difference between their lower end and higher end parts? IDK, if not, this is just a weird offering from AMD compared to the last few generations.
9700X (88 watts at 60 degrees) is 70% more power efficient than 7700X (150 watts at 95 degrees) - at the same perfomance level. And 9700X clocks well whit new PBO curve shaper.
CEO is caught between a rock and a hard place, i.e., AIB customers want their CPUs replaced, DIYers want their CPUs replaced, investment fund managers want Intel financials to not be affected, Board members want Intel financials to not be affected. Thus, a new CEO will likely be sought in short order.
I see the 9600x is pcie gen 5 for graphics card and nvme. Since its pcie 5 fully, if the RTX 50 series and ryzen 8000 comes out in pcie gen 5 then those cpu's can maximize the cards speed.
Even on PCIe 4, they'd be running at full speed. As long as they have enough bandwidth there is basically little performance difference between PCIe 5, 4 and even 3 in GPU performance unless the card is bandwidth or memory starved like the 6500XT.
Actually the Ryzen 9000 are not that impressive when it comes to efficiency as well. I believe it was in the review of the R5 9600X where they plotted the ryzen 7 7700 non X (which is also a 65W CPU) and the 9700X did marginally better scores, consuming the same amount of energy.
Certifications like 80 Plus seem like they are often used by companies to scam people into buying bad products with a veneer of quality/efficiency. We bought a fancy new Samsung washer and dryer set a few years ago that were supposed to be way more efficient. However, I am pretty sure they claim this by having the default settings when you turn them on to be a very short wash cycle that I never use, or an auto-sensing dryer setting of "less dry" that leaves the clothes soaking wet. Sure, it doesn't consume as much energy, unless you use it the way it has to be used to be useful.
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Brett- It's worst than I thought too, I got a 9700x instead, we will see how the 9900x is- Saheed
@@rayzTechTipz2125 for new amd cpu you must enable PBO in motherboard jump 30% up
Dude the date is equal to the combination of the i9 12900k (8/8/24) = 8 P Cores 8 E Cores and 24 Threads.
I moved from an i5-4460 to a Ryzen 5-2600x and have never thought about going back. I have had a Ryzen 7 fail on me, but I contacted AMD about it and they replaced it super fast pretty much no questions asked. This Intel Fiasco has me not even looking to Intel for their low end stuff. If I can't trust a company to stand behind their product, I will not be investing in said product.
yo... Reece speaking lightly is like fuckin ASMR
Thanks for the kind words UFDTech! We have to shout-out intel for doing the right thing and extending their warranty by two years. And remember UFD viewers with Raptor Lake desktops: update your BIOS'- now! Don't wait for the next microcode (get that when it comes out too). The sooner you update your BIOS', the sooner you can prevent CPU degradation and hopefully never need to worry about RMAing a CPU at all.
Thank you for your exemplary customer support
I have the feeling that the ryzen 9000 cpus might get better benchmarks once the x870 and x870e motherboards get released
Haha your probably gonna be right
His low voice is sooooooooooo calming and majestic-like 😊
The fact that Arrow lake is supposed to have a 100w lower tdp goes to show how insane Intel has gotten with power draw.
If you took away 100w from AMDs chips you would be generating power 😂
Intel 4790k here. 😅 I think any "upgrade" for me would be a good upgrade. I'll wait for the X3Ds tier to come out for the 9000 series. I've waited this long, I can keep on waiting.
Same here. I do have a 9700k but the thing is being throttled quite hard nowadays in a lot of the games I play lol.
It pairs nicely with my 6600xt since any game that can max out my cpu will max out my GPU too.
I'm mainly excited for all of the new motherboard features than simply new processor lmaoo
Reese's whisper voice really works for the deal segment. It feels like he's telling me a secret.
ASMR Reece! 😂
Anyways get well soon Reece.
I don't think the Zen 5 launch is bad. Pretty much half the TDP snd still the same performance. Just the power bill makes the upgrade worth it for many.
Just because the last generations slways pushed clocks to the absolute limit does not mean thus should be the default
So will you pay more for the same performance？ I don't think so.
@lunamiya1689 If you can *safely* OC to get 15%+ game performance and or don't already have an am5 system, ABSOLUTELY
but as did Steve from HU point out, efficiency of 7700X was relatively bad, new one is comparable to 7700 non-x so non-x power draw with X horsepower, so ~7% uplift for him
for other ones, some got 13% uplift, some less, if we look at performance we can get then memory tuning is great way, as for curve optimizer and shaper, best case got 40%, and half of tests were able to get +20%+ from PBO, CO and CS + memory tuning... for non tuning numbers, it's +- 3% and some workloads have more like 20%, but it's not that great for most
@ArouzedLamp But for gaming 7800X3D is faster than 9700X and costs roughly the same, at the same time 9700X is unmatched against 7800X3D OC-ed or not , so there is no arguments for performance per dollar for Zen5 non-3D part imo, I am open to new opinions tho.
Bruh who the fuck buys a gaming grade cpu for efficiency… ☹️
is he inside a bathroom 💀
He is
He is x2
was my first thought but could be a european entrance hall. No echo so not a bathroom imo.
Nothing wrong with a poop here or there
Closet, he's in a closet and he said it.
Oh, I just noticed you all hit 1 million subscribers. Congrats 🎉🎉🎉
The cap reflection in the mirror looks like Brett has green parrot on his shoulder like a pirat lol .
I actually like moving away from the 80+ cert because it is too simplistic for what many people were using it for... a metric of quality. I just remember GN talking about all the issues with the 80+ cert. I still don't think using this new rating is still good for some all encompassing measurement of quality, but it is certainly more comprehensive and gives the consumer more useful information to make a purchasing decision.
I am now begging AMD to release those X3D cpus fast. Only thing i have left is to huff on that copium.
What do you need that for?
First of all, those are way more effizient chips, that means they understand their tech, they dont simply push it forward they take one step after another. This also probably makes the x3d's way more effizient
😂
Have you got a GPU and monitor that won’t bottleneck it?
Did you hear what Lisa Su said about the NPU using a lot of die area? We're going to need AMD CPUs without an NPU before we see real performance.
With all the poop that Intel is going through with their CPUs, as someone who bought intel for just about every computer they've had over the last 34 years, I think I dodged a bullet with my first AMD Ryzen build. Granted it's a 7700 non-X chip, and not the top-of-the-line chips, but if Intel is behaving this poorly and dragging their feet to do the right thing for their flagship chips, imagine what it must be like if you have a lower tier chip and something goes wrong that warranty should cover.
Just get arrow lake at the end of 2024, they will be #1
as long as it does what you need it to and it's not going to turn to dust, you have the right CPU. don't chase the latest model, they're usually incremental increases at best.
It's not as big of a deal as some are making it out to be.
If you build computers you know to check the motherboard voltage settings after every new build. If you did that you wouldn't have a degraded chip right now.
If you didn't do that. You would now have a 5-year warranty, and the option to get a brand new chip.
I've been building computers a long time too and I'm not worried about it at all. I even decided to capitalize on the situation since I knew perfectly good chips would start getting returned because of all the drama. I just bought a 13700k for $250 w/tax. Amazon return in brand new condition. Just open box.
I still think you made a good decision though. 7700 even the non x is a really good CPU. If I didn't score the 13700k for the price I did, that 7700 was probably the chip I was going with.
Wendell said if you have a 7700x don't even bother upgrading to a 9700x. I know you have the non-x, but it's really close in performance to the x version, but has the same TDP as the new chips. Honestly if I was in your position I'd keep that 7700 a bit longer.
@@xXx_Regulus_xXx Oh, I know this very well. A lot of thought and research went into building my current battle rig. My last one, powered by an Intel i7 3770, lasted over 10 years. I still have it and it still runs. But I need to remove the drive, find everything for it, and donate it to Goodwill.
@@DingleBerryschnapps I'm happy with the 7700 non-X. It does what I need it to. I am looking at building an HTPC for the living room, and might upgrade this PC and put the CPU/MoBo in the HTPC. But I have a few financial issues to tackle first, like my kid's tuition, so HTPC is not going to happen for a while.
Also, I tend to hang on to electronics for a long time. So if I wasn't building another PC, I wouldn't be looking at upgrading this one for a while.
The acoustics in that closet are surprisingly good.
Ah yes toilet closet
HEY Brett, conspiracy theorist here; AMD purposefully held back the Ryzen 5 9600x and the Ryzen 7 9700x by limiting the power to 65w (88w PPT) to up-sell the upcoming Ryzen 9 chips. Great videos
good choice for first build, not for upgrade
This. This is exactly the right point of view.
The new CPU have more or less the same performance in gaming as the old ones for about half the power consumption (and completely trash the previous generation in professional workloads).
Is that worth the replacement from a 7000 CPU if you just need the PC for gaming and everyday stuff and your system is running great? Probably not.
Is it worth getting the 9000 series over the 7000 if you are building a new PC from the ground up or upgrading from older gens (maybe AM4)? Heck yes.
You can either get, for less money, a CPU with the same level of performance and half the TDP (which means smaller less expesive cooler and psu) or, at a slightly higher price, a CPU one class of performace above its equivalent in the 7000 series and with the same TDP.
Food for thought. What if AMD tested the new cpu on X870E and the chipset is making up a lot of missing improvements
That would suck tbh. Why wouldn't they enclose that beforehand?
Well the good thing about all of this with Intel is that you can see what Si has your back.
QUESTION: When did Brett get a green parrot?
This series should have been branded as non-X given the TDP of 65W
Considering that Intel has completely made a mess of the 13th and 14th gen chips, I'm perfectly happy with AMD coming out with a stable, steady upgrade plan. Now if only the next gen GPUs will come out soon-ish I can do a new build.
Stable? Jayz said they are crashing, so said gamersnexus
@@MrTrailerus A) GamersNexus did note that there's a BIOS update which would probably fix the issue. B) Meanwhile the Team Blue chips are killing themselves.
Reese needs to record some ASMR videos while he’s sick. He’ll make a fortune.
Falcon Northwest really needs to bring back Crazy Custom cases.
I want the early 2000's weird back, and would like to order something from them.
Seems like a great business
If this were a tennis match it would now be Advantage Lunar Lake.
Intel could have stole the show with ARL if they didn't tarnish their reputation with this debacle 🤦
Curiously enough, just a while ago I saw a video that the safest place to be in a hurricane situation IS the closet.
Maybe it is just a coincidence, but, a thing to note.
Whoa, great callback on the Tylenol and Johnson and Johnson debacle. You nailed it, that’s how you earn consumers trust.
I am actively postponing retiring my well worn GTX970 while hoping against hope that Battlemage will be amazing.
7800XT?
Used 3080?
Used 6800XT?
7900XT?
You really think Battlemage is going to be better than a 6900XT for $500-$600 that you could have bought two years ago and enjoyed for those three years before Battlemage even drops?
The used market at the start of the current generation of GPUs was unmatched
@@teapouter6109 you're not wrong.
But then I would for sure have wasted my time and hopes.
@@teapouter6109The issue with going AMD is FSR isn't as robust and on top of that, Intel XeSS matched with XMX cores is basically like baby DLSS for Nvidia cards. Plus, if does have Raytracing and AV1 support for those who need it.
They also like giving people a lot of VRAM like AMD
Its quite funny to see him trying different rooms LOL - Sound is better now tho LOL
My 7800X3D will hold me down for a long time.
Ditto. I have a certain sense of satisfaction myself 😁👍
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Hold you down... or lift you up? =:o}
Audio was very good today..
How disappointing AMD might be... atleast it's not Intel.
I think the 9000 series are very interesting for small form factor and mobile cpu space. They are INCREDIBLY power efficient, and incredibly low power usage comes with low temperatures. They could easily fit in a laptop without any downclocking
90 watts is too much for laptop, but it is amazing desktop chip, super quiet on air cooling (anything better than box fan will be great)
@@DJRYGAR1 90!? I don't know what reviews you been watching, but I've seen 65 watt draw. For equal to desktop 14700k performance. That's INSANE.
Also why would 90 watts be too much? Current gaming/productivity laptops allready draw alot of power. Massive power bricks required to run them.
@@wildwilco ? NO lol, for similar power consumption, these chips are comparable to their 14000 competition, look at J2C, LTT and GN
but yes these run more stable than Intel and heat less
@wildwilco 90 watts are going to make a lot of heat in a really compact space especially without actual desktop fans.
You typically don't want to pull more than like 50w on a laptop and that's still a ton lol. Stuff like the Allys and Legion Gos have turbo modes of "only" 30 watts 💀. (They basically have to be plugged in that for it lol)
"They are INCREDIBLY power efficient,"
About 5-10% better efficiency than Zen4 was. That is not "incredible" that is just good.
Reese being quiet gave me a jump start at first 😂
What is the reason the manufacturer warranties don’t align with intel? Shouldn’t it be a simple 1:1? Are they incurring significant additional costs that aren’t covered by intel and thus they feel the need to compensate by reducing the warranty period?
Just a big shout out to Falcon Northwest for continuously being a good company.
Apparently setting the Ryzen 9700X to 105W makes it on average 20% better than the 7700X. So it's the conservative power profile that is limiting the chips.
And comparing it to the 7700 - NON-x you see that it is not much different, in the range of 5-10% better at the same powerdraw.
20% in cinebench. Which means an extra 2% performance increase😂
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@@thewhiteknight9923 Fair enough. Maybe they're keeping all the well-binned chips for X3D, or something is seriously screwy with microcode or BIOS. Either way, if the 9800X3D isn't good, then I guess I'll have to wait another gen for an upgrade.
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Ya bad take on the 9700X reviews. It's a 7 series CPU. WTF were you expecting? 14900K performance out of the box? These are fantastic numbers. Especially if you haven't moved your CPU up since the 5000 series of AMD CPU. We've yet to see the 9800X, the 9900X , the 9950X, or a 9950X3D.
Patrick: Yo Lisa what's up? Could you maybe not go so hard on zen 5? We are in a bit of a pickle here at Intel.
Lisa: I gotcha my man.
probably not what happened
So, based on your logic, if you buy a car from Toyota, but a computer chip fails on that car, you expect to receive warranty service from the chip manufacturer (not Toyota)?! Seems like a PITA since Toyota probably sources computer chips with different companies. You need to understand that Intel is just a part supplier to companies that build/sell computers.
Comparing cars to computers is an apples and oranges comparison. Unlike modern cars, desktops are designed with complete modularity in mind. If a part fails, said part can be very easily replaced, and when that particular model part has consistent failures, the issue lies in the manufacturer of said part. This is the turmoil intel is currently in.
Intel is partially to blame for knowingly selling faulty parts to the consumer, as well as the motherboard manufacturers which had firmware that supplied too much current to the CPU.
I should also mention, a large portion of desktop computers are custom built. You can’t exactly approach the manufacturer of the company that built the computer if there is none.
I think Lisa Su might want to call Jim Keller back and save them...
Jokes aside, 9700X and 9600X are pretty disappointing performance wise, efficiency wise they're really good, Zen5 cores are physically smaller than Zen4 cores, they used 4nm which is barely an improvement over 5nm, and managed to reduce power consumption by a lot while maintain the same or 3-5% more performance, these facts prove Zen5 uArch is really good, it is simply handicapped at the moment with power and memory constraints, I imagine the 9950X would be better, and X3D would be a lot better especially if they move it to 3nm.
So AMD pulled back the power on their CPU's... I am starting to think both Intel and AMD are both at fault for pushing CPU's past a limit they never should've been pushed to in the first place. Running high 80s-90s° should never be a "safe TJ MAX" temp for anyone and this is why AMD pulled the power back as they know their CPUs that are running these kinds of temps along with the amount of power you "can" push through them to make them run faster will just end up doing the samething Intel did by pushing their CPUs to the max. I hope I am wrong but I have a feeling you will start to see AMD 7000 series CPUs having issues.
Props to all of you for still uploading despite the circumstances, respect.
Its weird seeing Brett doing the news from a toilet while Im on the toilet
Toilet to toilet communication
What does UFD stand for in your channel name? I can’t find an answer anywhere
rip Reese's throat o7
I think the bios they have for the 9000 series may need a little work before we rule them as mid.
I remember the 7000 series having bios issues at launch.
If they suck 5 months later then all we get is good tdp.
Best place to talk about Intel
If AMD didnt always resort to lying. the CPUs arent bad, just a bit lackluster. The 9700X is just a bit faster than the 7700 - and costs a lot more. And after 7 years we still have the same 6 cores just at a higher price.
And as for Intel and RMA - uhmmm... anything bought from an OEM goes to the OEM. That is the same with AMD. If you bought an AMD product from a systemintegrator AMD will not take that part back. Just go ask the people that bought 1st/2nd gen Ryzen mobile how """great""" their experience was with the bodged UEFI updates.
Sounds like the new AMD chips will have a fair bit of overclocking headroom.
Ie 2-3 generations of comfortable headroom for bumps if there are other issues.
Why did it take so long to find out about these faulty cpu's
Most likely it took a while of people pushing their CPUs hard to finally see degradation
12:50 Telling people on Zen1 to upgrade to Zen5 is terrible advice when Zen4 performs the same but is WAY cheaper.
I’m happy with my 7800X3D.
I'd rather wait for AMD to actually polish their works. Intel was stupid for releasing the i7 and i9 expecting everyone to have supercomputer
Huh? I've got an i7 13700k running a 240ml rad in my PC and I don't get thermal throttling, and it's an older AIO. One that'll I will probably have to replace in like a year, too.
This is Asus's first real opportunity to show they are seriously considering revamping their rma/warrant practices. It's good to know that they are on the good list this time is relieving.
I contacted Intel for a replacement and chose the cross ship option two days ago. They said they will email me with a link but I haven't got it yet. How long does it take normally?
I started following during the channel’s news era and I like it a lot. I hope your return to reviews doesn’t impact your daily news videos
AMD has pulled of a lot of IPC improvements, but the power limits are a bit too conservative (9700x only hits 65C at full power). The 9700x can actually beat the i7 14700k if you give it 120 Watts
A reminder for everyone who is treating Cybenetics certi as a silver bullet, Cybenetics Certification are for efficiency and noise level rating, it doesn't always corelates to reliability. *Cough* NZXT C1500
9:10 Cybenetics: YAAAAY! Finally.
Having the new 9000 chips being a meh upgrade from the 7000 series kind of sucks since part of the big hype of getting the AMD chipset was to have room to upgrade later. Will there be another series of chips that support the current mobos?
It appears the play this time around from AMD was efficiecy... but they did not appear to play that fact up in there presentations. This is fine, and should be great for the mobile side of things, but it makes things not look great in the reviews... There is also the fact that on a desktop power consumption is not a huge deal, so long as the chip can be cooled within reason. Intel has gone way to far the other direction while it appears AMD took the overly conservative approach to power with this release.
I think those mini PCs will become much more adequate for gaming.
Unfortunately it seems 9000 series' efficiency isn't something unique to the 9000 series. They're comparable to enabling eco mode on an X SKU or running a non-X SKU stock.
11:20 The better efficiency is only if you compare to higher TDP parts, for example if you compare the 9700X to the 7700, there's only a 7% difference as Hardware Unboxed pointed out in their 9600X review, it's only when you compare the 9700X to the 7700X, which is well outside the efficiency window, when the 9700X looks much more efficiency.
It looks like Zen 5 is perfectly tuned for low power enterprise use. I saw one benchmark where it doubled the competition in calculations per watt.
They haven't bothered to tune it for desktop. Maybe they don't care about desktop or maybe they haven't been sure that new nodes are safe at higher voltages and they want to avoid an Intel situation or, more likely both.
If AMD either lowered prices by 50-100 dollars instead of just 20-50, it would have been a lame, but actually decent launch. Better yet, they could have made up for the small single core improvement by giving more cores. 20 core 9950x, 14/16 core 9900x, 10 core 9700x, 8 core 9600x, and maybe even a 6 core 9500 or 9300x. That would have been a really cool launch, but shouldn’t expect companies to do anything like this.
I think its great when cpu:s are tuned like that from the box. Most people wont need the last inefficient clocks and people who want them can overclock.
the speed for CPU has been so great for like 5 years, there is very little going to be gained, you dont even need to upgrade from a 5800x unless you have a 4070ti+ and even then it will be small gains, thank goodness they giving up on the whole just throw 600w at the Cpu and deal with the overheating and intel silicone breakdowns. that was crazy
the new amd 9000s would be amazing in a laptop
small form factor PCs
I just bought a MSI zero, 7800x3D, 7800xt, in a matcha green Tower 300. Some parts still in the mail. It seemed to be a pretty good value for gaming considering the Ryzen 9k reports.
Glad I bought my 7800x3d 2 weeks before Prime Day for $429cdn now with these results that processor's price is probably going to go up
Have you ever seen the price of a Falcon Northwest system?
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The Ryzen 9000 might still improve a lot in terms of performance, I mean the new chipsets are coming soon and then chipset updates or CPU microcode updates and bios update might later improve them a lot and maintain higher clocks...
I really hope the 9900 and 9950 go over better than what we've seen so far.
4:25 no it’s not a problem. Now you know which pre-built companies to avoid!
johnson and jonson mentions
The pricing could be better as we are getting a lower watt chips. I think they are doing exactly what AMD wants, they are running a smidge faster than the old ones with less power, I see this as a win! This will make better chips better with lower power usage and they could end up making a chip that is insane if they can find the material to not have them deteriorate like the Intel chips.
Hopefully since AMD nailed power efficiency this time, maybe they can work on actually making the CPUs run faster? Definitely going the right direction, hopefully the X3Ds will surpass the ones we currently have.
I mean power efficiency for a performance at this level might not translate to power efficiency for a performance of a higher level. We'll have to wait and see. Still, the high performance-to-TDP ratio is pretty nice, gives you more freedom for cooling and maybe even more silent options.
Ok. Thanks
So I wonder, will the drivers that intel have released on ach gpu help them in developing drivers for battlemage? Like will their driver production be better fleshed out due to ach and the problems they fixed with them
7800x3d is the best buy right now imo from AMD, but, I'm kind of holding off judgement until the R9's are out, because they aren't reducing their power envelope near as much as the R5 and R7, so maybe they'll be more impressive, and possibly that's what AMD is going for, a bigger difference between their lower end and higher end parts? IDK, if not, this is just a weird offering from AMD compared to the last few generations.
Get another ironing board and you got yourself the capacity to make a set of makeshift snowshoes.
atleast amd wont push tdp for sake of "performance improvement". Stable chip>>a power monster which cooks itself
Does anyone know if this affects laptop chips? I have an I9 13900HX and it has blue screened many times.
Makes sense to have customers go to the pc builder for their failing CPUs.
Reece, I hope you feel better real soon.... but on a side note: can we get more ASMR-edition deals please? 😅
9700X (88 watts at 60 degrees) is 70% more power efficient than 7700X (150 watts at 95 degrees) - at the same perfomance level. And 9700X clocks well whit new PBO curve shaper.
I love watching hot news I hope you still keep doing theme if you start doing reviews
CEO is caught between a rock and a hard place, i.e., AIB customers want their CPUs replaced, DIYers want their CPUs replaced, investment fund managers want Intel financials to not be affected, Board members want Intel financials to not be affected. Thus, a new CEO will likely be sought in short order.
I see the 9600x is pcie gen 5 for graphics card and nvme. Since its pcie 5 fully, if the RTX 50 series and ryzen 8000 comes out in pcie gen 5 then those cpu's can maximize the cards speed.
Even on PCIe 4, they'd be running at full speed. As long as they have enough bandwidth there is basically little performance difference between PCIe 5, 4 and even 3 in GPU performance unless the card is bandwidth or memory starved like the 6500XT.
Actually the Ryzen 9000 are not that impressive when it comes to efficiency as well. I believe it was in the review of the R5 9600X where they plotted the ryzen 7 7700 non X (which is also a 65W CPU) and the 9700X did marginally better scores, consuming the same amount of energy.
Who else is having coffee watching this?
Certifications like 80 Plus seem like they are often used by companies to scam people into buying bad products with a veneer of quality/efficiency. We bought a fancy new Samsung washer and dryer set a few years ago that were supposed to be way more efficient. However, I am pretty sure they claim this by having the default settings when you turn them on to be a very short wash cycle that I never use, or an auto-sensing dryer setting of "less dry" that leaves the clothes soaking wet. Sure, it doesn't consume as much energy, unless you use it the way it has to be used to be useful.
Come do a live show and meet and greet at UF
I like the new ufd studio.. lol 😂
Sheesh😅. Reece needs to whisper full time. *I’m straight I’m straight I’m straight I’m straight*