As a woman who works extremely hard to succeed, Candy effing PISSES ME OFF. It’s goddamned HARD to get noticed at work anymore and you’re more likely to get fired for budgeting reasons or even no REAL reason at all than moved up anywhere these days. Half the time your boss doesn’t even know who you are. Candy’s boss not only knows who she is, but he NOTICES her. He takes note of her strengths and weaknesses, he watches her perform, he admires her talent and the things she can do and he takes EVERYTHING into consideration. And when he makes his final choice, he explains that while it’s not exactly what she wants, it’s exactly where she fits the best, where she’ll do the most good for the company, and why this role is more important than simply BEING Santa. She’s the one who won’t be seen, yes, but she’ll be the one getting shit done, making sure Christmas gets off the ground successfully every year. The company will effectively rely on her. And he decided this BECAUSE he saw what she was good at and what she wasn’t so good at and because he wanted to make sure she knew her true worth and value to the company. And she gets offended by this! Candy you dumbass, do you know how many women AND men would give anything for their bosses to take that kind of interest in them??? Screw this brat.
Ok i know you're enraged with the hellish writting of this show, but like, i really loved how expressive (and charismatic) your choice of words is. It really engaged me, it felt like you was one of those fun youtubers you find at 3am that simply talk bout random things cause they fell like it and, you know, make their interests fun to hear about and you look onto it a bit too? Ye random comparision lol but really, very cool writing
Did TH-cam remove my comment? Well, here I go retyping it I guess. I love how Santa gave her a completely valid reason as to why she couldn't be the next Santa and even gave her a good compromise. But the only thing she responded with was an insult. Then the writers realized that they made HIM look like a good person so they turned him into a twist villain.
@@guyferrari8124 perfect analogy, its exactly like it. Woke asshole doesn't like the one sensible, friendly person in the room for made up crap, tries to make them out to be the bad guy, ends up becoming the real asshole.
I laugh at how Seth Rogen was calling people who didn’t like the show white supremacists. Meanwhile, the show itself is basically filled with so many stereotypes, that it would make Adam Sandler look at you weirdly.
Me hearing Santa Inc. is universally hated: "How bad could it be?" Me having watched the trailer: "That looks like a compilation of everything wrong with 'adult' animation."
@@MariusWales it's made more noticeable that it came out just a month after Arcane. Which is not only the POLAR opposite and should be venerated as an example of what adult animation is capable of, but it's also, at most, a hard PG-13 instead of R that most seem to go for.
@@MariusWales I find it interesting that "adult" animation is often more juvenile than animation made for children, more so for children back in the 90s and early 2000s. Its like taking the limit off of the rating breaks something that kept creators from being...creative or something.
@@MariusWales I know right? How are the shows that are even meant to be catered towards children currently somehow even more mature overall then these types of shows along with covering mature topics better then the shows that are LITERALLY MADE for adults?! Imagine trying to compare this show to Amphibia for example, oh wait, I can't because the comparison is NONEXISTENT. Adult animation has got it all backwards! Just keep on thinking of and watching shows like Invincible or Primal to escape the sea of childish immaturity that Adult animation has been making of itself... It's almost like the people they get to create these shows are in reality just whiny, immature children themselves, weird huh?🙄 They're made like immature shows because they're made by immature people, simple as that.
The funny thing is I've heard that when adds are made for movies or shows, they use the best scenes to spice it up. Meaning the add for Santa Inc has the best it has to offer and still failed.
Another pretty good example of a stop-motion episode that tackles discrimination with humour is the episode of Moral Orel called “God’s Blunders”. It portrays the way disabled children are patronized really well while also retaining the show’s campy and satirical sense of adult humour. Also season three of that show was a freaking masterpiece.
THANK YOU I was looking for a comment abt Moral Orel, because that show is absolutely incredible in many aspects, ESPECIALLY with how they can get their point across without slaughtering their humor
@@abba9265 I think most of the episodes are on TH-cam but some of the music has been removed due to copyright. It’s a shame because some of the song choices are so good and I think it really enhances the show. The official episodes are on Adult Swim’s website if you have cable.
Unpacking morel Orel talks about the Flanderisarisation of characters… when you have such Transparent aims and no joke subtleties that’s what happens to your characters this is what happens to them, then nobody cares about your themes and plots, plus it’s not funny. morel Orel is a masterpiece
I like how in canon there’s a slur for reindeer (caribou) and then the girlboss protagonist owns a sexist reindeer character by hitting him with a car then leaving his dying body after calling him said slur
@@Kumaclaws except they're the SAME F*CKING THING, a caribou is a reindeer. Caribou is just what they're called in north America, while reindeer is more European in origin
@@wesxd5292 yeah that also caught me off-guard this is the first time in history where everybody is on the agreement The Santa Inc is the worst show to ever exist it
"From the creator's of Sausage Party" That makes A LOT of sense. This is basically a cartoon that they felt they had to add a lot of swears and edgelord humor just to give it its MA rating. And that's it.
I didn't really like that movie too much to be honest. I get why people like it but I think it's okay. Seriously try to make a show that is mature in ways beyond crude jokes and constant F bomb drops in it to get that MA rating.
I will never forget seth rogen especially how he poorly treated his animators on sausage party for working overtime with no pay and then threatening to blacklist them when they try to speak out about it
I realised something, listening to this. Santa had someone lined up to be a replacement for his personal benefit. Over time, he came to realise that his original choice was far from the best for the position, and instead turned to someone who actually had the necessary skills to do the job. They made a girlboss story and cast the 'girl' as the undeserving rival, somehow.
Honestly a company would gladly do that to a man as well. If you don’t have the guts for a role then you don’t. It’s not sexist. And all she’s doing is acting like a child who didn’t get what she wanted.
all while not undermining her achievements and still allowing her to stay an integral part of the company. And she STILL turned it down because she's a narcissist.
27:52 One of the most memorable jokes for me from, of all things, the Ducktales reboot. Scrooge and the gang were in the Himalayas, and, when Louie saw the size of the mountains, he said that he wasn't going to climb anything. He literally just hung out at the resort spa with his friend Launchpad for the entire episode. It was amazing.
"Candy is the worst protagonist ever and I would gladly punt kick her into the stratosphere if given the chance" Hey, dont short-change yourself my guy. Thats only our second layer, aim for the Exosphere!
@@tiruliru1189 There was a time the world hated Navi, announcing she was one of the worst video game characters ever. What simple, naive children we were.
As someone who worked as customer support for the platform this was streaming on... I can confirm. People HATED it. It wasn't until I went back and checked it out that I realized that all of those heated emails were completely justified. I usually say "hate the creator, not the streaming platform" when people hate on shows/movies that are streaming.... But this one.. This one never should have left the discussion boardroom and NOBODY should have streamed it. Ever. Absolutely awful.
Tbh hating the platform is entirely justified. NOT hating the customer support people who have no say in the matter. But a platform (and the people who decide what is shown on a platform) is responsible for giving bad/offensive/distasteful shows a "platform" where they can be seen. When a platform adds a show to its catalogue, it basically endorses that show and its message
Their one kid friendly show being better than "adult" ones really says a lot As the old saying goes, restrictions breed creativity. Apparently some people literally can't be creative without restrictions
That saying is horrible, we write off failures as lack of creativity because of it and create ignorance. This WAS their creativity but they failed with it. Creativity doesn't mean a success or even making something unique. By focusing or restraining yourself you tend to improve stuff because you LIMIT creativity. This show being restrictive would make it less creative for what they wanted. They would've focused on improving the restricted elements and likely results in improvement. Less creativity leads to more focus leads to higher quality.
@@Buglin_Burger7878 I understand your take, but that only works for creators who are not as competent, too many restrictions could lead to an overall bland experience, like the MCU has been getting.
Kinda like how in regular show they use chicken wings and spice sauce for things like beer and drugs, it's more funny they trying to adapt adult things in a kids show instead of just being an adult show and be like "wow this character got drunk guys how funny. Laugh."
I genuinely hope all of the animators of this go on to work on bigger, greater things, because I can’t imagine going through life with Santa Inc. being the only notable job on your resume.
My biggest issue with the show (and others) is that its so cynical. Which, especially in a _christmas_ based show is a terrible decision. Honestly, I'm just so exhausted with the cynicism in adult animated media. It's exhausting to be told that, "The world is terrible, everyone hates everyone else, happiness is a lie, etc." all the time when you just want to sit down and laugh. Not to mention being overly crass + overly cynical isn't mature in the slightest. Most "adult comedies" feel like a bunch of teenagers wrote them. Why is it that, instead of watching the stuff targeted at people my age, (21+) I get more enjoyment out of the stuff aimed at kids? Gravity Falls, The Owl House, The Dragon Prince, Green Eggs and Ham, Ducktales (the new one,) and so much more have been more enjoyable and have more meaning to them than the slop being thrown in the metaphorical "Adult animation" pig trough.
@@pidgedidge I thought it was ok at first but the characters grew to irritate me over time. I watched all of season 1. I hate Dewy. I hate how he is reckless and runs into trouble without thinking. He reminds me of Scrappy Doo. I dislike Heuy. He is dull even by sterotypical nerd standards. Lisa Simpson he ain't. Louie is the only good triplet he carries the show. I hate Della Duck she is the worst mother ever. She abandons her kids for a trill and the writers expect me to be sympathetic. Later Ducktales I'm never watching you again.
@@pidgedidge owl house s1 is meh, s2 however is surprisingly really good and a massive improvement in every way. The characters are written better, there's no filler, the new additions to the cast are fantastically written. Its like the moment disney stopped taking the reins on the series to force in episodes, plots, and make it something it wasn't it became basically a whole other better show. Would recommend it if you have even slight interest in it.
Smiling Friends is honestly one of the few adult animated shows that is not hyper cynical and the characters don't actively go out of their way to fuck eachother over.
The sad thing is, I can see how this basic premise could have worked, with only a bit of self-awareness and LOT of re-writes The way I (granted, an inexperienced writer) see it: Let's have two main characters: Candy and Santa. Candy is still surrounded by awful, unlikable people as her "friends" and family, but this time we actually treat them as being awful and show how their constant abuse made Candy into this selfish jerk convinced that she can only rely on herself Santa can be initially portrayed as jagged and burned-out: his marriage is crumbling, he has no real friends and he lost touch with what made him good at his job Their rivarly can gradually cause them to self-reflect and grow closer, eventually becoming friends. They could even develop a father-daughter like relationship, where Candy finally has someone who respects and cares about her as a person; and Santa finally has a true friend and someone who helped him reconnect with that jovial, helpful guy he once was. Oh, and obviously, it should have actual jokes, no whatever the hell the real thing had There, a guy with little writing experience came up with a basic idea for a story that actually feels like it belongs on Christmas: wholesome, with themes of familiar bonding and can still touch on serious issues, like toxic enviroments. Obviously that would require a creators that 1. are skilled and 2. give a crap about what Christmas means to people. Instead we got 30+ yo people who churned out something with story and humor as mature and sophisticated as ttrpg campaigns run by edgy 12-year-olds. TL:DR: There are obvious ways to make the premise work and be christmas-y if there was only some effort and self-awareness present. Remember to love your editors and beta-readers, kids
See, the issue with your pitch is that there's no way to spin it as a feminist power fantasy, or as an unsubtle reminder that chosenites can be as racist as they wish with zero recourse.
Honestly, that just sounds like you're describing Aggretsuko there. Her relationship between her and her (initially) abusive boss sounds exactly like what you wrote.
Adult oriented animation feels more childish than kids shows these days. Amphibia will kick every current adult show's ass. And Bluey explore topics rarely adult cartoons do with respect in these times, like the nature of death. Bluey, a preschooler show!
Amazing how boomers and those even older than them generally still show such disdain for the animated medium. I hope we'll see quality adult cartoons getting released that are not sitcoms.
@@miserirken you see that's the problem would adult animated series in America because they're mostly comedies and they rely too much on swear words, sex, and violence
The most baffling thing for me in this show is that they gave Santa a legit reason to pass over candy. However the inner cynic in me realize that they didn't intend for it to be seen as legit. The scene they wanted to make was clearly Candy being passed over for a white male who is no where near as skilled as her. However, Santa had already been established as wanting a progressive replacement for PR purposes. So for Santa to do this, he would need a reason. Candy would need to be genuinely bad at one aspect of the job. But at the same time, it had to be an aspect of the job that is very minor. Like firing a baker because he can't make Alfredo pasta. They treat santa's relationship with children to be a minor part of the job. Never mind that it was the desire to help children that STARTED the whole concept of Santa. Or the fact that Santa is one of the few imaginary things parents say is real, for the sake of their kids happiness. It doesnt matter, Children are a minor role in job that is Santa. At least, thats what the show says.
@@eatatjoes6751 Given that this is written by two people who have openly hated on the Christian ideals of Christmas in the past... They don't want Santa to do or represent anything meaningful. Because Santa represents something they abhore. Santa makes children and their childhoods happy, and Christ himself has said the sinless innocence of a child is something sacred... Something that should never be tarnished. It makes sense they'd be so angry a holiday about the birth of Christ, and the innocence and salvation it represents. Mathew 18:6 "If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."
@@soggybreadman4035 they are literally the toxic part of any religion that zealously hates on any religion, even though most religions that aren't cults promote peace and unity (yes, including Judaism). They are what give religion in general a bad name, and I'm not even religious, I'm just looking at the facts
I LOVE how when the writers of these trashfires make characters that the audience is "supposed to hate" they end up somehow being the only likeable ones in said show.
I think it's because they think that's bad, when it's not. I'm not sure how to explain it, but they think, or are unlikeable, but don't realize they are and put it in the show
@@markhirsch6301 they have a generally "bad" take, so when they go to make a villain for their take, they create a hero for the larger group of people with a "good" take. They don't understand that they're not in the right, because it never crossed their minds.
South Park perfected the idea of using swear words as punchline in "It hits the fan" a show where they said shit 160 times and wrote it out 40 times. The point of it was that they rare use of the word made it an occasional good punchline but if that is the basis for your comedy you are flawed. Santa Inc did not learn this lesson from 20 years ago
@@ghoulbuster1 What are you talking about? About 50% of US teachers have kids of their own at home. Bet that number would go up even more if we counted the kids that aren't theirs.
@@leobriccocola8141 eh, people who like kids a lot, are going to get jobs where they can be around kids more often also some creeps aren't willing to hurt their own children, they would rather go after other kids
Everyone must remember, animators do what they are asked to do, an awful script it's not their fault. So even if working on such dumpsterfire for experience, this shouldn't be a dark stain on their curriculum because they did their job fine.
The animation was the only good thing about this show, You can tell the people doing it actually cared about making a good final product. Sucks that the script they had to work with was awful.
The way to pull off the "trash a hotel room" joke would be to have her say "hell yeah, I can do that! I'll leave my used towels on the bathroom floor, I will take a robe home in my luggage, I will refill the empty minibar with water and put the bottles back!" Then the comedy would come from how tame her concept of trash a hotel room is and hence be humorous and set a baseline so that increasing crudeness could then mark a character development to the negative throughout the series
I've seen so many kid shows that are much more complex and mature than a lot of recent "adult" shows. BTAS and ATLA are two classics that not only stand the test of time, they also treat their audience with respect.
I called it. Not even watching clips of this show, I just knew Santa is one of the best characters in this show, simply because everyone is just more unlikeable than him. He also actually drives the plot, has actual depth and personality, and shows that he could be humanized. It's very ironic that this show, including high guardian spice, their best characters are men
Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me one bit that this show was made with a Christmas theme on purpose so that it would get intense backlash from Christians which then the production team could cash in for easy publicity points on Twitter. The whole thing is so cynical and mean spirited that I'm actually willing to believe that. Also, gotta love how even after one month, this show doesn't even have one single critical review in Rotten Tomatoes at all.
I really do despise how the Santa was actually trying really hard to be progressive and gave a totally reasonable excuse as to why he wasn't going to allow candi to take over (that speech was so prefect I was almost shocked by the sudden spike in the writing quality only to be deeply disappointed that it was just rendered meaningless)
Hearing that Seth Rogen is calling detractors of this show "nazis" or something like that is just... Wow. How unfortunate, I thought he was better than that. Made me lose a lot respect for him.
Cheers, me too. Steve Reviews also did one on it, and he has even more, new reasons why it's terrible garbage. He has some interesting takes on how the show almost had some good ideas and then fucked them the fuck up. I'd recommend for the schadenfreude.
The worst part is the stop motion looks pretty good just watching the clips with no sounds this looks like it would be a good show those poor animators didn’t deserve this
I have to say, with the topic of swearing comedy, I think if your joke needs to be "the character said the swear!" You could at least have it be a character very against swearing using the worst swear insult they can think of, or have them try to think of a bad swear insult and end up saying what every kindergartner thinks is the worst swear word, because then you can use the comedy of the character trying to think of a swear and failing, or do the whole shock thing where it subverts your expectations.
Robot Chicken nailed this with Emperor Palpatine. He’s all calm and formal and polite, but once his nerves wear down he loses his shit like an angry manager at the office. In fact that’s what made a lot of their Star Wars skits so funny: they apply normal Earthly behaviors and workplace relationships to Star Wars, and it’s some of the funniest shit I’ve ever seen. The Emperor’s Phone Call is easily one of my favorite pieces of comedy ever.
In the Guardians of Gahool book series (the one with the owls) the writer established one in-universe swear word as the absolute foulest word someone could say and practically made it the most uptight character's catchphrase. Granted it was more a character moment against banned books but it's still kinda funny she swore like a sailor after that.
Coming from a stop-motion fan like most others who are actually aware of the genre (of a medium that is animation), I don’t know what’s worse. Hell and Back, or this, or Glenn Martin DDS by Nickelodeon and the (former) evil Disney CEO Michael Eisner?
God from these clips this show LOOKS amazing. I'm a huge fan of stop motion and the different character designs and Christmas gags are genuinely cool. It feels like the people who wrote and executed the show are much different from the people who actually did the art.
Honestly the thing about Santa wanting to get political brownie points is funny seeing as whole show has that corporate “woke” feel. Like some how everything they do feels like behind the scenes there were writers and producers and all who wanted to make the show seem was woke despite not giving a toss about it and just made it look woke on the most basic of levels and somehow failed in being progressive in every conceivable way. Ironically, the show itself is trying harder to get brownie points than Santa is while caring about what it preaches even less
And funnily enough unlike everything else on the show it feels actually somewhat topical. It's not that it's "political", or "negative" (case in point, the #1 rated show is Squid Game, which is about economic failure and extremely fucking dark), it's that THE WRITING IS SHIT. The characters don't need to be likable, they just need to be interesting. They're neither (except for Santa who should be the real protagonist). EDIT: Also, if the writers didn't make everyone so god damn awful for the sake of a gag in a serious story and actually had some god damn tonal consistency the story might actually be tolerable. It's not that Santa is three dimensional, it's that everyone else is ONE-DIMENSIONAL. Like JS said, there are good stories about discrimination (Everybody Hates Chris, that Rick and Morty Episode), it's just that this one fails because the writing is shit.
@@DarthMcDoomington Pretty much every show that was released in the last 5 years has PC all over it. That still dumps them in the meh bin as there's still an agenda driving the product instead of what should matter, which is a good story.
I still get an aneurism whenever you casually mention your age as the realization you’re younger than me somehow and yet making bomb-ass TH-cam videos hits my brain like a train smashing into a brick wall. I deeply admire that dedication to working with your talent!
Honestly, I feel like half of the things wrong with this show and its characters could have been solved by that one scene where Candy hit the misogynist deer guy. The show illustrates that he deserved it, but it just wasn't a satisfying scene at all. It just made her seem cold and vengeful. Alternatively, she could have dragged him to her car and hauled him to a hospital and left him in the ER, even if begrudgingly, and the next time he appeared he would have changed, becoming humble and repentant, and acting as an advocate for Candy to Santa even though no longer part of the inner circle with his severe injuries. Using that scene as a turning point could have redeemed Candy as a deserving protagonist and made her actually likeable. And like, it's Christmas. Showing mercy to those who have hurt you, even if they don't deserve it, is kind of one of the most Christmassy things you can do.
You know what? People complained about how boring and sanitized old sitcoms were with their functional families and mundane average crises to go through. But look at the awful feedback loop that portraying All families as shitty in sitcoms has created. It honestly feels like people in every single family in the world are actually as bad as that sitcom family that can't function like married with children or Roseanne. And I'll be one of the first to admit, there's a good chunk of a couple generations that have been messed up by bad parents. But I'll also be the first one to point to the fact that there are good parents out there. Hollywood is fed us shit for decades, and we wonder why everybody feels like shit and thinks everything is shit. Of course, Hollywood also happens to exemplify a lot of the negative stereotypes they decry.
@@WaspCameraInSpringfieldThe bitter people who grew up with broken families are adults now and they are just projecting it in the shows they create. They refuse to seek help and deal with their problems so they take it out on anyone around them and everyone unfortunate enough to see their garbage creations.
ironic from Seth "you are all supremacists" rogan having nothing but stereotypes on his "show" is almost like Hollywood is full of projecting hypocrites
Stop motion has so MUCH potential for really good story telling and comedy. Seeing such an amazing form of animation being used for the same old boring adult schlock makes me upset. Shows and movies like the shivering truth and so many more get swept under the rug, most if not all of stop motion has been turned into it. It’s saddening really.
Someone else mentioned this and I wanna share more of it, its funny how Candy has been trying to emulate more masculine traits throughout the whole show but what didn't get her the job was the lack of the feminine trait of being nurturing towards children. If they somehow spun the story around and actually showed Candy *is* good with kids but due to her trying to be so stereotypically male Santa didn't realize, they really couldve saved the show. Or idk, just agree to working behind the scenes with Devon as the face wouldve been cool too.
Lets be honest , seth rogen and sarah silverman will never do to hannukah what they did in santa inc. Just imagine they did hannukah inc. , he would be banned by his own side even before showing it 😂
@@MariusWales Eight Crazy Nights actually had an underlying message where holiday spirit can help you heal, and that while people can be cruel and heartless at their worst, don't lose hope. There's always going to be that one person, or better yet, a bunch of people who still believe in kindness and warmth.
Even through all of our disputes and disagreements, it was still marvelous to watch humanity come together and say in unison how shit this "show" was. And I also hate the way it changed the portrayal of the stop motion community as a whole. To any of you stop motion people out there, don't let garbage like this way you down, and keep up your good work
Clearly, everyone went unison, because Santa Inc. is nothing more than a straw breaking the camel's back. It's basically 2021's nail in the coffin. Hollywood is a hellhole
Arthur Christmas did this sooooooo much better also why the fuck wasn’t amazon the villain? It was such a perfect setup! Candy could’ve come to terms with the fact that she wasn’t santa and begins helping devin and then the original black santa who defected to amazon could’ve come back as a twist villain. It was so close!
While this Santa is still have a lot of bad qualities, I actually somewhat enjoy the take on Santa. This grounds him more as an actual person, now it’s done trying to slander him. But the moments where he shines make him the only likable character. This Santa isn’t perfect, and it’s a bit of a new take on the big red man. But I can still see why he’s the only likable character
you know what’s kinda funny about this show? the show constantly shouts at the top of it’s lungs that it cares about women & all white men are sexist, while at the same time, pretty much all of the female characters are unlikable
I love how Santa gave her a completely valid reason as to why she couldn't be the next Santa and even gave her a good compromise. But the only thing she responded with was an insult. Then the writers realized that they made HIM look like a good person so they turned him into a twist villain.
"Sarah Silverman was miscast" No, you're mistaken. Sarah Silverman is perfect for Candy, since she herself is essentially Silverman with the mask off. She wasn't miscast, she's too well cast, and that's why she's awful.
I know you made this comment a year ago, but I'm glad someone else said it. I don't know why anyone likes Silverman. Not only is she not a good comedian, she went full hog in on this "oppression" nonsense to hide her own incompetence.
@@ForeverLaxx I still remember that YT Award show where Norm MacDonald made fun of Sarah for talking in "Commie gobbleygook" and you could see Sarah doing her best to not rage on camera.
That actually could be a fun idea for a Christmas special. Showing the origins of Santa being awful at manufacturing or running teams of elves but is great with kids understanding them. Showing Saint Nick team up with someone to be the combo that makes Christmas work. But maybe they feel under appreciated and feel Santa takes all the credit so they quit. And so people have to grow as characters to come back together to make Christmas work.
Saint Nicholas pairing up with the former Norse god Odin. Nicholas is uneasy with having to work with a pagan war god and Odin is miffed about having to partner with a mortal.
Concerning stop motion TV, I find it funny so few remember Shaun the Sheep, which is still ongoing, has two movies and was pretty much BBC's 'mascot' for their Xmas marketing this year. No swearing, minimal toilet humour, hell the characters don't even really talk, it's just fun well animated silent comedy thus a great demonstration of stop motion's abilities. People tend to like it when they remember it, but that's always the hurdle it seems.
I am VERY disappointed that you didn’t mention Wallace and Gromit or Shaun the Sheep. The latter had such a good movie, and it didn’t even need a single line of dialogue to be amazing Edit: oh. This show was made by the same creators of Sausage Party. No wonder it’s humor is so bad
Not only that, Aardman Animations did a Chrismas movie of their own. The CGI film "Arthur Christmas". It did what "Santa Inc." tried to do - "Vying for the title of Santa" better. Grandpa Santa, Current Santa, and Santa's First Born Son are trying to prove they should be Santa. The second born son Arthur is the one who genuinely understands the spirit of being Santa.
The premise of a woman who wanted to be the big boss of a huge company/enterprise but was denied for obvious reasons was done a hundred times better in Netflix's 'Inside Job' and Reagan is actually likeable as a lead protagonist.
Evil can not create anything new, it can only corrupt what is already there. Did you have an innocent and pure stop motion christmas show in your childhood? Then you'd love a show that takes everything pure about it and makes it filthy.
I can just picture the writing room coming up with the script for the show and realizing that they made Santa the only likable character so they decided to make him a surprise villain at the end. Either that or they are really, really bad at their jobs.
The only recent example of "and then the opposite happens" working is in Spiderverse where one of the spidermen says "there's no way it's that easy" and cut to "it was that easy," and I think that it's because the joke wasn't just "and then the opposite happens," more so the setup was the overly complex heist plan that is common in cartoons that requires way to much to go right, a character from a separate universe where this wouldn't happen pointing out how implausible it is, but then it goes exactly as planned, so it is more "and then the opposite of the opposite happens," which is unique in a way.
@@SonicSkychaser Well that and in terms of premise, what if it was simply about Candy enjoying her job as one of Santa's elves, but is sad because she feels that due to her being Jewish, Hanukkah is often overshowed by Christmas and wishes to give Hanukkah more acknowledgement. Not so much convert people to being Jewish, but simply give the holiday more recognition. Santa encourages her to try and spread Hanukkah cheer, and she sets off to do just that. That's all I got at the moment. Anything you'd like to add to this rewrite?
Raunchy Christmas humor can work. Anti-Christmas humor can work. These fools make me question if they even know what humor is, let alone the rest of human emotion. How do you fuck up so badly that the only character there that has a decent point and isn't a complete waste of carbon besides the token goober is the character that the series is saying you should hate the most? This show is not only insulting, it actively undermines the causes it supposedly supports just by association. Their antics in response to criticism add fuel to the fire as well. Seth Rogen should stick to weed jokes, Sarah Silverman should stick to voicing kids, and the rest of the writers should go back to flipping burgers.
I absolutely hate this show. The one positive thing I'll say is that the show is a stop-motion animated show and doesn't even look bad most of the time. This, in fairness, is worthy of some praise due to the fact that stop-motion takes a lot of time, even for short projects, let alone a TV show. Everything other than this is just a disaster. Not one likable character exists in the show, the show is super political, and feels like everyone involved with the show outright hates Christmas. All around, it feels like a project without an ounce of passion anywhere.
It feels like Stoopid Buddy realized that the "Childish characters doing adult things" joke got old a while ago; yet instead of coming up with anything better they just started using different childish themes hoping that would count as variety. By using Christmas themes here, and soon before, the fisher Price toys for crossing Swords, they're hoping that just looking even more kid friendly will make the presence of adult humor more jarring. The Problem is this isn't really changing the joke, they're just hoping giving it a different look will qualify as a different idea.
For once I wanna see a joke where the setup has you convinced that it’s gonna be “they say one thing and then the opposite thing happens” but then the punchline is that everything they said really happened
I never watched this show, but every time it tries to make Santa look like the bad guy, it just makes him look like he's...accepting tips? Am I misreading that, or is accepting tips a villainous trait these days?
if ppl havent seen it, Mary and Max is a wonderful stop motion film with a beautiful story that doesnt depend on the novelty of its medium even though it's very well made. I think it's really soothing for the lonely soul. Fair warning; there are some upsetting themes that are explored and I wouldn't watch it without looking into it a little bit if you're in a bad place.
Not just stop motion, but why does almost all of adult animation have to translate into a blank check for overly indulging in the most juvenile, grotesque, and raunchy forms of comedy as possible. Just cause kids aren’t watching and you can address mature subject matters, that doesn’t mean you don’t have to try to try anymore. Heck, even when mature subjects are addressed, kids shows and anime still do a better job. Compared to the variety offered by anime and children’s/family animated by shows, it makes me wonder if they’ll even aware of the existence of other genres and tones.
If you want a new Christmas special, that came out this year, actually make you laugh and give you that great feeling of the Christmas spirit with actual likable characters I gladly recommend *Middlemost Post: Parker Saves Christmas*
And how could we forget the fact, that caribou in this universe is stylized as an n*word style swear against reindeer. And candy uses it against a dying Junior, hrmmm 🤔. Bit scuffed, me thinks.
i haven’t seen anyone mention morel orel. it came out in 2005 and its a wonderful stop-motion adult animation. it goes from a comedy to a drama and it’s a fantastic watch. the first season is not the best, as it tries to be funny but as the show shifts in the 2nd and 3rd season, the characters shine through and it hits a very emotional note, especially to people with religious trama. it’s fantastic and all free on youtube. it was a shame it was canceled so soon.
If you wanna see a stop motion tv show that isn't a Robot Chicken clone, you should check out The Shivering Truth. It's still tries to be an outlandish show in stop motion, but in a way that's wierd and absurd and not raunchy and cursing all the time.
The fact that Candy wants to be Santa but openly despises children shows that despite Santa's wrongdoings, he picks the children first. Santa is about the kids, how could she ever hope to be remotely close to Santa without the kids?
HBO Max: "We have Infinity Train, The Snyder Cut, and exclusive streaming rights to South Park!" Disney+: "We don't have Santa Inc." Yeah... No wonder Disney+ is dominating the streaming wars.
Honestly, I think it would have made for a much more interesting story for Candy to basically become so toxic in her beliefs and goals that she basically drives away all of her friends, ultimately resulting in someone she has nothing against getting severely hurt due to her actions. Seeing this, Candy runs away in fear of what she’s done and realizing what she’s become. Cut to her in her room several weeks later. Her mother comes in to try and console her over everything that’s happened, before asking her why she *really* wanted the job. Was it because she thought she could do better, or because she wanted the fame and recognition despite not having the one quality that makes Santa Santa- A genuine connection with children. Then, to Candy’s surprise, Santa shows up. Candy asks why Santa is here after everything she’s done, and Santa tells her ‘Candy, what you did was incredibly selfish, stupid and immature. However, I wouldn’t be worthy of my position as Santa if I couldn’t forgive you and give you a second chance. I meant what I said before: You’re the best person to run the company, but not to be Santa. The position is still available if you want it, because I genuinely believe you’re the best person to run this business. I won’t lie to you: It won’t be easy starting off. You have a *lot* to make right, but I believe you have the fortitude to fix your mistakes and apologize. What do you say?’ Candy pauses, then stands up and holds her hand forward. ‘Mr. Kringle, you’ve got yourself a deal!’
Its kind of wild that currently Santa Inc is gone. It was removed from HBO Max and im certain theres no way to watch it legally. Show wasnt good at all, but to be nuked from the net? Thats wild.
There comes a point when adult animation is even more childish than anime or kids cartoons. Modern Family Guy, Paradise PD and Santa Inc. are prime examples of how NOT to make an adult animation.
Imo another show that did this type of everyone sucks was Archer. But they did it right. The jokes clicked and made sense and every new episode dove more into the depth of the characters. From Archer and Lana to Ms. Archer and Ceril. Even Ray and Kreiguer. Everyone was an A hole and crude but for good reasons. It was golden comedy and had nice references. This show was just bad like a cash grab made by some middler schooler high on the devil's lettuce.
I really do miss the days of Ray Harryhausen, he literally helped innovate what stop motion is. Sure we had Willis O'Brien but Harryhausen refined and perfected the art form and managed to create an entire catalog of life like creatures, just look at the Skeletons in Jason and the Argonauts, Gwangi or the crab and bee from Mysterious Island. I might as well shill 1957's The Black Scorpion, which has some of the best stop motion sequences ever filmed, done by Willis O'Brien but mostly Pete Peterson, who previously worked on 1949's Mighty Joe Young and later 1959's The Giant Behemoth.
Despite everything you've already stated in the video almost perfectly, the biggest problem with Santa Inc is that if you view it without context of what the creators intended, the show almost comes off as a parody. Seriously, if I was making a spoof to lampoon the current trend of exaggerated Woke media, I probably would've made the exact same decisions... Right down to the Santa Virtue Signaling, to the horrendously one-note stereotyped characters, to the completely detestable protagonist with zero redeemable qualities yet we're supposed to like an sympathize with or else. Heck, even ignoring completely valid and legitimate reasons why this character isn't qualified for the job she wants, she just didn't get the gig because of sexism of course, just screams parody to me. Even the marketing of , if you don't like this show you're a sexist white supremist fits in perfectly. The only difference I would've made is to you know... Actually make the show funny. This wasn't a parody though, and that's the sad part. It's a common problem with today's media, when political messaging takes priority over quality, and those creators not understanding what the problems people have with that brand of messaging actually are. This was an attempt to mix Seth's brand of high school toilet humor with a woke feminist message that does a much better job spoofing the concept itself than promoting it. Great job Seth, you should really go back to just being a professional pothead.
@@andykishore I live in one of the most religious cities in Israel and there are Christmas trees and decoration pretty much everywhere. "God's house is God's house". I wish he'd just speak for himself non of us who have more than two braincells to rub together could care less about his personal vendetta with a FICTIONAL holiday mascot.
I’ll never understand how “adult humor” always falls into the pit of elementary school level jokes that wouldn’t even get a chuckle from a 13 year old
...well, back then, because it was new.
Now it's because people have brains the size of pickles.
As a 14 year old, south park is still pretty funny i think
Bad writers confuse being adult and not being allowed as a PG rating too much when it comes to comedy
@@armageddongirl612 You are not 14 you have a Homestuck pfp
@@Terranallias18 ...why does my homestuck pfp exclude me being 14 years old?
As a woman who works extremely hard to succeed, Candy effing PISSES ME OFF. It’s goddamned HARD to get noticed at work anymore and you’re more likely to get fired for budgeting reasons or even no REAL reason at all than moved up anywhere these days. Half the time your boss doesn’t even know who you are.
Candy’s boss not only knows who she is, but he NOTICES her. He takes note of her strengths and weaknesses, he watches her perform, he admires her talent and the things she can do and he takes EVERYTHING into consideration. And when he makes his final choice, he explains that while it’s not exactly what she wants, it’s exactly where she fits the best, where she’ll do the most good for the company, and why this role is more important than simply BEING Santa. She’s the one who won’t be seen, yes, but she’ll be the one getting shit done, making sure Christmas gets off the ground successfully every year. The company will effectively rely on her. And he decided this BECAUSE he saw what she was good at and what she wasn’t so good at and because he wanted to make sure she knew her true worth and value to the company.
And she gets offended by this! Candy you dumbass, do you know how many women AND men would give anything for their bosses to take that kind of interest in them??? Screw this brat.
You should write a book
@@SynthpoptroubadourI’ve considered it lol
Ok i know you're enraged with the hellish writting of this show, but like, i really loved how expressive (and charismatic) your choice of words is.
It really engaged me, it felt like you was one of those fun youtubers you find at 3am that simply talk bout random things cause they fell like it and, you know, make their interests fun to hear about and you look onto it a bit too?
Ye random comparision lol but really, very cool writing
You should definitely write a book
The fact the writers tried to make Santa unlikable and failed to the point where he is the only likable character in the show is just... Wow...
I think it's funny
Did TH-cam remove my comment? Well, here I go retyping it I guess.
I love how Santa gave her a completely valid reason as to why she couldn't be the next Santa and even gave her a good compromise. But the only thing she responded with was an insult. Then the writers realized that they made HIM look like a good person so they turned him into a twist villain.
@@user-jl7cz2pe6d and then Seth rogen complain nobody watching his stupide show and say where all whitesupremaciste
Reminds me of the new guy meme
@@guyferrari8124 perfect analogy, its exactly like it. Woke asshole doesn't like the one sensible, friendly person in the room for made up crap, tries to make them out to be the bad guy, ends up becoming the real asshole.
I laugh at how Seth Rogen was calling people who didn’t like the show white supremacists. Meanwhile, the show itself is basically filled with so many stereotypes, that it would make Adam Sandler look at you weirdly.
Hot damn you right
Putting Seth Rogen in the same tier as Adam Sandler is an insult to Adam Sandler.
Never trust anyone with the sence of humor and mentality of a stoned 12 year old.
What Adam Sandler do?
@@llo3755 In his movies there are a lot of stereotypes but atleast he doesnt go around acting like hes enlightened
Me hearing Santa Inc. is universally hated: "How bad could it be?"
Me having watched the trailer: "That looks like a compilation of everything wrong with 'adult' animation."
How sad is it that this kind of ‘adult’ animation is the most juvenile thing anyone can think of?
@@MariusWales it's made more noticeable that it came out just a month after Arcane. Which is not only the POLAR opposite and should be venerated as an example of what adult animation is capable of, but it's also, at most, a hard PG-13 instead of R that most seem to go for.
@@MariusWales I find it interesting that "adult" animation is often more juvenile than animation made for children, more so for children back in the 90s and early 2000s. Its like taking the limit off of the rating breaks something that kept creators from being...creative or something.
@@MariusWales I know right? How are the shows that are even meant to be catered towards children currently somehow even more mature overall then these types of shows along with covering mature topics better then the shows that are LITERALLY MADE for adults?! Imagine trying to compare this show to Amphibia for example, oh wait, I can't because the comparison is NONEXISTENT.
Adult animation has got it all backwards! Just keep on thinking of and watching shows like Invincible or Primal to escape the sea of childish immaturity that Adult animation has been making of itself... It's almost like the people they get to create these shows are in reality just whiny, immature children themselves, weird huh?🙄 They're made like immature shows because they're made by immature people, simple as that.
The funny thing is I've heard that when adds are made for movies or shows, they use the best scenes to spice it up. Meaning the add for Santa Inc has the best it has to offer and still failed.
Another pretty good example of a stop-motion episode that tackles discrimination with humour is the episode of Moral Orel called “God’s Blunders”. It portrays the way disabled children are patronized really well while also retaining the show’s campy and satirical sense of adult humour. Also season three of that show was a freaking masterpiece.
THANK YOU I was looking for a comment abt Moral Orel, because that show is absolutely incredible in many aspects, ESPECIALLY with how they can get their point across without slaughtering their humor
I wish they would have gotten the greenlight for season 4. The show was so good.
Where can I watch it?
@@abba9265 I think most of the episodes are on TH-cam but some of the music has been removed due to copyright. It’s a shame because some of the song choices are so good and I think it really enhances the show. The official episodes are on Adult Swim’s website if you have cable.
Unpacking morel Orel talks about the Flanderisarisation of characters… when you have such Transparent aims and no joke subtleties that’s what happens to your characters this is what happens to them, then nobody cares about your themes and plots, plus it’s not funny. morel Orel is a masterpiece
I like how in canon there’s a slur for reindeer (caribou) and then the girlboss protagonist owns a sexist reindeer character by hitting him with a car then leaving his dying body after calling him said slur
Aren't caribou real?
@@microwave8931 yeah, I can only assume it’s written like a racist jab along the lines of “they all look the same”
What's supposed to be a "How do you like them apples?" sentiment fell flat on its face.
@@Kumaclaws except they're the SAME F*CKING THING, a caribou is a reindeer. Caribou is just what they're called in north America, while reindeer is more European in origin
@@Kumaclaws It could be the equivalent of referring to humans as 'monkeys'.
I absolutely love how everyone in the world is unifying and coming together to say this show is utter shit.
Even Rotten Tomato thinks the show sucks it only got a 4% how many shows you know have that low of a score
@@animezilla4486 not even the critics are coming out to save the show... That's how bad it is lmao
@@wesxd5292 yeah that also caught me off-guard this is the first time in history where everybody is on the agreement The Santa Inc is the worst show to ever exist it
And according to Seth Rogen, we’re all racist.😐
A Christmas miracle!
"From the creator's of Sausage Party"
That makes A LOT of sense. This is basically a cartoon that they felt they had to add a lot of swears and edgelord humor just to give it its MA rating. And that's it.
The Webb-Telescope, it has started and now sends Data. Science is expecting epic things from this Data...
True. And Sausage Party is horrible, one of the worst movies I've ever watched, if not the worst. This Santa Inc show is just like that.
I didn't really like that movie too much to be honest. I get why people like it but I think it's okay. Seriously try to make a show that is mature in ways beyond crude jokes and constant F bomb drops in it to get that MA rating.
And to think I actually liked Sausage Party and was wanting to gonna see it at the cinema!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wonder if the creators are thinking too much about fame?
I will never forget seth rogen especially how he poorly treated his animators on sausage party for working overtime with no pay and then threatening to blacklist them when they try to speak out about it
That actually happened?
@@nendymion yep it was actually huge news in the animantion community back in 2016
@@Pretzelcoatlus
Easy there dude. Don't throw around words like that around, your devaluing the meaning of them.
Actually it was one of the co-directors, Greg Tiernan, who blackmailed those animators into working overtime.
Why am I not surprised?
I realised something, listening to this.
Santa had someone lined up to be a replacement for his personal benefit. Over time, he came to realise that his original choice was far from the best for the position, and instead turned to someone who actually had the necessary skills to do the job.
They made a girlboss story and cast the 'girl' as the undeserving rival, somehow.
And yet we have to side with her.
Honestly a company would gladly do that to a man as well. If you don’t have the guts for a role then you don’t. It’s not sexist. And all she’s doing is acting like a child who didn’t get what she wanted.
all while not undermining her achievements and still allowing her to stay an integral part of the company. And she STILL turned it down because she's a narcissist.
27:52 One of the most memorable jokes for me from, of all things, the Ducktales reboot. Scrooge and the gang were in the Himalayas, and, when Louie saw the size of the mountains, he said that he wasn't going to climb anything. He literally just hung out at the resort spa with his friend Launchpad for the entire episode. It was amazing.
Based Es profile pic
@@yourverybestfriend1263 agreed
Ah, yes, the most unexpected joke.
Saying something and then actually doing it.
"Candy is the worst protagonist ever and I would gladly punt kick her into the stratosphere if given the chance"
Hey, dont short-change yourself my guy. Thats only our second layer, aim for the Exosphere!
Remember when the worst characters were the ones that were annoying? Ffs, can't we go back in that time?!
@@tiruliru1189 There was a time the world hated Navi, announcing she was one of the worst video game characters ever. What simple, naive children we were.
@@vocalcalibration8033 To quote Thanos: _"Perhaps I've treated you too harshly."_
Forget Exosphere, PUNT HER TO PLUTO!
the sun is a good target.
As someone who worked as customer support for the platform this was streaming on... I can confirm. People HATED it. It wasn't until I went back and checked it out that I realized that all of those heated emails were completely justified. I usually say "hate the creator, not the streaming platform" when people hate on shows/movies that are streaming.... But this one.. This one never should have left the discussion boardroom and NOBODY should have streamed it. Ever. Absolutely awful.
Tbh hating the platform is entirely justified. NOT hating the customer support people who have no say in the matter. But a platform (and the people who decide what is shown on a platform) is responsible for giving bad/offensive/distasteful shows a "platform" where they can be seen. When a platform adds a show to its catalogue, it basically endorses that show and its message
I'm just going to pretend Santa Inc. does not exist. I don't want to give the "I smoke weed!" guy any more attention.
Good for you
the only attention he deserves is his "pussy" sound effect
that one is fine
Seth Rogan ruined marijuana
Their one kid friendly show being better than "adult" ones really says a lot
As the old saying goes, restrictions breed creativity. Apparently some people literally can't be creative without restrictions
What’s that kid friendly show?
@@Thomperfan it was mentioned in video, buddy thunderstruck
That saying is horrible, we write off failures as lack of creativity because of it and create ignorance.
This WAS their creativity but they failed with it. Creativity doesn't mean a success or even making something unique.
By focusing or restraining yourself you tend to improve stuff because you LIMIT creativity.
This show being restrictive would make it less creative for what they wanted. They would've focused on improving the restricted elements and likely results in improvement. Less creativity leads to more focus leads to higher quality.
@@Buglin_Burger7878 I understand your take, but that only works for creators who are not as competent, too many restrictions could lead to an overall bland experience, like the MCU has been getting.
Kinda like how in regular show they use chicken wings and spice sauce for things like beer and drugs, it's more funny they trying to adapt adult things in a kids show instead of just being an adult show and be like "wow this character got drunk guys how funny. Laugh."
I genuinely hope all of the animators of this go on to work on bigger, greater things, because I can’t imagine going through life with Santa Inc. being the only notable job on your resume.
My biggest issue with the show (and others) is that its so cynical. Which, especially in a _christmas_ based show is a terrible decision. Honestly, I'm just so exhausted with the cynicism in adult animated media. It's exhausting to be told that, "The world is terrible, everyone hates everyone else, happiness is a lie, etc." all the time when you just want to sit down and laugh. Not to mention being overly crass + overly cynical isn't mature in the slightest. Most "adult comedies" feel like a bunch of teenagers wrote them. Why is it that, instead of watching the stuff targeted at people my age, (21+) I get more enjoyment out of the stuff aimed at kids? Gravity Falls, The Owl House, The Dragon Prince, Green Eggs and Ham, Ducktales (the new one,) and so much more have been more enjoyable and have more meaning to them than the slop being thrown in the metaphorical "Adult animation" pig trough.
Owl House and the Ducktales reboot are horrible. Gravity Falls rocks though.
@@icecreamhero2375 the Owl House is meh but I thought the Ducktales reboot was great. What didn’t you like about it?
@@pidgedidge I thought it was ok at first but the characters grew to irritate me over time. I watched all of season 1. I hate Dewy. I hate how he is reckless and runs into trouble without thinking. He reminds me of Scrappy Doo. I dislike Heuy. He is dull even by sterotypical nerd standards. Lisa Simpson he ain't. Louie is the only good triplet he carries the show. I hate Della Duck she is the worst mother ever. She abandons her kids for a trill and the writers expect me to be sympathetic. Later Ducktales I'm never watching you again.
@@pidgedidge owl house s1 is meh, s2 however is surprisingly really good and a massive improvement in every way. The characters are written better, there's no filler, the new additions to the cast are fantastically written.
Its like the moment disney stopped taking the reins on the series to force in episodes, plots, and make it something it wasn't it became basically a whole other better show.
Would recommend it if you have even slight interest in it.
Smiling Friends is honestly one of the few adult animated shows that is not hyper cynical and the characters don't actively go out of their way to fuck eachother over.
The sad thing is, I can see how this basic premise could have worked, with only a bit of self-awareness and LOT of re-writes
The way I (granted, an inexperienced writer) see it:
Let's have two main characters: Candy and Santa.
Candy is still surrounded by awful, unlikable people as her "friends" and family, but this time we actually treat them as being awful and show how their constant abuse made Candy into this selfish jerk convinced that she can only rely on herself
Santa can be initially portrayed as jagged and burned-out: his marriage is crumbling, he has no real friends and he lost touch with what made him good at his job
Their rivarly can gradually cause them to self-reflect and grow closer, eventually becoming friends. They could even develop a father-daughter like relationship, where Candy finally has someone who respects and cares about her as a person; and Santa finally has a true friend and someone who helped him reconnect with that jovial, helpful guy he once was.
Oh, and obviously, it should have actual jokes, no whatever the hell the real thing had
There, a guy with little writing experience came up with a basic idea for a story that actually feels like it belongs on Christmas: wholesome, with themes of familiar bonding and can still touch on serious issues, like toxic enviroments.
Obviously that would require a creators that 1. are skilled and 2. give a crap about what Christmas means to people. Instead we got 30+ yo people who churned out something with story and humor as mature and sophisticated as ttrpg campaigns run by edgy 12-year-olds.
TL:DR: There are obvious ways to make the premise work and be christmas-y if there was only some effort and self-awareness present.
Remember to love your editors and beta-readers, kids
See, the issue with your pitch is that there's no way to spin it as a feminist power fantasy, or as an unsubtle reminder that chosenites can be as racist as they wish with zero recourse.
Honestly, that just sounds like you're describing Aggretsuko there. Her relationship between her and her (initially) abusive boss sounds exactly like what you wrote.
there's irony in santa being the only dimensional, likeable character, and everyone else being dimensionless, hateful and negative personalities
If only he was actually portrayed as a good guy
I personally don't think adult animation is dying, it's just how it's used nowadays.
Adult oriented animation feels more childish than kids shows these days. Amphibia will kick every current adult show's ass. And Bluey explore topics rarely adult cartoons do with respect in these times, like the nature of death. Bluey, a preschooler show!
And that is why Bluey once took the #1 spot on Disney+.
Amazing how boomers and those even older than them generally still show such disdain for the animated medium. I hope we'll see quality adult cartoons getting released that are not sitcoms.
@@miserirken you see that's the problem would adult animated series in America because they're mostly comedies and they rely too much on swear words, sex, and violence
@@animezilla4486 Primal is a breath of fresh air.
The most baffling thing for me in this show is that they gave Santa a legit reason to pass over candy. However the inner cynic in me realize that they didn't intend for it to be seen as legit.
The scene they wanted to make was clearly Candy being passed over for a white male who is no where near as skilled as her. However, Santa had already been established as wanting a progressive replacement for PR purposes. So for Santa to do this, he would need a reason. Candy would need to be genuinely bad at one aspect of the job. But at the same time, it had to be an aspect of the job that is very minor. Like firing a baker because he can't make Alfredo pasta.
They treat santa's relationship with children to be a minor part of the job. Never mind that it was the desire to help children that STARTED the whole concept of Santa. Or the fact that Santa is one of the few imaginary things parents say is real, for the sake of their kids happiness. It doesnt matter, Children are a minor role in job that is Santa.
At least, thats what the show says.
Which begs the question of what they think Santa does.
@@eatatjoes6751 Given that this is written by two people who have openly hated on the Christian ideals of Christmas in the past... They don't want Santa to do or represent anything meaningful. Because Santa represents something they abhore.
Santa makes children and their childhoods happy, and Christ himself has said the sinless innocence of a child is something sacred... Something that should never be tarnished.
It makes sense they'd be so angry a holiday about the birth of Christ, and the innocence and salvation it represents.
Mathew 18:6
"If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."
@@soggybreadman4035 they are literally the toxic part of any religion that zealously hates on any religion, even though most religions that aren't cults promote peace and unity (yes, including Judaism). They are what give religion in general a bad name, and I'm not even religious, I'm just looking at the facts
@@ntfoperative9432 there will always be fanatics and pharisees in every belief system.
@@Rinesmyth pretty much all stuff that involved a community have (at least one) extremist
Surprised no one's brought up Moral Oral, an actually good stop motion adult animated series.
I LOVE how when the writers of these trashfires make characters that the audience is "supposed to hate" they end up somehow being the only likeable ones in said show.
I think it's because they think that's bad, when it's not. I'm not sure how to explain it, but they think, or are unlikeable, but don't realize they are and put it in the show
@@markhirsch6301 they have a generally "bad" take, so when they go to make a villain for their take, they create a hero for the larger group of people with a "good" take. They don't understand that they're not in the right, because it never crossed their minds.
It’s not that hard when their idea of a witty character is just a being a sarcastic asshole
South Park perfected the idea of using swear words as punchline in "It hits the fan" a show where they said shit 160 times and wrote it out 40 times. The point of it was that they rare use of the word made it an occasional good punchline but if that is the basis for your comedy you are flawed. Santa Inc did not learn this lesson from 20 years ago
And the "only certain people can say certain words" part was great too.
It’s pathetic, to say the least.
Santa: you can't have a job with children if you hate children
A lot of teachers: 🗿
You're confusing cause and effect
No no, he's got a point.
Teachers are sus, don't trust a teacher with a kid alone.
@@ghoulbuster1 What are you talking about? About 50% of US teachers have kids of their own at home.
Bet that number would go up even more if we counted the kids that aren't theirs.
@@leobriccocola8141 eh, people who like kids a lot, are going to get jobs where they can be around kids more often
also some creeps aren't willing to hurt their own children, they would rather go after other kids
Everyone must remember, animators do what they are asked to do, an awful script it's not their fault. So even if working on such dumpsterfire for experience, this shouldn't be a dark stain on their curriculum because they did their job fine.
I feel bad for the animators, they were probably pressured by Seth Rogan and Silverman...
Yeah no, the animation side of it was fine. It was the WRITERS that decimated any chance they had.
@@quirkhopper404 that's what I said?
@@OcioCamaraMx I know, I was agreeing with you
The animation was the only good thing about this show, You can tell the people doing it actually cared about making a good final product. Sucks that the script they had to work with was awful.
The way to pull off the "trash a hotel room" joke would be to have her say "hell yeah, I can do that! I'll leave my used towels on the bathroom floor, I will take a robe home in my luggage, I will refill the empty minibar with water and put the bottles back!" Then the comedy would come from how tame her concept of trash a hotel room is and hence be humorous and set a baseline so that increasing crudeness could then mark a character development to the negative throughout the series
I've seen so many kid shows that are much more complex and mature than a lot of recent "adult" shows. BTAS and ATLA are two classics that not only stand the test of time, they also treat their audience with respect.
@PKMN37 What does BTAS stand for? I assume ATLA stands for Avatar The Last Airbender?
@@alexflenner3778 Batman: the animated series. Abbreviating everything has become confusing.
@@gothragdoll I know! Just type it out people!
I am pretty sure that both 2003 and 2008 Clone Wars have a lot of maturity, intelligence and respect for its audience
There's also adventure time
I called it. Not even watching clips of this show, I just knew Santa is one of the best characters in this show, simply because everyone is just more unlikeable than him. He also actually drives the plot, has actual depth and personality, and shows that he could be humanized. It's very ironic that this show, including high guardian spice, their best characters are men
Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me one bit that this show was made with a Christmas theme on purpose so that it would get intense backlash from Christians which then the production team could cash in for easy publicity points on Twitter. The whole thing is so cynical and mean spirited that I'm actually willing to believe that.
Also, gotta love how even after one month, this show doesn't even have one single critical review in Rotten Tomatoes at all.
They don't need to; the internet did the criticism for them.
I mean, that’s pretty much what they tried doing with Sausage Party, so it wouldn’t surprise me at all
@@Murr248 lot of athiest still celebrate christmas.. The show itself was an insult to all human beings
I really do despise how the Santa was actually trying really hard to be progressive and gave a totally reasonable excuse as to why he wasn't going to allow candi to take over (that speech was so prefect I was almost shocked by the sudden spike in the writing quality only to be deeply disappointed that it was just rendered meaningless)
I can’t believe nobody mentioned The Shivering Truth or Moral Orel. Those are two adult stop-motion shows that are absolutely amazing.
Man, it's quite telling when people didn't mention those gems, and just went for Robot Chicken...
I know right especially with them being Adult Swim shows as well and from what I thought well known with both getting multiple seasons.
Supermansion is a hidden gem. Give it a trie
I liked moral orel
@@x900fulanito4 ooh agreed supermansion is a good one
Hearing that Seth Rogen is calling detractors of this show "nazis" or something like that is just... Wow.
How unfortunate, I thought he was better than that. Made me lose a lot respect for him.
Wait, Seth ROGEN?
Yes
I didn't wanna watch this show, but I still wanted to know what was wrong with it. Thanks for suffering through this show, merry Christmas!
Cheers, me too. Steve Reviews also did one on it, and he has even more, new reasons why it's terrible garbage. He has some interesting takes on how the show almost had some good ideas and then fucked them the fuck up. I'd recommend for the schadenfreude.
Yea
The worst part is the stop motion looks pretty good just watching the clips with no sounds this looks like it would be a good show those poor animators didn’t deserve this
I have to say, with the topic of swearing comedy, I think if your joke needs to be "the character said the swear!" You could at least have it be a character very against swearing using the worst swear insult they can think of, or have them try to think of a bad swear insult and end up saying what every kindergartner thinks is the worst swear word, because then you can use the comedy of the character trying to think of a swear and failing, or do the whole shock thing where it subverts your expectations.
Robot Chicken nailed this with Emperor Palpatine. He’s all calm and formal and polite, but once his nerves wear down he loses his shit like an angry manager at the office. In fact that’s what made a lot of their Star Wars skits so funny: they apply normal Earthly behaviors and workplace relationships to Star Wars, and it’s some of the funniest shit I’ve ever seen. The Emperor’s Phone Call is easily one of my favorite pieces of comedy ever.
Rule of Thumb: If you want swearing to be shocking, have the nicest, sweetest character do it. Once. When it makes sense for them to do so.
I was thinkin that for one of my characters! Good that we have similar ideas.
In the Guardians of Gahool book series (the one with the owls) the writer established one in-universe swear word as the absolute foulest word someone could say and practically made it the most uptight character's catchphrase.
Granted it was more a character moment against banned books but it's still kinda funny she swore like a sailor after that.
Santa Inc.: Proof that Not Everybody Should be Promoted
Everybody, Santa Inc. is now gone from HBO max. There is literally no way to watch it.
I’m glad someone mentions how awful this is for stop motion animators, thanks for putting this
Coming from a stop-motion fan like most others who are actually aware of the genre (of a medium that is animation), I don’t know what’s worse. Hell and Back, or this, or Glenn Martin DDS by Nickelodeon and the (former) evil Disney CEO Michael Eisner?
You know what else Santa Inc has accomplished? Making Star Wars Christmas special watchable and no longer the worst Christmas themed show ever!
HORRAY!
Yeah.
At least the Bea Arthur segment of that was alright, which is more than can be said of Santa Inc..
God from these clips this show LOOKS amazing. I'm a huge fan of stop motion and the different character designs and Christmas gags are genuinely cool. It feels like the people who wrote and executed the show are much different from the people who actually did the art.
Stop Motion Animation is the animation style I respect the absolute most so to see it being wasted on such a crap show is insulting.
Thank you.
it's not even stop-motion, it's cgi they just mimicked the 1960 stop-motion style.
This.
@@detomnz2024 Proof?
Honestly the thing about Santa wanting to get political brownie points is funny seeing as whole show has that corporate “woke” feel. Like some how everything they do feels like behind the scenes there were writers and producers and all who wanted to make the show seem was woke despite not giving a toss about it and just made it look woke on the most basic of levels and somehow failed in being progressive in every conceivable way. Ironically, the show itself is trying harder to get brownie points than Santa is while caring about what it preaches even less
A great example of "agendas don't write good stories. Good writing writes good stories."
And funnily enough unlike everything else on the show it feels actually somewhat topical. It's not that it's "political", or "negative" (case in point, the #1 rated show is Squid Game, which is about economic failure and extremely fucking dark), it's that THE WRITING IS SHIT. The characters don't need to be likable, they just need to be interesting. They're neither (except for Santa who should be the real protagonist).
EDIT: Also, if the writers didn't make everyone so god damn awful for the sake of a gag in a serious story and actually had some god damn tonal consistency the story might actually be tolerable. It's not that Santa is three dimensional, it's that everyone else is ONE-DIMENSIONAL. Like JS said, there are good stories about discrimination (Everybody Hates Chris, that Rick and Morty Episode), it's just that this one fails because the writing is shit.
@@DarthMcDoomington Pretty much every show that was released in the last 5 years has PC all over it. That still dumps them in the meh bin as there's still an agenda driving the product instead of what should matter, which is a good story.
@@BrunodeSouzaLino ) but only when you don't like it.
If you like it, then suddenly that term ( "PC" ) stops existing.
@@steamboatwill3.367 In this case, there's a bigger underlying problem that goes beyond just subjective opinion.
I still get an aneurism whenever you casually mention your age as the realization you’re younger than me somehow and yet making bomb-ass TH-cam videos hits my brain like a train smashing into a brick wall. I deeply admire that dedication to working with your talent!
Honestly, I feel like half of the things wrong with this show and its characters could have been solved by that one scene where Candy hit the misogynist deer guy. The show illustrates that he deserved it, but it just wasn't a satisfying scene at all. It just made her seem cold and vengeful. Alternatively, she could have dragged him to her car and hauled him to a hospital and left him in the ER, even if begrudgingly, and the next time he appeared he would have changed, becoming humble and repentant, and acting as an advocate for Candy to Santa even though no longer part of the inner circle with his severe injuries. Using that scene as a turning point could have redeemed Candy as a deserving protagonist and made her actually likeable.
And like, it's Christmas. Showing mercy to those who have hurt you, even if they don't deserve it, is kind of one of the most Christmassy things you can do.
You know what? People complained about how boring and sanitized old sitcoms were with their functional families and mundane average crises to go through.
But look at the awful feedback loop that portraying All families as shitty in sitcoms has created.
It honestly feels like people in every single family in the world are actually as bad as that sitcom family that can't function like married with children or Roseanne.
And I'll be one of the first to admit, there's a good chunk of a couple generations that have been messed up by bad parents.
But I'll also be the first one to point to the fact that there are good parents out there.
Hollywood is fed us shit for decades, and we wonder why everybody feels like shit and thinks everything is shit.
Of course, Hollywood also happens to exemplify a lot of the negative stereotypes they decry.
It's almost as if flooding our popular media with dysfunctional, lazy and even downright sociopathic characters has helped normalize it or something.
@@WaspCameraInSpringfieldThe bitter people who grew up with broken families are adults now and they are just projecting it in the shows they create. They refuse to seek help and deal with their problems so they take it out on anyone around them and everyone unfortunate enough to see their garbage creations.
Oh I have definitely (noticed)
ironic from Seth "you are all supremacists" rogan having nothing but stereotypes on his "show" is almost like Hollywood is full of projecting hypocrites
“From the creators of Sausage Party.”
Well…that should have been a sign of the train wreck that was coming.
Obviously
Stop motion has so MUCH potential for really good story telling and comedy. Seeing such an amazing form of animation being used for the same old boring adult schlock makes me upset. Shows and movies like the shivering truth and so many more get swept under the rug, most if not all of stop motion has been turned into it. It’s saddening really.
Someone else mentioned this and I wanna share more of it, its funny how Candy has been trying to emulate more masculine traits throughout the whole show but what didn't get her the job was the lack of the feminine trait of being nurturing towards children. If they somehow spun the story around and actually showed Candy *is* good with kids but due to her trying to be so stereotypically male Santa didn't realize, they really couldve saved the show. Or idk, just agree to working behind the scenes with Devon as the face wouldve been cool too.
Lets be honest , seth rogen and sarah silverman will never do to hannukah what they did in santa inc.
Just imagine they did hannukah inc. , he would be banned by his own side even before showing it 😂
Right? The only one to even come close to doing that is Adam Sandler with Eight Crazy Nights. XD
Oh yeah, that's right. They're not, you know.
@@Mo_Nilla_Co Though, I’d much rather watch Eight Crazy Nights than this sack of crap.
@@MariusWales Same, it's way funnier, even though it does the same shit this show does.
@@MariusWales Eight Crazy Nights actually had an underlying message where holiday spirit can help you heal, and that while people can be cruel and heartless at their worst, don't lose hope. There's always going to be that one person, or better yet, a bunch of people who still believe in kindness and warmth.
Even through all of our disputes and disagreements, it was still marvelous to watch humanity come together and say in unison how shit this "show" was. And I also hate the way it changed the portrayal of the stop motion community as a whole. To any of you stop motion people out there, don't let garbage like this way you down, and keep up your good work
Clearly, everyone went unison, because Santa Inc. is nothing more than a straw breaking the camel's back. It's basically 2021's nail in the coffin.
Hollywood is a hellhole
Arthur Christmas did this sooooooo much better
also why the fuck wasn’t amazon the villain? It was such a perfect setup! Candy could’ve come to terms with the fact that she wasn’t santa and begins helping devin and then the original black santa who defected to amazon could’ve come back as a twist villain. It was so close!
While this Santa is still have a lot of bad qualities, I actually somewhat enjoy the take on Santa. This grounds him more as an actual person, now it’s done trying to slander him. But the moments where he shines make him the only likable character. This Santa isn’t perfect, and it’s a bit of a new take on the big red man. But I can still see why he’s the only likable character
Says a lot that the funniest thing about this show is, not the scene, but the text "taffy is no laffy matter"
you know what’s kinda funny about this show? the show constantly shouts at the top of it’s lungs that it cares about women & all white men are sexist, while at the same time, pretty much all of the female characters are unlikable
Yet another example of "agendas don't make good stories. Good writing makes good stories."
I love how Santa gave her a completely valid reason as to why she couldn't be the next Santa and even gave her a good compromise. But the only thing she responded with was an insult. Then the writers realized that they made HIM look like a good person so they turned him into a twist villain.
"Sarah Silverman was miscast"
No, you're mistaken. Sarah Silverman is perfect for Candy, since she herself is essentially Silverman with the mask off.
She wasn't miscast, she's too well cast, and that's why she's awful.
I know you made this comment a year ago, but I'm glad someone else said it. I don't know why anyone likes Silverman. Not only is she not a good comedian, she went full hog in on this "oppression" nonsense to hide her own incompetence.
Yeah, she's a pretty terrible human being just like Seth.
@@ForeverLaxx I still remember that YT Award show where Norm MacDonald made fun of Sarah for talking in "Commie gobbleygook" and you could see Sarah doing her best to not rage on camera.
What do you mean?
That actually could be a fun idea for a Christmas special. Showing the origins of Santa being awful at manufacturing or running teams of elves but is great with kids understanding them. Showing Saint Nick team up with someone to be the combo that makes Christmas work. But maybe they feel under appreciated and feel Santa takes all the credit so they quit. And so people have to grow as characters to come back together to make Christmas work.
Saint Nicholas pairing up with the former Norse god Odin.
Nicholas is uneasy with having to work with a pagan war god and Odin is miffed about having to partner with a mortal.
Concerning stop motion TV, I find it funny so few remember Shaun the Sheep, which is still ongoing, has two movies and was pretty much BBC's 'mascot' for their Xmas marketing this year. No swearing, minimal toilet humour, hell the characters don't even really talk, it's just fun well animated silent comedy thus a great demonstration of stop motion's abilities. People tend to like it when they remember it, but that's always the hurdle it seems.
I am VERY disappointed that you didn’t mention Wallace and Gromit or Shaun the Sheep. The latter had such a good movie, and it didn’t even need a single line of dialogue to be amazing
Edit: oh. This show was made by the same creators of Sausage Party. No wonder it’s humor is so bad
Not only that, Aardman Animations did a Chrismas movie of their own. The CGI film "Arthur Christmas". It did what "Santa Inc." tried to do - "Vying for the title of Santa" better. Grandpa Santa, Current Santa, and Santa's First Born Son are trying to prove they should be Santa. The second born son Arthur is the one who genuinely understands the spirit of being Santa.
@@EnigmaBarry That was Aardman??
@@Roadent1241 Yes. It was coproduced with Sony Pictures Animations, but Aardman Animations did make it.
@@EnigmaBarry I see. Aardman's worked with a fair few companies then.
Shaun the Sheep also had a feature length Christmas Special this year, and was pretty much the 'mascot' for BBC 1's idents the whole month.
The premise of a woman who wanted to be the big boss of a huge company/enterprise but was denied for obvious reasons was done a hundred times better in Netflix's 'Inside Job' and Reagan is actually likeable as a lead protagonist.
And even when regan thinks the reason she has to co lead with someone is stupid she does eventually understand why and grows on it
Evil can not create anything new, it can only corrupt what is already there. Did you have an innocent and pure stop motion christmas show in your childhood? Then you'd love a show that takes everything pure about it and makes it filthy.
Every. Single. Time.
I can just picture the writing room coming up with the script for the show and realizing that they made Santa the only likable character so they decided to make him a surprise villain at the end. Either that or they are really, really bad at their jobs.
The only recent example of "and then the opposite happens" working is in Spiderverse where one of the spidermen says "there's no way it's that easy" and cut to "it was that easy," and I think that it's because the joke wasn't just "and then the opposite happens," more so the setup was the overly complex heist plan that is common in cartoons that requires way to much to go right, a character from a separate universe where this wouldn't happen pointing out how implausible it is, but then it goes exactly as planned, so it is more "and then the opposite of the opposite happens," which is unique in a way.
This show is why you should NEVER let Twitter be in charge of ANY production.
Oh it's true. It's damn true.
@@SonicSkychaser You wanna know what could've made this special work?
@@supermariof0521 Better writers with well timed jokes or make it into something that everyone can enjoy with the woke bullshit?
@@SonicSkychaser Well that and in terms of premise, what if it was simply about Candy enjoying her job as one of Santa's elves, but is sad because she feels that due to her being Jewish, Hanukkah is often overshowed by Christmas and wishes to give Hanukkah more acknowledgement. Not so much convert people to being Jewish, but simply give the holiday more recognition. Santa encourages her to try and spread Hanukkah cheer, and she sets off to do just that. That's all I got at the moment. Anything you'd like to add to this rewrite?
@@supermariof0521 no. That's actually a good storyline
I’m glad Rankin and Bass aren’t here to witness the mess of Santa Inc.
Rankin died, Bass is alive and yet I dunno what he's up to now.
Raunchy Christmas humor can work. Anti-Christmas humor can work. These fools make me question if they even know what humor is, let alone the rest of human emotion. How do you fuck up so badly that the only character there that has a decent point and isn't a complete waste of carbon besides the token goober is the character that the series is saying you should hate the most? This show is not only insulting, it actively undermines the causes it supposedly supports just by association. Their antics in response to criticism add fuel to the fire as well. Seth Rogen should stick to weed jokes, Sarah Silverman should stick to voicing kids, and the rest of the writers should go back to flipping burgers.
You know it's bad when Eight crazy nights is twice as funny compared to this sh!t
I love that “Adult” animation usually just means lots of cursing and just plain lazy animation and writing.
I absolutely hate this show. The one positive thing I'll say is that the show is a stop-motion animated show and doesn't even look bad most of the time. This, in fairness, is worthy of some praise due to the fact that stop-motion takes a lot of time, even for short projects, let alone a TV show. Everything other than this is just a disaster. Not one likable character exists in the show, the show is super political, and feels like everyone involved with the show outright hates Christmas. All around, it feels like a project without an ounce of passion anywhere.
It feels like Stoopid Buddy realized that the "Childish characters doing adult things" joke got old a while ago; yet instead of coming up with anything better they just started using different childish themes hoping that would count as variety.
By using Christmas themes here, and soon before, the fisher Price toys for crossing Swords, they're hoping that just looking even more kid friendly will make the presence of adult humor more jarring. The Problem is this isn't really changing the joke, they're just hoping giving it a different look will qualify as a different idea.
For once I wanna see a joke where the setup has you convinced that it’s gonna be “they say one thing and then the opposite thing happens” but then the punchline is that everything they said really happened
I never watched this show, but every time it tries to make Santa look like the bad guy, it just makes him look like he's...accepting tips? Am I misreading that, or is accepting tips a villainous trait these days?
Just watch Arthur Christmas instead, it tells the story of Santa choosing a new Santa Clause better
Also Inside job on Netflix tells a better story of a woman in charge and teaming up with a fun loving guy
if ppl havent seen it, Mary and Max is a wonderful stop motion film with a beautiful story that doesnt depend on the novelty of its medium even though it's very well made. I think it's really soothing for the lonely soul. Fair warning; there are some upsetting themes that are explored and I wouldn't watch it without looking into it a little bit if you're in a bad place.
Not just stop motion, but why does almost all of adult animation have to translate into a blank check for overly indulging in the most juvenile, grotesque, and raunchy forms of comedy as possible.
Just cause kids aren’t watching and you can address mature subject matters, that doesn’t mean you don’t have to try to try anymore.
Heck, even when mature subjects are addressed, kids shows and anime still do a better job. Compared to the variety offered by anime and children’s/family animated by shows, it makes me wonder if they’ll even aware of the existence of other genres and tones.
im surprised moral orel wasnt mentioned, its the best stop motion show imo. there wasnt any swears and it was still incredibly funny and dark.
There were swears I think, but they were used very sparingly.
If you want a new Christmas special, that came out this year, actually make you laugh and give you that great feeling of the Christmas spirit with actual likable characters I gladly recommend *Middlemost Post: Parker Saves Christmas*
And how could we forget the fact, that caribou in this universe is stylized as an n*word style swear against reindeer. And candy uses it against a dying Junior, hrmmm 🤔. Bit scuffed, me thinks.
i haven’t seen anyone mention morel orel. it came out in 2005 and its a wonderful stop-motion adult animation. it goes from a comedy to a drama and it’s a fantastic watch. the first season is not the best, as it tries to be funny but as the show shifts in the 2nd and 3rd season, the characters shine through and it hits a very emotional note, especially to people with religious trama. it’s fantastic and all free on youtube. it was a shame it was canceled so soon.
Forgot that morel Orel wasn’t as talked about as frequently as now, 10 months ago.
If you wanna see a stop motion tv show that isn't a Robot Chicken clone, you should check out The Shivering Truth. It's still tries to be an outlandish show in stop motion, but in a way that's wierd and absurd and not raunchy and cursing all the time.
Nice
The fact that Candy wants to be Santa but openly despises children shows that despite Santa's wrongdoings, he picks the children first. Santa is about the kids, how could she ever hope to be remotely close to Santa without the kids?
HBO Max: "We have Infinity Train, The Snyder Cut, and exclusive streaming rights to South Park!"
Disney+: "We don't have Santa Inc."
Yeah... No wonder Disney+ is dominating the streaming wars.
Its hard supporting them sometimes. its a dilemma. they're like king Andrias, but even he would be disgusted.
HBO Max: We now have TDI Revival, Batman Caped Crusader and Unicorn Warrior Enteral.
Disney+ is going to become the #1 streaming service by 2024
South Park is awful.
@@icecreamhero2375 Shut Up Boomer, you never watched the show
Honestly, I think it would have made for a much more interesting story for Candy to basically become so toxic in her beliefs and goals that she basically drives away all of her friends, ultimately resulting in someone she has nothing against getting severely hurt due to her actions. Seeing this, Candy runs away in fear of what she’s done and realizing what she’s become. Cut to her in her room several weeks later. Her mother comes in to try and console her over everything that’s happened, before asking her why she *really* wanted the job. Was it because she thought she could do better, or because she wanted the fame and recognition despite not having the one quality that makes Santa Santa- A genuine connection with children. Then, to Candy’s surprise, Santa shows up. Candy asks why Santa is here after everything she’s done, and Santa tells her ‘Candy, what you did was incredibly selfish, stupid and immature. However, I wouldn’t be worthy of my position as Santa if I couldn’t forgive you and give you a second chance. I meant what I said before: You’re the best person to run the company, but not to be Santa. The position is still available if you want it, because I genuinely believe you’re the best person to run this business. I won’t lie to you: It won’t be easy starting off. You have a *lot* to make right, but I believe you have the fortitude to fix your mistakes and apologize. What do you say?’ Candy pauses, then stands up and holds her hand forward. ‘Mr. Kringle, you’ve got yourself a deal!’
Compared to this, MOTU revaluation, High Guardian Spice, and those NFT cartoons, 2021 seems to have been quite the field day for cartoon rant making.
Nailed it. My advice to anyone trying to cope is to just pretend it's an overly-long whiffed robot chicken skit.
Thats an insult to robot chicken , they did some incredible christmas skits
I’m happy a reviewer knows Everybody Hates Chris and mentions it as a fan of that series.
Its kind of wild that currently Santa Inc is gone. It was removed from HBO Max and im certain theres no way to watch it legally. Show wasnt good at all, but to be nuked from the net? Thats wild.
"In the 17 years I've spent on this earth..." Wait you're telling me you're almost the same age as me and not in your late 20s?????
26:51 Not going to lie, a polar bear wearing sunglasses and using a taser with decorative lights is kind of funny.
There comes a point when adult animation is even more childish than anime or kids cartoons. Modern Family Guy, Paradise PD and Santa Inc. are prime examples of how NOT to make an adult animation.
Imo another show that did this type of everyone sucks was Archer. But they did it right. The jokes clicked and made sense and every new episode dove more into the depth of the characters. From Archer and Lana to Ms. Archer and Ceril. Even Ray and Kreiguer. Everyone was an A hole and crude but for good reasons.
It was golden comedy and had nice references.
This show was just bad like a cash grab made by some middler schooler high on the devil's lettuce.
The Shivering Truth is easily the best stop motion/claymation show of the last 5 years. Each episode is like a 3 am fever dream
Man, competent media critics keep getting younger and younger.
Some media gets worse]
I really do miss the days of Ray Harryhausen, he literally helped innovate what stop motion is. Sure we had Willis O'Brien but Harryhausen refined and perfected the art form and managed to create an entire catalog of life like creatures, just look at the Skeletons in Jason and the Argonauts, Gwangi or the crab and bee from Mysterious Island. I might as well shill 1957's The Black Scorpion, which has some of the best stop motion sequences ever filmed, done by Willis O'Brien but mostly Pete Peterson, who previously worked on 1949's Mighty Joe Young and later 1959's The Giant Behemoth.
Me too and that's why I got all the films Ray Harryhausen did including his early years.
Despite everything you've already stated in the video almost perfectly, the biggest problem with Santa Inc is that if you view it without context of what the creators intended, the show almost comes off as a parody. Seriously, if I was making a spoof to lampoon the current trend of exaggerated Woke media, I probably would've made the exact same decisions... Right down to the Santa Virtue Signaling, to the horrendously one-note stereotyped characters, to the completely detestable protagonist with zero redeemable qualities yet we're supposed to like an sympathize with or else. Heck, even ignoring completely valid and legitimate reasons why this character isn't qualified for the job she wants, she just didn't get the gig because of sexism of course, just screams parody to me. Even the marketing of , if you don't like this show you're a sexist white supremist fits in perfectly. The only difference I would've made is to you know... Actually make the show funny.
This wasn't a parody though, and that's the sad part. It's a common problem with today's media, when political messaging takes priority over quality, and those creators not understanding what the problems people have with that brand of messaging actually are. This was an attempt to mix Seth's brand of high school toilet humor with a woke feminist message that does a much better job spoofing the concept itself than promoting it. Great job Seth, you should really go back to just being a professional pothead.
These shows aren't "adult" shows, they're "We're allowed to swear a lot" shows
Animators and voice actors working on this probably: What is we doing??
“I could have been a doctor!” 😆
@@MariusWales "I could've been an engineer" - Mark Fichbach.
Seth Rogan said on Twitter that he likes getting to live every Jewish boys dream of voicing fucking Santa Claus. His words, not mine.
@@andykishore I live in one of the most religious cities in Israel and there are Christmas trees and decoration pretty much everywhere. "God's house is God's house". I wish he'd just speak for himself non of us who have more than two braincells to rub together could care less about his personal vendetta with a FICTIONAL holiday mascot.
The rest of the voice cast isn't even listed on the BTVA page for it. Let that sink in for a moment.