In the wise words of Madiba....if the ANC does to you what the apartheid government did to you then you must do to the ANC what you did to the apartheid government...
@@sentsolebatla2512 I think hes looking down on SA and thinks what I have left them with they have completly distroyed ...hope gone, trust gone, ANC gone....the blind leading the blind
But the ANC has not come anywhere near to doing to anyone what Apartheid did to all of us black and white. So this doesn't apply. But I think we all have to wake up to the reality that "demoncrazy" is a system of the masters of wealth and will always be in favor of those who have the best means.
But what I don't understand in this act 0f Zuma and the MK is that, it seems the ANC made wrong now not during his 9years. This slogan can supported by all South Africans if it was said by young and newly established leaders, not this Nkandla person who ruled for 9 years recently 😢
Mbeki had the chance and the power to dismantle Apartheid Economy with the Two Thirds majority. Instead he brought neo-Liberal GEAR policy from Washington that promoted White (Apartheid) Economy, creating the world's most unequal society with wealthy White European colonists and poor Black people
It breaks mine too to see the likes of Mbeki attacking their fellow comrades for exercising their rights in this democratic society. Ufuna ukushifter blame to Zuma ngoku? Yena after saying all what he said thinks we will change like he did and now vote for the criminals? Kant emhlabeni kunjani?
Thabo Mbheki is not innocent Do you know how he manipulated state resources for personal gain this guy own mines in DRC & SANDF soldiers are there to protect his mines while DRC people are suffering His wife Zanele is a shareholder to more than 100 listed companies kwi JSE Zanele mbheki was involved in Rand manipulation scandal but no one punished her for that So this madala isn't innocent at all
How is Mbeki putting South Africans First when he tells you straight up that you are not going to get the land? Your mines, land and reserve bank will be in the hands of foreigners...are you even listening? Or Zuma's scapegoating is blurring your reasoning
Zuma saved millions of lives by rolling out arv treatment while Mbeki was speaking big English debating whether hiv causes aids….he never campaigned for anc during Zuma presidency and nobody said anything about that. He recently said he won’t campaign for anc because it’s full of thieves. I sense that he never recovered from Polokwane loss, he expelled Zuma from government as deputy president and Zuma beat him and became anc president the rest is history. After all most members of anc have dual membership of sacp and anc, at some point sacp wanted to go independently from anc. Infact some even had triple membership anc, sacp and mk. They just dislike Zuma for what reason? They know! I don’t get what the fuss is about!
1. When Madiba was in charge, President Mbeki was pulling the strings from behind. - During his presidency, South Africa's economy was growing. - The debt-to-GDP ratio was less than 50%. - Some of us, fortunate enough, started thriving businesses in the townships. - The Safety and Security Cluster was effectively carrying out its duties. - The mood in the country and in Africa was positive, contributing to nation-building. - South Africa was respected and taken seriously on the world stage. - We were looking forward to voting for the ANC, a united movement. Even though I don't trust Ramaphosa for lying about dealing with corruption and lawlessness and for doing nothing when our businesses were looted and burnt by criminals, when Mbeki says I must vote for the ANC, maybe it's time to listen.
He is now mixes his word's, he's said how can someone vote for imigodoyi ( dog's) who are leading the Anc,we will wait for the 29 May to make our choice
Most recent polls have shown this party grow to the third largest in the country, ahead of EFF. Absolutely shocking how many people support Zuma after everything he did to this country
@@yourfriendlyneighbourhoods8202 The electorate gets to be given a choice to paraphrase Maggie the Iron Lady. After the 30 years of 'democrazy' we have had, we really ought to have a deep look at the choice, we can't keep blaming the voters as it will start bothering on insanity
@@RG-jr8ym If you choose, you can say that for another 30 years but if you know what Magret Thatcher said of British politics, then you would know that it is time we look the other way, otherwise we ourselves are not 'clever black' if we keep blaming the voter
We are a country with hard fought freedom, where nobody shouldn't be forced to vote for whoever they want to. You have a right to not vote for them but some people same rights you enjoy to vote for them
@@nthabisengkwayiba4573 we all who have criminal record between the two And we all know who stole money from public purse and who was the victim of theft at his home ,we all know who's still have unfinished court cases. Lastly Ramaphosa was never accused of rape that's all can say
You know that Zuma is a polygamist and he sees nothing wrong with it!His votes will be shared between ANC and MK!National MK and Provincial ANC! Most voters has shared their votes between parties especially in local government elections why because all the parties cannot be trusted!
It seems In Zulu minds, the only perfect leader in S.A must Zulu according to all this comments. Guys great leaders are judged by their leadership characters not race and tripes 😂😂😂
Is ànything mentioned Zulu maybe i missed? Or your mentality is kind of tribalist mind. Thats what happens if you're tribalist, if someone talk to you it sounds tribalist.
I just wish for a second rsa citizens should feel ashamed of themselves and make a different for the future of our children...Africa will never change the more things changes the more they stay the same....
ARE you honest to yourself? Wena!!🤔🤔you zupta supporters we know that we have a constitution "Roman Dutch Law" in our country. Which is giving you that privilege to think and talk the nonsense you have been thinking and talking. If it was not for it you would not be allowed.
If Zuma defines himself outside ANC then why ANC can't let him go??? For political party that is over 100 years old but still don't know how to deal with such matters😢
They can't even deal with themselves...black people for the last 30 something years they won't change...that is why we will stay poorer even for the next 3 generation to come...
Who is holding zupta back in this current ANC called the Anc of Ramaphosa?? And i assume your wildest answer will be the Anc. And one will let you to think that the Anc of Ramaphosa is holding back zupta. IT IS A CLEAR PROOF THAT YOU SUPPORTERS OF ZUPTA ARE SICK PSYCHOLOGICALY. YOU SOME PSYCHIATRIC EVALUATION, BEFORE SOMEONE CAN TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY. YOU MASTER WITH HIM, IS UNDERSTANDABLE. AFTER ALL HE IS NOT 28 YEARS, HE IS 82YEARS OLD. PEOPLE AT HIS SAME AGE THEY HAVE RETIRED AND THEY ARE ENJOYING THEIR PENSION WITH THEIR GRANDCHILDREN. AND AGAIN IS CALL FOR CONCERN TO THOSE SO CALLED ZUPTA SUPPORTERS, WHY CAN'T THEY SEE THAT ZUPTA IS OLD. AND HE MUST RETIRE FROM POLITICS. IT IS BECAUSE YOU'RE "OPPORTUNISTS" THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE NO GURTS TO TELL HIM TO RETIRE FROM POLITICS. SO ZUPTA ANC IS GOING TO DEAL HIM AFTER THE ELECTIONS. AND HE MUST WISH AND PRAY FOR, IS THAT THE DOESN'T RETAIN POWER. WHICH HIGHLY UNLIKELY. SO BE PREPARED FOR A WAR AS YOU ZUPTA SUPPORTERS HAVE BEEN THREATING US ABOUT. AND FOR INFORMATION ZUPTA IS FREE TO DO WHATEVER HE WANTS, AND YOU SEE THAT HE IS FREE TO DO WHATEVER HE WANTS. IF YOU CAN NOT SEE THAT. THEN IT PROOF THE THAT YOU ARE SICK AND VERY SICK. AND UNFORTUNATELY THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN HELP YOU. FOR US WE JUST HAVE TO WATCH YOU DYING A SLOW DEATH OR WE SWITCH OFF THE LIFE SUPPORT MACHINE. BUT WE WILL NOT DO NEITHER ONE OF THE TWO MENTIONED ABOVE. HORNERS ARE ON YOU. THE CHOICE IS YOURS, WHICH ONE YOU WILL PREFER BETWEEN THE TWO. VIVA ANC VIVA....VIVA 🖤💚💛✊✊
He wrote a long letter to release someone whom he knew nothing about a left his comrade be jailed without defending himself in court. Which resulted in more than 200 innocent people be massacred in Phoenix. Mxm
Thabo Mbeki & Manto Tshabalala-Msimang's preferred herbal remedy products (beetroot, garlic, and lemon juice) killed an unnecessary number of HIV/AIDS patients 😢, although ARV drugs 💊 were readily available.
When we still have apartheid beneficiaries privileges who never apologized or saw nothing with it. Or what it did to blacks, and nd they still want to rule over the same people who were disadvantaged and brutalized, but because they don't have scars and bruises of the past. They now say, in their party policies they don't see color but treat everyone equally regardless of the different backgrounds. And if they get in power, they would scrap every policy that's been set to redress injustices of the past For me ,it's not hard nor difficult to understand why former president Thabo Mbeki is doing that. Because we ( blacks ) can still notice our scars and we felt the same pain, it's easy for us to understand his stance. My guess would be, you never went through what we've been through.That's why you don't understand his stance
That's called being conscientious and sober minded. Critical thinking is an important part of leadership and a healthy organization. Once you create echo chambers, problems ensue.
@srininaidoo, he's not campaigning for the leader/ship of the ANC but for the ANC as a party. It is possible for one can support a party without necessarily supporting the conduct of certain people in the party.
Thabo Mbeki is a big hypocrite, he said he won't campaign for imigodoyi but now, the words coming out of his mouth are astonishing, I'm totally flabbergasted. He also thinks too much of himself, if there is anything he wanted to know about MK, he should've contacted Msholozi from the beginning for accurate information. But he has acted like all other deceptive hypocrites, already commenting negatively without hearing the news from his comrade or former comrade. No wise and fully mature man act like that. Thabo is overrated, he's only an average intelligent gentlemen but doesn't possess wisdom . He is too old and too tired, he's no longer relevant in South African political space.
It's obvious why ANC declined in 2009, Thabo Mbheki and his friends formed COPE, taking lot anc members. Mbheki had 2third majority in parliament,, but as black person I can't point out anything he did.
He stepped down when requested. He did not try to hang on to power. Like Jan Smuts, he is at intellectual. They never do well in government. Sad. Viva South Africa. Love to all.
If you can answer the question of what was the South Africa's financial rand and South Africa's commercial rand and what became of them then may be you can look again at your assertion. If not then I don't know what to say.
If there is something former president Thabo Mbeki should do is to take South Africans seriously and tell us what happened to President Nelson Mandela and Chris Hani then l can take him serious otherwise he has no back bone to me and remain an agent just like his president Ramaposa
Some times we fail to tel our loves ones to use protection wen engaging oneself to sexual activities wen infected we. blame others as if Bheki was supposed to teach and follow them to check tht are they using condom in the bedroom ,stop blaming Bheki your brother failed to use condom,and codomd were free and still free,during COVID people were failing or rather rufusing to wear musk ,are I still going to blame Ramaphosa ,shame on u and each one of us should be responsible to his or her health stop blaming Bheki
😂 Thabo Mbheki trying to be relevant !! His Cope failed he must not talk of MK. Let him campaign for a dead useless ANC and keep Zumas name out of his mouth.
@@CMNMEDIA1a joke 😅 how about you Xhosas and Mbeki being bitter after defeated in Polokwane and start mobilizing your colleagues in any states organs to assist you pushig revenge agenda🚮 telling us of cangaroo set-ups commission🚮
Do you remember how Zuma says he took a shower after...to wash off ....? Do you also remember when Zuma said he built Nkandla with his own money ? Do you remember ? Do you remember when he said he wants his day in court and when the day arrives he tried to avoid the day in court? Do you remember Guptas? I think Zuma might be honest
Honest questions/reminders for a thinker my friend. Unfortunately, for some, hearts and not minds are at work. Zuma said ANC will rule until Jesus Christ returns. I am laughing hard. He’s with MK as we speak.
@@chiefer1325 we remember but we have NO CHOICE. Malema still needs to grow. The ANC failed we must give MK benefit of the doubt then if nayo ngasiphethe kahle sikhipha.
Till this day President Mbeki never liked the fact that he was voted out of power by President Zuma. It happens its life. But we must respect both men.
Mbeki is without doubt, the best President SA has ever seen. His intellectual abilities are beyond reach. Give him his flowers while he can still smell them
Since Thabo Mbeki is so brilliant can you please explain to South Africans why is there load shedding on weekends because on the weekend 30 percent of business is closed schools, courts, Machanic and many more so just bare in mind here on the ground we are also observent
Angela Jeffery write a disturbing book title."Anc Plan To Destroy SA"they succeeded well in doing just that.Only two people,Jacob Zuma and his folliw on Cyril Ramaphosa Phala Phala Ramadollar.🫢😯🤦♂️
The criminals and criminally charged people are no longer leaders of the ANC. Didn't you hear about the new election slate of the ANC? Mbeki understands that the current leaders are not criminals.
The issues relating to the ANC and Jacob Zuma have in my understanding led to the current situation of confusion as to being a member of a party but campaigning against it. The correct position was that he(Zuma) should have had the decency to step aside before he was even called to, while the deputy pres if the ANC. But the party split into many factions and will die as a result. Leadership must put the needs of the people first but not in the case of Zuma. As for a party that will change the political landscape to the point of delivery of services to the people regardless where the reside, no party can ever achieve that. The DA is not capable, all we have to do is look at the Western Cape
Mr President Mbeki you failed to talk about the Genocide that is happening in DR Congo instigated by Paul Kagane the same folk that is inviting you to a controversial genocide celebration. the genocide that happened in Rwanda it lack of truth and honestly.
The more Thabo Mbeki talks the more he soils his legacy. I used to like him a lot, but the more I learnt about the ANC and heard him provide cover for them is the more my respect for him dissipated.
He has condemned state capture, & distanced himself from Mr. Zuma's tainted presidency. His was'nt a perfect presidency too, it had obvious obstacles, & HIV-AIDS matter has left an indellible mark on his legacy. However, his leadership built a solid foundation for South Africa, one that required Mr. Zuma to proceed with the work. He did not. Sadly, Mr. Zuma's failures have become a lense through which we judge ANC's perfomance since 1994, rather than 2009 when he took over-a framework i find unjust & flawed, for, despite many failures under ANC, there has been great achievements under their governance... Especially when Thabo Mbeki was both the deputy president & the president of South Africa.
The idea that a party should choose it's leader is just criminal, until then we will still suffer in the hands of those we donate our votes to, regardless of who they are.
Honourable Mbeki,you are quite right but there are young people who now take stand to fix South Africa and have answered your question of what kind of a country we want.Vote arise south Africa.
@@Lunga3 Mbeki never poisoned the water or the oxygen,he never infected your relatives with H.I.V Even the developed countries were still sceptical about ARVs,who we are as South Africa to be sure that these things were going to work,even today ARVs are issued for free but our hospitals 85 % of patients that are lying in these beds are ARV and PTB defaulters. Ppl today dnt want to go to clinics and take their medications,today condoms are for free ppl dnt want to condomise but still want multiple sex partners.
@@Qotha how come ? because during his reign there was rampant corruption , himself with the Guptas who as of this day they don't want to come back and defend themselves, remember their aircraft landed in an airport reserved for presidents only, during Zuma's reign. Don't talk about the economy because it was just downward spiral, no growth.
@@Kissmadolo Rampant corruption according to who, propagandists? who in his sober mind would want to come back to be prosecuted by a captured justice system that saw nothing wrong on Phala Phala?
Don't say we!Say you will vote for MK!I will never vote for a stubborn president including the EFF president!I rather vote IFP as a shangaan!It is a party that gives me hope now especially reading their manifesto about the death penalty and dealing with illegal foreigners and borders!
@@josiahmanganyi6917 im saying WE myself together with those likes and the rest of approximately 10 million MK membership... How about that? You should not respond on my comment if my comment doesn't concern you. Finish!
@@josiahmanganyi6917 go and vote for IFP it's not my business and I didn't ask you. Uyaphapha nje. IFP has sold out long time ago. You guys allow hate to rule. IFP's handlers is Oppenheimer tell me what black people get from those people? Do you even know how was IFP formed? Do you how many black people were murdered by IFP? Do you want me to go on and on???
I must be missing something but how are people sticking up for Zuma when he was president for 10 years and didn't do what he says the Mk will do. he had 10 years to do what he says
@SidoMadela it's ok to say 'l like zuma, wrong or right. I'm with him' the guy is very charismatic, funny. Entertains and sings very well. But let's not deceive ourselves, his leadership is a direct reason for the downfall of the country and the ANC
In the captured ANC majority view prevail and therefore how are you sure he was not out numbered because what he is talking about he has said those things in his speeches back then but not supported behind scenes, even when he announced free education he was widely insulated by the very same ANC leaders who have today reversed it
President Mbeki is still a great African thinker and policy maker but falls short on implementation yet one of the great African Leaders of the CONTINENT not just South Africa. Ndiyabulela Tata ngomsebenzi wakho, amazwi akho ayakhuthaza. Amandla 🇿🇦🇿🇦
That on its own means nothing..mention what he did not just thinking..we all think..simply he said he wont campaign for anc now he's blaming Zuma for saying 😂😂😂..ixoki leli..#imenemene
I think we should also remember how Thabo Mbeki killed many South Africans by denying the fact that HIV leads to Aids and that people should be provided with medication to supress this virus. We have not forgoten that tgis is the very same Thabo Mbeki who assaulted Winnie Madikizela Mandela in full public view.
Comrade Mbeki, I think we need to have a Forum where we vigorously look on what is a difference between comrades who fought against apartheid internally and those who went exile.
Most of the comments come from a place of disappointment when Mbeki confirms he will be campaigning for his political party, the African National Congress. What were you expecting?
Zuma can do whatever he likes with his life and Mbeki must just get a life and mind his own business. We are now told that his wife is a billionaire, one wonders where she made all that money if not through Mbeki's connections (corruption). Mbeki must stop trying to improve his rotten legacy through badmouthing JZ
In the wise words of Madiba....if the ANC does to you what the apartheid government did to you then you must do to the ANC what you did to the apartheid government...
But he never said the state capture enablers should be blindly followed right
@@sentsolebatla2512 I think hes looking down on SA and thinks what I have left them with they have completly distroyed ...hope gone, trust gone, ANC gone....the blind leading the blind
But the ANC has not come anywhere near to doing to anyone what Apartheid did to all of us black and white. So this doesn't apply. But I think we all have to wake up to the reality that "demoncrazy" is a system of the masters of wealth and will always be in favor of those who have the best means.
But what I don't understand in this act 0f Zuma and the MK is that, it seems the ANC made wrong now not during his 9years.
This slogan can supported by all South Africans if it was said by young and newly established leaders, not this Nkandla person who ruled for 9 years recently 😢
Nice quote but Mandela never said that.
President Mbeki was never perfect yet he still remains the best President of the Republic of South Africa we ever had... Period
Liar
The who had 2third majority in parliament and did nothing with it
Y you say he was the best..mention the things he did..nd we I will tell you Y someome did better than him
Mbeki had the chance and the power to dismantle Apartheid Economy with the Two Thirds majority. Instead he brought neo-Liberal GEAR policy from Washington that promoted White (Apartheid) Economy, creating the world's most unequal society with wealthy White European colonists and poor Black people
Who closed all skilled based institutions and turn around advocating for "skilled foreigners" to come work in South Africa?
It breaks my heart to see the generation of patriotic leaders like Thabo Mbeki phasing away, while we can't find replacement for them.
It breaks mine too to see the likes of Mbeki attacking their fellow comrades for exercising their rights in this democratic society. Ufuna ukushifter blame to Zuma ngoku? Yena after saying all what he said thinks we will change like he did and now vote for the criminals? Kant emhlabeni kunjani?
We have EFF and Julius Malema to replace this incompetent old man called Thabo Mbeki.
😂😂😂 joke of the year
This "patriotic" leader denied poor members of my family hiv/aids drugs. They died together with 330 000 others. He is responsible for their deaths
Thabo Mbheki is not innocent
Do you know how he manipulated state resources for personal gain this guy own mines in DRC & SANDF soldiers are there to protect his mines while DRC people are suffering
His wife Zanele is a shareholder to more than 100 listed companies kwi JSE
Zanele mbheki was involved in Rand manipulation scandal but no one punished her for that
So this madala isn't innocent at all
One of the best intellectuals that our movement has ever produced…
Produce what the man behind COPE him And TiTo Mboweni and Manual mxm wena Mkhize
Just to fulfill a hullabaloo say.No action from him.intellectual just for nothing..From his presidency we benefited nothing.
He remains the best president we've had .jz was a disaster
What did he do with our two thirds majority we gave him?
@@LonwaboMiggels221 explain the relevance to intellectuals... or you just one of those delinquents who can't wait to comment?
Mbeki is too reasonable for the militant revolutionaries. Their ego is too big to put South Africa first.
How is Mbeki putting South Africans First when he tells you straight up that you are not going to get the land? Your mines, land and reserve bank will be in the hands of foreigners...are you even listening? Or Zuma's scapegoating is blurring your reasoning
MK will not do better than ACDP & the FF+!
😂NOW TAKING ALL DELUSIONAL BETS
Zuma saved millions of lives by rolling out arv treatment while Mbeki was speaking big English debating whether hiv causes aids….he never campaigned for anc during Zuma presidency and nobody said anything about that. He recently said he won’t campaign for anc because it’s full of thieves. I sense that he never recovered from Polokwane loss, he expelled Zuma from government as deputy president and Zuma beat him and became anc president the rest is history.
After all most members of anc have dual membership of sacp and anc, at some point sacp wanted to go independently from anc. Infact some even had triple membership anc, sacp and mk. They just dislike Zuma for what reason? They know!
I don’t get what the fuss is about!
Poverty stricken South Africa?
@@BronxWavyI'm just laughing the comments
1. When Madiba was in charge, President Mbeki was pulling the strings from behind.
- During his presidency, South Africa's economy was growing.
- The debt-to-GDP ratio was less than 50%.
- Some of us, fortunate enough, started thriving businesses in the townships.
- The Safety and Security Cluster was effectively carrying out its duties.
- The mood in the country and in Africa was positive, contributing to nation-building.
- South Africa was respected and taken seriously on the world stage.
- We were looking forward to voting for the ANC, a united movement.
Even though I don't trust Ramaphosa for lying about dealing with corruption and lawlessness and for doing nothing when our businesses were looted and burnt by criminals, when Mbeki says I must vote for the ANC, maybe it's time to listen.
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
He is now mixes his word's, he's said how can someone vote for imigodoyi ( dog's) who are leading the Anc,we will wait for the 29 May to make our choice
And then that red jelly tot Julius the commie campaigned to get a successful president out and put that scum Zuptha in.
Never
We don't eat GDP
Don't worry Mr Mbeki we on the ground we will vote for ANC I support you statement today thanks Mr Mbeki
No person in their right mind will want to associate themselves with this party
you are quite right brother, they are even threatening to destabilize the elections, its just insane
Most recent polls have shown this party grow to the third largest in the country, ahead of EFF. Absolutely shocking how many people support Zuma after everything he did to this country
well jacob did say he doesn't like clever blacks...
@@yourfriendlyneighbourhoods8202 The electorate gets to be given a choice to paraphrase Maggie the Iron Lady. After the 30 years of 'democrazy' we have had, we really ought to have a deep look at the choice, we can't keep blaming the voters as it will start bothering on insanity
@@RG-jr8ym If you choose, you can say that for another 30 years but if you know what Magret Thatcher said of British politics, then you would know that it is time we look the other way, otherwise we ourselves are not 'clever black' if we keep blaming the voter
So now we are suppose to vote for a criminal. Mbeki needs to stop talking.
We are a country with hard fought freedom, where nobody shouldn't be forced to vote for whoever they want to. You have a right to not vote for them but some people same rights you enjoy to vote for them
Who is the criminal? JZ / CR
@@nthabisengkwayiba4573 we all who have criminal record between the two
And we all know who stole money from public purse and who was the victim of theft at his home ,we all know who's still have unfinished court cases. Lastly Ramaphosa was never accused of rape that's all can say
Mbeki is the greatest South African president of the 21 century
During his presidency South Africa was booming
Very confused this one
A question to all MK members, your president says he still remains a member of the ANC, are you also ANC members? if not why?
You know that Zuma is a polygamist and he sees nothing wrong with it!His votes will be shared between ANC and MK!National MK and Provincial ANC! Most voters has shared their votes between parties especially in local government elections why because all the parties cannot be trusted!
You are waiting your time. They can't read. Send a voice note.
They don't know. They just do what Zuma does
Fuseg rubbish
We are confusing the enemy 😂
It seems In Zulu minds, the only perfect leader in S.A must Zulu according to all this comments. Guys great leaders are judged by their leadership characters not race and tripes 😂😂😂
U need to start thinking
They will only respond with insults
sizokushaya wena, uyadelela lomuntu
That's because all of them are dump, the only thing they know is "nkabi yam"😂
Is ànything mentioned Zulu maybe i missed? Or your mentality is kind of tribalist mind. Thats what happens if you're tribalist, if someone talk to you it sounds tribalist.
The problem with educated people is that they dont understand how Zuma beat them with his grade 2 now he is trying to stay safe but he is not
Most SA voters are not educated and uneducated people must not vote at all. That is why we have challenges today
I just wish for a second rsa citizens should feel ashamed of themselves and make a different for the future of our children...Africa will never change the more things changes the more they stay the same....
When Zuma pjsses on his fans, they think its raining
He lied and you all believed him and south Africans like to favour thugs and speak in forked tongues
Who is educated in view or which part is lead by educated people.@@ignatiouschikurahove7239
Thabo Mbheki you not truth to yourself as well, you want to be seen honest man while not
Rubbish u MK and criminal zuma supporters
ARE you honest to yourself? Wena!!🤔🤔you zupta supporters we know that we have a constitution "Roman Dutch Law" in our country. Which is giving you that privilege to think and talk the nonsense you have been thinking and talking. If it was not for it you would not be allowed.
Are u from KZN? If you are then nothing new there, Mbeki and Mandela might as well be the devil himself to you. We know that.
If Zuma defines himself outside ANC then why ANC can't let him go??? For political party that is over 100 years old but still don't know how to deal with such matters😢
They can't even deal with themselves...black people for the last 30 something years they won't change...that is why we will stay poorer even for the next 3 generation to come...
@DumaM-ir7rkhe is contradicting himself
Who is holding zupta back in this current ANC called the Anc of Ramaphosa?? And i assume your wildest answer will be the Anc. And one will let you to think that the Anc of Ramaphosa is holding back zupta. IT IS A CLEAR PROOF THAT YOU SUPPORTERS OF ZUPTA ARE SICK PSYCHOLOGICALY. YOU SOME PSYCHIATRIC EVALUATION, BEFORE SOMEONE CAN TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY. YOU MASTER WITH HIM, IS UNDERSTANDABLE. AFTER ALL HE IS NOT 28 YEARS, HE IS 82YEARS OLD. PEOPLE AT HIS SAME AGE THEY HAVE RETIRED AND THEY ARE ENJOYING THEIR PENSION WITH THEIR GRANDCHILDREN. AND AGAIN IS CALL FOR CONCERN TO THOSE SO CALLED ZUPTA SUPPORTERS, WHY CAN'T THEY SEE THAT ZUPTA IS OLD. AND HE MUST RETIRE FROM POLITICS. IT IS BECAUSE YOU'RE "OPPORTUNISTS" THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE NO GURTS TO TELL HIM TO RETIRE FROM POLITICS. SO ZUPTA ANC IS GOING TO DEAL HIM AFTER THE ELECTIONS. AND HE MUST WISH AND PRAY FOR, IS THAT THE DOESN'T RETAIN POWER. WHICH HIGHLY UNLIKELY. SO BE PREPARED FOR A WAR AS YOU ZUPTA SUPPORTERS HAVE BEEN THREATING US ABOUT. AND FOR INFORMATION ZUPTA IS FREE TO DO WHATEVER HE WANTS, AND YOU SEE THAT HE IS FREE TO DO WHATEVER HE WANTS. IF YOU CAN NOT SEE THAT. THEN IT PROOF THE THAT YOU ARE SICK AND VERY SICK. AND UNFORTUNATELY THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN HELP YOU. FOR US WE JUST HAVE TO WATCH YOU DYING A SLOW DEATH OR WE SWITCH OFF THE LIFE SUPPORT MACHINE. BUT WE WILL NOT DO NEITHER ONE OF THE TWO MENTIONED ABOVE. HORNERS ARE ON YOU. THE CHOICE IS YOURS, WHICH ONE YOU WILL PREFER BETWEEN THE TWO. VIVA ANC VIVA....VIVA 🖤💚💛✊✊
Wow, foolish old man
He's been let go but he's the one insisting that he's the member of the ANC and he'll always be.
Yes, Senegal and Haiti should be our focus, not Israel. Both these countries have African people that are in need! Charity begins at home!
He wrote a long letter to release someone whom he knew nothing about a left his comrade be jailed without defending himself in court. Which resulted in more than 200 innocent people be massacred in Phoenix. Mxm
Sometimes izinto ngathi nizijonga niqhunyiwe nina bantw abamnyama
We know what FNB did in Zuma's term and we know that Mrs Mbeki is the shareholder .
So you're saying Palestinians supported ANC during apartheid can be massacred and that to you is ok?
Mbeki did not do much for black people.... H e just played it safe and wrote Poems...
Absolutely 💯
😂 mxm
Thabo Mbeki & Manto Tshabalala-Msimang's preferred herbal remedy products (beetroot, garlic, and lemon juice) killed an unnecessary number of HIV/AIDS patients 😢, although ARV drugs 💊 were readily available.
Stats say otherwise. SA’s most successful post apartheid economic growth happened during Mbeki’s presidency
He presided over RSA's highest growth rate and lowest unemployment to date.
It's hypocritical to castigate the leadership of the ANC but you campaign for them.
Obligation my foot.
When we still have apartheid beneficiaries privileges who never apologized or saw nothing with it. Or what it did to blacks, and nd they still want to rule over the same people who were disadvantaged and brutalized, but because they don't have scars and bruises of the past. They now say, in their party policies they don't see color but treat everyone equally regardless of the different backgrounds. And if they get in power, they would scrap every policy that's been set to redress injustices of the past
For me ,it's not hard nor difficult to understand why former president Thabo Mbeki is doing that. Because we ( blacks ) can still notice our scars and we felt the same pain, it's easy for us to understand his stance. My guess would be, you never went through what we've been through.That's why you don't understand his stance
Who cares about your foot
That's called being conscientious and sober minded. Critical thinking is an important part of leadership and a healthy organization. Once you create echo chambers, problems ensue.
@srininaidoo, he's not campaigning for the leader/ship of the ANC but for the ANC as a party.
It is possible for one can support a party without necessarily supporting the conduct of certain people in the party.
ANC is the idea, not the members 😅. "We might die, but Rome will live forever,"
Thabo Mbeki is a big hypocrite, he said he won't campaign for imigodoyi but now, the words coming out of his mouth are astonishing, I'm totally flabbergasted. He also thinks too much of himself, if there is anything he wanted to know about MK, he should've contacted Msholozi from the beginning for accurate information. But he has acted like all other deceptive hypocrites, already commenting negatively without hearing the news from his comrade or former comrade. No wise and fully mature man act like that. Thabo is overrated, he's only an average intelligent gentlemen but doesn't possess wisdom . He is too old and too tired, he's no longer relevant in South African political space.
Well said
It's obvious why ANC declined in 2009, Thabo Mbheki and his friends formed COPE, taking lot anc members. Mbheki had 2third majority in parliament,, but as black person I can't point out anything he did.
He stepped down when requested.
He did not try to hang on to power.
Like Jan Smuts, he is at intellectual.
They never do well in government.
Sad.
Viva South Africa.
Love to all.
If you can answer the question of what was the South Africa's financial rand and South Africa's commercial rand and what became of them then may be you can look again at your assertion. If not then I don't know what to say.
@monwabisitembani6319 what's your point exactly, trying to sound like a political scientist
No point at all.@@BronxWavy
@@Alexander-fw7stno he was recalled and he never accepted democracy,he thought he was bigger than the party.
Thabo Mbeki was an ANC member when he co-founded and voted for COPE.
If that is true then..... There's a problem here by what he said
And this is not true
😂😂😂😂
Mbeki is a co founder of Cope but lacked the confidence to campaign Leave Zuma to come to the open and campaign freely😂😂😂😂
If there is something former president Thabo Mbeki should do is to take South Africans seriously and tell us what happened to President Nelson Mandela and Chris Hani then l can take him serious otherwise he has no back bone to me and remain an agent just like his president Ramaposa
You want to dwell in the past and it’s not going to take South Africa forward. That is not a solution. Focus
SABC can give anyone who hate Zuma platform it will not change that people love Zuma
SABC!?
Yes Thula
Meaning it's a futile exercise to try to stop Zuma.
@@busikhoza7903 Can Zuma legally be president for a 3rd term? It seems the CONSTITUTION stops Zuma
@@BronxWavy that's the equation???
Zuma destroyed the ANC, it will take time for ANC to renew itself
Why doesn't Sophie ask Mbeki about formation of COPE. These journalists are not interested in revealing truths.
Malema's gibberish sounds palatable to your ear.
So mbeki say is not going to campaign for anc now what 😢😢
Some of us ANC is in our blood not the individual pls don't insults us🙏
He was undermining MK....ha ha ha ha shame and we are waiting for 29 May will take ANC out..😂😂whether they like it or not🙅♀️
He is procting his wive we know.... So we don't need to waste time for this.....
@@WinkieMabija KANJANI? NAFELWA THRU YONA. Im sorry for that but we are suffering its no longer serving us.
@@ntombizethumbatha195 u quite ryt we suffer under Zuma2 🤭
Why was Mheki brother the wise man not our president?
He's claiming to be perfect
Mbeki was never corrupt to dis day
Hello, where do you live? no one in the ANC id free of corruption.
My brother died during his tenure, refusing to rollout arvs
Your brother was supposed to wear condom🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Your brother should’ve stopped smashing raw
People died during Covid ..who do you blame? Please
We buried more than 6 family members in 2 yrs coz of hiv/aids- he disapproved arvs,💔
Some times we fail to tel our loves ones to use protection wen engaging oneself to sexual activities wen infected we. blame others as if Bheki was supposed to teach and follow them to check tht are they using condom in the bedroom ,stop blaming Bheki your brother failed to use condom,and codomd were free and still free,during COVID people were failing or rather rufusing to wear musk ,are I still going to blame Ramaphosa ,shame on u and each one of us should be responsible to his or her health stop blaming Bheki
100% behind President Thabo Mbeki and ANC viva MAYIHLOME IHLASELE MAYIHLOME
😂 Thabo Mbheki trying to be relevant !! His Cope failed he must not talk of MK. Let him campaign for a dead useless ANC and keep Zumas name out of his mouth.
Absolutely
Mbeki will never recover for not finishing his term and he wasted his two thirds majority he had. He must eat presidential sassa
😂😂
Zuma is still bitter about Nasrec and being thrown into prison by Chief Justice Zondo...
@@CMNMEDIA1a joke 😅 how about you Xhosas and Mbeki being bitter after defeated in Polokwane and start mobilizing your colleagues in any states organs to assist you pushig revenge agenda🚮 telling us of cangaroo set-ups commission🚮
Stupid Mbeki. He said he won't campaign for Thieves. He must focus on ANC
He was talking about those who formed MK Party!They are the real thieves and looters!Now Mbheki can campaign freely and let ANC gets 60%votes!
He is going to campaign, Jacob Zuma project thieves agone.
That's his rights to campaign for it or not, nothing to do with anyone
I remember that
@@sentsolebatla2512but not JZ?
If Biden can Lead Mr Mbeki can too bring Mbeki back
You say Zuma is not honest, is ANC
Do you remember how Zuma says he took a shower after...to wash off ....? Do you also remember when Zuma said he built Nkandla with his own money ? Do you remember ? Do you remember when he said he wants his day in court and when the day arrives he tried to avoid the day in court? Do you remember Guptas? I think Zuma might be honest
Honest questions/reminders for a thinker my friend. Unfortunately, for some, hearts and not minds are at work.
Zuma said ANC will rule until Jesus Christ returns. I am laughing hard. He’s with MK as we speak.
@@chiefer1325 we remember but we have NO CHOICE. Malema still needs to grow. The ANC failed we must give MK benefit of the doubt then if nayo ngasiphethe kahle sikhipha.
Till this day President Mbeki never liked the fact that he was voted out of power by President Zuma. It happens its life. But we must respect both men.
Reporting only the negatives about MK will have zero influence .
Former president is correct what kind of south Africa we want
😂😂 The ANC is destroying itself. Job done
Themselves and south africa
Mbeki is without doubt, the best President SA has ever seen. His intellectual abilities are beyond reach. Give him his flowers while he can still smell them
Is Former President Mbeki ever campaign for ANC while Zuma was President if not he has hatred against the Man
Since Thabo Mbeki is so brilliant can you please explain to South Africans why is there load shedding on weekends because on the weekend 30 percent of business is closed schools, courts, Machanic and many more so just bare in mind here on the ground we are also observent
Who in his right mind can really trust Zuma in S.Africa unless they want to destroy our country under Zuma
He cannot be trusted, a lot happened under his leadership.
Angela Jeffery write a disturbing book title."Anc Plan To Destroy SA"they succeeded well in doing just that.Only two people,Jacob Zuma and his folliw on Cyril Ramaphosa Phala Phala Ramadollar.🫢😯🤦♂️
I have great respect for this great intellectual and giant of Africa! He is aging now his ideas are great. A man of integrity.
I'm a Member of the ANC i will die as Member but i won't vote for them 😅😅
President Mbeki, please come back as President
- The country needs you.
your country, not SA
Mbheki is no1 umgodoyi
Mbeki was member of ANC yet campaigned co founded COPE! This man is a hypocrite!!!
He didn't campaign for Anc under Zuma actually he refused now he says he's obliged to compaign 😂
Hypocrite!!
@user-ug6pf7lg1w this ANC he's campaigning for is not corrupt?
Why didn't you ask him why he changed his mind about campaigning for the ANC.
You could have also asked him about the rumors of him forming COPE.
MK for life ❤
Mbeki is full of wisdom, i wish they truly gave him a full chance not rushing to destrone too early
He had said he was not going to campaign for an ANC that is led by a criminal but he has since changed his tune. Flip flopper
The criminals and criminally charged people are no longer leaders of the ANC. Didn't you hear about the new election slate of the ANC? Mbeki understands that the current leaders are not criminals.
Money broe
@@gambu4810 go comment in Zimbabwe. This is family affairs.
@@gambu4810 Phala Phala criminals are leading the ANC
@@gambu4810 🤣🤣🤣
The issues relating to the ANC and Jacob Zuma have in my understanding led to the current situation of confusion as to being a member of a party but campaigning against it. The correct position was that he(Zuma) should have had the decency to step aside before he was even called to, while the deputy pres if the ANC. But the party split into many factions and will die as a result. Leadership must put the needs of the people first but not in the case of Zuma.
As for a party that will change the political landscape to the point of delivery of services to the people regardless where the reside, no party can ever achieve that. The DA is not capable, all we have to do is look at the Western Cape
Mbeki did not want to vote for a criminal but suddenly is voting for criminals is money and positions
Mr President Mbeki you failed to talk about the Genocide that is happening in DR Congo instigated by Paul Kagane the same folk that is inviting you to a controversial genocide celebration. the genocide that happened in Rwanda it lack of truth and honestly.
😂😂😂😂 this guy mbheki , 2/3 majority did nothing
But you said you won't compain for thieves.
Old, forgetting and not knowing what he stands for
Otata umbeki siyKukhumbula 🎉🎉❤❤❤
Hayi! Ungasibali thina tuu. Awukahle bo!!
Umkhumbula wedwa🖐🏼
speak for yourself, please
The more Thabo Mbeki talks the more he soils his legacy. I used to like him a lot, but the more I learnt about the ANC and heard him provide cover for them is the more my respect for him dissipated.
Surely u wouldn't like to retain imbeciles in your support group. Would you?
It's doubtful that this global icon would enjoy your respect. Keep it.
@@ndamanekandamanei1965 and yet here you are supposing that your thoughts are valuable enough to share here.🤦😂😂
@@CyrilMphanga sometimes these mirrors can be deceiving... don't u think?
He has condemned state capture, & distanced himself from Mr. Zuma's tainted presidency.
His was'nt a perfect presidency too, it had obvious obstacles, & HIV-AIDS matter has left an indellible mark on his legacy.
However, his leadership built a solid foundation for South Africa, one that required Mr. Zuma to proceed with the work. He did not.
Sadly, Mr. Zuma's failures have become a lense through which we judge ANC's perfomance since 1994, rather than 2009 when he took over-a framework i find unjust & flawed, for, despite many failures under ANC, there has been great achievements under their governance...
Especially when Thabo Mbeki was both the deputy president & the president of South Africa.
He is mad he wants ubaba to lower himself to him
The idea that a party should choose it's leader is just criminal, until then we will still suffer in the hands of those we donate our votes to, regardless of who they are.
Thabo Mbeki is defending the Oppenheimer's interest in South Africa politics
Honourable Mbeki,you are quite right but there are young people who now take stand to fix South Africa and have answered your question of what kind of a country we want.Vote arise south Africa.
My brother died his tenure, refusing to rollout arv.
Mina it was my mom Bro
And Zuma rolled out ARV's, so do the right thing people
Were they injured in a war?
Stubborn Mbeki never apologized for killing our relatives through refusing to release ARVs, I wonder why does he never arrested for crimes in humanity
@@Lunga3 Mbeki never poisoned the water or the oxygen,he never infected your relatives with H.I.V
Even the developed countries were still sceptical about ARVs,who we are as South Africa to be sure that these things were going to work,even today ARVs are issued for free but our hospitals 85 % of patients that are lying in these beds are ARV and PTB defaulters.
Ppl today dnt want to go to clinics and take their medications,today condoms are for free ppl dnt want to condomise but still want multiple sex partners.
Mbeki is on point about DA's letter to the states 👏 👌
Even if you say that, you still know that Zuma was the best of all of you combined together .
you are a clown🤡
are you serious busi?
Yes he was the best especially for native South Africans
@@Qotha how come ? because during his reign there was rampant corruption , himself with the Guptas who as of this day they don't want to come back and defend themselves, remember their aircraft landed in an airport reserved for presidents only, during Zuma's reign. Don't talk about the economy because it was just downward spiral, no growth.
@@Kissmadolo Rampant corruption according to who, propagandists? who in his sober mind would want to come back to be prosecuted by a captured justice system that saw nothing wrong on Phala Phala?
Zuma is now giving most of us the reasons to vote for ANC. We have bn waiting for ANC to fire Zuma
Retire Old man, you're tired
😂😂😂😂
Why Thabo Mbkei you not interested in South Africa anymore to rescue South Africa please you most welcome to be a president
We are still going to vote MK. Go dance in the rain
Don't say we!Say you will vote for MK!I will never vote for a stubborn president including the EFF president!I rather vote IFP as a shangaan!It is a party that gives me hope now especially reading their manifesto about the death penalty and dealing with illegal foreigners and borders!
hamba juba lami bayokuchutha phambili
@@josiahmanganyi6917 im saying WE myself together with those likes and the rest of approximately 10 million MK membership... How about that? You should not respond on my comment if my comment doesn't concern you. Finish!
@@josiahmanganyi6917 go and vote for IFP it's not my business and I didn't ask you. Uyaphapha nje. IFP has sold out long time ago. You guys allow hate to rule. IFP's handlers is Oppenheimer tell me what black people get from those people? Do you even know how was IFP formed? Do you how many black people were murdered by IFP? Do you want me to go on and on???
Don't let the MA party to form the government with ANC party.
My president JZ, I only remember him reading a script saying 'in the beninging, in the......beni.. benini....in the beninging.'🤣
Mna I remember uBra Mbalula ethi parents must go to school and children must go to work eqhunye zidrugs 😅
The big mistake of maybe so to say a blunder was made by removing President Thabo Mbeki before his time.
What happened to your COPE , Mr Mbheki?😂😂😂😂😂
Zuma is not a character not worth an iota of being a president of S.Africa going by the dirty dealings he was involved in during his presidency
Zuma the Scooby-Doo
I must be missing something but how are people sticking up for Zuma when he was president for 10 years and didn't do what he says the Mk will do. he had 10 years to do what he says
yes You're definitely missing something, i mean a lot.
@SidoMadela it's ok to say 'l like zuma, wrong or right. I'm with him' the guy is very charismatic, funny. Entertains and sings very well. But let's not deceive ourselves, his leadership is a direct reason for the downfall of the country and the ANC
2/3 majority sdomu ndini. That gives you enough mp to change umthetho sisekelo stunxa ndini.
Ubavala amehlo futhi nabo sebevalekile,naye unomkhuhlane wenkohlakalo,😂😂
In the captured ANC majority view prevail and therefore how are you sure he was not out numbered because what he is talking about he has said those things in his speeches back then but not supported behind scenes, even when he announced free education he was widely insulated by the very same ANC leaders who have today reversed it
The best president, the ANC and SA ever had.
Do you mean Mbeki was the best get your fact straight Mandela betrayed Hani with Mbeki
Mbeki speaks for others when they are in jail but never said anything about Zuma in jail,is it a long time hatred
He benefited from ANC Policies.....His a Millioner and the Investors has spoken.
ANC IS WINNING LANDSLIDE KANT EN KLAAR🖤💛💚✊
Dream on, and don’t wake up. 😂😂😂😂
KANTS. KLAAR🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Landslide victory nationally But provincially,a HUGE 🗻 to climb😢😢😢😢
He himself said ANC re Mkodoyi
Uyagula uMbeki ,umphethwe ngumona
Absolutely, umona usuyamgulisa. Uphethwe ama-chestpains 😂
Comtaotsis Only people who lived in sa in the 80s will understand that jargon
Zuma wants to be buried by ANC that's why he keeps one foot inside and the other one scouting for uneducated ones for lost support. RIP MK party.
Bring Thabo back as president!!
Leave Zuma alone, concentrate on your cope.
weeeeh
President Mbeki is still a great African thinker and policy maker but falls short on implementation yet one of the great African Leaders of the CONTINENT not just South Africa. Ndiyabulela Tata ngomsebenzi wakho, amazwi akho ayakhuthaza. Amandla 🇿🇦🇿🇦
That on its own means nothing..mention what he did not just thinking..we all think..simply he said he wont campaign for anc now he's blaming Zuma for saying 😂😂😂..ixoki leli..#imenemene
He even wanted 3rd term as president..you call him the best..he was selfish with that
You must be out of your mind. Where on earth have you seen a great policy maker for Africa who is not ready to give the land back to the owners.
I think we should also remember how Thabo Mbeki killed many South Africans by denying the fact that HIV leads to Aids and that people should be provided with medication to supress this virus.
We have not forgoten that tgis is the very same Thabo Mbeki who assaulted Winnie Madikizela Mandela in full public view.
Gubtas are coming back thanks to MK party😂
Comrade Mbeki, I think we need to have a Forum where we vigorously look on what is a difference between comrades who fought against apartheid internally and those who went exile.
So says someone who said his vote is secret
Every citizen's vote is a secret. DAH!
@@lwazigobodo6840 everyone knows the narrative
MBEKI is AN Opportunist not a politician
Most of the comments come from a place of disappointment when Mbeki confirms he will be campaigning for his political party, the African National Congress. What were you expecting?
Thabo Mbeki for president .he is honest
Imigodoyi 😅😅
Let us outsource Mbeki into the AU ....
Zuma can do whatever he likes with his life and Mbeki must just get a life and mind his own business. We are now told that his wife is a billionaire, one wonders where she made all that money if not through Mbeki's connections (corruption). Mbeki must stop trying to improve his rotten legacy through badmouthing JZ
Time for ANC is over
He is correct.In fact he should say more about mk that’s threatening violence. Army and police must be geared up.
You are clueless and Dumb