President Mbeki has a very insightful address on Africa legacy reclamation and the threat to Democratic State in Africa. God bless this great thoughtful leader. A wonderful Good Office on the Continent.
That makes two of us. The majority of ANC morons hate him because they refuse and are lazy to think and operate at his level. Expect for few, most of ANC ministers are deadwood. Truth be told
Mbeki is not wise. The land issue is a historical injustice that needs redress. He knows that but he can not begin to accept that his opponent is fully championing it.
I weep at the prospect of the future that President Mbeki outlines because it is true. It truly saddens me because from our current options I don't see any party/ leader that can help change this expected outcome
MBHEKI at your age still don't want to stand for the truth and reality of Africa. I really respect CIC Malema for standing up for South Africa and Africa. Really there is something wrong that needs to be fixed by young African leaders. We need new CODESA
Mkhabela if the core of the struggle were properly and truly handled by the ANC like they did on Toilets "Whites only and black only" ngabe sithetha okwahlukile today so forget about the likes of Mbeki and face the reality.
No. Eskom approached Him about the issues that they had and they need to plan for the future. He dismissed them and he also admitted it that was his mistake. The Nuclear thing came up with Zuma. Mbeki was focusing on other stuff.
@Unknown007_10 Eskom was authorised to start building Khusile in 2004, and work only started in 2007, why? That is the question he is asking, and I am saying he must answer that.
My view brother.maybe you benefited from his reign as president. people credit his presidency for free education lol that man announces free education on his last day of a Anc presidency's..he destroyed scorpions.beside what Thabo just explain., look at state of other local government under him.its shameful... he was that leader who lead us to corrupted state...that's fact he did without white molopody.i am shameful I voted for him in two term's😢 @FreeAAtLast
Eye opening talk by Thabo Mbeki, however, the comment made by the last panelist, was uncalled for..... the party that brought freedom also brought chaos
Zuma must just speak, he has been threatening 2 spill the beans yhooo when wil he spill them? Empty threats. We do nit know those secrets but we know zuptas looted the public purse & u also know that is not a secret. Pliz share with us we want 2 know
@@ntsikeleloedwardvena82 Do you know the Gupta.story? Do you remember that Thabo was buddy budy with those guys even attended the wedding and boasted about it.
Stop dreaming your MK President its been a long time threatening people that he will speak all those dark secrets,dont forget your MK President always read wrong and give us wrong numbers ,its been a long time get a chance and speak
President Ramaphisa has called on every legend for the ANC to offer advice to improve the ANC. I will always vote for the ANC regardless of the PAIN of Polokwane. But South Africans still need to understand time changes. we are in the big trun around now and President Ramaphosa has the pressure to solve all these issues. President Zumas tenure in the ANC was a disastor
lve always admire Cde Mbeki’s intellectual honesty but on this one lm left wondering why he got this one so shabby. Not one of his finest moments. l guess electioneering got the better of him and may be his Polokwane wound hasn’t fully healed.
After listening to the president, I think here we have a person who would have been the best candidate for the chair, African Union. He's more informed.
Mr. President, if you think the Geotec work was that bad, equivalent to treason by these companies. What did you do to remedy or fine these companies and get back the money? I dont hear you taking action to correct but theory.
He was already a lame duck President of the country who was powerless to make any decisive action on the trajectory of the matters of the country, that power was rested with the Polokwane ANC leadership led by Zuma.
Address or presentation by TM Mbeki in my opinion, is always backed up substantiated research(scientic) and not rhetoric. So if you are a politician who does not read reports,academic papers, comparative analysis of what is happening in RSA and beyond ,you will always be found wanting. I wonder how many of us have read his references. Politics is a science,it must continually be studied.
Thank you president Mbeki for this insightful engagement which has been a real englightment for me in many aspects. As for the congolese matter, i think you do not master the complexity of the problem.. Congolese never had any issue living with the Banyamulenge until Kagame and its crew gunned down both the Burundi and Rwandan president and started the genocide to destabilise the eastern part of the DRC. The same international powers who supported Kagame's genecide to control the central part of africa, are with him today to loot mineral resources in the eastern congo.
If the president is saying he knows people in high places as far to access a report in the president's office. Why such resources were not available when the monitoring was not done. 2. What was the report of the Internal Audit saying, what was the audit committee and Board saying? What was the then SOE minister saying?
Mr. President, in age 1 the Government leadership was mixed, IFP, NP, ANC etc. The Chinese Government and other business opportunist saw South Africa as a new market to exploit since we had not much sactions. Age 2, Cabinet changes were glaring. The so called investors held back because of uncertainty as result capital investment in textile industry dropped. Around 2005,2006 and up lot of retrenchments were experienced in this textile sector. As i type, when you visit some homes you will see certificates on walls where our parents had 15 years of experience in textile but the government failed to obsorb such a skill base resulting in unemployed people but have skill. The so called support from china to uplift the sector technologically was just a decoy as they r still over crowding this sector.
The reason why the plan didn't take off is that SA didn't play their part. (Same group that didn't want our democracy to survive, I mean those who destroyed SARS and eskom, made sure that China's plan to assist SA Clothing manufacturing sector fails.
Don't let them play you and come with terms like it's people that wanted to destroy Stars and our democracy. Call them by the rightful name it's the ANC. And don't let TM try to divide the ANC into different versions. It's one ANC responsible for all these issues. What they are doing now is coming up with ANC1, ANC2, ANC .....
Mr Mbeki, plse tell the country what did Eskom say to in 1997, 1999 and lastly in 2002. Why did you only mandated Eskom to build in 2004? NB: You cannot full everyone at all times.
President Mbeki should tell us about how he didn't implement the recommendations of the 1998 White Paper on Energy Policy that warned about a looming lack of electricity supply by 2007. So the argument about power station managers not replenishing stockpiles is a pile of deception.
That's what we know about the ANC not what we are seeing now since 2007 after Polokwane conference today our country is not moving forward only we hear promises not actions I hope the next adm that is coming it will build to the first stage that the Dr mentioned that the former president informed us about I'm hoping that those that will be in gorvement of the the coming adm WI take us forwad❤❤😂😂
The problem is not about the people who didn't like our democracy, but the issue is the ANC leadership that didn't teach people about leadership. Even today you hear a lot of mediocrity from people who bought qualifications which has the fundamentals in DECISION MAKING. Eventually, people are worse than in 1994 when it comes to deciding. How can a DEMOCRATICALLY country turn back to AUTHORITARIAN REGIME and agree with that? The party that belongs to one MAN standing.
Is former president in agreement with Malema ,By saying Our country is on the road to be under the leadership of private sector and NGO's. Also i was hoping to hear him about the mushrooming of independent candidates. If he is asked to come back to lead the country is he available or is he at the moment mentoring members of his party to lead this country we love .
-good riddance said Mavuso Msimang of ex president Zuma - ex president Thabo Mbeki articulate & allude to Zuma's not wise but cunning ways to distract inclusive,progressive renewal of the ANC MOVEMENT!!!
This guy closed all skill based institutions. Then they recruited foreigners claiming South Africa has no skills. You guys must stop this empty reasoning. You are so gullible.
@@bongimtshali7719 how many was absorbed by "university" compared to what skills would have effectively equipped students/youth and eventually curb unemployment??? You guys are reasoning like primary school learners...
Pure lies this guy only made it possible for high classes groups like yoslf clever black and whites not for us ordinary black people even students were dying In numbers in camps bcos of been denied the opportunity of receiving ARVs .
Shame south Africans, the problem is that you don't want to listen and analyze things we always uses our stomach to think, if you listen to this you can see what is coming our way. Politics is not for everyone those who don't understand it will remain poor people are jumping up and down saying we are going to vote for so and so but what they don't know is that they are digging their graves.we need to put aside this thing of who is campaigning for what and listen carefully. Thank you Mr President for trying to open our minds.
@@bonganimtshali1505 😂😂😂😂😂 he opened your mind ??? Yooo South Africa has a long way to freedom. Did this guy say something about nationalisation of land, mines n banks? Do you know that these are the reason for all this MK/Zuma ranting...
Zuma is not a 2000 he even being a president, why he stand up now.open your eyes don't just follow the the man, something is coming no freedom here .what is going to happen is what see in some African states, endless wars and poverty.if you are not working by now and think by your vote you gonna get something just forget.
@@thembilephikiso392 msunu wokufundiseka, losers close thr ears, rest of us speak, like mbheki is tlkng abt othrs. Ungaphenduli wesfundiswa. ngizobona kuwe.
In age one when he had a 2/3 majority, what did he do for the previously disadvantaged people?? What did he do to improve and build new infrastructure?
You wish, Propaganda is not going to work in this age, there is too much source of information. It might have worked the ANC previously it definitely not going to work for the MK. MK is trying by all means to use propaganda for example there is a trending video which states that the MK has 60 Million members which we all know that it is impossible, There are other claims of 4 Million all these are not true as there is no evident to this but everything is going to be a bit clear after the election who is MK.
Cde Harry Gwala warned the ANC about Zuma but the leadership never listened. He used to call him impunga yehlathi. He is part of those who infiltrated the ANC.
Thabo Mbeki is a snake where was he when pres Zuma was ill-treated. And eventually thrown in jail why he didn't talk at that time now that pres Zuma has left the anc and formed mk party he begins to talk he thinks he's an angel please Who could stand that rubbish of anc and criminal Raphala phala
Uphambene wena Mbeki doesn't owe that hooligan from Nkandla anything. The audacity to expect Mbeki to intervene on behalf of a criminal who humiliated him in polokwane and went on to loot the state. You need a mental check up.
Mr Bheki has said a lot of truth but when coming to the freedom charter it must be reviewed, how does it adresses issues of the past especially land. On this one I dont agree with Mr Bheki
Strange how much of what is being said we need to do, is what the Multi Party Charter has been saying. They may not all be from the same tribes and camps, but they understand it more than the ANC does. Now we have to once again deal with the same ordeal of barbarism of the Zuma camp telling us if they don’t get a 2/3 majority there will be no vote at all. So many people have been silenced. Hopefully, these types of conversations continue. Maybe it would have been more opportune if such matters were more transparent. But here we are. An interesting, albeit tough time ahead for us as South Africans. May all of us prosper or may the odds be ever more in your favour.
The thing with the multi-party for me is that they are pro-privatization and the former President has just touched on what I have always said, privatization will not address inequality in our country, they will drive off and leave many of our families behind. Look at these pro-privatization countries like your US, life is hard because private runs the country, mental health is high, people are made to be robots......this country still needs the ANC, DA and EFF will not help the masses. I mean we say we struggle in SA, go to any other African country and see the real struggle. There's certain things the ANC government has done in the past that still cushions the masses from advocating for a regime change.....I am one that has managed to make it out of poverty because of what the government has done in the past and I don't want to be complacent because I have a good life, many more people must make it out and private will not do that, the agendas are different.
Ungazohlanyela uZuma. Zuma is speaking nationalisation of land and mines hence you see all these sellouts on him like this. Manje ngoba nilele... You will suffer and the generations to come...
Idenge Lexi,ilima maybe bafuze their father's like really Zuma is talking about Land,has he ever implemented that while ephethe,angasinyeli thina,ngoba onke lamasimba ahambe ewakhuluma,amohlula engu Mongameli we ANC for two terms and taking decisions as he wishes with Guptas haa😮
@siyathembasiazmatshaya7074 and kuyathusa ukuthi there's an SIU report that was kept under the carpet when he was president in 2017,yet he is busy telling us abt the "sellouts",the BIGGEST SELLOUT IS HIM
He cant even say a word about Phala Phala,nothing about sealed bank statements, nothing about 1 bn to buy the ANC Pres position.Lost respect in this man.
Do you even have the context of this discussion? Do you understand what a panel is? Do you understand that these are responses to questions that were raised in this session? If you’re seeking relevance, atleast come with informed points. Suphapha apha!
I am really intrigued by Mbeki's analysis on the war in Eastern Congo. It's evident his relationship with Kagame has changed his view on who to blame. Banyamulenge were given congolese citizens by the late President Mobutu. However these Banyamulenge as you called them never showed loyalty to Congo. In 2006 you Mbeki and Olusoguno Obasonjo were all present when the actual congolese constitution was drafted and made approved and those Banyamulenge were the only tribe from the 445 tribes benefited from it. If from all tribes in congo claimed being marginalised does tha mean all have to take weapons and to kill other tribes. For your information Mr Mbeki, the Belgian never declared to have any contact with Banyarwanda when they consulted tribes chiefs. Don't tarnish your reputation for spreading wrongful messages. You are wrong and your friendship with Kagame has made you speak lies. I am very disappointed with you.
It's a big shame for a respectable african leader like him for giving in public false informations about DRC. I'm very disappointed wìth his statement ... He didn't even condemned the rwandese aggression in DRC.
He is saying the truth that most of Congolese and Belgium knows but don’t want to hear.I don’t know about Banyamurenge but what I have learned in history is about Tutsi’s located in North kivu.By continuing to deny them your country is risking to loose that part of north kivu that belonged to Rwanda before.Watch them taking Goma and I think this time they will not give up like in 2012.The Man u hear is one in many that refused the corruption of your gvmnt and decided to speak the truth no matter what
Hei waze wanya umuntu nx usuthengiwe vele😢 f him...this shows ukuthi life of the ANC is hanging by a thread and this one here is trying to put it together...mnxm i m voting MK.
Who said don't vote mk? Ubani uthi ungavodeli imk?? Vote for your mk. What Mbeki said is when people vote, they should no excetly know who they are voting for. AND HE IS ALSO STATING THE FACTS. AND THE GOOD THING ABOUT WHAT HE SAID, IT IS KNOW AND IS ON RECORDS BLACKAND WHITE. A FOOL WILL NOT BELIEVE IT. AND UNFORTUNATE PART OF WHAT HE IS SAYING IS TRUE AND CONSISTENT WITH WHAT BRIAN MOLEFE SAID ABOUT. AND I WILL ADVICE AND URGE YOU TO GET THE INTERVIEW BY SAKINA ON SABC2 MORNINGLIVE. THE ANC YOUTH LEAGUE HE REFERSTO THE ANCYL OF MZWANDILE AND THE FORMER ANCYL FROM NORTHWEST, WHOM GUPTAS BOUGHT HIM A HOUSE. WE AS SOUTHAFRICAN CITIZENS WE ARE NOT STUPID ENOUGH NOT TO SEE THE TRUTH. WE ARE GOING TO VOTE FORTHE ANC NOT OF RAMAPHOSA BUT OF THE PEOPLE. UBUTHO WA BANTU. NOT OF INDIVIDUAL.
Hamba mfo Ka Dlamini the grandfather of La Chonco, I mean his ex husband is waiting for your vote and die coz is old enough to lead this country,we gave him 8 years. After 80 years by nature nothing else you have to do than dying.
It's rather regressive and disingenuous for President Mbeki to claim that the Youth League led by Malema wasn't truly ANC-aligned. He conveniently overlooks the parallels with Lembede's Youth League, where even Mandela advocated for unpopular policies. Mbeki's excessive praise for Mandela's era conveniently ignores this contradiction. Mbeki's reputation is inflated, and he tends to lie without consequences. Unfortunately, his audience often lacks the necessary context to question his statements, accepting them unquestioningly as gospel truth.
Thank you. This guy gets away with every nonsense... I don't know what is wrong with south Africans. Now he's sent to come out to lie and confuse people. It's not all of us who are stupid anymore
Of course it wasn't aligned. On the land issue, the ANC drew from the 'Freedom Charter' , "the land shall belong to all those who work it". The expulsion of malema was inevitable because not only did he disagree with the ANCs posture, he publicly opposed it and humiliated the leadership as he did so. Julius was never ANC 'material ' to begin with; he was after personal gratification. Getting expelled from the ANC was the best thing to happen to him.
I feel very sorry for the black community this coming elections. 1)We all have to accept that this country will be ruled by means of Coalition and we all know that who will suffer after all. 2) parties that will get more votes that will drag the country back are the most trusted parties(ANC,EFF and MK) these parties trust me will be looking forward to work together to continue with corruption and protecting cadres,If you dnt trust Zuma,you dnt have to trust Malema and Cyril vice versa(Ramaphosa is on the books of White Monopoly,we all Know that Zuma is standing on the right side of Gupta's that I believe are funding MK right now,while we have noisy flip floping Malema ready to have tea with either of the two leaders. 3)Parties that could make SA better(ActionSa,Inkatha or Patriotic Alliance but these parties are less funded by amasela. 4)Then we have other black votes that will be scattered to all these small useless AiMS,MTN,BOSA,Good Party and will cost the black community while white votes will go to DA and Freedom Front plus,as well few to ActionSA. But trust me ANC,EFF and MK it's about destroying the black ppl and self care. Just follow Malema when he was still at ANC youth league how he destroyed Polokwane municipality with unfinished temders for his friends,VBS scandal is all known,even today Malema hardly talks about Limpopop when is campaigning but is from Limpopo, because they know him there. Phala phala weeeee i have mo words just same as state capture of Zuma and his Shenanigans today some of us see him as a saint😮😢while he just wants to evenge to Ramaphosa and Zuma has no power for politics he is too old but is fighting his personal battles using his followers,just imagine led by a person who is 82 years old,where is he leading you to?
After u have ryt all this nonsense clever black who is benefitting from the mystery of yo fellow blacks that y u are writing this to mislead us pls we have a ryt to make our own choices and express ourselves but choosing hu ever we want. Pls dnt try to tell us what to do keep yo opinion to yoslf bcos it obvious u are choosing the west.
Mr. President mmm, a decision is taken in 2004 to build a power station and only the building start in 2007, 3 years later. You say, it is not clear from the Eskom reports that you see on the internet. Where were you kanti? What was report to you by the people in high places foe the delay in project implementation? Nakhu kudlalwa ngathi eminika bha.
Mr Tambo mbeki ad president of SA, if you dont know the realy history of KongoZaire in liftwally please keek quit and seach a little more bevor you may made an statement on this case. There is no ethnic groupe named tutsi in KongoZaire as the banyamulenge groupe is simply fantasicall nomination.
Dear Former President, CONCERNING THE SITUATION IN DRC, your explanation is simply SUPERFICIAL and misleading people. Even if it was the way you put it (that Banya Mulenge are not accepted in DRC), does that entitle a foreigner president (kagame) to back and support these Banya Mulenge to rebel "in their sovereign country" ??? Do you know that DRC has 9 borders and you find the same situation in each border (where you have the same people/tribe on both sides of the border") ? So, the president of Zambia should back the Ba Bembas, the president of Angola should back the Bakongo, the president of Congo Brazzaville should back the Bateke? The President of CAR should back the Bangbandi, etc. ??? Is this how African leaders shall solve problems? To make a long story short: - (1) During Mobutu era there was peace in the eastern part of DRC, the presidents of the 3 countries (Mobutu of ZAIRE/DRC, Habyarimana of Rwanda and Ntaryamira of Burundi) were great friends and had an organization called CEPGL. Mobutu even had a chief of staff who was a Tutsi whose name was BISENGIMANA. Mobutu, advised by this man, granted the Congolese nationality to all the Tutsi and Hutus who were living in Zaire. They were then known as BANYA RWANDA (BANYA MULENGE did not exist then; it's a name created NOT LONG AGO) ; - (2) The problem started with American Presidents (Reagan, Bush, BILL CLINTON...) who, after the COLD WAR, decided to dismantle USSR (Russia), to end the influence of France in Africa, to overthrown Mobutu and partition ZAIRE /DRC by creating a new country dominated by Tutsis who would give them natural resources easily (as they did with Libya and Sudan...); - (3) It is known that Americans put Museveni (Uganda) and Kagame in power, then use these two with other African countries to overthrown Mobutu. They used Kabila as a puppet and wanted afterwards to control him and the mines of the country. They started killing Congoleses and stealing a lot of wealth of DRC, and Kabila did not accept that, that is why they killed him. The "Mayi-Mayi Group" that you mentioned were just reacting to many killings that were ordered by the invaders. They did not start it, they were reacting. (4) As Congoleses resisted to that plan, Americans made a new plan that brought Congoleses in Sun City (South Africa) where they imposed Tutsis from Rwanda as generals in the Congolese army (and some of them had to be in position ONLY IN THE KIVU REGION - THEY DON'T WANT TO SERVE IN ANY OTHER PROVINCE OF DRC, ONLY IN KIVU - Such thing can be done in South Africa by any soldier or official ???); Not to mention that the DRC suffered from a disguised embargo for several years, imposed by the UN Security Council, while more than 20,000 UN troops with an annual budget of more than 1 billion dollars were there JUST TO KEEP THE CHAOS going ahead (Can you imagine that the UN General Secretary did not hesitate to declare URBI ET ORBI that the M 23 was more powerful than the Blue Helmets, and that he did not know where these powerful weapons were coming from? - (5) BEFORE THE COMING OF KAGAME IN POWER, HAve you ever heard that Congolese were chasing BANYA RWANDA out of DRC? Do we have to inform you that when FELIX TSHISEKEDI came in power he went to meet Kagame and proposed him to put an end to this chaotic situation peacefully through COOPERATION and diverse BILATERAL AGREEMENTS, but Kagame betrayed him by continuing to support M23 ?? You mentioned the Kenyan former president UHURU who was appointed as Mediator between Congolese Government and all the local armed groups, didn't he tell you which group left the Talks to start war??? You mentioned the East African Community army, but you also seem to not MASTER THE ROOTS of the problem. DRC joined this community recently as FELIX TSHISEKEDI was looking ways to bring bacak peace in the entire region. But once again, Tshisekedi was betrayed by some leaders of this community influenced by Americans. Do you know how the current president of Kenya, William RUTO was portraying Congoleses before he came in power ??? If you find out, then you will understand what happened. In addition to that, RUTO was invited in Wasington and was BRAINWASHED!!! Speaking of SADC intervention, we all know that Angola had also to be part of it Initially. Why did they change and did not join anymore? If you check, you will see that the president of Angola was invited in Washington and the US State Secretary visited him in Angola prior tot the formation of the SADC forces. Mr. President Thabo Mbeki, I can go on and on, but I have to make the long story short. FOR YOUR INFORMATION, A FORMER PRIME MINISTER OF RWANDA DECLARED OPENLY THAT EVEN IN THE TIME OF MOBUTU, WHILE THEY WERE IN CEPGL, THEY WERE SECRETLY AIMING TO OCCUPY THE KIVU REGION. KAGAME HIMSELF SAID IT RECENTLY THAT THE PROBLEM WAS NOT M23, THE PROBLEM WAS TO REDEFINE THE BORDERS. Ask your assistants, they will find these videos online on TH-cam. IN CONCLUSION, THE REAL, DEEP PROBLEM IS NOT BANYAMULENGE WHO WERE LIVING PEACEFULLY IN DRC FOR DECADES AS YOU MENTIONED (THEY WERE NEVER IN DANGER BEFORE KAGAME), THE PROBLEM IS THE LAND AND THE MINERAL RESOURCES OF DRC THAT MULTINATIONALS WANT TO CONTROL VIA KAGAME.
One thing that I'll always love about Thabo Mbeki is his love for the continent. We share that. I think he's the smartest we've ever had.
I think I should start reading this reports to have a better understanding of one South Africa, great words by our leader Dr Thabo Mbeki
President Mbeki has a very insightful address on Africa legacy reclamation and the threat to Democratic State in Africa. God bless this great thoughtful leader. A wonderful Good Office on the Continent.
Enkosi Camagu, Dr. Mbeki, for leading Education. Power to the eternal Fite 🔥 of Democracy
If Mbeki could come back for the presidency I would vote for the ANC, but as of now I don't think there is any in the ANC who deserves my vote 😢
That makes two of us. The majority of ANC morons hate him because they refuse and are lazy to think and operate at his level. Expect for few, most of ANC ministers are deadwood. Truth be told
I usually tell people that the last president we had was Mbeki
Pres. Mbeki firing missiles with the calmest demeanour ever😂😂
Educational Indeed
My ever favorites President, you always speak sense, truth and with honestly. Wish you could somehow come back and save South Africa.
Never perfect indeed still the best President of the Republic of South Africa we ever had...
Agree 10,000,000 %
He NEVER was a best president not unless you are fast asleep... And he always discouraged nationalisation of mine and banks. Why?
Listening is very important and analyzing. Sometimes we have to accept the reality and not taking things personally.
Absolutely 💯
Eish I must start reading. 😂😂😂. When ever he says "I believe we have read it", I 😂
🤣🤣🤣I choked
Mbeki is a wise man listen to him not with chest, his always on point his making sense though.
Mbeki is not wise. The land issue is a historical injustice that needs redress. He knows that but he can not begin to accept that his opponent is fully championing it.
Great leaders of our time and season.Analysing issues as it is on the ground. Food for thought.
I weep at the prospect of the future that President Mbeki outlines because it is true. It truly saddens me because from our current options I don't see any party/ leader that can help change this expected outcome
A GOOD leader and Pan Africanist, long live president Mbeki
President Mbeki giving us referenced facts without being emotional, and as a democratic country people will interpret his speech in their own way. .
MBHEKI at your age still don't want to stand for the truth and reality of Africa. I really respect CIC Malema for standing up for South Africa and Africa. Really there is something wrong that needs to be fixed by young African leaders. We need new CODESA
He doesn't stand for your truth. Not the truth, per say.
Mkhabela if the core of the struggle were properly and truly handled by the ANC like they did on Toilets "Whites only and black only" ngabe sithetha okwahlukile today so forget about the likes of Mbeki and face the reality.
What are you talking about?
You gave a mandate to build power stations in 2004, eskom only start in 2007, why was Eskom not held accountable??
No. Eskom approached Him about the issues that they had and they need to plan for the future. He dismissed them and he also admitted it that was his mistake. The Nuclear thing came up with Zuma. Mbeki was focusing on other stuff.
@Unknown007_10 Eskom was authorised to start building Khusile in 2004, and work only started in 2007, why? That is the question he is asking, and I am saying he must answer that.
Former President his not honest ,
Listen with your ears not with your heart
He is very honest. What are you listening to?
@octobermine, people who do not read and don't understand the process of government will dispute you. Just let them be
Listening is a skill that not everyone possesses Mr. October
He only thinks of himself
TM has always been head and shoulders above the rest. We are blessed to count him among us.
Talk Mr president, tell the truth, South Africa was affected on the 2nd stage.
Zuma was the worse president ...he will never get my vote with his Mk
Alishode elakho sellout weather u vote for Mk or not it won't make any difference. Relax mkhulu
We don't need your vote. Take it to your comrades sellouts and selfhates.
Osela lelo,umntu oJola no La Chonco abancan just imagine you were born 1942 and usithathaphi isibindi sojola nengana Ka 1991?😮
Okay don't vote mk, but are you saying he was the worst president? Mhm your thinking capacity is challanged big time
My view brother.maybe you benefited from his reign as president. people credit his presidency for free education lol that man announces free education on his last day of a Anc presidency's..he destroyed scorpions.beside what Thabo just explain., look at state of other local government under him.its shameful... he was that leader who lead us to corrupted state...that's fact he did without white molopody.i am shameful I voted for him in two term's😢 @FreeAAtLast
What a speech?Informative and thought provoking.
Eye opening talk by Thabo Mbeki, however, the comment made by the last panelist, was uncalled for..... the party that brought freedom also brought chaos
We do not what to know who you are voting for. We do not care.
Why were the Geotechnicians not held accountable, Mr. President under your leadership?
Best president of SA...
From which source?
From South Africans
@@ntsikeleloedwardvena82 I thought I was a South African too
So you are a reliable source & better placed. You know everything more than anyone as you benefited from the LOOT
This is the best nosensical comment I have seen in this video. Congratulations for coming up with this nosense
Thabo Mbeki has so many dark secrets that Zuma knows about him. If Zuma can tell it as it is, he will have heart. Thanks JZ is a gentleman.
Zuma must just speak, he has been threatening 2 spill the beans yhooo when wil he spill them? Empty threats. We do nit know those secrets but we know zuptas looted the public purse & u also know that is not a secret. Pliz share with us we want 2 know
@@ntsikeleloedwardvena82 Do you know the Gupta.story? Do you remember that Thabo was buddy budy with those guys even attended the wedding and boasted about it.
I'm sure you love gentlemen like him...possibly you are like him too😂😂😂
Stop dreaming your MK President its been a long time threatening people that he will speak all those dark secrets,dont forget your MK President always read wrong and give us wrong numbers ,its been a long time get a chance and speak
Did he loot the public purse & created mess in our country. Certainly not & zupta messed up during the 9 wasted years
President Ramaphisa has called on every legend for the ANC to offer advice to improve the ANC. I will always vote for the ANC regardless of the PAIN of Polokwane. But South Africans still need to understand time changes. we are in the big trun around now and President Ramaphosa has the pressure to solve all these issues. President Zumas tenure in the ANC was a disastor
My opinion exactly
lve always admire Cde Mbeki’s intellectual honesty but on this one lm left wondering why he got this one so shabby. Not one of his finest moments. l guess electioneering got the better of him and may be his Polokwane wound hasn’t fully healed.
After listening to the president, I think here we have a person who would have been the best candidate for the chair, African Union. He's more informed.
Mr. President, if you think the Geotec work was that bad, equivalent to treason by these companies. What did you do to remedy or fine these companies and get back the money? I dont hear you taking action to correct but theory.
He was already a lame duck President of the country who was powerless to make any decisive action on the trajectory of the matters of the country, that power was rested with the Polokwane ANC leadership led by Zuma.
How is he supposed to? He hold no power?
Yoh 😢 Angisazii… I don’t know anymore
Reality
Not possible but I wish you take back presldensy
Presidency for someone who doesn't want black people to own the land? What is wrong with black people?
mbeki became Rwanda Agent around the world
Good to hear this
Address or presentation by TM Mbeki in my opinion, is always backed up substantiated research(scientic) and not rhetoric. So if you are a politician who does not read reports,academic papers, comparative analysis of what is happening in RSA and beyond ,you will always be found wanting.
I wonder how many of us have read his references. Politics is a science,it must continually be studied.
Good leader
This is the Thabo Mbeki I know
a nosense talker
@@FreeAAtLast better than you though
He reads for details and does not rely on noise around the streets for information. * Hail Mbeki,* He's too big a mind to be understood by many.
@@rayex9750 and much much better than you
Thank you president Mbeki for this insightful engagement which has been a real englightment for me in many aspects. As for the congolese matter, i think you do not master the complexity of the problem.. Congolese never had any issue living with the Banyamulenge until Kagame and its crew gunned down both the Burundi and Rwandan president and started the genocide to destabilise the eastern part of the DRC. The same international powers who supported Kagame's genecide to control the central part of africa, are with him today to loot mineral resources in the eastern congo.
greatest president in our time in S.A
What was so great that he did? I keep hearing he was great, but no one explains why?
Zuma was the worst thing to ever happen to our democracy 😢
Talk your talk Mr President
Truth be told.
The white monopoly capital commanded him to campaign for the anc. This one is very weak
Unlike his brother who left ANC long ago!
Yes, and very soon,Andrew, you will learn to never trust a comrade 😂
Do you know and understand, what is "white monopoly capital"?? Or you happen to like the term?🤔🤔
@@PhumeleleSibeko-lu4czplease enlighten us wat does it stand for?
Mnxiiiiiiiiim
merci Thabo Mbeki
Udakiwe uNogqawuza. Vele ba good to be Sell out
The biggest sellout.
If the president is saying he knows people in high places as far to access a report in the president's office. Why such resources were not available when the monitoring was not done. 2. What was the report of the Internal Audit saying, what was the audit committee and Board saying? What was the then SOE minister saying?
Zizi my president ❤
Intellectually fascinating engagement
@Botsang,WOW,what a question
This is painful.
Criminals are in that MK Party bloody rebels
The criminal is right in your face right now. The guy doesn't even want you black ppl to own the land. How did his wife become a billionaire?
@@Coco-kw3iv yhuuuu uyayithetha ikaka
Vula amaCala phela sifuna ukuwabona ejele lamaCriminals okhuluma ngawo
Mr. President, in age 1 the Government leadership was mixed, IFP, NP, ANC etc. The Chinese Government and other business opportunist saw South Africa as a new market to exploit since we had not much sactions.
Age 2, Cabinet changes were glaring. The so called investors held back because of uncertainty as result capital investment in textile industry dropped. Around 2005,2006 and up lot of retrenchments were experienced in this textile sector. As i type, when you visit some homes you will see certificates on walls where our parents had 15 years of experience in textile but the government failed to obsorb such a skill base resulting in unemployed people but have skill. The so called support from china to uplift the sector technologically was just a decoy as they r still over crowding this sector.
It was 1995, 1996 not 2005,2006
The reason why the plan didn't take off is that SA didn't play their part. (Same group that didn't want our democracy to survive, I mean those who destroyed SARS and eskom, made sure that China's plan to assist SA Clothing manufacturing sector fails.
Don't let them play you and come with terms like it's people that wanted to destroy Stars and our democracy. Call them by the rightful name it's the ANC. And don't let TM try to divide the ANC into different versions. It's one ANC responsible for all these issues. What they are doing now is coming up with ANC1, ANC2, ANC .....
Ubaba uMbheki ngiyazibuza ukuthi uzohlaba bani ngeEskom ngoba washo ukuthi uMolefe wayeyiphethe kahle iEskom futhi ngesosikhathi uMengameli ibinguZuma
Mr Mbeki, plse tell the country what did Eskom say to in 1997, 1999 and lastly in 2002. Why did you only mandated Eskom to build in 2004?
NB: You cannot full everyone at all times.
These people are taken already. Mbeki is sent to come and confuse people
U@@Coco-kw3ivCould it be that u''ve always been confused..? I think so
@@ronnieviti455 stupid
ANC must tryn Joel Netshtende as president
President Mbeki should tell us about how he didn't implement the recommendations of the 1998 White Paper on Energy Policy that warned about a looming lack of electricity supply by 2007. So the argument about power station managers not replenishing stockpiles is a pile of deception.
Thabo Mbheki where is that SIU Report? And why is CODESA not public document?
But why that is an issue for one individual? He was not ANC neither was he all parties engaging in CODESA for new South Africa.
nice question
That's what we know about the ANC not what we are seeing now since 2007 after Polokwane conference today our country is not moving forward only we hear promises not actions I hope the next adm that is coming it will build to the first stage that the Dr mentioned that the former president informed us about I'm hoping that those that will be in gorvement of the the coming adm WI take us forwad❤❤😂😂
Truth be told
It is sad to see someone of your calibre biased. Read in Praise of Blood and you will understand the Great Lakes region conflict.
The problem is not about the people who didn't like our democracy, but the issue is the ANC leadership that didn't teach people about leadership. Even today you hear a lot of mediocrity from people who bought qualifications which has the fundamentals in DECISION MAKING. Eventually, people are worse than in 1994 when it comes to deciding. How can a DEMOCRATICALLY country turn back to AUTHORITARIAN REGIME and agree with that? The party that belongs to one MAN standing.
Is former president in agreement with Malema ,By saying Our country is on the road to be under the leadership of private sector and NGO's. Also i was hoping to hear him about the mushrooming of independent candidates. If he is asked to come back to lead the country is he available or is he at the moment mentoring members of his party to lead this country we love .
Live MK and Zuma, please.
Tell your Mercia Zuma to also live the ANC cos he can't hold even 1 rally without talking about the anc and Ramaphosa
-good riddance said Mavuso Msimang of ex president Zuma - ex president Thabo Mbeki articulate & allude to Zuma's not wise but cunning ways to distract inclusive,progressive renewal of the ANC MOVEMENT!!!
You will never get your land back... Black south Africans are fools of special note
He never mentioned that he was no longer an ANC member.
When was Mbeki no longer a member of the ANC
You are his branch secretary?
Eskom problems started in 1997 when you were a DP, not in 2008. You are the cause of Eskom's failures of today.
Informative
Needs to read those
But the oudacity to discredit your own and favor the oppression of our economy is unbelievable. Since 1994 it been stage 1, which is the ANC.
JZ is not my favourite guy but Mbeki today is talking rubbish
When he was president we were recruited by companies from university.
This guy closed all skill based institutions. Then they recruited foreigners claiming South Africa has no skills. You guys must stop this empty reasoning. You are so gullible.
@@Coco-kw3iv it doesn't change my truth and others .
@@bongimtshali7719 how many was absorbed by "university" compared to what skills would have effectively equipped students/youth and eventually curb unemployment??? You guys are reasoning like primary school learners...
Pure lies this guy only made it possible for high classes groups like yoslf clever black and whites not for us ordinary black people even students were dying In numbers in camps bcos of been denied the opportunity of receiving ARVs .
When is Msholozi engaging the students 😂😂😂😂
President is campaigning for the ANC
He is campaign for the criminals now?😂
Shame south Africans, the problem is that you don't want to listen and analyze things we always uses our stomach to think, if you listen to this you can see what is coming our way. Politics is not for everyone those who don't understand it will remain poor people are jumping up and down saying we are going to vote for so and so but what they don't know is that they are digging their graves.we need to put aside this thing of who is campaigning for what and listen carefully. Thank you Mr President for trying to open our minds.
@@bonganimtshali1505 😂😂😂😂😂 he opened your mind ??? Yooo South Africa has a long way to freedom. Did this guy say something about nationalisation of land, mines n banks? Do you know that these are the reason for all this MK/Zuma ranting...
Zuma is not a 2000 he even being a president, why he stand up now.open your eyes don't just follow the the man, something is coming no freedom here .what is going to happen is what see in some African states, endless wars and poverty.if you are not working by now and think by your vote you gonna get something just forget.
why Mr Zuma is always mistreated it was Mr Mbeki now its Mr Ramaphosa because zuma is biggest liar
Smear campaign has started to protect our interests
msunu we khehla elithanda ikhamera, who evr told mbekis his smrt rly did us wrong
Awufundisekanga noba awuyithandi into eththwa ngumntu,awumthuki you just close your ears,
@@thembilephikiso392 msunu wokufundiseka, losers close thr ears, rest of us speak, like mbheki is tlkng abt othrs. Ungaphenduli wesfundiswa. ngizobona kuwe.
@@thembilephikiso392Stop trying to be a smart-ass on TH-cam. Why didn't YOU ignore the comment if you disagree?😂
Share this everyday so all can hear it🎉
Peace was never an option 😂😂😂 He came swinging
In age one when he had a 2/3 majority, what did he do for the previously disadvantaged people?? What did he do to improve and build new infrastructure?
If you listen properly, you will understand he doesn't believe on land issue. That is why 2/3 majority meant nothing to him.
Unisa students are all in MK.
Be happy
You wish, Propaganda is not going to work in this age, there is too much source of information. It might have worked the ANC previously it definitely not going to work for the MK. MK is trying by all means to use propaganda for example there is a trending video which states that the MK has 60 Million members which we all know that it is impossible, There are other claims of 4 Million all these are not true as there is no evident to this but everything is going to be a bit clear after the election who is MK.
They are smart
😂😂😂dreaming in broad day light. Keep on dreaming SAns will speak on the 29 May
@@ntsikeleloedwardvena82 yes we will
Cde Harry Gwala warned the ANC about Zuma but the leadership never listened. He used to call him impunga yehlathi. He is part of those who infiltrated the ANC.
Thabo Mbeki is a snake where was he when pres Zuma was ill-treated. And eventually thrown in jail why he didn't talk at that time now that pres Zuma has left the anc and formed mk party he begins to talk he thinks he's an angel please Who could stand that rubbish of anc and criminal Raphala phala
Uphambene wena Mbeki doesn't owe that hooligan from Nkandla anything. The audacity to expect Mbeki to intervene on behalf of a criminal who humiliated him in polokwane and went on to loot the state. You need a mental check up.
Mr Bheki has said a lot of truth but when coming to the freedom charter it must be reviewed, how does it adresses issues of the past especially land. On this one I dont agree with Mr Bheki
Mr mbeki we don't think you understand Dr congo 🇨🇩 issue very well with banyarwanda .you should do more history studies
Strange how much of what is being said we need to do, is what the Multi Party Charter has been saying. They may not all be from the same tribes and camps, but they understand it more than the ANC does. Now we have to once again deal with the same ordeal of barbarism of the Zuma camp telling us if they don’t get a 2/3 majority there will be no vote at all. So many people have been silenced. Hopefully, these types of conversations continue. Maybe it would have been more opportune if such matters were more transparent. But here we are. An interesting, albeit tough time ahead for us as South Africans. May all of us prosper or may the odds be ever more in your favour.
The thing with the multi-party for me is that they are pro-privatization and the former President has just touched on what I have always said, privatization will not address inequality in our country, they will drive off and leave many of our families behind. Look at these pro-privatization countries like your US, life is hard because private runs the country, mental health is high, people are made to be robots......this country still needs the ANC, DA and EFF will not help the masses. I mean we say we struggle in SA, go to any other African country and see the real struggle. There's certain things the ANC government has done in the past that still cushions the masses from advocating for a regime change.....I am one that has managed to make it out of poverty because of what the government has done in the past and I don't want to be complacent because I have a good life, many more people must make it out and private will not do that, the agendas are different.
Zuma is always talking abt others,its their chance to spk now😅😅😅😅😅
Ungazohlanyela uZuma. Zuma is speaking nationalisation of land and mines hence you see all these sellouts on him like this. Manje ngoba nilele... You will suffer and the generations to come...
@@Coco-kw3iv ohlanyayo uwena slima ohamba utshela abantu ongabazi ukuthi bayahlanya,konje ninjalo nina bantu aba brainwashed by Zuma's lies 😃 😀 😄 😁 🤣 😂
@@ziphodlamini6856 I don't have to know you. Your comment says all about you. One day you will realise your mental illness
Idenge Lexi,ilima maybe bafuze their father's like really Zuma is talking about Land,has he ever implemented that while ephethe,angasinyeli thina,ngoba onke lamasimba ahambe ewakhuluma,amohlula engu Mongameli we ANC for two terms and taking decisions as he wishes with Guptas haa😮
@siyathembasiazmatshaya7074 and kuyathusa ukuthi there's an SIU report that was kept under the carpet when he was president in 2017,yet he is busy telling us abt the "sellouts",the BIGGEST SELLOUT IS HIM
😮 Thabo Mbeki is a pure fool South Africa former president I never see
53:50 The conversation with China about development. What could have been
He cant even say a word about Phala Phala,nothing about sealed bank statements, nothing about 1 bn to buy the ANC Pres position.Lost respect in this man.
Do you even have the context of this discussion? Do you understand what a panel is? Do you understand that these are responses to questions that were raised in this session?
If you’re seeking relevance, atleast come with informed points. Suphapha apha!
MBEKI is a failure. He brought tefsa then Zuma brought nsfas. Tefsa was a loan.
I am really intrigued by Mbeki's analysis on the war in Eastern Congo. It's evident his relationship with Kagame has changed his view on who to blame. Banyamulenge were given congolese citizens by the late President Mobutu. However these Banyamulenge as you called them never showed loyalty to Congo. In 2006 you Mbeki and Olusoguno Obasonjo were all present when the actual congolese constitution was drafted and made approved and those Banyamulenge were the only tribe from the 445 tribes benefited from it. If from all tribes in congo claimed being marginalised does tha mean all have to take weapons and to kill other tribes. For your information Mr Mbeki, the Belgian never declared to have any contact with Banyarwanda when they consulted tribes chiefs. Don't tarnish your reputation for spreading wrongful messages.
You are wrong and your friendship with Kagame has made you speak lies.
I am very disappointed with you.
It's a big shame for a respectable african leader like him for giving in public false informations about DRC. I'm very disappointed wìth his statement ...
He didn't even condemned the rwandese aggression in DRC.
He is saying the truth that most of Congolese and Belgium knows but don’t want to hear.I don’t know about Banyamurenge but what I have learned in history is about Tutsi’s located in North kivu.By continuing to deny them your country is risking to loose that part of north kivu that belonged to Rwanda before.Watch them taking Goma and I think this time they will not give up like in 2012.The Man u hear is one in many that refused the corruption of your gvmnt and decided to speak the truth no matter what
Ay this Age assertion is incorrect, Mandela ERA, Mbeki ERa ,Zuma ERa and Ramaphosa Era....
Hei waze wanya umuntu nx usuthengiwe vele😢 f him...this shows ukuthi life of the ANC is hanging by a thread and this one here is trying to put it together...mnxm i m voting MK.
Who said don't vote mk? Ubani uthi ungavodeli imk?? Vote for your mk. What Mbeki said is when people vote, they should no excetly know who they are voting for. AND HE IS ALSO STATING THE FACTS. AND THE GOOD THING ABOUT WHAT HE SAID, IT IS KNOW AND IS ON RECORDS BLACKAND WHITE. A FOOL WILL NOT BELIEVE IT. AND UNFORTUNATE PART OF WHAT HE IS SAYING IS TRUE AND CONSISTENT WITH WHAT BRIAN MOLEFE SAID ABOUT. AND I WILL ADVICE AND URGE YOU TO GET THE INTERVIEW BY SAKINA ON SABC2 MORNINGLIVE. THE ANC YOUTH LEAGUE HE REFERSTO THE ANCYL OF MZWANDILE AND THE FORMER ANCYL FROM NORTHWEST, WHOM GUPTAS BOUGHT HIM A HOUSE. WE AS SOUTHAFRICAN CITIZENS WE ARE NOT STUPID ENOUGH NOT TO SEE THE TRUTH. WE ARE GOING TO VOTE FORTHE ANC NOT OF RAMAPHOSA BUT OF THE PEOPLE. UBUTHO WA BANTU. NOT OF INDIVIDUAL.
Hamba mfo Ka Dlamini the grandfather of La Chonco, I mean his ex husband is waiting for your vote and die coz is old enough to lead this country,we gave him 8 years.
After 80 years by nature nothing else you have to do than dying.
No engaging necessary to a savage backward insulting language
It's rather regressive and disingenuous for President Mbeki to claim that the Youth League led by Malema wasn't truly ANC-aligned. He conveniently overlooks the parallels with Lembede's Youth League, where even Mandela advocated for unpopular policies. Mbeki's excessive praise for Mandela's era conveniently ignores this contradiction. Mbeki's reputation is inflated, and he tends to lie without consequences. Unfortunately, his audience often lacks the necessary context to question his statements, accepting them unquestioningly as gospel truth.
Thank you. This guy gets away with every nonsense... I don't know what is wrong with south Africans. Now he's sent to come out to lie and confuse people. It's not all of us who are stupid anymore
Of course it wasn't aligned. On the land issue, the ANC drew from the 'Freedom Charter' , "the land shall belong to all those who work it". The expulsion of malema was inevitable because not only did he disagree with the ANCs posture, he publicly opposed it and humiliated the leadership as he did so. Julius was never ANC 'material ' to begin with; he was after personal gratification. Getting expelled from the ANC was the best thing to happen to him.
I feel very sorry for the black community this coming elections.
1)We all have to accept that this country will be ruled by means of Coalition and we all know that who will suffer after all.
2) parties that will get more votes that will drag the country back are the most trusted parties(ANC,EFF and MK) these parties trust me will be looking forward to work together to continue with corruption and protecting cadres,If you dnt trust Zuma,you dnt have to trust Malema and Cyril vice versa(Ramaphosa is on the books of White Monopoly,we all Know that Zuma is standing on the right side of Gupta's that I believe are funding MK right now,while we have noisy flip floping Malema ready to have tea with either of the two leaders.
3)Parties that could make SA better(ActionSa,Inkatha or Patriotic Alliance but these parties are less funded by amasela.
4)Then we have other black votes that will be scattered to all these small useless AiMS,MTN,BOSA,Good Party and will cost the black community while white votes will go to DA and Freedom Front plus,as well few to ActionSA. But trust me ANC,EFF and MK it's about destroying the black ppl and self care.
Just follow Malema when he was still at ANC youth league how he destroyed Polokwane municipality with unfinished temders for his friends,VBS scandal is all known,even today Malema hardly talks about Limpopop when is campaigning but is from Limpopo, because they know him there.
Phala phala weeeee i have mo words just same as state capture of Zuma and his Shenanigans today some of us see him as a saint😮😢while he just wants to evenge to Ramaphosa and Zuma has no power for politics he is too old but is fighting his personal battles using his followers,just imagine led by a person who is 82 years old,where is he leading you to?
After u have ryt all this nonsense clever black who is benefitting from the mystery of yo fellow blacks that y u are writing this to mislead us pls we have a ryt to make our own choices and express ourselves but choosing hu ever we want. Pls dnt try to tell us what to do keep yo opinion to yoslf bcos it obvious u are choosing the west.
Mr. President mmm, a decision is taken in 2004 to build a power station and only the building start in 2007, 3 years later. You say, it is not clear from the Eskom reports that you see on the internet. Where were you kanti? What was report to you by the people in high places foe the delay in project implementation? Nakhu kudlalwa ngathi eminika bha.
Uzolunga kanjani uANC ngoba abantu abadala sebeyasaba ukutshela uANC lapho anginzi kahle khona
Tribalist will always criticize you because of their Zulu nationalizim
Mr Tambo mbeki ad president of SA, if you dont know the realy history of KongoZaire in liftwally please keek quit and seach a little more bevor you may made an statement on this case. There is no ethnic groupe named tutsi in KongoZaire as the banyamulenge groupe is simply fantasicall nomination.
Dear Former President, CONCERNING THE SITUATION IN DRC, your explanation is simply SUPERFICIAL and misleading people. Even if it was the way you put it (that Banya Mulenge are not accepted in DRC), does that entitle a foreigner president (kagame) to back and support these Banya Mulenge to rebel "in their sovereign country" ??? Do you know that DRC has 9 borders and you find the same situation in each border (where you have the same people/tribe on both sides of the border") ? So, the president of Zambia should back the Ba Bembas, the president of Angola should back the Bakongo, the president of Congo Brazzaville should back the Bateke? The President of CAR should back the Bangbandi, etc. ??? Is this how African leaders shall solve problems? To make a long story short: - (1) During Mobutu era there was peace in the eastern part of DRC, the presidents of the 3 countries (Mobutu of ZAIRE/DRC, Habyarimana of Rwanda and Ntaryamira of Burundi) were great friends and had an organization called CEPGL. Mobutu even had a chief of staff who was a Tutsi whose name was BISENGIMANA. Mobutu, advised by this man, granted the Congolese nationality to all the Tutsi and Hutus who were living in Zaire. They were then known as BANYA RWANDA (BANYA MULENGE did not exist then; it's a name created NOT LONG AGO) ; - (2) The problem started with American Presidents (Reagan, Bush, BILL CLINTON...) who, after the COLD WAR, decided to dismantle USSR (Russia), to end the influence of France in Africa, to overthrown Mobutu and partition ZAIRE /DRC by creating a new country dominated by Tutsis who would give them natural resources easily (as they did with Libya and Sudan...); - (3) It is known that Americans put Museveni (Uganda) and Kagame in power, then use these two with other African countries to overthrown Mobutu. They used Kabila as a puppet and wanted afterwards to control him and the mines of the country. They started killing Congoleses and stealing a lot of wealth of DRC, and Kabila did not accept that, that is why they killed him. The "Mayi-Mayi Group" that you mentioned were just reacting to many killings that were ordered by the invaders. They did not start it, they were reacting. (4) As Congoleses resisted to that plan, Americans made a new plan that brought Congoleses in Sun City (South Africa) where they imposed Tutsis from Rwanda as generals in the Congolese army (and some of them had to be in position ONLY IN THE KIVU REGION - THEY DON'T WANT TO SERVE IN ANY OTHER PROVINCE OF DRC, ONLY IN KIVU - Such thing can be done in South Africa by any soldier or official ???); Not to mention that the DRC suffered from a disguised embargo for several years, imposed by the UN Security Council, while more than 20,000 UN troops with an annual budget of more than 1 billion dollars were there JUST TO KEEP THE CHAOS going ahead (Can you imagine that the UN General Secretary did not hesitate to declare URBI ET ORBI that the M 23 was more powerful than the Blue Helmets, and that he did not know where these powerful weapons were coming from? - (5) BEFORE THE COMING OF KAGAME IN POWER, HAve you ever heard that Congolese were chasing BANYA RWANDA out of DRC? Do we have to inform you that when FELIX TSHISEKEDI came in power he went to meet Kagame and proposed him to put an end to this chaotic situation peacefully through COOPERATION and diverse BILATERAL AGREEMENTS, but Kagame betrayed him by continuing to support M23 ?? You mentioned the Kenyan former president UHURU who was appointed as Mediator between Congolese Government and all the local armed groups, didn't he tell you which group left the Talks to start war??? You mentioned the East African Community army, but you also seem to not MASTER THE ROOTS of the problem. DRC joined this community recently as FELIX TSHISEKEDI was looking ways to bring bacak peace in the entire region. But once again, Tshisekedi was betrayed by some leaders of this community influenced by Americans. Do you know how the current president of Kenya, William RUTO was portraying Congoleses before he came in power ??? If you find out, then you will understand what happened. In addition to that, RUTO was invited in Wasington and was BRAINWASHED!!! Speaking of SADC intervention, we all know that Angola had also to be part of it Initially. Why did they change and did not join anymore? If you check, you will see that the president of Angola was invited in Washington and the US State Secretary visited him in Angola prior tot the formation of the SADC forces. Mr. President Thabo Mbeki, I can go on and on, but I have to make the long story short. FOR YOUR INFORMATION, A FORMER PRIME MINISTER OF RWANDA DECLARED OPENLY THAT EVEN IN THE TIME OF MOBUTU, WHILE THEY WERE IN CEPGL, THEY WERE SECRETLY AIMING TO OCCUPY THE KIVU REGION. KAGAME HIMSELF SAID IT RECENTLY THAT THE PROBLEM WAS NOT M23, THE PROBLEM WAS TO REDEFINE THE BORDERS. Ask your assistants, they will find these videos online on TH-cam. IN CONCLUSION, THE REAL, DEEP PROBLEM IS NOT BANYAMULENGE WHO WERE LIVING PEACEFULLY IN DRC FOR DECADES AS YOU MENTIONED (THEY WERE NEVER IN DANGER BEFORE KAGAME), THE PROBLEM IS THE LAND AND THE MINERAL RESOURCES OF DRC THAT MULTINATIONALS WANT TO CONTROL VIA KAGAME.
Botsaaaang in the middle