Why DEVELOPERS is Discussing the PS6 already....When the DEVS need to focus on Making Games for the PS5 PRO....Devs Already making Excuses on why they CAnt make No Games for the PS5 Pro
Dude, it took 7 years to get a 60 fps mode in GTA V, on top of moving to another generation of consoles *AND* releasing Xbox One X & PS4 Pro... To think GTA VI will LAUNCH at 60 fps on PS5 Pro is way too optimistic. Dragon's Dogma 2 only provided a 10 fps boost with 45% more powerful GPU + PSSR, yet it still wasn't running at 60 fps. GTA VI is going to have waaaay more NPCs, vehicles & crazy physics than DD2, and all of that will be pushed through the CPU (the same CPU that the base PS5 has).
@ReforgeGaming But in town in where the NPCs are, which is going to be amplified tenfold with GTA VI. Look at BG3 for example. It could hit 60 fps for the first 2 acts, but act 3 struggles to maintain 35 fps in performance mode due to all the NPCs & simulations happening.
I think the offering of 4k at a stable 60fps with some additional frills is kind of what we wanted coming into this gen and it looks like we are finally there with this mid gen refresh
@@vegaskidd555 Native 4K isn't necessary and isn't worth the cost. PSSR or DLSS are capable of producing an even more detailed, sharper and better looking image than native 4K alone.
So, the PS5 ended up being an AMAZING PS4 player. I wonder if the PS6 will likewise being an amazing PS5 player. If so, it probably makes more sense to wait for it instead of the Pro.
The PS5 pro isn't a leap in technology dude you're either coping or dead ass clueless of what you're talking about. The PS5 pro has the equivalent processing power of an RTX 2080. I have card in my current PC and it is 2 generations old and it's about to be 3 generations old when Nvidia release their 5000 series of GPUs which is around the corner and no you do not need double the money to build a power equivalent of a PS5 Pro to a PC you just need 1k to build a PC powerful enough to be at the same level if not slightly more powerful than the PS5 pro. Sony is getting too close to the price of a PC, if the pro costs this much imagine how much the PS6 base model is gonna cost at this point. It's getting closer and closer to the cost of a PC which will be a justification to just build one instead of buying a console. BTW before any of you playstation players come for me and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about I'm actually a Playstation player myself I have PS4 I've been a playstation fan long before many of you kids wore even born, been playing console games since they the damn arcades fell out of style. From the Nintendo all the way to the ps4, I gave up after Sony announced their new subscription models, I was basically playing both PC and PS4 but that was the last straw for me. Their subscriptions are too expensive and the "free" shit you get is mostly trash ass games anyways, If I had it my way I would only want a subscription for multiplayer and that's it, I don't care about any of their free games or discounts, most of them are bullshit. After comparing what I get on console vs PC in the steam store you just get way better deals, game go on discount way sooner on PC than they do on playstation. Playstation keep their prices for old good games high for way too long, a few months in and even good games drop their prices on PC playstation try to keep the prices high for a long as possible and when new DLC drops the price of the game goes back up if for a time it went down. On steam I haven't seen that happen once, and Steam do big ass fire sells with major discounts on really good games, like every week there's discounts on a lot of good games. Even publishers would do big discounts across a lot of games on Steam, good luck with that happening on Playstation, it rarely happened. Their discounts is a joke, if you want a discount, get their bullshit overpriced subscription. Sony clearly don't respect their consumers and want to stay having the upper hand on you. Jim Ryan is the first CEO that Sony Entertainment has had that wasn't a gamer, dude says the wildest most out of touch shit I have ever heard! Couldn't stand that guy he, Soney under his control has gone down the wrong path and now he's leaving after he's fucked it up big time. Thanks alot jim you've ruined it for a lot of people who really loved Sony. That man said Gamers don't like Old games you cannot tell me that was so mad bullshit. All because he doesn't want to provide any kind of backwards compatibility to classic games, but they have the gaul to complain about people using emulators and shit. People wouldn't need to use emulators if they could play the games they fucking loved through the console itself. People wouldn't need to modify their consoles if the console natively supported their old games. I'm not jading anyone for wanting to get a PS5 pro but y'all can't be out here lying saying it's a leap in power, it is not, the GPU got a little bigger, that's all. You did not get a CPU upgrade, you did not get a ram upgrade and you did not get an SSD upgrade, don't kid yourselves. The only one's your fooling is you, yes the games look nice but not 300.00 nicer, you guys are being ripped off but if your okay with that, well that's fine but don't try to gaslight everyone else into thinking they just got the deal of a life time, that's cap.
We’re still talking about 30/60 fps targets but with slightly higher resolution’s… all for 800 dollars and no new games. I can already play most of the games they showcased on my base ps5 with higher fps in all the modes with VRR enabled. And the games that DONT support higher fps with vrr still look good enough… im convinced that the few people excited for this is still playing games on 10 year old tv’s lol. The entire gaming comunity is criticizing this thing and their response to that is usually “why do you care how we spend our money?” “Youre broke thats why you dont like it” like cut it out 😂 people just want to get what they pay for, and thats definitely not the case with this console. This thing goes against everything that makes console gaming so great in the first place and you guys know it, but its ok since it has a ps logo on it lol. Im no ps hater by the way, i mean im no fan of the direction this era of ps is going (or xbox for that matter) but ill always have a soft spot for ps and i love most of the games they produced these past 2 gens. I just think this console is a scam lowkey.
how is it a scam when there are reviews stating otherwise? 😂 this is cope masked up in a rant. let alone the console is still made with game developers in mind.
@@younglord161 For 800 dollars you should be getting way more for your money, but you think its fine because some reviewers told you that there were “some improvements” to these games running on it… thats all it takes for you huh 😂 and every console is made with developers in mind, like DUH dude 😂… maybe “scam” is a strong word for you, so ill just say undercooked/overpriced. And there is no cope here… thats a popular word for people who have no argument in any intelligent way for things that they dont want to hear lol… if what I said didnt make any sense to you, then you’re not an intelligent person because I broke it DOWN and used very simple words. I cant help you lol
@@duppypixels you’re literally upset. there was a massive difference with games like FF7Rebirth, Dragons Dogma 2 and etc.. and you’re denying the facts😂 I better not see you purchase this console in the future the second you start facing issues running high demanding games on the base ps5. heck, it seems your fine with playing games at 60fps with lotion smeared on your screen unless you’re once again, just a 1st party gamer. who would I listen to anyways? a random on the internet who’s upset downplaying the pro or listen to the experts with actual hands on gameplay and being really impressed?
@@younglord161 you sure youre not the one thats upset? I mean its been days since i posted that, and youre still here trying to defend it lol i literally BROKE DOWN why i think its pointless, and your response is “ff7 rebirth shows a huge improvement!” THAT GAME SHOULDNT LOOK THAT BAD ON THE PS5 TO BEGIN WITH!!! 😂😂😂 and dragons dogma 2 only gets an extra 10 frames… for 800 dollars 😂😂😂 its not about to work any miracles… everyone knows this except for you hardcore ps fanboys lol. And if i DO decide to buy it, itll be because games are actually looking and running alot better than what we see… which aint the case right now, sorry. Im a console collector and still dont want it, that says alot lol. Resolution bumps dont matter much when youre playing on a couch 6 feet away from the tv, and an extra 10 frames (😂😂) isnt worth 800 dollars either. Do you know what you can get with a pc build thats only a couple hundred dollars more? Be smart with your money.
Considering I'm looking at 900 for a 4060 pre-built PC? 750 for the best console experience in the market "future proofing" myself for the rest of the generation? It's a no brain, day one buy.
I posted this comment 2 weeks ago: "Really hoping the current negative sentiment persists until i secure my preorder 🤷♂️". So no, i'm not glad the outrage is over lol. My preorder experience for the base ps5 was a battle royal. Don't wanna go through that again.
I been seeing people compare still shots of games, saying there's not a huge improvement. The fact there's an improvement at all in a still comparison is amazing, because ones running 30fps, ones running 60fps 😅😅😅😅
Either came from 3 sources, PC elitists, ppl who couldn't afford it, or xbox refugees who are now on PC. EDIT: 4 sources youtubers screaming just to get clicks, cause unfortunately, general negativity gets clicks.
I absolutely believe GTA6 will have a 60FPS mode. Rockstar are great at optimization and they have a very close relationship with PlayStation. Heck one of the first points brought up at the PS5 reveal in 2020 by Jim Ryan was him touting their strong relationship with Rockstar Games.
Im in the majority of peeps who mostly get base ps consoles and have never batted an eye at pro consoles. But this ps5 pro is definitly catchin my eye enuff that i mite have to burn the wallet a bit
Yep, I am in the same boat. Mid gen refresh (slim versions) sure. Mid gen upgrade, never had much interest. This PS5 pro has changed my mind though, and I will be purchasing one!
@@divisive_gaming4488I just really don't see the value. It is nowhere near worth it. Especially with them removing its disc drive and stand just to nickel and dime customers. It's not worth it.
This is what i wanted out of the ps5 pro but I was cautiously optimistic...until i saw that it was 700. That's when I knew that it would be better than what the ps4 pro was at the time.
@@ReforgeGaming i just got mine preordered. My Samsung internet wouldn't let me confirm payment but I went to chrome (never used it on this phone) and it worked fine. Was still saved in my cart.
@@mwfcod0932 Use the PlayStation app. I logged on a little while ago out of curiosity and it let me add another regular pro. I didn't proceed obviously cause I already pre ordered. Make sure you have a PSN account and log in.
@@evanjudice9742samething happened to me with my phone trying to hit the place order for like a hour,then I used my tablet and got it through first try.
I'm confused... People made jokes and were mad that they didn't see a difference between the base and the pro well now that people that have actually play the pro say there is a big difference now they're mad and saying they shouldn't have to pay that much... I'm confused because people asked for this now they don't want it? It would be so much easier if some of these people would just come out and admit they can't afford it and that's cool I couldn't afford the PS3 when it first came out in 2006.
What those people really want is - to complain. The world (and especially the online world) nowadays is full of complainers. We literally live in the age of complainers.
I feel like Im paying 800 for a PC competitor & I like to collect disc's, not steam digital licenses we don't own, & since I have the cash, why not. It will push my VR to the next level. Don't worry about the next man's pockets & purchases for his home lol
Got my preorder in today. Also, I have recently received the disk drive which I ordered a few weeks ago. So now I’m all set for the consoles release. The only thing remaining, is to pick up some more of the Pro enhanced games. I’ve got quite a few already (GT7, Resi 4, Resi Village, Ratchet and Clank, Horizon Dawn, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, TLOU PT1 & PT2, etc), but there is still some titles that I will be purchasing before the release of the console. Happy days😊
Fact of the matter is. At the $700 price tag this is THE BEST WAY to play AAA videogames with the MOST AAA videogames on Day 1. If ur not interested in 4K AAA gaming this isn’t for you, but if u are (me) this is a friggin GAME CHANGER. There is no wayyy i’ll ever build a PC at 700$ that can compete with this.
Sony has truly made it so appealing to be a console gamer. These are the innovations that will bridge the gap and help devs to bring their creations to life.
I grabbed a reg Pro today. Didn’t even attempt the 30th. Lol. I wouldn’t have been able to bring myself to play it given what a collector’s item it is. I have seen a bunch of people that got one though. As far as the price, people want 60 fps, they want 4K, they want ‘next gen visuals’. They want high end PC specs on budget hardware. The only way we get this is with higher end hardware. People will be fine with a reg PS5, this is still a niche unit. But for those that are into this stuff, it’s a good grab.
Mid gen leap should be for everyone who is not an early adopter. If you were on the first wave of PS5's may as well wait for PS6 and hopefully it is fully backwards compatible
Not to me, I already upgraded my PS5 base with a NVME. I've already have 3tb. So 2 TB is a downgrade. I'm not paying for all that for a sharper graphics processor.
They made it seem like there weren't going to be a need for the "modes" anymore.... But they are still there..... Also it should be at leat 500 for what it is.... But now that I think about it.... The price is right on point for... THE DIGITAL VERSION!! THE DISK VERSION.... WHICH THEY SHOULD HAVE.... SHOULD BE 550-599
I just looked up the price in my closest physical electronics store here in Sweden. The Pro with only one controller and nothing else will cost 10490 Swedish Crowns, that'll be exactly 1038 USD with sales tax included. You guys in the US seem to be getting better deals.
@@jaysenyork3934 Ur not our military lol, everyone has their own, but you keep dreaming about world dominance and beeing arrogant and your allies will soon leave, doesn't bother me.
@@jaysenyork3934 You don't even know what country I am from, but keep listening to Trump speeches on the telly, you see I do too. I like the guy. I hope he leave NATO and europe takes charge of it and we all build our defenses together. You be on your own then just like u wished, and europe don't have to send our troops to the coming middle eastern war.
I am buying for collection purposes but I'm still not sold on this power narrative. Maybe I'm spoiled by PC gaming but I will keep my expectations in check. For all those excited though I am happy for you.
Kayak vr is getting increased lighting, shadows and reflections to water surfaces. Lies of p is getting raytraved shadows. Increased lighting and more optimised performance.
I bought my base PS5 to play PS exclusive games back then... but now, the number of exclusives are so miniscule that I don't think it's worth it. If I didn't have a PC with a 4090 or had more ps exclusives (not timed), I would have pulled the trigger while I had the ps5 pro in my cart today. I'm gonna hold off since spending $860 with the disc drive to play a better version of ff7 rebirth doesn't make sense. I still want one though since I like tech.
it was just fake outrage. i could understand if Xbox gamers were mad but why would PC gamers even enter the convo? its another fake drama on the internet. if you are a PC gamer with a good rig you wouldn't even think twice about consoles whether its Xbox or PS. PS5 Pro is for console gamers...its a high end console just like a high end PC. just like PC gamers who want to upgrade to a high end gaming rig same thing with this....regular PS5 owners if they want to spend more on a high end console then they can buy a PS5 Pro. its just another option for them. that's it....end of story. no reason for PC people get into the convo. PC gamers have the most choices and most games available to them..zero reason for them to even care about the console space.
Because we care about our console brethren and don't want to see them ripped off by spending $700 on what is essentially a low end gaming pc. Also the ps5 pro will launch around the same time nVidia's 5000 series gpus will hit the shelves.
PC gamers would enter the convo because contrary to the belief of some, many of them are on older and lower end hardware. Tons of PC gamers' rigs are weaker and less capable than the PS5 Pro will be (CPU aside in a lot of cases). That makes them salty.
@@dimfre4kske67 And at least here in Canada, those 5000 series GPUs will be > $2500 CAD for a 5080 or 5090. 5070 will be at least $1700+ and won't really be any better than Pro.
I was pretty timid about the Pro when it first was announced, but seeing and hearing the news, it's sounding more and more worth it. I already have a mid-high end PC, so I'm not sure if I really need it, but I would love to play games that don't work well on PC (I'm specifically looking at you Jedi Survivor).
Only thing that bums me out is that I probably won’t be able to get a PS5 Pro 30th Anniversary Edition. Since only 12300 are being sold. Hopefully they produce more or sell side plates. Bc this is a day one buy.
The price tag just isn't worth it for me. It's only marginal upgrades and its not even that noticable. Plus removing disc drive and charging for extra for it just shows how much greedy companies are going for these days.
Keep lying to yourself it’s more than marginal upgrades lol I didn’t know the base model played games on ultra settings and 4k 120 like the pro or 4k60 with ray tracing on and ultra settings 😅 just keep coping
@@TheKing8608_ Sure you can say its more than marginal for you. But for me, going for higher render resolution is just a little less blurry. Even doubling the fps from 60 to 120 is not gonna matter for single player games i play. Ray tracing while yes it looks prettier, it only impresses me for first time, then I'll just forget it after hours into the game. The standard reflections still looks good enough for me. Again these little upgrades doesnt justify the price tag for me and thats just how I see it.
Sorry I'm just not seeing how this is market disruptive. You still have no freedom on console, my reasoning (everybody is different just me personally) for building a pc was for the freedom of playing with mods and to get more into the indie scene. I made it powerful only to help combat the future improvements to devs and l'm glad i did (the forvever winter).
My spendthrift nature is stopping me get one. I'll spend my gaming budget on some PC upgrades. It will be intresting to see what future versions of PSSR on the PS6 can deliver. I may have to rethink where I game then.
Xbox Gamer. Got my PS5 Pro pre-order in at Playstation Direct. Got my disc drive and stand delivered. I can already see articles saying, "Did Sony quietly start Next-Gen early?"
3rd Party games being this good makes me very Very optimistic. Dragons Dogma going from 20-30 fps’ to 53 fps is nuts. They even hit 120fps on one or two games. 2025 is going to be insane. Monster Hunter and Ghost of Yotei especially. Hoooot
Wait so if games still run fidelity modes at 30FPS it's just running slightly better graphics on performance mode? I'm not understanding what you are trying to say on this one Lono.
watch the DF video for a better explanation, the hogwarts performance mode will use stuff from the quality mode on the pro... that's goal, combine both where possible
@@TheDanimal91 he’s talking about games that we already played on our base ps5’s as if thats some sort of W… like dude WE ALREADY PLAYED THEM 😂 where are the NEW GAMES that actually take full advantage of this pro console? Not that im expecting a big difference between new games running on the pro vs base console, not with that same cpu lol. Games are getting like 10 extra frames, and you gotta pay double of what the ps5 cost just to experience that lol i dont understand how these guys can be so excited for that lol
@@duppypixels for real!!! If they had bloodborne remastered or something I'd be so pumped! But why am I excited about games I've already played! It's fucking ridiculous dude 😂😂😂
I was not able to get a 30th anniversary edition pro but I got a ps5 pro so I’m happy with that super stoked to have a machine that’s able to get close to PC quality if not better in some games or matching.
Digital foundry just released their video. And they are impressed at the pro. A $700 console that plays current AAA games at upscaled 4k, 60 fps with ray tracing. The Pisser is gonna piss a lot of people. Prepare for a wave of salt and insecurities.
Look, I get it's a mid-gen leap, but to be honest it's not really for me 100%. I have a PC so maybe that's why 🤷🏻♂️ I don't feel inclined to buy the Pro
@joeXjoeX silence child, the adults are talking. If you knew me, the community, or was in our chats, you'd have seen i was initially planning to buy one
As a real one of course I preorder it today . Day one preorder , I hope for the day one delivery , because the ps5 even though I preordered it also , I was waiting 8 months .
Ow yeah... I remember how they said that the games would run at 60 fps on the ps4, then the games would run at 60 fps on the ps4 pro, then the games were going to play at 60 fps on the ps5 and now trust me bro the ps5 pro will run the games at 60 fps. Instead the games will now run at less then the usual 20 - 30 fps and will be compensated to 30 to 40 fps with their AI frame generation. Edit> not saying some older games won't actually be running at 60fps, but the new ones won't.
It’s going to split the market the normal PS5 and PS5 slim is going to hold the PRO models back just like the Xbox series s holds back the Xbox series X the same way the PS4 Pro held back the standard PS5 Sony is juggling multiple consoles and third parties are putting the same games on all of them not letting one over shine the other versions to much stop the FOMO!
PS5 isn't going to hold back PS5 pro... reason why the series s is holding back the series x is because of a memory bottle neck.. regular PS5 doesn't have that issue
I think it’s a great call on the PS5 console generation being a long one. Just look at graphics cards. Even prior to the AI switch for nvidia, they are extending their product shelf life since the demand is so high for this next leap of AI infused graphics tech, there’s not much need as it can do so much more with less. And nvidia has held prices up and Sony has almost no competition for games anymore.
while I personally wont be buying one , I think its cool that Sony put their money where their mouth is and showed off the PS5 Pro to journalists and content creators in the space. Shows they were confident
To me, the PS5 Pro only makes sense if this console generation is going to last pretty much until the end of this decade. When you consider that the original PS5 wasn't even widely available at MSRP until 2023 AND that game development cycles have gotten so long that we haven't seen the kind of current-gen output we had in past generations (example: Mass Effect 5 isn't expected until 2029), this generation really SHOULD be longer than any that have come before. But if the PS6 is coming in, say, 2027, you may as well just wait for that. (Unfortunately, we obviously don't know when the PS6 is coming.)
Next gen isn’t coming till 2028/2029 so yeah plenty of years before a next gen is even here I’ve never had a ps5 but even if I did I would trade it in for this console in a heartbeat
The price is still way too high and the PS6 is way too close. The PS6 is what 3-4 years away? PC players aren’t going to jump ship to this and abandon their Steam libraries with all the PC exclusive games and have to start paying for online again. Even if the PS5 Pro is more powerful than your PC, you’re downgrading by switching to it because you lose so many games and access to mods. If you bought a PS5 and you’re also buying this to upgrade then that is a LOT of money you’ve spent on one console generation. I live in Canada where the PS5 is $650 and the Pro is $960. So just over $1500 BEFORE taxes. That’s also without a disc drive or vertical stand. And then you still pay for online on top of that and still have to upgrade again when the PS6 comes out. Even if you’re a console/Sony fan you’re better off just waiting for the PS6. If you’re not super attached to console then just save up a bit more money and get a powerful PC with more games, mods and no fee to play online. A smart consumer would choose one of those two options.
£825 (Pro + Disc Drive + Stand) - £400 (What I'm selling my four year old PS5 launch day model w/ 1TB SSD installed for) = £425. I have a disposable income of £900 a month. I already have a good PC, before you mention it. I still have Rebirth, Stellar Blade & Spiderman 2 in my backlog (which are getting enhancements). I am looking forward to Death Stranding 2 & Ghost of Yotei (which will undoubtedly benefit, and not release on PC for a good year after PS5). Mileage may vary, but the upgrade is worth it to me for the next few years of PS gaming.
You can literally sell your current PS5 and get the Pro at a fraction of the cost. That's what I'm doing. Given the leaked court docs the PS6 is aiming for a 2028 release, that's at least 4 years. We still know very little about Sony's first party studios in those 4 years. 2025 alone is shaping up to be insane (Ghost of Yotei, Death Stranding 2, GTA VI [I know it's not first party but a huge game] etc...) and we know they have a bunch of back loaded games from 1st party but we have no release dates. I'd rather have the best console to play those games in the next 4 years that will carry me well into PS6's launch. We're at the point of diminishing returns when it comes to graphic fidelity. The only leap we're likely to see is from Ray Tracing technology and AI upscaling which the PS5 Pro has so it is future proof in a sense, especially since AI upscaling will get better over time. It's hard to imagine the PS6 will be a HUGE leap over the PS5 Pro, but we'll see where the tech goes from here.
Bro. Sony is changing the game. Generations will be longer with more over lap. They said PS4 games will be getting made till 2028. 😂. My guess is that PS6 will come when the costs come down. They don't need a PS6.
@@ReforgeGamingthanks for all your awesome coverage all these years, Lono 😊 - I still love how you are unusually articulate and a true wordsmith and logical thinker. Plus, you are the only person I ever recall using the phrase, “it’s not winsome” - at one point in a past discussion - amazing vocab 👏!
If you love the closed platform model buy the PS5 Pro, if you want open platform with a competitive market on where games and hardware are cheap build a PC....I'v BUILT A PC for 780$ two times already from MICROCENTER using the most common gpu according to steam the RTX 3060. just wanted tht on record
You sound like those Street Racers who used to buy Hondas, put $100,000 into it and act like it's better than a Ferrari😂. The "Ferrari" is last 10 years while your little Frankenstein's PC built with parts not made for nor tested with each other will last 1-2 years MAX. The worst thing about building PC is that there is no "OEM" parts. I built PCs for 15 years, it's not worth it for just "Video Games", 4090s are for working Professionals in VFX. The RTX 3060 doesn't have AI cores or upscaling like the PS5 Pro. Your PC is not as good as a PS5 Pro.😂😂
@blackrahk2037 it can play ps1 and ps2 games natively. smh again, i was debunking tht you cant build a PC with the most common gpu according to steam. The 4090 is not common
i am confused with your headline..... the two things that became apparently clear from the preview event if you read between the lines. The games which if the work is put into them will benefit with an uplift... mainly 1st party as it was stated there was some visual and performance boosts if catered to. but also if a game hasn't used the new tool set the std boost isn't really going to effect games that much so its really down to the 3rd party devs if they think redevolping a game to take advantage is really worth it financially but we shall see. Now that the series x can now be free from the shackles of the base PS5 we will see just how powerful the series x is as really the only advantage the PRO has is superior ray tracing which i still believe consoles should just ditch and focus on better frames at higher natuve resolutions as that's all we as gamers want from consoles. this will close the gap with performance vs PC. and lastly it was pretty much confirmed that developers are looking forward to the PRO as they basically had admitted the base PS5 is garbage to develop for as it has too many restrictions. Its not a mid gen leap at all so I'm not sure where you are getting that from.. all the pro is doing is having a slight advantage now with raw performance over the x but as we have seen some games just wont run at 60fps like the series x will.... the pro is still bottlenecked by the CPU and CPU intensive games will continue to struggle on the PRO.
Don't think it'll push the ps6 back because xbox is working on their new tech. But with lots of people still on ps4, the ps6 will probably have an ever slower start than the ps5 because people will just get a ps5 presuming that ps6 prices are going to be even higher
The PS6 isn’t coming till 2028/2029 and allot of PS4/PS4 pro users are jumping to the ps5 pro, I’ve literally have read thousands and thousands of comments on social media over the last year or more and they are making the jump
@@ReforgeGaming No. I mean in terms of how these new games are going to perform. Some of the performance modes on these newer games look pretty bad by comparison. Very blurry images. It makes me not want to buy PS5 games unless I can afford a Pro and I'm not sure when that will be.
Tldw: F1 looks great (racers tend to) Image was "less stable" in new mode Horizon FW best image quality of show (nothing new) Hogwarts legacy 30fps raytracing. Performance mode "looks better" Ratchet and spiderman "devs are still learning hardware " or there's no big difference. TLOU2 "a native 4k render you will not notice from typical viewing distance " Ff7 Rebirth "unstable but worth it, pro enhanced targets 4k 60" The crew another car game, frame drops were acknowledged Demon souls "looks 4k?" But not actually. Dragons Dogma 2, upscaled from 1080 P to reach 4k output and reach 56 fps. So um checkerboard but PSSR.
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Why DEVELOPERS is Discussing the PS6 already....When the DEVS need to focus on Making Games for the PS5 PRO....Devs Already making Excuses on why they CAnt make No Games for the PS5 Pro
Dude, it took 7 years to get a 60 fps mode in GTA V, on top of moving to another generation of consoles *AND* releasing Xbox One X & PS4 Pro...
To think GTA VI will LAUNCH at 60 fps on PS5 Pro is way too optimistic. Dragon's Dogma 2 only provided a 10 fps boost with 45% more powerful GPU + PSSR, yet it still wasn't running at 60 fps.
GTA VI is going to have waaaay more NPCs, vehicles & crazy physics than DD2, and all of that will be pushed through the CPU (the same CPU that the base PS5 has).
DD2 was running 60fps except for in town. Place your bets.
@ReforgeGaming But in town in where the NPCs are, which is going to be amplified tenfold with GTA VI.
Look at BG3 for example. It could hit 60 fps for the first 2 acts, but act 3 struggles to maintain 35 fps in performance mode due to all the NPCs & simulations happening.
I would love if cyberpunk got the pro treatment. And Gotham knights
Got mine pre-ordered (normal PRO). Just hope they give PSVR2 some PRO upgrades (GT7, RE etc) as that could benefit massively from it.
I think the offering of 4k at a stable 60fps with some additional frills is kind of what we wanted coming into this gen and it looks like we are finally there with this mid gen refresh
i always wanted 60fps, the 4k is a cherry on top
Yup and I think ps6 will be the same but native 4k 60fps
Up to 120 fps 4k on pro.
I pre ordered the ps5 pro but im a little bit disappointed there is no cpu upgrade, while cpu is important for games like gta 6
@@vegaskidd555 Native 4K isn't necessary and isn't worth the cost. PSSR or DLSS are capable of producing an even more detailed, sharper and better looking image than native 4K alone.
Just think, the entire industry will be working on PSSR, with fixed hardware, imagine the gains we could see over time
So, the PS5 ended up being an AMAZING PS4 player. I wonder if the PS6 will likewise being an amazing PS5 player. If so, it probably makes more sense to wait for it instead of the Pro.
@@nicodimus2222 you're going to want the PS6 Pro
We gonna pretend ps5 exclusives don’t exist? Rift apart? Returnal? Alan wake 2? Hmmm
The PS5 pro isn't a leap in technology dude you're either coping or dead ass clueless of what you're talking about. The PS5 pro has the equivalent processing power of an RTX 2080. I have card in my current PC and it is 2 generations old and it's about to be 3 generations old when Nvidia release their 5000 series of GPUs which is around the corner and no you do not need double the money to build a power equivalent of a PS5 Pro to a PC you just need 1k to build a PC powerful enough to be at the same level if not slightly more powerful than the PS5 pro. Sony is getting too close to the price of a PC, if the pro costs this much imagine how much the PS6 base model is gonna cost at this point. It's getting closer and closer to the cost of a PC which will be a justification to just build one instead of buying a console.
BTW before any of you playstation players come for me and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about I'm actually a Playstation player myself I have PS4 I've been a playstation fan long before many of you kids wore even born, been playing console games since they the damn arcades fell out of style. From the Nintendo all the way to the ps4, I gave up after Sony announced their new subscription models, I was basically playing both PC and PS4 but that was the last straw for me. Their subscriptions are too expensive and the "free" shit you get is mostly trash ass games anyways, If I had it my way I would only want a subscription for multiplayer and that's it, I don't care about any of their free games or discounts, most of them are bullshit.
After comparing what I get on console vs PC in the steam store you just get way better deals, game go on discount way sooner on PC than they do on playstation. Playstation keep their prices for old good games high for way too long, a few months in and even good games drop their prices on PC playstation try to keep the prices high for a long as possible and when new DLC drops the price of the game goes back up if for a time it went down. On steam I haven't seen that happen once, and Steam do big ass fire sells with major discounts on really good games, like every week there's discounts on a lot of good games. Even publishers would do big discounts across a lot of games on Steam, good luck with that happening on Playstation, it rarely happened. Their discounts is a joke, if you want a discount, get their bullshit overpriced subscription. Sony clearly don't respect their consumers and want to stay having the upper hand on you. Jim Ryan is the first CEO that Sony Entertainment has had that wasn't a gamer, dude says the wildest most out of touch shit I have ever heard! Couldn't stand that guy he, Soney under his control has gone down the wrong path and now he's leaving after he's fucked it up big time. Thanks alot jim you've ruined it for a lot of people who really loved Sony. That man said Gamers don't like Old games you cannot tell me that was so mad bullshit. All because he doesn't want to provide any kind of backwards compatibility to classic games, but they have the gaul to complain about people using emulators and shit. People wouldn't need to use emulators if they could play the games they fucking loved through the console itself. People wouldn't need to modify their consoles if the console natively supported their old games.
I'm not jading anyone for wanting to get a PS5 pro but y'all can't be out here lying saying it's a leap in power, it is not, the GPU got a little bigger, that's all. You did not get a CPU upgrade, you did not get a ram upgrade and you did not get an SSD upgrade, don't kid yourselves. The only one's your fooling is you, yes the games look nice but not 300.00 nicer, you guys are being ripped off but if your okay with that, well that's fine but don't try to gaslight everyone else into thinking they just got the deal of a life time, that's cap.
We’re still talking about 30/60 fps targets but with slightly higher resolution’s… all for 800 dollars and no new games. I can already play most of the games they showcased on my base ps5 with higher fps in all the modes with VRR enabled. And the games that DONT support higher fps with vrr still look good enough… im convinced that the few people excited for this is still playing games on 10 year old tv’s lol.
The entire gaming comunity is criticizing this thing and their response to that is usually “why do you care how we spend our money?” “Youre broke thats why you dont like it” like cut it out 😂 people just want to get what they pay for, and thats definitely not the case with this console. This thing goes against everything that makes console gaming so great in the first place and you guys know it, but its ok since it has a ps logo on it lol.
Im no ps hater by the way, i mean im no fan of the direction this era of ps is going (or xbox for that matter) but ill always have a soft spot for ps and i love most of the games they produced these past 2 gens. I just think this console is a scam lowkey.
@@sujimatsubackupaccount194 that was the best generation of gaming in my opinion
how is it a scam when there are reviews stating otherwise? 😂 this is cope masked up in a rant. let alone the console is still made with game developers in mind.
@@younglord161 For 800 dollars you should be getting way more for your money, but you think its fine because some reviewers told you that there were “some improvements” to these games running on it… thats all it takes for you huh 😂 and every console is made with developers in mind, like DUH dude 😂… maybe “scam” is a strong word for you, so ill just say undercooked/overpriced. And there is no cope here… thats a popular word for people who have no argument in any intelligent way for things that they dont want to hear lol… if what I said didnt make any sense to you, then you’re not an intelligent person because I broke it DOWN and used very simple words. I cant help you lol
@@duppypixels you’re literally upset. there was a massive difference with games like FF7Rebirth, Dragons Dogma 2 and etc.. and you’re denying the facts😂 I better not see you purchase this console in the future the second you start facing issues running high demanding games on the base ps5. heck, it seems your fine with playing games at 60fps with lotion smeared on your screen unless you’re once again, just a 1st party gamer. who would I listen to anyways? a random on the internet who’s upset downplaying the pro or listen to the experts with actual hands on gameplay and being really impressed?
@@younglord161 you sure youre not the one thats upset? I mean its been days since i posted that, and youre still here trying to defend it lol i literally BROKE DOWN why i think its pointless, and your response is “ff7 rebirth shows a huge improvement!” THAT GAME SHOULDNT LOOK THAT BAD ON THE PS5 TO BEGIN WITH!!! 😂😂😂 and dragons dogma 2 only gets an extra 10 frames… for 800 dollars 😂😂😂 its not about to work any miracles… everyone knows this except for you hardcore ps fanboys lol.
And if i DO decide to buy it, itll be because games are actually looking and running alot better than what we see… which aint the case right now, sorry. Im a console collector and still dont want it, that says alot lol. Resolution bumps dont matter much when youre playing on a couch 6 feet away from the tv, and an extra 10 frames (😂😂) isnt worth 800 dollars either. Do you know what you can get with a pc build thats only a couple hundred dollars more? Be smart with your money.
After all the of the false hate on the $700 price tag, you can hear a pin drop after the digital foundry video. Funny how that works.
More like a mid gen baby step
One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind. Best bang for buck by far, you can't build a comparable pc for close to this price.
Considering I'm looking at 900 for a 4060 pre-built PC?
750 for the best console experience in the market "future proofing" myself for the rest of the generation?
It's a no brain, day one buy.
nice
The ps5 pro kills my Pc dam 4K 60 my weak ass pc my catch fire lol
You need a 4070 to match the ps5 pro. My 4070 cost £525 by itself pc cost me £1200 for similar specs as the pro
I'm justr glad this PS5 pro outrage is over. Crazy it caused that much of a stir for an option purchase, but whatever.
yup, i knew the breakdowns would quiet the false nonsense
I posted this comment 2 weeks ago:
"Really hoping the current negative sentiment persists until i secure my preorder 🤷♂️".
So no, i'm not glad the outrage is over lol.
My preorder experience for the base ps5 was a battle royal. Don't wanna go through that again.
PS5 pro is offering drastically more than going from a One X to an S
I been seeing people compare still shots of games, saying there's not a huge improvement. The fact there's an improvement at all in a still comparison is amazing, because ones running 30fps, ones running 60fps 😅😅😅😅
Either came from 3 sources, PC elitists, ppl who couldn't afford it, or xbox refugees who are now on PC. EDIT: 4 sources youtubers screaming just to get clicks, cause unfortunately, general negativity gets clicks.
I absolutely believe GTA6 will have a 60FPS mode. Rockstar are great at optimization and they have a very close relationship with PlayStation. Heck one of the first points brought up at the PS5 reveal in 2020 by Jim Ryan was him touting their strong relationship with Rockstar Games.
Im in the majority of peeps who mostly get base ps consoles and have never batted an eye at pro consoles. But this ps5 pro is definitly catchin my eye enuff that i mite have to burn the wallet a bit
yup, it is definitely changing some minds
Yep, I am in the same boat. Mid gen refresh (slim versions) sure. Mid gen upgrade, never had much interest. This PS5 pro has changed my mind though, and I will be purchasing one!
@@divisive_gaming4488I just really don't see the value. It is nowhere near worth it. Especially with them removing its disc drive and stand just to nickel and dime customers. It's not worth it.
Ray Tracing is brutal on my top end CPU. No amount of upscaling can fix that. I just don’t see how an overclocked Ryzen 3600 is going to handle that.
Good news!
Raytracing isn't CPU intensive.
It's done on GPU
i mean, watch the DF video
This is what i wanted out of the ps5 pro but I was cautiously optimistic...until i saw that it was 700. That's when I knew that it would be better than what the ps4 pro was at the time.
exactly
@@ReforgeGaming i just got mine preordered. My Samsung internet wouldn't let me confirm payment but I went to chrome (never used it on this phone) and it worked fine. Was still saved in my cart.
I got my pre order 🤘🤘
Men I did try this am but I was to late. Went to the wrong place lol and now every time I hit the “add to cart” nothing happens 😩
@@mwfcod0932
Use the PlayStation app. I logged on a little while ago out of curiosity and it let me add another regular pro. I didn't proceed obviously cause I already pre ordered. Make sure you have a PSN account and log in.
@@mwfcod0932it’s a glitch it’s still available
I went through that for an hour and a half and finally got it to go through on my tablet.
@@evanjudice9742samething happened to me with my phone trying to hit the place order for like a hour,then I used my tablet and got it through first try.
Im looking forward to the updates on my psvr 2, possibly better resolution and no reprojection.
I'm confused... People made jokes and were mad that they didn't see a difference between the base and the pro well now that people that have actually play the pro say there is a big difference now they're mad and saying they shouldn't have to pay that much... I'm confused because people asked for this now they don't want it? It would be so much easier if some of these people would just come out and admit they can't afford it and that's cool I couldn't afford the PS3 when it first came out in 2006.
@@axelstuart2707 I think it's a damn good deal for what it's doing. If you don't want it cool completely understandable.
they are committed to hate and dishonesty, that's it.
@@Jay_Walker92Facts
You’re exactly right
What those people really want is - to complain. The world (and especially the online world) nowadays is full of complainers. We literally live in the age of complainers.
How's that Concord tax taste to you with the 800 dollar console for the right to the disk drive? Do you feeeeeel like a hero yet for purchasing it?
Not just a hero. The savior of Sony
@@adamthiry868 The truth is, Walker. Sony's been dead in the water all along. The Sony you grew up with is long gone. It broke you.
You sound like one of the 60% of pc gamers that are still on 1080p....... pathetic
It's actually a very good price based on the tech that's inside it. Not overpriced at all.
I feel like Im paying 800 for a PC competitor & I like to collect disc's, not steam digital licenses we don't own, & since I have the cash, why not. It will push my VR to the next level. Don't worry about the next man's pockets & purchases for his home lol
Got my preorder in today. Also, I have recently received the disk drive which I ordered a few weeks ago. So now I’m all set for the consoles release. The only thing remaining, is to pick up some more of the Pro enhanced games. I’ve got quite a few already (GT7, Resi 4, Resi Village, Ratchet and Clank, Horizon Dawn, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, TLOU PT1 & PT2, etc), but there is still some titles that I will be purchasing before the release of the console. Happy days😊
Really excited to preorder mine on the 10th. Gonna use that almost $400 store credit to make it cheaper.
get it!
@@ReforgeGaming Hopefully i can!
Bought mine out right today here in Australia! Can't wait until release day! 👍👍👍
congrats!
@ReforgeGaming Thanks mate! 👊👊👊
I got it via eb games, $300 deposit and will hand my ps5 in for the trade
Fact of the matter is. At the $700 price tag this is THE BEST WAY to play AAA videogames with the MOST AAA videogames on Day 1. If ur not interested in 4K AAA gaming this isn’t for you, but if u are (me) this is a friggin GAME CHANGER. There is no wayyy i’ll ever build a PC at 700$ that can compete with this.
@Garrus-w2hthat’s just a gpu. You would still need the rest of the pc
Finally secured one… that was brutal😮
same and yes it was!!
The F1 stuff was crazy!
agreed
Sony has truly made it so appealing to be a console gamer. These are the innovations that will bridge the gap and help devs to bring their creations to life.
yup, this is what i want to see from a platform, innovation and stronger tech
How's that Concord tax taste to you with the 800 dollar console for the right to the disk drive? Do you feeeeeel like a hero yet for purchasing it?
@@robertkovarna8294 what's your villain story? What happened in your childhood?
@@anssiaatos Maybe making smart financial decisions? :D
@@michaelwasserbauer4177 I dunno, sounded more like a person who hates that others are enjoying simple things
I grabbed a reg Pro today. Didn’t even attempt the 30th. Lol. I wouldn’t have been able to bring myself to play it given what a collector’s item it is. I have seen a bunch of people that got one though.
As far as the price, people want 60 fps, they want 4K, they want ‘next gen visuals’. They want high end PC specs on budget hardware. The only way we get this is with higher end hardware. People will be fine with a reg PS5, this is still a niche unit. But for those that are into this stuff, it’s a good grab.
First time buying on launch day, can't wait to buy my pro.
nice!
Mid gen leap should be for everyone who is not an early adopter. If you were on the first wave of PS5's may as well wait for PS6 and hopefully it is fully backwards compatible
The storage upgrade alone was a 150 dollar worth of hardware to me
Memory upgrade?
@@SIPEROTH I meant storage, 2tb ssd
Not to me, I already upgraded my PS5 base with a NVME.
I've already have 3tb.
So 2 TB is a downgrade.
I'm not paying for all that for a sharper graphics processor.
@@ikon8275 I have a 4tb also and now I will have an extra 1.5 tb since I have the original ps5
@@ikon8275 Actually it's still an upgrade because you can just put that 3TB into the Pro and have +2TB so you will get 5TB.
I can't wait to play these games on my Pro
same here
They made it seem like there weren't going to be a need for the "modes" anymore.... But they are still there.....
Also it should be at leat 500 for what it is....
But now that I think about it.... The price is right on point for... THE DIGITAL VERSION!!
THE DISK VERSION.... WHICH THEY SHOULD HAVE.... SHOULD BE 550-599
I just looked up the price in my closest physical electronics store here in Sweden. The Pro with only one controller and nothing else will cost 10490 Swedish Crowns, that'll be exactly 1038 USD with sales tax included. You guys in the US seem to be getting better deals.
@@annekristiina7503 it's our reward for being your military.
@@jaysenyork3934 Ur not our military lol, everyone has their own, but you keep dreaming about world dominance and beeing arrogant and your allies will soon leave, doesn't bother me.
@annekristiina7503 how about your country starts paying its fair share for the U.N. and NATO and you pray our Country is there when you need us.
@@jaysenyork3934 You don't even know what country I am from, but keep listening to Trump speeches on the telly, you see I do too. I like the guy. I hope he leave NATO and europe takes charge of it and we all build our defenses together. You be on your own then just like u wished, and europe don't have to send our troops to the coming middle eastern war.
@@jaysenyork3934 By the way, MY country pays its fare share, so u have incorrect information.
Excited for what this does for the industry. I’m not the target. I do not have a critical eye. I can’t pick up issues at 30 fps.
it will help 30fps modes too tho
I am buying for collection purposes but I'm still not sold on this power narrative. Maybe I'm spoiled by PC gaming but I will keep my expectations in check. For all those excited though I am happy for you.
the DF video is very compelling
I really want the PS5 Pro but I think I'll wait until it's a bit easier to find one.
for sure, october a lot of the retailers will have them
Just try and get your pre order before the actual launch date. That’s when it will be hard to get.
In Canada, Bestbuy and Walmart still have them in stock. The regular ps5 pro, not the anniversary one.
Facts ima wait until it hits store shelves
it's still instock
Kayak vr is getting increased lighting, shadows and reflections to water surfaces. Lies of p is getting raytraved shadows. Increased lighting and more optimised performance.
its not no leap at all glad im a xbox fan
👍🏻
I bought my base PS5 to play PS exclusive games back then... but now, the number of exclusives are so miniscule that I don't think it's worth it. If I didn't have a PC with a 4090 or had more ps exclusives (not timed), I would have pulled the trigger while I had the ps5 pro in my cart today. I'm gonna hold off since spending $860 with the disc drive to play a better version of ff7 rebirth doesn't make sense. I still want one though since I like tech.
Sad.
it was just fake outrage. i could understand if Xbox gamers were mad but why would PC gamers even enter the convo? its another fake drama on the internet. if you are a PC gamer with a good rig you wouldn't even think twice about consoles whether its Xbox or PS. PS5 Pro is for console gamers...its a high end console just like a high end PC. just like PC gamers who want to upgrade to a high end gaming rig same thing with this....regular PS5 owners if they want to spend more on a high end console then they can buy a PS5 Pro. its just another option for them. that's it....end of story. no reason for PC people get into the convo. PC gamers have the most choices and most games available to them..zero reason for them to even care about the console space.
Because we care about our console brethren and don't want to see them ripped off by spending $700 on what is essentially a low end gaming pc. Also the ps5 pro will launch around the same time nVidia's 5000 series gpus will hit the shelves.
PC gamers would enter the convo because contrary to the belief of some, many of them are on older and lower end hardware. Tons of PC gamers' rigs are weaker and less capable than the PS5 Pro will be (CPU aside in a lot of cases). That makes them salty.
@@dimfre4kske67 And at least here in Canada, those 5000 series GPUs will be > $2500 CAD for a 5080 or 5090. 5070 will be at least $1700+ and won't really be any better than Pro.
I was pretty timid about the Pro when it first was announced, but seeing and hearing the news, it's sounding more and more worth it. I already have a mid-high end PC, so I'm not sure if I really need it, but I would love to play games that don't work well on PC (I'm specifically looking at you Jedi Survivor).
Only thing that bums me out is that I probably won’t be able to get a PS5 Pro 30th Anniversary Edition. Since only 12300 are being sold. Hopefully they produce more or sell side plates. Bc this is a day one buy.
The price tag just isn't worth it for me. It's only marginal upgrades and its not even that noticable. Plus removing disc drive and charging for extra for it just shows how much greedy companies are going for these days.
Keep lying to yourself it’s more than marginal upgrades lol I didn’t know the base model played games on ultra settings and 4k 120 like the pro or 4k60 with ray tracing on and ultra settings 😅 just keep coping
@@TheKing8608_ Sure you can say its more than marginal for you. But for me, going for higher render resolution is just a little less blurry. Even doubling the fps from 60 to 120 is not gonna matter for single player games i play. Ray tracing while yes it looks prettier, it only impresses me for first time, then I'll just forget it after hours into the game. The standard reflections still looks good enough for me. Again these little upgrades doesnt justify the price tag for me and thats just how I see it.
Angry OG PS5 disc version people be like...
I just hope gta 6 has a 40 fps mode at least
Pre ordered my pro this morning can’t wait
Sorry I'm just not seeing how this is market disruptive. You still have no freedom on console, my reasoning (everybody is different just me personally) for building a pc was for the freedom of playing with mods and to get more into the indie scene. I made it powerful only to help combat the future improvements to devs and l'm glad i did (the forvever winter).
The disruption is the tech inside lol. Its pushing things further...so its disruption.
@@craigharris41maybe I'm mistaken but there's nothing new here, just old pc stuff that's new to console.
My spendthrift nature is stopping me get one. I'll spend my gaming budget on some PC upgrades.
It will be intresting to see what future versions of PSSR on the PS6 can deliver. I may have to rethink where I game then.
I'm excited for the pro. I have already bought FF Rebirth. November 7 can not come fast enough.
Can't wait to get my hands on a pro sadly going to have to wait a little but I will get one
gotta wait for the good stuff sometimes!
Xbox Gamer. Got my PS5 Pro pre-order in at Playstation Direct. Got my disc drive and stand delivered.
I can already see articles saying, "Did Sony quietly start Next-Gen early?"
3rd Party games being this good makes me very Very optimistic. Dragons Dogma going from 20-30 fps’ to 53 fps is nuts. They even hit 120fps on one or two games. 2025 is going to be insane. Monster Hunter and Ghost of Yotei especially. Hoooot
DD2 was running mid 50s on the problematic areas, eg city's, so pretty much is gonna be 60 fps.
Wait so if games still run fidelity modes at 30FPS it's just running slightly better graphics on performance mode? I'm not understanding what you are trying to say on this one Lono.
watch the DF video for a better explanation, the hogwarts performance mode will use stuff from the quality mode on the pro... that's goal, combine both where possible
@@ReforgeGaming So it's about making performance mode look closer to fidelity mode and adding ray tracing and stuff to the 30FPS fidelity modes?
800 bucks for a console with no games
Lol 6-7 exclusives just this year.
@@ReforgeGaming soooo how many new games did they show off with their new console? Oh yeah zero 😂
@@TheDanimal91 he’s talking about games that we already played on our base ps5’s as if thats some sort of W… like dude WE ALREADY PLAYED THEM 😂 where are the NEW GAMES that actually take full advantage of this pro console? Not that im expecting a big difference between new games running on the pro vs base console, not with that same cpu lol. Games are getting like 10 extra frames, and you gotta pay double of what the ps5 cost just to experience that lol i dont understand how these guys can be so excited for that lol
@@duppypixels for real!!! If they had bloodborne remastered or something I'd be so pumped! But why am I excited about games I've already played! It's fucking ridiculous dude 😂😂😂
Pc is still beating the dogshit out of the peasant console generation 😂
I was not able to get a 30th anniversary edition pro but I got a ps5 pro so I’m happy with that super stoked to have a machine that’s able to get close to PC quality if not better in some games or matching.
Pro is more powerful than any pc on the market FOR THE PRICE
1st time seeing one of your videos. Absolutely brilliant take on everything. Liked and subscribed 👍🏻
Digital foundry just released their video. And they are impressed at the pro. A $700 console that plays current AAA games at upscaled 4k, 60 fps with ray tracing. The Pisser is gonna piss a lot of people. Prepare for a wave of salt and insecurities.
Yup. By PC gamers (not the ones with the top end cards, but the rest) and Xbox gamers alike.
I want that new gray controller bro it hurts!
yeah that gray is nice
Look, I get it's a mid-gen leap, but to be honest it's not really for me 100%. I have a PC so maybe that's why 🤷🏻♂️ I don't feel inclined to buy the Pro
i have had the same attitude about the new iphones for years, not all new tech is for everyone, i am still on an 11 pro
You seem to be one of the rare adults in the room😊
BREAKING NEWS! TH-cam commenters who never planned to buy PS5 Pro announce they aren't buying PS5 Pro... Lol
@joeXjoeX silence child, the adults are talking. If you knew me, the community, or was in our chats, you'd have seen i was initially planning to buy one
@@reggyskull528 Imagine not understanding how public comment sections work.
I appreciate your take and enthusiasm of the pro. Hope to get one if the scalpers don't get them all.
As a real one of course I preorder it today . Day one preorder , I hope for the day one delivery , because the ps5 even though I preordered it also , I was waiting 8 months .
I bought a ps 5 pro couldn’t be more happy
Happy about what? It’s not even out yet
Ow yeah... I remember how they said that the games would run at 60 fps on the ps4, then the games would run at 60 fps on the ps4 pro, then the games were going to play at 60 fps on the ps5 and now trust me bro the ps5 pro will run the games at 60 fps. Instead the games will now run at less then the usual 20 - 30 fps and will be compensated to 30 to 40 fps with their AI frame generation.
Edit> not saying some older games won't actually be running at 60fps, but the new ones won't.
Ps6 2029 i say. Ps5 pro will extend life cycle debelopers can do way more let's go and show us! :)
2028
@@Alien_isolationist still long time
i say 2028 at the latest
It’s going to split the market the normal PS5 and PS5 slim is going to hold the PRO models back just like the Xbox series s holds back the Xbox series X the same way the PS4 Pro held back the standard PS5 Sony is juggling multiple consoles and third parties are putting the same games on all of them not letting one over shine the other versions to much stop the FOMO!
PS5 isn't going to hold back PS5 pro... reason why the series s is holding back the series x is because of a memory bottle neck.. regular PS5 doesn't have that issue
I'm very tempted to get a PS5 Pro.
i hear ya
I think it’s a great call on the PS5 console generation being a long one. Just look at graphics cards. Even prior to the AI switch for nvidia, they are extending their product shelf life since the demand is so high for this next leap of AI infused graphics tech, there’s not much need as it can do so much more with less. And nvidia has held prices up and Sony has almost no competition for games anymore.
while I personally wont be buying one , I think its cool that Sony put their money where their mouth is and showed off the PS5 Pro to journalists and content creators in the space. Shows they were confident
To me, the PS5 Pro only makes sense if this console generation is going to last pretty much until the end of this decade. When you consider that the original PS5 wasn't even widely available at MSRP until 2023 AND that game development cycles have gotten so long that we haven't seen the kind of current-gen output we had in past generations (example: Mass Effect 5 isn't expected until 2029), this generation really SHOULD be longer than any that have come before. But if the PS6 is coming in, say, 2027, you may as well just wait for that. (Unfortunately, we obviously don't know when the PS6 is coming.)
This is for the people who got a ps5 right away though. I’ve had mine for a long time already and it’s got a lot of hours on it
Next gen isn’t coming till 2028/2029 so yeah plenty of years before a next gen is even here I’ve never had a ps5 but even if I did I would trade it in for this console in a heartbeat
The price is still way too high and the PS6 is way too close. The PS6 is what 3-4 years away? PC players aren’t going to jump ship to this and abandon their Steam libraries with all the PC exclusive games and have to start paying for online again. Even if the PS5 Pro is more powerful than your PC, you’re downgrading by switching to it because you lose so many games and access to mods.
If you bought a PS5 and you’re also buying this to upgrade then that is a LOT of money you’ve spent on one console generation. I live in Canada where the PS5 is $650 and the Pro is $960. So just over $1500 BEFORE taxes. That’s also without a disc drive or vertical stand. And then you still pay for online on top of that and still have to upgrade again when the PS6 comes out.
Even if you’re a console/Sony fan you’re better off just waiting for the PS6. If you’re not super attached to console then just save up a bit more money and get a powerful PC with more games, mods and no fee to play online. A smart consumer would choose one of those two options.
£825 (Pro + Disc Drive + Stand) - £400 (What I'm selling my four year old PS5 launch day model w/ 1TB SSD installed for) = £425. I have a disposable income of £900 a month. I already have a good PC, before you mention it.
I still have Rebirth, Stellar Blade & Spiderman 2 in my backlog (which are getting enhancements). I am looking forward to Death Stranding 2 & Ghost of Yotei (which will undoubtedly benefit, and not release on PC for a good year after PS5). Mileage may vary, but the upgrade is worth it to me for the next few years of PS gaming.
You can literally sell your current PS5 and get the Pro at a fraction of the cost. That's what I'm doing. Given the leaked court docs the PS6 is aiming for a 2028 release, that's at least 4 years. We still know very little about Sony's first party studios in those 4 years. 2025 alone is shaping up to be insane (Ghost of Yotei, Death Stranding 2, GTA VI [I know it's not first party but a huge game] etc...) and we know they have a bunch of back loaded games from 1st party but we have no release dates. I'd rather have the best console to play those games in the next 4 years that will carry me well into PS6's launch.
We're at the point of diminishing returns when it comes to graphic fidelity. The only leap we're likely to see is from Ray Tracing technology and AI upscaling which the PS5 Pro has so it is future proof in a sense, especially since AI upscaling will get better over time. It's hard to imagine the PS6 will be a HUGE leap over the PS5 Pro, but we'll see where the tech goes from here.
Yes I'll wait for ps6 too.
Bro. Sony is changing the game. Generations will be longer with more over lap. They said PS4 games will be getting made till 2028. 😂. My guess is that PS6 will come when the costs come down. They don't need a PS6.
Ps6 2028? Too far out. Need my FF7 rebirth with better performance now.
morning all
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@@ReforgeGamingthanks for all your awesome coverage all these years, Lono 😊 - I still love how you are unusually articulate and a true wordsmith and logical thinker. Plus, you are the only person I ever recall using the phrase, “it’s not winsome” - at one point in a past discussion - amazing vocab 👏!
Im just here commenting while waiting in a queue. Great video lono
thank you! same!
Excellent video Reforge
Thanks 👍
Dishing out $1,100 during one generation just for the consoles isn’t sustainable tbh.
tell that to folks who spend triple that on PCs or folks who buy iPhones for 1,000 every year
The pro is $700 where you getting $1100 from lol
@@Drahkir9 if you bought the PS5 and PS5 pro
@@ReforgeGaming that’s fair but the thing with phones is people pay them off over time. Will consoles start using that model?
I don't think it's even a leap all they did is overclock the 3700x from 2.8 to 2.85 and basically add a 3070 to it.
Lol no
If you love the closed platform model buy the PS5 Pro, if you want open platform with a competitive market on where games and hardware are cheap build a PC....I'v BUILT A PC for 780$ two times already from MICROCENTER using the most common gpu according to steam the RTX 3060. just wanted tht on record
You sound like those Street Racers who used to buy Hondas, put $100,000 into it and act like it's better than a Ferrari😂. The "Ferrari" is last 10 years while your little Frankenstein's PC built with parts not made for nor tested with each other will last 1-2 years MAX. The worst thing about building PC is that there is no "OEM" parts. I built PCs for 15 years, it's not worth it for just "Video Games", 4090s are for working Professionals in VFX. The RTX 3060 doesn't have AI cores or upscaling like the PS5 Pro. Your PC is not as good as a PS5 Pro.😂😂
@blackrahk2037 it can play ps1 and ps2 games natively. smh again, i was debunking tht you cant build a PC with the most common gpu according to steam. The 4090 is not common
But I thought they are charging people for these upgrades? They aren’t just patch updates
no, they don't charge for pro patches, they didnt on the ps4 pro and they arent for the ps5 pro either
i am confused with your headline..... the two things that became apparently clear from the preview event if you read between the lines.
The games which if the work is put into them will benefit with an uplift... mainly 1st party as it was stated there was some visual and performance boosts if catered to. but also if a game hasn't used the new tool set the std boost isn't really going to effect games that much so its really down to the 3rd party devs if they think redevolping a game to take advantage is really worth it financially but we shall see. Now that the series x can now be free from the shackles of the base PS5 we will see just how powerful the series x is as really the only advantage the PRO has is superior ray tracing which i still believe consoles should just ditch and focus on better frames at higher natuve resolutions as that's all we as gamers want from consoles. this will close the gap with performance vs PC.
and lastly it was pretty much confirmed that developers are looking forward to the PRO as they basically had admitted the base PS5 is garbage to develop for as it has too many restrictions.
Its not a mid gen leap at all so I'm not sure where you are getting that from.. all the pro is doing is having a slight advantage now with raw performance over the x but as we have seen some games just wont run at 60fps like the series x will.... the pro is still bottlenecked by the CPU and CPU intensive games will continue to struggle on the PRO.
I’m waiting for my pro. Unfortunately I could get the 30th edition (I’ll just look at my ps1 when I feel nostalgic lol)
Don't think it'll push the ps6 back because xbox is working on their new tech. But with lots of people still on ps4, the ps6 will probably have an ever slower start than the ps5 because people will just get a ps5 presuming that ps6 prices are going to be even higher
Xbox is dead as hell no one cares about an new Xbox. 😂😂😂😂😂
The PS6 isn’t coming till 2028/2029 and allot of PS4/PS4 pro users are jumping to the ps5 pro, I’ve literally have read thousands and thousands of comments on social media over the last year or more and they are making the jump
Man...seeing Aloy's face next to Tifa's is just...oh man...
lol touch grass weirdo
@@ReforgeGamingaw c'mon, you can't objectively tell me that one of them is much more pleasant to look at than the other? Really now?
A slight bump in graphical fidelity, bottlenecked by the same gpu as the base ps5 is not a Leap. I would call it a small hop.
didnt watch the video or listen to DF, just running with tired canned xbot talking points
I love it how ppl are comparing their mobile gaming devices to the very large stationary platform
lol why are they doing that?
@@ReforgeGaming lol in the chat 😂 comparing their $700 steamdeck to the $700 ps5 pro price 🤣 😂
I'm absolutely sold by the improvements especially looking at Forbidden West and Rebirth.
Looks like it'll be a struggle to get hold of one though
lol for sure!
I want to see madden 25 and ncaa 25 get that pro enhanced! :)
Ive got no rush to get a PS5 Pro, maybe in a year or two il get it
I'll probably have to wait till the scalpers get bored enjoy to those that do get one and please don't buy from scalpers!
I'm more worried for the future of PS5 base than I am about the PS5 Pro. 😬
why? the pro wont even come close to how many ps5 base units are being sold
@@ReforgeGaming No. I mean in terms of how these new games are going to perform. Some of the performance modes on these newer games look pretty bad by comparison. Very blurry images. It makes me not want to buy PS5 games unless I can afford a Pro and I'm not sure when that will be.
I'm really excited. I plan on pre ordering when I get paid
If you drink 2 five hour energies will you get 10 hours of energy or 5 hours of double energy ?
i dont know, dont test it out, it could hurt you
Interesting
Tldw:
F1 looks great (racers tend to)
Image was "less stable" in new mode
Horizon FW best image quality of show (nothing new)
Hogwarts legacy 30fps raytracing. Performance mode "looks better"
Ratchet and spiderman "devs are still learning hardware " or there's no big difference.
TLOU2 "a native 4k render you will not notice from typical viewing distance "
Ff7 Rebirth "unstable but worth it, pro enhanced targets 4k 60"
The crew another car game, frame drops were acknowledged
Demon souls "looks 4k?" But not actually.
Dragons Dogma 2, upscaled from 1080 P to reach 4k output and reach 56 fps. So um checkerboard but PSSR.
Select people (shills) were flown out to play on top end Sony TVs...hmm I'll wait for "real" feedback.
It's kinda sonys fault from the beginning because that PS5 Pro reveal was horrible. Goy my preorder though
I’ll just upgrade my PC. That way I won’t be stuck in the Sony ecosystem.
You pony
Mid gen indeed.
🤘 love it
Enjoy launch day my brother
No one calls it "Mon Hun"